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2010-08-31 Fifth Column

FIFTH COLUMN: ACLU sues over 'Targeted Killings'

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Posted by Free Radical 2010-08-31 06:32|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 What is war but targeted killing? Wars would go much better if the ACLU kept out of it. Thought the name was "American" Civil Liberties Union not "Afghanistan or Pakistan Civil Liberties Union."

Posted by JohnQC 2010-08-31 08:13|| 2010-08-31 08:13|| Front Page Top

#2 What the ACLU and friends want you to forget -

S.J.Res.23

One Hundred Seventh Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE FIRST SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Wednesday,

the third day of January, two thousand and one

Joint Resolution

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence; and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and

Whereas, the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-08-31 08:42|| 2010-08-31 08:42|| Front Page Top

#3 We could always go back to carpet bombing ....

Posted by gorb 2010-08-31 09:57|| 2010-08-31 09:57|| Front Page Top

#4 Pops is lucky I'm not in charge. There'd be a Predator parked in front of his house.

Posted by tu3031 2010-08-31 10:31|| 2010-08-31 10:31|| Front Page Top

#5 The government has to show he is an imminent threat to the U.S. in order to justify him being killed like this.

I agree. al-Awlaki is an US citizen and as such is granted unalienable rights. Right now, I believe, he is classified as a suspected terrorist regardless of what uncle Leon says. In fact, has he even been charged with a crime? Not to be obtuse but suspicion alone doesnt grant the government the right to exterminate a citizen in good stead. And like it or not thats what this dirt bag currently is. Look, until the Feds prove imminent threat and change his classification, there are legitimate legal and ethical questions regarding this program.

Posted by DepotGuy 2010-08-31 11:31|| 2010-08-31 11:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Perhaps a lawyerly type can explain how the ACLU has standing to get involved in this fight. And try not to invoke Spanish-style universal jurisdiction.

Posted by SteveS 2010-08-31 12:03|| 2010-08-31 12:03|| Front Page Top

#7 This problem goes all the back to president Jefferson, when federal judges decided they had jurisdiction over pirates captured by the US Navy. More than anything, it was an ego trip on their part, as the international law of the sea was very clear about the authority of warship Captains.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-08-31 12:36|| 2010-08-31 12:36|| Front Page Top

#8 I mostly agree with DepotGuy.

The USA should, under special terrorism courts, charge him with Treason, invite his lawyers to submit evidence, hold proceedings, etc.

The procedure by which this is done during the age of terrorism, should be in the U.S.Code. (it isn't now, nor are there special terrorism courts).

Unfortunately, this will take both brains and hard work by the Dept of Justice to draft a bill for congress to deliberate and pass and then for it to withstand challenge (and yes, the law may end up having to be amended because the SC of the US likes to pick and choose what laws it likes). The folks in the Dept of Justice didn't want to take this on during the W admin and I'm pretty sure the gang there now doesn't want to either.

Posted by lord garth 2010-08-31 13:46|| 2010-08-31 13:46|| Front Page Top

#9 Ways to lose citizenship.

Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
2. taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
3. entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
4. accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
5. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
6. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
7. conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).

Posted by JohnQC 2010-08-31 17:03|| 2010-08-31 17:03|| Front Page Top

#10 From a Yahoo answer to "How was the term fifth column coined?"

Who came up with the phrase, and what's with the columns? Emilio Mola Vidal, a Nationalist general during the Spanish Civil War (1936-39), originally coined the term. As four of his army columns moved on Madrid, the general referred to his militant supporters within the capital as his "fifth column," intent on undermining the loyalist government from within.

So the fifth column is a group of secret sympathizers or supporters of an enemy that engage in espionage or sabotage within defense lines or national borders.

The ACLU and CCR can try to use America's own institutions against it but they will fail. The majority of Americans are conservative in their beliefs. As long as good men continue to speak out, they will fail.

Posted by Mike Ramsey 2010-08-31 22:34|| 2010-08-31 22:34|| Front Page Top

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