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Still Think There Are No "Moderate Muslims"?

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Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-12-13 10:51|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Either we predominantly direct our passions against these radicals or Americans will not count us as allies in this consuming struggle.

Here the author is certainly right. If he or any other "moderate Muslims" cannot bring themselves to begin radical reformation of their church they will remain part of the problem and not its solution.

After a while, silence is no longer consent. Silence becomes a lie. Whatever moderate Muslims might exist are so silent as to be inaudible. While it is their privilege to remain so, it is also our privilege to neglect sorting them out of those who finally are deported or interred for seditious acts.

Islam is on an intentionally malign collision course with reality and the West has no obligations beyond making that impact as lethal as possible for all Islam. It is up to Muslims who wish to preserve their faith from history's scrapheap to begin immediate and radical reformation of it.

No other form of rehabilitation will have sufficient outward signs to be detectable. It must be radical reform so that the outside world can be convinced of the sincerity shown. Less vigorous activity will too easily fall into the convenient and absolutely appropriate category of taqqiya. This bed of lies is something that Islam has made for itself and those who wish to save it must somehow overcome that perception of duplicity.

Again, the only convincing display will be that of vigorous and radical reformation which sees the swift and, if needs be, violent removal of those who advocate violent jihad and jihadism in general. Few other measures will be found assuring by a population already weary of constant Islamic atrocities.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-13 14:14|| 2006-12-13 14:14|| Front Page Top

#2 deported or interred = deported or interned

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-13 14:15|| 2006-12-13 14:15|| Front Page Top

#3 Word, Zenster!

Posted by USN, Ret. 2006-12-13 14:26|| 2006-12-13 14:26|| Front Page Top

#4 how exactly is chairing an organization and writing a column in a major paper being silent? What else is this man supposed to DO? Give up his medical practice and run through the streets with a sandwich board on? Run an ad in the NYT? Perhaps he lacks the money.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-12-13 14:56|| 2006-12-13 14:56|| Front Page Top

#5 I don't think it's that no one believes the sentiment is genuine, lh, but that the insident ratio is so low. How many Muslims share his worldview and press it in polite company? How many press it in the mosque, where such principles as mercy and peace should predominate?

Posted by Jules 2006-12-13 16:26|| 2006-12-13 16:26|| Front Page Top

#6 This is not an example of the fabled missing MM. This asshole is just intelligent enough to read the tea leaves. He sees that this has done incredible damage to the Muzzie cause among the American populace. The bag of shit exploded in their faces. He's just srambling to do a CYA for the dumbass ummah.

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-12-13 16:56|| 2006-12-13 16:56|| Front Page Top

#7 As I suspected, the American Islamic Forum for Democracy is a one-man show.

http://aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php

In reality that URL should read "/member.php"

Good Luck to Dr. Jasser though. All he needs to do is convince a few million more muslims to join him.

Posted by Parabellum 2006-12-13 18:46|| 2006-12-13 18:46|| Front Page Top

#8 I don't need to be a conspiracy freak, it's easy to do on this subject. One guy speaking moderate and saying what we want to hear in this country, takes something away from the notion that Islam is basically flawed and / or evil. It's really a Religion of Peace goes the meme, which prevents officials in the government from seeing what it really is. Color me skeptical. This guy may be honest, but it is better to be wary and skeptical then to buy into the RoP Kool-Aid.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2006-12-13 19:20|| 2006-12-13 19:20|| Front Page Top

#9 M. Zuhdi Jasser is a Phoenix physician, a community activist, and a former U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander.

Posted by tipper 2006-12-13 21:01|| 2006-12-13 21:01|| Front Page Top

#10 This is not an example of the fabled missing MM. This asshole is just intelligent enough to read the tea leaves. He sees that this has done incredible damage to the Muzzie cause among the American populace. The bag of shit exploded in their faces. He's just srambling to do a CYA for the dumbass ummah.

Guess what? Despite my personal reservations due to taqqiya and so much else that is deceitful about Islam, I'm more than willing to believe that Dr. Jasser is sincere. However, as pointed out so candidly by Parabellum, "All he needs to do is convince a few million more muslims to join him."

If this was happening a few days after 9-11, I'd be cheering loudly and hoisting this up with every hope. IT'S FIVE YEARS LATER, and if this is all that Islam has to show for half a decade of navel-gazing, then I give it pretty long odds.

Alaska Paul put it pretty well without resorting to the (perfectly entitled) taqqiya excuse:

One guy speaking moderate and saying what we want to hear in this country, takes something away from the notion that Islam is basically flawed and / or evil. It's really a Religion of Peace goes the meme, which prevents officials in the government from seeing what it really is. Color me skeptical. This guy may be honest, but it is better to be wary and skeptical then to buy into the RoP Kool-Aid.

When even America's president is still sipping at the Religion of Peace [spit] Kool-Aid, we're better off and much safer NOT buying into the meme.

I know that it's asking a lot to demand that moderate Muslims start a campaign of radical reform. Unfortunately for Islam, this poisonous doctrine has already taken a lot from me. Even if it is only my hatred of slaughter that has been sacrificed, there is a single bit of humanity that I never thought to lose. Much more is gone besides that; A lasting sense of security, any knowledge that the world my children might inherit could be peaceful and an overriding notion that this war could go on for DECADES.

While moderate Muslims are not obligated to pursue a course of radical reform, neither am I required to be impressed by anything less. I see few, if any, other persuasive measures that moderate Muslims can take that will be sufficient to allay the well-founded concerns that any sane person should have about the infectuous and toxic nature of modern-day Islam.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-13 21:40|| 2006-12-13 21:40|| Front Page Top

#11 Bzzzzzt! Nope. You lose. There are Muslims who do speak out against this jihadi crap, but they aren't news worthy. What draws more viewers? Muslims destroying stuff and killing people, or the Muslims saying stop? It's a moot point. You aren't going to see any Muslims speaking out against extremists in the news, unless they are lesbian and kind of hot.

/Even when it does happen, that's not going to be the big focus.
//Can't blame anyone there though...
///If danger is in your face, you focus on the danger, and not the others trying to fight it.
////Ask anyone who has had a gun pointed at them

Posted by Thoth 2006-12-13 22:03|| 2006-12-13 22:03|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm not sure what the ratio of moderate to immoderate is.

However, many moderate muslims are afraid to speak out against their coreligionists for a very good reason- it leads to being snubbed by the immoderate clique (and maybe physical abuse too). Thus the moderate muslims are themselves victims of Islam.

Posted by mhw 2006-12-13 22:08|| 2006-12-13 22:08|| Front Page Top

#13 We need to find a way to kill the radicals and give these types more of a voice.

If Islam is ever going to be reformed, it needs to clear the top so the bottom can grow in influence.

That means the wahabbist and radical shia madrassas need to have their Imams removed from power, violently if neccesary and of their lives if they try to continue teaching and preaching hatred (unfortunately that will be the only way most of them will go). Then they need to be dismantled, and proper education emplaced.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-12-13 22:29|| 2006-12-13 22:29|| Front Page Top

#14 I'm breaking up here. *sniff*

Absolute Moral Authority Code: Comanche

I've waited for a looong time for someone, anyone, to identify the Saving Grace of Islam. There isn't one. If you say there is, then you do not know Islam in practice... or you're one of them.

Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid. It's fatal if you seek to end my way of life.

Bite me.

Posted by .com 2006-12-13 22:29|| 2006-12-13 22:29|| Front Page Top

#15 Sheesh. No point in going over the thoroughly gone over. Review this thread... Time to re-read The Time Traveler, methinks.

We still disagree? Then it's willful ignorance, nothing more. Lol. Riddle me this: What planet are you from?

Posted by .com 2006-12-13 22:43|| 2006-12-13 22:43|| Front Page Top

#16 ratio of moderate to immoderate

Pretty small judging by a British survey: Many British Muslims Put Islam First

When asked, "Is Britain my country or their country?" only one in four say it is.
Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law.
According to the report, "Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws."
Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state.

"hardcore Islamists" constitute nine percent of the British Muslim population.
A slightly more moderate group is composed of "staunch defenders of Islam." This second group comprises 29 percent of the British Muslim population.
The scary reality is that only three percent of British Muslims "took a consistently pro-freedom of speech line on these questions."

Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed.
Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam."
When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.

Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. This figure is more than twice as high as those who say it was not a conspiracy. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

I believe American elites are afraid to conduct such a survey in the US and the fallout from it.

Posted by ed 2006-12-13 22:51|| 2006-12-13 22:51|| Front Page Top

#17 And Muzzy First and Taqiyya cancel out the margins.

Posted by .com 2006-12-13 22:54|| 2006-12-13 22:54|| Front Page Top

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