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2006-04-01 Home Front: WoT
How al-Qaeda and the FBI viewed the lead-up to 9/11
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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-04-01 00:29|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 But why did al-Qaeda carry out the 9-11 attacks? Their cause was: polarization of Muslims and Westerners, in context of the West's engorgement on multi-cultural poison. Islamofascists are strong everywhere, including in your town.
Posted by Listen to Dogs 2006-04-01 01:52||   2006-04-01 01:52|| Front Page Top

#2 Why did al Qaeda attack? Polarization? Engorgement on multi-cultural poison? In your town?

Such original brilliance.

Welcome back, Man Bites Dog.

Yes, I finally remembered where I'd heard that point of view before. I'd ask how your therapy's coming along, but your posts tell the story.

The FBI is an organization which, other than perhaps forensics - and that is not a given anymore, time has passed by. A bureaucratic dinosaur totally immersed in PCism, decades behind other agencies in every relevant respect, and ultimately a dangerous legacy as it sucks up resources and exists mainly to self-propagate.

Any organization which uses unconventional means for communications and finance can leave the FBI tied up in knots at square one. DIA and NSA, however, are another matter entirely. I'll leave the state of the CIA to OS.
Posted by Thravins Snaving9886 2006-04-01 02:27||   2006-04-01 02:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Welcome back, Man Bites Dog.

I thought I heard a familiar howl.
Posted by 6 2006-04-01 06:35||   2006-04-01 06:35|| Front Page Top

#4 woofs
Posted by Mamood al Arf 2006-04-01 06:57||   2006-04-01 06:57|| Front Page Top

#5 TS9886 .com :

Seafarious gave notice that desperate ad hominem attacks are not welcome here, presumedly because said attacks are all noise and no substance. Yahoo has all sorts of forums that I avoid because they vent spin-envenomed control freaks. I don't want to be banned like you were, so I am going to obey the rules and keep posting timely articles on subjects that interest open-minded Rantburgers.

As for substance, 2 days ago Condi admitted that "tactical" errors were made in the counter-terror war but defended the "strategic" plan. Maybe she was hinting that al-Qaeda's successful polarization scheme could have been better countered. To me that is an open-minded and flexible approach, and I support her.

.com:
Try to be nicer and people will like you.

Seafarious, et al:
This might be sinktrap material but .com's unmanaged rage and lack of substantive posting, will probably have to be addressed pro-actively at some time. I am sorry if you find that now is not the right time, and chose to sinktrap this. Let's fight terror, and not terror fighters.


Posted by Listen to Dogs 2006-04-01 09:33||   2006-04-01 09:33|| Front Page Top

#6 Listen to Dogs, dear, .com does not choose to be patient or tactful, but he has never visited Rantburg anonymously. I assume that the reason we haven't seen much of him lately has to do with a lovely -- and likely not at all sweet -- thing keeping him busy in the wilds of Las Vegas, where he's lived since moving back from Saudi Arabia not all that long ago. I realize you and he are not fond of one another, but the moderators and the old timers like him, so you are not going to win that one. And remember, we who come here are quite clear who the bad guys are, and don't need to be pursuaded. Truly! ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-01 10:56||   2006-04-01 10:56|| Front Page Top

#7 Islamofascists are strong everywhere, including in your town.

Look under your bed lately?
Posted by Fordesque 2006-04-01 11:10||   2006-04-01 11:10|| Front Page Top

#8 trailing wife:
Whiny obsession and all trump Bridge-play can indicate only 1 presence. He was banned until yesterday according to Seafarious, and he signalled the second coming by regurgitating outdated Hannrity stock. With all the material available to Rantburgers, it should be obvious that the White House is sharpening pre-emption, so it is not wise to stay angrily rooted in the 2002 worldview like the Maglite wielding security guard.

I sent this in for posting this morning. Culture-War material:
http://www.chicagodefender.com/page/local.cfm?ArticleID=4635

Posted by Listen to Dogs 2006-04-01 12:00||   2006-04-01 12:00|| Front Page Top

#9 I'll take .com (who wasn't banned btw - Fred said as much yesterday..pay attention to something fergawdsake)
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-04-01 13:00||   2006-04-01 13:00|| Front Page Top

#10 It's that bastard Shipman what should stay banned. He's stone cold crazy. He speaks to the Muffler Men and they listen and nod in giant agreement.
Posted by 6 2006-04-01 13:10||   2006-04-01 13:10|| Front Page Top

#11 it's almost as if you know him, T
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-04-01 13:22||   2006-04-01 13:22|| Front Page Top

#12 FG:
.angry has been quiet and he was taken off the banned list yesterday. I saw it somewhere. BTW another "grand mosque" goes up. Coming to your town.
http://islam-online.net/English/News/2006-04/01/article04.shtml
Posted by Listen to Dogs 2006-04-01 13:34||   2006-04-01 13:34|| Front Page Top

#13 So this is just Man Bits Dongs in another skin?

Ban his ass.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2006-04-01 14:26|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-04-01 14:26|| Front Page Top

#14 Moderators:
Robert Crawford broke both the intemperance and the moonbat-speculation rules.
Posted by Listen to Dogs 2006-04-01 15:08||   2006-04-01 15:08|| Front Page Top

#15 .com was not intentionally banned - there was a technical glitch.

LtD, a friendly suggestion from a moderator. .com has earned his place here. You haven't, to the same degree yet.

Word to the wise.
Posted by lotp 2006-04-01 16:04||   2006-04-01 16:04|| Front Page Top

#16 whining is unattractive. LOTP answered before I could, but I echo her comments
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-04-01 16:08||   2006-04-01 16:08|| Front Page Top

#17 I had to go back to the beginning, when I first started visiting. MBD was one of the premier TROLLS infesting Rantburg - fairly hard to forget. Multiple agendas is (still) the game. Bush hatred, Muslim hatred, VDH hatred, LOL. Above all, nothing negative happens in the WoT World that isn't Bush's personal fault. Reading recent posts it's there, but generally more circumspect than in the glory daze. Back then, the comments were deleted, but I and many others got to see them before they were. This time, MBD has survived because it has been careful.

Here, refresh your memories. A number after the link indicates the number of its TROLLED comments on that particular article.

04/02/04
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?HC=Main&ID=29578 (1)

04/03/04...
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=29636&D=2004-04-03&HC=1 (2)
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=29624&D=2004-04-03&HC=1 (2)
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=29627&D=2004-04-03&HC=2 (2)

04/06/04
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?HC=Main&D=2004-04-06&ID=29859 (1)

04/14/04
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=30584

04/19/04
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?HC=Main&D=2004-04-19&ID=30893
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=30896

04/30/04
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?HC=Main&D=2004-04-30&ID=31891

05/01/04
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=31952&D=2004-05-01&HC=1 (poster/2)
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=31939&D=2004-05-01&HC=1 (2)
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=31921&D=2004-05-01&HC=1 (2)
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=31959&D=2004-05-01&HC=2 (4)

05/03/04
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=32152&D=2004-05-03&HC=1 (2)

05/09/04
http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=32528 (2)

And so on. Listen to Dogs / Man Bites Dog = BDS-infected Flea Bitten TROLL. Sick puppy. New and Improved with Stealthy BDS, LOL.

The obsession with .com is icing. :)
Posted by Thravins Snaving9886 2006-04-01 16:38||   2006-04-01 16:38|| Front Page Top

#18 We agree, No. 6. Shipman must be banned, and in all of his nefarious guises. And it's still the wobbly white sphere for you!
Posted by No. 2 2006-04-01 16:51||   2006-04-01 16:51|| Front Page Top

#19 When I want your opinion, I'll ask for it, No. 2. Remember, you're No. 2 for a reason
Posted by No. 1">No. 1  2006-04-01 18:17||   2006-04-01 18:17|| Front Page Top

#20 lotp:
Forums tend to attract obsessive-compulsives. Trust me: they are always in attack mode and if Moderators muss their sandboxes, you become their target. Dollars for dimes says that they come here in both friendly and hostile guises, and work toward pathological equilibrium on both levels. I have a good rapport with those who come here only for info, and I will treat subjective posts like wallpaper. The WOT is about to change. Rantburgers should be better able to adapt.
Posted by Listen to Dogs 2006-04-01 18:29||   2006-04-01 18:29|| Front Page Top

#21 I am Number 2.

Who is Number 1?

You are Number 6?

I'm a man, not a number!!! Arrgh!!!

I always liked it when a new Number 2 would come on board because the old one screwed up!
Posted by 11A5S 2006-04-01 18:31||   2006-04-01 18:31|| Front Page Top

#22 Son of Sam listened to dogs, and look at where that got him!
Posted by 11A5S 2006-04-01 18:32||   2006-04-01 18:32|| Front Page Top

#23 I coulda skipped seventh grade if I'd known I'd have to read this kind of thing when I grew up.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-01 18:39||   2006-04-01 18:39|| Front Page Top

#24 ironic, huh, N Spemble? But I repeat myself :-)
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-04-01 18:45||   2006-04-01 18:45|| Front Page Top

#25 LtD, I've been around the Internet since before it WAS the internet, ie since the ARPANET days when people in British Columbia, like you, were not online.

Don't presume to teach your elders about online culture. ;-)
Posted by lotp 2006-04-01 19:26||   2006-04-01 19:26|| Front Page Top

#26 Wait...Mr. Shipman is speaking with the MUFFLER men? Uh...I thought that was MUFFIN Man...(sadly trudges off to kitchen)
Posted by Quana">Quana  2006-04-01 19:33||   2006-04-01 19:33|| Front Page Top

#27 Ima lerned to love the weather ballons.
Posted by 6 2006-04-01 19:35||   2006-04-01 19:35|| Front Page Top

#28 :> Q.
Posted by 6 2006-04-01 19:37||   2006-04-01 19:37|| Front Page Top

#29 Just 2 days ago (comment #20) MBD reached its pathological equilibrium.

Every US President has forsworn the first-strike use of nuclear weapons - for 60 years. Painting this as another of Carter's legacies, which are already numerous and odious, is prejudicial logical fallacy, such fallacies are something at which MBD excels. Much of it is cut and pasted from other sources, I'm sure. You can tell when it decides to add original thoughts... I've noticed the oddness in some of your constructs - and you've obliged with another:

"Rantburgers should be better able to adapt."

Perhaps what's said in BC should stay in BC. Don't need you here, that's a certainty.

Once upon a time, as the links I gave above indicate rather clearly, Fred knew what to do with MBD - and did it repeatedly - that was only about a month's timespan. That a real nuke 'em first post didn't raise but one eyebrow must (please) be because it came late... I hope.
Posted by Thravins Snaving9886 2006-04-01 19:39||   2006-04-01 19:39|| Front Page Top

#30 For the record...yesterday I sinktrapped LtD's off-topic, personally insulting sneak attack on another poster. I sinktrapped the reply to LtD's comment to prevent the thread from devolving into a food fight. I then poop-listed whichever smartypants changed its name and posted to stir the pot. I don't like calling out individual posters, but LtD, you're on the list. Keep your commenting focused on the War on Terror, and not on the other RB participants.

Thank you.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-04-01 19:43||   2006-04-01 19:43|| Front Page Top

#31 Guess you'd better whack me, then, Seafarious. I object to this sick fuck's posts going unchallenged.

Ah, well, it doesn't matter. The moderators redact clearly innocent comments on lame grounds and skip right over insane bombs. It used to be exciting, wild, fun, interesting; you could just lurk and enjoy the hard edged banter and the heavenly snarking. Lucky, TGA, AC, and others would leaven the mix with laughter, facts, and insight. Terribly missed, those are gone, now. I'd guess it's lonely on the ramparts for the stalwarts remaining, stalked by the sinktrap.

Pass the cucumber sandwiches, please. Mon Dieu! Sans croûtes, naturellement! Barbares! Ah, et passent les nukes, svp.
Posted by Thravins Snaving9886 2006-04-01 19:51||   2006-04-01 19:51|| Front Page Top

#32 The List!
Posted by 6 2006-04-01 19:52||   2006-04-01 19:52|| Front Page Top

#33 
#31 Thravins Snaving9886

that was class..pure, thx!
Posted by RD 2006-04-01 20:27||   2006-04-01 20:27|| Front Page Top

#34 Seafarious gave notice that desperate ad hominem attacks are not welcome here, presumedly because said attacks are all noise and no substance.

Pot -> Kettle -> Black

I have a good rapport with those who come here only for info, and I will treat subjective posts like wallpaper.

Riiiiiiight. Here's a hint kiddo. .com outclasses you before the devil can get his shoes on. If you're wondering why he's not here, I'd wager it's because he probably refuses to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

PS: Ditto what RD said.

Posted by Zenster 2006-04-01 21:23||   2006-04-01 21:23|| Front Page Top

#35 Seafarious:

Respectfully, as I said, I am tactfully ignoring you know who no matter what name he goes under. OCD is a problem. Howie Mandel gets an anxiety attack when someone asks to shake his hand. I was stating a fact when I said that OCD types - at least 3 - are here. Lotp and yourself will probably have cause to agree with me at some time, if you don't already. I have apologized for breaking the rules. OCD control types could not.
Posted by Listen to Dogs 2006-04-01 21:30||   2006-04-01 21:30|| Front Page Top

#36 give it a rest
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-04-01 21:31||   2006-04-01 21:31|| Front Page Top

#37 He can't, Frank -- OCD type.
Posted by Darrell 2006-04-01 21:41||   2006-04-01 21:41|| Front Page Top

#38 He can't, Frank -- OCD type.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Who says that the "heavenly snarking" is all gone?
Posted by Zenster 2006-04-01 21:45||   2006-04-01 21:45|| Front Page Top

#39 :-)~ Ok - you actually almost got me to spray the monitor, dammit
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-04-01 22:12||   2006-04-01 22:12|| Front Page Top

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