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2022-04-06 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Zelenskiy Says Post-war Ukraine Will Emulate Israel, Won't Be ‘Liberal, European'

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Posted by Omomolet Phutch9064 2022-04-06 00:00|| || Front Page|| [7 views ] Top

#1 The poor man's confused. Partitioned, destroyed, beaten, desperately poor and dependent Ukraine's going to be like Gaza, not Israel.

Russia will be Israel to Ukraine's Gaza.

The Donbas republics will be like the West Bank settlements.

Posted by Helmuth, Speaking for Bonaparte1955 2022-04-06 00:39|| 2022-04-06 00:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Why is there unasked-for editorial commentary attempting to discredit the media outlet? The source is Zelensky's own words. Here are some more of his own words:

Zelenskyy has been highly critical of Israel’s approach to the war, his ambassador to Israel telling reporters several days into the invasion that the president, as a Jew, “has much higher expectations of Israel than Israel can deliver.”

Since the outbreak of the war in Ukraine, Israel has carefully walked a diplomatic tightrope in an attempt to comply with American demands to speak out against Russia’s actions while simultaneously avoiding alienating Moscow – which allows the Israeli Air Force to carry out strikes against Iranian targets in Syria.

Zelenskyy brushed aside those concerns during a remote address to the Knesset last month, demanding that Israel arm his country and remove limits on Ukrainian immigration imposed since the invasion.
“What is this? Apathy? Calculations? Or mediation without taking a side? I’ll let you answer that question, but I want to point out that apathy kills, calculations can be incorrect. You can mediate between countries, but not between good and evil,” he said.

Zelenskyy’s speech drew a harsh condemnation from Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who objected to his Ukrainian counterpart’s use of rhetoric comparing Russian actions to those of the Nazis, stating that “it is forbidden to compare anything to the Holocaust.”

Ukrainian leaders have described Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilians as genocide but, until recently, Israel has been reluctant to speak out against Russian actions.

Posted by Omomolet Phutch9064 2022-04-06 01:49|| 2022-04-06 01:49|| Front Page Top

#3 Why is there unasked-for editorial commentary attempting to discredit the media outlet?

They are called inline commentary. Rantburg is known for them.

Posted by badanov 2022-04-06 02:10|| 2022-04-06 02:10|| Front Page Top

#4 Am I nuts, or isn't that Herb? I only ask because if it is, that's about the most disingenuous question ever posed in all of human history.

Posted by Ebbinetch Cleger7103 2022-04-06 02:25|| 2022-04-06 02:25|| Front Page Top

#5 Omomolet Phutch9064, you weren’t to know, but Ha’aretz has all the problems, or faults of character if you will, of the New York Times. While their journalists (no mere reporters, they) demonstrate strong writing skills, their reporting is blindered by the stereotypical narratives common to the left around the world, which drives them to miss or ignore important stories and ditto important details of the stories they do report. If Hebrew is not one of your languages, I can recommend the Jerusalem Post, The Times of Israel, or Ynet as English languages Israeli news sites. I seem to recall the in Times of Israel also has a Russian language version — the other two might also, so that’s something to look into is your Russian is better than your English.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-04-06 02:50|| 2022-04-06 02:50|| Front Page Top

#6 Ukrainian leaders have described Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilians as genocide

Didn't Zelensky himself press every citizen into his war, hand them half filled mags and order them to fight?

Who's really responsible for the deaths of untrained people pressured into facing Russian armored and infantry?

Being of Jewish descent does not entitle you to sainthood of some sort. We know about another 'jew' who... Aahhh fcuk it.

Posted by Dron66046 2022-04-06 04:48|| 2022-04-06 04:48|| Front Page Top

#7 #6 Didn't Zelensky himself press every citizen into his war, hand them half filled mags and order them to fight? Who's really responsible for the deaths of untrained people pressured into facing Russian armored and infantry?

Exactly. Zelensky's behavior has nothing in common with the Israeli leadership. He is an actor who goes to Berlin and Tel Aviv and screams at people, trying to shame them with hysterics. It's a kind of emotional blackmail: "If you don't support us then you're guilty of committing another Holocaust."

This is another reason that Ukraine will become Europe's Gaza. Maximalist demands, maximal poverty, war without end.

Posted by Helmuth, Speaking for Bonaparte1955 2022-04-06 07:14|| 2022-04-06 07:14|| Front Page Top

#8 How does he spell his name? It seems different every time. And didn't he ask the world to outlaw the letter Z?

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-06 10:36|| 2022-04-06 10:36|| Front Page Top

#9 Being of Jewish descent does not entitle you to sainthood of some sort. We know about another 'jew' who.

Goodness knows that’s true. But on this case President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been throwing spaghetti at the wall in the hope that at least one of his arguments will stick, getting help for his beleaguered country. I don’t blame him for using an argument few other national leaders can.

How does he spell his name? It seems different every time.

Transliterations from another alphabet generally depend on what the transcriber hears — hence the variations until the news services settle on one of them. We see that all the time in reports from Israel — The Times of Israel and the Jerusalem Post have different style books for place and Arabic names. Ditto the several sites we use for reports on Iraq and Syria, making archives searches a bit more challenging.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-04-06 11:13|| 2022-04-06 11:13|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm just being a crank, TW. I say my name Murr-seck. A gigantic Russian named Raphael Sotak who taught German when I was a student at Shady Side Academy used to give me a bone-rattling slap on the back and tell me my name was pronounced Mor-check. Who was I to argue with a 7-foot tall 300-pound chelovek?

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-06 11:18|| 2022-04-06 11:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Why mention emulating Israel, which brings to mind decades of war with crazy neighbors? I would've said Switzerland which is famously neutral and at peace even with the Nazi's (I would say Sweden but their neutrality is looking shakier these days).

He's pushing the non-liberal, non European bit but I don't really see why.

Posted by ruprecht 2022-04-06 11:46|| 2022-04-06 11:46|| Front Page Top

#12 Swiss neutrality was military. Politically, they did whatever they needed to do to get by. And not just in the 1939-45 time frame.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-06 11:52|| 2022-04-06 11:52|| Front Page Top

#13 He's neither pushing any agenda nor declaring any future position. All he's doing is parroting what his handlers think the serfs want to hear.

Posted by Cesare 2022-04-06 18:42|| 2022-04-06 18:42|| Front Page Top

#14 Swiss neutrality worked because it was to hard to invade them. Check out the remainder , probably cold way bunkers, that are hidden all over Switzerland. Barns, haystacks and suck. Hard to pull a blitzkrieg on the Swiss going through the alps.

Posted by Chris 2022-04-06 21:19|| 2022-04-06 21:19|| Front Page Top

#15 Why? Because Rantburg has become a Russian propaganda outlet.

How hard is it to see?

Posted by Omaing Stalag1261 2022-04-06 21:35|| 2022-04-06 21:35|| Front Page Top

#16 ^ and here's (more) proof...

O Russia, the virgin eternal,
So gentle and fresh, ever-vernal
As Setsuko Hara
Or Scarlett at Tara
Or nutcracking KGB colonel!

Felt the lack of the genuine article very poignantly throughout Tea over Rice last night. Accept no substitutes!

Posted by Whomomp Fillmore7526 2022-04-06 22:05|| 2022-04-06 22:05|| Front Page Top

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