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2022-04-03 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Pentagon Says There's No ‘Offensive' Bioweapons at US-Linked Ukraine Labs

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Posted by Besoeker 2022-04-03 05:35|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

The Pentagon funds labs in Ukraine through its Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA). According to a Pentagon fact sheet released last month, since 2005, the US has "invested" $200 million in "supporting 46 Ukrainian laboratories, health facilities, and diagnostic sites."

1. Why, after 17 years of US involvement and funding are we just now learning about this project ?

2. Under what line-item in the DTRA and DoD budget is this effort listed ?

3. Who specifically is in charge of monitoring, reporting, and safeguards ?

4. What period of time does the "$200 million" in funding cover? Is this a monthly, annual, or life of the current program investment ?

5. Is this project a 'stand-alone' project or is it linked to similar CDC and NIH domestic or overseas efforts ?

6. Prior to recent discoveries, has anyone in House or Senate committees been briefed on this 17 year effort ?

7. Is this a DoD Special Access Program ?

8. Besides the DTRA, what other US Government Agencies are involved or provide assistance (financial or otherwise) to this project ?

9. Is this project a 'bi-lateral' project involving other countries? If so, what other countries ?

10. Have specimines or bacterial pathogens from the Ukraine effort been transported to the US or other locations outside of Ukraine ?

11. Have specimines or bacterial pathogens from the US or other nations been transported to the Ukraine ?

12. It would appear the Congress has initiated an investigation of these activities. Who is in charge of the investigation and what is the timeline? Will classified or unclassified reports be forthcoming ?

Posted by Besoeker 2022-04-03 06:00|| 2022-04-03 06:00|| Front Page Top

#2 Pentagon caught with their collective pants down. Spin time is here.

Posted by Dale 2022-04-03 07:04|| 2022-04-03 07:04|| Front Page Top

#3 When get the info when they release John Kerry's military record.

[ever notice how stuff on that side of the aisle never seems to get leaked?]

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-04-03 07:25|| 2022-04-03 07:25|| Front Page Top

#4 "No Offensive weapon" ???? Is it just a defensive weapon? Or are they just researching unto supporting a bio war? A bullet in a gun is not offensive, its defensive, defending the person carrying the gun. Nuke weapons are a defensive weapon. This is just more of the pentagon talking out its ass!

Posted by 49 Pan 2022-04-03 09:21|| 2022-04-03 09:21|| Front Page Top

#5

"Pentagon Says There's No ‘Offensive' Bioweapons at US-Linked Ukraine Labs"

Where did we hear this before?
Didn't we hear pretty much the same carefully worded denial about the WUHAN Virus (aka Covid-19) from the same talking heads?

Offensive use versus Defensive use is a political dance around.

EG. I own a firearm that can used offensively or defensively depending on the situation.

Any weapon is no different.

Posted by NN2N1 2022-04-03 09:36|| 2022-04-03 09:36|| Front Page Top

#6 I can smell the stench of the "lawyerly denial" from way over here.

"I can say to you unequivocally there are no offensive biologic weapons...

But there *is* some seriously nasty shit you can use to brew one up

... in the Ukraine laboratories that the United States has been involved with,"

We do this sort of work thru cutouts - like contractors and foreign governments. Our hands are clean.

Posted by SteveS 2022-04-03 10:32|| 2022-04-03 10:32|| Front Page Top

#7 There is a difference between having bioweapons and offensive bioweapons. Most labs will not transport the samples and have the military and civilian detection equipment shipped to them to verify it works, how well and what needs tweaked. They may also test antibody kits as well.

An offensive weapon means it has been weaponized, i.e. stabilized and put in a suspended state like a powder or such, loaded into a delivery device and ready for deployment.

Now all that being said given the government's track record on being honest what they have been doing with shit like this, looking at you China and Fauchi, I trust their collective asses as far as I can throw them.

Posted by DarthVader 2022-04-03 10:53|| 2022-04-03 10:53|| Front Page Top

#8 Tell me why we should believe anything coming out of Washington and this administration?

Posted by JohnQC 2022-04-03 11:25|| 2022-04-03 11:25|| Front Page Top

#9 officials have said the labs could contain pathogens leftover from the Soviet Union's bioweapons program

"I swear we were just watching it for them."

Posted by Dron66046 2022-04-03 12:35|| 2022-04-03 12:35|| Front Page Top

#10 I suggest an offensive bioweapon would be contagious (Smallpox) whereas a defensive bioweapon would be deployed in an exposure environment for individual consumption (Anthrax).

For example, the Chernobyl Russians were individually irradiated in an exposure environment but could still contaminate others. Is this offensive or defensive?

Posted by Skidmark 2022-04-03 14:27|| 2022-04-03 14:27|| Front Page Top

#11 Anything the US does would be said to be defensive, even if the research could easily be used offensively. We're the good guys, remember.
Snort.

Posted by Crumble Thrique2167 2022-04-03 14:57|| 2022-04-03 14:57|| Front Page Top

#12 Our biological weapons programs are inoffensive.
We try not to offend anyone until they do something that offends us.

Posted by Crumble Thrique2167 2022-04-03 14:59|| 2022-04-03 14:59|| Front Page Top

#13 I studied Chem, Nuke and Bio weapons at a Navy school. Bio was puzzling to me. The countermeasure wash down system would have been the response to a spray, but attacking a destroyer with a crop duster seemed to be unlikely at the time. Poisoning the crew seemed like a possibility, but we were libel to do that ourselves. Enhancing and releasing a general plague to randomly depopulate the world seemed like it would serve no one, yet here we are. I was a naive young man.

Posted by Super Hose 2022-04-03 16:17|| 2022-04-03 16:17|| Front Page Top

#14

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-03 16:27|| 2022-04-03 16:27|| Front Page Top

#15 ^ now it comes reconstituted freeze-dried in a package.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-04-03 16:47|| 2022-04-03 16:47|| Front Page Top

#16 Don't forget the Sterno!

Posted by Skidmark 2022-04-03 20:00|| 2022-04-03 20:00|| Front Page Top

#17 Is the sterno for cooking or for drinking?

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-03 20:11|| 2022-04-03 20:11|| Front Page Top

#18 @#1 - Re: Item 7. I always thought, kinda-sorta, that DTRA was simply one big SAP.

Posted by DooDahMan 2022-04-03 20:43|| 2022-04-03 20:43|| Front Page Top

#19 Is the sterno for cooking or for drinking?

Cooking. Engine coolant is for drinking, along with mouthwash. Does not everyone know this?

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