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Belien: Nazis and Islamists
Posted by: tipper || 11/07/2007 06:31 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  is there any difference?????
Posted by: Paul || 11/07/2007 9:28 Comments || Top||

#2  The Nazis had sufficient shame left to pretend they were not engaged in genocide.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/07/2007 10:04 Comments || Top||

#3  The Nazis had spiffier uniforms.
Posted by: kelly || 11/07/2007 11:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Nazis wore hair short.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 11/07/2007 11:07 Comments || Top||

#5  It wasn't shame. They just didn't want anyone fussing until it was over.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/07/2007 11:25 Comments || Top||

#6  This story reminded me of a article I saw on Digg.com a while back. This might have been something the U.S. could have experienced had the allies not taken out Hitler and the Nazi's in 1945
PICTURE: Hitler's plans to bomb America in 1946

The Nazi's had turbine aircraft that was flyable, but did not use them until it was too late. Nova on PBS had a documentary on Hitler's Turbine engine development a few months back. The U.S. was also working on Turbine aircraft at the same time.


More on German Weaponry at Wikipedia
Posted by: Delphi || 11/07/2007 15:15 Comments || Top||

#7  unlike liberals and muzzies, Nazis were human
Posted by: Icerigger || 11/07/2007 16:52 Comments || Top||

#8  The similarities between Nazism and Islam are nothing short of profound. Here is a list of them I made and posted at Rantburg a few years ago:

1) Islamists seek to recreate Hitler’s “final solution” and routinely speak of “finishing the job” begun by the Nazis as reflected in connections between the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini, Yasser Arafat and Adolph Hitler. This vile goal and its complement, Holocaust Denial, represent a central feature of these evil ideologies.

2) To this day, Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” remains among one of the best-selling books in the MME (Muslim Middle East).

3) Restoration of lost glory with respect to the Caliphate or the reconstruction of post-WWI Germany’s Reich both represent similar goals whose attainment would mean death on a massive scale for the globe’s population.

4) Assigning blame to the Jews for lack of success is used as a misdirection and scapegoat with regard to the actual faults of poor leadership or failed military adventurism.

5) Cultural purity as a dominant theme of philosophical chauvinism to elevate existing ideology above any possible dissent or questioning as personified by German “übermensch” or Islamic "purity" and its jihadist mentality.

6) The tacit approval shown by both moderate Muslims and WWII Germans for absolutism and the atrocities committed in its name despite any infrequent outward condemnation made by either of them.

7) The impossibility of negotiating with Nazis or Islamists due to their ideological mandates and pursuit of global dominance.

8) A one-party system mirrored in Islam by an absolute prohibition of apostasy under penalty of death.

9) The routine use of atrocities and crimes against humanity as legitimate tools of war.

10) Commingling religious tenets and fascist doctrine with the intent of disguising political ideology as theistic creed.

11) The imperative aspect of totally eliminating such a dire threat to world peace.

12) The totally unacceptable nature of appeasing or coexisting with such a dangerous mindset.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/07/2007 17:46 Comments || Top||

#9  OTOH, WAFF.com > HOWARDFRENCH.com - LETTER FROM CHINA:WHAT IF BEIJING IS RIGHT? Is Big Govt, Authoritarianism-Totalitar + all-powerful Central Party-State better than sectarian-rifed, "politix before planning"? heavy Capitalism, DemoCapitalism, or Western Liberal Democracy, etc???? Also from WAFF.com > GERMANY AND THE ISLAMIST BOMB. D *** NG IT, Twasn't the FRENCH at all.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/07/2007 22:05 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
From Pakistan With Terror
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/07/2007 13:47 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
"Dennis Kucinich is on a quest of his own. He sees flying saucers and he acts like one, too"
Don Surber

That’s from Alcee Hastings. Suffice it to say, Democratic leaders are pissed at Dennis for bringing up impeachment . . .

Kucinich is an archtype of embarrassment to the party. He’s like the Crazy Aunt who spills all the family secrets. They want him to go back into the attic. Republicans are handing him a megaphone. Spill, Auntie Dennis, spill.
Meanwhile, the "nutroots" "netroots" (which is to say, the real face of the hard-core Angry Lefr Democrat party) is cheering him on and cursing the (relative) prudence of Pelosi and Hoyer.

. . . Steny Hoyer, who as the House’s No. 2 Democrat has taken over for the incompetent House Squeaker Nancy Pelosi, tried to kill the Kucinich impeachment resolution. Republicans were all set to help him until it occurred to them, screw Hoyer. What has he done for Republicans? Being portrayed as pulling the wings off children over SCHIP chaffed Republicans. So they decided to give Kucinich enough rope to hang all the Democrats.

86 Democrats were serious in voting for the resolution. 165 Republicans voted for the resolution just to send a message to Democratic leaders. Shelley Moore Capito was among the Republicans voting for the resolution.

Technically the motion was to table, so the 162 votes for tabling were against the resolution, while the 251 no votes were technically for the impeachment resolution.

Besides Kucinich and the rest of the Tinfoil Caucus of the Democratic Party, House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel voted for the impeachment resolution. . . .
Posted by: Mike || 11/07/2007 08:18 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He is The One. He will lead us out of the paranoid fascistic Bushitler snowglobe world we think we live in. He will save us from the reeducation camps and the chilling suppression of dissent.
OH MY GOD! IS THAT A BLACK HELICOPTER!!
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/07/2007 9:35 Comments || Top||

#2 

Dennis wants to TinFoil their [eLizabeth,is a 29-year-old hippie chick from London] entire HOUSE during vaction this year... stay tuned.
Posted by: Red Dawg || 11/07/2007 12:08 Comments || Top||

#3  If we are lucky this will cost them a LOT of the "Red' areas where they picked up house seats in 06 due to R's being porkers and weak on the border. I guess those that were voting to "teach a lesson" are now seeing how stupid a thing that was.

Have to hand it to the Republican Leadership - its great of them to switch and vote against tabling it. This forces the looney core of the hard left out into public focus in such a way that even the MSM can't hide it anymore.

POrescription for disaster for the Dems: That peopel actually find out what they REALLY stand for. (Hint look at Murth, and then at the people on the Dem side that cosponsored this).
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/07/2007 13:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Even my wife is unhappy about the Government continuing to operate under one Continuing Resolution after another. The appropriation bills never came to fruition from the start of the current Congress to the end of the fiscal year.

I don't think she'll be overly amused by this, either.
Posted by: eLarson || 11/07/2007 14:29 Comments || Top||

#5  Democratic Congress is like a "crazy aunt" who is dusting chairs on the Titanic while islamofascist proxies are waging war and while Iran is racing to get nukes and Pakistan is a danger.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/07/2007 22:12 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Stanley Kurtz: Al-Qaedastan
Long, three-part piece on the possibilities in Pakistan. Worth the read.
Posted by: || 11/07/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  given the size and strength of the Islamist threat, and given the unique social role of Pakistan’s army, a military government may be the only real bulwark against the potential disaster of a nuclear-armed al-Qaedastan.

Golly, effing, gee! Where have I ever heard that one before?!?

Military morale is at its nadir. And although Pakistan has suffered defeats in war, there is no historical precedent for this sort of collapse of morale and discipline.

Someone please note what major victories the Pakistani military has to its credit?

Unfortunately, the military is just about the only Pakistani state institution that actually works.

Oh, pluheese. Mass surrenders put the lie to that one toot sweet.

Pakistan’s military is an almost totally free-standing institution — a sort of state within a state. The military largely controls its own appointments, and even has independent sources of revenue which limit its reliance on public taxation — especially for its generous pensions and benefits system. At first, this amounted to, say, the Pakistani air force operating the nation’s air line industry. But under Musharraf, the military, both directly, and through its retired officers (who often leave service in their 40's), now controls vast sections of Pakistan’s state apparatus and economy — everything from universities, to the post office, to companies that make cement, soap, and even breakfast cereal.

Hellooooo, Red China!

If a nationwide Islamist assault awakes a sleeping giant of pro-sharia sentiment in Pakistan’s heartland, and also splits the army, the resulting chaos could put an Islamist state — or at least a nuclear bomb or two — within Osama’s reach.

Which could just as easily prove to be Pakistan's death knell. Be very, very careful what you wish for.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/07/2007 2:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Pakistan is an enemy today---a covert one. Maybe, it becoming an overt one, will lead to something being done about it.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/07/2007 2:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Zen, it is not clear to me that the 'mass surrenders' or other defeats of the Paki army in the NWFT indicate anything about the capabilities of the 'real' Paki army. Not only were those guys nowhere near the best Paki forces, it is possible they were not even really Paki forces at all - they may have 'volunteered' for the frontier guard just so they could surrender to the 'bunny forces and embarass Mushie (and get paid by both sides for so doing.)
This is not to say the real Paki army is 'good' - merely that one should not confidently say they are hopeless based on these examples.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/07/2007 8:28 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't see Pakistan as an enemy, not yet. I see Musharraf as being in the same sort of place as the Shah in 1978. WE may have to hold our noses at what he does to beat down the nuts because his losing power would be far worse.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/07/2007 13:38 Comments || Top||

#5  lets say, as is possible, that the military cuts and runs completely from the NWFP and hands it to AQ. How exactly does that give AQ nukes?

The nukes are presumably not located in NWFP. Is there any real chance AQ could take over Punjab or Sindh? If there is, Kurtz certainly hasnt made the case for it.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 11/07/2007 16:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Presume for a moment that Mushariff cuts off the NWFP, no news in or out, and lets the Yanks level it. How does that give AQ nukes either? Once that was done he could send in Pakistani troops to take credit and be ready for an election.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/07/2007 16:59 Comments || Top||


General’s defence
By Ayesha Siddiqa
The fear of what might happen in Pakistan has come true. On November 3, 2007, Pakistan’s General Musharraf imposed martial law in the country again. Government functionaries had been making statements over the past week about the possibility of an emergency. But although the action is termed ‘emergency’, the fact is that the 1973 constitution is now held in abeyance and the Provisional Constitution Order (PCO) is issued by the army chief and not the president, who is the only office-bearer with the power to impose an emergency.

According to Pervez Musharraf, he was forced to impose emergency due to the threat of terrorism and the irresponsible behaviour of the judiciary. He accused the supreme court judges of siding with the terrorists. The superior court’s decision to hand the management of the Red Mosque to the previous management was cited as a case in point. Furthermore, the supreme court had been forcing the government to free people who were picked up by the intelligence agencies and held without any trial or explanation. This judicial activism, according to the president, denotes the self-serving attitude of the judiciary, which has also been accused in the past of having ties with India. Indian diplomats and journalists stationed in Islamabad have been accused of supporting judicial activism in the country. Finally, the judiciary was accused of threatening economic development in the country.

But was Musharraf successful in selling his arguments to his country? Certainly not. No one is willing to believe that the general was moved by the state of affairs in the country and not by his own interests. That he wished to retain maximum political power as well as his uniform was the message that emerged from his recent actions. In any case, the supreme court’s proceedings in the missing persons’ case — which pertains to all the people picked up by the intelligence agencies for involvement in terrorism or other unexplained reasons — are in public interest and not to strengthen the judiciary. What is even more interesting is the fact that the judge who decided in favour of the Red Mosque, Justice Nawaz Abbasi, has been sworn in under the PCO. So the issue is not of the judiciary supporting extremists, but Musharraf using this as an excuse.

There is also no evidence that economic growth was threatened. The growth figures were stable, and there was no real negative movement in the stock exchange. The only issue that the president could possibly be referring to is the steel mill case. The government was hell-bent on selling an expensive state asset to some parties who were reportedly close to the banker prime minister, Shaukat Aziz. The judiciary can certainly be accused of blocking such a deal and pulling up the government for disposing of state assets through a process which lacked transparency and accountability.

Since the government has cited the threat of economic downturn as a reason, it will now make all efforts to stop the stock exchange from crashing on Monday and convince investors not to withdraw funds. It may even try to inject funds to prop up the stock markets. There can, however, be no denying that the declaration of emergency does not bode well for the country, its institutions and society. Talk to people on the streets and they will tell you how this is just an act of self-protection on the general’s part and a move to protect the interests of the armed forces.

However, growing public resentment against the military would indicate a wrong reading of the situation: the bulk of the officers and soldiers do not benefit from this decision. Members of the armed forces are conscious of the impact this decision will have on their own reputation. According to one unnamed source, Musharraf stands alone in this decision. Indeed, he looked very shaky in delivering his speech on television on Saturday night.

Therefore, although he claims to have made this decision in “national interest”, there aren’t too many takers for this argument. What might now prolong his rule a bit further is the lack of political activism of the political parties. Despite Benazir Bhutto’s statement to launch a movement, there is no sign as yet that the PPP leadership will bring its supporters out on the streets. It is hoped that Benazir Bhutto does not eventually settle for continuing her partnership with the general.

The other pillar of Musharraf’s support is the US, which has been strategically less vocal on the development. Except for a show of concern, nothing substantive has been said by Washington. They might not have supported this decision to impose an emergency, but the US government is still not willing to abandon their man in Islamabad. After all, the political deal between the PPP and Musharraf would have benefited the US and enabled it to fight the war on terror with the help of a civil-military partnership in Pakistan.

As for Pakistan itself, it faces yet another critical moment in its history.

The writer is the Islamabad-based author of ‘Military Inc, Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy’
Posted by: john frum || 11/07/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


Partition's ghost haunts Pakistan
By Tarun Vijay

Two headlines on The New York Times this week caught my attention. One said, 'Hello, India? I Need Help With My Math.' It was about how Indian tutors sitting in cities like Chennai are helping American children in Washington and California get good grades in math.

The other headline, about America's blue eyed regime, screamed, 'Pakistan Rounds Up Musharraf's Political Foes' and detailed the state of emergency clamped there.

What a difference between two State powers that were born simultaneously!

One was separated because it did not want to remain 'shackled' to a Hindu majority nation. 'We are a separate Qaum (identity), we are Muslims,' roared Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Even Iqbal, the poet who wrote Sare Jahan Se Acchha Hindustan Hamara ('Our India is the greatest'), wrote a foundational theory justifying the creation of a separate nation and redrafted his immortal lines into 'Sare Jahan Se Acchha Pakistan Hamara'.

Mahatma Gandhi is still anathema in Pakistan though he fasted unto death, annoying both his disciples Jawaharlal Nehru and Vallabhbhai Patel, forcing them to give Rs 52 crores -- Rs 520 million, a mammoth amount in those times -- as a 'loan' to newborn Pakistan. But Iqbal, the arch supporter of our motherland's division, remains a much revered icon in India in whose memory all governments -- including the Bharatiya Janata Party's -- are pleased to give high awards to Urdu poets.

An all-inclusive Hindu majority nation with an astounding continuity of tradition that defines applied democracy and freedom of thought remains a helpless spectator to the plight of its neighbour, which was considered an inseparable part of India till 60 years ago, and which has fought four bloody wars with us.

Pakistan's Islamic dream has gone sour miserably.

It got further divided in 1971, giving birth to another jihad factory, Bangladesh. Like any other Muslim majority country the world over -- Turkey provides an exception, for many other reasons although -- it has an Islamic obsession to wield the gun and teach the West and the Hindu-Jewish combine a lesson.

In Karachi, the brave journalists keep writing books like Who Owns Pakistan? Or Pakistan -- Between America, Army and Allah (in that order), and Taliban-a Bane or a Boon? Those who care for a reasonably modest Islamic republic have accepted intermittent periods of a nascent democracy, army rule and judicial games -- giving a semblance of constitutional regime -- while human rightists present well-prepared papers in Delhi seminars and give wishful speeches at glamorous media summits.

A leader is allowed in, ostensibly because Big Brother in Washington 'approved' her politics and the other is shunted off from the airport itself, exiled to a State run by the protector of two holy mosques. India, the nation they derided and disapproved of, is emerging as the genuine friend and 'apne log' to the common Pakistani. Indians find warmth and light in a living democracy where every shade and colour finds a space to shine, notwithstanding fringe extremism in stray corners.

Pakistanis are bewildered to see a prominent road in Aurangzeb's memory and almost a ban on naming any important point after Dara Shikoh! 'I can't believe it,' exclaimed a Karachi-based journo, our guest. That's India, a Hindu majority, attacked and assaulted by Pakistan immediately after a Partition that Hindus didn't want. The kind of gory massacres and loot that occurred during Partition and then in Mirpur and Muzaffarabad, beginning October 27, 1947, is a holocaust that is still etched in the minds of survivors. Yet, the average Indian exudes warmth and closeness to a Pakistani citizen, and vice versa.

For Indians, it is an unbelievable experience to find common Pakistanis reaching out to them in pure affection. My Karachi, Lahore [Images] and Balochistan trips are full of such unforgettable memories of welcome. And none of the visits was government sponsored. The same happen when a Pakistani visits us. Indians try to walk the extra mile to show their neighbours love and a trust in unbreakable ties.

Isn't it surprising? Two people separated by faith and mistrust, yet longing to see each other and willing to forget the unsavoury past? It is culture that binds Delhi, Karachi and Dhaka. Common festivals like Basant (spring) and even our choices of cuisine and couture unite us. That's why when I meet Pakistanis, often they say, 'Unless we leave these goras (foreigners) and bond, we can't progress.' India and Pakistan as friends can make progress together and leave the Europeans far behind. We have everything -- brilliance, youth, strength of a hardworking attitude, a land rich in resources and strategic location.

The hate, which in the name of a faith separated the worldview and turned twins into deadly foes, is now pointing the gun at their neck. We call it the Bhasmasur syndrome -- the demon that turns against its own. The Lal Masjid, Taliban, judicial 'firing,' frequent emergencies, hanging leaders, exiles and an uncertain course ahead. Was it this that Jinnah and Iqbal visualised?

Blood brothers live with a foreign colonialism to 'teach a lesson' to the next-door neighbour, but can't accept what remains their own just because of a change in faith? Is that not reason enough to pause and ponder? Partition has become more visible 60 years later, and is showing its bloody colours to the children who never created it.

It is a lesson for all of us; hate and extremism can destroy, but they can never help a people bloom.

Tarun Vijay is Editor, Panchjanya, the Hindi weekly published by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS)
Posted by: john frum || 11/07/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Chop, chop, chop.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/07/2007 2:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Unless we leave these goras (foreigners) and bond

I think the Pakis are talking about Arabs, not Europeans. Although it's predictable that a leftist Indian would interpret it in that way.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/07/2007 4:25 Comments || Top||

#3  I think the Pakis are talking about Arabs, not Europeans

Not much of a difference between the two anymore. OooK, well lets just say less of a difference than there once was.
Posted by: Unutle McGurque8861 || 11/07/2007 4:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Although it's predictable that a leftist Indian would interpret it in that way.

He is the editor of the RSS weekly !

wikipedia RSS article
Posted by: john frum || 11/07/2007 5:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Unless we leave these goras (foreigners) and bond...

"Gora(s)" is actually Hindi for fair skinned person, regardless of origin. Depending on context, it can also just mean fair, as in, light in color.
Posted by: Zebulon Snaick2548 || 11/07/2007 11:06 Comments || Top||



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Wed 2007-11-07
  Swat's Buddha carving has been decapitated
Tue 2007-11-06
  Suicide bomber kills scores in northern Afghanistan
Mon 2007-11-05
  Around 60 Taliban, four police dead in Afghan attacks
Sun 2007-11-04
  Opp vows to resist emergency
Sat 2007-11-03
  Musharraf imposes state of emergency
Fri 2007-11-02
  Anbar leaders visit US, stress partnership
Thu 2007-11-01
  Bus bomb kills eight, injures 56 in Russia
Wed 2007-10-31
  Iraqi Special Forces Detains AQI Commander in Khadra
Tue 2007-10-30
  Crew of North Korean Pirated Vessel Regains Control
Mon 2007-10-29
  Baghdad: Gunmen kidnap 10 anti-al-Qaida tribal leaders
Sun 2007-10-28
  80 Talibs escorted from gene pool at Musa Qala
Sat 2007-10-27
  Pakistani forces launch offensive against militants in Swat valley
Fri 2007-10-26
  Mehsuds formally ask army to leave Tank compound
Thu 2007-10-25
  India jails 31 for life over 1998 blasts
Wed 2007-10-24
  Binny demands reinforcements for Iraq


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