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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Roman Polanski: What Did He Do? -The real lowdown
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 09/30/2009 12:42 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If you have a strong stomach, the Smoking Gun has a bunch of documents on this in the archives section. (Including the victim's original grand jury statement and the transcript of the plea in front of the judge.)
Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie || 09/30/2009 13:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Has anyone pointed out that there are people still in jail for committing the same crime at the same time? And this guy turned down a plea bargain of another 48 days to the 6 weeks he'd already served?

He's already had 30 years of preferential treatment on top of the original preferential treatment.

And now AG Holder's former associate is heading up his US legal team, to handle the diplomatic offensive?

Posted by: Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division || 09/30/2009 20:09 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Elite Swedish soldiers blow up wrong house
A group of elite Swedish soldiers made a colossal error during a demolition exercise at the weekend when they blasted their way into the wrong house.

The incident took place during what was supposed to be a routine training operation, for a group of soldiers from Sweden's Life Regiment Hussars (K3), an elite cavalry division involved in intelligence and paratrooper training.

On its website, the Life Regiment Hussars characterize themselves as "light, highly mobile units with substantial strike power."

Among other credentials, the Hussars also boast of having "long experience in the area of intelligence."

But something nevertheless went wrong for the soldiers involved in an exercise which took place in Röjdåfors in northern Värmland in west central Sweden, near the Norwegian border, according to the Nya Wermlands-Tidningen (NWT).

The mission, performed in conjunction with the Swedish home guard (Hemvärnet), called for the soldiers to capture a house.

However, the elite unit somehow managed to hit the wrong target, and instead bombarded a house located about 200 metres from their intended target.

Collateral damage included blown out doors and window frames, before the soldier's discovered their mistake.

"I think we've already cleaned up after ourselves. And we have, of course, contacted the owner. There's no hard feeling between us," K3's public relations officer told the newspaper.

The K3 soldiers are prized as one of Sweden's elite military units and have recently completed training drills in both France and Germany, including exercises performed in collaboration with German paratroopers in Bavaria.
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  An artillery unit of the Michigan National Guard once took out a vacation cottage near Camp Grayling with a shell, no hard feeling there either, the occupants had gone out to eat before the splinters flew, and they had a terrific story to tell the grandchildren.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 09/30/2009 1:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, as long as it wasn't a Palestinian house...
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/30/2009 4:21 Comments || Top||

#3  WE are NOT getting our promotion = new stripes for a while, aren't we???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/30/2009 19:48 Comments || Top||


Malaysian villagers amazed by "Allah meat"
A family of Malaysian villagers became the talk of the town after they found the word Allah, meaning God in Arabic, inscribed on meat bought from the local market, the country's press reported on Tuesday.

Housewife Rashadah Abdul Rani, 57, said her son bought the meat from a market in the village and it was her daughter who discovered the inscription.

"I cut the meat into six pieces and soaked them in the water. It was my daughter, who was helping me in the kitchen, who saw the word "Allah" on all six pieces of the meat," Rani told reporters at her house in Kampung Alur Gunung.

Rani said the discovery had changed her plans of cooking the meat for feast and said she would now dry the meat and keep it to use for medicinal purposes.
No doubt it'll cure your kids' polio...
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  bought the meat from a market in the village -- just wait 'til they find out it's pork.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 09/30/2009 1:23 Comments || Top||

#2  This stuff happens all around the world. From time to time there are reports of an image of Jesus on various food items, which are either a source of wonder to the faithful or cynically hawked for a large profit on eBay. The specifics of the religion are secondary.

Our brains are wired to see patterns. Sometimes the patterns we find are a little hard for others to discern.
Posted by: lotp || 09/30/2009 6:26 Comments || Top||

#3  It was my daughter, who was helping me in the kitchen, who saw the word "Allah" written in crayon on all six pieces of the meat
Oops! Mystery solved.
Posted by: Spot || 09/30/2009 8:07 Comments || Top||

#4  @lotp: Sure that's ONE theory and I GUESS it's possible. But I am putting my money on Allah inscribing his name in pork chops.
Posted by: Excalibur || 09/30/2009 8:14 Comments || Top||

#5  now if only they had ebay
Posted by: liberalhawk || 09/30/2009 9:58 Comments || Top||

#6  if you hold it in the light just right you can see an image of the virgin as well.
Posted by: 746 || 09/30/2009 10:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Sometimes the patterns we find are a little hard for others to discern.

Or care about. I'd have made a youtube video of me BBQing them. >:-}
Posted by: gorb || 09/30/2009 12:04 Comments || Top||

#8  Someone should sell and Allah brand so people could brand their steaks with it.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 09/30/2009 17:25 Comments || Top||

#9  I recall several years ago someone was hawking a burnt piece of toast supposedly bearing the Virgin, Mary's likeness.

Got a lot of publicity, no idea what happened to that particular bread slice.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 09/30/2009 17:37 Comments || Top||

#10  I remember getting a "HOLY PRAYER CLOTH" (Printed heavy paper) from the REVEREND IKE.
it was printed so the angle you used to look like either Jesus's eyes were open or closed.
Enclosed was a printed statement that REVEREND IKE had prayed over it(Bullshit) and if you sent 5 bucks hthen Jesus's eyes would open for you and grant your wishes.

I sent him a photocopy of one side of a five buck bill, printed on one side just like his HOLY PRAYER CLOTH (Paper) Was.

He never bothered me again, but I have to wonder just how many suckers he fooled.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 09/30/2009 17:56 Comments || Top||

#11  I put the allah meat in the refridgerator, and it exploded right next to the kosher dill pickles!
Posted by: flash91 || 09/30/2009 19:09 Comments || Top||

#12  "I cut the meat into six pieces and soaked them in the water."

What the hell....?

Was this goat meat? Nobody in their right mind does this to good beef.

Oh, wait....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/30/2009 21:04 Comments || Top||

#13  I should have expected that, flash91...but somehow I didn't. :-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/30/2009 23:19 Comments || Top||

#14  So Malaysian villagers are cheap to entertain?
Posted by: 3dc || 09/30/2009 23:24 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
U.S. Northeast May Have Coldest Winter in a Decade
(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Northeast may have the coldest winter in a decade because of a weak El Nino, a warming current in the Pacific Ocean, according to Matt Rogers, a forecaster at Commodity Weather Group.

"Weak El Ninos are notorious for cold and snowy weather on the Eastern seaboard," Rogers said in a Bloomberg Television interview from Washington. "About 70 percent to 75 percent of the time a weak El Nino will deliver the goods in terms of above-normal heating demand and cold weather. It's pretty good odds."

Warming in the Pacific often means fewer Atlantic hurricanes and higher temperatures in the U.S. Northeast during January, February and March, according to the National Weather Service. El Nino occurs every two to five years, on average, and lasts about 12 months, according to the service.

Hedge-fund managers and other large speculators increased their net-long positions, or bets prices will rise, in New York heating oil futures in the week ended Sep. 22, according to U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission data Sept. 25.

"It could be one of the coldest winters, or the coldest, winter of the decade," Rogers said.

U.S. inventories of distillate fuels, which include heating oil, are at their highest since January 1983, the U.S. Energy Department said Sept. 23. Stockpiles of 170.8 million barrels in the week ended Sept. 18 are 28 percent above the five-year average.

Heating oil for October delivery rose 1.38 cents, or 0.8 percent, to settle at $1.6909 a gallon on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the correlation between weak el ninos and cold NE winters could easily be a coincidence because the historical record is not very long
Posted by: lord garth || 09/30/2009 2:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Global worming in action
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/30/2009 4:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Of course all those climate models run years ago predicted this. Oh, no. Ah, never mind......
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/30/2009 8:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Northeast had a cooler, wetter summer than usual. And it seems to me that fall has been significantly warmer than usual, at least so far.
Posted by: Glenmore || 09/30/2009 11:19 Comments || Top||

#5  We are about a month ahead of schedule for autumn out here.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 09/30/2009 11:37 Comments || Top||

#6  We are having unseaonably cool weather here. And much wetter, too. May get frost Thursday morning. It's East Tennessee.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 09/30/2009 14:32 Comments || Top||

#7  The local weather reporter gave a possibility of frost overnight tonight in Cincinnati, at the corner of Kentucky and Indiana.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/30/2009 14:54 Comments || Top||

#8  anecdotal info, its the best.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 09/30/2009 14:56 Comments || Top||

#9  RI weather has been simply fab since the sloppy month of June - no sign the winter will be bad but as they say here - If you don't like the weather wait a minute.
Posted by: rightwing || 09/30/2009 16:23 Comments || Top||

#10  55 in south Alabama last night, not unheard of, but cooler than normal.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 09/30/2009 17:40 Comments || Top||

#11  Here in North Texas, this summer (except for a n unusually short two week period of normal hot weather, > 95 degree F) it has been cooler and wetter than normal. I'm anticipating at least two snowfalls this winter. Getting one every other year is about normal where I'm at.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 09/30/2009 18:40 Comments || Top||

#12  We just finished renovations to our home destroyed by Hurricane Ike (almost a year to the day). This has been a very mild season as far as hurricane threats go (although the season isn't quite over yet). I wish I had a nickel for all the reports of increased and stronger storms - predicted, of course, by the global worming alarmists.
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 18:47 Comments || Top||

#13  anecdotal info, its the best.

Indeed. But gather together enough anecdotes and suddenly they become a statistic.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/30/2009 23:21 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
10 BCL men rape girl
Ten activists of Bangladesh Chhatra League (BCL) allegedly gang-raped a teenage girl Friday night and were later handed down mere punishment at village arbitration arranged to ensure their escape by local Awami League leaders.

Family sources say the AL leaders compelled the victim's father not to go for legal action and also took their signatures on three blank sheets to stop any future move to that end.

Police also released two of the accused held on the spot while handing the victim over to her father early Saturday morning.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Polanski weeps in envy.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/30/2009 4:31 Comments || Top||

#2  I guess Whoopie would say she wasn't rape-rape-rape-rape-rape-rape-rape-rape-rape-raped so it must be ok.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/30/2009 8:24 Comments || Top||

#3  These are not the droids elite you were looking for. Move on.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/30/2009 8:42 Comments || Top||


Economy
Buffalo named third-poorest city in U.S.
From the department of Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.
Nearly a third of Buffalo's residents eke out an existence below the poverty level, making it the third-poorest city in America, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released Tuesday morning.
City, or metropolitan area? That can skew the results.
The 2008 American Community Survey found that 30.3 percent of the people living in Buffalo were beneath the federal poverty line last year.
What is the median age in the poorest cities versus the average and richest -- or at any rate least poor -- among them? Were I doing this survey, I'd have put in questions to capture that information, or at least drill down in the data to understand the numbers better.
The official poverty threshold varies, depending on the size of a household and the ages of its members. The line for a family of two adults and two children, for example, was $21,834 in 2008.

Detroit is the poorest city in America, with 33.3 percent of its residents below the poverty level. Cleveland comes second at 30.5 percent, and Buffalo is the only other major city above 30 percent.

Anchorage has the lowest poverty rate among the nation's major cities, defined as those with populations of 250,000 or more. Just 6.4 percent of Anchorage's residents were living in poverty a year ago.

The American Community Survey is an annual program designed to generate data during the years between the Census Bureau's decennial headcounts. The bureau has been releasing 2008 ACS data in stages this month.
Then no doubt my questions could have been answered, based on the last census if nothing more, but the journalist couldn't be bothered to question the bald statement issued by the Census Bureau.
The following are the bottom ten cities in America with at least 250,000 residents, ranked according to their 2008 poverty rates:

1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty
2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty
3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty
4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty
5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty
6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty
7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty
8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty
9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty
10. Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How does our 'poverty' level rank against that of, say, Mali or Bangladesh?
Posted by: no mo uro || 09/30/2009 5:59 Comments || Top||

#2 
And what percentage of these folks "in poverty" are overweight?
Posted by: Parabellum || 09/30/2009 8:23 Comments || Top||

#3  recently saw a stat that the 'poorer' you are, the more obese.

think it was being used to spin more welfare dollars. :(
Posted by: abu do you love || 09/30/2009 8:32 Comments || Top||

#4  ..Mali or Bangladesh?

Or Haiti. Or for that matter what is the standard of poverty in Buffalo compared to poverty in Gallup, New Mexico or on the Sioux Reservation in the Dakotas. Wonder how many in Buffalo would want to swap places with those in poverty in the invisible flyover hinterlands.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/30/2009 8:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Huh. Toledo's there at eighth. Seeing a pattern here, people? Cities on Lake Erie. Wonder what the common issue is. Although I'm pretty sure that some of Ohio's other problem cities aren't there just because they fell under the 250k threshold - Youngstown springs to mind.

Miami? How the hell can anyone afford to be impoverished in Miami?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 09/30/2009 8:44 Comments || Top||

#6  How the hell can anyone afford to be impoverished in Miami?

They have their Liberty City. Not the one in GTA, but the one featured sometimes in A&E's The First 48 (Hours) [reality homicide investigations].
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/30/2009 9:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Seems to be a rough trend... The longer the area has been under Democrat leadership, the higher the percentage of poverty.

Is it the Democrats' "punish achievement" that drive the "rich" away, or their 'subsidize failure' that keeps the "poor" poor?
Posted by: abu do you love || 09/30/2009 9:29 Comments || Top||

#8  Throw in the Donks and the left's unwilling to acknowledge human free will [to make bad choices] that undermines planning and resource allocation. The proverb stands - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Just don't drag everyone else down for those who choose destructive or dead end life styles. Wealth or poverty doesn't make one inherently good or bad. It's one's choices that do.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/30/2009 9:46 Comments || Top||

#9  This is why they call it the rust belt. Since WWII there has been a smart-money diaspora from these once-proud cities to lands w/better climates, economies, business prospects, governments and football teams.
Posted by: regular joe || 09/30/2009 11:27 Comments || Top||

#10  New Orleans has moved from last place a few years ago to well above the national average now. Presumably all that Katrina insurance and government aid money cycling through the local economy. Thanks, America.
Posted by: Glenmore || 09/30/2009 11:27 Comments || Top||

#11  Well, Glenmore, if you check the spike in crime in Houston following the post-Katrina diaspora you'd figured a good chunk of the destructive and non-productive elements found new and far more fertile hunting grounds and less reason to return to the ravaged pickings back in New Orleans.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/30/2009 11:45 Comments || Top||

#12  Parabellum, you get high rates of obesity among the poor for the following reasons:
1. A lot of starch in the diet for families who have a low food budget;
2. Ignorance about reading food labels for nutritional value;
3. Ignorance about how to plan a balanced meal.
4. Crummy schools that, in their efforts to teach health and nutrition, don't do any better than they do with core subjects.
5. Supermarket chains that sell their crummier fruit in urban markets because the suburbanites won't buy anything with a little ding in it.

I once tried to explain to a lady in the supermarket that the bottled fruit drink she was buying had no food value, and that she could stretch her food stamps further if she bought a certain brand of inexpensive frozen juice concentrate. She didn't get it. It was all "juice" to her.

We had a neighbor family who never had any food in the house; the refrigerator was unplugged and the mom bought a lot of peanut butter and pizza and chips. The two daughters came over to my house a lot. I taught one of them how to sew, and I taught both of them a few cooking skills. I gave them permission to get snacks out of my fridge, and they chose apples and carrots every time. We went through a lot of apples and carrots.

Posted by: mom || 09/30/2009 12:08 Comments || Top||

#13  How many of the cities have DEMocrat mayors?
Posted by: airandee || 09/30/2009 13:56 Comments || Top||

#14  Using income level without reference to cost of living really scews the results.

When you do that, El Paso and Miami will probably fall out of the bottom 10, Newark will probably be the worst (with a NYC cost of living), and Anchorage would fall out of the top 10 (extremely high cost of living in Alaska).

I bet LA would fall into bottom 10 adjusted for cost of living.
Posted by: Frozen Al || 09/30/2009 15:13 Comments || Top||

#15  Seeing a pattern here, people? Cities on Lake Erie. Wonder what the common issue is

Oh Yo me an since all the polluting industries wer run out of the country?
All around the great lakes areas?

Why, Why, You POLLUTER, how dare you use FACTS against us RIGHTIOUS GREENIES, the HOLY Obama will Provide.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 09/30/2009 17:48 Comments || Top||

#16  re #12: mom, have you ever been to India? There are LOTS of very poor people there. There are also very few fat people.
"Poor" people in America are usually much richer than poor people in other countries.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 09/30/2009 18:07 Comments || Top||

#17  How does our 'poverty' level rank against that of, say, Mali or Bangladesh?

The Heritage Foundation examined this subject...just how poor are America's poor?...a couple of years ago.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg2064.cfm

Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 19:09 Comments || Top||

#18  All centers for the future OWG-NWO, NAU = NORAM FREE TRADE ZONES.

Multi-State, Multi-Natinal, Multi/Trans-Sovereign.

But I digress .......
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/30/2009 19:46 Comments || Top||

#19  Yes, our poor have more resources than other countries' poor. They're still poor, they're still trapped in an ugly mess, and as noted elsewhere on the Burg, certain politicians are doing their damnedest to keep people there.

People look at obese poor people and say, "They're fat, so they can't be hungry." This is false.

People here on the Burg talk about consequences of poor choices. I have had some opportunity to mentor people who have no clue how to make good choices in the first place. I won't take up Fred's bandwidth with the details; but I have seen people, when given even a little direction and support, take control of their choices and make real progress.



Posted by: mom || 09/30/2009 23:21 Comments || Top||

#20  http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg2064.cfm

Thanks, Woozle Uneter9007, I bookmarked it.

mom, ditto. Formerly temporary daughter and part-time daughter, in my case. Not that either was technically poor, it's just their parents were, for various reasons, dangerously incapable.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/30/2009 23:27 Comments || Top||


Europe
Europe's Socialists Tanking
A specter is haunting Europe -- the specter of Socialism's slow collapse.
I wouldn't get too excited. The pendulum swings back and forth even in the Olde Countrie.
Even in the midst of one of the greatest challenges to capitalism in 75 years, involving a breakdown of the financial system due to "irrational exuberance," greed and the weakness of regulatory systems, European Socialist parties and their left-wing cousins have not found a compelling response, let alone taken advantage of the right's failures.
"Hmmm...," the voter tells himself, "stagnation or collapse? Which shall I choose?"
German voters clobbered the Social Democratic Party on Sunday, giving it only 23 percent of the vote, its worst performance since World War II.
Germans prefer their commies without a sugar coating...
Voters also punished left-leaning candidates in the summer's European Parliament elections and trounced French Socialists in 2007. Where the left holds power, as in Spain and Britain, it is under attack. Where it is out, as in France, Italy and now Germany, it is divided and listless.
In power, the left is given the opportunity to prove its incompetence and urge to destruction. Out of power it merely obstructs and subverts.
Some American conservatives demonize President Obama's fiscal stimulus and health care overhaul as a dangerous turn toward European-style Socialism -- but it is Europe's right, not left, that is setting its political agenda.
We're usually out of sync: Reagan and Thatcher were "balanced" by Mitterand.
Europe's center-right parties have embraced many ideas of the left: generous welfare benefits, nationalized health care, sharp restrictions on carbon emissions, the ceding of some sovereignty to the European Union. But they have won votes by promising to deliver more efficiently than the left, while working to lower taxes, improve financial regulation, and grapple with aging populations.
This is why the CDU/CSU is slowly sinking as well, while the perennial junior partner Free Democrats are on an upswing. Being "conservative" is more than just delivering the boodle promised by the Social Dems more efficiently. It helps to stand for something yourself.
Europe's conservatives, says Michel Winock, a historian at the Paris Institut d'Études Politiques, "have adapted themselves to modernity." When Nicolas Sarkozy of France and Germany's Angela Merkel condemn the excesses of the "Anglo-Saxon model" of capitalism while praising the protective power of the state, they are using Socialist ideas that have become mainstream, he said.
And still missing the point of individual liberty as the foundation of capitalism. If you're free of the obligation of tugging your forelock in the presence of the aristocracy (or priesthood or your local block leader) you're free to attend to your own affairs, which include your economic life. If the state has "protective power" so also does it have the power to give and to take away.
It is not that the left is irrelevant -- it often represents the only viable opposition to established governments, and so benefits, as in the United States, from the normal cycle of electoral politics.
That's what I said about the pendulum swinging.
In Portugal, the governing Socialists won re-election on Sunday, but lost an absolute parliamentary majority. In Spain, the Socialists still get credit for opposing both Franco and the Iraq war. In Germany, the broad left, including the Greens, has a structural majority in Parliament, but the Social Democrats, in postelection crisis, must contemplate allying with the hard left, Die Linke, which has roots in the old East German Communist Party.
The Second International allying with the Third International. Tut tut. What would Lenin say?
Part of the problem is the "wall in the head" between East and West Germans. While the Christian Democrats moved smoothly eastward, the Social Democrats of the West never joined with the Communists. "The two Germanys, one Socialist, one Communist -- two souls -- never really merged," said Giovanni Sartori, a professor emeritus at Columbia University. "It explains why the S.P.D., which was always the major Socialist party in Europe, cannot really coalesce."
Having seen first-hand the drabness of the DDR, and having watched -- if only from a distance -- the events as the wall finally came down, I can't understand the Germans' apparent longing for it. But I've never had to defer to a block leader, either.
The situation in France is even worse for the left. Asked this summer if the party was dying, Bernard-Henri Lévy, an emblematic Socialist, answered: "No -- it is already dead. No one, or nearly no one, dares to say it. But everyone, or nearly everyone, knows it." While he was accused of exaggerating, given that the party is the largest in opposition and remains popular in local government, his words struck home.
I'm not sure if it's actually dead. La Belle France has a liking for illogical politix. I think it's an outgrowth of their liking for counterintuitive philosophers.
The Socialist Party, with a long revolutionary tradition and weakening ties to a diminishing working class, is riven by personal rivalries. The party last won the presidency in 1988, and in 2007, Ségolène Royal lost the presidency to Mr. Sarkozy by 6.1 percent, a large margin.
She was something of a loup-loup, but I think Monsieur Jacque Crapaud simply had more affection for Sarkozy, whom one suspects has testicles.
With a reputation for flakiness, Ms. Royal narrowly lost the party leadership election last year to a more doctrinaire Socialist, Martine Aubry, by 102 votes out of 135,000. The ensuing allegations of fraud further chilled their relations. While Ms. Royal would like to move the Socialists to the center and explore a more formal coalition with the Greens and the Democratic Movement of François Bayrou, Ms. Aubry fears diluting the party. She is both famous and infamous for achieving the 35-hour workweek in the last Socialist government.
Which contributed to le competitivenesse Francais precisely how?
The French Socialist Party "is trapped in a hopeless contradiction," said Tony Judt, director of the Remarque Institute at New York University. It espouses a radical platform it cannot deliver; the result leaves space for parties to its left that can take as much as 15 percent of the vote.
I think it -- and the other parties of the left -- share much with B.O.'s world view, which is divorced from the perception of finite bounds to the things we'd like to do. If the world doesn't fit, it can't be forced to fit, no matter how much you demonstrate.
The party, at its summer retreat last month at La Rochelle, a coastal resort, still talked of "comrades" and "party militants." Its seminars included "Internationalism at Globalized Capitalism's Hour of Crisis." But its infighting has drawn ridicule. Mr. Sarkozy told his party this month that he sent "a big thank-you" to Ms. Royal, "who is helping me a lot," and Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a prominent European Green politician, said "everyone has cheated" in the Socialist Party and accused Ms. Royal of acting like "an outraged young girl."

The internecine squabbling in France and elsewhere has done little to position Socialist parties to answer the question of the moment: how to preserve the welfare state amid slower growth and rising deficits. The Socialists have, in this contest, become conservatives, fighting to preserve systems that voters think need to be improved, though not abandoned.

"The Socialists can't adapt to the loss of their basic electorate, and with globalism, the welfare state can no longer exist in the same way," Professor Sartori said.

Enrico Letta, 43, is one of the hopes of Italy's left, currently in disarray in the face of Silvio Berlusconi's nationalist populism. "We have to understand that Socialism is an answer of the last century," Mr. Letta said. "We need to build a center-left that is pragmatic, that provides an attractive alternative, and not just an opposition."
They always say that when they're out of power. They get back in power and they consider it a mandate for the doctrinaire.
Mr. Letta argues that Socialist policies will have to be transmuted into a more fluid form to allow an alliance with center, liberal and green parties that won't be called "Socialist."
"Watermelon" is the term I think is currently favored: Green on the outside, red on the inside, with specks of black to accommodate the anarchists.
Mr. Winock, the historian, said, "I think the left and Socialism in Europe still have work to do; they have a raison d'être, and they will have to rely more on environment issues." Combined with continuing efforts to reduce income disparity, he said, "going green" may give the left more life.
... by concealing its meat within that green shell...
Mr. Judt argues that European Socialists need a new message -- how to reform capitalism, "recognizing the centrality of economic interest while displacing it from its throne as the only way of talking about politics." European Socialists need "to think a lot harder about what the state can and can't do in the 21st century," he said.

Not an easy syllabus. But without that kind of reform, Mr. Judt said, "I don't think Socialism in Europe has a future; and given that it is a core constitutive part of the European democratic consensus, that's bad news."
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Europe has been in slow collapse and stagnation for years. At the moment, the only thing to see is if they go out with a whimper, or a bang.

I vote whimper or unmotivated sigh.
Posted by: DarthVader || 09/30/2009 9:18 Comments || Top||

#2  There are some major blunders in this article afa Germany is concerned.

"Die Linke" "The Left" doesn't have "roots in the old East German Communist Party", it is the Communist Party of East Germany.

"CPEG" by the way is what this party is, not what it has ever called itself. Official (German language) designations have been:KPD, SED, SED-PDS, PDS, Linkspartei, "Die Linke", SEW, DKP.

"Die Linke" has roots in the CPEG in the sense that Yusuf Islam has roots in Cat Stevens.

They're still Communists too. The former chairman of the CPEG, Lothar Bisky is currently the chairman of all european Communists.

As for Sartori's comment:

The Soviet occupation in the Eastern Zone ordered a merger between the Communists and the Social Democrats in 1946.

The net effect was that the Social Democratic Party (SPD) was dissolved and henceforth illegal in the Eastern Zone.

SPD members who resisted that merger were brutally persecuted. Kurt Schumacher, concentration camp survivor and first post-war chairman of the SPD in the Westen Zones called the Communists "rotlackierte Nazis" "Nazis dyed red".

Contrary to Mr Nutso Sartori's opinion,
reunification was never about "merger with a Communist soul", it was about bailing out a ruined, blighted, devastated and ugly failure.

Unfortunately bailing out the "Eastern Zone" was ultimately a failure as well.

We poured in ridiculous sums of money only to build a large-scale welfare colony, the maintenance of which we cannot afford ultimately.

If, in the end our "Brothers and Sisters in the Eastern Zone" should really insist on a merger with Communism (i.e. welfare subsidized by a productive economy in the West), the time might come when that which does not belong together must be separated.

The alternative would be a replay of Weimar, a western style democracy standing on one leg only (center-left in Weimar, center-right now).

"the broad left, including the Greens, has a structural majority in Parliament" is bollocks.

After election the CDU/FDP is stronger in parliament that SPD/Communists/Greens. There was a leftist majority in the old parliament but the SPD had pledged not to form a coalition with the Communists during the 2005 campaign, hence the CDU/SPD coalition.

The Hessian SPD had made a similar pledge prior to the Hessian elections of 2008. After the election however they broke their promise and tried to govern with the support of the Communists. 4 members of the SPD caucus refused to go along.

Early elections were called and the SPD suffered a devastating defeat presaging the defeat on 9/27.

There's good reason to believe that SPD voters at least in West Germany would not appreciate a collaboration with the Communists and that the lies of the Hessian SPD contributed to making voters of the democratic left wary of voting SPD, in spite of their pledges.
Posted by: Omusoting McCoy7706 || 09/30/2009 17:31 Comments || Top||

#3  All real Some American conservatives demonize President Obama's fiscal stimulus and health care overhaul

There! Fixed it for ya! No charge.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 09/30/2009 18:45 Comments || Top||

#4  A useful lecture from Rantburg Professor Omusoting McCoy7706. Thank you, sir or madam! May I just add that had the West German unions not insisted that West German wage laws, including minimum wage, be applied to all East Germans upon unification, a good deal of the economim problems Omusoting McCoy7706 outlines could have been avoided. Instead, the international and German companies eager to enter the Iron Curtain countries set up shop in the Czech Republic (Slovakia was entirely too bucolic for industry at that point) and Hungary, and then later points east, skipping East German's more highly trained workers altogether.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/30/2009 23:48 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Escape to Montana, Canadians seek a private option.
When the pain in Christina Woodkey's legs became so severe that she could no longer hike or cross-country ski, she went to her local health clinic. The Calgary, Canada, resident was told she'd need to see a hip specialist. Because the problem was not life-threatening, however, she'd have to wait about a year.

So wait she did.

In January, the hip doctor told her that a narrowing of the spine was compressing her nerves and causing the pain. She needed a back specialist. The appointment was set for Sept. 30. 'When I was given that date, I asked when could I expect to have surgery,' said Woodkey, 72. 'They said it would be a year and a half after I had seen this doctor.'

So this month, she drove across the border into Montana and got the $50,000 surgery done in two days. 'I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada,' Woodkey said. 'It's not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I'm happy to say the pain is almost all gone.'

Whereas U.S. healthcare is predominantly a private system paid for by private insurers, things in Canada tend toward the other end of the spectrum: A universal, government-funded health system is only beginning to flirt with private-sector medicine.

Hoping to capitalize on patients who might otherwise go to the U.S. for speedier care, a network of technically illegal private clinics and surgical centers has sprung up in British Columbia, echoing a trend in Quebec. In October, the courts will be asked to decide whether the budding system should be sanctioned. More than 70 private health providers in British Columbia now schedule simple surgeries and tests such as MRIs with waits as short as a week or two, compared with the months it takes for a public surgical suite to become available for nonessential operations.

'What we have in Canada is access to a government, state-mandated wait list,' said Brian Day, a former Canadian Medical Assn. director who runs a private surgical center in Vancouver. 'You cannot force a citizen in a free and democratic society to simply wait for healthcare, and outlaw their ability to extricate themselves from a wait list.'"

In other words, while Congress debates whether to set U.S. medicine on the Canadian path, Canadians are desperately seeking their own private option. At least Ms. Woodkey had the safety valve of Montana and private American medicine. Once Congress passes a form of Medicare for all, with its inevitable government price controls and limits on care, Americans might not be so lucky.

Let's hope that by then Canada has expanded its own private option, so Americans will one day be able to visit Alberta for faster, better care. Unless Congress bars that too.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 09/30/2009 14:04 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  1. where is the canadian political movement to end single payer?

2. The baucus bill,even with a public option, wont be the Canadian system.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 09/30/2009 14:55 Comments || Top||

#2  > where is the canadian political movement to end single payer?

Everyone who votes with their feet and crosses the border to escape bureaucratic rationing.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 09/30/2009 16:14 Comments || Top||

#3  The current attempts at railroading health care legislation through in the U.S. is not so about health care or providing services as it is about gaining control over one-sixth of the economy and all that comes with that.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/30/2009 18:06 Comments || Top||

#4  BINGO, JohnQC!
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 18:23 Comments || Top||

#5  where is the canadian political movement to end single payer?

I imagine a lot of Canadians will say they like their system -- at least the ones that manage to live through it. The dead ones, not so much.

Even their SC notes that dying while waiting for treatment is unconstitutional LOL.

BP - Many choose to come here voluntarily rather than wait it out, but many are also sent here when the cases are acute. Preemies, as well.
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 18:28 Comments || Top||

#6  canadian political movement to end single payer?

I duuno, maybe it's in the form of illegal private healthcare facilities popping up like weeds?
Posted by: Mike N. || 09/30/2009 18:56 Comments || Top||

#7  Ask most Canadians you encounter and they'll tell you that they are 'happy' with their health plan -- it's 'fair' and it covers their everyday needs.

They'll acknowledge that it has problems (just like we acknowledge that we have problems with our system). But they're into the egalitarian aspects of it, so while they'll admit that it can take time to get specialty care, that's lower on their list of priorities.

Until they need specialty care, that is.

That's one of the problems with the current plan debated for our country: we all know that it will cut access, particularly to specialty care, so that it can pay for everyday care. Big deal you say, I need everyday care more.

So you do.

Until you need specialty care.

And at some point, you'll need that. You'll need bypass surgery, or a hip replacement, or a new generation antibiotic, etc.

When you're then told that you have to wait a year, or that your "quality-adjusted life year" score isn't high enough, or that you're too old, you're going to discover what the Canadians in this story already know.

By then it'll be too late, of course, just as it's too late for them.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/30/2009 19:13 Comments || Top||

#8  Canadian docs aren't crazy about the system, either.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080109/doctor_survey_080109/20080109/
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 19:30 Comments || Top||

#9  By then it'll be too late, of course, just as it's too late for them.
Posted by: Steve White2009-09-30 19:13


Bahhh! What do you know? You're not a .... oh, wait, you are.
Posted by: Frank G || 09/30/2009 19:48 Comments || Top||

#10  I have private healthcare in Germany.
Only 10% of Germans do.
It's a different world.
When I call a doctor he asks ME on what day I'd like to come and if I'm too busy Saturday would be just fine.
Posted by: European Conservative || 09/30/2009 21:39 Comments || Top||

#11  (just like we acknowledge that we have problems with our system).

I here people say that we have problems with our system, but I can never figure out what they actually are. In your opinion, what problems do we have? (that aren't caused by government)
Posted by: Mike N. || 09/30/2009 22:24 Comments || Top||

#12  Well, from my side of the pond I'd say that losing your insurance because you lose your job doesn't sound too clever. And I don't like that US insurance companies often (?) try to refuse payment on some technical legal ground (preexisting conditions etc.)

Some health reforms may not hurt. I haven't studied Obamacare to be able to tell you whether it's good or bad. You decide.

But you pay more for your health system than we do and I'd say our's isn't worse.

Posted by: European Conservative || 09/30/2009 22:36 Comments || Top||

#13  While I suspect rare, one might come across a bad glass of German beer sometime as well. I doubt that would be a good reason to turn brewing over to the German government.
Posted by: Besoeker in Duitsland || 09/30/2009 23:18 Comments || Top||

#14  When I call a doctor he asks ME on what day I'd like to come and if I'm too busy Saturday would be just fine.

One of our docs told us the same thing, adding that if that wasn't convenient, he'd be happy to stop by the house any time.

He's our vet, though.
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 23:26 Comments || Top||

#15  I have private healthcare in Germany.

Truly, European Conservative. I felt positively guilty when I compared the quality of care we received to that of our playgroup and Kindergarten friends. Because yes, timeliness is an important aspect of quality, as the Canadian Supreme Court pointed out. I'd no idea we were only 10% of the population, though.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/30/2009 23:51 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Three women tortured, forced to walk naked in public
[Dawn] Three women, accused of prostitution, were tortured by an angry mob and were later forced to walk naked on Multan Road in Phoolnagar, Kasur, a private television channel reported on Monday.

A large number of people attacked a house in Jambarkalan village, torturing the women -- including one Shahnaz -- for alleged involvement in prostitution and running a brothel in the village.

The victims said the accusations against them were baseless. They said they had a property dispute ongoing with Union Council Nazim Ilyas Khanzada who wanted to occupy their house illegally. The women have accused him of planning the assault on their home.

Khanzada confirmed the women were tortured by the mob. He, however, denied plotting against them.

Jambarkalan Police Sub-Inspector Bashir said a case had been registered against the women for running a brothel on the local residents' complaints.

Meanwhile, no case was registered against the mob that attacked the women and publicly humiliated them.
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ahhh, the religion of peace - the politics of satan.
Posted by: newc || 09/30/2009 6:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Of course there were no charges filed against the mob. They were just doing their civic duty.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 09/30/2009 9:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Just another tea party gone bad.
Posted by: Skunky Glins**** || 09/30/2009 22:20 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Three Jordanians Kill Sister Over Bad Reputation
[Asharq al-Aswat] Three Jordanian men were charged on Tuesday with premeditated murder after allegedly stabbing to death their divorced sister as well as burning her body and house over her "bad reputation," police said.

"The three brothers all under 30, agreed to kill their 40-year-old sister on Sunday because she allegedly had a bad reputation," in Abu Alanda, in southeast Amman, a police spokesman told AFP.

"She was stabbed 15 times. One of the three told police that the mother of five had a love affair with a man and that he found pictures of the woman sitting with her alleged lover."

The spokesman said the suspects "burned the victim's body and set ablaze her house to cover the crime."
Did the loving brothers bestir themselves to rescue the five children of the brazen slut, or were they allowed to burn along with the rest of the soft furnishings?
"They were arrested at hospital after being treated for burns. They confessed to the murder," added.

Murder is punishable by the death penalty in Jordan but in the case of so-called "honour killings" a court usually commutes or reduces sentences, particularly if the victim's family urges leniency.
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  but as testified by CAIR, etc., there is no such thing as an honor killing in Islam so these 3 men must be Methodists or some such.
Posted by: lord garth || 09/30/2009 3:32 Comments || Top||

#2  still waiting for a Muslim dude getting killed for having a bad reputation.
Posted by: HammerHead || 09/30/2009 8:14 Comments || Top||

#3 
MEMO
TO: Ms. Joan Jett
RE: Reputation, Bad

Avoid Jordanians!
Posted by: Parabellum || 09/30/2009 8:17 Comments || Top||

#4  How to give Jordanian men a bad reputation.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 09/30/2009 8:22 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
French politicians backpedal on Polansky as popular opinion asserts itself
After two days of widespread expressions of support for jailed filmmaker Roman Polanski, from European political leaders as well as leading cultural figures there and in the United States, the mood was shifting among French politicians Tuesday about whether the government should have rushed to rally around the Oscar-winning director. Marc Laffineur, the vice-president of the French assembly and a member of President Nicolas Sarkozy's ruling center-right party, the UMP, took issue with the French culture and foreign minister's remarks supporting Mr. Polanski, saying "the charge of raping a child 13 years old is not something trivial, whoever the suspect is."

Within the Green party, Daniel Cohn-Bendit -- a French deputy in the European parliament whose popularity is rising -- also criticized Sarkozy administration officials for leaping too quickly to Mr. Polanski's side despite the serious nature of his crime. On the extreme right, the father and daughter politicians Jean-Marie and Marine Le Pen also attacked the ministers, saying they were supporting "a criminal pedophile in the name of the rights of the political-artistic class."...

Marie-Louise Fort, a French lawmaker in the Assembly who has sponsored anti-incest legislation, said in an interview that she was shocked that Mr. Polanski was attracting support from the political and artistic elite. "I don't believe that public opinion is spontaneously supporting Mr. Polanski at all," she said. "I believe that there is a distinction between the mediagenic class of artists and ordinary citizens that have a vision that is more simple."

The mood was even more hostile in blogs and e-mails to newspapers and news magazines. Of the 30,000 participants in an online poll by the French daily Le Figaro, more than 70 percent said Mr. Polanski, 76, should face justice. And in the magazine Le Point, more than 400 letter writers were almost universal in their disdain for Mr. Polanski. That contempt was not only directed at Mr. Polanski, but at the French class of celebrities -- nicknamed Les People -- who are part of Mr. Polanski's rarefied Parisian world. Letter writers to Le Point scorned Les People as the "crypto-intelligentsia of our country" who deliver "eloquent phrases that defy common sense."...
Posted by: Mike || 09/30/2009 12:25 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "eloquent phrases that defy common sense."...

-i.e. any Obama speech
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 09/30/2009 12:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Speaking of The 0ne, has he weighed in on this issue yet?

Wait, let me guess: "That's not the Roman Polanski I knew..."
Posted by: eltoroverde || 09/30/2009 13:29 Comments || Top||

#3  The backpedaling says even more about them than their original stance.
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 13:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Within the Green party, Daniel Cohn-Bendit...

I can't decide whether Cohn-Bendit is taking a courageous stand or being a hypocrite:

...Cohn-Bendit worked in the Karl-Marx-Buchhandlung bookshop and ran a kindergarten... Later in 2001 he was accused of pedophilia. This accusation was grounded on the following citation from his 1975 book Le Grand Bazar: "On several occasions certain kids would open my fly and start to stroke me. I reacted differently according to circumstances, but their desire posed a problem for me. I asked them: 'Why don't you play together? Why have you chosen me, and not the other kids?' But if they insisted, I caressed them still."

He and the kids were exploring "a collective discourse of a new sexual morality yet to be defined".

Yeah, yeah, it's Wikipedia, but I've read that elsewhere.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 09/30/2009 15:47 Comments || Top||

#5  France could have turned him over any time they wanted to. I suspect the French citizens were unaware of the actual crimes until now.

If they'd forced him join the Foreign Legion and risk/work his butt off that might be another matter but they let him prosper because it was a thumb in the eye of America and I'm happy to see the French citizens apply a little fire to a few political feet.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 09/30/2009 17:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Yeah, I was going to comment on the daniel cohn-bandit hypocrisy. But, remember, when he wrote that bit, pedophilia was hip! As one ex soc99alist french minister of culture (jack lang, himself a not-so-closeted homosexula, even though he's married with a daughter, herself an hysterical moonbat green politician) once famously wrote in the early 80's, "pedophilia is the last unchartered copntinent of human love, than 21st century pionneers will have to explore"... libération, the leading liberal-limousine daily, was famously very pedophilia-friendly in the 70's and early 80's, hosting petitions from various leftist intellectuals to protest again child abusers'prison sentenceing, or having a self-acknowledged pedophile as a columnist.

Anyway, this whole polanski is a sordid mess, very unpleasant... anyway everybody does his kabuki dance, as expected, wingnuts want his head and blame the joooooooos (many of his defenders are jews), our Enlightened Elites blame AmeriKKKa (note the line of the current minster of culture, the nephew of the late soc66alist president, talking about the "America we love, and the scary America, which has now shown its face again"... not that as many french high-society homosexual, he's very fond of north or sub-sahara africa to go to vacations, and a few years ago, he wrote a book that made some scandal because he vilified the birthrate of black africans as a cause of the contient misery - apparently, his Racism™ was less socially acceptable than his acknowledgement of spending "quality time" with young black and arab boys).

Oh, well, anyway, polansli hasn't made a good movie since... Pirates or Frantic? Good movie maker... still, very funny to wonder... would the Chattering Class go to his rescue, should have he been, say, a mechanician? A factory worker???
No, obviously.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 09/30/2009 17:22 Comments || Top||

#7  Hum, darn words-filter.....


Ps : daniel cohn-bandit was one of the leading figures of the 1968 "student revolution" in France, he's as left as you can imagine, and, of course, he's now a green, and actually led the green party to a very sizeable good score at the last european elections, much to the chagrin of rightwing loons like me.

Note his pedophilia experience was put forth by an adversary during a debate (really don't like this guy, who IS the next french president incidentally - the BVM told him so, two different high-ranking french politicians reported he had told them that vision - too), but this badly backfired on him, as this is not well-known and his accuser was handled pretty roughly by the press.
And on teevee, this looked like an erratic outburts, and ironically gave "dany the red" some sympathy.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 09/30/2009 17:43 Comments || Top||

#8  ok, it's in that bit...

Anyway, french public is not child-ab_users friendly, IIRC, when polls on death penalty still were made (they no longer are, AFAIK), about 70% supported death penalty, and child-abuse was on the top of the offenses.

Actually, there's more than a bit of hysteria, it's become a somewhat common tactics in divor++ces, stuff like that. Sad part is, the legal system seems both unable to prevent actual child abuse (from family inc__est, to rapes of sometimes very yo_ung gi_rls by Diverse Youths™), and prone to heavy-handness in some very disturbing cases...
Perfect example would be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outreau_trial

So, the very same Enlightened Elites who now are defending polanski were then driving the nails into the coffins of the Outreau accusees. Those were lower working class people, proles, so they weren't worthy.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 09/30/2009 17:46 Comments || Top||

#9  Just when I have lost all hope in the french they surprise me. Vive La France!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/30/2009 19:06 Comments || Top||

#10  "I don't uh know all the uh facts in this case but it is clear that the uh Swiss police acted stupidly under the circumstances."
Posted by: Skunky Glins**** || 09/30/2009 21:54 Comments || Top||


Woody Allen joins the "Free Polansky" movement
Don Surber

I don’t like that blog cliche “you can’t make this up.” Sure you can. People have fertile imaginations. But why bother? This crap makes itself up.

Director Woody Allen, who had an affair with and then married his girlfriend’s daughter (his children’s step-sister), is among the Hollywood elites who are calling for the release of child-rapist and fugitive from justice, director Roman Polanski,....
Posted by: Mike || 09/30/2009 11:50 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Creeps of the world, unite! Is Obama's "Safe Schools Czar" Jennings making any statement?
Posted by: mom || 09/30/2009 12:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Free all pedophiles: out of plane at 30000 feet, without a parachute.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/30/2009 14:43 Comments || Top||

#3  I can't help but wonder if they would feel the same way if it was their sister that was raped.

Then again I'm also half afraid of the answer.
Posted by: Kelly || 09/30/2009 18:51 Comments || Top||

#4  A pedophile publicy supports a pedophile. Not that this surprises me so much as it disgusts me. That neither of these sick bastards went to prison and can support it publicly sickens me to no end.
Posted by: Mike N. || 09/30/2009 18:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Polanski is probably thinking: "Thanks for nothing".
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/30/2009 21:36 Comments || Top||

#6  100 celebrities signed a petition to support Polanski. It would have been 101 but Michael Jackson died.
Posted by: Harcourt Clusogum1649 || 09/30/2009 21:37 Comments || Top||

#7  They've gone Bananas.
Posted by: gorb || 09/30/2009 23:18 Comments || Top||


HuffPo readers sickened by site's defense of Polansky
Christian Toto, Big Hollywood (a Breitbart production)

The Huffington Post has made it crystal clear where it stands on the news that director Roman Polanski may have to answer for his 31-year-old crime of child rape: “Move on, everyone. Nothing to see here. Keep on directing, Roman. Love ya!”

The popular liberal site has posted numerous essays since news that Polanski was arrested in Switzerland broke over the weekend, each arguing vehemently against the Oscar winner’s persecution....
Shouldn't that be "prosecution"?
But HuffPo readers aren’t buying it. And boy, are they angry....Here are just a few comments:

“Nope, it’s not a 'conspiracy.' Child rape is a crime and Polanski should serve his time- he should have served it long ago instead of trying to pay off his victim”

“I am an California attorney, a confirmed Democrat-liberal and admirer of Mr. Polanski’s talents and those of many who have naively signed this petition … Mr. Polanski did what he did and no amount of spin or the passage of time can change that. He drugged and raped a child. What don’t you understand about that? Is it O.K. to do that to your daughters? … Shame on you, all of you. You should (and probably do) know better.

“Let’s see these artists sign their names to a petition to excuse the drugging of and forced sex with a 13 year old. Let’s put it bluntly.”

Could this be the work of conservative “trolls” trying to sway opinion on the site? Possible, but highly doubtful. My best guess is that some issues go beyond ideology, like sticking up for a 13-year-old girl cruelly attacked by a much older man. Thank goodness for that.
Posted by: Mike || 09/30/2009 07:45 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Everyone's equal, but some are evidently MUCH more equal.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 09/30/2009 8:20 Comments || Top||

#2  this is a split between the 'creative community' left and the 'feminist community' left

their is a similar divide in France on this issue with the elite being against prosecution and others being for
Posted by: lord garth || 09/30/2009 9:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Polanski is 70-something? Watch the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences to award him a lifetime achievement Oscar in the very near future.
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 9:30 Comments || Top||

#4  And an Oscar for best Child P0rn producer?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 09/30/2009 9:51 Comments || Top||

#5  some are really really equal, look at OJ, murder is worse than rape. With one you get a new life , with the other you lose a life. Rape wasnt a crime 50 years ago. Nor has it been throughout human history.
Posted by: 746 || 09/30/2009 10:17 Comments || Top||

#6  746 must be REALLY well educated to claim rape was not a crime 50 years ago. /s
Posted by: tipover || 09/30/2009 11:10 Comments || Top||

#7  He's left troll dropping elsewhere. 50 years ago rape was a capital offense that garnered a death penalty.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/30/2009 11:19 Comments || Top||

#8  Not only rape, not only child rape, but chickenshit child rape.

And judging by the people and groups who are taking pederasski's side perhaps whoopi is right and a cultural thing, which includes her. Completely indefensable by anyone with a head on their shoulders or a daughter in their heart.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 09/30/2009 11:50 Comments || Top||

#9  746: Rape wasnt a crime 50 years ago. Nor has it been throughout human history.

Really? Got a link for that one? And evidence that people have been upset by rapes has existed since about when history began to be recorded.

What are you trying to say here? That it's not so bad to create new life via rape? Sure you get a new life, but in most societies it comes at a cost of harm to the social order that more than offsets the gain, and the child may well end up unwanted. Many cultures use rape to destroy a society. Look at Africa and what happened in Bosnia.

And if it's so OK, why not volunteer your daughter to get raped by someone who might or might not have some unknown disease for her to contract. Then come back and defend your post here.

There's a reason it's called Huffington Post.
Posted by: gorb || 09/30/2009 11:54 Comments || Top||

#10  Whoopi has a 13 year old granddaughter. The irony of that would be wasted on her, though.

Hundreds have signed the petition in favor of Polanperv's release. I expect this time next year they'll be claiming they 'didn't know what they were signing'.
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 || 09/30/2009 12:06 Comments || Top||

#11  if some pedo diddled my daughter the last thing they would need to worry about is jail...
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 09/30/2009 12:14 Comments || Top||

#12  Whoopi... I know you are a card-carrying liberal and everything but I thought you had more sense (and oddly enough, class) than that. Clearly I was mistaken.

It's truly amazing the way these people can rationalize the perverted behavior of a sexual predator this way. You really need to have a screw or few loose to do that. Then again, we are talking about HuffPo here. At least some of them haven't lost all concept of decency, justice and reality. And I stress the word, "some" here.

I mean, what would Ed Lover say?

"C'mon, son!"
Posted by: eltoroverde || 09/30/2009 12:34 Comments || Top||

#13  When you add 7 and 4 and 6 together as in 746 you get 17.

Does that represent the troll's age or his I.Q. ?

Just asking, is all.
Posted by: Canuckistan sniper || 09/30/2009 12:46 Comments || Top||

#14  I think this could be a defining moment. There are many well wishing people whose concept about how to go about it is, well, different than those on this site. Consider this, the call to polanski's defence, an admitted guilty rapist who fled the country to escape just prosecution, by so many big names is simply an example of the "Good ol Boy" system. Visitor, for a minute, stop vigerously mixing paint for those who see themselves as your representatives, and step back from their painting and see if you like what they are portraying. They are attempting to be above the law, pure and simple, because they see themselves as exclusive from the rest of society. Do you really think that if you did half the acts these self-described betters perform that some celebrity is going to leave Snob-on-Perch and come to your rescue? You are not their pawns, its worse than that. You are the servents who bring their drinks while they advertise you and your ideas according to themselves. You can learn to talk like them, walk like them, act like them. Well hear this sound - and it transcends this microcosmic event. Do you really feel good about a message represented by pederasses, theives, or just plain liars looking for face time? Not saying to switch to the dark side or other crap cliche nonsense, just take a second and consider yourself and how you are being painted.

And if you tow this or any other line I can only hope that when it snaps, the recoil of the rope hits you as square as Gandolf's staff.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 09/30/2009 12:50 Comments || Top||

#15  746, please go "seagull" somewhere else that is kiddie-rape friendly, ok?

seagull...meaning to fly into a thread, crap all over it and then take off to parts unknown...
Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie || 09/30/2009 13:17 Comments || Top||

#16  746 writes:

some are really really equal, look at OJ, murder is worse than rape. With one you get a new life , with the other you lose a life.

Do you work for the Ministry of the Obvious? Of course murder is worse than rape. That's why the law punishes the former more severely than the latter. The law also recognizes that the rape of a child is a horrible crime, which is why the punishments for doing so are substantial.

Rape wasnt a crime 50 years ago. Nor has it been throughout human history.

Rape has always been a crime under English common law. It has always been a crime (unevenly enforced) in the U.S. If you wish to discuss antiquity, that's on you.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/30/2009 13:23 Comments || Top||

#17  It was a capital crime under Roman law, too, despite what happened to the Sabine ladies.

Rape of a maiden was punishable by drowning under the Code of Hammurabi. Under Hittite law, the penalty for raping a woman away from her home was death, though if she was raped at home it was considered her own fault and she was punished as an adultress.

I believe the Laws of Manu, which India followed for 1500 years or so, also provided the death penalty for rape of a free woman, with lesser penalties for violation of slaves. There were dozens of exceptions based on caste, as well...
Posted by: Fred || 09/30/2009 13:37 Comments || Top||

#18  746 may have a point here, 50 years ago when a child was raped the community found a tall tree and a short rope. Then they dealt with it, no need for jails, laws or judges. (Sarcasm off) 746 needs to get his facts straight or STFU.

All the trolling does is divert the conversation. That sick POS raped a child, plain and simple. The fact she has gracefully moved on with her life and holds no ill will to him is a testament to her strong character but it has no bearing on this case. There should never be a "Deal" with a city or state on this type of crime. I look at my 13 year old and the girls he brings over and to think he invited that girl to a hot tub, got her drunk, drugged and raped her sickens me to no end.

Even the extreme left that read the Huffington post see this as rape!
Posted by: 49 Pan || 09/30/2009 14:03 Comments || Top||

#19  Bubba cant wait to meet him and share time ... and special cinematic moments

The bastard
Posted by: Oscar || 09/30/2009 14:36 Comments || Top||

#20  Fred: I think you mean "free woman", as Roman slaves did not enjoy this protection.
Posted by: mojo || 09/30/2009 14:47 Comments || Top||

#21  [anonymous has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: anonymous || 09/30/2009 17:20 Comments || Top||

#22  I have culled a few names from lists on the subject. These folks have all signed a petition in support of Polansky:

Woody Allen
Wes Anderson
Jonatham Demme
Stephen Frears
David Lynch
Martin Scorsese
Steven Soderbergh
Harrison Ford
Jeremy Irons
Neil Jordan
Mike Nichols
Natalie Portman
Kristin Scott Thomas
Ethan Coen
Penelope Cruz
Buck Henry
Terry Gilliam
John Landis
Michael Mann
Brett Ratner

Makes me sad to see some that have brought such entertainment to people side with a pedophile rapist.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 09/30/2009 17:22 Comments || Top||

#23  Thanks for the list. Now I know who to boycott.
Posted by: DarthVader || 09/30/2009 19:23 Comments || Top||

#24  John Landis was responsible for the deaths of Vic Morrow, Myca Dinh Le, and Renee Shin-Yi Chen while filming Twilight Zone. I understand why Landis cares little for something as prosaic as rape.

I don't believe I just wrote that sentence. Now, where did I put my sedatives?
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 09/30/2009 21:07 Comments || Top||

#25  A typical HUFFington Post reader:
Posted by: DMFD || 09/30/2009 21:35 Comments || Top||

#26  "Woody Allen"

Figures. >:-(
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/30/2009 23:07 Comments || Top||


Appeals court dismisses Dan Rather's suit vs. CBS
A New York state appeals court on Tuesday dismissed former TV newsman Dan Rather's lawsuit against CBS Corp in which Rather claimed he was made a scapegoat in a scandal over a 2004 report on then-President George W. Bush's military record.

The ruling on Tuesday by a panel of judges of the New York State Supreme Court Appellate Division said Rather's $70 million complaint should be dismissed in its entirety and that a lower court erred in denying CBS's motion to throw out the lawsuit.

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#1  failed to sufficiently support his claim

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#2  Well, maybe he'll be better connected to reality after this.
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#3  Nelson Muntz: Ha Ha!
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