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-Lurid Crime Tales-
FBI--Threatening Letters Hoax
On Monday, a series of threatening letters filled with an unknown powder started showing up at financial institutions across America, causing a massive response and ensuing multi-agency investigation led by the FBI and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service in concert with state and local authorities.

FBI: It's a pending investigation, but here's what we can tell you:

... So far, we've identified more than 50 letters, nearly all of which use threatening language identical to the text shown above. The letters have all been mailed from Texas and postmarked at Amarillo.

... Most of the letters contained some sort of powdery substance. All field tests to date have turned up negative--the powder appears harmless. Additional testing is taking place at regional laboratories.

... The letters have been sent to at least 11 states, including Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, and Virginia.

... The following three institutions have received letters:

Chase Bank;
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, or FDIC, an independent federal agency; and
The U.S. Office of Thrift Supervision, which regulates all federal and many state thrift institutions.

You can help. Please study the images above(at link) and see if you recognize the phrasing of the letter, the envelope label, or any other clue that you think might help investigators. The U.S. Postal Inspection Service is offering a reward of up to $100,000 for any information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible.
Contact info at link.
Posted by: GK || 10/23/2008 19:49 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For phuechs sake! Forget these letters, do SOMETHING about ACORN!
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/23/2008 20:15 Comments || Top||

#2  The letters have all been mailed from Texas and postmarked at Amarillo.... Most of the letters contained some sort of powdery substance.

Ever been to or through Amarillo? Powdery substance is something that is not foreign to the geography.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2008 21:54 Comments || Top||


Who Is John Galt, And Why Is He Donating To Obama?
Original post at Hot Air, found via Ace of Spades. Please note that it would lose someone less special than The One their ability to process credit card payments.
Posted by: Tranquilized Mechanical Yeti || 10/23/2008 14:36 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If true, this is truly shocking and terribly disturbing, but I can't say I'm all that surprised.

To accept that this is simply a clerical oversight on behalf of the Obama campaign would require the willing suspension of disbelief beyond any human capacity.

It's so outrageous that I struggle to believe what these people are actually telling us. One side of my brain is shouting, "they have to be making this up, how can this possibly be?" While the other side of my brain is screaming, "WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO COMPLETELY DESTROY THE FABRIC OF OUR SACRED AND CHERISHED DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM IN AN EFFORT TO GAIN POWER?"
Posted by: eltoroverde || 10/23/2008 23:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Because he saw the Lyndon LaRouche supporters do it in Illinois to screw little old lady's credit cards and fund their election putsch attempt?
Posted by: 3dc || 10/23/2008 23:16 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
Advisers meet Khaleda on eve of electoral talks
The caretaker government starts the second round of talks with political parties today, aiming to ensure an atmosphere conducive to holding a free, fair and credible national election.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


EC accepts AL charter as it omits 2 fronts
The Election Commission (EC) yesterday accepted Awami League's (AL) revised constitution and decided to register the party as it omitted the names of Bangladesh Chhatra League and Jatiya Sramik League from the list of associated organisations in its charter.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Caribbean-Latin America
Venezuela struggles to keep lights on
Despite having some of the world's largest energy reserves, Venezuela is increasingly struggling to maintain basic electrical service, a growing challenge for leftist President Hugo Chavez.

The OPEC nation has suffered three nationwide blackouts this year, and chronic power shortages have sparked protests from the western Andean highlands to San Felix, a city of mostly poor industrial workers in the sweltering south.

Shoddy electrical service is now one of Venezuelans' top concerns, according to a recent poll, and may be a factor in elections next month for governors and mayors in which Chavez allies are expected to lose key posts, in part on complaints of poor services.

The problem suggests that Chavez, with his ambitious international alliances and promises to end capitalism, risks alienating supporters by failing to focus on basic issues like electricity, trash collection and law enforcement.

"With so much energy in Venezuela, how can we be without power?" asked Fernando Aponte, 49, whose slum neighborhood of Las Delicias in San Felix spent 15 days without electricity -- leading him to block a nearby avenue with burning tires in protest.

Just next door, Carmen Fernandez, 82, who is blind and has a pacemaker, says she has trouble sleeping through sultry nights without even a fan to cool her.

Experts say Venezuela for years has skimped billions of dollars in electrical investments, leaving generation 20 percent below the level necessary for a stable power grid and increasing the risk of national outages. Officially Venezuela has a capacity of 22,500 megawatts for a population of 28 million people, but a sizeable proportion is not working, analysts say.

And while Chavez has won praise for investing in health and education, his government has done little to repair local distribution systems that deliver electricity to end users, from barrio residents to business and industries.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 12:49 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And while Chavez has won praise for investing in health and education . .

Only from moonbats. Illiteracy has increased during Chavez's terms in office and there are no statistics showing healthcare has improved.
Posted by: DoDo || 10/23/2008 15:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Somehow it seems that no matter who tries this full socialist stuff the results are always the same...
Posted by: Abu do you love || 10/23/2008 16:53 Comments || Top||

#3  A preview of America's future under Obama.
Posted by: Blinky Chique9602 || 10/23/2008 17:55 Comments || Top||

#4  See also WORLD MILITARY FORUM/WORLD FORUM [China] > seems a number of CHINA Netters were UN-IMPRESSED OR SURPRISED that current GOOGLE-NET MAPS of perceived "developed/modern" Chin coastal regions were only SLIGHTLY/BARELY BETTER OFF THAN WELL_KNOWN PERENNIALLY "DARK MAPS" OF NORTH KOREA OR CUBA, i.e. TOO MANY DARK = UN-LIGHTED AREAS???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/23/2008 20:50 Comments || Top||

#5  ya wanna get Hoogo's attention? Don't block roads with burning tires. Use them on his henchmen and thugs
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2008 21:53 Comments || Top||

#6  Struggling to keep lights on? More of a challenge to safely go to or from the airport without getting hijacked, robbed or killed.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2008 22:12 Comments || Top||

#7  Could you grab that cable for me please....


BZZZZZZZT!!!


Just kidding!
Posted by: newc || 10/23/2008 22:22 Comments || Top||


At least Mussolini made the trains run on time

SAN FELIX, Venezuela (Reuters) -- Despite having some of the world's largest energy reserves, Venezuela is increasingly struggling to maintain basic electrical service, a growing challenge for leftist President Hugo Chavez.

The OPEC nation has suffered three nationwide blackouts this year, and chronic power shortages have sparked protests from the western Andean highlands to San Felix, a city of mostly poor industrial workers in the sweltering south. Shoddy electrical service is now one of Venezuelans' top concerns, according to a recent poll, and may be a factor in elections next month for governors and mayors in which Chavez allies are expected to lose key posts, in part on complaints of poor services.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 10:21 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What a wonderful live it must be in a leftist paradise.
Posted by: gromky || 10/23/2008 11:05 Comments || Top||

#2  This kind of crap just annoys me all to hell.

Why in the name of God is the US embargo for Cuba's sh**** electrical development? There are dozens of countries that trade with Cuba or could. What? Russia so hard up that they can't deal with electricity?

OR is it that Cuba can't PAY for anything?
Posted by: AlanC || 10/23/2008 11:17 Comments || Top||

#3  OR is it that Cuba can't PAY for anything?

bingo! give that man a cupie doll
Posted by: Abu do you love || 10/23/2008 16:57 Comments || Top||


Brazil's stock market suspended
Brazil's stock market, the biggest in Latin America, has been automatically suspended after the main index plunged more than 10 percent.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russia, OPEC aim to stabilise oil prices
Russia will cooperate with OPEC in maintaining stable oil prices in the global market, said Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev on Wednesday.
$7.50 a barrel would be pretty stable...
He told OPEC Secretary-General Abdalla Salem el-Badri, during their meeting here on Wednesday that interaction with the oil cartel was a "key area of Russia's energy policy aimed at maintaining stable and predictable prices." The OPEC head is on a two-day visit to Moscow to coordinate policy with Russia before an emergency session of oil-exporting countries in Vienna on Friday to discuss measures to halt plummeting prices. Mr. El-Badri said he did not ask Russia to cut oil exports, but welcomed Moscow's plan to set up oil reserves to influence global prices. The ideal oil production reserve was aired by Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin at an international energy forum in Moscow on Wednesday. The price of Russian Urals crude fell below $70 per barrel on Wednesday for a second time this month, raising fears that the 2009 budget would be pushed in the red.

The Russia-OPEC talks came a day after Russia, Iran and Qatar, which account for over 60 per cent of global national gas reserves, at a meeting in Tehran, agreed to form a "big gas troika." Iranian Oil Minister Gholamhossein Nozari said the three nations reached "a consensus to set up a gas OPEC."

Russia's gas monopoly Gazprom chief, Alexei Miller, said the new body would undertake joint projects in "exploration, refining and selling gas." The three nations also decided to transform the Gas Exporting Countries Forum, a discussion club that also includes Venezuela, Nigeria, Algeria, Egypt, Indonesia and Libya "into a permanent organisation as quickly as possible to serve the goals of stable and reliable energy supplies in the world," said Mr. Miller.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  < CG -- you're giving yourself away -- the above comment by me, is the first I've ever made to you... so don't be telling me, "I'm a bit tired of you....."

It might have been Barb, but you sound the same.
Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 0:09 Comments || Top||

#2  GC - 3 days of the condor here...
I want all the oil...
Now!
where Redford was anti - I lean very pro
Posted by: 3dc || 10/23/2008 0:22 Comments || Top||

#3  GC -- a little of an American lesson here -- I took all your comments, not including those with name calling, but the ones with your discussion points and ran them through a readability formula.

There are several of those, some we use for kids' reading levels, and some we use for adults' writings.

I used the most accurately accepted one for adults' writing.

Here your scores:

Grade level: 6.1 (that's sixth grade. Newspapers are written to a fifth grade level, so you are at least as good as our esteemed journalists.)

Passive voice: 4% (that's actually quiet good, but this forum lends itself to active voice writing)

Sentence complexity: 18 (100 = very complex)

Vocabulary complexity: 11 (100 = very complex)

But, of course, you were writing for your audience? Well, maybe not. Most of this audience is capable of at least 12th grade readability.

You might want to up your writing standards when stating your arguments, backed up with facts, of course. That helps in getting along with the folks here.

Oh, and did you hit Fred's tip jar yet?

Posted by: Sherry || 10/23/2008 0:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Sherry, you are wrong with your typical engineering approach, this means nothing.

And by the way I can tell that you are an amateur because you writing is sloppy.
Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 0:47 Comments || Top||

#5  One thing you are right about, I am writing for your level.

And those programms - just for the heck of it, take any Supreme Court opinion and run thru it, see what you get.

Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 0:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Sherry, have not seen any of your posts . . . . Hmmm.
Lack of opinion or lack of writing ability?
Or too busy programming away at some cubicle the writing analysis programmes for kiddies?
Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 0:56 Comments || Top||

#7  And if you are in the mood of removing my posts why don't you remove yours as well so that we are even?
Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 0:57 Comments || Top||

#8  will someone just poop list the general comment asshat?

how many threads does he have to hijack/ruin before he is an official menace instead of just the obvious nuisance he is now?

just askin
Posted by: Abu do you love || 10/23/2008 2:09 Comments || Top||

#9  Nice going, Sherry, not only did you get him to decompensate, you cleaned up afterwards!  :-)
Posted by: Steve White || 10/23/2008 8:12 Comments || Top||

#10  I wonder how much Putin is paying GC to sing Russia's praises here...

Either way, sounds like the only real money maker for Russia just went away and all their projects are no longer funded.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/23/2008 8:56 Comments || Top||

#11  Sinktrap! What a lovely day this is! Only his banishment could make it finer.
Posted by: Darrell || 10/23/2008 9:12 Comments || Top||

#12  Is there some annoying cyber-marketing company you can call that puts out a bunch of General_Comment type guys to harass people? If there is it would surely be in Russia.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 9:37 Comments || Top||

#13  As far as the oil article goes, I would think that even a lower stable price would be better than the wildly fluctuating b.s. we've seen lately. If you could count on $60 bbl. oil all year you could at least tailor your spending. Russia is facing budgetary insolvency over this last bear down.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 9:40 Comments || Top||

#14  Sherry, you certainly hit a few nerves there. LOL!
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/23/2008 9:57 Comments || Top||

#15  Thanks all about our friend General Comment -- obviously, he was beginning to annoy me!

Dr. Steve, I had to look up this word:
de·com·pen·sa·tion (dkm-pn-sshn)
n.
1. Medicine Failure of the heart to maintain adequate blood circulation, marked by labored breathing, engorged blood vessels, and edema.
2. Psychology The inability to maintain defense mechanisms in response to stress, resulting in personality disturbance or psychological imbalance

I think that was a compliment!!! Thanks
Posted by: Sherry || 10/23/2008 10:17 Comments || Top||

#16  I see there is a fan (hate) club forming.
At least I am glad that you are using a dictionary. My work bore some fruit.
Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 10:45 Comments || Top||

#17  Me don't need dictionary 'cuz I R smart!
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/23/2008 11:00 Comments || Top||

#18  GC -- at the top of the page, here at Fred's home, he has the words Civil, Well-Reason Discourse.

Again, you have stepped over the boundaries. Now, go take a trip to Fred's tip jar --
Posted by: Sherry || 10/23/2008 11:08 Comments || Top||

#19  Decompensation is the current word in the therapy field for a nervous breakdown, Sherry.

General_Comment, Sherry has been an education consultant of some sort at the national level. I'm not certain what she does now, but I'm quite certain she does it with panache. While that implies a non-engineering PhD, she has ever been too modest to state her credentials. She is also a moderator here.

You misjudge your audience, my dear. While there are indeed many engineers and IT types, there are also a great many PhDs and professors, lawyers and intelligence analysts and military types active in the field or retired. Even a few newspaper editors; not all journalists live in the Liberal-Progressive fringe, after all. Quite a few can tick off several boxes, which makes for interesting conversations. There are also many men and women who choose to work with their hands, adding dimensions to the discussion which sites with narrower appeal sadly miss. It is a slap in the face of elitists everywhere that the conversation need not be simplified for them. And then there are little suburban housewives like me, sheltered child of the ivory tower and corporate spouse that I am.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2008 11:13 Comments || Top||

#20  Whatever credentials you've cited I have.
Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 11:24 Comments || Top||

#21  Civil, Well-Reason Discourse.

Yes, but for some mysterious reason it does not apply to those posters who choose to disagree with my point of view. They quickly degrade into shouting obscenities. And you protect them, because they shout your side of the story. Civil, Well-Reasoned Discourse. We are very proud of it. Aha.
Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 11:30 Comments || Top||

#22  With respect to a possible donation: I could make it if it could be made anonymously and would buy me a freedom of speech.
Posted by: General_Comment || 10/23/2008 11:34 Comments || Top||

#23  I'm not arguing your credentials, General_Comment. I rather imagine you have a JD in international law, an international background by virtue of your birth and employment, and clearly a great deal more knowledge than I about military equipment. It's not clear to me whether you served in the military or are an enthusiast, but then I'm not qualified to recognize the difference. It is simply that your starting assumption appears to be that your readers are a bit simple as well as uncomplicated. Granted, Frank G's comments can sometimes lead one to the wrong conclusion, but then he will insist on wearing those Hawaiian shirts and work boots when others might wear their most conservative suit and tie. Possibly it's a California thing.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2008 11:36 Comments || Top||

#24  ...would buy me a freedom of speech.

This is a private board and anything we do is by the granting of the moderators and site owner. You want to buy free speech, buy your own site.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/23/2008 11:43 Comments || Top||

#25  GC -- The Amazon tip jar is done anonymously. 'Course, I'm assuming you do have an account with them.

It's over on the right hand side -- keep scrolling, you will find it.

Now, go do the right thing.
Posted by: Sherry || 10/23/2008 11:47 Comments || Top||

#26  . Civil, Well-Reasoned Discourse. We are very proud of it. Aha.

Yah, it's the words right next to the icon where Abraham Lincoln is beating someone up.
Posted by: Tranquil Mechanical Yeti || 10/23/2008 11:56 Comments || Top||

#27  Ah yes, the Lincoln-Douglas matchups. They don't make political debates like they used to.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2008 12:14 Comments || Top||

#28  Whatever credentials you've cited I have.
Hey u shud come over and hellp me and Muck4Doo work on the LOlcatbible. We're startin in on the begats shortly, which should be stimulating.
Posted by: .5MT || 10/23/2008 12:41 Comments || Top||

#29  Is muck4doo really working on that, .5MT, or are you just teasing?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2008 14:17 Comments || Top||

#30  I long for a Joe Mendiola vs. Muck4doo comment cage match. There is not a translator in the world that could handle it.
Posted by: remoteman || 10/23/2008 16:41 Comments || Top||

#31  And General Comment, why are you such a Russian suck-up? You seem to reflexively take their side regardless of the issue. Please to explain.
Posted by: remoteman || 10/23/2008 16:43 Comments || Top||

#32  He's a Russian naitve, makes perfect sense and not really a big deal. I notice a vague similarity to a poster from the Zionist Entity, a certain longing for things past, a nostaligia that croaked.
Posted by: .5MT || 10/23/2008 17:59 Comments || Top||

#33  Ima mean there's a certain loss and guilt involved in abandoning a birth country, especially one that wasted it's hard won capital on an emigrant.
Posted by: .5MT || 10/23/2008 18:06 Comments || Top||

#34  GC - your tiresome comments haven't changed any views here, I only hope your puppet masters don't find out they wasted their money on an inarticulate tool, or is
"And by the way I can tell that you are an amateur because you writing is sloppy."
standard fare now in Moscow Propaganda 101? Given the degradation of the Soviet empire, I don't have a preferred guess....
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2008 22:07 Comments || Top||

#35  GC---the new AK
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2008 22:14 Comments || Top||

#36  AP - if you look on the access traces... AK reads the burg near every day.
Posted by: 3dc || 10/23/2008 22:45 Comments || Top||

#37  3dc - that's really sad.

Apparently he likes us - a lot. Too bad he burned so many bridges.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/23/2008 23:22 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
North Korea says reports on Kim's health are false

And if ya can't trust KCNA, who can you trust?
SEOUL (Reuters) – North Korea's state media said on Thursday that recent news reports about its leader Kim Jong-il's health were false, in their first direct comment on the reclusive ruler's suspected illness. U.S. and South Korean officials said last month Kim may have suffered a stroke in August, raising questions about leadership in Asia's only communist dynasty and who was making decisions about its nuclear arsenal.

"The army and people of the DPRK (North Korea) hold the prestige of their top leader dearer than their lives and will never tolerate any act of defaming it," the North's official KCNA news agency.
Wonder if we'll be reading a phrase like that in the Times in the not too distant future?
KCNA called the Japanese newspaper report "a whopping lie."
...by human scum, no doubt.
"What merits serious attention is that the two newspapers had temerity to let loose sheer sophism intended to hurt the dignity of the DPRK while talking about the 'abnormal health condition' of the top leader of the DPRK," KCNA said, calling the publications "reptile papers."
Human scum publish reptile papers. Film at eleven...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 15:21 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder if they have already cloned Kimmy boy? Wow here is the preview how our illuminati media will behave in 6 months if Obama get elected. They will viciously attack any doubters...Conservative will probably get jailed or fined for not agreeing with the new movement.
Posted by: Angusotch Lumplump9517 || 10/23/2008 16:16 Comments || Top||

#2  North Korea says reports on Kim's health are false.

That settles it then - he's dead. Or at least, that's what MY DPRK/US translator says.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/23/2008 18:58 Comments || Top||


North Korea orders ration cut to help feed army
Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- North Korea cut rations for farmers in order to stock up on supplies for its military, a South Korean aid group said.

``Central party officials, after receiving this year's harvest reports from the Agricultural Ministry, were told that the lower-than-expected amount of harvest would not allow them to meet the quota for military stockpiles,'' Buddhist aid group Good Friends, which obtains information through contacts within North Korea, said in its newsletter today.

All regions were told to set aside only three to five months of rations for the farming community, instead of the whole year, and divert the rest to the military, it said. The agency was among the first aid groups to disclose earlier this year that food shortages in the communist country were worsening.

North Korea, a country of 23 million people, has been plagued by years of famine caused by floods, drought and economic mismanagement. The South Korean government said in August it is considering a United Nations request to help raise $60 million to buy food and other essential supplies for its neighbor.

The UN Food and Agriculture Organization forecast North Korea's grain harvest this year would reach 3.5 million tons. The South Korean embassy in Beijing estimates that North Korea has harvested about 4.4 million tons, leaving a shortfall of about 990,000 tons.

North Korea faces a ``potential humanitarian crisis,'' the UN said in April. Aid groups, including Good Friends, have since reported deaths from starvation.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 12:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This should be example number one when discussing the concept of money as a fungible resource.

The Norks will always pay for the things they want the most with there own money and then beg for the rest.

In effect what any donation to them from the UN or anywhere else does is to fund the Nork military.

"......then let them die and decrease the surplus population....."
Posted by: AlanC || 10/23/2008 12:59 Comments || Top||

#2  So the farmers will starve, and suckers like us and the SKors will rush in with food aid to feed them, so that the army can eat.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/23/2008 13:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Exactly! Give that man a cigar!

Same as in any other dictatorship. This is one of the reasons Africa is such a hellhole.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/23/2008 14:07 Comments || Top||

#4  yeah makes since, let the ones growing your food starve. civilians get ready for some more tree bark stew
Posted by: chris || 10/23/2008 16:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Its like we are looking into a crystal ball for our country if we fall asleep at the wheel. Its not hard to imagine the liberal illuminati party forcing us to ration things like energy, food, or our pocket change due to rising prices, no domestic energy, and the removal of small businesses from the country.
Posted by: Zorba Glolusing8532 || 10/23/2008 16:34 Comments || Top||

#6  That is exactly what Gore is trying to do. Get everyone else to 'cut back' on their lifestyle so he and his elitist friends can enjoy their private-jet-set lifestyle.

As well as meet in exotic locations which doesn't have enough space to park all the private jets.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/23/2008 16:46 Comments || Top||


Europe
Turkey: Clashes break out at protester's funeral
(AKI) - Fierce clashes broke out in Turkey on Wednesday at the funeral of a protester killed during a rally organised by the pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party (DTP) in eastern Agri province, Dogan News Agency reported. Ahmet Ozkan, 26, was killed on Monday during a rally organised by the DTP after clashes erupted between police and protesters in Dogubeyazit.

Tensions have been high in the region since the DTP claimed that Abdullah Ocalan, the imprisoned leader of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), had been mistreated in Imrali prison where he is serving a life sentence. The claim sparked mass demonstrations that turned violent in the mainly-Kurdish southeastern region near the Iranian border.

Meanwhile, two suspected Kurdish militants have been killed in a clash with Turkish soldiers in the southeast of the country, according to media reports. Irfan Balkanoglu, the governor of southeastern Bingol province, said the militants died in an incident near the village of Dallitepe on Tuesday.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ahh! The ol' funeral riot routine. That's always a classy move.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 14:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Did Phelps move to Turkey?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 14:50 Comments || Top||


France: President Sarkozy calls for funds to protect EU businesses
(SomaliNet) French President Nicolas Sarkozy has called on the EU member states to set up state funds to protect European companies from the threat of takeovers by major government funds from China, Singapore or the Middle East.

In a speech to the European Parliament in Strasbourg, Mr. Sarkozy pointed out that the share prices of many big companies are now at a historic low as a result of the global financial crisis. He warned that this makes them easy prey for bargain hunters.

As current holder of the rotating EU presidency, the French president will attend a Euro-Asian summit in Beijing to invite China and India to take part in an international financial conference to be held shortly after the US presidential elections.

Brazil, South Africa and Mexico will also receive an invitation to the talks, which have already been backed by US President George W. Bush.

These countries will join the countries of the G8 to reach agreement on far-reaching reforms to the international financial system.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wasn't Sarkozy supposed to be a free-market type?
Posted by: Raj || 10/23/2008 8:09 Comments || Top||

#2  The problem in Europe is the banks. Capital has dried up and they need very heavy, deep and wide re-capitalization. Where will it come from and at what price (interest). Bank to bank loans are necessary and a function of interbank trading but there is nothing like a regulated banking system we have including FDIC for example. Until they come up with a recapitalization plan over and above par value of held assets then they can jaw all they want but get nothing in return.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/23/2008 9:15 Comments || Top||


Turkish court refuses lifting ban on Muslim scarf
Lifting a ban on women wearing the Muslim headscarf at university violates Turkey's secular constitution, the country's top court said on Wednesday, defending a decision against the ruling AK Party.

In a legal reasoning that appeared to end any hope for the Islamist-rooted AK Party to revive the sensitive headscarf issue, the Constitutional Court said that while wearing a headscarf was "an individual choice and a freedom", lifting the ban was "openly against the principles of secularism".

The Constitutional Court, a bastion of Turkey's secular founding principles, overturned in June a constitutional amendment sponsored by the AK Party to lift the restriction, but only issued its long-awaited reasoning on Wednesday.

The AK Party, which denies accusations by secularist opponents of harboring an Islamist agenda, said it would respect the constitution. It had first reacted angrily to the ruling, accusing the court of violating the constitution. "We do not have any intention of undermining the republic's essential principles," Justice Minister Mehmet Ali Sahin said.

The headscarf issue is one of the most highly charged in Turkey, a predominantly Sunni Muslim country with a secular constitution, and has long been a source of political instability in the European Union applicant.

The AK Party, which has its roots in political Islam, sees it as a question of religious freedom, while secularists see it as proof the government wants to impose sharia law by stealth. The party repeatedly denies those charges.

The AK Party, which has a huge majority in parliament, passed the amendment earlier this year, angering a secularist establishment of judges and army generals.

Another attempt to lift the headscarf ban would require a constitutional reform and broad social consensus, an unlikely event in a country deeply polarized over the role of Islam. "The amendments in articles 10 and 42 are openly against the principle of secularism because procedurally they mean using religion as a tool in politics, and breach other people's rights and cause public disorder by content," the court said.

The headscarf reform was seen as a catalyst for a separate case, in which the same court narrowly voted in July not to close the AK Party on charges of Islamist activities. The court is expected to issue the reasoning of that case this week.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  huh. There is hope for them yet. Maybe after women in the western world are forced to don one-eyed niqabs to make sure that they don't offend any of the easily offended, they can still go to Turkey to dress in a more liberal fashion.
Posted by: Betty || 10/23/2008 10:36 Comments || Top||

#2  One might think that the Constitutional Court would have more pressing engagements than dicking around with AK party asshats.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 14:52 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Dodd sez he'll release documents after inquiry ends

Save money on your mortgage! Ask me how!
Sen. Christopher J. Dodd engaged in damage control Wednesday by addressing the mounting criticism of his response to allegations of favorable treatment by a mortgage company.
Ooooh. Damage control. Not a good phrase that early in the story...
After a ceremony celebrating his role in passing major mental health legislation, Dodd told reporters that he was waiting for a bipartisan Senate ethics inquiry to conclude before releasing documents related to his two mortgages.
And it's "bipartisan" and "ethics" is in there, so you know it's all legit and everything...
"That's probably what I should have explained earlier and didn't, and I apologize to you for not laying this out. 'Why wasn't he willing to turn over documents? What's the reason?' The reason is, of course, there's this ongoing inquiry," Dodd said.
...and I wouldn't wanna screw up this ongoing inquiry, would I?
Dodd had responded cryptically recently, saying only that he would fulfill a promise to release the documents at the "appropriate time."
Probably the day after he's dead.
Portfolio magazine reported in June that Dodd had been extended preferential treatment by Countrywide Financial in 2003, when he was a senior Democrat on the Senate banking committee. He is now its chairman.
Ah. Fifth paragraph. But we already knew...
The rates that Dodd received were available on the open market, but Portfolio reported that some fees and costs were waived, a possible violation of Senate rules on gifts. The mortgages totaled nearly $780,000. "These transactions were standard transactions at standard rates," Dodd said Wednesday. "I never sought any special treatment. I never was offered any special treatment."
Some things are just...understood.
Portfolio reported that Dodd was included in a VIP program established by Angelo Mozilo, the chief executive officer of Countrywide, once the nation's largest mortgage lender."I never dealt with Angelo Mozilo, or whatever his name is, or any senior executive at Countrywide at all," Dodd said.
Angelo? Who? Angelo who?
Under its rules, the Senate ethics committee cannot acknowledge that a preliminary inquiry is underway, even though the complaint was filed publicly and Dodd acknowledges its existence.
So what is it? Like the Star Chamber? Are there robes and secret handshakes?
"I welcome that inquiry. I've been fully cooperative with anything they've requested or need from me or my family regarding this matter," Dodd said.
I welcome it, I tells ya!
Only seven of the 95 complaints to the committee in 2007 resulted in a preliminary inquiry, according to the panel's annual report. No sanctions resulted.
Ah, yes, the Senate Protective Society. Just another benny of being a United States Senator...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 14:22 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


It's back! Return of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"!
I've missed it so...
Welcome home ...
MINNEAPOLIS -- Stepping back into the campaign spotlight, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) came to Minnesota tonight to urge the election of comedian-commentator-candidate Al Franken to the Senate."Al Franken was taking on the vast right-wing conspiracy before other people even admitted it existed," she told a crowd of 2,000 supporters on the University of Minnesota campus, urging them to give her rival, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, a filibuster-proof margin in the Senate. "Al Franken, with your help, can be our 60th vote."
Besides you, and your minions, who might those "other people" be?
Clinton, after stumping in Florida yesterday and Omaha earlier today on behalf of Obama, demonstrated she is still one of the prime draws among Democrats, even in a state where she was trounced by Obama in the Feb. 5 caucuses. More than 1,500 supporters crammed into the campus's McNamara Alumni Center, with another 600 in an overflow room and outside, where a massive big-screen television simulcast the rally. Franken aides said the only rally of theirs that compared in size was former vice president Al Gore's appearance earlier this month, which 1,500 people appeared.
I wonder if it snowed?
In late September Clinton -- for the first time this year -- opened up the checkbook of her political action committee, issuing $75,000 to House and Senate candidates, according to reports filed with the Federal Election Commission yesterday. Since resuming fundraising for Hill PAC in July, Clinton has raised more than $1.1 million. Earlier this decade she used Hill PAC as her vehicle for making contributions to key candidates in politically important states, plotting her course toward this year's national campaign.
Her giving money away? Oooooooh, the price they'll pay for that. Should've took the deal with Satan instead, folks. Less risky.
In backing Franken tonight, Clinton gave a full-throated endorsement of someone who earlier this year was facing allegations that a 2000 guest column he penned for Playboy Magazine was demeaning toward women. Franken said the piece -- with a headline of "Porn-O-Rama" -- was meant as satire.
But she's still married to the guy who"did not have sex with that wimmen", so...what the hell.
Clinton has known Franken since the early 1990s and made fun of his comedic past but said it was the first-time candidate's way of telling "truth through jokes. Sure, he's been a comedian, and occasionally he's even been funny," she joked.
Of all the blatant lies I've heard this campaign season, that could be the worst...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 12:19 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, is my check in the mail? I'm not asking for much, but every little bit helps, because of my "habit", you know.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/23/2008 14:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, I guess you gotta work the crowd that shows up. Such as they were.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 14:45 Comments || Top||

#3  I think we all know that Clinton is voting for McCain this year. I would love to get a picture of that vote and cash that in for a cool million dollars, but then I guess I would have worry about being killed in a park at the middle of the night. Lets face it, anyone who wants to keep their own money is evil and anyone who has an ivy-league illuminati socialist outlook is on the side of the God of your choosing. Bah!
Posted by: Jeper Fillmore7181 || 10/23/2008 16:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Believe me, I had pictures than that.
Posted by: Vince Foster || 10/23/2008 16:29 Comments || Top||


Murtha's hold on House seat slips
Two veteran warriors battling to represent the 12th Congressional District appear locked in the closest race in the district in years.

Democratic Rep. John Murtha leads retired Army Lt. Col. William Russell by a little more than 4 percentage points, within the Susquehanna Poll's 4.9-point margin of error. The poll of 400 likely voters was conducted for the Tribune-Review on Tuesday, amid uproar over Murtha's statement that some of his constituents are racist.

Stanley Shemanski, 67, a retired meat cutter who lives in Apollo, said he's undecided about the congressional race. He doesn't know much about Russell, but he's upset with Murtha's comment that racism in the district could hurt Democrat Barack Obama's chances. "I didn't like that at all. He shouldn't have said it," Shemanski said.

Most of all, the national economy concerns him. "I'm retired, but my daughter, she works for the bank, and I'm worried about that."

Yet, poll participant Melissa Stoltz, 38, of Johnstown said she is backing Murtha because she likes his political views. "He has the experience, and he is a former Marine. I was a Marine," said Stoltz, a caseworker. "Murtha's done a good job. I think he's really stuck up for your basic, every-run-of-the-day, normal person."

Murtha, 76, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, apologized for the racism remark, saying he meant to say that skin color is a factor in the battle for the presidency between Obama and Republican John McCain. Trying to add context to his remarks, Murtha later said many in Western Pennsylvania were "rednecks" several years ago.

Russell, 46, a Republican who served in the Iraq war, jumped on the remarks. McCain, in a campaign stop Tuesday in Moon, said he "could not disagree with those critics more," without mentioning Murtha by name.

About 54 percent of voters among those polled say it's time for someone else to represent them in Congress. About 35 percent say Murtha deserves to be re-elected. "The most important variable here is that a decisive majority say it's time for a new person," said Jim Lee, president of Susquehanna Polling and Research. He attributed some of the unhappiness with Murtha to the congressman's recent comments.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 12:57 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So long, screwy!
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/23/2008 13:02 Comments || Top||

#2  This EX-Marine has the type of face you couldn't stop punching...
Posted by: Daffy Phash5086 aka Broadhead6 || 10/23/2008 20:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Still time to contribute to William Russell.

Help him kick this asshole's butt.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/23/2008 21:04 Comments || Top||


Murtha's hold on House seat slips
Hallelujah, folks in Penn's 12 district are coming to their senses.
Posted by: GK || 10/23/2008 11:26 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Russell moved to Johnstown within the past year. He said he decided to run after Murtha's 2006 statement that a Pentagon investigation into the deaths of Iraqi civilians in Haditha would show that Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

Russell repeatedly has criticized Murtha for not apologizing for the remark after seven of the eight Marines charged in the killings were cleared of wrongdoing.

Officials, including a two-star general, conducting the investigation and the Naval Criminal Investigation Service "came up with the same conclusion I did," Murtha said.


Yeah, that's probably why they didn't prosecute.
Congrats, John. You've become one of the guys you probably bitched about at the O Club bar in Danang...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 11:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Just donated to Russell's campaign. Felt good.
Posted by: Iblis || 10/23/2008 12:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't tease me.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2008 13:30 Comments || Top||

#4  I just donated to Russell as well. Past time for that SOB Murtha to go.
Posted by: DMFD || 10/23/2008 17:56 Comments || Top||

#5  I've hit Russell more than once - guess I'll hit him at least one more time before the election.

Fingers crossed....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/23/2008 18:33 Comments || Top||


$140,000 Spent on DNCC Podium and the Barackopolis
With all the hullabaloo surrounding the RNC's expenditures on Sarah Palin's clothes, I thought it would be interesting to find out how much money was spent on Obama's Greek-columned stage at Invesco Field. You remember the Barackopolis--those "styrofoam Greek columns"--don't you?
More
Posted by: tipper || 10/23/2008 05:52 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nothing is too good for The One...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 9:56 Comments || Top||

#2  What they really should have spent the money on, a vomitorium.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2008 10:33 Comments || Top||

#3  I am nausiated and sick of it. The German guards are drunk on wine. Send for Cassius Chaerea at once.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/23/2008 11:26 Comments || Top||

#4  It's actually better that the Obama campaign so spends misbegotten funds, rather than on actively trying to buy the election with that money. I approve.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2008 11:41 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm believe the whole stage (not just columns) could cost that much, it was big, fitting in the stadium and used by many people.

However Sarah spent 150k, that's 42k more money on clothes than her annual salary of 108k!

Who spends 75k in 1 visit? That's what you get when you shop with Cindy "Marcos" McCain. She could have spent 20k total and looked great for weeks. What a waste! Who's the elite?

$75,062 spent at Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis and $41,850 in St. Louis in early September. The committee also reported spending $4,100 for makeup and hair consulting.
Posted by: Neville Cheting6365 || 10/23/2008 12:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Neville sounds jealous.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 12:27 Comments || Top||

#7  But it's not as bad as not knowing how many homes you own and calling $5 million income middle class. Out of touch!
Posted by: Neville Cheting6365 || 10/23/2008 12:29 Comments || Top||

#8  ...and bitter.
Got any guns you can cling to? Maybe a bible?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 12:33 Comments || Top||

#9  Yeah I would be jealous, $150k I could buy a life time supply of whitey tighties and socks, not to mention much more including a Benz.

But you know who's really jealous? Many in debt republican donors who paid for 2 month shopping spree and now want their money back.

If you think it's fine, then you've already decided that McCain/Palin can do anything they want scott-free.
Posted by: Neville Cheting6365 || 10/23/2008 12:35 Comments || Top||

#10  Careful Neville you're in a battle of wits with Tu, relatively speaking you are unarmed.
Posted by: .5MT || 10/23/2008 12:47 Comments || Top||

#11  Everyone is extremely worked up about Sarah Palin's $150,000-per-month quest for the most elite finery in the land. Republican donors, for example, are upset their money is being spent so ostentatiously. (Just wait until they find out how much of the money is going to gay fashion moguls!) Lawyers and accountants are talking tax liability. But how much are "Hollywood" Barack Obama and wife Michelle spending on their radical chic? Well, you can start with a $1,500 suit for Barack, which contains an opulent 3 percent cashmere and comes from "the largest suitmaker in the United States," And as conservative blog Town Hall reveals, via Wonkette, Michelle may have spent tens of dollars more (or less, depending on whether she accessorizes properly):

The colorful Thakoon wrap dresses (here) Mrs. Obama has worn, and was applauded for wearing to her husband's convention speech, are priced around $1250 each. Mrs. Obama's favorite Chicago designer Maria Pinto, who crafted Michelle's convention speech dress (here) [[and pictured above]], charges anywhere from $900-$5,000 for her dresses. Other Pinto pieces, like shirts and accessories, start at $300 each.

Way to undercut American retailers in a recession, Obamas.


Goodnight, Neville...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 12:49 Comments || Top||

#12  Mee-Yow!
Posted by: Querent || 10/23/2008 12:54 Comments || Top||

#13  $5000 dress worn by Mrs Obama, only on convention day, no mention that the campaign paid for it.

For Obama, $1500 x 30 days of new suits, that's still only 45k.

I'm trying to figure out how you get up to $150k without buying diamonds.

Goodnight to you too, Tu, keep dreaming up excuses.
Posted by: Neville Cheting6365 || 10/23/2008 12:58 Comments || Top||

#14  So wouldn't you think buying a $5000 dress just to wear once might be a bit...wasteful? How about a $140,000 stryofoam temple? Whaddya think happened to that? Did they give it to some daycare center for the kids to play on? Or is it clooging up some Colorado landfill?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 13:15 Comments || Top||

#15  $ 700,000,000,000. borrowed by Uncle Sam and congressional elites while their constituents screamed NO, NO, NO, and someone is worried about $ 150,000 wardrobe for a candidate?

Lightoller, forget the watch. Make certain the deck chairs are arranged properly and have the band play "Nearer My God to Thee" one last time will you?
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/23/2008 13:30 Comments || Top||

#16  I'm trying to figure out how you get up to $150k without buying diamonds.






Obviously you've never accompanied your wife to the clothing store ...
Posted by: Steve White || 10/23/2008 13:35 Comments || Top||

#17  Don't let's forget the cost of alterations... Neiman Marcus is a department store. Governor Palin's wardrobe was suitable for running an informal state like Alaska, not for Washington, DC. She probably invested in at least two pairs of stockings for each day of the campaign, and a gown for the inauguration, just for a start, and clothing appropriate for the various climates she might encounter on the campaign trail. As Neville Cheting6365 so helpfully notes, the governor does not have a private income capable of supporting the purchase of, effectively, several work wardrobes all at once, unlike the Obamas or Mrs. McCain. And it certainly would be inappropriate for Mrs. McCain to pay for the Vice Presidential candidate's wardrobe.

Three percent cashmere? Not much for that price point I'd think, although I haven't shopped much in Chicago. Neville Cheting6365 dear, I'm sure the $1500 only includes the suit, not shirt, tie, cufflinks, collar stays, shoes, socks, underwear, or whatever et ceteras a snappy dresser like Barack Obama might feel necessary to be properly dressed. Do remember that the gentleman has been on the campaign trail for going on two years thus far, so likely thirty outfits was only a fraction of his wardrobe expenditure.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2008 14:09 Comments || Top||


Political spending races toward record $5.3 billion
Posted by: tipper || 10/23/2008 05:24 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ridiculous. And no RoE either that is worth anything. An Obama presidency will have negative NPV to begin with and deteriorate after that. We are on the cusp of a national and international disaster. Has anyone else entered the WSJ Opinion Journal contest on which generated crisis Biden was talking about? I picked Taiwan since it is so damn low on the radar.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/23/2008 9:19 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
India Launches Moon Mission in Asian Space Race
Scientists have better maps of distant Mars than the moon where astronauts have walked. But India hopes to change that with its first lunar mission.

Chandrayaan-1 _ which means "Moon Craft" in ancient Sanskrit _ launched from the Sriharikota space center in southern India early Wednesday morning in a two-year mission aimed at laying the groundwork for further Indian space expeditions.

Scientists, clapping and cheering, tracked the ascent on computer screens as they lost sight of the rocket in heavy clouds.

"This is a historic moment for India," Indian Space Research Organization chairman G. Madhavan Nair said.

"We have started our journey to the moon and the first leg has gone perfectly well," he said, adding that they hoped to "unravel the mystery of the moon."

Chief among the mission's goals is mapping not only the surface of the moon, but what lies beneath. India joined what's shaping up as a 21st century space race with Chinese and Japanese crafts already in orbit around the moon.

The United States, which won the 1960s race to send men to the moon, won't jump in this race with its new lunar probe until next spring, but it is providing key mapping equipment for India's mission.

As India's economy has boomed in recent years, it has sought to convert its new found wealth _ built on its high-tech sector _ into political and military clout and stake a claim as a world leader. It is hoping that a moon mission _ coming just months after it finalized a deal with the United States that recognizes India as a nuclear power _ will further enhance that status.

Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So we're going to have a 7-11 on the moon?
At least you'll be able to take a taxi in stead of walking.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 9:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Way to go.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/23/2008 19:59 Comments || Top||


Pakistain: Almost one in 10 children die before fifth birthday, says survey
Sounds like they need more shariah.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  I'd wager that boys and girls have quite different survival rates, though the article didn't say.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 10/23/2008 7:30 Comments || Top||

#2  they should try a guns for vaccines program
Posted by: chris || 10/23/2008 7:45 Comments || Top||

#3  How about a 'Guns for psychiatric meds' program?
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 9:43 Comments || Top||

#4  only 47 percent of children receive childhood immunisations by the age of 24 months

Of course, since vaccines are an attempt to thwart Allan's will, immunisations are haram.

/If God had wanted your kid to be healthy, he wouldn't have given him polio.
Posted by: Frozen Al || 10/23/2008 11:21 Comments || Top||

#5  If God had wanted your kid to be healthy, he wouldn't have given him polio.

You know, that actually makes a lot of sense. Let's stop vaccination programs in pakistain, it displeases allan, the natives are restless, and let's use the money for useful purposes, like doing all of those IGnobel experiments stuff.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/23/2008 14:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Sanctions! That'll raise that rate exponentially.
Posted by: Last Breath Farm Resident || 10/23/2008 18:13 Comments || Top||

#7  here's a handy reference

I'd wager that boys and girls have quite different survival rates, though the article didn't say.
Sex Ratio (Male : Female) 108.5 : 100
Posted by: tipper || 10/23/2008 22:32 Comments || Top||


Zardari calls for innovative solutions for energy shortage
(APP): President Asif Ali Zardari on Wednesday stressed the need for innovative and out of box solutions to increase oil and gas production in the country for meeting the growing energy needs. During a briefing in the Presidency on the petroleum issues he called for stepping up oil and gas exploration.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  "We will harness the goats of glorious Pakiland!"
Posted by: A_Rovian_Desciple || 10/23/2008 22:19 Comments || Top||


Pak urges IMF aid amid financial crisis
Pakistan has asked for financial assistance from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) after the US refused a bailout plan for the country.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


International-UN-NGOs
UN Ministry of the Obvious: Financial crisis could threaten moves to wipe out poverty
Or may it mean poverty could wipe out us.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mon Dieu! Non, non, not a three star restaurant! Oh, the humanity of it all!
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2008 7:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Gentlemen! We've got to protect our phony baloney jobs! Harrrrumph harrrumph harrrumph harrumph...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 10:00 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Thaksin Guilty of Abusing Power
Thailand's Supreme Court on Tuesday found former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra guilty in absentia of abuse of office and sentenced him to two years in prison.

Thaksin fled to Britain in August and has said he will not return to answer charges that he calls politically motivated. "I have been informed of the result," he told the Reuters news agency Tuesday. "I had long anticipated that it would turn out this way."

Prosecutors said they would ask Britain to extradite him.

Thaksin's wife, Pojaman, who shares his exile and was accused along with him in the case, was acquitted.

The verdict relates to a case that began in 2003, shortly after Thaksin became prime minister. Pojaman bought a prime plot of land in central Bangkok from the central bank's Financial Institutions Development Fund for 772 million baht, now about $23 million, outbidding two real estate developers in a process that political observers generally say was clean.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front Economy
Democrats' Assault to Redistribue Your Wealth Begins
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation's $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.
Don't we already have one of those?
A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller's Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.

At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months.
Thanks, Barney and Chris ...
Under Ghilarducci's plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation.
Just like the current SS system, all the money goes into the bonds the government has to issue to cover deficit spending. Which means the government would have more money available to spend. Sounds like the Democrats alright ...
The current system of providing tax breaks on 401(k) contributions and earnings would be eliminated. "I want to stop the federal subsidy of 401(k)s," Ghilarducci said in an interview. "401(k)s can continue to exist, but they won't have the benefit of the subsidy of the tax break."
And I want Ghilarducci run out of town on a rail ...
Under the current 401(k) system, investors are charged relatively high retail fees, Ghilarducci said. "I want to spend our nation's dollar for retirement security better. Everybody would now be covered" if the plan were adopted, Ghilarducci said.
Who the hell cares what she wants? She's one citizen. I like the 401K plans precisely because government can't get its hands on them.
She has been in contact with Miller and McDermott about her plan, and they are interested in pursuing it, she said. "This [plan] certainly is intriguing," said Mike DeCesare, press secretary for McDermott. "That is part of the discussion," he said.

While Miller stopped short of calling for Ghilarducci's plan at the hearing last week, he was clearly against continuing tax breaks as they currently exist. "The savings rate isn't going up for the investment of $80 billion," he said. "We have to start to think about ... whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that's not generating what we now say it should."
Of course it's generating what it should. It's making people less dependent on government for their retirement. Once you understand that, you understand why the Democrats want to get rid of it.
"From where I sit that's just crazy," said John Belluardo, president of Stewardship Financial Services Inc. in Tarrytown, New York. "A lot of people contribute to their 401(k)s because of the match of the employer," he said. Belluardo's firm does not manage assets directly.

Higher-income employers provide matching funds to employee plans so that they can qualify for tax benefits for their own defined-contribution plans, he said. "If the tax deferral goes away, the employers have no reason to do the matches, which primarily help people in the lower income brackets," Belluardo said.

"This is a battle between liberalism and conservatism," said Christopher Van Slyke, a partner in the La Jolla, California, advisory firm Trovena, which manages $400 million. "People are afraid because their accounts are seeing some volatility, so Democrats will seize on the opportunity to attack a program where investors control their own destiny," he said.

The Profit Sharing/401(k) Council of America in Chicago, which represents employers that sponsor defined-contribution plans, is "staunchly committed to keeping the employee benefit system in America voluntary," said Ed Ferrigno, vice president in the Washington office. "Some of the tenor [of the hearing last week] that the entire system should be based on the activities of the markets in the last 90 days is not the way to judge the system," he said.

No legislative proposals have been introduced and Congress is out of session until next year. However, most political observers believe that Democrats are poised to gain seats in both the House and the Senate, so comments made by the mostly Democratic members who attended the hearing could be a harbinger of things to come.
"I see the train a-coming, it's comin' down the track ..."
In addition to tax breaks for 401(k)s, the issue of allowing investment advisors to provide advice for 401(k) plans was also addressed at the hearing. Rep. Robert Andrews, D-New Jersey, was critical of Department of Labor proposals made in August that would allow advisors to give individual advice if the advice was generated using a computer model. Andrews characterized the proposals as "loopholes" and said that investment advice should not be given by advisors who have a direct interest in the sale of financial products.

The Pension Protection Act of 2006 contains provisions making it easier for investment advisors to give individualized counseling to 401(k) holders. "In retrospect that doesn't seem like such a good idea to me," Andrews said. "This is an issue I think we have to revisit. I frankly think that the compromise we struck in 2006 is not terribly workable or wise," he said.

On Thursday, October 9, the Department of Labor hastily scheduled a public hearing on the issue in Washington for Tuesday, October 21. The agency does not frequently hold public hearings on its proposals.
Posted by: Beavis || 10/23/2008 12:52 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wait till they follow Argentina's lead and just nationalize the private pension funds [got to cover all those union plans with the Big Three in Detroit folding].
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2008 13:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Many years ago when the IRA was first introduced I asked my then aging, depression era father what he thought of starting one. His reply was simply, "saving money is a good idea, but once in, mind the government's rules changing."
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/23/2008 13:35 Comments || Top||

#3  I made a hard rule many years ago.

"If the Government is pushing something, stay well away from whatever it is."
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/23/2008 13:50 Comments || Top||

#4  I guess looting Social Security isn't enough anymore.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/23/2008 14:11 Comments || Top||

#5  Sounds like this is to replace that looting.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 14:55 Comments || Top||

#6  So instead of "privatizing Social Security" they want to "nationalize your 401K"?
Also so nice to see Baghdad Jimmmy has his fingerprints all over this one.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 15:01 Comments || Top||

#7  "Nationalize" the 401K system? Sounds like they want to turn it into a "National Pension Fund" similar to the 'remarkably well run' union pension funds that are so deep into debt now. The Public Employee Pension Funds, when they run low on cash, simply trigger a tax hike by the respective city or state. See that coming here, too.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 10/23/2008 15:11 Comments || Top||

#8  All those baby boomers that are counting on their 401k are gonna get screwed.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/23/2008 15:38 Comments || Top||

#9  Best of the Web noticed...

Ghilarducci outlined her plan last year in a paper for the left-liberal Economic Policy Institute, in which she acknowledges that her plan would amount to a tax increase on workers making more than $75,000--considerably less than the $250,000 Barack Obama has said would be his tax-hike cutoff. In addition, workers would be able to pass on only half of their account balances to their heirs; presumably the government would seize the remaining half. (Under current law, 401(k) balances are fully heritable, although they are subject to the income tax.)

Sounds pretty unappealing, doesn't it? But in her congressional testimony, Ghilarducci offered a sweetener:

"Short-term I propose . . . that the Congress allow workers to swap out their 401(k) assets, perhaps at August levels, for a guaranteed retirement account--just a one-time swap. . . .
How would this work? You go back to your districts and meet up with a 55-year-old who had had $50,000 in his account last month and now has $40,000 in the account. He can swap out that $50,000, valued in August, for that guarantee of what would become, if he retires at 62, a $500 a month addition to Social Security."

A 55-year-old who lost 20% of his 401(k) because of the recent stock market decline was investing more aggressively than he should have, given his age. Ghilarducci proposes to reward this imprudence in exchange for dramatically limiting everyone's ability to take risks (and enjoy the corresponding rewards) and for greatly increasing government control of Americans' retirement funds.

It is by no means a certainty that Congress or a President Obama would embrace such a proposal, but this is a direction in which things may move if the Democrats make big gains next month.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 16:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Under the current 401(k) system, investors are charged relatively high retail fees, Ghilarducci said.

Abslout fucking bullshit lie. Fidelity doesn't charge me jack shit as long as the account balance is over $10,000. These fucking parasites make my blood boil...
Posted by: Raj || 10/23/2008 19:25 Comments || Top||

#11  Get the guns!
Posted by: Hellfish || 10/23/2008 20:01 Comments || Top||

#12  Wait till they follow Argentina's lead and just nationalize the private pension funds [got to cover all those union plans with the Big Three in Detroit folding].

Actually they should start by nationalizing all of the public employee pension funds and putting the lot of them on Social Security. If they did that we'd see action on shoring up the system.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2008 20:07 Comments || Top||

#13  Vanguard has never charged me a DIME! These communist bastards will not rest until they have their hands on our 401K's and IRA's.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/23/2008 20:09 Comments || Top||

#14  Time to penalize the people who were foolish enough to save for their retirement.
Posted by: DMFD || 10/23/2008 20:17 Comments || Top||

#15  What Hellfish said -- I believe this is the red line PTAH was alluding to a couple weeks back. This would push me to being hung for instigating an insurrection.
Posted by: Daffy Phash5086 aka Broadhead6 || 10/23/2008 20:49 Comments || Top||

#16  Post this article at work. Maybe it will swing a few people over to the Republican side.
Posted by: Darrell || 10/23/2008 20:54 Comments || Top||

#17  Isn't this essentially what Bush wanted to do and they moaned like it was the end of the world?
Posted by: Cheremp the Slender2106 || 10/23/2008 21:14 Comments || Top||

#18  I think you have that backwards, Cheremp the Slender2106.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2008 21:25 Comments || Top||

#19  With all of their special plans, we will beankrupt within a week, maybe two. But then the US bond rating drops and all of those govmint checks stop coming. The banks wont lend because the shotgun is pointed at their investors. This reign of holy inequity will bankrupt us. It is far from Just. Pelosi et-al just get on planes and go visit their local tax havens to escape the madness. They have nothing to lose - just get on a plane as Joe scrapps for food on the edges of every cornfield.

This is the most reckless takeover I have ever seen. It is unwise and ill thought at best. It is ruinous in the decades.

Take heed and get rid of it please. We have other problems right now and cannot hold collapsing structures up with bankrupt collegiate ideology.

You had your fun, but there is business to attend to and you are in no way close to "fixing" anything right now.
Posted by: newc || 10/23/2008 22:12 Comments || Top||


New York Times posts loss, eyes debt reduction

The New York Times Co posted a quarterly loss from continuing operations on Thursday, hurt by charges for job cuts and said it is looking for ways to reduce its debt.

The company, which reported a 16 percent drop in advertising revenue at its news media group, also said it might write down as much as $150 million at its New England operations, underscoring the dismal state of newspaper advertising. "We plan to continue to explore opportunities to reduce our debt levels," said Chief Executive Janet Robinson in a statement.

Benchmark Co analyst Edward Atorino interpreted her remarks as a sign that the Times would consider selling properties.
Benchmark Co analyst Edward Atorino interpreted her remarks as a sign that the Times would consider selling properties. "The word 'opportunities' you could put in quote marks," he said. "There's been this longstanding Wall Street comment that, 'Why don't you do something with your building? Sell it, hock it'... I'm not sure they can sell The Boston Globe anymore."
Why would anyone want to pay a premium for a dead-tree newspaper?
Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis declined to comment on what the company could sell, saying the company always evaluates its assets to make sure they meet their targets and remain are a good fit. The Times said it expects to manage its debt obligations.

Some analysts have been waiting to see what the Times would say about its debt levels after publishers such as McClatchy Co and Gannett Co Inc were put on watch or downgraded by credit rating agencies. Some U.S. newspaper publishers have cut dividends to free up cash to pay off debt.

The Times wants to cut more expenses, and its board plans to review its dividend policy before the end of the year. The company, which owns the namesake newspaper as well as The Boston Globe and other U.S. papers, said it has "little visibility" on how ad revenue will be in the fourth quarter, but said October's declines are similar to those in September.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 12:54 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...and said it is looking for ways to reduce its debt.

Going out of business usually addresses the debt issue.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2008 13:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Yes, hi, I saw your resume on Monster.com? A Nobel prize in Economics? Veeeeery impressive, Mr. Krugman...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 13:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't worry, the government subsidy form the Obama administration will save the NYT.
Posted by: DMFD || 10/23/2008 17:57 Comments || Top||


US stocks, oil prices continue free fall
Concerns about a growing recession and skidding oil prices overshadow markets, with the Dow industrials plunging 5.17% in the late sell off. On Wednesday, Panic selling gripped the market after crude oil prices dropped more than five dollars a barrel in New York and London.
I'm hoping to see crude bottom out somewhere between $7 and $9 a barrel, but that's probably too much to ask.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 457.26 points to 8,576.40 around 1920 GMT and the tech-heavy Nasdaq composite slid 81.70 points to 1,314.98. The broad Standard & Poor's 500 index tumbled 55.06 points (5.77 percent) to 899.99.

Crude oil prices careened lower Wednesday on news of surging US energy reserves that highlighted falling demand in a cooling global economy.
I'm still not driving a foot more than I have to. For one thing, who knows whether we'll have pay checks next month?
A sharp rise in the dollar also put pressure on the dollar-priced commodity, making it more expensive for buyers who used relatively weaker currencies. Brent crude oil plunged five percent, to a 16-month low below 65 dollars a barrel.
That works out to gas at $2.12 a gallon ($65 a barrel / 40 gallons= $1.62 a gallon of crude, plus 50 cents a gallon processing and transportation). I saw $2.64 at the pump today, so we're still being overcharged about 50 cents a gallon as the overpriced stock is being used up. I notice we pay immediately when the price goes up, and keep paying for a long time after it goes down, which is why if I could I'd burn my car.
It'll take about $3.25 to do that at today's prices ...
In London, Brent North Sea crude for December delivery fell to 64.59 dollars, its lowest level since May 9, 2007. New York's main contract, light sweet crude for December, slid to 66.73 dollars a barrel, a low last seen on June 14, 2007.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That works out to gas at $2.12 a gallon ($65 a barrel / 40 gallons= $1.62 a gallon of crude, plus 50 cents a gallon processing and transportation). I saw $2.64 at the pump today, so we're still being overcharged about 50 cents a gallon as the overpriced stock is being used up.

A lot of refiners and wholesale crude purchasers entered into requirements contracts on the rising side of the bubble. I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to the length of the impact or the portion of the total market but around here a number of producers locked in multi-year deals in the high 90s to low 100s on the way up. A couple of wholesale buyers here have already gone under as a result. Expect to see at least minor disconnects in the gasoline market caused by these sorts of problems between the wellhead and the pump for a while.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2008 3:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Don't forget to add two-bits or so for federal and state taxes, and another dime for regulations requiring local blends or additives that restrict supply or production.
Posted by: rammer || 10/23/2008 8:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Just got back from Oakland CA and they are paying $3.49 a gallon.

And they have a refinery in Modesto that is 20 miles away. So I think AzCat may be on to something.
They are using FILO Accounting methods or something.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 9:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Gas is dropping like a rock here in CO. Just fell under $2.70 at a couple discount places.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/23/2008 10:59 Comments || Top||

#5  2.57 at the cheapest pump in town just south of Boston. Down a buck since the price bump over Ike, which was about a six weeks ago. Ranges between 2.57 to 2.69.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2008 11:04 Comments || Top||

#6  That's about what we're paying in NKY. $2.58 or thereabouts.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 12:02 Comments || Top||

#7  Fred, I can think of only three ways to get to $8 crude:
1) Massive new discoveries - highly unlikely.
2) Alternative energy development - likely eventually, but probably not before most of the oil is gone.
3) Total economic collapse - the only truly plausible way to get prices down that low, and I don't think we want to go there.

I'm still not driving a foot more than I have to. For one thing, who knows whether we'll have pay checks next month?

Always a good plan. I'm in the oil business and spent 1982-98 following it as something like 75% of my colleagues lost their jobs. I still drive as few feet as possible - good habit.

You indicate $2.64 is a 50 cent 'overcharge' (and I think your cost approximations are decent estimates): that works out to about a 20% margin - what margin would not be an overcharge? For once, a big part of the margin is going to the end marketers, who have been struggling to stay solvent for years. If they make 40 cents per gallon margin for the rest of the year they will likely actually make a profit for the year.
Posted by: Glenmore || 10/23/2008 13:50 Comments || Top||

#8  DOE's breakdown doesn't differentiate between refining costs and profits (which it says is 17% of the retail cost). It also gives a distribution cost plus marketing and retail profits fraction of 10%.

(I suspect they don't really want you to know how little margin refiners have. I doubt anyone's getting rich at refineries; the corner gas station typically makes its profit margins off of soda pop).

See here, albeit with a grain of salt:

[http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/gasolinepricesprimer/].
Posted by: Tranquilized Mechanical Yeti || 10/23/2008 14:02 Comments || Top||

#9  Let's also not ignore that senior management's cut is figured in the operating costs and every transaction in the process from exploration, extraction, transportation, refining, transportation [part II] and distribution, not just general administration. That gets hidden in the 'overhead'. You think the senior management of the corporations pay is tied to market vagaries? Move that little accounting line from costs write off to the profit column and then see the change.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2008 15:29 Comments || Top||

#10  It's 3.40-3.50 here in Chicago, but I work in Wisconsin quite a bit, and it's 2.79 in a few spots.

Chicago has it's own refinery and special blends, and add in .25 or so just for more expensive real estate, and it's always more expensive here.
Posted by: Don Vito Omeling5062 || 10/23/2008 17:28 Comments || Top||

#11  Let's also not ignore that senior management's cut ....

Don't fall for the class warfare rhetoric, particularly with respect to oil. "Senior management" for about 85% of the world's production is really foreign governments. For the small slice of private oil that remains I doubt they had a tenth of a cent per gallon to your cost. Actually I'd be stunned if it was actually that much.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2008 20:04 Comments || Top||

#12  Passed a sign this afternoon for $2.39 just outside Richmond, VA. Sam's is probably lower, but I won't be by there to tank up until later in the weekend.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/23/2008 20:57 Comments || Top||

#13  ..for about 85% of the world's production is really foreign governments.

Just another form of 'senior management' or mismanagement. It doesn't cost that much more to crack oil in Houston than it does in Europe. The price difference is the direct government take. Throw in the 85% of the worlds government corruption exploiting that resource [like the Mexican model] and the senior management cut is very impressive.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2008 21:48 Comments || Top||

#14  right at $3.05 here in San Diego (away from the freeway high-price spots) for Regular Un-leaded
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2008 22:50 Comments || Top||

#15  $2.25 at a Sam's in Austin today














Posted by: Sherry || 10/23/2008 23:17 Comments || Top||


Global Markets Fall on Recession Fears
Global stocks fell sharply on Wednesday as fear of a worldwide recession elbowed its way into Asian and European markets.

With signs that the worst of the credit crisis is easing, weak corporate earnings, rising inventories and falling demand are now in focus from Wall Street to Tokyo. Stocks in Japan declined nearly 7 percent, while an index of equity shares across Asia fell more than 5 percent -- at one point hitting a four-year low.

South Korean shares hit a three-year low, and the country's troubled currency, the won, fell again against the dollar. A $130 billion plan by the Seoul government to strengthen the won, stabilize stocks and restore bank liquidity was announced last weekend, but it has failed, so far, to overcome concern that a global recession will drag down South Korea's export-dependent economy.

European indexes opened low and headed down further through the day. By closing, major exchanges in the U.K., France and Germany were down in excess of 4 percent. Bank of England head Mervyn King had warned in a Tuesday speech about a possible "sharp and prolonged slowdown," and signaled possible future interest rate reductions.

The likelihood of continent-wide interest rate cuts has helped push the euro and the pound down sharply against the dollar, with the euro dipping below $1.30. Crude oil continued its decline, falling below $70 a barrel.

Wall Street stocks fell sharply at opening, and the Dow Jones industrial average was down 403 points, or 4.5 percent, by 2:42 p.m. The Standard & Poor's 500-stock index and tech-heavy Nasdaq were also down. In a sign of an evolving economic slowdown, exporters in Asia are seeing an alarming rise in inventories as demand from the United States and Europe declines, analysts said.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ION YAHOO > UNO: UP TO 2.7MILYUHN NORTH KOREASN TO RUN OUT OF FOOD BY OCTOBER 31st. IIRC, the NOKORS had already dipped into their MILITARY FOOD STOCKPILES THE LAST TIME, AND WEREN'T SURE OF ABILITY TO RELPENISH SAME.

See also STRATEGYPAGE for VARIOUS ARTICS ON CHINA; + FREEREPUBLIC [paraph] > REPORT: IRAN CONSIDERING PREEMPTIVE STRIKE AGZ ISRAEL TO PROTECT ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAMS!?

IOW, unless I've missed something, NOKOR running out of vital foodstuffies, new and national reserve, for both its ARMED FORCES as well as its CIVILIANS [ AGAIN, and by extens also for PARTY BIGWIGS/POLITICOS]???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/23/2008 3:13 Comments || Top||


Global Financial Summit Scheduled for Nov. 15
President Bush will host a summit meeting on the global financial crisis on Nov. 15 in Washington, bringing together world leaders for the first in a series of conferences aimed at reforming the international financial system, the White House announced today.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Great, as if things weren't bad enough. I like some of the things Bush has done, but economics dont seem to be his forte.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/23/2008 12:05 Comments || Top||



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