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-Short Attention Span Theater-
RIP, Stove Top Stuffing lady
Thanks, Ruth. I ¢Ÿ Stove Top Stuffing! I hope Lileks will Bleat about this tomorrow.
Ruth M. Siems, a retired home economist whose best-known innovation will make its appearance, welcome or otherwise, in millions of homes tomorrow, died on Nov. 13 at her home in Newburgh, Ind. Ms. Siems, an inventor of Stove Top stuffing, was 74. Ms. Siems (pronounced "Seems") spent more than three decades on the staff of General Foods, which introduced the Stove Top brand in 1972. Today, Kraft Foods, which now owns the brand, sells about 60 million boxes of it at Thanksgiving, a company spokeswoman said.

Comforting or campy, Stove Top stuffing is an enduring emblem of postwar convenience culture. Stove Top's premise is threefold. First, it offers speed. Second, it divorces the stuffing from the bird, sparing cooks the nasty business of having to root around in the clammy interior of an animal. Third, it frees stuffing from the yoke of Thanksgiving; it can be cooked and eaten on a moment's notice any day of the year.

In 1975, General Foods was awarded United States Patent No. 3,870,803 for the product, generically called Instant Stuffing Mix. Ms. Siems is listed first among the inventors, followed by Anthony C. Capossela Jr., John F. Halligan and C. Robert Wyss.

The secret lay in the crumb size. If the dried bread crumb is too small, adding water to it makes a soggy mass; too large, and the result is gravel. In other words, as the patent explains, "The nature of the cell structure and overall texture of the dried bread crumb employed in this invention is of great importance if a stuffing which will hydrate in a matter of minutes to the proper texture and mouthfeel is to be prepared." A member of the research and development staff at General Foods, Ms. Siems was instrumental, her sister Suzanne Porter said, in arriving at the precise crumb dimensions - about the size of a pencil eraser.

Ruth Miriam Siems was born in Evansville, Ind., on Feb. 20, 1931. She earned an undergraduate degree in home economics from Purdue University in 1953, and after graduation took a job at the General Foods plant in Evansville, where she worked on flours and cake mixes. She moved to the company's technical center in Tarrytown, N.Y., not long afterward. Ms. Siems retired in 1985. As a mark of just how deeply inscribed on the American palate Ms. Siems's stuffing has become, there are several recipes, available on the Internet, that promise to reproduce the taste of Stove Top from scratch, using fresh ingredients.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/23/2005 19:33 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Er, that's "I (heart) Stove Top Stuffing." It looked better in the editing screen.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/23/2005 19:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Sea, i thought it was an unmentionable 4 letter word. [related to stuff, and sounds like....]

Posted by: Red Dog || 11/23/2005 20:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Third, it frees stuffing from the yoke of Thanksgiving...

Free the stuffing!

In our house we called it "dressing", and it never went inside the bird, but into a separate dish. You don't have to have a bird at all, just some canned chicken broth, or bouillon. I made it ahead of time myself like that today, although for some reason my mother always insisted on making her own broth out of a chicken.

Personally, though, I prefer potatoes.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 11/23/2005 21:11 Comments || Top||

#4  my ex-mother-in-law (a delightful lady of Mexican ethnicity) could never remember the name, and always called it "up your stove" dressing...with complete sincerity :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 11/23/2005 22:25 Comments || Top||


Michael Jackson Finally Reveals the Source of All of His Troubles: Jews
Michael Jackson picked a familiar target to blame for his mounting money problems - the Jews. In phone messages obtained by ABC News, the apparently prejudiced pop star likens them to "leeches" and claims they conspired to leave him "penniless." "They suck...they're like leeches...I'm so tired of it," Jackson tells former adviser Dieter Wiesner in one of them. "The Jews do it on purpose."

The ugly message, which was made two years ago and aired yesterday on "Good Morning America," was one of several provided by Wiesner's lawyer, Howard King. Wiesner and another former Jacko adviser, Marc Schaffel, were fired by the singer and are suing him to recoup the millions they say he owes them. Jackson had to apologize to Jewish groups a decade ago after he included lyrics like "Jew me/Sue me/Everybody do me/Kick me/Kike me" on the song "They Don't Care About Us." Jackson, who relocated to Bahrain after he was acquitted of child molesting charges, did not respond to the revelations.
No wonder he's welcome there

Brian Oxman, a Jackson family attorney, insisted in a statement that the messages were actually "telephone conversations recorded without permission."
so therefore he didn't say it.

Jackson used Schaffel and Wiesner to get around the restrictions his bankers imposed to keep the free-spending freak from going broke, according to King. "Hello Marc, it's Michael," Jackson tells Schaffel in one message. "Please, please never let me down. I really like you. I love you...Mark, I really need you to get...seven million for me as soon as possible . . . Seven, seven and a half, umm, as an advance."
Posted by: Cherenter Clairt9988 || 11/23/2005 10:18 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...as reported in the "Hymie Town New York Daily News".
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/23/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Jackson used Schaffel and Wiesner to get around the restrictions his bankers imposed to keep the free-spending freak from going broke . . .

Don't hold back, kids, tell us what you really think of him.
Posted by: Mike || 11/23/2005 12:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Pathetic attempt to boost sales in the middle east?
Posted by: MunkarKat || 11/23/2005 12:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Arab culture in Bahrain most likely fits Michael like a glove. Blame Jews, blame America, give lip service to Allan all the while the sheiks discreetly provide him with all the young Arab boy booty his little pecker can handle.
Posted by: Evil Elvis || 11/23/2005 13:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Do you realize that if he croaked in 1985 he would be a revered pop icon of not only freaks, but most of us normal people too. Timing is everything when it comes to historical reputation.
Posted by: Penguin || 11/23/2005 16:19 Comments || Top||

#6  Michael Jacksoffon stands as a pluperfect example of self-immolation. This stupid sonofabuck could not ruin himself better if he set his own face on fire and used a track shoe to put it out. He is so twisted that he can use a corkscrew for a ruler.The Jews are no more responsible for his self-destruction than the Dali Lama. Fortunately, I have never liked his music and view his glam-rock pop drivel as having approximately value equal to thug rap.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/23/2005 17:13 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm hoping he makes a visit to Cambodia.

He can join Gary Glitter on the gallows in Phnom Penh prison.

Posted by: john || 11/23/2005 17:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Scary Penguin, and exactly Z
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2005 18:46 Comments || Top||

#9  Michael Jackson might be an Arab's dream creature.

If you want a woman

If you want a man

If you want a white

If you want a black

whatever you want, he's got it
Posted by: mhw || 11/23/2005 19:06 Comments || Top||

#10  And if you want a goat?

Sorry.. that is a pak fetish...

Posted by: john || 11/23/2005 19:19 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm Broke! (Grab Grotch) Heeeee!!!!
Posted by: Michael Jackson || 11/23/2005 23:38 Comments || Top||

#12  According to Chris Rock, Jacko is the scariest old white woman in America.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/23/2005 23:56 Comments || Top||


Tales from the Kaliningrad Vice Squad
Two professors have been found dead in an apartment that had been turned into a porn studio. Homemade porn films and photos were found in the apartment along with an index with pictures and telephones of the professors’ students.
No doubt a research project for extra credit
The incident took place in the Russian Westernmost enclave of Kaliningrad, the Interfax news agency reports. The professors were a married couple and apparently died a violent death — forensic experts said that both were killed with a blunt weapon.
Watch the "blunt weapon" jokes, ok?
Upon searching the victims’ apartment, policemen discovered a large number of video cassettes with homemade porn as well as hardware and instructions for making films at home.
Which CSI Kalingrad will be reviewing during the staff Christmas party
An index of student’s photos with addresses and phone numbers was also found. Police say that the professors’ apartment was possibly used as a home porn studio.
"Genius, Holmes! How do you do it?"
Posted by: Steve || 11/23/2005 10:07 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No cut for the Russian mob?
I hear they don't like when that happens...
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/23/2005 12:39 Comments || Top||

#2  ...forensic experts said that both were killed with a blunt weapon.

Baseball bat, perchance?
Posted by: mojo || 11/23/2005 15:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Hell, maybe they are not only the directors, but the stars of their very own snuff film.
Posted by: Penguin || 11/23/2005 16:21 Comments || Top||


Heidi Fleiss' Brothel Plan Not Consummated
LAS VEGAS - The former "Hollywood Madam" wants to get back in the game on her own in Nevada. Heidi Fleiss says a partnership has gone sour, but she still wants to open a brothel featuring male prostitutes catering to female customers. She tells the Las Vegas Review-Journal she wants to call it "Heidi's Stud Farm."

Fleiss ran a high-priced Hollywood prostitution ring for actors and the rich before being convicted in 1995 of money laundering, tax evasion and attempted pandering. Nevada allows prostitution in some areas. It's unclear if Fleiss' felony conviction will make her ineligible for an operator's license for a brothel.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Heidi Fleiss' Brothel Plan Not Consummated

huumm..she prolly want locals for employees?

/;)
Posted by: Dawg || 11/23/2005 1:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Someone needs to tell Heidi that brick and mortar is so 80’s particularly with startup businesses. It’s the internet babe. Sex and the internet, who’d thunk?
Posted by: Thomock Clamble2028 || 11/23/2005 5:30 Comments || Top||

#3  a partnership has gone sour

Pulled out, did they?
Posted by: Steve || 11/23/2005 9:14 Comments || Top||

#4  MoDo is counting on this.
Posted by: Matt || 11/23/2005 11:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Heh, Matt. Having thoroughly neutered any XY's within her circle she probably would have a strong interest in Heidi's idea... or adding Duracell to her stock portfolio.

You should fire up Matt's Internet Diet Plan, lol, you certainly put the kabosh on my breakfast plans, lol. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 11/23/2005 11:13 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
U.S. Embassy Workers Return to Haiti
So who drew the short straw at State?
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) - The U.S. Embassy said Tuesday that security in Haiti has improved enough for diplomatic employees evacuated earlier this year to return in time for elections. The State Department in May and June ordered the evacuation of an unspecified number of employees and their families for security reasons.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I once thought about applying for a job at the state department. Then I realized I could be assigned to some nice place like, oh, say Haiti.

Pray for the sanity and health of whoever drew the short straw on this posting.
Posted by: N guard || 11/23/2005 1:11 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
East Asia allies doubt U.S. could win war with China

The overwhelming assessment by Asian officials, diplomats and analysts is that the U.S. military simply cannot defeat China. It has been an assessment relayed to U.S. government officials over the past few months by countries such as Australia, Japan and South Korea. This comes as President Bush wraps up a visit to Asia, in which he sought to strengthen U.S. ties with key allies in the region.

Most Asian officials have expressed their views privately. Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara has gone public, warning that the United States would lose any war with China.

"In any case, if tension between the United States and China heightens, if each side pulls the trigger, though it may not be stretched to nuclear weapons, and the wider hostilities expand, I believe America cannot win as it has a civic society that must adhere to the value of respecting lives," Mr. Ishihara said in an address to the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Mr. Ishihara said U.S. ground forces, with the exception of the Marines, are "extremely incompetent" and would be unable to stem a Chinese conventional attack. Indeed, he asserted that China would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons against Asian and American cities—even at the risk of a massive U.S. retaliation.

The governor said the U.S. military could not counter a wave of millions of Chinese soldiers prepared to die in any onslaught against U.S. forces. After 2,000 casualties, he said, the U.S. military would be forced to withdraw.

"Therefore, we need to consider other means to counter China," he said. "The step we should be taking against China, I believe, is economic containment."

Officials acknowledge that Mr. Ishihara's views reflect the widespread skepticism of U.S. military capabilities in such countries as Australia, India, Japan, Singapore and South Korea. They said the U.S.-led war in Iraq has pointed to the American weakness in low-tech warfare.

"When we can't even control parts of Anbar, they get the message loud and clear," an official said, referring to the flashpoint province in western Iraq.
As a result, Asian allies of the United States are quietly preparing to bolster their militaries independent of Washington. So far, the Bush administration has been strongly opposed to an indigenous Japanese defense capability, fearing it would lead to the expulsion of the U.S. military presence from that country.

On Nov. 16, Mr. Bush met with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. The two leaders discussed the realignment of the U.S. military presence in Japan and Tokyo's troop deployment in Iraq.

During his visit to Washington in early November, Mr. Ishihara met senior U.S. defense officials. They included talks with U.S. Defense Deputy Undersecretary for Asian and Pacific Affairs Richard Lawless to discuss the realignment of the U.S. military presence in Japan.

For his part, Mr. Ishihara does not see China as evolving into a stable democracy with free elections.

"I believe such predictions are totally wrong," Mr. Ishihara said
Posted by: Glavimble Glaish7143 || 11/23/2005 06:39 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Does anyone doubt this is a result of the Donks treason?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2005 7:31 Comments || Top||

#2  And the assessment is that the Chinese would win?

What happens when the key economic engine disappears? What happens when millions go unemployed in an urban environment with raising expectations? And those jobs shift to alternate countries which are not antagonistic to that world class economic engine and unlikely to return?

The observations seem to exclude several hundred years of Chinese history and internal tensions.
Posted by: Thomock Clamble2028 || 11/23/2005 8:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Mr. Ishihara said U.S. ground forces, with the exception of the Marines, are "extremely incompetent" and would be unable to stem a Chinese conventional attack.

Somebody want to check his sushi?
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/23/2005 9:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Some of the Dem comments don't help. But the administration has been able to conduct this war exactly as it chose - the Dems haven't been able to block or influence a bit of the policy, and for the most part were too frightened to try. To the extent the "we can't control parts of Anbar" type statements are valid, it's fair comment on our capabilities as demonstrated on the ground. The coverage can be blamed on the Dems and their ilk, but not the policy or performance.
Posted by: Unereting Uloluque4083 || 11/23/2005 9:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Define "win"...
Posted by: mojo || 11/23/2005 10:25 Comments || Top||

#6  "extremely incompetent"

Um...you might want to ask the Republican guard how incompetent the army is. Also, after the 1st Cav, 3rd ARC, 24th Inf. smash through your lines ask the Chinese again how incompetent the Army is, and the Air Force after they blow all your planes out of the sky, and the Navy, after they sink all your ships.

Morons...
Posted by: mmurray821 || 11/23/2005 11:31 Comments || Top||

#7  This is our politically correct ideas on warfighting coming home to roost. Istead of laying waste to our enemies, as we are obviously capable of doing, they sit around in a big Washington circle jerk and worry about killing "innocents" and "torture", instead of winning the damn thing.

Immediately after 9/11, Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, and Syria should have been destroyed. Instead, we go about pussyfooting around hoping it will make someone like us, instead of fear us.

Why should we lower ourselves to fight on the terms of our enemies. We invested trillions of dollars in an arsenal that, while ghastly, is supposed to protect us from attack. It turns out that due to our lack of testicular fortitude, it was money wasted.
Posted by: Texican || 11/23/2005 11:44 Comments || Top||

#8  You missed a cliff or two, Texican. But please, keep jumping.
Posted by: .com || 11/23/2005 11:51 Comments || Top||

#9  Just point me in the right direction .com, I'm in a jumping mood today.

While I'm at it, bombing Al-Jizzera is a good idea too!!
Posted by: Texican || 11/23/2005 11:54 Comments || Top||

#10  I share some of the implied sentiments, believe me, but this isn't a comic book - it's the real world. It is my take that this has nothing to do with testicular fortitude - the clash of civilizations will ramp up naturally, the IslamoNutz will insist I suspect, and the responses will be commensurate as long as we do have a President with stones*. Further, under that presumption, I suspect there will come a tipping point when people have had enough - and more drastic measure will be employed.

If we have a President who can't stomach the fight for the survival of freedom, then all bets are off, of course.

* No that's not a sexist statement but simply using the vernacular in line with the original comment.
Posted by: .com || 11/23/2005 12:14 Comments || Top||

#11  Governor Ishihara is known for being controversial. He also won't go much higher than the office he's in.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2005 12:22 Comments || Top||

#12  "I believe America cannot win as it has a civic society that must adhere to the value of respecting lives"

Underestimating our ruthlessness due to the current media circus that is the war on terror. The minority that is the moonbat brigade within America is actually just that, a minority.

He should be able to look at his own history to see what America is capable of when their backs are against the wall.
Posted by: Evil Elvis || 11/23/2005 13:47 Comments || Top||

#13  The Gub'ner's a second-rate button pusher at best.
Posted by: MunkarKat || 11/23/2005 15:13 Comments || Top||

#14  I hope the Chinese believe this.
Posted by: Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu || 11/23/2005 15:28 Comments || Top||

#15  why couldn't we win because they are good at having military parades?
Posted by: Jerelet Thineling2988 || 11/23/2005 16:02 Comments || Top||

#16  When the ball goes up, Chineses ports will be in a stranglehold blockade and all US debts will be invalidated (payback for 1949 confiscations x 1000). No exports, imports, or the money to pay for them makes takes the shine off the Chinese "miracle".
Posted by: ed || 11/23/2005 16:09 Comments || Top||

#17  Ishihara isn't "controversial". He's a "nationalist" gaijin-hating certified wackjob. This is roughly equivalent to that Arab press article from yesterday pushing David Duke as a representative voice of American politics. Especially considering that the article only quotes Ishihara directly, while claiming that other allies are stating this sort of thing privately.

Who is Insight Magazine? Some sort of new venture by the Moonies at the Washington Times?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 11/23/2005 16:57 Comments || Top||

#18  A Nationalist Red Ken of Japan, huh?
Posted by: .com || 11/23/2005 17:03 Comments || Top||

#19  China's 3 Gorges Dam is the #1 glass house on the planet. Recognizing that, any war would mean the end of southern china in the time it takes the flood to rage to the sea.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/23/2005 18:00 Comments || Top||

#20  uh oh - here comes a missive from the Flyash Liberation Army....
Posted by: Frank G || 11/23/2005 18:11 Comments || Top||

#21  Whoa doods, just back from a peek at a certain Turkish installation, the brothers are ready to rumble and crumble ifn you catch my drift. Drift! Yes! A little horizontal motion lotion is a relief to all concern. Now Brother Frank, don't fear the Fly Ash, it is your friend. But in all things proportions.
Posted by: Fly Ash Liberation Army || 11/23/2005 18:52 Comments || Top||

#22  Ishihara isn't "controversial". He's a "nationalist" gaijin-hating certified wackjob.

And to the Japanese, that's 'contraversial'.

I met Mr. Ishihara (briefly) at a social function once some years back. Let's just say the meeting was not a pleasant one and a mild embarassment to our host.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2005 21:02 Comments || Top||


China Repairing Japanese Embassy
Repair work on the Japanese Embassy building in Beijing began Tuesday, seven months after it was damaged by anti-Japan demonstrators in the Chinese capital. Several dozen windows which were broken during the April rally will be replaced during a period of two to three weeks, a Japanese Embassy official said.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sure took their time about it.
Posted by: gromky || 11/23/2005 0:21 Comments || Top||

#2  They had to steal the latest bugging gear first.
Posted by: .com || 11/23/2005 0:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Check where your latest motherboard or laptop was made.
Posted by: Phil || 11/23/2005 0:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Taiwan.. I go for a bit more quality.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/23/2005 18:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Indeed, know your contractors.
Posted by: Fly Ash Liberation Army || 11/23/2005 18:53 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Asshat: "No thanks, I'd rather flog myself"
This clown from Texas (Texas!) calls for a "national day of atonement" to replace Thanksgiving. I am somewhat sympatheic to the plight of Native Americans, but this is too much.

Talk of Native Americans reminds me of something from my past. Back in law school, a classmate wrote an article entitled "Why Being Drunk and on Welfare Doesn't Necessarily Make You an Indian" about one "tribe's" efforts to bring legalized gambling to Connecticut. That caused a bit of an uproar . . . .
Posted by: Tibor || 11/23/2005 10:25 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Not only is the thought of such a change in this white-supremacist holiday impossible to imagine, but the very mention of the idea sends most Americans into apoplectic fits..."

Isn't there 364 other days for this guy to perpetuate a climate of collective white guilt? This ranks up there with the anti-war protests on "Veterans Day" and the mayor of my home town who declared "Indiginous Day" on "Colombus Day".
Whatta douchebag!

Posted by: DepotGuy || 11/23/2005 11:52 Comments || Top||

#2  I am somewhat sympatheic to the plight of Native Americans, but this is too much.

I'm not, anymore.

I don't even blame Indians themselves for my not caring. I blame leftists like the "day of atonement" clown. I'm tired of them acting like the European migration into North America was any different than the Asiatic immigration into North America, like the Europeans somehow introduced violence into a pristine paradise.

I've heard people say -- seriously, to their children, as if they were imparting absolute facts -- that there was no war among the pre-Columbian tribes. My own father -- who grew up watching Gene Autry and whom I'd describe as bigoted in a lot of ways -- believes the British introduced scalping to North America. I won't even get into the idiocy of the "they lived in balance with nature" crap.

You want the truth? Look into the Crow Creek Massacre Site, Cahokia Mound 72, and Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump. Ask yourself what happened to human gene sets that existed in North America before the Asiatic migration, but disappeared shortly afterwards. Ask why settlements throughout the eastern US sprouted walls with bastions around 1300 AD.

And why is the need for atonement always focused on the US? The Spanish killed more people, with more speed, and tore apart two civilizations. The French were as bad as the English; they even destroyed the last remnant of the Mississippian cultures. Why not ride their asses for a while?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2005 11:57 Comments || Top||

#3  I reserve my special day of atonement for January 1st, in whch I promise to stop drinking for at least a day year.
Posted by: john || 11/23/2005 14:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I would like to get together with our RB British Buds and setup July 4th as the End of American History Day.

/1066 alla that
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2005 14:46 Comments || Top||

#5  Give 'em a copy of Civilization and Its Enemies by Lee Harris and a tall glass of STFU. The Indians, whatever their plusses and minuses, were a failed civilization. They were unable to protect themselves from foreign invaders and fell, just like so many civilizations before them. End of story.
Posted by: BH || 11/23/2005 16:18 Comments || Top||

#6  agreed, flogging way superior.


Tibor for Surgeon General 2008
Posted by: Red Dog || 11/23/2005 16:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Can I flog him some more when he gets tired and thinks he's done?
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/23/2005 16:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Can we trade him for the Saudi school teacher sentenced to 3 years and 700 lashes?
Posted by: ed || 11/23/2005 17:10 Comments || Top||

#9  BH brings up an interesting thought. The left is always talking about how great Darwanism yet they can't extend that thinking to cultural and societal Darwanism. Cultures that adapt survive better and no culture seems to adapt as well as Anglo-saxon culture.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/23/2005 18:55 Comments || Top||

#10  On the other hand they believe in Darwanism but constantly attempt to subvert it by protecting weak species and such so maybe they are consistant with their moaning about protecting weaker cultures as well.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/23/2005 18:56 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Lighting Bolton to UN: US Could Bypass If Reforms Don't Kick In
John R. Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, warned Tuesday that the United States might bypass the United Nations to solve some of the world's pressing problems if the organization is unable to make management changes that will make it more effective and prevent a recurrence of corruption.

Bolton's remarks come as the Bush administration is encountering stiff resistance from poor countries to United States-backed initiatives aimed at streamlining the United Nations' management practices. The influential Group of 77 developing nations recently issued a letter sharply criticizing plans by Secretary General Kofi Annan to establish an ethics office and to review General Assembly-created programs that are more than five years old to determine whether they should be shut down.
They sense a disturbance in the Force...


Posted by: Captain America || 11/23/2005 00:21 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bolton's remarks come as the Bush administration is encountering stiff resistance from poor countries to United States-backed initiatives aimed at streamlining the United Nations' management practices.

"Whaddya mean - 'no more skimming'?"
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2005 0:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Sharply criticizing plans for an ethics office and review of GA-created programs? Gosh, why would they object, much less sharply criticize? Clean programs that are effective and honest are good, right?

Lol.

Hey look! There's a dead rat on the kitchen floor!
Posted by: .com || 11/23/2005 0:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Heard a bit of a news item on Fox that if the UN doesn't get moving on reforms the US will start witholding funding.
Bout danm time!
Posted by: raptor || 11/23/2005 5:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Get the Japanese on board with the no funding thing.
Posted by: mojo || 11/23/2005 10:27 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm all for burning down the UN with all the UN asshats inside (Bolton would be outside with the match).
Posted by: mmurray821 || 11/23/2005 11:28 Comments || Top||

#6  I'd pay for the gas accelerants. I can spare it for something as worthy as this.
Posted by: .com || 11/23/2005 11:37 Comments || Top||

#7  Get the Japanese on board with the no funding thing.

They already are.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/23/2005 16:13 Comments || Top||

#8  John Bolton :

Excederin Headache #327
Posted by: BigEd || 11/23/2005 16:29 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Chinese Nationals Using Malaysia As "Transit" To Europe
The [Malaysian] Immigration Department believes that some Chinese nationals are using forged South Korean passports and Malaysia as a "transit-point" to get to Europe. Immigration Department Enforcement Director Datuk Ishak Mohamed said the dealings were done by agents who facilitated the Chinese nationals, most of whom came here on social visit passes issued by the government of China.

"They use South Korean passports as Chinese passports would make it difficult for them to gain entry into Europe," he said when met by Bernama here Tuesday. However, he believed the syndicate was operated by foreigners. He said the activities of the syndicate surfaced when the department detained 70 Chinese nationals during a recent operation.

"One incident involved 31 Chinese nationals who flew to Kuala Lumpur from Brunei. From KLIA they left for Istanbul. Immigration Officers there deported them after finding something amiss and later found out that they were using forged South Korean passports," he said.

Ishak also did not rule out the possibility that Chinese nationals were using forged Malaysian passports to enter European countries but reiterated that he had not encountered any such incident so far. Ishak was responding to a front-paged report in an English daily recently that some 50,000 Chinese nationals who had entered the country as tourists and overstayed this year had not checked out. However, he could not confirm a news report carried by an English daily today where it stated that more than 300 Chinese nationals, carrying tampered Malaysian travel documents, were doing time in several European Union countries for credit card fraud.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And to think, my Chinese friends look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them the reason it's so difficult to get a visa to America is because of situations like this. Get in on a tourist visa, and stay a lifetime. Police forbidden to check immigration status. They don't believe me.
Posted by: gromky || 11/23/2005 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  gromky: Police forbidden to check immigration status. They don't believe me.

It might help if you explained the unique American form of government. In most countries around the world, the mayor of a town reports to the governor, who reports to the prime minister or president. Therefore, a beat cop ultimately reports to the central government, which means he has to carry out its edicts.

Stateside, that is simply not true. The mayor of a town does not report to anyone except the voters. And a township policeman ultimately reports only to the mayor. Which means that the mayor is free to ignore directives to enforce federal immigration laws. What's more important is that the township's government is self-financing, anyway, typically from property taxes, parking tickets and other user fees, which means that the Feds can't even threaten to withhold money from its budget. Fundamentally, the Feds have no power to take over local government, except in a dire emergency (nuclear war would probably qualify). Even Katrina wasn't severe enough that most Americans thought the President should have seized the reins of power in the localities affected. Immigration violations are not a good enough reason for the federalizing of local police forces around the country.
Posted by: Elmenter Snineque1852 || 11/23/2005 2:26 Comments || Top||



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