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2019-11-12 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israel hit by rockets after killing Islamic Jihad leader Abu al-Ata in Gaza
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Posted by trailing wife 2019-11-12 00:30|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [847 views ]  Top
 File under: Islamic Jihad (Palestian) 

#1 Sooner, or later, we'll have to obliterate Gaza.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 02:31||   2019-11-12 02:31|| Front Page Top

#2 Thank you, TW. My comments adorning a Mod's post ! I feel honored.

I realized just when I clicked the button I forgot to add the main link, sorry.

Congratulations and cheers for the superb hit. That's one out of three down.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-11-12 02:43||   2019-11-12 02:43|| Front Page Top

#3 p.s. Accusation that the action was politically motivated - reminding Gantz why he can't form a ruling coalition with Arab "Israeli" support in 5..4..3
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 03:01||   2019-11-12 03:01|| Front Page Top

#4 
"His wife always did complain about bringing his work home."
Posted by Dron66046 2019-11-12 03:11||   2019-11-12 03:11|| Front Page Top

#5 israel should publicly thank the half dozen hamas operatives that helped target al ata
Posted by lord garth 2019-11-12 05:41||   2019-11-12 05:41|| Front Page Top

#6 IDF announces it is attacking Islamic Jihad targets in the Gaza Strip
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 05:52||   2019-11-12 05:52|| Front Page Top

#7 #3 Bingo
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 06:15||   2019-11-12 06:15|| Front Page Top

#8 IDF KILLS TWO MORE PALESTINIAN ISLAMIC JIHAD TERRORISTS
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 06:21||   2019-11-12 06:21|| Front Page Top

#9 Re: #3, #7 - C'mon G. admit it, you have a mole in the JP.,
Posted by Mercutio 2019-11-12 07:48||   2019-11-12 07:48|| Front Page Top

#10 #3 I've studied Pseudohomo Sinistrus for many years.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 07:54||   2019-11-12 07:54|| Front Page Top

#11 Of course, I've meant 3^2.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 08:05||   2019-11-12 08:05|| Front Page Top

#12 I guess, we finally getting the summer Gaza war - was postponed because of electoral deadlock.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 08:06||   2019-11-12 08:06|| Front Page Top

#13 According to a theory recently proposed here at the 'Burg, if y'all would just withdraw completely from Muslim lands, everyone could live in peace.

P.S. You also need to throw yourselves into the Med.
Posted by SteveS 2019-11-12 11:22||   2019-11-12 11:22|| Front Page Top

#14 You also have to legalize narcotics and all derivatives, SteveS. Without that the brilliant theory is incomplete. You wouldn't want them to make that excuse later, right ? Say it was a sound plan, but you didn't do it all the way ?
Posted by Dron66046 2019-11-12 11:38||   2019-11-12 11:38|| Front Page Top

#15 IDF drone struck two Islamic Jihad terrorists north of the Gaza Strip on Tuesday evening as they were preparing to fire rockets on Israel, IDF spokesperson reported.

Hope this represent a successful tryout a new technique, rather than just luck.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 12:11||   2019-11-12 12:11|| Front Page Top

#16 Deliberately misstating positions so that they sound terrible and are easily countered. Gosh, what a surprise. This is called "strawmanning" and is one of the weakest forms of argument. Instead, use "steelmanning" and restate your opponent's arguments in the best possible terms, and make counter-arguments for those.



I said it would be a war-winning move for America. You know, America First? The country that we love? Let's win the war for us.

Israel is heavily armed and can defend itself quite well. We give them billions in subsidies every year for some reason, even though they are a wealthy First World country. Let them spend their own treasury and offer up their own young men to die. None of this has anything to do with America. America First. We're not here to make you happy. We're not going to do that.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-11-12 12:23||   2019-11-12 12:23|| Front Page Top

#17 Yuletide carol.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 12:40||   2019-11-12 12:40|| Front Page Top

#18 Hope this represent a successful tryout a new technique, rather than just luck.

I saw a write-up a couple years back on a neural network anomaly detector that had been trained to watch the entrance of a hotel. It could distinguish between normal arrival and departure of guests vs a carload of armed men zooming up to the entrance and jumping out. I can see where something like that could come in handy around Gaza.
Posted by SteveS 2019-11-12 13:07||   2019-11-12 13:07|| Front Page Top

#19 at least they weren't goatherders, right tool, Herb?
Posted by Frank G 2019-11-12 13:52||   2019-11-12 13:52|| Front Page Top

#20 I'm not the one who said it was OK to murder innocent civilians with drones as long as they were goatherders. You people did.

At what point do you realize by advocating murdering the innocent that you're the villains? And have a "my God, what have I done?" moment?

And if "murdering innocent people is wrong" doesn't sway you (Jesus Christ why would it not), realize that killing innocents is precisely what gets highlighted in every jihadi propaganda and raises numerous warriors for Islam.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-11-12 14:19||   2019-11-12 14:19|| Front Page Top

#21 murdering the innocent

According to the goats, they are all guilty of rape.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 14:34||   2019-11-12 14:34|| Front Page Top

#22 Nobody is sending up drones, directing them to 'target the largest group of innocents you see from up there and let 'em have it !'

That is their MO.

Are you even thinking clearly or is it some kind of empathic fascination with a specific ethnicity that's got you so riled up about it ?

Posted by Dron66046 2019-11-12 15:15||   2019-11-12 15:15|| Front Page Top

#23 Whataboutism is a propaganda technique first used by the Soviet Union, in its dealings with the Western world.[1] When Cold War criticisms were levelled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world.[2][3] It represents a case of tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy),[4] a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

My argument is that murdering innocents is wrong, and does nothing but add fuel to the fire. It literally creates terrorists like the one in your disgusting picture. You did nothing to refute or even address the point. I'm used to doing battle with the Left, who do the same shit but occasionally you'll get someone who makes real arguments. People on this website are terrible at arguing. All you have are a bunch of strong emotions.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-11-12 15:26||   2019-11-12 15:26|| Front Page Top

#24 
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 15:40||   2019-11-12 15:40|| Front Page Top

#25 Nobody is sending up drones, directing them to 'target the largest group of innocents you see from up there and let 'em have it !'

What, really? You don't know this? Any gathering of military-aged men is assumed to be a terrorist meeting and is a valid target. It's considered a target of opportunity.

You know what happens when people come to help the injured afterwards? Another strike. It's called a "double tap". How do you people not know this?

“They came here to bring security but they kill our children, they kill our brothers and they kill our people,” said Haji Ghullam Rasoul, whose cousins died in the attack. “We’ve had enough.”

The US commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, has stressed that civilian casualties undermine American efforts to pacify the country by inflaming popular opposition."

Also interviewed was Gula Jan, who had brought the bodies of his two young sisters to the Bost Hospital in Lashkar Gah. Their house had also been fired upon by the US-led forces. “My two little sisters were martyred by the foreigners’ rocket,” he said, “and I will not reconcile with the infidels until I can avenge my sisters.”

Ahmad’s father was shot dead by occupation troops when he left his home to get food. “The body of my father was left inside our home for two days because the foreigners did not let us out to bury the body in the cemetery,” he said. “We were scared of being killed. They are cruel and the infidels have no sympathy for us.”

https://www.countercurrents.org/auken230210.htm This was back in 2010. You'd think we'd have won the war by now. But no. We're no closer to winning than we were back then.

How do you not see that murdering civilians is wrong and that by doing so we are only creating more terrorists? It's not only morally wrong, it's tactically foolish.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-11-12 15:45||   2019-11-12 15:45|| Front Page Top

#26 We're not here to make you happy. We're not going to do that.

Yeah, Erb.
Posted by Skidmark 2019-11-12 15:48||   2019-11-12 15:48|| Front Page Top

#27 I'm not the one who said it was OK to murder innocent civilians with drones as long as they were goatherders. You people did.

I think it was YOUR president Obama Erb, which that began trend.

Obama meditating on drone strikes and telling his aides that he’s “really good at killing people”
Posted by Skidmark 2019-11-12 16:04||   2019-11-12 16:04|| Front Page Top

#28 Last Year President Obama Reportedly Told His Aides That He's 'Really Good At Killing People'

Where's that fit on your 'eat shit' food pyramid?
Posted by Skidmark 2019-11-12 16:07||   2019-11-12 16:07|| Front Page Top

#29 According to my sources:

Equal Opportunity Drone Kills Combatants and Civilians Indiscriminately
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-11-12 16:21||   2019-11-12 16:21|| Front Page Top

#30 " You people", Herb?

What people is that? And what people are you?
Posted by Mercutio 2019-11-12 16:34||   2019-11-12 16:34|| Front Page Top

#31 It was here on Rantburg, a few weeks ago, where murdering Afghan civilians was defended, as they were only goat herders. Because that makes it OK somehow. Didja forget? In the America where I grew up, people are equal no matter what their occupation. Just because someone works in agriculture doesn't mean that they're evil people who deserve death. That's the Left's viewpoint.

Where'd you get the idea I support Obama? Certainly not from any of my comments. He was the most divisive president of my lifetime. He made us fight with one another with his hateful racial statements. His cabinet was appointed for him by Citigroup. And citing evidence that he was in favor of murdering civilians isn't disproving my argument.

You people are just really, really bad at arguing.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-11-12 16:43||   2019-11-12 16:43|| Front Page Top

#32 You people are just really, really bad at arguing.

Yep, we are more interested in exchanging ideas and arriving at conclusions than in winning an argument.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-12 16:50||   2019-11-12 16:50|| Front Page Top

#33 I give up.

Herb's either just bugging you all for fun, or he's really one o' those amazing people they show you in horror movies. The kind who stop their cars to see if the tall man with a machete needs their help.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-11-12 17:14||   2019-11-12 17:14|| Front Page Top

#34 Those damn neocons and their never-ending war on animal husbandry!
Posted by SteveS 2019-11-12 18:09||   2019-11-12 18:09|| Front Page Top

#35 #33: the next-to-lowest level of the pyramid of debate, ad hominem. Attacks the characteristics or authority of the writer without addressing the substance of the argument.

I mean, you literally invented that part about the horror film. You made it up, assigned it to me, and criticized me for what you made up. This is literally strawmanning.

You don't have any arguments because I don't think there are any. Murdering innocents is always wrong, and people who advocate for the murder of innocents are evil people. Hopefully you can have a "heel realization" and come to understand this, and turn around and get better. Few things are more crushing than realizing that you're one of the bad guys.

Hans... are we the baddies?"
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-11-12 19:15||   2019-11-12 19:15|| Front Page Top

#36 Oh yeah, we're "the bad guys". Wonder why you're so disliked, you smarmy lil defeatist troll? Exhibit one
Posted by Frank G 2019-11-12 19:55||   2019-11-12 19:55|| Front Page Top

#37 So the "herb" part of his name is for the pot he's constantly smoking? Explains a lot.

Herb, you're the one on the side that claims every group of military-aged males moving around a war zone after dark is just a bunch of goat herders, and that every time a pack of idiots fires on an aircraft and gets what they deserve it was just a wedding with the "traditional" gun sex. Stop believing the lies pushed by the enemies of civilization, and maybe you'll encounter less hostility.

(The point of the "goat herders" line is that they obviously weren't. You don't need a dozen men, ages 15-30, out at night to tend to goats. In fact, any sane goat farmer brings their flock in for security, especially in a fricking war zone. Occam strongly suggests that the group of men were actually combatants, but for some reason some people will buy the most transparent lies if it makes the US look bad.

And, yes, you ARE a tool of the anti-Americans. You're just hiding behind "America First" as a fig leaf, unwilling to admit Islam declared war on us from day one of our founding.)
Posted by Rob Crawford 2019-11-12 20:07||   2019-11-12 20:07|| Front Page Top

#38 I suppose Herb will not be buying pizza for IDF?
Posted by European Conservative 2019-11-12 20:11||   2019-11-12 20:11|| Front Page Top

#39 "Murdering innocents is always wrong, and people who advocate for the murder of innocents are evil people."

Except the "goat herders" weren't innocents. They were combatants, likely unlawful ones. The people around here have been following these stories for 20+ years -- we've seen it all, and know better than to call for it.

Making fun of your naivete (real or feigned) isn't calling for the murder of innocents. It's making fun of the way some people fall for the most transparent propaganda. I bet you just break into tears when you see a pristine stuffed animal propped up bombed-out Hamas command post, er, "home".
Posted by Rob Crawford 2019-11-12 20:12||   2019-11-12 20:12|| Front Page Top

#40 Remember the "baby milk factories"?
Posted by European Conservative 2019-11-12 20:36||   2019-11-12 20:36|| Front Page Top

#41 Poor Herb believes every word that comes out of the enemies mouth gospel. If they said we killed women and children, it must be the truth Herb.

No chance that those bombs came from the other side, only to blame America for it?
Posted by bbrewer126 2019-11-12 21:43||   2019-11-12 21:43|| Front Page Top

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