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Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
The price of non-intervention. What can a video teach about how a grandfather caught a robber?
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Sofia Kapanina

[REGNUM] We miss good news. This was exactly what my first thought was after the day when the news about a man who helped detain a robber who stole a child’s phone spread across Telegram channels and the media simply with lightning speed.

Although, it would seem... just a boy, just a man who helped a child on the street. But this emotion of absolutely crystalline, pure kindness is what we all lacked.

Among the flow of other news, this kind man with his immediate sincerity is like a breath of fresh air. Such a reminder to all of us that kindness is okay. Helping the weak is natural. And good things are rewarded. We were shown a good fairy tale that happened in reality.

And every fairy tale has a moral. And this role is played by another hero of this video.

You know, I saw this news almost immediately. But at first I watched this video without sound. Therefore, looking at a man who, casting a quick glance at a child and two struggling people, quickens his pace - I thought that this was partly indifference, partly this culture of “new ethics” - do not interfere unless you are asked, do not be intrusive, do not go ahead, don't interfere.

And then I watched the video with sound. And then again. And further. And every time the way this child screamed, tears came out of my eyes absolutely involuntarily. He calls so desperately: “Help!”, he is so frightened and cries so bitterly that it seems to me that you could only pass by if you had no heart at all. And it's not about a stolen phone.

A normal person cannot calmly walk past a child who is asking for help so badly.

And I looked at the video in more detail - the woman and the man who ran up to help - after all, they were running from almost the other street. This woman - she heard the cry of a child, she didn’t even see him, she runs out from around the corner, and all this time she’s been running. She was far away! But she ran and took the phone from the robber and gave it to the boy. A man rushes to help his grandfather, who is holding a robber...

And only one, looking around furtively, passes by.

In fairy tales, sometimes there is a hero who does not help the weak, because it seems easier, simpler, more profitable to him. In our reality, it’s “let them figure it out themselves!” That same new ethics taught us delicacy for so long that somehow imperceptibly this delicacy turned into indifference.

But a fairy tale is just a fairy tale, because, unlike life in it, such a hero must eventually noticeably lose something.

Surely our shy character did not think that he would end up on camera. And I certainly had no idea how popular this video would become. And so he did not show his best side in front of millions of fellow citizens, among whom were probably his acquaintances and even relatives. He appeared cowardly and soulless.

Imagine for a second that he has a son of the same age? And this son saw his dad calmly passing by. And his son’s friends saw him. And friends' parents...

Did he feel ashamed? Does he have an explanation for his son? In a fairy tale he would definitely feel ashamed, but in life I’m not sure, although I hope.

Well, at least now he knows exactly how disgusting this “my house is on the edge” looks from the outside.

I really want to speak in a language they understand to those who would also pass by.

If (God forbid) you find yourself in such a situation, it may seem to you that the best thing to do is to “keep a low profile” and pretend that nothing unusual is happening. But remember: you may be filmed by a camera. In the old ethics we had a conscience for this. And in the new reality - at least cameras.

Do not pass by, at least so that others do not think that you are an indifferent coward. Reality with the “House-2” effect - now someone is always looking at you.

And so that later you won’t be ashamed in front of your friends, relatives and your own son.

Well, the main element of a fairy tale, of course, is that the positive hero in it is rewarded. In our fairy tale, the brave grandfather was given a certificate for a car by the evening, and the next day he was given a TV. In life, goodness is not always so quickly and tangibly rewarded. But it is not done for reward.

Posted by: badanov || 10/29/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under:


China-Japan-Koreas
Newsom and Xi Throw a Communist Party
[Hot Air] The two leaders reportedly swapped nostalgic stories about the Golden State among their discussions of climate change, trade, and communist camaraderie. (That last point is an inference of the author.) According to the official summary of their meeting, Xi "happily recalled his visit to California," possibly referring to a summit with President Barack Obama at the Sunnylands estate in Rancho Mirage in 2013.

In a statement after the meeting, Newsom said that he had "made it clear to Chinese leaders that California will remain a stable, strong and reliable partner, particularly on low-carbon green growth."

"Divorce is not an option," the governor said. "The only way we can solve our climate crisis is to continue our long-standing cooperation with China. As two of the world’s largest economies, the work we do together is felt in countless communities on both sides of the Pacific."
Never mind that communist China is the world's leading producer of greenhouse gases, most of it coming from over a thousand very dirty coal burning power plants. Never mind that all that coal is burned to power factories that produce goods that Americans, including Californians, used to produce. Never mind that the diesel powered freighter ships that unload that cargo at San Pedro are the leading cause of smog in the Los Angeles basin. You could say that China's growth at the expense of American jobs has been with high-carbon brown energy and they have no plans to change. Democrats are very, very good at overlooking pertinent little details like that. Gotta wonder what Newsom gets out of this little meeting with Xi. Must be good.
James Gallagher, the leader of the Republican caucus in the California state assembly, described Newsom’s visit as "the make-believe president tour." Newsom’s visit does smell like the parade of a national dignitary rather than that of a governor of a U.S. state.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/29/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under: Commies

#1  Gotta wonder what Newsom gets out of this little meeting with Xi. Must be good.

He's getting advice on how to rule over California.
Posted by: Captain Splat8849 || 10/29/2023 0:12 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/29/2023 6:32 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
The World is Freaking Out Because Its Favorite Victims Suddenly Became Human Butchers
[JewishJournal] What do you do when a cause you deeply cherish betrays you?

What do you do when you spend a lifetime fighting for the Palestinian cause, and then, overnight, it becomes associated with the butchering, beheading, raping and mutilating of 1400 people, including infants, babies, women, rave dancers, families and the elderly?

How do you spin that?

You might try to deny and downplay, but with all the graphic and gruesome videos out there, that’s not easy. And as much as you’d love to erase the word Palestinian next to the word Hamas, you know the connection is a fact.

No, the only real option is to make so much noise that you drown out the horrible news about the mass murder of Jews.

That’s why immediately after October 7, we saw global protests against Israel and in support of Palestinians. This was before Israel launched its counterattacks. And naturally, when Israel did go after Hamas, the attacks against Jews have only accelerated. On streets around the world and across college campuses, Jew haters are now out in full force. The slaughtering of 1400 Jews is all but forgotten; now it’s all about Israel’s reaction to the massacres.

Whether it’s the media jumping to (falsely) blame Israel for the bombing of a Gaza hospital, or the global cries for a "ceasefire" before Israel has even entered Gaza to eliminate the terrorists and deter future attacks, the world is doing all it can to downplay the narrative of "Palestinians as butchers."

The world’s most popular victims, after all, cannot be allowed to be butchers.

For half a century, Palestinians have managed to charm the global elite with the seductive narrative of glorious, helpless victimhood. In a world that worships the oppressed, especially when they’re not white or western, Palestinians became the forever oppressed.

The influential Palestinian scholar-activist Edward Said’s 1978 book, "Orientalism," which portrayed the West’s view of the East as demeaning and ignorant, helped shape and popularize the Palestinian narrative. As a revisionist movement began to associate the West strictly with the sins of colonialism, imperialism, racism and capitalist abuse, Palestinians became the Swiss army knife of causes for the virtue signaling set. Accurate or not, they had it all.

Amazingly, Palestinians have managed to hold on to their elite victim status despite decades of terror attacks against Israel. No matter how many Jews they killed, victimhood has defined them. You could have millions of genocide victims somewhere in Africa, or millions of oppressed slaves in China, or millions of refugees in Syria— no group of victims has been able to dislodge the Palestinians from the top of the victim food chain.
Because NOBODY is actually pro-Palestinian, they're all anti-Semites. And they have some, well trained, household Jews to obscure this fact.
Of course, the Palestinians have always had an ace in the hole: the Jews. As long as their enemy was Jewish, Palestinians knew they would continue to have the world’s undivided attention. Have you noticed that we rarely hear about those millions of other Palestinians who live in much worse conditions in Jordan and Lebanon? Why should we? There are no Jews involved.

The world’s oldest hatred, in short, has fueled the remarkable run of the world’s most coddled victims.

...Suddenly, for one gruesome day, Jews were the oppressed and Palestinians were the oppressors. This was no garden variety Palestinian attack where a few Jews get killed, or a few hundred Hamas rockets are neutralized by Iron Dome and bomb shelters. We’ve gotten used to those. No, this was the mass slaughter of Jews by Palestinians in the most barbaric way possible. This was evil in concentrated form.

...Indeed, October 7 was so horrific it threatened to ambush the Palestinian cause itself. These activists are not stupid. They’ve seen the videos. They know what happened. Because the savagery was done in the name of Palestinians, they saw the danger that their cherished cause could be forever contaminated.

So what did they do to save the world’s most popular victims? They did what people have done for centuries: They changed the subject and blamed the Jews. That always works.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/29/2023 01:09 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

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Posted by: Otto Gurly-Brown9938 || 10/29/2023 7:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Lots of clarity coming out of the current festivities. I loves me some sunshine.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 10/29/2023 9:58 Comments || Top||

#3  They are who we thought they are.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/29/2023 11:18 Comments || Top||

#4  They ain't pro-Palestinians, they are JEW HATERS.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/29/2023 11:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Lots of clarity coming out of the current festivities. I loves me some sunshine.

It will have to do til branding and notches in ears come back in vogue.

Hell, the people on the receiving end might even like it.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/29/2023 12:09 Comments || Top||

#6  More Than 300 Pro-Hamas Morons Arrested at Grand Central

Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/29/2023 15:50 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Biden's Hamas conundrum
(JNS) Since Oct. 7, American Jews have seen their civil rights trampled every day. Jewish students are subjected to constant intimidation, assault, battery and threats from Hamas supporters on campus. From coast to coast, the stories are depressingly similar. University authorities refuse to protect them from their pro-Jewish genocide peers.

Then, too, on Thursday, the New York Police Department told the Jews of Brooklyn to stay off the streets on Shabbat afternoon. Pro-Hamas will be demonstrating, and the police said that they will be unable to protect Jewish residents as the terror supporters march through their neighborhoods.

How is this happening? How is it that at a time of maximum peril, law-enforcement bodies are doing all but nothing to defend the Jewish community? Why is the FBI not arresting terror supporters as required under U.S. law? Why is the U.S. Justice Department not directing local authorities to defend the Jews?

A good place to begin to look for answers is the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division. That powerful division is led by Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke.

Clarke’s appointment in 2021 caused an uproar in Jewish circles because she has a record of anti-Semitic activism and was an ardent supporter of the pro-Hamas, anti-Jewish Black Lives Matter movement.

In 1994, as the head of the Black Students Association at Harvard Law School, Clarke invited Wellesley College Professor Tony Martin to speak at Harvard. Martin had just written a Protocols of the Elders of Zion-style anti-Semitic book called The Jewish Onslaught.

Clarke defiantly defended Martin at the time and attacked the Jewish students who expressed concern about her move. She never apologized for her actions. Instead, ahead of her Senate confirmation, she told progressive, anti-Israel Jewish reporters and activists that she "regretted" the invitation. That was enough for them to declare that the allegation that Clarke remains hostile towards Jews is slander.

U.S. President Joe Biden has a problem. He staffed his administration at all levels and across departments with hardened ideologues, many of whom have records of hostility towards Jews and support for Hamas, Iran, and other terror groups and regimes. Under Biden, these officials have advanced his Middle East policies that until Oct. 7 were largely aligned with the interests of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis.

Now that those policies have been shown to be counterproductive, and at least partly responsible for the threats America now faces to its core Middle Eastern interests, the same officials remain in their positions and continue to direct the Biden administration’s policies.

Consider the Palestinians.

U.S. policy towards the Palestinian Arabs is directed by the U.S. Special Representative to the Palestinians, Hady Amr. Amr is a longtime supporter of Hamas. In 2018, at the Qatar-based offices of the Brookings Institute, Amr was the lead author of a Brookings policy paper titled, "Ending Gaza’s Perpetual Crisis—A New U.S. Approach."

Amr’s basic recommendations were to change terror financing laws to permit U.S. contractors to work with Hamas, as well as to use any new round of war between Israel and Hamas to launch a new three-pronged policy towards Israel and Hamas.

Amr’s plan accepted Hamas as a legitimate actor. It called for the Palestinian Authority to unite with Hamas and reorganize under Hamas’s leadership in light of Hamas’s stronger support among Palestinians. Finally, it called for the United States to coerce Israel into making unreciprocated concessions to Hamas and the P.A., even though Amr acknowledged that the concessions would endanger Israel. Among other things, he called for Israel to end its maritime blockage of the Gaza coast and permit Hamas free access to the sea.

As the architect of Biden’s Palestinian policies, Amr’s Brookings paper was a blueprint for many of the policies adopted by the administration, including its willingness to fund Hamas indirectly through the P.A. and U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA), the U.N. agency operating in Gaza. Some 90% of UNRWA employees are Hamas members.

Amr remains in his position.

The ongoing Iran problem

Biden appointed Iran apologist Robert Malley to lead the administration’s Iran policy. Malley’s policy was so pro-Iranian that several career U.S. State Department officials—not known for their hostility to Tehran—resigned in protest.

...And to repay the administration for its appeasement, Abdollahian used his speech to threaten the United States with war if it continues to support Israel. Since Oct, 7, and as the administration clings stubbornly to Malley’s pro-Iran policies, Iranian proxies in Syria, Yemen and Iraq have repeatedly attacked U.S. forces in the region.

The Pentagon’s continued refusal to fully acknowledge Iran’s direction of Hamas’s acts of genocide is further indication that Malley’s policy remains Biden’s Iran policy.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/29/2023 02:54 || Comments || Link || [17 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  US asking Israel 'hard questions' on Gaza military assault

Q. But, but, but, what do we do about the mass protests?

A. Look at public opinion pools.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/29/2023 11:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Yes, Jews, we really do hate you. But please keep on sending us your money and keep on voting for us.

/sarc if needed.
Posted by: Tom || 10/29/2023 14:39 Comments || Top||


The Day the Delusions Died by Konstantin Kisin
It's not about Gaza, but about immigration



A lot of people woke up on October 7 as progressives and went to bed that night feeling like conservatives. What changed?

About TRIGGERnometry:

Stand-up comedians Konstantin Kisin (@konstantinkisin) and Francis Foster (@francisjfoster) make sense of politics, economics, free speech, AI, drug policy and WW3 with the help of presidential advisors, renowned economists, award-winning journalists, controversial writers, leading scientists and notorious comedians.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/29/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Unbelievably Massive Pro-Hamas Protest in London Spells Doom for Europe
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/29/2023 2:46 Comments || Top||

#2  The day delusions died.
Posted by: Dale || 10/29/2023 12:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Good old Bob Dylan.
Posted by: Dale || 10/29/2023 12:18 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Indian Perspective on US Ultimatum to Iran
In which retired Indian diplomat M. K. Bhadrakumar shows that he understands the plays of Tennessee Williams considerably better than he does President Biden. Not that he is alone in this, because any approach that does not start with the American president’s growing senility and astounding cupidity will be woefully incomplete. His opening pitch:
[IndianPunchline] The US President Joe Biden is convinced that one of the reasons why Hamas launched the attack on Israel was because of the announcement during the G20 Summit in New Delhi on the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor . But he also admitted that this reading was based purely on his instinct and he did not have any proof for it.

Biden’s motivation in saying so lies in the US’ desperate need to reclaim its leadership role in the Muslim Middle East. The two most compelling realities rejecting the American leadership are: one, a strong united regional solidarity cutting across sectarian divides to seek a settlement on Palestine, like at no time before, and, two, the Saudi-Iranian rapprochement.
Posted by: Slenter Panda4300 || 10/29/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  I'd say a third compelling reality is the obvious incompetence and fantasy world-dwelling of the Biden administration. If I were India--or any other nation--I would wonder what everyone in Washington was smoking and would chart my own course completely independent of anything in Washington.
Posted by: Tom || 10/29/2023 14:40 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
'Fear of bankruptcy.' The US is not ready for war with Iran
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Gevorg Mirzayan

[REGNUM] On the evening of October 27, a sharp escalation of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict occurred in the Gaza Strip. The world's media is full of photographs of powerful explosions and evidence that the most intense shelling of Palestinian territory since the beginning of the month is currently taking place.

Israel calls what is happening an “expansion of the operation,” the spokesman for the Defense Forces (IDF) avoids the definition of “ground invasion,” but, according to many observers, this is exactly what it looks like. The scale and intensity of the ground operation cannot be determined at the moment, since the enclave is almost completely isolated. There is no light, no electricity, no communications in Gaza.

Regardless of the events of a particular day, the Middle East is most definitely sliding into a major war. The American-Iranian war, which could begin if a ground operation begins. With intermediate stages in the form of Hezbollah’s intervention in the conflict from Lebanon, Israel’s inability to fight on two fronts, the US entry into hostilities on the side of Israel and then Iran on the side of its “daughter” Hezbollah.

It is precisely this possible scenario that explains the constant delays in the “trigger” Israeli operation in Gaza, and that is why Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian flew to Washington on October 26.

“The visit of the Iranian Foreign Minister to New York was associated with an invitation to take part in the 10th emergency session of the UN General Assembly, dedicated to the conflict in the Middle East, and specifically the situation in East Jerusalem. But the Iranian minister took advantage of this opportunity to send a warning to Washington and draw red lines,” explains international political scientist and RIAC expert Elena Suponina to Regnum .

Yes, relations between the United States and Iran are extremely difficult. “They are fierce enemies and will remain so for the foreseeable future. However, at the same time, they are indirectly negotiating with each other - through intermediaries and exchanging signals - about preventing a major American-Iranian war in the Middle East,” explains Dmitry Suslov , deputy director of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies at the Higher School of Economics, to IA Regnum. Simply because neither the Americans nor the Iranians need this war.

Yes, the United States needs some escalation. It is possible to justify the failure of one’s policy in the Middle East recently and to prevent the consolidation of the Muslim world on an anti-Israeli and anti-American basis (which is now happening) only by pedaling the escalation with Iran. This is what the Biden administration is doing now, says Dmitry Suslov.

That is why a number of American officials say that Iran was behind the October 7 attack. Thus, they make it clear that this attack was the result of Iranian ill will, and not the unresolved Palestinian issue. “Yes, there is no evidence (so as not to create political pressure within ourselves in favor of a war with Iran), but it is constantly asserted that the main problem in the Middle East is Iran,” says the expert.

However, at the same time, the Americans are not ready for a full-fledged war with Iran. And not only because Iran has one of the most powerful armies in the region. And not only because, in the event of an attack, it could cause unacceptable damage to the Americans by reaching US bases and aircraft carrier groups with missiles.

“A major war with Iran crosses out not only the Middle East, but also the global strategy of the United States and the policies that Biden pursued after coming to power. This refers to the desire to “reduce” American policy in the Middle East and build an architecture there that would allow the United States to devote less time and attention to the region, transferring forces to more strategic directions.

And if the United States gets involved in a new big war in the Middle East, which will require more resources than Iraq and Afghanistan, then this will bankrupt its entire policy in other areas. Therefore, I don’t think that the United States will be drawn into such a war ,” sums up Dmitry Suslov.

As for the Iranians, they don’t need war, even less so. They may inflict unacceptable damage on the Americans, but they themselves will suffer the same. Damage to the economy, damage to industrial potential. Moreover, now the Iranians have only just found diplomatic options for solving all their problems with their opponents. A dialogue is being established with the Turks, normalization of relations is beginning with Saudi Arabia, and even successful negotiations were held with the Americans.

“In the last few months, these secret negotiations even resulted in public agreements, within the framework of which American citizens who were there were released from Iranian prisons, and in return, the Iranians began to receive material resources in the form of unfrozen payments that were intended for them for energy supplies,” explains Elena Suponina.

However, the problem is that a major war could start even without Iran's desire. And even without an Israeli ground operation. The fact is that in recent days, American bases in the Middle East have been subjected to missile attacks from, for example, the Yemeni Houthis or Iraqi militias. And both of them are considered Iranian proxies.

And there are two versions of what happened here. The first is that the actions of Iranian proxies are a demonstration of Iranian muscles. Attacks on American bases are brinksmanship, a show of force and a form of deterrence. The US is containing Iran, building up American power in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf and saying that if Hezbollah opens a second front against Israel, the US will deal a crushing blow to it.

In response, pro-Iranian forces are showing that the US itself and its facilities in the region may be vulnerable. And that if Washington deals a crushing blow to Hezbollah, then pro-Iranian forces can and most likely will deal a big blow to American bases and military facilities in the Middle East, Dmitry Suslov believes.

In the second version, everything is much more complicated. The Americans claim that Iran fully controls its proxy structures, financially or ideologically connected with it. However, these are often small groups that are able to act independently.

And any incident can lead to a negative scenario, Elena Suponina believes: “The longer the conflict in the Palestine region continues, the greater the risk will be that Iranian groups in various countries of the region (Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, etc.) will be drawn deeper and deeper into this conflict. American facilities in the region are in their sights . ”

And if the first version is correct, then the conflict is manageable - US retaliatory strikes on IRGC bases in Syria will be perceived by the Iranian side as flexing their muscles within the approved framework. However, if Tehran truly cannot fully control its regional proxies, then continued missile attacks could trigger a chain of escalation. A chain that will lead to a big war.

With a high degree of probability, this is the issue that Hossein Amir Abdollahian discussed in New York with his American colleagues. I tried to find some formula for de-escalation. For example, he stated that Hamas is ready to exchange more than two hundred Israeli hostages for 6 thousand Palestinians who are serving prison terms in Israel. And if the exchange takes place, this will be the first step towards building a dialogue.

Posted by: badanov || 10/29/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  Russia (let alone the rest of the world) can survive perfectly well without Iran.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/29/2023 0:23 Comments || Top||

#2  A war with Iran will never benefit Americans.

And if it doesn't, why would we ever do it?

America first.
Posted by: Otto Gurly-Brown9938 || 10/29/2023 7:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Well little one, Iran has been at war with the US since storming the embassy in 1979 and hasn't let up.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/29/2023 8:17 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
Pfizer Hid Nearly 80% of COVID Vaccine Trial Deaths From Regulators
[ChildrensHealthDefense] Will we ever actually know the real truth & reason(s)?

Why R&D and production of the mRNA vaccine started in 2019 before the world even knew of the C-19, when safe vaccine development, before production, usually takes 10+ years?

Why 100's of millions shots were amazingly ready available and being administered in less than 3 months?

Why it was forced on certain professional groups and lower raking military personnel knowing its serious issues?

Why did the DC Elite try to hide the real vaccine test data for 75 years?

Why the US, and many world administrations over-aggressively professionally attack and even imprisoned those exposing the truth of vaccine deadly problems?

Why the USA had more infections (109M) and deaths (1.1M) using Pfizer mRNA vaccine, than India (45M /533K ) which used mainly non-mRNA vaccines and treatments?

Posted by: NN2N1 || 10/29/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My wife, who reads way more newspapers than I, told me a lot of COVID in India went unreported, because of all the remote villages and - you know, third-world stuff.

Dron-- no offense intended - do you agree?
Posted by: Bobby || 10/29/2023 7:05 Comments || Top||

#2  ^ #1 Bobby
Thanks for opening my eyes to alternative data sources.

We all are after the real facts and truth.

I HAVE/HAD been using "World of Meters info" site, as my primary data source, as it used the WHO's "officially" reported data.

But after doing some addition digging, I found a number of IVY colleges (eg. Harvard Med) along with the MSM and the NIH.gov saying. That by using figures statistically based on collected percentages to adjust the data. Applying those adjustments and applying them to the India numbers. India's number would/could actually be 4x to 6x more than "officially" reported.

So data collected from accepted Official sources and multiplying it 400% India's current stated 379/Per million Death rate would/could have actually been closer to 1,516 per million.

After adjusting up 400%, the USA was 132+% higher than India. Given that the USA official current death rate is placed at 3,526 per million. Note: The USA number is widely suspected of being inflated for many various reasons.


Even after adjusting India's numbers upward 600%, thus making it 2,274/Per Million. Even at that number it makes the USA Death numbers still about 55.057% higher than India's. Either way the India infection to death ratio's would still run about the same.

We will NEVER know the Factual data.


BTW: Sorry if this is a duplication post. I waited 1/2 hr. to repost...after seeing it did not initially display.

Posted by: NN2N1 || 10/29/2023 9:22 Comments || Top||

#3  ^ Computer science has a term for such analyses. MUNG: (The data) Mushed Until No Good.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/29/2023 9:28 Comments || Top||

#4  India has the advantage of lots of sunshine, so fewer are in the high-risk low-Vitamin D group. Also, the country is a major producer of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which they handed out freely to both the ill and prophylactically to the rest of the adult population.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/29/2023 12:59 Comments || Top||

#5  ^#4
I feel Trailing Wife has likely nailed the main reason India did better.
Posted by: NN2N1 || 10/29/2023 16:42 Comments || Top||



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