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India-Pakistan
Musharraf's Martial Law
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/06/2007 15:10 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Police confronted and reportedly beat with batons some who were part of what was said to be thousands of protesters led by lawyers on the streets in Lahore, home of the Supreme Court. Police also confronted and beat back protesters in other cities. But the protests are not yet epic in size. That's still to come. And it;s the police forces, the most loyal to Musharraf, and not the Army. That is also coming.

Will the Army put down tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands at a time protesting in the streets of Lahore, Islamabad, Karachi and elsewhere? It's coming, and we will soon find out. I have serious doubts they will.

If they do not – and there is good reason to believe they will may not – Musharraf is in even deeper trouble than he is in today. He will have lost the public and the Army – many of whom are already defecting to the Taliban and al-Qaeda in a steady stream, though not much is discussed of this. Musharraf cannot last if he loses support of the army.


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The liberals want to gain power through democratic means in order to ensure an open democratic system going forward. The Taliban and al-Qaeda Islamists – through those that identify with them in the large six party religious political alliance Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) – seeks to gain power through the democratic system in order to destroy the institution of democracy and replace it with Sharia rule.

This is why occasional talk now about the rise of Maulana Fazlur Rehman, the leader of the MMA, as someone the West can do business with is somewhat troubling. He said in a 2003 interview, “It has never been MMA's policy to use force to implement Islam. Islam is not a religion of coercion or extremism. The Frontier province is the most peaceful province in the country.” As he says, the MMA party doesn't seek violence. However, it seeks to use the institution of democracy in Pakistan to remove the institution of democracy in Pakistan. Rehman, after all, has been considered by some to be the “godfather of the Taliban.”

Yet, I say 'somewhat troubling' because there are some intimately familiar with the MMA and its members who are convinced a majority of them have turned from the Taliban now that they are in Pakistan and not elsewhere in Afghanistan. Providing them an alternative – or considering such – is not an unhealthy exercise if so. After all, we did not turn the 1920's Brigades insurgents in Iraq by killing them all. We found common ground and leveraged it. And now they hunt and kill al-Qaeda, not our troops.
Posted by: KBK || 11/06/2007 18:27 Comments || Top||

#2  so....clubbing and gassing lawyers and islamists..where's the downside as long as he keeps the nukes secure?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/06/2007 18:54 Comments || Top||


The case of Musharraf and the drunk uncle
By Mohammad Hanif

Pakistan's General Pervez Musharraf deserves our sympathy.

Not because he has been forced to carry out a coup against his own regime, not because his troops are being kidnapped en masse by Pakistani Taliban and then awarded Rs 500 for good behaviour, not because he himself has become a prisoner in his Army House and can't even nip out for coffee and Paan as he used to, but because he has utterly lost his grip over grammar.

In my 15 years in journalism, I have covered three coups. And as I walked towards my office last Saturday, I had the cynicism of someone who has seen it all before. As I entered the BBC offices on a chilly Saturday afternoon in London, a senior Pakistan hand, who like me had interrupted his cosy weekend to cover the story, wondered aloud why the general was taking so long before appearing on national television and explaining his actions.

"His speech writer is too old for all this excitement. He is probably taking his time," I said. Barrister Sharifuddin Peerzada has midwifed every single coup in Pakistan and when General Musharraf took over in 1999, we had to wait until 3 am for him to address the nation. The nation listened to his 10 minutes of neatly turned out verbosity and, relieved, went to sleep. Peerzada may lack in democratic credentials, but he cares about his syntax.

Last Saturday as I arrived at my desk, Musharraf had already started his address. And it was immediately clear to me that he had fallen into that aging dictator's familiar trap: He had written his own speech.

I exaggerate because he only occasionally glanced at his notes and for 40 minutes talked, well, gibberish; the kind of stuff that only journalists and think-tank-wallahs would take seriously.

I was so unsettled --�not by what he was saying, but by the way he was saying it --�that I listened to the entire speech again last night.

I have been accused of punctuation abuse often enough to take these things in my stride, but for the 40 minutes that General Musharraf spoke in Urdu, he didn't use one proper sentence.

He replaced his verbs with hand gestures, nouns slipped off his shrugged shoulders, adjectives quivered under his desk.

And when he said, "Extremists have gone very extreme," it suddenly occurred to me why his speech pattern seemed so familiar. He was that uncle that you get stranded with at a family gathering when everybody else has gone to sleep but there is still some whisky left in the bottle. And uncle thinks he is about to say something very profound -- if you would only pour him one last one.

Consider this; in the middle of his speech when everyone was silently urging him to get to the point, losing the thread of his diatribe about how judicial activism was responsible for the rise of jihadis in Pakistan, he abruptly said, "I have imposed emergency," then looked into the camera, waved his hand in a dismissive gesture and said, "You must have seen it on TV."

He forgot to mention that he had pulled the plug on all television channels except the State-run television. It might sound like old-school dictator talk, but just imagine if somebody took away your television and then told you, 'Oh, did you see that thing on TV?'

For those who haven't suffered General Musharraf's regime directly, he can come across as a rakish figure, a daredevil who easily switches between his camouflage commando uniform and designer suits and then half sleeved shirts for attending fashion shows -- his favourite cultural activity before he was forced to abandon it because of security concerns.

His CV is impressive: Here is a man who can manage the frontline on America's war and terror, get rid of three prime ministers and scores of generals and still find time to write an autobiography and then get George W Bush to endorse it in front of the world media.

I visited Delhi soon after Musharraf's failed Agra summit and he seemed to have earned the grudging respect of the Delhi elite. My Indian colleagues looked at stone-faced Vajpayee and wondered, why can't the new shining India have a handsome leader like Musharraf. One south Delhi resident claimed�his wife had started watching Pakistani channels obsessively just to get a glimpse of our commando President.

I reminded my Indian friend of Musharraf's Kargil adventure. "How come you have forgotten your Kargil widows so soon?" I said. "Well come off it, he is a bit of a matinee idol from the fifties," I was told. I am not a big fan of period Bollywood, so I kept quiet.

As I watched the speech this Saturday, I wondered if my Indian friend's wife saw the same Musharraf that I saw on my screen. He was like that uncle that I mentioned earlier, who after a couple of drinks not only wants to explain the meaning of life, but also why he is the most misunderstood man in the world, how your aunt never valued him, why the world is run by a cabal of Jewish gays and why Japanese technology is a disgrace.

You want to take the bottle away and tell him to get some sleep. He wants to tell you he loves you more than his own son and now can you pour him another drink.

I am not even remotely suggesting that Musharraf was drunk when he addressed the nation. No, it was something far more sinister. He seemed to be having an out of body experience, there he sat in his sherwani reading an order written by his uniformed alter ego, wagging a finger at himself, accusing his own government of spreading terrorism.

And let's not forget that when I say Pakistani government, I mean General Pervez Musharraf.

Here are some random things he said. And trust me, these things were said quite randomly:

Yes, he did say, "Extremism bahut extreme ho gaya hai (extremism has become too extreme)."

"Hum se koi darta hi nahin (nobody is scared of us anymore)."

"Islamabad mein extremist bharay houay hain (Islamabad is full of extremists)."

"Hakumat ke andar hakumat bana rakhi hai (there is a government within government)."

"Har waqt bas court ke chakkar lagatey rehtay hain (officials are being asked to go to the courts every other day)."

"Officials ki beizzati kartay hain (officials are being insulted by the judiciary)."

At one point he appeared wistful when reminiscing about his first three years in power -- "mera total control thha (I had total control)." You were almost tempted to ask: What happened then, uncle?

But obviously, uncle didn't need any prompting. He launched into his routine about three stages of democracy. He claimed he was about to launch the third and final phase of democracy (the way he said it, he managed to make it sound like the Final Solution). And just when you thought he was about to make his point, he took an abrupt turn and plunged into a deep pool of self pity.

This involved a long-winded anecdote about how the Supreme Court judges would rather attend a colleagues' daughter's wedding rather than just get it over with and decide that he is a constitutional President.

As I said, I have heard some dictator speeches in my life, but nobody has gone so far as to mention someone's daughter's wedding for imposing martial law in the country.

When for the last few minutes of his speech he addressed his audience in the West in English, I suddenly felt a deep sense of humiliation. This part of his speech was scripted. Sentences began and ended. I felt humiliated that my President not only thinks that we are not evolved enough for things like democracy and human rights, but because we can't even handle concepts like proper syntax and grammar.

Abraham Lincoln was quoted. The slow and painful evolution of Western democracy was evoked. Idealists were told to manage their expectations and then there was the obligatory poetic flourish: "I would not let this country commit suicide."

Sure, a colleague chipped in, I would rather strangle it with my own hands.

As he closed his speech with a rather poetic "forever Pakistan, forever," and the national anthem started to play, it occurred to me that our whole nation is probably feeling like a Kargil widow by now.

With no cable television to console her sorrows.
Posted by: john frum || 11/06/2007 05:46 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  he has been forced to carry out a coup against his own regime

Hee, hee, I like this one. Pretty descriptive.

judicial activism was responsible for the rise of jihadis in Pakistan

I'm pretty fuzzy on this whole issue, but obviously it's important because this is the source of the conflict. In all I've read about Pakistan, I haven't heard of this - someone want to link to an explanation of the situation?
Posted by: gromky || 11/06/2007 9:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Bravo Mr. Hanif! Bravo! This article is a riot.
Posted by: Secret Master || 11/06/2007 10:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Well yes, "Extremism has become too extreme," drunken uncle.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/06/2007 11:09 Comments || Top||

#4  the kind of stuff that only journalists and think-tank-wallahs would take seriously

Think-tank-wallahs goes into the dictionary. Heh.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/06/2007 13:10 Comments || Top||

#5  He was like that uncle that I mentioned earlier, who after a couple of drinks not only wants to explain the meaning of life, but also why he is the most misunderstood man in the world, how your aunt never valued him, why the world is run by a cabal of Jewish gays and why Japanese technology is a disgrace.

Guys like Hanif offer a glimmer of hope for the Islamic world.
Posted by: Secret Master || 11/06/2007 13:20 Comments || Top||

#6  Quite a number of people who watched the Urdu part of the speech thought that Musharraf was actually drunk.

Posted by: john frum || 11/06/2007 15:45 Comments || Top||


'Pakistan needs military for its cohesion'
* Stratfor says Musharraf’s source of power lies exclusively with military
* Says president plans to delay elections

Pakistan requires a unified military to ensure cohesion because the Pakistani military has been the guarantor of the state from the beginning and thus the arbiter of Pakistani politics, according to a commentary released by Stratfor.

The US-based news intelligence service said President General Pervez Musharraf’s coup in 1999 made clear Pakistan’s underlying reality, namely that it is a deeply divided entity, which it is not quite reasonable to call a nation, presided over by a state. Whatever the formal character of the state, be it democratic, military, Islamist or otherwise, the greatest threat to Pakistan’s territorial integrity comes from the divisions among the country’s various ethnic groups, Stratfor maintained. Whatever demonstrations there are, whatever politicians may say, whether elections are held or not - so long as military cohesion holds, the military will be the glue of society.
Don't confuse the Pak military with an actual armed force. It's a uniformed oligarchy, much better at providing economic security for officers (retired or otherwise) than it is at winning wars. It's incompetent when engaged by a real army, such as India's or... ummm... India's. It's adequate for oppressing the country's urban population, but totally inept when faced by minimally competent but well-armed tribesmen. Pakistain is actually four or more ministates: Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, and Pashtunistan. None of the ministates have much affection or use for any of the others. I believe the technical term we're looking for here is "dog's breakfast."
Posted by: Fred || 11/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  Pakistan is a praetorian state.

The praetorian state, in which the military politically assists sectional interests it favors, is a common entity in the 3rd world. In the praetorian system, the military is reticent about completing its absorption of complete power because it knows it must resolve political controversies in favor of a class that is politically weak. Such an intervention could destroy the prestige of the institution and, more seriously, make its political objectives more difficult to accomplish.
Posted by: john frum || 11/06/2007 5:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Pakistan only bind is religion and therefore those who profit from it have encouraged fundamentalism (and hate of non-Muslims) in order to prevent Pashtouns and Balushis from thinking on their national and economic reality.

The question also is what good we get from the existence of Pakistan? IMHO, none. And lot of evil comes from there.

Therefore...
Posted by: JFM || 11/06/2007 9:05 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Iran draws up its position paper re: Iraq
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It is too bad the American people will never fully appreciate how stupid the Democratic candidates for prez were for advocating diplomacy/negotiations with Iran as the means to end America's involvement in Iraq.
Posted by: Grumenk Philalzabod0723 || 11/06/2007 4:17 Comments || Top||

#2  There are no useful negotiations to be had with Iran. How about dictating surrender terms?
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/06/2007 11:13 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Other than those glaring errors, the rest of it was OK. Or not. Hard to tell.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/06/2007 12:43 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  and Jeffrey Rosen actually gets paid for that....
Posted by: Frank G || 11/06/2007 12:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Quality control, people, quality control!
Posted by: Mike || 11/06/2007 13:14 Comments || Top||

#3  All the News that's Fit to Print. We even make some up and add it on so there's more of it.
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/06/2007 14:33 Comments || Top||

#4  Revenues are down. Now it's just "All the News That Fits"
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/06/2007 14:49 Comments || Top||

#5  All the news that fits the agenda, even.
Posted by: eLarson || 11/06/2007 16:48 Comments || Top||

#6  Revenues are down. Now it's just "All the News That Fits"

All the news that's printed to fit, now git the hell awaye from me type shoppe.
Posted by: Thomas Woof || 11/06/2007 18:36 Comments || Top||



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Tue 2007-11-06
  Suicide bomber kills scores in northern Afghanistan
Mon 2007-11-05
  Around 60 Taliban, four police dead in Afghan attacks
Sun 2007-11-04
  Opp vows to resist emergency
Sat 2007-11-03
  Musharraf imposes state of emergency
Fri 2007-11-02
  Anbar leaders visit US, stress partnership
Thu 2007-11-01
  Bus bomb kills eight, injures 56 in Russia
Wed 2007-10-31
  Iraqi Special Forces Detains AQI Commander in Khadra
Tue 2007-10-30
  Crew of North Korean Pirated Vessel Regains Control
Mon 2007-10-29
  Baghdad: Gunmen kidnap 10 anti-al-Qaida tribal leaders
Sun 2007-10-28
  80 Talibs escorted from gene pool at Musa Qala
Sat 2007-10-27
  Pakistani forces launch offensive against militants in Swat valley
Fri 2007-10-26
  Mehsuds formally ask army to leave Tank compound
Thu 2007-10-25
  India jails 31 for life over 1998 blasts
Wed 2007-10-24
  Binny demands reinforcements for Iraq
Tue 2007-10-23
  PKK offers conditional ceasefire


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