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2007-09-15 Iraq
Git or die, interpreters for British Army told
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Posted by  2007-09-15 00:48|| || Front Page|| [6 views ]  Top

#1 A brave British officer, who declined to be named, confirmed Ahmed’s identity, and saw no reason to doubt his story. “It would not be the first time something like this has happened,” he said before returning to his ale and Twenty20 World Cricket Championships.

Appears Ambassador Crocker's recent analysis regarding a US withdrawl may indeed be correct.
Posted by Besoeker 2007-09-15 01:36||   2007-09-15 01:36|| Front Page Top

#2 The US should take them in even if Britain won't.
Posted by gorb 2007-09-15 02:56||   2007-09-15 02:56|| Front Page Top

#3 Some things never change:

After taking over Laos in 1975, the Pathet Lao Communists stated that they would wipe out the Hmong. A Vietnamese broadcast apparently called for genocide against them. From 1976 to 1979, there were credible reports of chemical warfare used against Hmong villages. The world tried to ignore these reports, and some influential voices in the United States tried to discredit the evidence, claiming that the "yellow rain" that had been used to kill Hmong people was just natural bee feces, not a chemical toxin. By the time overwhelming evidence had been gathered to shatter the "bee feces" theory, the media no longer seemed interested in exploring charges of genocide by Communist forces.
Posted by Besoeker 2007-09-15 03:32||   2007-09-15 03:32|| Front Page Top

#4 We'll take unlimited Mexicans and they'll take unlimited Paks but not those who helped us in battle yesterday? Can't expect more help if that's how you treat them.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-09-15 06:16||   2007-09-15 06:16|| Front Page Top

#5 The British have long had a bad reputation for sticking it to those who helped them, especially when a large amount of money was due in payment.
Posted by Anonymoose 2007-09-15 08:18||   2007-09-15 08:18|| Front Page Top

#6 Canada should take them. But we are no better.
Posted by Excalibur 2007-09-15 10:01||   2007-09-15 10:01|| Front Page Top

#7 The Brits have a long history of sticking it to anyone whom they owe: (Kipling: Last of the Light Brigade)

There were thirty million English who talked of England's might,
There were twenty broken troopers who lacked a bed for the night.
They had neither food nor money, they had neither service nor trade;
They were only shiftless soldiers, the last of the Light Brigade.

They felt that life was fleeting; they kuew not that art was long,
That though they were dying of famine, they lived in deathless song.
They asked for a little money to keep the wolf from the door;
And the thirty million English sent twenty pounds and four!....
Posted by RWV 2007-09-15 10:21||   2007-09-15 10:21|| Front Page Top

#8 Wonder how much funding they could free up if they got serious about deporting hate preachers and their groupies?
Posted by lotp 2007-09-15 10:40||   2007-09-15 10:40|| Front Page Top

#9 Best solution: Kill the Killers.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2007-09-15 12:54||   2007-09-15 12:54|| Front Page Top

#10 Plan d
Posted by rhodesiafever 2007-09-15 15:32||   2007-09-15 15:32|| Front Page Top

#11 The US should take them in even if Britain won't.

Wrong. No more Muslims should be allowed to immigrate into the USA. Period. Islam contains within itself the seeds of violence and extremism. Just because one seems friendly now is no guarantee.
Posted by SR-71 2007-09-15 16:55||   2007-09-15 16:55|| Front Page Top

#12 SR-71, true.

However, consider some aspects that may not be so obvious on the first look.

1) If it was only income that a translator was after, he/she'd quit some time ago, as the danger outweighted income considerations right off the bat. There had to be another incentive keeping one doing the job.

2) I would surmise that for many of them, the hold of Islam on them is rather tenuous and imposed, rather than elected. The chances that given a conductive environment they would leave Islam are rather positive than the opposite.

3) They know Arabic and the mind set and could be employed in intel jobs, covering both enemies foreign and domestic (infiltrating mosques an Islamic orgs), provided that they pass through set of barriers that would weed out those not suitable and through a thorough training. Of course, trust but verify is a must throughout their involment.
Posted by twobyfour 2007-09-15 18:24||   2007-09-15 18:24|| Front Page Top

#13 Given their culture, I couldn't imagine a better way for them to prove themselves. In any case, they're more good than harm. We're idiots if we don't take them in, and heartless if we leave them there.

Assuming they aren't fanatics, of course! :-)
Posted by gorb 2007-09-15 18:59||   2007-09-15 18:59|| Front Page Top

#14 the media no longer seemed interested in exploring charges of genocide by Communist forces.

And when—in modern times—has the MSM given a rusty phuque about communist genocide?

SR-71—however inclined I am to agree with you—twobyfour makes an important point. Those few Iraqis who sought to assist our intelligence operations represent some of the best—and most deserving—candidates for authentic assimilation here in America. Even though just the simple act of typing these words sets my spidey taqiyya sense tingling, people who risk their very lives for the betterment of their nation must be accorded some recognition.

If anything, temporary residency along with a well-paying job at the NSA would probably go a long way towards guaranteeing total societal integration.

One concession I will make towards your own valid skepticism, SR-71, is that one—just one single—fart sideways gets these same people deported before the devil can get his shoes on. I refuse to discount just how poisonous taqiyya is, not in regard to any living Muslim on this entire stinking earth.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-15 22:59||   2007-09-15 22:59|| Front Page Top

#15 How will you tell whether they are fanatics or not? Muslims will not assimilate. They will remain quiet until they reach about 10% of the population. Even now we see outbreaks of sudden jihad syndrome: LAX El Al shootings, Seattle Jewish Community Center, University of NC, the SC "fireworks" boys. How much of that will you tolerate?

Heartless? I love our people more that I love theirs.
Posted by SR-71 2007-09-15 23:02||   2007-09-15 23:02|| Front Page Top

#16 An additional comment: the kind of intelligence that 2X4 is talking about would have been valuable in past wars, but will not be so valuable in the kind of war that is coming with Islam.

I refuse to tolerate the intolerant. We have a culture and nation worth defending. I have come to the conclusion that separation and containment is the only answer to Islam short of its total destruction. The longer we equivocate, the closer we come to a war to the death.
Posted by SR-71 2007-09-15 23:16||   2007-09-15 23:16|| Front Page Top

#17 How will you tell whether they are fanatics or not?

One cannot and that is why my support for twobyfour's position contained so many qualifications.

the kind of intelligence that 2X4 is talking about would have been valuable in past wars, but will not be so valuable in the kind of war that is coming with Islam.

Damn fine point, SR-71, and one that pretty much obliges me to withdraw my previous position.

I have come to the conclusion that separation and containment is the only answer to Islam short of its total destruction. The longer we equivocate, the closer we come to a war to the death.

You have so closely elucidated my own stance that I refuse to nit pick. I'd rather things were your way than substantially otherwise. Thank you very much for taking exception to my post. Sometimes I, too, need some realignment.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-15 23:53||   2007-09-15 23:53|| Front Page Top

#18 PS: SR-71, I'll also ask that you please accept this a distinct appreciation for your own sense of fundamentalism.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-15 23:55||   2007-09-15 23:55|| Front Page Top

#19 These guys (background check) should be given somewhere safe to stay! Their military brothers.
Posted by Boss Craising2882 2007-09-15 23:59||   2007-09-15 23:59|| Front Page Top

23:59 Boss Craising2882
23:55 Zenster
23:53 Zenster
23:16 SR-71
23:02 SR-71
23:02 Zenster
22:59 Zenster
22:44 Zenster
22:31 Zenster
22:28 trailing wife
21:50 Jimmy Carter
21:42 McZoid
21:30 Valentine
21:27 gorb
20:58 mrp
20:57 Ptah
20:48 twobyfour
20:44 Frank G
20:40 lotp
20:39 lotp
20:36 twobyfour
20:25 mrp
20:19 Zenster
20:16 Duh!









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