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2007-09-07 Home Front: Politix

Orson Scott Card: Ethnic Cleansing or "Amnesty"

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Posted by Aris Katsaris 2007-09-07 11:09|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 OSC is a great sci fi writer. The questions still remains. Why can't they register and come across legally? Why do Mexicans think they're entitled to break our laws?

Posted by BrerRabbit 2007-09-07 13:02|| 2007-09-07 13:02|| Front Page Top

#2 This is really silly. If right of conquest doesn't exist, then Orson Scott Card really shouldn't be here. And Mexico shouldn't exist either, as a unified state.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-09-07 13:17|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-09-07 13:17|| Front Page Top

#3 This is really silly.

Who posted it?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-09-07 13:22|| 2007-09-07 13:22|| Front Page Top

#4 When Serbians ask why we bombed them for trying to expel native Albanians from Kosovo, when we're doing the exact same thing, we don't bother answering.

Usually Mr. Card thinks more clearly than this. Thanks for giving us the link, Aris, I shall have to write him a pointed letter. And me with two entire shelves of his books, including the pre-Ender's Game short stories. He used to be terribly macabre -- I still shudder when some of those images pass across my mind.

Nobody has so much as hinted that brown-skinned (or fair-skinned, for that matter; I had a Mexican girlfriend with naturally blond hair and blue eyes) Mexicans here legally be expelled. On the contrary, it's the ones here legally who cry the loudest for the illegals to be sent home. In contrast to the Serbs and Kosovars, both of whom are citizens of the country they live in, and legally tenant in their homes and communities when they were expelled.

Similarly, Mr. Card ignores the statistics which show that a significantly disproportionate number of crimes, and particularly horrific crimes, are committed by these illegals.

As for the claim that "they do the work Americans won't", that's downright silly. These are the kinds of jobs that used to be done by the unskilled and semi-skilled workers who now make up the majority of the long-term unemployed, and those high school and college kids who spend their free time volunteering for good works because they can't find part-time paid jobs. How many of our older Rantburgers earned money when they were young by picking in the fields, mowing lawns, cleaning houses? How many were once in the building trades but were forced into other occupations by the tide of illegals? Mr. Card ought to be ashamed of publicly displaying such shoddy thinking.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-09-07 13:47|| 2007-09-07 13:47|| Front Page Top

#5 How many of our older Rantburgers earned money when they were young by picking in the fields, mowing lawns, cleaning houses?

As an undergrad I had a campus job and cleaned houses and baby sat on weekends. Whatever it took to make tuition at that expensive school I really wanted to attend.

Posted by lotp 2007-09-07 15:07|| 2007-09-07 15:07|| Front Page Top

#6 I mowed lawns, weeded gardens, parked cars, made boxes, mopped floors, even dug a basement under a guy's house (that was hard!) You know, all those jobs Americans won't do now. All at minimum wage, give or take a quarter.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-09-07 15:27|| 2007-09-07 15:27|| Front Page Top

#7 He does make a valid point, albeit unintentionally, re "World Opinion".

Posted by gromgoru 2007-09-07 15:35|| 2007-09-07 15:35|| Front Page Top

#8 What a load of hand waving:

The Serbians keep asking: The Kosovars had a terrorist organization; where were the bombings and killings by illegal Mexican immigrants?

I believe that trailing wife already caught this one:

Similarly, Mr. Card ignores the statistics which show that a significantly disproportionate number of crimes, and particularly horrific crimes, are committed by these illegals.

Time for another classic bit of misdirection:

"Why do you think our father went north of the border in the first place?" asks a Mexican teenager, her words translated into English. "There were no jobs. There was not enough to eat. Now he's back, there's still no job, and no more money getting sent from the north. Instead of supporting his family, he's another hungry mouth in a house with no money."

How is it that we are supposed to answer for Mexico's corrupt government. It is their military and political elite that are drinking Mexico's blood. They have done so for centuries and need to die for it.

"America does not exist to be a safety valve for the failures of the Mexican economy."

See the previous comment.

Prices for migrant-picked foods skyrocket, even as surplus crops rot in the fields, unharvested.

Well, then, I suppose that the agricultural market was a false economy. Let me know when it's acceptable to submit a business plan with intentionally understated labor costs.

But it's not just agriculture that suffers. With so many workers stripped out of the American workforce, stores and service providers stay open only by working their employees in double shifts. Everybody's competing for workers in a labor-short market, and wages rise.

Total hysteria.

As the wages rise and rise, management moves all the jobs that can be moved ... to Mexico. After all, it's Mexico that has a sudden glut of six million extra workers, desperate for any kind of job.

Only now all the money those workers earn stays in Mexico. It used to be that at least part of it was spent in the U.S.

Again, total bullshit. Card says, "all the money those workers earn stays in Mexico" as if it would be the same amount of money. If it was, there would be no incentive to off-shore those jobs. There would be far less money being sent to Mexico precisely because the labor costs would be cheaper than here.

Send the illegals back and institute immigration statutes that permit speedy readmission of law-abiding individuals. Any sort of criminal past or activity excludes an applicant. Enough of these pachuco gangsters with their pit bulls and driveby shootings. With them gone the entire black-tar heroin supply chain would fold overnight.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-09-07 15:36|| 2007-09-07 15:36|| Front Page Top

#9 You forgot another one Zenster: cheap labor prevents automation.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-09-07 15:45|| 2007-09-07 15:45|| Front Page Top

#10 Mr. Card is fighting to keep his housecleaning and gardening cheap.

Posted by DoDo 2007-09-07 16:53|| 2007-09-07 16:53|| Front Page Top

#11 Orson, Aris - I give you Article 22 of the Mexican Constitution:

Article 33 - Foreigners are those who do not possess the qualities determined in Article 30. They have the right to the guarantees of Chapter I of the first title of this Constitution, but the Executive of the Union has the exclusive right to expel from the national territory, immediately and without necessity of judicial proceedings, all foreigners whose stay it judges inconvenient. Foreigners may not, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the country.

When you get them to change that, then come talk down to us.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-09-07 16:54|| 2007-09-07 16:54|| Front Page Top

#12 Shucks, that Article 33 not 22...

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-09-07 16:55|| 2007-09-07 16:55|| Front Page Top

#13 How do Mexicans treat vagrants? In the 'seventies I was in San Jose del Cabo, Baja, and saw some local police pull a drifter into the police station. Next, I heard a series of smacks and thuds, amid demands that he never come back there. Next, they pulled him into a police car with a sack over his head, and then they took him away.

Posted by McZoid 2007-09-07 20:28|| 2007-09-07 20:28|| Front Page Top

#14 You should see the way they deal with Ecuadorans.

Posted by Oddball 2007-09-07 23:14|| 2007-09-07 23:14|| Front Page Top

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