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2006-10-28 Down Under

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Posted by Fred 2006-10-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Who cares whether he's accepted by the Muzzies or whether he cares what they think. The issue is his behavior in Australia and it is up to the Ozzy Govt to decide if he's worthy to stay in their country. The citizenship of any imigrant can be revoked for cause. If he's a bad apple - then flush his ass. Sound like many Muzzies will not miss him and are getting the message - there might be a "come to Jesus" moment in here.

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 00:29|| 2006-10-28 00:29|| Front Page Top

#2 The Australian Muslims are missing a golden opportunity to impress everyone involved by just capping this pathetic shit's sorry ass and getting on with it. I doubt even an all-Muslim jury would convict.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-28 04:09|| 2006-10-28 04:09|| Front Page Top

#3 But Toufic Zreika, an administrator of Australia's largest mosque in Sydney where the Egyptian-born cleric gave his sermon last month, said dismissing al-Hilali could also divide Muslims.

Get rid of this guy, too.

Both of them know what was said was wrong, but they just want to hold onto power. As usual.

Mentioning Bush is just a time-honored diversion for terrorists.

Al-Hilali's pennance of not preaching for three months sounds like a vacation to me.

What hard work for muslims? Sounds like he's working hard at chipping away at moderate values to me.

Send them both back to Egypt in a leaky boat.

Posted by gorb 2006-10-28 04:57|| 2006-10-28 04:57|| Front Page Top

#4 Is that the Big Dipper on his cheek?

Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-28 08:56|| 2006-10-28 08:56|| Front Page Top

#5 be nice if they were laser dots

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-10-28 09:20|| 2006-10-28 09:20|| Front Page Top

#6 "The problem is we risk dividing the community further and that's my main aim, to keep this community together," Zreika, president of the Lakemba Mosque Association, told Ten Network television news.

Dividing your community further is exactly what's needed. Weed out and exterminate these vermin and their followers.

Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-10-28 09:53|| 2006-10-28 09:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Behold the force of the Modern Moderate Muzzie Man. Head Imam in Oz forced to go to Mecca, take 3 month vacation. Fierce bastards these moderate muzzie men.

Posted by Shipman 2006-10-28 12:45|| 2006-10-28 12:45|| Front Page Top

#8 Ummmm .... not to throw cold water on a good rant, but this son of a bitch has NEVER been called moderate, to my knowledge. At the time he could have been deported, were it not for the left in Australia, I recall him being fondly called a "firebrand" by the left.

But if I've missed others calling him moderate, please let me know. I do try to track those who claim to be but aren't.

Posted by lotp 2006-10-28 12:54|| 2006-10-28 12:54|| Front Page Top

#9 Miss this Zenster post?

Seems he found some references you might enjoy reading...

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 12:59|| 2006-10-28 12:59|| Front Page Top

#10 Sheikh Taj Din al-Hilali said
If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street . . . and the cats come and eat it, whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?
& he is quite right, ANIMALS have no moral restraints or education, on the otherhand humans do. Unless I am mistaken & Sheikh Taj Din al-Hilali is actually proposing that Muslims are animals without any self control, moral restraints or education, I fail to see the relation he makes between red meat and a lady in a street, be she a prostitute or a typical teenager.

Posted by Burry 2006-10-28 13:58|| 2006-10-28 13:58|| Front Page Top

#11 Thank you, .com. My outrage meter is pegging so hard I can barely type for all the smoke and noise.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-28 14:12|| 2006-10-28 14:12|| Front Page Top

#12 Lol, Zen - I've reached a state of Zen today which has, thus far, allowed me to laugh and play, and yet hasn't hampered my ability to perform PM on my 1911 A1, a legacy of my Grandfather's tour in WW-I, lol.

Peace... Oooooooooooohms to ~~High Voltage~~ Sparky, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 14:17|| 2006-10-28 14:17|| Front Page Top

#13 Well fooey. He ain't a modern moderate muzzie after all. I stand corrected. Cut me some slack, this MM sighting isn't easy. I'm off to the upper Chotchawhatchee to seek out an Ivory Billed Woodpecker, I loves a challenge.

Posted by Shipman 2006-10-28 14:25|| 2006-10-28 14:25|| Front Page Top

#14 Which is rarer, Ship?

Lol.

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 14:32|| 2006-10-28 14:32|| Front Page Top

#15 Thanks, .com.

spits

Posted by lotp 2006-10-28 14:39|| 2006-10-28 14:39|| Front Page Top

#16 I expect your moderate muzzie is easier to spot because of the prayer call thing they do. An Ivory Bill pretty much minds his/her/dammit own business. Fools for olde pines tho, rarely carry bombs.

Posted by Shipman 2006-10-28 14:42|| 2006-10-28 14:42|| Front Page Top

#17 Lol. I'm elevated to "spits", now. My star doth riseth!

Lol - you'd better explain that or I'll employ the weirding way upon you!

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 14:42|| 2006-10-28 14:42|| Front Page Top

#18 Oh for expletive's sake, .com. The spits is for the Aussie imam.

Sheesh.

Posted by lotp 2006-10-28 14:48|| 2006-10-28 14:48|| Front Page Top

#19 Lol. I am shamed. Heh.

I just worry that we lose sight of the fact that we ALL develop mantras - and so many cling to them long after their truth and utility have been surpassed by reality. Believe it or not, and I'll make no bets which, lol, I do try to evolve my ideas and opinions. Fucking truth, lol, gums up my gears and smears my viewscreen. ;->

Avoiding the ruts is the test.

Apologies and Peace. :-)

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 14:54|| 2006-10-28 14:54|| Front Page Top

#20 Peace and Pr0n Be Upon You, .com. ;-)

Posted by lotp 2006-10-28 14:58|| 2006-10-28 14:58|| Front Page Top

#21 The latter is everywhere, I'm afraid, and is thus diluted to the point of inuring me to the original appeal, lol.

The former is myth, lol.

But both sentiments are much appreciated!

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 15:02|| 2006-10-28 15:02|| Front Page Top

#22 Burry nakes an interesting point re: the Imam's view of his followers.

So we are all agreed that this Imam is no moderate, but has in fact, been portrayed as one ?
I am.
Moderate or Lunatic he is "Australia's top Muslim cleric ".
Really doesn't say much for the moderation of those beneath his toppiness.

Posted by J.D. Lux 2006-10-28 15:05|| 2006-10-28 15:05|| Front Page Top

#23 BTW, before lost to the sands of time, #'s 4 & 5 made me laugh out loud - thx!

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 15:07|| 2006-10-28 15:07|| Front Page Top

#24 I don't know how to post it, but there is a good photo at little green footballs for your photo log.
hilali

Posted by Clkethel OHlkdj 2006-10-28 16:04|| 2006-10-28 16:04|| Front Page Top

#25 Lol - great one, CO!

Posted by .com 2006-10-28 16:16|| 2006-10-28 16:16|| Front Page Top

#26 Thanks for link CO. What I noticed in the other photo, is that Aussie Mooselimb bitches have started a new trend. Instead on the traditional one piece burka bag, they've transitioned to 2 piece costume. Pantaloon lowers with overhanging upper. Better to run in during riots ?

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-28 18:02|| 2006-10-28 18:02|| Front Page Top

#27 "Here in the US when we have a male cat that cant control himself we cut off his balls so he wont be trying to hump everything in sight. Maybe thats what we should do for young Muslim men who cant control themselves."

You wouldn't believe how many variations on this theme I've seen around the blogosphere. I'm sensing a grassroots (well, some kind of root) movement here......

Posted by Orchidectomy4983 2006-10-28 20:11|| 2006-10-28 20:11|| Front Page Top

#28 So we are all agreed that this Imam is no moderate, but has in fact, been portrayed as one ?

Actually, J.D. Lux, this is a complex situation. Al-Hilali enjoyed a rather enduring reputation as a moderate when he first arrived in Australia. While it appears as though this may have been protective coloration, there still remain some serious questions. I'll post excerpts from all the various articles I linked in yesterday's investigation and then address some of those questions.

1988: Sheik Hilali again avoided being expelled from the country in 1988 following comments he made about Jews being the "underlying cause of all wars".

2000: The spiritual head of Lakemba Mosque in Sydney's southwest attracted criticism in 2000 for allegedly blaming "Australian society" for the infamous Sydney gang rapes.

2003: (From MEMRI)
In a speech in March 2003, he likened "Bush Jr." to the son of Genghis Khan, calling him "the most ignorant president to lead the White House." [5] Sheikh Al-Hilali also declared that President Bush, Australian Prime Minister John Howard, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are the "axis of evil." [6]

2004: Although the cleric has formerly claimed that he broke away from the Brotherhood because they were too "extreme" in their teachings, several years ago he allegedly praised suicide bombers and called anyone who died fighting for Islam a "hero".

And in 2004, he gave speeches in Lebanon that seemed to suggest the September 11 attacks on the US weren't so bad.

2004: Sheik Hilaly issued a statement condemning all acts of terrorism.

"We assert on religious authority to any person on the face of this earth who may entertain any notion of Australia as a military target, that such a notion is contrary to the teachings of Islam and the natural laws of human behaviour," Sheik Hilaly said.

"Any destructive behaviour that threatens the security of this country is an act of stupidity, recklessness and madness that is harmful to the Muslims and is at odds with the forgiving nature of religion."

2004: (From MEMRI)
In a February 13, 2004 sermon at the Al-Quds mosque while on a visit to Sidon, Lebanon, the Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, Taj Al-Din Al-Hilali, called for Jihad against Israel, and added: "The war waged by the U.S. and Israel against the Muslims is a cruel war aimed at annihilating the [Islamic] nation."

Date Unknown: (From MEMRI)
In a speech in March 2003, he likened "Bush Jr." to the son of Genghis Khan, calling him "the most ignorant president to lead the White House." [5] Sheikh Al-Hilali also declared that President Bush, Australian Prime Minister John Howard, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are the "axis of evil." [6]

2006: The cleric was once again reaching for a credibility lifeline in July when The Weekend Australian revealed that he had called the Holocaust "a ploy made by the Zionists" and trivialised the number of Jews killed by the Nazis.

Date Unknown: (From MEMRI)
"We are also proud of what Hamas and the Islamic Jihad are both doing in the occupied territories. We support the resistance and support, with all our might, the martyrdom operations carried out by the Palestinian liberation movements, operations that are a legitimate act against the cruel occupation, according to all international norms and conventions.

"Also, whoever carries out a martyrdom [operation] is a pure Shahid and one of the men of Paradise. Moreover, he stands at the head of the Shahids." [9]

What a riot! While trying to search under "Hilali Moderate" I was linked to yesterday's Rantburg article where I posted many of the above links. I cannot find the related articles at this time, but at one point Hilali had condemned certain acts of terrorism (as noted above) and supposedly quit the Muslim Brotherhood because it was "too extreme". Much of this is called into question by al-Hilali's overall conduct.

Finally, we must address the most disturbing notion of all. Al-Hilali is the leader of ALL Muslims in New Zealand and Australia. As can be seen, despite whatever personal convictions he maintains, al-Hilali is widely regarded as a moderate.

One can be sure that some of his claims to moderation are merely window-dressing, taqqiya in its purest form. Much more disturbing is how, despite al-Hilali's immoderate rantings about "uncovered meat", his attempts to shrug off the gang rapes, his veiled threats to Australia and it government, few, if any, amongst the hundreds of thousands of Australian or Kiwi Muslims are taking him to task or attempting to have him ousted from his position as Mufti.

This can only be interpreted as overall approval for what is being said by al-Hilali, regardless of whether it is labeled as moderate or radical. This further exacerbates any decision as to just how moderate other so-called "Moderate Muslims" actually are. Yasser Arafat probably set the gold standard for two-faced taqqiya in his saying one thing in English and wholly another in Arabic.

Al-Hilali has only served to further erode any slight hopes I had regarding moderate Muslims. More and more, it would seem that such a position is strictly for the kuffar's consumption and rarely backed by similar words inside the local mosque.

In closing, this further cements my own perception that Islam must eventually polarize. Just as bin Laden and other radicals have sought to polarize the Muslim and non-Muslim world, so it must be within Islam itself. Much as with how there is no middle ground on terrorism; Either you support or condemn it but cannot be undecided, so it will most likely become with Islam.

Islam must now segregate itself into two houses. Radical Islam with its jihadists and violent psychopaths and Radical Islamic Reformists who must just as aggressively seek out and identify or kill these deceitful and violent Muslims who perpetuate jihad. Again, there must be no middle ground made available. Muslims must be put in a position of choosing to allow terrorism or actively seeking the genuine and authentic reformation of their morally crippled creed.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-28 20:15|| 2006-10-28 20:15|| Front Page Top

#29 Well I'll grant you that he is a nuanced fellow.
And often tailors his speeches fro his audience and seems to have suffered a six week lapse into modernity in early 2004.

And his apology was nicely worded.

I got a big kick out of his assertion that Afghans discovered Australia, which as we all know makes it "Muslim Lands".
Expect the same stories in SW/USA
--"I visited the town of Alice Springs in central Australia, and found there a map [of Alice Springs] under the name Mecca. Alice Springs is surrounded by high black mountains, similar to the mountains of Mecca. Summer there lasts 10 months, and winter only two months. The temperature is above 50 degrees Celsius.

"There are several kinds of dates and palm trees there. We did not believe that dates could grow there. Now that we know the reason, we no longer wonder. We found that our ancestors the Afghans were among the first Muslims, and they settled this area and called it Mecca.

"The strange thing was that when our muezzin [who accompanied Sheikh Al-Hilali on his visit to Alice Springs] stood up to call for prayer, the old people of the town came out, and so did men and youths, and they looked different than the black Aborigines. They were a mixture of Afghan and Aborigine, as a result of marriages of Afghan men and Aborigine women. When the muezzin called 'Allahu Akbar,' they said, 'We have heard this song from our ancestors' When they asked us 'What is this song you are singing?' we told them that this was an announcement of prayer time. When we asked them their names, they answered John, or Steve, but their names ended with Saraj Al-Din, Abdallah, or Muhammad"

Posted by J.D. Lux 2006-10-28 20:35|| 2006-10-28 20:35|| Front Page Top

#30 I've been offline for a while.

Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilaly is my personal most hated.

He is imam of Lakemba Mosque: the epicentre of the cultural problems in Sydney.

Pakistani and Lebanese Muslims gang raped women: epicentre of the attitudes that made it possible: Lakemba Mosque.

Lebs (Lebanese Muslims) frequently attack Aussie women verbally, calling them sluts. Sexually assault them. Leb gangs mug people regularly.

Caused the so-called Cronulla 'race' riots (nothing to do with race at all - only cultural clash between leb gangs and everyone else. Epicentre of their culture: Lakemba mosque.

Five nights of reprisal riots where cars torched, christmas carolers shot at, random citizens beaten savagely. 200 men first gathered at... Lakemba Mosque, then set out in convoy of 50 cars to Maroubra, Brighton Le Sands and smashed cars and shops. Flying the Lebanese flag.

Round them up, take them out bush, shoot them.

Posted by anon1 2006-10-28 22:01|| 2006-10-28 22:01|| Front Page Top

#31 Yup.

Posted by lotp 2006-10-28 22:03|| 2006-10-28 22:03|| Front Page Top

#32 What's his Domain, if I may ask?

Posted by Shaviting Phinens9082 2006-10-28 22:52|| 2006-10-28 22:52|| Front Page Top

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