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2008-03-04 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

Only zero emissions can prevent a warmer planet

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Posted by john frum 2008-03-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 Only zero emissions can prevent a warmer planet

So, basically, all economic activity must stop! Better go find a good cave now, folks. The best ones are gonna go fast...

Posted by PBMcL 2008-03-04 01:09|| 2008-03-04 01:09|| Front Page Top

#2 but I find the planet too cold!

Posted by Chuting Flang8286 2008-03-04 01:16|| 2008-03-04 01:16|| Front Page Top

#3 It takes a lot of energy to heat [oceans] up and then a long time for them to cool back down, he explains.

Go directly to Oslo (first-class, of course, for a Hero like you) to receive your Nobel Prize and the thanks of a grateful planet, sir. You're a Real Man of Genius.

Posted by Seafarious 2008-03-04 01:35|| 2008-03-04 01:35|| Front Page Top

#4 Nice spin on Pielke's comment who is a prominent climate sceptic. What he means is if CO2 is warming our climate, then partial mitigation is bollocks.

BTW, here is a link to Svensmark's The Cloud Mystery video.

I independantly arrived at the same conclusion, the Earth's climate is dominated by water phase changes. CO2 and solar radiation don't matter.

Posted by phil_b 2008-03-04 04:23|| 2008-03-04 04:23|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm sorry but it's rather obvious that Solar radiation is the only thing that matters.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-03-04 06:11|| 2008-03-04 06:11|| Front Page Top

#6 I remember two things from a Scientice American article 5 or 10 yers ago:

1. Global warming started 8,000 years ago, when humans started farming and cows started - well, you know.

2. Looking at the cycle of recent (geologically speaking) ice ages, without that additional CO2 starting 8,000 years ago, we'd be dead in the middle of an ice age.

Posted by Bobby 2008-03-04 06:40|| 2008-03-04 06:40|| Front Page Top

#7 Sooo... all animals should stop breathing too. After all, we are huge C02 polluters.

What a buttmunch. The sun controls it all and we are gonna get cold for a while. Buy stock in energy, heating and cold weather clothing companies.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-03-04 07:37|| 2008-03-04 07:37|| Front Page Top

#8 Greenhouse gas emissions will have to be eliminated

Get rid of everyone who emits CO2. Animals too. Only then will the planet be safe for colonization by silicon-based alien life forms.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2008-03-04 08:00|| 2008-03-04 08:00|| Front Page Top

#9 Only mass suicide can save us now.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-03-04 08:17|| 2008-03-04 08:17|| Front Page Top

#10 We'd better get rid of the swamps, too. As I recall, there are a lot of greenhouse gasses emitted as the vegetation decays.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-03-04 08:42|| 2008-03-04 08:42|| Front Page Top

#11 What the hell is a Climate Policy Expert? And what kind of model are they using? What is a 'Climatologist'?

Does this mean we are going to war against the Martians - after all they must be emitting a lot of greenhouse gas as well since Mars is warming up just like earth. And then the Venusians, Mercurians, Jupitarians, Saturians, etc....

Posted by CrazyFool 2008-03-04 08:47|| 2008-03-04 08:47|| Front Page Top

#12 Given the choice between a cold planet and a warm one, I'll take the non-frozen version, thanks. Can you say Maunder Minimum? I knew you could!

Posted by SteveS 2008-03-04 09:05|| 2008-03-04 09:05|| Front Page Top

#13 Any more global warming and we are going to have a reduced growing season in North America. Then watch the price of wheat go skyward. These double dipshits ought to be exported to Anartica so they don't suffer any more overheating.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter 2907 2008-03-04 09:26|| 2008-03-04 09:26|| Front Page Top

#14 It may surprize people but the US EPA has been doing some useful research on cooling regional climates by such means as modifying rooftops and pavements to reflect heat back into space.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2008-03-04 09:29|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2008-03-04 09:29|| Front Page Top

#15 Ummm, can I get the contract for the REEEAAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYYY big corks for all the volcanoes?

Posted by AlanC 2008-03-04 15:28|| 2008-03-04 15:28|| Front Page Top

#16 If people are going to the expense of modifying rooftops, then I rather see the money going to capture the energy (e.g. hot water) than reflect it back into space.

Posted by ed 2008-03-04 15:39|| 2008-03-04 15:39|| Front Page Top

#17 Over 99% of all CO2 is emitted from the oceans and inland waters. 100% of all Human-Caused-GM propaganda comes from moonbat humans.

Posted by Spuque Black2622 2008-03-04 15:56|| 2008-03-04 15:56|| Front Page Top

#18 68% of all bullshit comes from global warming.

Posted by Slats Flavinter4996 2008-03-04 16:55|| 2008-03-04 16:55|| Front Page Top

#19 ALL Long term computer models of climate have 100% error.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-03-04 17:17|| 2008-03-04 17:17|| Front Page Top

#20 The Sun Spots have dropped to near zero. This allows more cosmic rays to bombard the Earth and provide increased Hygroscopic Nuclei for clouds to form, thus reflecting heat and causing global cooling.

Click on: Hygroscopic Nuclei

As a former Meteorologist this makes more sense than looking at pictures of a Polar Bear sitting on a Iceberg.

My favorite trick is to tell one of these Global Warming zealots that because of the polar ice melt the Polar Bears are starving because they cannot get to the Penguins. They usually shake their heads and agree how terrible that situation is for the bears.

These rubes don't even realize that Polar Bears are Arctic animals and Penguins are Antarctic. Try it it's a lot of fun even if they know the difference.

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-03-04 17:56|| 2008-03-04 17:56|| Front Page Top

#21 The Sun Spots have dropped to near zero.
Ruh roh. Look at the Wikipedia entry for the Maunder Minimum - there were only about 10 sunspots/year. And it was COLD!

Posted by Rambler in California">Rambler in California 2008-03-04 18:23|| 2008-03-04 18:23|| Front Page Top

#22 PLUS, 90-95% of the Earth's HUMAN POPULATION will STILL have to be eliminated, IDEALLY BY YEAR 2050 or ASAP, ala FREEREPUBLIC, REDDIT, TOPIX, LUCIANNE, etc. POSTERS.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-03-04 18:29|| 2008-03-04 18:29|| Front Page Top

#23 I've had correspondence with Roger Pielke.

One note for you fans of ManBearPig.

The Pielke quoted by the article is by Roger Pielke, Jr., as Wiki notes, a politial scientist at UC.

In my correspondence with Pielke, Sr., this is a common mistake.

(Ohhhhh...)

Posted by OregonGuy">OregonGuy 2008-03-04 18:43|| http://oregonguythinks.blogspot.com/]">[http://oregonguythinks.blogspot.com/] 2008-03-04 18:43|| Front Page Top

#24 I've had correspondence with Roger Pielke.

One note for you fans of ManBearPig.

The Pielke quoted by the article is by Roger Pielke, Jr., as Wiki notes, a politial scientist at UC.

In my correspondence with Pielke, Sr., this is a common mistake.

(Ohhhhh...)

Posted by OregonGuy">OregonGuy 2008-03-04 19:49|| http://oregonguythinks.blogspot.com/]">[http://oregonguythinks.blogspot.com/] 2008-03-04 19:49|| Front Page Top

#25 Pielke Jr specializes in environmental policy and has published on global warming.

For example,

End-of-2007 Hurricane-Global Warming Update

BTW, everyone should watch the Svensmark video I linked to above. Don't be put off by the fact the first few minutes are in Danish, the rest is in English.

Posted by phil_b 2008-03-04 20:25|| 2008-03-04 20:25|| Front Page Top

#26 REDDIT SCIENCE > LIVE IT UP - WE'VE GOT TWENTY YEARS BEFORE IT HITS THE FAN [James Lovelock]; + 80% OF WORLD'S POPULATION MUST BE WIPED OUT BY 2100 [Guardian.uk].

Also on REDDIT > ENVIRONMENTAL GRAFITTI > EAT/KILL ALL WHALES TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING.
Flipper? Sea Mammals? Captain Ahab was right - support your local Japanese-Asian SUSHI + TURTLE/SHARK FIN SOUP restaurants???

IFF THE SUN + BINARY "DEATH STAR" DOESN'T KILL US, METHANE = EXPLODIN' ATMOSPHERIC GASES WILL???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-03-04 22:21|| 2008-03-04 22:21|| Front Page Top

#27 OK, so greenhouse emissions affect the SOLAR WARMING/COOLING how?

Duh.

These are not scientists, they are spreadsheet monkies.

Take that model and input the 1300's. See if you can get a Little Ice Age.

Bet it FAILS miserably in both situations.

Bad data into a bad sim = garbage output.

They first need to PROVE that human emitted greenhouse gasses are CAUSATIVE of Global Warming.

Nobody has proven that yet. Consensus means jack. Consensus was that the sun went aroudn the earth for the longest time.

Show me the numbers, the logic and the causitive links. Otherwise you are practicing voodoo.

And by the way, the number ONE warming component is... WATER VAPOR. They model for that and solar variation?

Posted by OldSpook 2008-03-04 23:13|| 2008-03-04 23:13|| Front Page Top

#28 Oh and to the idiot above, warmer N America means INCREASED growing season you nitwit.

You'd get an extra crop of winter wheat all the way up into Canada.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-03-04 23:19|| 2008-03-04 23:19|| Front Page Top

#29 If the moonbats are serious about decreasing the CO2 levels, simply quit breathing, that'll help several different ways, cutting down seriously on both the noise pollution, and raising the overall IQ several points.

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