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2019-06-07 Home Front: Culture Wars
If millennials had fought D-Day, we'd all be speaking German today
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Posted by  Herb McCoy 2019-06-07 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [441 views ]  Top

#1 I thought you'd rather that no one fought it.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/romanticizing-d-day-ignores-thousands-of-civilian-deaths
Posted by Dron66046 2019-06-07 07:45||   2019-06-07 07:45|| Front Page Top

#2 A perspective, not necessarily representative.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/romanticizing-d-day-ignores-thousands-of-civilian-deaths
Posted by Skidmark 2019-06-07 08:06||   2019-06-07 08:06|| Front Page Top

#3 While millennials make up about 30 percent of the general population in the U.S., they constitute nearly three quarters of the service men and women in the military.

I wonder if these figures are accurate? The numbers seem high. If so, there are quite a few millennials who most likely would fight in a war.

Statistics on millennials in the military.
Posted by JohnQC 2019-06-07 08:53||   2019-06-07 08:53|| Front Page Top

#4 Are those millenials fighting in fantasy D-Day fighting against millenial Germans or WW2 era Germans?

Imagine the actual D-Day studs going up against Millenial Germans during WW2. That would be something like Hogans Heroes goes to war I suspect.
Posted by rjschwarz 2019-06-07 09:33||   2019-06-07 09:33|| Front Page Top

#5 Would have been Japanese on the West Coast. They'll soon learn Mandarin the way its going anyway.
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-06-07 10:57||   2019-06-07 10:57|| Front Page Top

#6 Reminds me of the 60's. Half the group of boomers were honorable and the other half dopers. While I get the joke, our military is as capable and willing as any generation of military.
Posted by 49 Pan 2019-06-07 12:32||   2019-06-07 12:32|| Front Page Top

#7 So, the fact that we had universal conscription back then escapes everyone?.

Today we don't have that. The modern US military is basically a mercenary force. It's all about retention bonuses and benefits. Serve your country, sure, but how is that done by getting killed in Niger? Or Afghanistan? You're just serving globalist goals and providing fuel for a fire that will never warm you.

I say this as a red white and blue America-loving American. It would be wonderful if our military defended our shores. But it doesn't. It's mafia enforcers for an unelected transnational elite. We are sworn to the death to defend the borders of others but cannot defend our own.
Posted by Herb McCoy  2019-06-07 13:35||   2019-06-07 13:35|| Front Page Top

#8 The thing is, Mr, McCoy, there is near defence and far defence (I’m sure there are technical terms for this, but I don’t know them). At the moment I’m working up an article about the upcoming trial of the support crew for the 2015 Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris. Nowadays near defence, which is what you are proposing we concentrate on, looks remarkably like fighting attackers within the national borders. So that os the choice, Mr. McCoy: keep them busy fighting us far from our home, where the people they kill are mostly their own countrymen, or fight them in New York City subway stations and college football stadiums.

There is one thing we could do in order to be able to keep the troops at home, though: expel from the homeland everyone in any way connected to those who would war against us. Granted, this would mean driving out all Muslim immigrants, all those who have provided or expressed support for Muslim immigrants, all Black Muslims, all those connected to illegals brought in by coyotes and all those — illegal and otherwise — connected to narco gangs... At a rough estimate we’re talking thirty to fifty million people, many of them American citizens — and many of the citizens Democrats — but there is no point in setting our mercenaries to guard the walls if the enemy army is already within, right?

As General Patton reportedly said, “No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.” And it’s ever so much easier to ensure that happens when the war is fought in the enemy’s back yard instead of ours.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-06-07 14:02||   2019-06-07 14:02|| Front Page Top

#9 TW, thank you. Any other comments from me would get me sent to my room.
Posted by 49 Pan 2019-06-07 14:05||   2019-06-07 14:05|| Front Page Top

#10  The modern US military is basically a mercenary force.

Fuck off, weaselboy.
Posted by Frank G 2019-06-07 14:29||   2019-06-07 14:29|| Front Page Top

#11 I think Herb meant defending our borders, especially our southern one.
Posted by Texhooey 2019-06-07 14:36||   2019-06-07 14:36|| Front Page Top

#12 The modern US military is basically a mercenary force.

No, it's not. You are conflating the idea of an army for hire with soldiering as a profession. This does not do your argument any credit.
Posted by SteveS 2019-06-07 14:42||   2019-06-07 14:42|| Front Page Top

#13 Libertarians are why I'm not a Libertarian.

Me:
"We should withdraw at least some forces. We can re-tool and take care of this problem at the southern border, and besides..."

"Yeah, cuz the US military is part of the international mercenary cabal which has its roots during inside job Pearl Harbor, which we deserved."

"Wait, what? Forget the 40 years of US/China/Japan interrelationships leading up to 1942...was Pearl Harbor an inside job, or a deserved provocation?"

"We deserved it for meddling in Japan's foreign affairs, and was a perfect excuse to stage an incident so we could sell machines and our soldiers to Britain and Russia."

"Get out of our bar with that shit."

"Why, I can go anywhere I want."

"Did you just hear yourself?"
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-06-07 15:17||   2019-06-07 15:17|| Front Page Top

#14 #13 Exactly.

It's actually possible to believe two things.

That dealing with the border is imperative and that forward defense is sometimes necessary.

My only beef with the latter is when it's done "just because" even when it amounts to turning our best people into sitting ducks because of overly restrictive ROE for fear of bad optics.

Afraid of bad optics? Don't send them over, then.
Posted by charger 2019-06-07 18:03||   2019-06-07 18:03|| Front Page Top

#15 "A volunteer army is the only proper, moral - and practical - way to defend a free country. Should a man volunteer to fight, if his country is attacked? Yes - if he values his own rights and freedom." - Ayn Rand.

There is nothing "immoral" about being hired to fight for the US Army rather than being forced to do so. And I think what a lot of you are actually debating is whether or not a lot of millennials actually do value their rights and their freedoms. Unfortunately, I don't think that enough of them do.
Posted by Vernal Hatrick 2019-06-07 18:04||   2019-06-07 18:04|| Front Page Top

#16 I consider myself libertarian leaning, but if you don't support the border you'll end up with a socialist country. That's just stupid.
Posted by rjschwarz 2019-06-07 18:17||   2019-06-07 18:17|| Front Page Top

#17 Had only Rome
Remained at home,
Exemplar of virtues domestic,
A world at peace
Belongs to Greece,
And this might be all anapestic.
Posted by Uluger Pelosi7839 2019-06-07 18:50||   2019-06-07 18:50|| Front Page Top

#18 At almost every school massacre by evil you always hear of millennial students who gave their lives trying to fight back or staying behind helping others escape.

Posted by Varmint Splat1454 2019-06-07 19:11||   2019-06-07 19:11|| Front Page Top

#19 The modern US military is basically a mercenary force.

Gee Herb, a draft army was only a small part of history of the US. Most of the time its been a active volunteer force. By draft, what is really meant is the activation of the federal militia. Since 1792 and the first Militia Act to today's Title X USC subparagraph Militia, all male citizens between 18 and 45 are active members of the federal militia in accordance with Art. I Section 8 of the Constitution.
The draft was to be just an emergence back up in case the situation was too much for the regulars.
It stopped after WWII but was reactivated in 1948 because of the Berlin Crisis.
Unfortunately, that force became a means to engage in long term interventions around the globe. Foreign adventures that lead to too many failures and too many lives of the basic citizenry squandered. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Concurrent with that employment came more and more power to the Executive and expansion of government.
A mercenary force fights for its pay master. The US force is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution. While some in the ranks and more in the senior political positions may look at who ever is in Washington as their paymaster, there are far more who serve and will 'give the last full measure of devotion' to the sworn duty. That is why Obama tried to break it.
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-06-07 19:47||   2019-06-07 19:47|| Front Page Top

#20 "Herb" knows all that. He's an agitprop asshat. He's not instructable.
Posted by Frank G 2019-06-07 20:10||   2019-06-07 20:10|| Front Page Top

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