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2007-08-14 Olde Tyme Religion

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Posted by ed 2007-08-14 11:21|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 I suspect this DVD will receive far less college and high-school play than Goreski's irrelevant inconvenience.

Posted by OyVey1 2007-08-14 13:17|| 2007-08-14 13:17|| Front Page Top

#2 It is an uncomfortable fact for a tolerant society such as ours to acknowledge that sincere religious belief can pose an imminent danger to a society's physical safety.

Which goes to the root of what I have always maintained about the likelihood of Bushs religiosity interfering with his ability to comprehend howas Davis saysthe jihadists are, to a great extent, acting from genuine, deeply-held religious conviction. His earlier observation about the multicultural myth that all peoples, religions, and civilizations are morally equivalent only serves to cement this notion.

Much like Europe, Americas political leadership has chained itself to Multiculturalisms Politically Correct idea of moral equivalency. This despite clear evidence of American cultures complete superiority that of mostif not allother nations. An ability to witness the massive influx of immigrants from all other countries on earth and yet somehow remain immune to this glaring and inconvenient truth signals such blatantly willful ignorance that it poses a dire threat to our nation.

Hope that a "reformation" of Islam will somehow eliminate its fundamental hostility to the non-Muslim world is wishful thinking.

At last, this important concept is finally hitting the mainstream. Islam has reformed itself. It has reformed itself from a less rigorous creed into the violent and intolerant death cult of today that we see murdering all others with total abandon.

Islam is what it is: a repressive, expansionary, militaristic religious and political system with a mandate from Allah to conquer the globe.

Yo, George! Any of this getting through to you?

The fundamental problem is that the Muslim extremists are not really "extreme" at all -- rather they are the orthodox faithful Violence and intolerance are mainstream in Islam, not distortions of its orthodox traditions as they would be in a religion such as Christianity.

The primary task for Western leaders today is to mobilize their societies to confront the Islamic threat -- it is not to manipulate the Muslim world to develop a fictive "moderate" Islam. The danger of encouraging "moderate" Muslims is that it gives a false signal to Westerners that there can be a long-term modus vivendi between Islam and the West. We must understand that, while there are peaceful Muslims, there is no peaceful Islam.

Spot on!

However well-intended, the Western statesmen who insist on "reaching out" to "moderate" Muslims are objects of contemptuous fun to the jihadists, who move from strength to strength while Western governments spin themselves dizzy to avoid the plain reality that Islam is at war with the world.

A solid slap-in-the-face for all appeasers.

We should encourage genuinely peace-loving Muslims to take a hard, unflinching look at their religion and to draw the necessary conclusion: as have prominent apostates such as Ibn Warraq, Walid Shoebat, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali. They have had the intellectual integrity to acknowledge the violent nature of Islam and to reject it by renouncing Islam in its totality. That sort of courage is a tall order -- apostasy is a capital offence in Islam -- and we in the West should do everything to encourage and protect such acts of conscience.

The only problem is that we cant protect such acts of conscience. Giving political asylum to apostate Muslims would only encourage infiltration by hoards of radicals posing as apostates. This is why I continue to maintain that the practice of taqiyya utterly and PERMANENTLY taints ALL MUSLIMS. Islam cannot even successfully reject taqiyya as there is no possible way to ascertain whether such a renunciation is genuine. Again, this is all because of how taqiyya represents such a fundamental moral and ethical trespass upon civilization at large. This islike it or notwhy Islam is destined for historys scrap heap. Be it in the form of burnt Korans or the tangled, smoking ruins of the entire MME (Muslim Middle East).

While the Left fail to see Islamic imperialism as a threat to the freedoms they ostensibly cherish, the bias of much of the right is to see "religion" as a natural conservative force in the world and therefore resurgent Islam as a natural ally.

This important fact was demonstrated in spades when immediately after the 9-11 atrocity, Bush administration delegates sought an alliance with anti-abortion Islamic constituents within the UN so as to remove all financing for abortion from global womens health programs.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-14 15:25|| 2007-08-14 15:25|| Front Page Top

#3 (a) It's a pseudo-religious ideology that makes robbery and murder into religious obligations.
(b) It's winning*.
*I don't care how many Jihadis US forces kill in Iraq & Afghanistan every day---the one thing a polygamous society has no shortage off is expendable young men. As long as they building new mosques in Dar el Harb, they're winning.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-08-14 21:50|| 2007-08-14 21:50|| Front Page Top

#4 Does this include my neighbor who brought me dinner last Friday? Maybe I'm wrong, but it didn't seem militant to me. Plus, I'm still alive, so they didn't even poison it. Maybe they forgot. I guess that could be. And I know they're pretty strict in their beliefs because if you go into his store at prayer time, you have to wait for him to stop bouncing his head off the floor before you can buy anything from him.

The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure he's pointing a little north of Mecca when he's praying. I haven't checked it, but I would guess he's probably pointing more toward Turkey. I don't have the heart to tell him though, cuz his wife grills a mean vegetable.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-08-14 22:31|| 2007-08-14 22:31|| Front Page Top

#5 Mike N., please do me a favor and ask your Islamic pal about what he thinks of taqiyya. If he's against it, well then, he's an apostate. If he's for it ... I'll let you fill in the blanks.

Let me put it this way, my Iranian friend, Ron, has a really dim view of taqiyya.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-14 23:09|| 2007-08-14 23:09|| Front Page Top

#6 How can you be sure that Ron really has a dim view of it?

After all, its all about hiding the truth.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-08-14 23:22|| 2007-08-14 23:22|| Front Page Top

#7 Good question, Mike n.

Ron operates a local Money Store. His income depends upon monetary interest and other accrual-based forms of income. If he was of dubious character, I doubt he would have hugged me out of pure joy whenmuch to his surpriseI expressed an understanding of taqiyya. In addition, he regaled me with a detailed account of how he and his family managed to escape Khomeinist Iran and buy their way to Europeonly to findthat the European beauracracy was so delimiting that all of them came to America in order to enjoy true financial success.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-14 23:34|| 2007-08-14 23:34|| Front Page Top

#8 Funny how that seems to happen. Ali tried Greece first, but that didn't last long.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-08-14 23:42|| 2007-08-14 23:42|| Front Page Top

#9 PS: Mike N., in no way do I resent your effort to turn any dim assessment I might have of Muslim taqiyya against my own posts here. I respect your loyalty for your friendsMuslim or otherwisehowever, when a Muslim immigrant in U.S. calls on West to deport all Muslims, I have a difficult time arguing with him. Please let me know what you think of Taher's article.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-14 23:45|| 2007-08-14 23:45|| Front Page Top

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