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2012-07-11 -Short Attention Span Theater-

Retired Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal proposes reinstating the draft

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Posted by Besoeker 2012-07-11 01:03|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Like Obamacare it's a YET ANOTHER way for the old to take from the young.

Greatest Generation to Greatest Self Veneration. The Generation LEECH.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-07-11 07:33|| 2012-07-11 07:33|| Front Page Top

#2 Obama-Jugend ?

OJ for short.

Posted by Besoeker 2012-07-11 07:34|| 2012-07-11 07:34|| Front Page Top

#3 Those who dont want to serve in the army could perform civilian national service for a slightly longer period and equally low pay teaching in low-income areas, cleaning parks, rebuilding crumbling infrastructure, or aiding the elderly.

Yes, I know it's ~~whatever the Left and its acolytes say it is~~ a 'living breathing document' for some. However, it is specific on the point of what is a misnomer called the 'draft'. Let's walk through it.

Article I, Section 8 stipulates -

The Congress shall have power...
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

That power was one of the very first acts of Congress manifested in the Militia Acts of 1792 in which -

That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia,

That is carried on today in Title X USC, para 311.

Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

The 'draft' is actually the activation of the federal militia, ie Selective Service. Anything outside that specific Constitutional authorization runs smack into the 13th Amendment.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Not that the lineage of the entire process is a bit of concern for those seeking the full Socialist State in which one exists to serve the state rather than the state exists to serve the people. Socialism is just another form of slavery.

Posted by Procopius2k 2012-07-11 08:57|| 2012-07-11 08:57|| Front Page Top

#4 Spot on P2K. However and unfortunately, w/the way our courts are going I wouldn't be surprised if some future all-knowing SCOTUS finds a way to divinate even newer meanings to commonly understood words, terms, and phrases -- and thus provide a loop hole in order to get mandatory free-labor from the citizen. Especially if we are to believe the nonsensical statement that a tax is equal to a penalty or that an undocumented worker was just the poor victim of a dog eating his documents.

Posted by Broadhead6 2012-07-11 09:37|| 2012-07-11 09:37|| Front Page Top

#5 Personally speaking the 16th and 13th amendments are contradictory.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-07-11 10:09|| 2012-07-11 10:09|| Front Page Top

#6 Slave labour is free, and you get what you pay for, i.e. nothing.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-07-11 10:10|| 2012-07-11 10:10|| Front Page Top

#7 Well,the General merely pointed out that if/when we go to war, everyone should have skin in the game. That's certainly a good point.

OK as long as this notion is extended to Congressmen/Women as well. There is no reason that a term (House) and part of a term (Senate) couldn't be served in the military. So long as it didn't ruin the military and so long as there was no exemption from combat. No reason the draft couldn't be extended to older able bodied people also.

Posted by JohnQC 2012-07-11 11:36|| 2012-07-11 11:36|| Front Page Top

#8 They already get free labor from all of us but it's called a tax. That's how they get away with it.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-07-11 11:46|| 2012-07-11 11:46|| Front Page Top

#9 Just like ObamaCare.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-07-11 11:48|| 2012-07-11 11:48|| Front Page Top

#10 The idea of a draft or mandetory conscription is all but dead, you can forget about it. President Jimmy Carter killed it when he pardoned the 'draft dodgers' and they all quietly returned as free men. It was a Carter campaign promise and it all happened on January 21st, 1977.

Posted by Besoeker 2012-07-11 11:58|| 2012-07-11 11:58|| Front Page Top

#11 OK as long as this notion is extended to Congressmen/Women as well.

Back in the old Roman Republic, Senators would accompany the legions sent to war. So, if a legion was destroyed, usually a couple of the good old boys would die with it. It had a bit of a 'quality assurance' factor in making sure that the boys you sent out were as well prepared and well led as possible. Of course being human nature, sometimes they did opt for the popular over the competent and paid the price.

Posted by Procopius2k 2012-07-11 12:19|| 2012-07-11 12:19|| Front Page Top

#12 I AM sick and tired of these mental midgets always bringing up the draft. Its a FING STUPID idea if you want a functional force. He is not all that clever after-all. Dumbass

Posted by newc 2012-07-11 14:09|| 2012-07-11 14:09|| Front Page Top

#13 BTW, Obama's fake draft card will not cut it.

Posted by newc 2012-07-11 14:10|| 2012-07-11 14:10|| Front Page Top

#14 Seems like every four years someone talks about the draft, usually to scare voters into voting for Dems (who put the last pro-draft measure into Congress).

I would like citizens to have skin in the game but think the concept of a draft goes against what we believe in as a nation. Better to create a voluntary org that pays dirt but helps pay off student loans in some way.

Posted by rjschwarz 2012-07-11 14:38|| 2012-07-11 14:38|| Front Page Top

#15 P2K, you also get Cannae.

Slave labor is not free. Still have to feed, house, clothe, equip, care for, so forth.

Forcing people to care for someone else is a great way to get piss in the soup.

Posted by swksvolFF 2012-07-11 14:51|| 2012-07-11 14:51|| Front Page Top

#16 this is usually Chollie Rangel territory. Someone has to take up the stained banner now that Chollie almost lost his primary and this will likely be hi slast term . Remember the meme: all the military is made from poor minorities - facts be damned

Posted by Frank G 2012-07-11 15:33|| 2012-07-11 15:33|| Front Page Top

#17 If he wants skin in the game - require every working American regardless of supposed economic class to pay a federal income tax (I'm good w/an across the board flat tax of 10% or less)...oh, and those on welfare lose the right to vote - sorry, but why should one who has no skin in the game be able to vote on the rights, property, and labor of those who do...

Posted by Broadhead6 2012-07-11 15:42|| 2012-07-11 15:42|| Front Page Top

#18 Gone are the days when the government was responsible for the streets, garbage pickup, water, fire, etc.. They told us what that cost, we paid it.

In are the days when the government tells you what to eat, what to where, you wanna see a doctor - come see me first and if none of it is done the way THEY demand it be done, you pay a fine to them.

You are just going to have to push back...

Posted by Grolulet Glelet1967 2012-07-11 15:58|| 2012-07-11 15:58|| Front Page Top

#19 Yes, Gen McChrystal you are right. Western civilians don't have 'skin in the game'.
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Posted by Angash Untervehr7793 2012-07-11 19:09|| 2012-07-11 19:09|| Front Page Top

#20 The Thirteenth Amendment bans involuntary servitude. Being 18 is not a crime.

F**K U, General.

Posted by rammer 2012-07-11 20:34|| 2012-07-11 20:34|| Front Page Top

#21 The USDOD does not foresee fighting any more major wars thru the year 2050, iff not the rest of the 21st century - one of the best indicators of this line of thought is the US allowing women to serve in combat. Neither "post-US",World #1 wannabe Rising China, nor the Islamist-Jihadist Bomb + Global Jihad, is seemingly enuff to get the Fed-DOD to change its mind.

Given the above, IMO the only need now for a Draft is as OWG Jobs Program + mil protect the future North-South Amer Global "Unions", e.g. NAU + [anti-US?] OWG-NWO that no American = Amerikan, of the OWG Mighty USSA versus OWG Weak USRoA, has voted for, been asked to vote on, nor will be asked iff OWG Politicos have their way.

IOW, THE ONLY NEED FOR A DRAFT 2050-2100 IS TO PROTECT AMERIKA FROM AMERICANS.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-07-11 20:42|| 2012-07-11 20:42|| Front Page Top

#22 Meanwhile the current issue of the Navy Times has for it's screaming headlines: " Make E-4 in 5 or Get Booted." makes perfect sense; kick out willing olunteers that have already had massive training $$ invested PLUS experience for a bunch of unknowns. But then again we have the big Unknown-In-Chief in the WH.

Posted by USN, Ret. 2012-07-11 22:39|| 2012-07-11 22:39|| Front Page Top

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