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How is it that acid so damn readily available in Arab lands? Is this a common household item here in the US that I have just remained ignorant of in my 40 short years?
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In the name of Allan peace be up on him.
Heavy Metal! Rock on Doods! I love my tatoos but, Guys! Don't get some crappy black ink tats. Get good ones in full color. A tatoos come with a 6 month guarantee, 6 months after you are dead and gone, they will still be there. So pick your images carefully and don't get crappy work.
Allan be praised.
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Krispy Kreme has offered to reward students with a doughnut for every A on their report card - up to six per grading period... This works in so many ways.
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Dentists and Nutritionists accuse Krispy-Kreme of terrorism.
via Wired News (h/t Lucianne) EFL
Rachel Metz - 09:30 AM Aug. 23, 2004 PT BugMeNot.com, a site that helps web users get around website registration roadblocks, is back up after disappearing for several days because of server hosting issues. In an e-mail late Friday afternoon, the site's creator -- an Australian who has refused to disclose his identity for fear of legal repercussions -- wrote, "Bugmenot went down because our host pulled the plug inexplicably. I'm guessing external pressure." ...more...
I'm guessing he's dead right. I thought about posting this under Fifth Column. That may be where it belongs...
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A French former minister has said that he is "truly frightened" by the new European Constitution.
"Oh, hold me, Anne-Marie!"
In an interview with Le Figaro, Jean-Pierre Chevenement, who is a socialist and former interior and defence minister of France, condemned the text for being too economically liberal and in the area of common foreign and security policy of being a tool of "vassalisation to the US".
They forgot to add that Chevenement is also a dipshit...
Mr Chevenement said the treaty "would prevent all autonomous defence policy". All common defence will have to be "compatible with the security policy contained within the framework of NATO", said the former minister. "Moreover, the principle of reinforced co-operation between countries is subject to the agreement of the council and the European Parliament. The hope for a flexible Europe has therefore been nipped in the bud", said Mr Chevenement.
Wasn't it the Polish parliament that had a senate where any member had a veto? That wasn't recently, but a few hundred years ago. In fact, it was shortly before Poland ceased to have major influence in European affairs. I think their most notable contribution after the veto idea was Augustus II, who had as many illegitimate children as there are days in the year, or Augustus III, who took his daughter as his mistress...
He repeated his hope that the Constitution will be turned down by French citizens in next year's referendum by saying that he was certain that among the 25 countries concerned, some will reject the text. "I hope France is one of them", said Mr Chevenement. The former minister also lashed out at France's dwindling influence in the newly enlarged European Union. "France is marginalized. A Europe of 25 automatically means a majority for governments most subservient to the United States".
"... instead of being subservient to La Belle France..."
"France has only one commissioner now out of 25. It is undeniable that in this commission, the liberals and the atlanticists make up the lion's share".
Life's tough, ain't it?
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You're right, Fred. The veto wiped out Poland as a power, with no way to achieve consensus. From there on up, it was downhill all the way.
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Totally OT:
"Cheval" is horse, so what would "Chevnement" translate as? Horse-barn?
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Ugh, that site has the most unreadable text at 1024 by 768. The minister is a socialist named Jean-Pierre Chevènement, who thinks the constitution is too "economically liberal", which in euro-speak means the exact opposite of what it means in American English - too free-market, I think. He also seems to think that the proposed EU is too militarily dependant on NATO. A real France-First nationalist, to judge from the notice.
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Yeah, in Europe "liberal" has retained its original meaning.
Honest curiosity.Knowing what you know now,would Greece still want to hold this years' Summer Olympics?Have those absurd ticket prices you mentioned earlier been lowered?
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Raj> You meant to write "1 1/4 hours and you've just been stalked." And as a sidenote, I don't think that you stalking me is a good way to prove me *wrong* about the idea that a couple people are indeed stalking me across threads.
Shipman> The huge security budget (30 times the amount Atlanta spent I believe) and security measures necessary after 9/11 would probably make many folk reconsider the desire to get the Olympics.
But I don't know for certain how many people that would affect: That Greece should get to organize atleast one Olympiad again was a *very* popular thing, to the point of being a near-unanimous wish. If not *craving*. We failed to get them at 1996, and it would probably be a goblin pestering us on the whole "national psyche" if we had also failed to get them at 2004.
And on the whole Athens has been prettified and improved because of the Olympics I think.
As for the tickets, well there was absurd prices only in only *some* events. This Sunday I went to see the quite cheap (15 Euro for A class tickets) baseball match between Greece and Japan. (lost 6-1, but still got to see some nice home runs.)
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From what I've seen on the tube, Athens has done a good job. The events look good enough that even NBC can't ruin them. My 11-year old daughter is quite thrilled to watch everything, including the 4 am (our time) equestrian events.
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I know I pissed and moaned earliesr about the games but thanks to cable tv and, especially Canadien "cheese head" coverage I've really enjoyed the games. Greece should be proud!
The Velodrome is a work of art. I wish I could see it for real.
From Compass Direct
Nine months after he was beaten into a coma by ultra-nationalists opposed to his conversion to Christianity, Turkish Christian Yakup Cindilli has for the first time managed to make personal contact with his Protestant Christian acquaintances. .... Cindilli suffered a severe beating and head injuries last October in an attack led by the local chairman of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) in Orhangazi, a town 30 miles from Bursa in northwestern Turkey. Three of his attackers, jailed on battery and assault charges, accused the Turkish Christian of passing out New Testaments and doing "missionary propaganda" in his hometown.
After two months in a coma under intensive hospital care, Cindilli regained consciousness and was sent home to recuperate last December. His assailants have all been released. Criminal court hearings on the case have been postponed until next June. .... Although his friends noted Cindilli spoke rationally, he was not always able to pronounce his words clearly, reflecting the lingering effects of his two-month coma. He had also gained considerable weight over the past four months, a condition which he said was being caused by the medications he is now taking. On the emotional level, another said, "Yakup's manner was not exactly that of a child, but more like that of a young teenager." After months of recuperating at home as a near invalid, he was clearly delighted to be traveling around on his own, one observed. "He showed us that he did not have full use of his right arm," commented one of his friends, who said he could only raise the limb slightly above his head. "But he was able to walk normally and seemed to be in good spirits." ....
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EFL -- you just have to read this, it's Steyn, of course -- Whoa
Senator Kerry couldn't have foreseen that Al Gore would invent the Internet, and there'd be this Google thingy, and all you'd have to do is tap in a few words and a nanosecond later it would all be at your fingertips — veterans memoirs, Cambodian history, declassified Johnson administration documents, previous Kerry "stretchers" (as Mark Twain called them).
snip ... and in closing...
As the Times put it, "Mr. Bush himself also made the issue of military service fair game by posturing as a swashbuckling pilot when welcoming a carrier home from Iraq."
Well, the other feller made his military service fair game by posturing as a swashbuckling Swift Boat lieutenant to the exclusion of the other 59 years and eight months of his life. The story now is not John Kerry's weird secret-agent fantasies but the media's willingness to act as elite guardians of them. They're his real "band of brothers," happy to fish him out of their water, even if their credibility sinks in the process.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
Max Cleland, who made a staged appearance at the Bush ranch Wednesday, was appointed by President George W. Bush to the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank in 2003. The same Max Cleland who is spending nearly all of his time attacking President Bush is, amazingly enough, a Bush political appointee.
According to a bank spokesman, Cleland makes $136,000 a year off this very cushy job. A couple of questions come to mind here: If Cleland had any decency, wouldn't he resign? Why would he accept a political appointment from a man he so loathes and thinks represents the very worst in American politics? Max Cleland's extremely partisan activities are being subsidized by the American taxpayer.
But, wait, it gets more sinister. There is now a definitive link between President Bush and the attacks against him. This link is as direct as most of the links that have been highlighted between Bush and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Bush gave a $136,000 job to one of his attackers and a key member of Kerry's "band of brothers." By the logic of most of the press corps, this means George W. Bush must be responsible for the activities of Kerry campaign's band of brothers (see this chart). Who knows what deep game is being played here, but somebody should call the New York Times.
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I served twelve months with the Mobile Riverine Force, in the Mekong Delta, during 1968 and 1969, manning automatic weapons on an Armored Troop Carrier. During the first three months of 1969, I operated in and around the little village of Ha Tien, at times, with Kerry's Coastal Division 11 Swift Boats. If one of the men I served with was running for President, I would be extremely proud. If there was any way I could support him for President, I would. The bonds that are formed in combat are special. They are strong. For the men that served in Kerry's unit to state that he is unfit for command cannot and should not be brushed off as "partisan politics." It is not a "Republican vs. Democrat", or "conservative vs. liberal" issue. They aren't doing it for money. It is personal. The Swift Boat Vets are men who came to know John Kerry in the crucible of war and saw things in John Kerry that are so disturbing, that they cannot sit quietly.
have read John Kerry's "Tour of Duty." He reminds me of a popular cartoon in Vietnam, the "Saigon Warrior". The "Saigon Warrior" cartoon figure had his helmet pushed down over his shaded eyes, ammunition belts crossing his puffed out chest, a sword in one hand and his M-16 in the other. He was a caricature.
If you served in Vietnam, you don't have to read "Unfit for Command" to question Kerry's record. His own book; "Tour of Duty" will do that.
The book often refers to his four month stint on the Swifts as Kerry's "second tour", since he had spent time on "the guided-missile frigate U.S.S. Gridley, aboard which he visited Vietnam for the first time in March 1968." He states in his book; "Every day that the Gridley patrolled the Gulf of Tonkin an enemy attack was remotely possible." The Gridley steamed in the Gulf of Tonkin, also known as "Yankee Station." I served on the U.S.S. Enterprise, in the Gulf of Tonkin. No self-respecting sailor who served "in-country" would have considered a tour at "Yankee Station" as a tour of duty in Vietnam, unless you were a Navy pilot.
On page 179, there is a reference to an incident that occurred on October 14th. Page 181 begins with; "Only a few weeks later, Kerry, on a PCF-44 patrol, observed four troop battalions from the Ninth Infantry Division at Dong Tam and five Mobile Riverine Force squadrons staging an assault for the benefit of Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird. "To facilitate putting on a good show, an area was picked out for the landing where the chance of guerilla contact was minimal." Kerry sneered. "Nothing was to mess up the show for the secretary of defense." I was with River Assault Squadron 13 during this time period. Melvin Laird was the secretary of defense from January 22, 1969 to January 29, 1973. At the high point, there were only four squadrons of the Mobile Riverine Force. The four squadrons were split into two larger groups; "Group Alpha" and "Group Bravo", in early summer, of 1968, spread out over different parts of the Mekong Delta. All four squadrons were never pulled together to put on a show for Melvin Laird.
Wednesday, 25 August, 2004, 06:27 GMT 07:27 UK
US Vice-President Dick Cheney has said he does not support a federal ban on gay marriage, apparently contradicting President George W Bush's stance. Mr Cheney was addressing a campaign audience in Iowa that included his daughter, Mary, who is openly lesbian. He said the issue of legalising gay unions should be settled by individual states rather than by Washington. However, Mr Cheney said he accepted the views of Mr Bush, whose opposition to gay marriage is well publicised.
'Gay daughter'
President Bush recently backed a motion calling for a federal ban on gay marriage, prompted by attempts in some US states to have same-sex unions legalised. The motion was defeated when Republican senators sided with Democrats on the issue. Vice-President Cheney said he and his wife "have a gay daughter, so it's an issue our family is very familiar with". Regarding the issue of same-sex relationships, he said, "my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone". He said individual states have historically decided "what constitutes a marriage".
'Mixed message'
Mr Cheney has said his views are personal and have no bearing on White House policy. However, says the BBC's Dan Griffiths in Washington, they strike at the very heart of President Bush's thinking and should revive debate around the issue just days before the Republican convention in New York. While gay rights activists welcomed Mr Cheney's comments, there was criticism from some conservatives. Genevieve Wood of the Family Research Council said Mr Cheney's remarks were disappointing and sent out "a mixed message to voters". I will cheerfully commend Dick Cheney for finally getting it right on this incredibly divisive and discriminatory issue. That he has the courage to stand up for true "family values" and show some respect for his own child is a major step forward for his political philosophy.
Homosexual marriage has been around for thousands of years and only recently was expurgated from modern culture by the puritanical dictates of western religious strictures.
Yale historian John Boswell researched the history of homosexual marriage and contended that such unions were legally sanctioned and religiously upheld for over 3,000 years in ancient African, Asian, Egyptian, Greek, Mesopotamian, Native American and Roman cultures ... Same-sex relationships did not gain widespread condemnation until the 13th century, according to Boswell, when religious orders labeled them immoral.
What's more, the Christian religion used to celebrate such unions in ancient times.
Among the evidence Boswell presents are Greek texts of the ceremonies, along with their English translations ... The texts are clear. There is no doubt that the ceremonies sanction a union between two people of the same sex. Even before Boswell, historians who knew of the existence of the texts admitted as much. The accompanying prayers invoke the example of paired Christian saints of the same sex - in particular, the martyred Roman soldiers, Serge and Bacchus, who were the most famous and revered paired saints in early Christianity.
The DOMA (Defense of Marriage Amendment) is a naked attempt to enshrine religious doctrine into the American constitution and represents a most shameful contradiction of federal anti-discrimination laws. The profound damage this has done to Republican claims of representing true conservative values is both deserved and fitting.
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"Among the evidence Boswell presents are Greek texts of the ceremonies, along with their English translations ... The texts are clear. The texts are clear. There is no doubt that the ceremonies sanction a union between two people of the same sex."
The translation is false. It translates "adelphoi genesthai" as "to be united together", when any Greek could tell you that it means "to be made brothers".
The translation of "Adelphopoiia" itself is brother-making, a word again clearly understood as such by any Greek you could find and that doesn't have a hint of sexual component. Though ofcourse nowadays the imagery it would provoke would be people (possibly Native Americans) slitting their palms and grabbing each other's hands to share blood, a thing which I remember had me asking at grade school whether people with different blood groups would get hurt by doing such a thing.
... getting back to the point: Yeah, it's "same-sex union", in the sense that two brothers have to be of the same gender. But the union you are referring to doesn't seem to have anything to do with marriage.
And the word "pisti" that's translated "fidelity" is also quite easily translated into "faith", btw.
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Wouldn't surprise me, Dotcom.
Typical Beeb propaganda--VP Cheney said that he endorsed "freedom" for gays, but regretted that the courts legislating from the bench had taken the issue of gay rights away from the 50 states and made a DOM amendment to the Constitution mandatory.
Cheney hasn't changed his position at all and I wish the Left would leave the Cheneys, including Mary, alone about this!
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Check this out!
The article contradicts ITSELF in the first few grafs:
US Vice-President Dick Cheney has said he does not support a federal ban on gay marriage, apparently contradicting President George W Bush's stance.
Mr Cheney was addressing a campaign audience in Iowa that included his daughter, Mary, who is openly lesbian.
He said the issue of legalising gay unions should be settled by individual states rather than by Washington.
However, Mr Cheney said he accepted the views of Mr Bush, whose opposition to gay marriage is well publicised.
And yet the Baghdad Broadcasting Company gives it the headline that Cheney has endorsed gay marriage.
Pathetic.
But even more pathetic is Zenster's editorializing "sensibly."
Don't let the judges make the rules. Homos are against American populace rule because the US population doesn't support queer marriage.
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Jen, if the article is accurate about Cheney's sayings, that'd probably be *Cheney* contradicting himself -- IF we assume that "accepted the views of Mr. Bush" means "agrees with the views of Mr. Bush".
But I'm not fluent in political-speak, and what Cheney "accepting" Bush's views actually means, if anything.
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I have addressed this topic at length, many, many times, so I"m not going to now, but I do need to respond.
This post is not unlike the Islamic proselytizing of posters like Gentle and Antiwar. And Yale can no more be trusted as being credible than John Kerry can.
In fact, a couple of years ago I read a text published by Yale University Press in which homosexual and lesbian "activists" were advocating the overthrow of heterosexual society by clandestinely infiltrating early childhood centers. Their thesis was that young children were being "repressed" in their sexuality by "the puritanical dictates of western religious strictures" as asserted by Anon6166. The contributions were quite disgusting, and I remember that one lesbian described the "wonderful" feelings she would get when the little kids accidentally brushed up against her breasts. One of the real aims of the homosexual movement is to break down social norms and introduce their form of sexuality to children. However, it's been well-documented that sexual abuse ( and that is what it is, regardless of what they call it) of children produces long-term psychological and emotional issues for the victims. But the homosexual/lesbian cohort will argue that that's only because society, which has been influenced wrongly by religion, will not accept sexual deviance "differences."
John Boswell, the cited "expert" for Anon's post is a pseudo-intellectual fake with an explicit agenda-- like so many other "revisionist historians" masqerading as university "teachers."
Anon6166 also says "Whatâs more, the Christian religion used to celebrate such unions in ancient times."
Again--activist subterfuge. The gnostics may have, but sexual deviance was never condoned by the Early Christians of the Orthodox faith.
For the non-religious at Rantburg, I direct you to the texts. Whether you believe it or not is immaterial. The fact is, it's really not too hard to figure out the writer's point of view/belief/position, and it's totally disengenuous for posters like Anon6166 to prey on people's ignorance by sounding off false information as "fact." But then, that's what the left does, huh?
From Young's Literal Translation ( a little dicey, but not that hard to piece through)
Romans 1 "24Â Wherefore also God did give them up, in the desires of their hearts, to uncleanness, to dishonour their bodies among themselves; who did change the truth of God into a falsehood, and did honour and serve the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed to the ages. Amen. Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature; and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame . . ."
Well, I don't know about you, but I think that's pretty clear.
1Corinthians 6 " . . . have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit. And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God."
Note: "sodomites" = arsenokoites (arsen "a male" and koite "cohabitation, sexual intercourse")Â = one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual
Again, we're talking crystal clear, folks.
1Timothy 1 " . . . and we have known that the law is good, if any one may use it lawfully; having known this, that for a righteous man law is not set, but for lawless and insubordinate persons, ungodly and sinners, impious and profane, parricides and matricides, men-slayers, whoremongers, sodomites . . .".
Finally, Anon6166 says 'The DOMA (Defense of Marriage Amendment) is a naked attempt to enshrine religious doctrine into the American constitution . . .'
Oh, wow. A " a naked attempt" is it? Cute. However, even a cursory investigation into the life and times of the founding fathers indicates that religious doctrine is the philosophical cornerstone of the Constitution. Duh.
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Aris, the Beeb is putting too much into Cheney's words, as is the rest of the Leftist press.
If Cheney were going to break with the President on this key issue, he wouldn't do it like this.
In addition, Cheney is a man of conviction, as are all members of the Republican Party and the Bush Administration, and if he truly were to endorse gay marriage, he wouldn't continue to run as the VP for the President who wants to pass the Defense of Marriage amendment.
The reporter who asked Cheney this question was trying to put him in a spot because they know his daughter is a lesbian.
The problem here being that most homosexuals (including Mary Cheney) don't want to get married and are fairly happy the way they are, which is enjoying all the civil rights and liberties the rest of us do.
BTW, interesting exegesis on those Greek terms and setting Zenster straight. Thanks!
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ex-lib, thanks so much for sharing those verses from Scripture!
Thanks be to God!
And it couldn't be any clearer, could it?
It's stunning to me how much of the Bush hating is grounded in the fact that he's also a Christian and the Left loves to say that he abuses the office of the Presidency by "enshrining religious doctrine into the Constitution," when, as you correctly observe that Judeo-Christian Faith was the cornerstone of the Constitution and this nation!
Yet, this same crowd had no problem with the previous occupant of the Oval Office flaunting his whoremongering and perversion.
"Truth forever on the scaffold, Evil forever on the throne."
God willing, there is still time and the opportunity to save this nation and keep it safe from perverts like Anon6166 implementing their evil anymore than they already have.
Gee, take out the "1" and Anon's name becomes "666"--Hmmmm.
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Thanks for the translation Ari - my Greek is limited to reading (with glossary in hand) the New Testament, and looking up the occasional word from a concordance or the Oxford reasearch Bible.
The Hebrew word behind the terminology in 1 Chronicles and a few other citations above is "qadesh", which conveys the meaning of a male person dedicated to licentious idolatry, homosexuality, or prostitution.
Thats where the greek roots of the words in the New Testament usually translated as "sodomite" come from.
Your translation of the word seems to be spot on - a related word that appears in the New Testament is adelphotes - a feeling of botherliness, derived from the root 'adelphos' - which (in ancient greek anyway) comes off as "brother" - derived from the connective particle 'l' and 'delphus' (the womb) - i.e. shared birth. Given Christian theology about rebirth, brotherliness certainly is the proper meaning.
It certainly carries not even one hint of homosexuality.
The author of the original article is a poor scholar if he cannot discover what I have from my handy concordance, the New Testament in (origianl) Greek, and a N.T. Greek dictionary and Glossary
The error is so egregious that it smacks of deliberate distortion, i.e. a lie on the part of the translator of the above stuff in yellow.
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"[Cheney]said the issue of legalising gay unions should be settled by individual states rather than by Washington."
This is perfectly consistent with supporting the proposed amendment which speaks only to what courts may "find" in their consitutions-- also with DOMA which only sez gay marriages may not be exported to states that that do not recognize such things.
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Great catch, TGA!
(Wonder where old Zenster found that John Boswell's stuff?--apparently it's the "gay" marriage "bible," if you'll pardon the expression.)
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When I was a young fellow, we didn't even have "homosexuals." It just wasn't done, y'know? (TGA, you can probably remember those days.)
What we did have was bachelors. Bachelors were simply men who didn't marry. Occasionally a bachelor would share the rent with another bachelor and nobody really said much about it. There were also "bachelorettes," though the term wasn't as widely used.
Admittedly, there were queers, the fellows who would occasionally accost young fellows in the bathroom. They were regarded as deviants. They weren't the same thing as bachelors.
But that was a long time ago, in a galaxy far away, where one's sexual proclivities weren't a matter for public consumption.
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Fred - That was back before you became enlightened by your, ahem, betters, eh?
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Boswell is (or rather was) a self professed "gay historian" (not that there is anything wrong with that) whose findings have been questioned. If you want to, you can read a lot into old texts, especially when you try to read them with our "modern" conceptions. The Old Greek "philia" (friendship) had no sexual connotation, it rather referred to "soul unions".
It's very dangerous to interpret religious texts. If you read the mystic hymns of Teresa de Avila or Juan de la Cruz, you might think... wow this is very sexual... and yet it was about exuberant love for God.
Aris, the fine points of that translation exposition were the sharp edges of what I feel might be the best smackdown I've ever seen you do. Great job!
TGA: good catch. I love your work on the linked thread.
.com: that method of finding hidden LLL's has to be adopted by the members of the VRWC Inquisition. "Who's your President? Who's the President of you and me? Say it, Biatch!" Love it!
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I have always accused lefties of pretending to have clairvoyant powers ("you wingnuts think Bush is God...." etc.) but I did not realize that this extended to precognition as well.
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ROFL!!! Oh brother, this is rich. What a fool and arrogant whiner.
Y'know, it's bizarre but true, I think. Every time I read a Dhimmicrat attack - the charge is something they are guilty of - invariably and usually well in advance of the Pub response. I know there has to be a term in logical reasoning that applies, but I can't recall it. Does anyone know the formal logical argument term for a pre-emptive charge of which the person making the charge is guilty? It literally defines Dhimmicrat politics and polemics. Amazing.
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com, I think its call projection. Accuse the other person of something you, yourself are doing. Its a propaganda technique. I think there is an propaganda analysis of Moore's fart-911 movie which mentions it (and a whole lot more).
The whole attack on Bush about his service is a projection to protect Kerry's own service record and his activities after the war.
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CF - Yes, it's a standard in the propaganda game.
But in formal logical arguments there are a plethora of terms, ad hominen, etc, but I can't find one for this - and you know it's not a modern gambit - it has to have been around since Socrates drank the hemlock, heh. Just wanted to ID it - it has bugged me for months!
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Projection is a term of psychology, I believe; it's a coping mechanism common among people with various personality disorders.
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And I want to go on record of the LIES that were spouted at the upcoming convention in NY. The terrible LIES against my 'Band of Brothers.' The unending LIES about my pet dog VC (who served in Vietnam). Finally the constant attack of LIES on my fellow lib... err DEMOCRATIC party members. I will have to write another letter to MoveOn and let loose another attack on the Bush Regime!
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Lol! Oh, wait - maybe I shouldn't laugh, yet... JFK-II might actually do this before the RNC opens...
Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator Kerry,
We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.
Welcome *snicker* your representatives. . .
That's why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that's why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities — and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.
But, as a member of the clueless elite, what we are saying probably doesn't register.
We're proud of our service in Vietnam. We served honorably in Vietnam and we were deeply hurt and offended by your comments when you came home.
You can't have it both ways. You can't build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it.
But as a committed Politically Correct Liberal, you regard our comments as hate speech so you sicked your over-priced ambulance chasers on the Swifties.
You said in 1992 "we do not need to divide America over who served and how." Yet you and your surrogates continue to criticize President Bush for his service as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.
Clinton was your guy so, it didn't matter, THEN
We are veterans too — and proud to support President Bush. He's been a strong leader, with a record of outstanding support for our veterans and for our troops in combat. He's made sure that our troops in combat have the equipment and support they need to accomplish their mission.
What's wrong? Chirac won't let you vote to help veterans.
He has increased the VA health care budget more than 40% since 2001 — in fact, during his four years in office, President Bush has increased veterans funding twice as much as the previous administration did in eight years ($22 billion over 4 years compared to $10 billion over 8.) And he's praised the service of all who served our country, including your service in Vietnam.
We know you are a cynical slob, but let's not open old wounds.
We urge you to condemn the double standard that you and your campaign have enforced regarding a veteran's right to openly express their feelings about your activities on return from Vietnam.
We're not optimistic.
Sincerely,
Texas State Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson
Rep. Duke Cunningham
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Rep. Sam Johnson
Lt. General David Palmer
Robert O'Malley, Medal of Honor Recipient
James Fleming, Medal of Honor Recipient
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Castle (Ret.)
Seems like a pretty good "non-swiftie-connected" group to me.
He tried to deliver it to a Secret Service agent or State Trooper. Somehow I dont think either is authorized to receive mail on the president's behalf.
However it seems that someone tried to 'accept' the letter but Cleland refused to give it up... (Did he ever intend to?):
A Texas state official and Vietnam veteran, Jerry Patterson, said someone from the Bush campaign contacted him Wednesday morning and asked him if he would travel to the ranch, welcome Cleland to Texas and accept the former senator's letter to Bush.
"I tried to accept that letter and he would not give it to me," said Patterson. "He would not face me. He kept rolling away from me. He's quite mobile."
Patterson, who spoke with the president on the phone, said the campaign asked him to give Cleland a letter for Kerry written by the Bush campaign and signed by Patterson and seven other veterans.
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Kerry: "Bring it on! I say, BRING! IT! ON! Go ahead, you bastards, I'll show you just how loud I can whine!!! You'll be sorry, I'LL SEND MAX CLELAND AND HIS WHEELCHAIR TO CRAWFORD TO LOOK PITIFUL ON NATIONAL TV!!!!!"
Oh, Christ in Heaven, deliver us from this idiot. Please?
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Yes Mary-Beth there is a 'Web' of connection between the Swiftees and registered Republicans. Does that men that they are not telling the truth? WAAAH WAAAAHH!
#8
Grrrrr. And I'm fed up with the Cleland hero sham - that he is beyond challenge, somehow. *TFBS. This Skeery, Cleland, Harkin, et al crap has, by their endless repetition, diluted and diminished true heroism in the eyes of the uninitiated. They don't even have a clue what it means.
Check the Links I put in my comment on this RB article for the lowdown on Cleland, the Dhimmicrat hero.
Serving your country is honorable. Cleleand acted, way the fuck back 35 yrs ago, honorably. That does not an entire life make. He's failed miserably since.
Acting heroically, such as Gen. Brady did defines true heroism.
As for the Dhimmicrats, hey morons get a grip: blowing yourself up because you're dumber than a box o' rocks is not heroism.
#9
Can someone point me to evidence that Cleland wounds were self inflicted by playing with a grenade? I have heard this but never seen it form a source thats beyond question.
I never served in the mil. I have a physical condition that precluded my induction. I usually don't comment on issues like this as I don't feel I have a right to comment on thing I didn't take part in. But if this fool blew his own legs off it's an issue thats valid to bring up. Just like Kerry's claims of being a freeking hero.
If I compare Kerry to guys like Gunny Hathcock it's obvious who the real heros are.
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TforA - the second Coulter column identifies sources.
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I reserve the term "war hero" for people who acted honorably and courageously back then, and continued to act honorably and courageously after they came home, and refrain from bragging about it.
Some two and a half million men (and women, too, don't forget them) served in Vietnam, nearly all of whom spent either a year or thirteen months there-- three times as long as John Kerry did. Of those two and a half million, some 58,000 died for their country; and many, many more came home disabled or disfigured. And hundreds of thousands of them endured dangers and hardships at least the equal of what John Kerry so briefly faced.
If John Kerry really wants us to believe he's the "Ultimate Vietnam War Hero" then we should let America's Vietnam War veterans decide the presidential election.
He wouldn't carry a single state.
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Randy "Duke" Cunningham's my rep. Damn good work Randy.
Cleland's story is this. Him and his boys were done with the days work in the field and were mounting onto a helicopter to head off for some beers. Some additional work had to be done so Max jumped off the helicopter to do it. That's when he noticed an American grenade on the ground. He thought it might be his, it turns out it was a new guy in the Helicopter. Anyway the pin was pulled and the Huey would have been thrashed (I'm not sure about the guys inside or what).
Max either picked up the grenade or fell on it, or tried to pick it up when it went off taking his legs and one arm (I think). Anne Coulter wrote a bit about all this highlighting the going to get beers side of things. I think she did him an injustice. Of all the research I did on the thing (sure he was a clown) proved he really was a hero and deserved every medal they gave him.
Having said that, I don't think he's an upstanding fellow now, playing the victim and saying losing his Senate seat was worse than losing his arm and legs. Or claiming the Republicans challenged his patriotism when they simply challenged his voting record. He's turned into a partisan shill.
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Yank, here's the story on Max from AC's 2/18/04 column that Dotcom cited:
One of the most detailed accounts of Cleland's life was written by Jill Zuckman in a lengthy piece for The Boston Globe Sunday magazine on Aug. 3, 1997:
Finally, the battle at Khe Sanh was over. Cleland, 25 years old, and two members of his team were now ordered to set up a radio relay station at the division assembly area, 15 miles away. The three gathered antennas, radios and a generator and made the 15-minute helicopter trip east. After unloading the equipment, Cleland climbed back into the helicopter for the ride back. But at the last minute, he decided to stay and have a beer with some friends. As the helicopter was lifting off, he shouted to the pilot that he was staying behind and jumped several feet to the ground.
Cleland hunched over to avoid the whirring blades and ran. Turning to face the helicopter, he caught sight of a grenade on the ground where the chopper had perched. It must be mine, he thought, moving toward it. He reached for it with his right arm just as it exploded, slamming him back and irreparably altering his plans for a bright, shining future.
So, you see, the way Cleland got hurt was pretty human--and dare I suggest that he had more than "a beer" which impaired his judgement?--but hardly heroic.
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Yank - Regards an "injustice" I guess I'll offer that I disagree - but defend your right to hold a differing opinion!
IMHO, the press stories (numerous) cited in the 2nd Coulter link does not support your conclusions. Honor him for his service, yep. Pity him for his wounds, okay. War hero? Nope - not me. I knew lots of guys who got mangled (a little and a lot) - in everything from bar fights to Russian roulette to pissing off Saigon Mamasans who carried sharp things to bona-fide fire-fights. Nobody there thought of a mistake as heroism.
If you folks haven't read both Coulter columns, you should - to maintain perspective when Cleland comes up.
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Cleland was just on Spitball with Matthews. Cleland blames Bush for riling up all Nam Vets now by inserting the Swift Vets in the campaign.
Looks like the pscyhological disorder of projection to blame others for your own misdeeds is indeed well.
These guys just can't get it into their heads that possibly this is being done for some other reason than electing George Bush. To me it is a duty that needs to be done now. Hanoi John needs to be exposed for what he is a fraud and traitor to his country for all time.
The Jackass party instead of unitng the country is doing the opposite and playing on the polarizations already in place and now feeding the coal mine fire of Nam again.
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Bill, When has the Democrats done anything else but play the 'race' card or the 'class' card 'Gay' card or 'whatever' card?
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Well to quote Coulter, don 't read if you are humor challenged as I suspect most memebers of the Jackass party are "...Why don't we just give both sides some swiftboats, a few machine guns and lots of ammo, put them on a river somewhere, and let them settle this whole thing like gentlemen once and for all?"
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The account in Coulter's second article, which quotes the same book quoted above isn't much different than the account I gave except that he jumped out of the helicopter to have the beers rather than doing one more thing before going back. I'll trust the other accounts since I was going off of memory.
The more I think about it, it sounds like the helicopter had to be a distance away or it would have been hit by the same explosion so the idea he picked it up to save anyone doesn't float.
Still, both versions have the accident before he drank a drop.
Also, it has come to light recently that one of the guys in the helicopter admitted the grenade was actually his. It was natural for Cleland to think it was his since he was the one jumping out but that doesn't really change anything else.
Stupid accident yes, but not cowardly and certainly not self-inflicted by playing with a grenade. His wounds qualify more as a friendly fire and/or stupid accident than anything else.
He's a prick but it has nothing to do with his service. I think he pretty much got screwed in Nam and hadn't rid on that fact until 2002. That's when he bacame a prick.
VC surfaces
A new four-legged angle -- actually a dog named "VC" -- has suddenly materialized surrounding Sen. John Kerry's swift boat service in Vietnam. In a 2004 presidential candidate questionnaire for Humane USA, Mr. Kerry was asked whether any pets have had an impact on his life. "I have always had pets in my life, and there are a few that I remember very fondly," Mr. Kerry replied. "When I was serving on a Swift Boat in Vietnam, my crewmates and I had a dog we called VC. One day as our Swift Boat was heading up a river, a mine exploded hard under our boat. After picking ourselves up, we discovered VC was MIA (missing in action). Several minutes of frantic search followed, after which we thought we'd lost him. We were relieved when another boat called asking if we were missing a dog." Said Mr. Kerry: "It turns out VC was catapulted from the deck of our boat and landed, confused but unhurt, on the deck of another boat in our patrol."
J.J. Scheele, program director of Humane USA, confirmed yesterday that her organization did, in fact, receive the above statement from the Kerry campaign. No military records on Mr. Kerry's Web site, which aides say is a complete accounting, mention a mine exploding under his boat or any dog. The only report of a mine detonating "near" Mr. Kerry's PCF 94 was March 13, 1969, when Mr. Kerry says he was injured and a man knocked overboard.
#1
The stories this man tells get more amazing every day. Are we sure this isn't Al Gore in a body suit? Kerry reminds me of a line I once read were a man was defending his brothers stories, "He don't lie, he just remembers big."
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Did this happen on December 25, 1968 on/in/near Cambodia? It would help his other stories. Talk about painting yourself into a corner! I knew that when John F Skerry opened his yap he would shove in both feet!
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Thank God VC landed on another boat. After all, ever since he lost his front right paw during a firefight at Hue (during which Kerry saved his life...TWICE!) he never was the swimmer he once was.
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I thought I remembered seeing a photo of Kerry and the dog on johnkerry.com in his vietnam service records which used to be front page. Now I dont see them (or any mention of vietnam) anywhere. Interesting.
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Ok, no picture... I thought Id seen one... but I did find mention of it:
Kerry even rescued a puppy, Victoria Charlotte, or VC. His crewmates bought it from villagers who were planning to cook it for dinner. "Once the bullets started flying, he'd put the dog in his flak vest against his tummy," said Sandusky. "In the middle of an ambush, she'd start shaking and she'd pee on him." Until today, the puppy stars in Kerry's war stories. Kerry's daughter, Vanessa, 27, explained: "He wanted there to be a good VC."
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There was a post recently(can't remember where,it wasn't seared-seared-in my memory)that had a newspaper account of Kerry talking w/some of his crew at dedication(?) for retirement of US Navy's last patrol boat @1996/98.Mentioned was Kerry asking one crew member if he remembered when boat hit mine and dog flew thru air.
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Ive searched google and know that I saw a pic somewhere. I even find reference to the pic but no pic is to be found. Hmmm... perhaps VC send Kerry a cease and desist order like the swifties.
#22
Kerry did mention dogs in his dedication speech, but never specified one as "VC."
From that speech:
"[T]here were wonderful moments, not just from the gallows humor of the war but those that came from the special spirit of Swifties: the times we lobbed raw eggs from boat to boat; great flare fights that lit more than one life raft on fire; delivering lumber to Nam Can in the middle of the war; handing out ridiculous Psy-Ops packages that no one understood; and of course pet dogs that didn't understand English or Vietnamese for 'don't do it there.'"
And here's an amusing quote from JFingK's last ride on a swift boat:
Kerry cited luck yesterday for much of his success in Vietnam. As he steered the swift boat toward the Washington Navy Yard and a clutch of dignitaries, he noted how well-preserved the craft was in contrast to his former boat.
"By the time I left" Vietnam, Kerry said, "there were 180 holes in my boat."
"To be honest," Belodeau said, "it looked like Swiss cheese."
-- The Boston Globe, June 14, 1995, Wednesday, City Edition
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#12 -
"In the middle of an ambush, she'd start shaking and she'd pee on him."
He's even imagining being pee'd on. EGAD!
Fantasy stories about rescuing a dog from the BBQ pit, then Kerry gets pee'd on. Probably his crewmates bought the dog. Did Kerry contribute? Is he imagining spending money too?
Is he truly crazy -
In 1872, when defeated by Grant, Horace Greely, prone to strory telling, suffered a nervous breakdown, and died before the Electoral Vote was cast. Indiana Gov. Thomas Hendricks, got the bulk of the electoral votes which would have gone to Greeley, and most of the rest went to Greeley's VP candidate B Gratz Brown.
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Lol! I should've said Hank 5, to be more precise!
I had forgotten the "with advantages" - a classic tactic of his to mildly skewer and taunt, in his wonderfully subtle fashion, the foibles and arrogance of his royal audiences, when the occasion permitted, heh. Great fun - thanks for reminding me!
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Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called Wednesday for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign and urged President Bush to appoint an independent investigation to provide reforms after a report faulted all levels of the military for abuse at Abu Ghraib prison.
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I call on the traitor Kerry to do the honorable thing: seppuku.
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I must be just about the only person on Earth that admires Donald Rumsfeld.
I also must be about the only person on Earth that believes the humiliation (not any actual physical torture) at Abu Ghraib is a lot of hype over nothing.
#5
Cripes, he's serious. I thought this post was some sort of joke.
God have mercy on us if we prove stupid enough to elect this jackass as President; it'll be one helluva wild four years if we do.
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Who had one week in the pool 'How long until they mention Abu Grabass again?' No mention of the three people so far that have admitted to doing these acts on their own. They only ones that cling to the "higher orders" story are the ones that are facing the biggest jail time. Why doesn't Kerry tell his 'alignedâ 527s to work the âOrders on highâ angle? Oh thatâs right, they already tried that one and it FAILED. Why not take a vacation in Cambodia?
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Seppuku
The Seppuku Ritual
The loser received a chance to keep his honor.
If the circumstances allowed it, the ritual suicide was executed in a formal, procedural manner. Even spectators liberal press were not uncommon. The suicide candidate was clad in a white kimono fatigues will do here .
Now the seppuku candidate was supposed to take a short dagger and cut his abdomen by slicing it from the left lower part of his upper body upwards in right direction. This must have been extremely painful. Then the candidate was supposed to lower his neck. This was the sign for the assistant, the kaishakunin hmm how about Michael Moore that would be fitting, who stood behind him, to proceed to the last step - to blow off the seppuku candidate's head the really good part- possibly with one blow of his sword. The kaishakunin could be a person close to him, sometimes his best friend. The kaishakunin had it in his hands to shorten the suffering Mikey could make a documentary oops take three of the suicider by executing a strong and swift blow.
Suicide was often committed by samurai warriors and noblemen on the battlefield well that leaves Hanoi John out .
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God! Are they ever going to stop soddomizing that poor dead horse?
My guess is they will, as soon as the horse, uhmm, finishes...
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I heard a great point on the radio this morning: How can Kerry, who admitted to personally committing war crimes call for Rumsfeld's resignation? Rumsfeld had no -- zero, zip, nada -- responsibility for what happened at Abu Ghraib, but Kerry used his own Zippo to torch a village!
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Since when is Kerry getting his talking points from Bernie Ward? Oh, well: one leftist is pretty much like another....
EFL - Gentlemen, commence the gnashing of teeth.
The United States Chamber of Commerce plans to make America's "runaway legal system" a cornerstone of the presidential campaign. "When voters go to the polls, they need to know lawsuit abuse destroys jobs, drives doctors out of business and forces companies into bankruptcy," said Thomas Donohue, Chamber president and CEO. Donohue said the Chamber will support two new political initiatives to educate voters about the "devastating impact of lawsuit abuse on the American way of life." -snip- the 527 has does have a tie to Bush... George HW Bush.
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The United States Chamber of Commerce plans to make America's "runaway legal system" a cornerstone of the presidential campaign. "When voters go to the polls, they need to know lawsuit abuse destroys jobs, drives doctors out of business and forces companies into bankruptcy," said Thomas Donohue, Chamber president and CEO.Ah, is it an election year or something? I mean, those are some scary, attention-getting statements. Now, I know Iâm biased, but IMO those claims are a bit overblown. Undoubtedly, Mr. Donohue does not mean all trial work, he just wants to go after those //sarcasm on// âPlaintiff lawyersâ and their nasty contingent fees.//sarcasm off//It pains me that my party (and how I will vote this fall - for a multitude of reasons greater than my short-term financial security) appear hell bent on destroying my profession (trial work) based on âscary, attention-getting statementsâ that are poorly researched and even more poorly supported. In Colorado, anyway, hereâs the breakdown on Court cases:
Probate - 6.9%
Juvenile - 21.46%
Domestic Relations - 18.75%
Criminal - 24.35%
Mental Health - 2.56%and Civil at only - 25.95%
Additionally, these some 26% of court cases can be further broken down as follows:
Administrative Review - 0.00%
Breach of Warranty - 0.32%
Breach of Contract - 8.00%
Condemnation - 0.30%
County Court Counter Claim - 0.45%
County Court/Municipal Appeal - 1.28%
Declaratory Judgment - 1.08%
Determination of Interest - 0.08%
Disclaimer - 0.01%
Distraint Warrant - 9.63%
Forcible Entry - 1.49%
Forclosure other than RL120 - 1.11%
Foreign Judgment - 1.22%
Goods Sold & Delivered - 1.51%
Injunctive Relief - 1.06%
Landlord-Tenant - 0.24%
Lien - 0.28%
Mechanics Lein - 0.75%
Money - 4.36%
Name Change - 0.13%
Negligence - 3.24%
Note - 1.88%
Other - 5.14%
Personal Injury - 1.61%
Personal Injury-MV - 7.59%
Petition to Seal Records - 4.93%
Possession - 0.05%
Professional Malpractice - 0.70%
Property Damage - 0.16%
Property Damage-MV - 0.00%
Public Nuisance - 0.33%
Replevin - 1.85%
Restraining Order - 0.20%
Review Local Govt - 0.48%
Rule 105 - 1.38%
Rule 120 - 33.71%
Rule 106 - 0.68%
Services Rendered - 1.54%
Sexual Harassment - 0.06%
Special District - 0.18%
Specific Performance - 0.11%
Unemployment Compensation - 0.00%
Wages - 0.21%
Workers' Compensation - 0.03%
Writ of Habeas Corpus - 0.29%
Wrongful Death - 0.21%
Wrongful Death- MV - 0.10%
So the real Contingent fee/trial lawyer/plaintiff type stuff (e.g., Breach of Warranty, Breach of Contract, Negligence, Personal Injury, Personal Injury, Professional Malpractice, Property Damage, Property Damage-MV, Sexual Harassment, Wrongful Death, Wrongful Death-MV) is only about 21.99% of the Civil case load. That means that the type of civil trial work being complained about is only about 5.7% of all court cases.
In reality, the great bulk of litigation in the courts (in the civil arena) is commercial litigation -- business suing business, NOT those //sarcasm on// âPlaintiff lawyersâ and their nasty contingent fees.//sarcasm off//
EFL
This is available from a variety of sites.
...As Kerry launched into a monologue about why President Bush avoids talking about issues like the economy, jobs and the environment, the comedian interrupted. "I'm sorry," Stewart said. "Were you or were you not in Cambodia?" Stewart and Kerry then leaned in and stared each other down before Stewart asked about other things Kerry's opponents are saying. How odd that an anti Bush comedian (on last night's Comedy Channel's Daily Show) is the first person to ask Kerry an actual tough question that actually matters. How interesting that Kerry doesn't answer. How amusing that the MsM still refuses to address the Cambodia question substantively.
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Not odd at all, actually. But interesting indeed and extremely amusing. Would that Stewart have kept the staredown going until Kerry reacted!
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I've seen a few interviews where Jon Stewart was asked about his political leanings. He claims that he is neither pro/anti Bush.
He further states that as a comedian, he views both parties and their candidates as fair game. My take is that he's more moderate/centrist oriented than liberal.
#3
Jon Stewart is annoyingly leftwing, but he is also a comic. Lotsa anti-Bush jokes, but he goes after the left too. The anti-Bush smirk he uses gets lotsa laughs from the NY live audience, but he also gets laughs for teasing the other side.
And (if you can't already tell I watch The Daily Show a lot ) the other 'correspondents' are laugh out loud funny, too, maybe even funnier than some of the smarmy jokes Stewart gets away with in his presentations.
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I find Stewart fairly in the middle, and very funny, making shots at both sides. Question is, why didn't Kerry just answer the question? What a pussy
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Badanov
So you watch both the Daily Show and South Park, eh.
#6
Not South Park. It is a funny show, but for some reason after the fifth show I saw, I lost interest in it, failing to see any continuing attraction.
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Jon Stewart is a liberal Jew, but most importantly he isn't funny. I used to watch the show when Craig Kilborne was on there and it was a masterpiece show when he was on there. However, the Craig Kilborne show sucks bad. He's apparently stiffeled creatively by the "Big Three's" internal censorship. I don't even remember if it's ABC, CBS or NBC that he's on now, but they're all the same in my mind. They stiffle creativity, especially in comedians. But when I did watch the Daily Show with Craig Kilborne I came to the conclusion that the writers on that show were brilliant.
Several of the South Park episodes give hint that the directors hate self righteous democrats. They refer to the 'earthday brainwashing festival'; they hit Rosie O'D very hard, they have Whoppi getting giggles and laughs from a high brow audience with repeated moronic one liners like 'I hate Republicans'; they had a good hit against Rain Forest lovers.
#12
Jon Stewart used to have a late-night talk show that I never watched 'cause I figured he was an idiot. Then I saw him as a guest on "Politically Incorrect" and discovered that he's really smart, well-informed, quick-witted, and funny as hell.
What "Weekend Update" was in its glory years, "The Daily Show" is now. But 10 times better.
BTW, anyone have a link to the interview? I'd like to see it, and it's not up on Comedy Central's site.
#13
I suppose it was inevitable that "The Daily Show' would replace the info-tainment of ABCCBSNBCCNNFOX as "America's most listened to news source". I saw it coming when The National Enquirer replaced the New York Times as "America's Newspaper of Record". (Which I suppose puts the LA Times on a par with The Weekly World News.)
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Anonymoose : "The LA Times" is "The Weekly World News", except the Times did reject the Saddahm sex-change story, but the editor was criticized for doing so. . . .
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Badanov Several of the South Park episodes give hint that the directors hate self righteous democrats. They refer to the 'earthday brainwashing festival'; they hit Rosie O'D very hard, they have Whoppi getting giggles and laughs from a high brow audience with repeated moronic one liners like 'I hate Republicans'; they had a good hit against Rain Forest lovers.
I hold no ill will against South Park. It's just that the talking turd lost me somehow. I know for a fact they are politically irreverent; one of the funniest shows of theirs I saw was where two cops were talking about their 'normal business' of framing rich black men for crimes they didn't commit, the chief bad guy/character being a black guy who was drawn to look like and sounded an awful lot like Michael Jackson.
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I saw the show last night and it seemed pretty much to me to be "See, I can be like ordinary guys and be funny, too" on Kerry's part. The part where Stewart asked about Cambodia was very rushed and the laught track was going but I don't think Kerry knew beforehand it was comming.
I liked the Civil War Reenactor South Park. Hilarious. (I'm a Civil War Reenactor. I was awarded a Purple Heart for a sabre wound that required stitches. It happened at the Battle of Saltville, Virginia. Does this mean I get to go home early?)
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Half, I was portrating a cavalry trooper from the 13th Tennessee Cavalry Regiment, a Union unit. I got cut across the back of my right hand during a sabre fight on horseback and had to have stitches. It was my opponent's first event and no one told him to dull his sabre.
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Slate has a review of the Kerry performance at:
http://www.slate.com/id/2105618/
the author of the review gives Kerry a below zero
"...Kerry's charisma was less than zero: It was negative. He was a charm vacuum, forced to actually borrow mojo from audience members. He was a dessicated husk, a tin man who really didn't have a heart. His lack of vibrancy, his utter dearth of sex appeal made Al Gore look like Charo. (I've always found Al Gore sort of hot, actually, like a stuffy high school principal just begging to be broken down. But I have some issues with authority.)"
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I saw the author of 'Unfit for Command' John o'Neill on Hannity& Combs last night. Pretty impressive figure for someone as unassumming and low key as this fella was. Very calm, very deliberate, unexcitable man; you would think you were watching a CPA give a report on assets disposal under new proposed federal law, etc, instead of someone trying to reclaim the honor of combat vets in Viet Nam.
Combs tried to trip the man up, but Mr. O'Neill bored in on his Combs' questions, changed nothing about his own answer. Consistent and unflappable. It is no wonder Kerry and his Kerryettes are so afraid of O'Neill and his book. Reason, logic, honor and above all grace is what is driving this SwiftBats Vets thing. Not political ambitions. Just the truth.
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O'Neill's good. Unflappable is definitely the right term. He speaks like a man who has the truth on his side. And moreover, this fight is personal. They felt monumentally screwed over by Kerry back in '71 and now... payback is a bitch.
Even if Bush condemned them (he won't... he can't, legally) I don't think he'd stop.
#3
The real source of this situation lies in the fact that, apart from the presenter and recipient, almost no one knows much about the verbiage behind citations and what's in the official records.
Why has the record not been challenged before?
Simple: He didn't parade it in front of people who were there, knew what kind of climber and ambitious schemer he was, and cared about the truth.
Now that he has, we have people who know better (i.e. who know what really happened) hearing the official record details for the first time and saying WTF? That's not true. That's not how it happened. Hold on there, fella, that's a load of bullshit!
Open the records and debate your peers (betters, IMO), Skeery, or STFU. Q.E.D.
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.com, as far as I remember an award submission package included another form called a summary/justification that had the actual plot summary of what happened. That extra form might have been added later or not become an offical part of the awardee's record but it would have been that part of the package that the staff of the principals in the chain of command would have looked to for determining the appropriateness of the award. The citation, itself, would been word-smithed by frustrated novelists all the way up the chain - a possible reason why the citation was altered each time it was rewritten and resigned. (I still don't get why one of his medals was reissued several times. I get the feeling that the medals were withdrawn by the original awarders.)
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Kerry, Cleland, and Harkin. A traitor, a self-maiming idiot, and a hot-headed liar. Wow, what a dream line-up for an investigative journalist! But, like the suddenly MIA Harkin, there won't be any of those around either... Sheesh. Silly me.
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BigEd - Yes - here's a link to a kickass Ann Coulter column which puts Cleland into perspective - for the fool he is. He did the same with his actual political career that he did with his body. Since he's an icon of the Dhimmis - her column sent them into orbit - so, under attack for telling the truth, the next week's column was dedicated to bitch-slapping them all over the fifth column gym with something they didn't recognize: the truth. And she did it with class. No wonder they hate her almost as much as Prez Shrub.
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AC is a personal hero of mine--what a VRWC goddess and diva she is!
When one of our resident trolls tells me I'm like Ann Coulter--which is supposed to wound me to the core (because they're closet Leftists and they hate her for being the Whittaker Chambers of the 21st Century), I think it's a huge compliment.
In fact, my first reaction is always "I'm not worthy!"
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Think about it SH. Both Kerry and Sadr surround themselves with sycophants who tell the emperor what the emperor wants to hear. No wonder both are being taken down by outnumbered members of the American armed forces and their thinly stretched resources. Sun Tzu wrote that if you do not know who you are or who your opponent is, you will always fail. Both individuals are incapable of effective self evaluation and are simply motivated by lust of power and prestige. Their opponents however, do know who they are and they do appear to have Kerry's/Sadr's number.
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Don't understand why Bush is saying that the independent 527's should not exist--anyone?
Also--interesting that Kerry is falling back on his" sell 'em out to the North Vietnamese" buddy, John McCain, in his counter-attacks to the SwiftBoat Vets for Truth ads.
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I love the article about the content of the phone call and its legality. Skerry called someone who he thought wasn't one of the SVFT turned out that he was one (surprise). Also sending that nutball Cleland and Ramassen to crawford is a pure political stunt. They just want a photo op of them sitting OUTSIDE the ranch gate looking sad. If Bush invited them inside they wouldn't know what to say. That's because they can't use that rantful talk when they are talking to the President. I would have the whole thing taped so the whole country can see what nuts this pair are. Yazoo one five your target is 500 meters Northeast of point catsup, make your run North-South, target is painted.
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Bush is taking the high road by denouncing ALL 527s. If he didn't include the SBVT ad, the MSM would scream louder than the Krakatoa explosion. He also knows there is NO WAY the Swifties will pull their ad.
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Cyber Sarge made me think of something Kerry said in 1971 during the hearing where he talked about atrocities he committed.
He mentioned the term harassment and interdiction, an army term for simple map fire, what gun bunnys know as general support arrtillery fire, where points on a map are targeted to prevent enemy movement, to engage soft targets like supply points/depots, HQs, GHQ type units, redeploying troops using road movement to name a few, or to harass a stalled enemy.
Kerry used the term in a disparaging way as if the US Army invented the doctrine of harssment and interdiction fire just for the Viet Nam war. I would certainly like to see a journalist ask him about this particular term, just to see how he would respond to it.
I guess another question of mine was why wasn't Kerry publically challeneged then for these words. Any sufficiently knowledgible O6 coulda had his socialist ass in a brace for making it sound like some sort of scandal.
Kerry needs to answer these questions. Enquiring minds wanna know.
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I watched Hardball the night before last. The guests were Brinkley (Kerry biographer) some Vietnam era jounalist whose name escapes me and Pat Buchanan. When Buchanan brought up the Cambodia at Christmas lie, Mathews actually waved his hand and dismissed the repeated falsehoods as poetic license! I almost put my foot through the TV. Mathews is revealing himself as a complete hack now. It was incredible to see. Not unexpected, just incredible because it was so blatant.
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#10-Kerry is falling back on his" sell 'em out to the North Vietnamese" buddy, John McCain, in his counter-attacks . I'm being straight here-what do you mean? That John McCain sold out to the north Vietnamese? I don't understand.
#15-Matthews is the new fatwa king of America, given this and his treatment of Michelle Malkin the other night. If he doesn't believe something, no one else can, nor can their ears even be assailed with the info.
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If Kerry crashs and burns, does the USS Democrat sink or does Flipper's replacement save the day? Would it be better to face a sinking Kerry or a freshly launched Hillary? Just asking...
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Roger Hedgecock, subbing for Rush said there was a report that Kerry had asked Meet the Press and 60 Minutes for time to "apologize" to the vets for some of his 1971 Senate hearing remarks. Anyone else hear this? It was on about 11:40 Pacific Time.
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Roger Hedgecock, subbing for Rush said there was a report that Kerry had asked Meet the Press and 60 Minutes for time to "apologize" to the vets for some of his 1971 Senate hearing remarks. Anyone else hear this? It was on about 11:40 Pacific Time.
Doesn't really matter. The only way his apology can possibly be sincere is if he resigns his candidacy. That would be the first right thing Kerry would ever do in his life.
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I agree badanov. If he does do this "apology", he will appear the most cynical bastard ever. This "apology", if sincere, should have come long ago.
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I wonder how Kerry will spin his apology into an attack on Bush? You know he is going to do it, the question is how. Any Viet Vets out there going to take his apology serious?
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Hopefully, most veterans will see it as another flip-flop for Kerry...just the other day his surrogate was saying he stands by what he said in 71.
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A sincere apology was not a possiblity that I would have thought was possible. It will be a late several nights for his handlers. They must be pretty capable. I wonder how much tweaking will happen in the focus groups.
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30+ years later, when he wants to be President ("It's my right! I planned for this all my life! I sought Public Office so I could suck the Public Tit and keep people from being able to question me! I wanna be President! Waaaaaa!"), he wants to say "I'm sorry. Just kidding, heh!" or whatever? Bwahahahahaha, I'd love to see him grovel, but I'm not banking on it. If it does happen, it will prove that desperation has set in. We shall see.
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.com, could be but I just couldn't take the isue of 8 naked guys singing to GOP conventioneers seriously. I'm glad no pictures were included as the innuendo was bad enough.
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Agreed - without reservation! I am amazed by the segment of society that believes themselves avant garde and daring. Something of a "If it feels wrong, do it!" mentality. Must make them feel all tingly and special. Lol!
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Aw, come on. I could just see the "Yatta!" guys entertaining the delegates. That is, if that J-pop group is still around... think Village People as a half-dozen overcaffeinated Japanese guys in fig-leaf shorts.
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"A review in the New York Times, posted on the show's website, noted that 'Naked Boys Singing' isn't for everybody . . . symbolic re-creations of masturbation and crude terms for it . . ." " . . . full frontally outrageous."
Maybe that sort of thing just doesn't sit well with the goals of the GOP Convention. Free country, right? Can't the convention organizers decide what they will, and will not, list as their recommended tourist attractions? Hate to break it to the managers of that show, but NY was chosen for the convention as a way to support the city, post 9/11--not to support the fringe. If people want to find the weird stuff, no one's stopping them, but the convention planners were right not to officially support it as a regular part of the convention experience.
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"Naked Boys Singing is the official Broadway musical of the New Jersey governor's mansion."
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Sounds terribly dull...I haven't yet seen male exotic dancers who could actually dance, and anything less is a turn-off rather than otherwise. But then, I'm female. Maybe the men here feel differently ;-)
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Funny. My fiancee used to live adjacent to the Boys Town neighborhood in Chicago where this show played for a long while. (Perhaps it still does.)
Seeing their headshots posted in the theater window led me to believe you couldn't find a more effeminate bunch of males anywhere.
Ah well... repetition evidently breeds tolerance. Or at least *quiet* eye-rolling.
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And of course the tired old cry of "censorship" rings out. The play's supporters also mention discrimination, now that might be a more accurate term. The Republicans are excersizing their right to use discrimnating TASTE for their conventioneers.
This is a Guest Op Ed by Maj. Gen. Patirck Brady for the Northwest Veterans Newsletter. I was going to edit it for length, but given that Gen. Brady holds the Congresional Medal of Honor I figured we ought to let him have his say about heros.
P. S. The citation does not tell the whole story of what Gen Brady did to earn the CMOH. Check out Don Sensing's post for a fuller description.
Guest Op-Ed by Maj. Gen. Patrick Brady
16 Aug 04
America has no kings or queens but we do have nobility — our nobility is called Veterans. That nobility is responsible for the bounty that is America but tragically their influence has faded in recent years and the values they died for are under attack. But this election year they are back in demand and some have said the veteran vote could decide this election. It may have put Bush in the White House. With this in mind, John Kerry is seldom seen with out his band of brothers and constantly plays the" hero" card as a cornerstone of his bid for president, indeed, as the definition of who he is. Kerry defines patriotism as "keeping faith with those who wear the uniform of this country. He also brags that he "defended this country as a young man". If Missouri is the show me state, Veterans are the show me voters — we are not much for words, deeds are our stock in trade. Lets look at Kerry's deeds.
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Read the whole article.
This isnt a swiftie - this is a genuine hero, CMH winner.
And he's knocking great big chunks off of Kerry and his post-war behavior.
I wonder when the MSM will finally pick up on this - its all over the blogosphere.
One thing is for sure, if they do NOT pick up on it in an investigative way, they will have shown their bias to be so insurmountable as to make them moot and destroy any credibility they have left - they have already permanently eroded it by trashing the swiftvets instead of investigating their charges (opposite of what they did regarding the left and Bush/Guard).
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Great letter--a true hero has proven himself and does not need continual, public affirmation. And he recognizes that he had a supporting cast who likely did not receive the credit and acclaim he did, so he works to ensure they do--he sure as hell doesn't abandon them and backstab them like a certain someone we all know.
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-snip- intro of Kerry's connection to Logan Airport security issues. Points aout that before Clinton made Garvey the head of the FAA, she was head of Logan Airport.
Garvey's Failures Exhaustively Documented
It is public knowledge that during the spring and summer of 2001, Garvey's FAA sent out a CD-ROM of potential terrorist threats prepared by her security chief, Mike Canavan, to 700 airlines and airport executives. The FAA also had extensive data about Al Qaida and bin Laden in its Criminal Acts Against Civil Aviation reports for 1999 and 2000.
But when Garvey testified before the 9/11 Commission, she claimed ignorance of any threats — saying that she hadn't seen the CD-ROM until after September 11! Which was apparently her inexcusable excuse for failing to alert the National Security Council and President Bush!
To wit, the 9/11 Commission's report, page 83, states: "⊠the FAA's intelligence unit did not receive much attention from the agency's leadership. Neither Administrator Jane Garvey nor her deputy routinely reviewed daily intelligence, and what they did see was screened for them. She was unaware of a great amount of hijacking threat information from her own intelligence unit, which, in turn, was not deeply involved in the agency's policymaking process. Historically, decisive security action took place only after (my emphasis) a disaster had occurred or a specific plot had been discovered."
Further, according to Kevin Berger of Salon.com, commenting on reaction to the 9/11 Commission's Report: "The focus on the wrenching series of failures among intelligence groups is important and justified. But all of the international intrigue, not to mention partisan sniping over what president or government agency was at fault, has deflected attention from the one culprit that gets a universal thrashing in the 9/11 report: the Federal Aviation Administration.
Jane Garvey's FAA, that is.
More of Garvey's Failures
Berger further documents the 9/11 Commission's findings of the grievous failings of the FAA under Garvey:
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2. Although government watch lists contained the names of tens of thousands of known terrorists, including a State Department TIP-OFF list with 60,000 names, the FAA's own "no-fly" list contained names of just 12 terrorist suspects.
5. And most damning, Jane Garvey did not review daily intelligence and so was "unaware of a great amount of hijacking threat information from her own intelligence unit."
It was also under Garvey that the then-Computer Assisted Passenger Profiling System, or CAPPS I was neutered. After 9/11, the program was renamed the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System, or CAPPs II, because, according to Sullivan, "of overzealous liberals, the American Civil Liberties Union and the diversity crowd who are hell-bent on insuring that political correctness is always implemented at the expense of our basic security."
And Sullivan cites additional flaws in Garvey's FAA, all of them omitted from the 9/11 Commission's report. For instance:
-snip- further details on FAA and Logan dereliction.
The Garvey-Kerry Connection
All of which brings us to Kerry's scariest choice.
Of all the security experts in the United States — which include former or active police chiefs, retired FBI and CIA operatives and private companies that spend 24/7/365 assessing threats and formulating "coping" strategies — Kerry chose Garvey as an "expert" consultant IN CHARGE OF SECURITY for the Democratic National Convention.
That's right, Jane Garvey, who was singled out by the "we won't point fingers" 9/11 Commission as taking action "only after a disaster had occurred âŠ" and whose FAA got "a universal thrashing" in the report.
A commentary in Aviation Insight & Perspectives said that: "Appointing Garvey head of convention security is like making John Gotti the head of the FBI."
But that's exactly what Kerry did. And now, according to the Journal of Commerce, Garvey's name "repeatedly surfaces as a likely candidate for transportation secretary" and she "is also privately advising the Kerry campaign on transport issues" (a role she denies is "formal").
Well, why not? After all, it was ultra-liberal Sen. Kerry and his ultra-liberal colleague, Sen. Ted Kennedy, who appointed Garvey to head the FAA in the first place. It is now crystal clear that Kerry, like Clinton before him, subscribes wholeheartedly to the Peter Principle!
Sadly, according to Brian Sullivan, "one single recommendation from the Gore Commission in 1997 to harden cockpit doors and enforce rules to keep them closed would have stopped the 9/11 attack cold. If the FAA's Garvey, the darling of the Democrats, and DOT's chief Norman Mineta, the darling of the diversity crowd, hadn't been asleep at the wheel, 9/11 wouldn't have happened, plain and simple."
But it did happen and now we're left to ponder how Kerry arrives at his disastrous choices?
A Cast of Thousands
According to recent reports, in contrast to the dozen or so experts that compose President Bush's campaign advisory staff, the Kerry campaign has 37 separate domestic-policy councils and 27 foreign-policy groups, each with dozens of members; a justice-policy taskforce and environmental taskforce that both include 195 participants; and 200 economic policy advisers.
Ostensibly, none of them could come up with anyone more qualified and less tainted in matters of national security than Jane Garvey! Or perhaps they had no say in the matter and it was Kerry alone and his by now highly questionable judgment that brought about this odd choice.
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Polio has spread to two more African countries where it had been eradicated, Guinea and Mali, highlighting the risk of a major outbreak across west and central Africa, international campaigners said. One case was confirmed in Guinea and two in Mali, the first in both countries since 1999, while three new cases were also detected in the Darfur region of west Sudan, according to the Global Polio Eradication Initiative. "The ongoing polio outbreak, which originated in northern Nigeria, continues to infect new countries, underscoring the threat of a major epidemic," the group, which includes the World Health Organization (WHO), said in a statement. An international drive to wipe out the paralyzing disease, which afflicts mainly children under five, has been hit by opposition to immunization in parts of northern Nigeria, where Muslim elders feared the vaccine could spread the killer HIV virus and cause infertility.
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And is that vaccine halal? Was the process overseen by an Imam trained in acceptable Halal practices? This is such a simple matter, infidels. We will grudging allow you to save us from diseases and disability to assuage your guilt complexes only if you will pay us appropriate baksheesh fees to oversee your medical facilities. It is so simple.
The Islamic center in Little Rock is proposing to build a Muslim community at 40th and Potter Street, near the John Barrow neighborhood. The community would include houses, a school, a community center, and a mosque. Already some residents living near the proposed site have expressed concerns. Fearing Islam is associated with terrorist activity. Local Islamic leaders are asking residents to study the religion before judging it. They say Islam is a religion of peace, not terror. The planning commission will meet to discuss the site Thursday at 4pm.
Local Islamic leaders in Little Rock? The mind boggles...
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Remember how communities used to designate themselves as "Nuclear Free Zones"? Well, what if a community made an official declaration that "Islam, the entire religion, is incompatible with freedom, democracy, civil rights, and equality before the law." As evidenced in *not* what is written about Islam, or excuses made for Islam, but how Islam is *practiced* in the world.
Take this with a pinch of salt, I suppose its veracity will be revealed very shortly...
A coordinated online strike against Internet servers by terrorists, dubbed "electronic jihad," may or may not strike this week, security experts said. One security researcher in Moscow warned that Thursday would be the day in question. But a recent string of attacks on primary Internet services and the unraveling of major encryption routines are raising concerns in the Internet operator community. According to a Tuesday RIA Novosti report, Russian security researcher Yevgeny Kaspersky, founder of Moscow-based Kaspersky Labs International, said a strike against political and financial sites was expected on Thursday.
"The hackers who have proclaimed 'electronic jihad' have enough experience and resources to paralyze the Internet for several hours at least," Kaspersky said in the report. "The e-jihad has been discussed for years, but an undisputed attack has yet to surface," said Ken Dunham, director of malicious code at iDefense Inc. of Reston, Va. For the most part, coordinated "hacktivist" attacks have been "more talk than walk," he added...
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HMMMM. This afternoon a program called "distributed COM services" tried to turn my computer into a server. The firewall stopped it and it's now blocked. I hope all you folks with broadband internet service have a firewall to control access to the internet. Dot com what's the best course of action if someone suspects they have been hijacked by these scum?
Please remind us whether MS operating systems can prevent such access to the internet.
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Well, if you're running Windows and using IE here's the key bit to set. The first 3 ActiveX settings under Security Tab / Internet Zone - as you can see in the image.
Beyond that - you Firefox guys will have to talk about any loopholes it may have, if any.
Everyone should be using a firewall that controls what can access the Internet. Even if you get some piece of shit app on your machine, you can shut off its access to the outside world with a configurable firewall. Getting it OFF your machine, may be a different matter - and one that's so specific that I can offer no generic answer.
Get AdAware, at the least, and use it to clean off the tracking cookies and such. Try Spybot to remove the shit that tries to report your cookies to its master - out there. Again, the firewall can stop if even if you get bitten. I've only seen ONE varmint that couldn't be removed - and it depends upon you allowing unsigned and unsafe ActiveX stuff to execute on the machine - which is prevented by the settings in the image file.
Also, versions of Server and XP Pro should shut down services that allow external control of your machine and / or ability to change machine policy settings. I will NOT get specific because I am not anyone's security consultant, nor am I fishing to be. Go to the MS KnowledgeBase and seek for yourself. Sorry. If you start playing with Services settings - make note of everything you touch BEFORE you touch it so you can undo it when it turns out to be a mistake, lol!
So make sure your settings are fixed as shown.
If there are any real MS Gurus out there who wish to correct or expand, plz do - I don't feel particularly comfortable being an MS spokesman and security expert - I only know what I know, and that's far short of everything. I use all sort of stuff, not just MS, BTW, so I'm not promoting them - I just happen to use Windows and IE at the moment.
And do not hook it back up until that PC is disinfected and protected.
2) if you have to ask here what to do, you are better off taking your compromised computer to Microcenter or CompUSA (Or dell, etc) and getting them to fix it.
3a) If you dont have any data that you care about, use the recovery CD that your computer came with from Dell/Compaq/etc. Or else get our that install CD that you used to put Windows on the box BOOT FROM THE CD! and reinstall the operating system, and be sure to format the hard drive as part of this process.
3b) If you have data you want preserved, and you are nto technologically proficient, see step 2.
4) If you are on broadband, get a hardware firewall/router and have the people at the computer store set it up for you. Be sure before you get your computer back online that you have a) Antivirus installed and up to date, b) a personal firewall installed, c) have the tech folks help you turn off all the unneeded bells and whistles, and d) get them to install a NON_microsoft email packages and a NON-miscrosoft browser. Eudora is great for the former, and Mozialla's "Firefox" browser is fantastic for the latter.
At this point, the only place your machine should ever be hooked up is behind a firewall/router, and you shoudl update the spyware-scanner/remover and anti-virus software at least every 7 days. Be sure to keep up wiht microsoft patches as well - but do them AFTER you have all your security software up to date.
Or you could do what I do, and run Linux for everything except playing computer games. :-)
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"...a strike against political and financial sites was expected on Thursday."
Heard somebody was gonna post the URLs on Slashdot. :-)
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Thanks, .com for reminding me to run AdAware and Spybot. Haven't run them in couple of weeks and Spybot caught something and cleared it. I also run Aladdin's InternetCleanup every night before I go beddy bye. That program allows me to clear selected cache, cookies, history, X controls and plug-ins plus some other stuff.
Thanks again, I wasn't trying to rope you in to consulting, but yours and OS suggestions may help someone through the next internet attack.
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Anon4021, so to put it another way, there's nothing to say that President Bush couldn't have been killed or seriously hurt while he was a NG fighter pilot here at home...and that he took great risks to serve his country, too even though he didn't serve in country in Vietnam like John "I still have rice kernels in my right buttcheek" Kerry.
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Holy cow! Hadn't gotten to that one, yet - wow! I wonder if they had their expectations synch'd with the reality of what happened. Somehow, I think this "staged" demo was a tad more violent and "successful" than even they expected! In other words, I hope that truck didn't actually have an occupant!
The United States has called for the building of a "coalition of the willing" to push for regime change to end the crisis in Zimbabwe. The new American ambassador to South Africa, Jendayi Frazer, said quiet diplomacy pursued by South Africa and other African countries in its dealings with the Zimbabwe president needed a review because there was no evidence it was working. She said her country would be willing to be part of a coalition if invited. The US could not act on its own, "put the boot on the ground" and give President Robert Mugabe 48 hours to go as requested by beleaguered Zimbaweans but the US would be willing to work in a coalition with other countries to return Zimbabwe to democracy. Ms Frazer, in a meeting with journalists in Johannesburg yesterday, said: "There is clearly a crisis in Zimbabwe and everyone needs to state that fact. The economy is in a free fall. There is a continuing repressive environment. There needs to be a return to democracy..."
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It's horrible what's happening in Zim, but the US has no real strategic interests and is unlikely to put boots on the ground. UK has some responsibility but not enough boots, especially not with so many in Iraq. US & UK may finance something but SA is a huge regional power and this is their chance to stand up and be counted (one way or the other). I would guess that this US "coalition of the willing" is a front simply to pressure Zimbabwae or to give political cover for SA to come to the rescue.
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Zim may not be recoverable even if a bunch of "willing" internationalists were found. Once the looting locusts strip all the copper wire out of the infrastructure the country is back to square one. How are you going to interest a businessman in building a factory in a country that doesn't even have electrical power anymore. Someone might point out that Zimbabwe has not been looted to the extent that I am portraying. I think we can all agree, though, that whatever is currently still working in Zimbabwe will be significantly damaged or removed that after the process of de-Magabezation.
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RJ, As I recall, S.Africa's President Mbeki openly and highly approves of the way his "brother" Bob is running things in Zimbabwe, so I can't imagine that political cover from the Americans would be welcomed. Of course, if somebody explained things to him properly....
A Jordanian man forced his wife to sit on the bonnet of their car as he drove through the streets of the capital to "punish" her after they had an argument, Al Dustour newspaper reported on Wednesday. As a result, the 22-year-old woman fell and was admitted to hospital with numerous broken bones and a concussion, the daily said, adding that she was in "moderate condition". Her 27-year-old husband was arrested. Al Dustour described the incident as a "curious method of punishing wives" and said it was the first of its kind in Jordan.
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If you can get a newspaper in Jordan take notice of a "curious method of punishing wives", you've really accomplished something. Unless they said it in admiration ...
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What's the usual method, a beating? Or a 4 inch stick of wood (officially sanctioned weapon of Islamicist husbands, apparently), wedged neatly into the eye socket? It shut Frances Farmer up, didn't it?
Apparently she didn't realize that you can't argue if you're a wife of a Muslim. Ever.
Sir Mark Thatcher has been arrested over claims that he was involved in a plot to overthrow the government of Equatorial Guinea. South African police said Sir Mark, the son of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, was arrested at his home in Cape Town. Spokesman Sipho Ngwema said he was expected to be charged with violation of the foreign military assistance act. Mr Ngwema said: "We have evidence, credible evidence, and information he was involved in the attempted coup. "We refuse that South Africa be a springboard for coups in Africa and elsewhere." Sir Mark was expected to appear in court later.
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Keep in mind that this is an official United States Government publication.
On the surface, it may seem like the United States and the Middle East are worlds apart, two separate cultures with little in common and no historical connections. Oh, I don't know. The West and the Muslim world have rabid antisemitism and multicultural propaganda in common, along with such prominent connections as the Battle of Tours, the rape of Constantinople, the Siege of Vienna, the Battle of Omdurman, and of course, the events of 9-11-01.
In fact, there is considerable evidence to the contrary.
... much of it fabricated.
Though little known, Islamic influence runs deep in American culture. A number of the words Americans speak, foods Americans eat, buildings Americans design, decorative items Americans create, and traditions Americans treasure can trace their roots to the Islamic world. Our 50th state, Al-Asqa, is an obvious example, along with the Canuckistani province of Al-Berta.
The expression "so long!" for example, originated with the Malay "salang," which came from the Arabic "salaam." So there you have it.
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A.C. that's not nice of you. Don't you know that we're supposed to be respectful towards all the rich cultures and diverse peoples throughout history??!! Except for the Europeans and their colonies. They were all murderous, slave trading ususrpers whose only achievements came with the help of people like the Moro navigator, without whom Columbus would never have even made it to the Azores, much less Hispaniola.
And what's this about a list of Columbus's crew?! You're telling me that this Muslim navigator is a myth? Well it's obviously true because I believe it.
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Hee hee. The Islamos obviously also invented logic.
Incidentally, the Greeks and Romans knew the size and distance of the Moon to a fair standard of accuracy, something many Islamos do not accept to this day.
One Hipparchus of Rhodes determined this in the second century BC. By measuring the angular size of the Earth's shadow on the Moon during eclipses, he determined their relative sizes. Knowing the circumference, and therefore the diameter, of the Earth from Eratosthenes, he was able to determine the Moon's actual diameter and, from its measured angular diameter, its distance.
His figures were within about 4% of currently accepted values. He tried to determine the distance to the Sun as well, but we now know that this was hopeless with the knowledge and instruments (mostly notched sticks) at his disposal.
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While we are on the subject, my nominee for the greatest feat of scientific deduction in history is Ole Christensen Rømer's reasonably accurate determination of the speed of light in 1676. What must it have been like to scratch away at the figures with a quill pen, by candlelight, with a primitive Galilean telescope in the corner, and arrive at the astonishing result, and know that it was true?
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It appears, in fact, that the Islamos and their shills cannot even invent their own lies.
A lot of this looks like recycled Afro-centrist propaganda to me.
I tried my hand once at a parody of Afro-centrist revisionism. I came up with a story about how the evil Scottish pirate James Watt had stolen the steam engine from the peaceful and dignified people of Dahomey, then used his diabolical Celtic magic to erase their memories of how to make and use the device.
It always amazed me that multi-cultists could speak of Europeans "stealing" an idea as though this were literally the same as stealing a stereo or a car, that is, that the original owner would be deprived of its use in the process.
I thought the Watt story was pretty funny, but it was a failure as parody since it was no more absurd than actual Afro-centrist propaganda.
I remember an Afro-centrist claiming that Eu-ROPE was called that because some group of wise ancient African rulers had insisted on putting a ROPE, a barrier of some kind, around it to keep its evil Cro-Magnon inhabitants from spilling out and contaminating the world. I shit you not.
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Ha! Just like a cold ice-cave person to steal the goodness and wisdom of the warm sun people. Evil!
When it comes to tickling people's favorite fancy - nothing is off limits. Even people who are, otherwise, sane, rational, scientific method, logical folks - will jump off the feel-good cliff, lol! All lies in jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. So simple - and simply boggling, heh.
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They are trying this on in Australia too. The residual cultural effects from 19th Century Pakistani camel herders- a mosque or two and a taste for chilis, is now billed as a Moslem origin for Aboriginal Australians. Whose origins are genuinely lost in the mist of time.
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One (more or less serious) question - I remember being taught that the Arabs did do a lot of pioneering early astronomy work, one reason why so many stars have Arabic names - I've always assumed there's at least some truth to that.
Mike
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Yes Mike the arabs did a lot of astronomy.
However, virtually all the arab scientists of note were apostates.
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This reminds me of the lie that is often told that was the moslems alone who preserved the light of classical learning during western Europes dark ages. We are supposed to believe that we owe our entire civilization to them because they so generously brought us moral, scientific, and philosophical enlightenment through their great clasical scholars. BS
This of course completely disregards the fact that among Christian monks in the West the light of learning never died and the fact that the highly educated CHRISTIAN Byzantine empire existed until the 1500's. After the fall of Constantinople, guess who fled to the West? Hmmmm? Greek scholars perhaps? Funny how Europe began to rise at exactly the same time, isn't it?
There is ample evidence on the other hand that all of the so-called great islamic achievments can be easily attributed to guess who, the greeks again but also the Hindus of India, the Persians and the literate Christian Assyrians who were the original inhabitants of todays Iraq. Some people would like to have us believe that such things as the concept of zero were absolutely unheard of before moslems discovered them. BS. As if islam existed in this pure vaccum where no other influence was available when in fact there was an amazing confluence of ancient civilizations in the area. Want to talk about stealing ideas you need look no further than the muslims who seem to have stolen every good idea from the people's they attacked and subjugated.
Yet were entirely unable to surpass those acheivements. Take, for instance, St Sophia in Istanbul compared with the mosque built close to it in an attempt to surpass it. Even in its criminally neglected state, the church is still quite possibly the most ethereal structure in existence, while the mosque is merely big and pretty. All over the moslem world we find that, hey moslems in the past were smart enough to learn from the greats that came before them, and also that they had some talented people like the guy who designed the Taj Mahal. But we would be very hard pressed to find any evidence of the kind of epoch making brilliance evidenced by the Greeks.
I always wonder if there wasn't some cultural memory present in the West that knew what to do with the Greek treasures that moslems just didn't have. While they were able to appreciate it, they were not able to substantially expand on it. But once that heritage was back in the hands of its true heirs (Through Rome and the Church) the expansion of that knowledge was positively explosive.
Long before Islam saw the light of day in the seventh century A.D. there were arabs, and Persians (you remember the Three Wise Men who followed a STAR...they were Zorasterians). Constellations having arab names is a stretch to say they're Islamic in origin.
Arabs (many of them Christian) and Phoneicians (revered many of the Greek Gods) sailed throughout the Med, Indian Ocean and into the Atlantic and Pacific.
Don't get me wrong, while I'm all for giving the followers of Islam their due, let's not buy into this latter-day Do Do!
You make a good point about not equating Arab with islam. We shouldn't forget that for the entire period of Islamic acheivement, there were millions of Christians living along side them. I'm talking substantial numbers and without a doubt more than enough to have a substantial impact. Is easy to think of the early islamic period as monolithically islamic but the popualtions of each faith were damn near equal for a good period of time before the numbers of Christians began dwindling due to outrageously discriminatory polices towards them which made converting to islam very attractive to many of them. It is a mistake that is often made to think that the Middle East became almost 100% islamic instantaneously as if someone just flipped a switch.
It is also telling that as Muslim numbers increased and Christian numbers decreased, so also did islamic civilization, until nowadays the Middle East is almost 100% islamic but it is also one of the most hopeless and barbaric regions in the whole world. Once the conquered cultures were entirely oppressed and reduced to negligible numbers, the record of islamic acheivement began to dry up. Funny that, isnt it?
Now don't get me wrong. I am not saying that Christians are somehow intellectually superior to moslems, some kind of master race BS. But Christianity, like many other religions, created a successful and sustainable climate for human acheivement which in its case has lasted 2000 yrs. Islam could only borrow, use, and appreciate that kind of acheivement but it is without an engine of its own to sustain such a climate. It actually works against such acheivement wherever it is entirely dominant. Christianity also had some unique features which allowed for the kind of climate where modern scientific enquiry could flourish (though not without hiccups). Once the relatively liberal Christian culture began to disappear from the East and arabs had nothing but islam to work with, the result was stagnation.
islam is quite frankly alone among the religions in that it works against human achievement to a remarkable degree. Having looked long and hard at the evidence, I think that Christianity, while also admittedly flawed, has been the most conducive. I attribute this to several features including a love of representative art, and the separation of church and secular life combined with the vigor and moral clarity that comes from Hebrew monotheism. It has made a big difference for the church to stand at the side of society encouraging it and serving as a check on it, rather than a situation where religion is hopelessly inseparable from all aspects of life.
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Excellent discourse, Peggy.
VDH, in the Lepanto chapter of Carnage and Culture, points out how dependent the Ottoman Empire's military was dependent on raiding Christian families of recruits and forcibly converting them to Islam.
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Peggy, "I am not saying that Christians are somehow intellectually superior to Muslims." OK I will say it "we are!" Christianity went through its darks ages where they shunned technology, advances in medicine, and made up new ways to torture (or convert) non believers. We (most western nations are Christian/Judeo) have moved beyond that. Some sects of Islam are stuck in the middle ages and donât want to come out culturally. The only successful example of Islam melding with the 21st century would be Turkey and lets face it they are not an economic powerhouse yet. So yes we are richer, smarter, more advanced and yes better than all Muslim nations. To claim that we are equals in any measure of a society would be disingenuous. Not bragging or trying to degrade them, it simply a statement of fact. And who friggin cares who named the Moon, Mars, or Jupiter? What counts is who is exploring them today!
I wasn't trying to be disingenuous. I was trying to make a distinction between Arab people's raw intelligence and the results of islam. I don't believe that we are any smarter. Actually that is a fact. We're not any smarter. We are only more fortunate to have a culture that best encourages human acheivement. Our relative levels of intelligence have nothing to do with the argument. Given the same degree of intelligence and talent, the differences in outcome between ours and islamic culture is cultural and religious. I think that everyone here agrees on that.
Turkey is not a successful example of islam in the modern world. islam cannot be successfully practiced in the world without amending it in ways not natural to it. In the case of Turkey, Attaturk enforced the total secularization of public institutions which is absolutely contrary to islamic teaching. From that point Turkey began to succeed. In other cases of what seems like success, for instance, Indonesia, the fact is that islam is more a cultural identification which has been mixed with other native traditions and beliefs. So it developed into a more moderate form which is largely responsible for whatever success that country sees today.
Pure islam is not able to succeed unless it grafts itself onto another culture until that culture dies. When the host culture is dead, all significant acheivement ends also.
via AP / SFGate (h/t Lucianne) EFL
DAVID CRARY - (08-24) 14:05 PDT THESSALONIKI, Greece
The Iraqi soccer team's improbable run at an Olympic gold medal ended Tuesday night with a 3-1 semifinal loss to Paraguay. The Iraqis still have a chance for a bronze, which would be their war-weary nation's first medal in 44 years.
File under signs and portents: They were going great guns until they decided to shoot off their mouths and diss Bush. Karl Rove prob'ly gave 'em the old hairy eyeball and things fell apart for them...
Paraguay made history of its own, getting two goals from Jose Cardozo and one from Fredy Bareiro to advance to Saturday's gold-medal game against Argentina, a 3-0 winner over Italy. Gold or silver, it will be the first Olympic medal of any sort for Paraguay. Iraq and Italy will play for the bronze Friday night. "It was the will of God," said Iraq's coach, Adnan Hamad. "We had lots of chances, but it did not happen for us."
It was the hairy eyeball that dunnit. Shoulda looked up the definition of "gratitude."
Just qualifying for the Olympics was a feat for the Iraqis, who have been unable to play home games since war began in March 2003. They clinched a berth in May, just three months after their country was reinstated by the International Olympic Committee. ...more...
Insha'allah, huh? Okay. Right. Well, nice run anyway, gents!
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"It was the will of God," said Iraqâs coach, Adnan Hamad.
Perhaps God was making a statement to INGRATES who give insulting interviews to "Sports Illustrated"?
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Perhaps God is making a statement about a team with at least one guy on it who wishes he too could be killing the soldiers who liberated him and who rid the world of that sadistic torturer Uday.
But according to them its just God's will. End of story. Of course they couldn't have done anything to deserve it. Who can figure out why God would deny good muslims a gold medal? "Beats us", sez all the muslims.
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I'm with you guys!
These Iraqis need to lighten way up on the fatalistic "if Allan wills it" and focus on what's real like GRATITUDE for being liberated from tyrannical evil and a sense of reality for who their true friends in the world are.
They wouldn't have been in the Olympics at all if it weren't for OIF as Iraq was suspended from competition for human rights abuses.
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