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2005-08-31 -Short Attention Span Theater-

Pope tells Catholics to ~~get bonking~~ multiply

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Posted by mmurray821 2005-08-31 18:41|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Ima regret that Bee16 is regretting. That is all. End of message.

Oh and stop naming yourself after the KeySquare.

Posted by HalfEmpty is Gawd 2005-08-31 18:54|| 2005-08-31 18:54|| Front Page Top

#2 If you want people to make more babies, you have to design your society and culture to those ends. "Sexual freedom" in its ultimate expression, is nothing more than the "freedom to not reproduce".

You want parent-age men and women to focus on having as many children as they *can*, not on the opportunity cost, or what they would get out of the deal, for having as many children as they *want*.

Parents are really nothing more than life-support systems for their children. A problem arises when they think they are more than this, or want more out of life than this. When they want to hold on to the freedom and lack of responsibility of childhood, themselves, rather than give it up to their own children.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-08-31 19:09|| 2005-08-31 19:09|| Front Page Top

#3 Parents are really nothing more than life-support systems for their children. A problem arises when they think they are more than this, or want more out of life than this. When they want to hold on to the freedom and lack of responsibility of childhood, themselves, rather than give it up to their own children

wow - I can sincerely say that's one of teh most cynical things I've read today. I have three children, got divorced (my immaturity was admittedly the biggest cause)at 30 and epiphany struck when I almost lost my kids to their Mom - which would've been a bad thing for the kids. Since I was 32 (14 yrs ago) I've raised my 3 kids by myself and wouldn't give back a second of the happiness, problems, and tears. Nothing in my selfish younger days gave the sense of fulfillment, happiness, and pride in my children as when my first graduated from high school with honors. Have kids, be prepared to sacrifice, it's worth it.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-31 19:19|| 2005-08-31 19:19|| Front Page Top

#4
When I read this, I get the Monty Python song "Every Sperm is Sacred" playing in my head.

Ima serial killer then. :(

Posted by Spamp Clock7285 2005-08-31 19:41|| 2005-08-31 19:41|| Front Page Top

#5 Pope Benedict XVI told Catholics to have more babies

And, in other news, the Pope said more things that every Pope since Peter has said. I know its the end of history, but doesn't Europe have any real news to report?

Posted by Secret Master 2005-08-31 19:48|| 2005-08-31 19:48|| Front Page Top

#6 Frank G: You said what I wrote was cynical, then you basically reiterated what I said. You stated what a problem it was for your children when you were immature, and how good it was to take the responsibility for raising your children.

The flip side to this are adults who *refuse* to give up their immaturity for the responsibility of raising children. You will be the first to admit that kids are a LOT of responsibility, just naturally. But government, society and culture keeps intervening, and adding *additional* responsibilities to parenthood, turning a difficult task into a daunting task. So for many people, it is just easier to not have children in the first place.

To put this into perspective, think about what your children *really* needed, versus what you gave them in addition to their needs. Oftentimes, what you were *pressured* to give them, in addition to their needs. This put a strain on you personally, financially, and emotionally, trying to keep up with expectations of how you were "supposed" to raise your children. All parents go through this, adding stress to an already stressful endeavor.

QED, the way you get people to have more children is to make it less stressful, to have fewer extra responsibilities laid at the feet of prospective parents, to help them have *more* resources for raising more children, and to encourage them to use those extra resources for more children, rather than for their own gratification.

In a society that wants more children, society cannot provide less to parents, or demand more from them. It cannot demand that both parents work to support their family and expect them to also raise their children full time. As I said before, "they are life support systems for their children". That is a job as demanding as anything else they could do in society.

What else should such a society do? Restrict birth control and abortion, place emphasis on social services for children, instead of the old, build housing designed for young parents and young singles that encourages social interaction, financially reward parents with tax relief and cash bonuses for their children, and also instill a code of sexual inhibition while providing many opportunities to violate that code. And absolutely no social sanction against pregnancy in any form.

In an ideal social setting to encourage children, any woman otherwise incapable of self-supporting employment, should be able to prosper solely by having children. Teenagers should be able to get married and have children without disruption to their schooling or employment. Even interest rates for debt to parents should be significantly lower.

Basically, giving every incentive to reproduce and raise children. Included in this is a social emphasis in caring for children. That parents should be parents first and foremost, that maturity is respected, and people do not try to cling to youth and irresponsibility.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-08-31 20:23|| 2005-08-31 20:23|| Front Page Top

#7 societal codes and imperatives.... you missed the point.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-31 20:44|| 2005-08-31 20:44|| Front Page Top

#8 Frank G: You want to drop the other shoe? Which point? The Pope wants Catholics to have more babies "for the good of society". My point is that society must be good to parents *first*, if they want them to procreate. Societies that discourage having children through numerous policies have no right to complain when there are fewer children.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-08-31 22:59|| 2005-08-31 22:59|| Front Page Top

#9 Societies that discourage having children through numerous policies have no right to complain when there are fewer children.

true, but If that were all it took to stop having children, there would be a lot less history and generations. Reproductive urge is not subservient to tax codes or leave rules at work, or that person should not reproduce at all.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-31 23:25|| 2005-08-31 23:25|| Front Page Top

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