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2006-10-21 Olde Tyme Religion

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-21 06:51|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Steyn presents us with quite a challenge. I think we can handle it - but the real test actually begins here at home, with those who don't care what agent brings us down, just as long as America falls.

Posted by .com 2006-10-21 07:31|| 2006-10-21 07:31|| Front Page Top

#2 Say what?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-21 08:18|| 2006-10-21 08:18|| Front Page Top

#3 Are you talking to me, Spemble?

If so, cut the cryptic and spit out.

If not, then what Say what"?

Posted by .com 2006-10-21 08:47|| 2006-10-21 08:47|| Front Page Top

#4 Too early in the morning. I mis-read your last sentence as advocating America falling. Sorry.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-21 08:56|| 2006-10-21 08:56|| Front Page Top

#5 My copy of America Alone arrived the other day, and it's a damn good read; it ought to be part of the Core Curriculum here at Rantburg U.

Europe's problem is spelled out neatly by our old buddy Mullah Krekar:

"We're the ones who will change you," the Norwegian imam Mullah Krekar told the Oslo newspaper Dagbladet in 2006. "Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children." As he summed it up: "Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours."

It'll prove more powerful than ours, too, if we don't wake the fuck up-- and quick. Multiculturalism is suicide.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-10-21 08:57|| 2006-10-21 08:57|| Front Page Top

#6 NS - Cool beans - sorry if I over-punctuated, lol.

We have some tough domestic chores to handle, methinks, before we can address the "away games" properly - with full malice aforethought, lol. This hands-tied-behind-our-backs shit is getting good people killed. And it can be traced to the domestic asshats. I realize that only a minority here agree with my assessment, at least in terms of what needs to be done and how, but I believe the proof is pretty obvious and hanging onto skewed worldviews, cuz they make us happier or whatever, is insane. Lots of it going around.

Just as "islamofascism" needed to enter the public dialog - and generated the expected response, so do "traitor" and "sedition". Overdue, IMHO, since the lag time for social / cultural changes is so long. To put a finer point on it:

When the MSM is prosecuted and assets are seized for seditious leaks, when the leakers are imprisoned or shot as traitors, when judges who pass down insane squishy decisions against terrorist enablers are removed from the bench and disbarred, when KSM is finally stood against the wall and shot like the dog he is, then we'll know the "dialog" is underway.

As for who we try to help "out there", and who we wave bye-bye to, well - that's a damned tough one.

Posted by .com 2006-10-21 09:09|| 2006-10-21 09:09|| Front Page Top

#7 "We have some tough domestic chores to handle, methinks, before we can address the "away games" properly..."

Anymore I'm thinking that handling those "domestic chores" is a prerequisite to actually accomplishing anything in this war to defend ourselves against Islam: until we do, we're just spinning our wheels, wasting time, money and lives.

I'm baffled and infuriated by the willingness of our political leadership to meekly accept the constraints imposed by the Left-- multiculturalism, cultural relativism, political correctness, and identity politics-- instead of actively working to remove those constraints. By force, if necessary.

Because until we do, the trajectory we're on does NOT lead to victory.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-10-21 09:43|| 2006-10-21 09:43|| Front Page Top

#8 We need to immediately ban Muslims from our societies. Once in , they are completely destructive. Of course their breeding cows will out populate us. While existing on Western dole ,yet. Stupidity is our problem. Lack of attention is our problem. Lack of will is our problem. We have to act now, before the population crisis arrives.

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-21 13:31|| 2006-10-21 13:31|| Front Page Top

#9 Lack of will is our problem

Yup.

Posted by lotp 2006-10-21 13:35|| 2006-10-21 13:35|| Front Page Top

#10 Steyn would be right if the status quo is projected into the future. I think we will come to our senses and at long last deal with the global cancer of jihadism. We are fighting something larger that personal terrorism.

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-10-21 13:52|| 2006-10-21 13:52|| Front Page Top

#11 A sobering read..

Posted by J.D. Lux 2006-10-21 14:28|| 2006-10-21 14:28|| Front Page Top

#12 it is true that islam is united in purpose and we are a house divided. But in the end, Islam can't win. Islam has nothing to its credit. No industry, no education, nothing but oil. Were it not for the oil and the funding that comes with it the only countries that had any measure of success were those that embraced some forms of secular governments. The tyrants were/are all funded by oil.

Will we have bloodshed? Yes. Can they get control of some countries in Europe? Perhaps. At some point, the tide of public opinion will turn. PC will go out the window. And when the fighting really starts - they may be ruthless but they are not effective. They are in trouble when our methods of ruthlessness begin to match their own.

Posted by Hupuger Angiter7152 2006-10-21 14:57|| 2006-10-21 14:57|| Front Page Top

#13 Actually, the Muslims better have most European countries in hand when the true fighting begins : remember, the Europeans have proven themselves masters of industrial scale slaughter when it served their purposes. If the Muslims do not have most of Europe under their heel when the gloves come off, then they will die in droves as the Europeans go from country to country looking for the "other" in that outbreak of Muslim-induced tribal warfare.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2006-10-21 16:42|| 2006-10-21 16:42|| Front Page Top

#14 it is true that islam is united in purpose and we are a house divided. But in the end, Islam can't win. Islam has nothing to its credit. No industry, no education, nothing but oil.

Agree that Islam has nothing to its credit, but disagree that they can't win. Look at the the fall of the Roman Empire. The Goths and the Vandals pretty well put paid to the Western Empire by their simple lawlessness - proof that nothing can replace something. I hope that we will come to our senses and develop the will to expell and defeat the barbarians before they pass their tipping point.

Posted by SR-71 2006-10-21 17:43|| 2006-10-21 17:43|| Front Page Top

#15 Rome had pretty well hollowed itself out by the time the Goths and the Vandals came along, at least the Western Empire -- tax revenues down, the independent farmers become slaves or dole-receiving city slum dwellers, the aristocratic families feuding amongst themselves and stealing from the public purse, the vaunted Roman Army legions partially manned, and that mostly by borderland barbarians. Just as the Eastern Empire was ready to topple when the Muslim hordes came a-conquering. Europe may well have reached that point, but despite the best efforts of American's Progressives, we are most certainly not anywhere near that point in the U.S.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-21 19:57|| 2006-10-21 19:57|| Front Page Top

#16 there was no sense on the Continent that our Big Idea had beaten their Big Idea.

That is because Europe has yet to push socialism under the wheels and embrace capitalism, which is the Big Idea that beat communism. Right down to supplying Europe with much of the military might needed to fend off the Soviets while America worked hard to bankrupt the communist regime.

With the best will in the world, it's hard to credit the citizens of France or Italy as having made any serious contribution to the defeat of Communism. Au contraire, millions of them voted for it, year in, year out.

Case closed.

By "demographic," I mean the Muslim world's high birth rate, which by mid-century will give tiny Yemen a higher population than vast empty Russia.

One word: Jawdropping.

By "geopolitical," I mean that, if you think the United Nations and other international organizations are antipathetic to America now, wait a few years and see what kind of support you get from a semi-Islamified Europe.

This notion had better sink into our politicians minds damn quick. It is the formula for unilateralism that America will need to follow if it wants to survive.

As more and more of the evidence piles up, it seems to me that we will end up using nuclear weapons to achieve bulk sterilization of the Middle East. Islam's agenda is unrelenting and it has no compunctions about destroying the most treasured achievements of any other culture so long as its own continues to advance.

It is time to quite fooling ourselves about there ever being a chance of coexisting with Muslims. They must all be deported and Islam banned from America, immediately. Anything less is tantamount to national suicide.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-21 21:18|| 2006-10-21 21:18|| Front Page Top

#17 Zen, you are ahead of time. The notion you present is predictable, but the problem is that there is not too many Zens out there at the present time.

So, the result will be that we would win, but after a long slog and we'll have to pay a heavy price.

On the positive side of the ballance sheet, the reaon why there are no muslims in Star Trek would be apparent. ;-)

Posted by twobyfour 2006-10-21 21:34|| 2006-10-21 21:34|| Front Page Top

#18 Agree TW, but Ward-Perkins suggests that the Vandals caused the fall of taxes by simple lawlessness. Then capped the process by destroying the rich provinces in N Africa. The Romans were not able to be strong everywhere, and they were at first unable, and later unwilling to bring the barbarians to decisive, pitched battle.

Seems analogous to the situation in Europe now, and our reluctance to put a serious hurt on the Jihadists and their fellow travellers, especially in Iraq.

Posted by SR-71 2006-10-21 23:33|| 2006-10-21 23:33|| Front Page Top

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