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2012-01-17 Home Front: Politix

New Navy budgets may sink plans for aircraft carriers

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Posted by Mike Ramsey 2012-01-17 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 "20, 30, 40 years from now" > by then the US-led OWG-NWO plans to rely on effective Spacestrike + Space MDS, + the early, simplistic beginnings of Earth-to-Moon/High Orbit travel.

The FORD-class CVNF is likely the last ocean-going Carrier classs before the USNavy-DOD switches oer to Space/Starships - the seven seas will become the purvue of Global Security Submarines + LCS-style light Surface Ships.

WHO'S THE WALKING PERT CLUSTERFUCK(S) THAT KEEP MAKING RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT(S) THAT OUR FUTURE OWG-NWO = SPACE GOVT-ORDER WON'T NEED NUC POWER ANYMORE, THAT HUMANITY IS GOING INTO DEEP SPACE RELYING ON "GREEN FUELS"???

First thingys come first, as one has to learn how to crawl before he can walk before he can run before he can fly before ....

> Universal Govts-Perts consensus on PEAK EVERYTHING, i.e. Curent + Future National, Global Reserves.
> The Russians [+ India] need to stop crashing.
> China will ultimately likely have to give up Communism.
> Indjuh will have to decide iff Indians, Hinduism, + Space are compatible concepts.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-01-17 00:43|| 2012-01-17 00:43|| Front Page Top

#2 How about we pillage and loot Iran instead?

Posted by Fat Bob Unotch3711 2012-01-17 01:55|| 2012-01-17 01:55|| Front Page Top

#3 I strongly suspect that the next carrier will be a "drone carrier", considerably smaller and a lot faster, likely launching from the sides and recovering on the flattop, which as a dual purpose will be able to take some manned aircraft as well, such as ECM and helicopters.

A critical design element will be their ability to avoid-defeat incoming high speed anti-ship missiles, torpedoes and mines.

Posted by Anonymoose 2012-01-17 09:38|| 2012-01-17 09:38|| Front Page Top

#4 Maybe a submarine carrier? The Japanese managed to build a couple for WW 2, but never used them. In any case, stealth requirements by then may well make anything we have obsolete, much like the dreadnought class battleship did when it appeared on the scene.

Posted by gorb 2012-01-17 13:52|| 2012-01-17 13:52|| Front Page Top

#5 Moose, what you are suggesting could be a Wasp-sized ship with a smallish flight deck. Or make it MUCH smaller (about the size of one of these baby flat-tops the Euros like) and limit it to drones and a few helicopters. Good news is that those would be a lot cheaper than a Ford-class fleet nuclear carrier, and perhaps you could build a bunch of them.

Posted by Steve White 2012-01-17 15:08|| 2012-01-17 15:08|| Front Page Top

#6 Note that the MQ-47B is not a lot smaller than the lawn dart, but it does have triple the range. So carriers probably won't get smaller unless they carry fewer aircraft. A small carrier CBG will require the same escorts as a big carrier CBG. And the crew difference, (i.e. personnel costs) between a large and small carrier probably isn't that great.

So the big carriers will hang on until one is sunk or the UCAVs get significantly smaller.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-01-17 16:04|| 2012-01-17 16:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Biggest problem I see w/ the idea of smart ships is damage control; yes sensors can detect a pipe rupture or a hull breach, even a fire. but it require manpower to effect a repair or an 'on the fly' reroute/re do of fire boundaries, hose runs.

after living through 2 major fires on 2 different CV(n)s, the training of the crew enables us to react and do things the robo boat couldn't ( like toss a full LOX bottle over the side when it was engulfed in a pool of burning JP-5, for instance)

Posted by USN, Ret. 2012-01-17 19:35|| 2012-01-17 19:35|| Front Page Top

#8 One possibility might be a semi-submersible. It would surface to travel quickly, as well as to launch or recover its drones, but when under attack it could quickly lower itself below the surface.

Posted by Anonymoose 2012-01-17 20:06|| 2012-01-17 20:06|| Front Page Top

#9 "Drone Carrier" > The Euros + Russia + Some in Asia appear to favor the MISTRAL-class designs, while as per the USN I believe we will see the future in the Navy's new mobile Landing Platform Ships.

I still hold that iff the US Navy-DOD have to cut the ENTERPIRSE + one or more NIMITZS', THEN GIVE 'EM TO THE BRITS = NATO FOR USE AS MULTI-PURPOSE VESSELS, ESPEC AIR + TROOP RR CARRIERS.

[POTUS FDR GIVING CHURCHILL 50 US DESTROYERS FREE-N-CLEAR here].

The UK's MoD + RN's anticipated timelines = gaps for the two CVF QUEEN LIZZIES is too risque' to allow.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-01-17 20:36|| 2012-01-17 20:36|| Front Page Top

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