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2005-11-13 Britain

'Recreational Violence' in UK as well as in France

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Posted by lotp 2005-11-13 08:25|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I'm starting to think that maybe the solution to arsonists in these areas is to simply let the fires burn themslves out. And then if the rioters neighborhood burns to the ground tough

Posted by Cheaderhead 2005-11-13 10:21|| 2005-11-13 10:21|| Front Page Top

#2 I think you've got a point, if they don't respec authority, withdraw it, including welfare, Fire Department, Police protection, Lights and Power.

Get the non-rioters out, fence off the area, make pillboxes with cleared fields of fire, and allow surrender at the checkpoints (One way only, out, and to jail)

Bet the "Insurrection" comes to a screeching halt.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 11:00|| 2005-11-13 11:00|| Front Page Top

#3 'It may be tempting, like Nicolas Sarkozy, the French Interior Minister, to dismiss the attackers as "rabble" or "scum". But it does little to dow se the flames. Better, surely, to find out what started the fire in the first place.'

Wrong. First you put out the fire, then, when the ashes have cooled, you do make your inspection of the causes of the conflagration, or perform the post mortem.

Ask any police officer. If they see an armed man thrashing about trying to do others harm, you do not first try to determine what is his underlying psychological angst. You cool his jets, and *then* try to figure out what is going on. Common sense.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-11-13 11:13|| 2005-11-13 11:13|| Front Page Top

#4 Set those who are arrested and convicted of such behaviour into chain ganged clean-up crews, instead of sitting comfortably in prison. And make sure it's in the neighborhood they live in, so their mates can point and laugh. Shame is a powerful motivator, along with, "I worked my tail off to make it nice, don't you dare mess it up!" Then set them to making and planting nice window boxes for the neighborhood. It turns out there is a windowbox effect that's as powerful as the broken window effect. The latter deters crime, and the former sets off a current of pride in a neighborhood, which has powerful follow-on effects.

And then cut off or significantly reduce welfare payments to these able-bodied young men.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-11-13 11:31|| 2005-11-13 11:31|| Front Page Top

#5 #4: Set those who are arrested and convicted of such behaviour into chain ganged clean-up crews, instead of sitting comfortably in prison. And make sure it's in the neighborhood they live in, so their mates can point and laugh.

Secondary benefit, the chain-ganged and laughed at "Youths" will rat on their free-but-guilty friends doing the laughing.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 11:38|| 2005-11-13 11:38|| Front Page Top

#6 'It may be tempting, like Nicolas Sarkozy, the "French Interior Minister, to dismiss the attackers as "rabble" or "scum". But it does little to dowse the flames. Better, surely, to find out what started the fire in the first place."

What started it in the first place is that in their hearts the French believe they deserve it. The "disenfranchisized" youts are like cats with wounded mice; they prey on weakness. Guilt is crippling France.

Posted by jules 2 2005-11-13 12:32|| 2005-11-13 12:32|| Front Page Top

#7 'Recreational Violence' in UK as well as in France

Ain't nuthin' that a little "recreational shooting" couldn't cure.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-11-13 13:08|| 2005-11-13 13:08|| Front Page Top

#8 Cheaderhead---good point. Chiraq wants to throw someone else's money at the problem. Everyone is a victim. I heard the BBC's reporters spouting that meme that I cannot stand it anymore. We must get back to personal responsibility, i.e, the Rantburg Equation:
Actions--->Consequences. Do not rebuild the zones burned. If they want their enclave, give it to them sans water, sewer, electricity, fire service, etc. Put the monkey on the back of these so called Imams. Hey, you wanna be King Sh*t? Here is the chance of a lifetime. All the rights and responsibilities of office. Have a ball.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-11-13 15:25|| 2005-11-13 15:25|| Front Page Top

#9 I've mentioned this before, but here goes again:

When any festivities start, cordon off the area and bring in fire trucks with water cannons. Fill the tankers with a special UV dye and hose down the crowd. Video tape the proceedings to identify any front line instigators.

Use UV wands to sort out all of the tagged suspects as they attempt to exit the cordon and detain or prosecute them according to the video evidence. Britain is famous for being the land of public video cameras. I believe they already use the UV dye method in East Asia. This one should be a no-brainer.

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-13 15:55|| 2005-11-13 15:55|| Front Page Top

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