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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Gay icon Freddie breaks free in Iran
BRITISH rock band Queen, fronted by outlandish gay icon Freddie Mercury, have become the first rock band to be given the official seal of approval in Iran with the release of an album of their greatest hits.

Mercury, who died of AIDS in 1991, was proud of his Iranian ancestry and supposed Zoroastrian origins. Zoroaster was a Persian prophet who lived around 600BC and founded a religion named after him.

Mercury's link with Zoroastrianism made Queen one of the most popular bands in Iran despite Western music being largely frowned upon in the Islamic republic, where homosexuality is considered a crime. "Authorities approved of the tunes that had a social theme, leaving out the love songs," an executive in the record company releasing the album said.

The album contains smash hits such as Bohemian Rhapsody, Miracle and I Want to Break Free.

Western music is strictly censored in Iran and those selling foreign music need special permits, although millions of bootleg banned CDs and cassettes are sold on the black market throughout the country. The Queen album is already selling very well.

The cassette, costing less than $US1 ($1.40), comes complete with an explanatory leaflet, which tells rock fans that Bohemian Rhapsody is about a young man who has accidentally killed someone and, like Faust, sold his soul to the devil. On the night before his execution he calls God in Arabic and so regains his soul from Satan.

Other Western acts to have had albums of selected songs released on the official Iranian market are Elton John, Julio Iglesias and Gypsy Kings. There are also books containing original and translated lyrics by many Western singers such as Leonard Cohen, Celine Dion and even white rap artist Eminem, published to respond to the ever-increasing demands of a nation where 70 per cent of the population is under 30.
Posted by: tipper || 08/24/2004 10:59:28 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


'Suffering' Prisoner Seeks Bail to Have Sex
An Indian man charged over the train torching that triggered Gujarat's Hindu-Muslim bloodshed two years ago has asked for bail so he can go home to have sex with his wife, court officials said on Tuesday.
"I mean, like, it's all swollen, y'know?"
Firozkhan Zafarkhan's two-page handwritten application to the court in the state's main city, Ahmedabad, says he and his wife are suffering mental trauma because their physical needs have not been met for such a long time. He wants to be allowed out of jail for 30 days. Zafarkhan, a Muslim, said his religion and India's conservative culture forbid him from having sex with anyone but his wife. He is charged under a tough anti-terrorism law with being part of a mob that torched a train in the Gujarat city of Godhra in February 2001, burning alive 59 Hindu pilgrims, including many women and children. That incident triggered days of communal violence, India's worst in a decade, in which human rights groups say more than 2,000 people, mainly Muslims, were burned and hacked to death. The anti-terrorism law makes bail almost impossible, but astonished prosecutors have not yet decided what to do. "It's an unprecedented bail application," said one, Sudhir Brahmbhatt." We have not decided whether to oppose this or not."
It's never come up before. They're not sure how to handle it.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 08/24/2004 1:26:02 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Here's an idea. Why don't you set your dick on fire?
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/24/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||

#2  ROFLMAO!
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#3  I think the prosecutors should tell him he should go F_ck himself...that will solve the problem neatly.

C'mon, if they let him out for this they are whacked in the head. You don't want the prison to be a hell-hole, but this crosses the border into "coddling" by several leages.
Posted by: Trub || 08/24/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#4  *ahem*
I don't want the prison to be a hell-hole?
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#5  The prisoner really blew it on this one. *ahem ahem*. If he used some buzzwords, like Humiliation™ in his brief, he would be chasing around the Old Lady as we speak.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 08/24/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe just a heck-hole, Frank.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 08/24/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||

#7  This is what you get when self-abuse is frowned upon;)
Posted by: Spot || 08/24/2004 14:48 Comments || Top||

#8  Zafarkhan, a Muslim, said his religion and India’s conservative culture forbid him from having sex with anyone but his wife.
[my emph]

It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

But, wait, does his explanation mean that his guards offered him sex with someone else?

And 30 days to meet his physical needs? My, my, what a stud.

How it felt for 59 people being burnt alive is apparently inconsequential compared to the "mental trauma" of Mr. Zafarkhan not having physical needs met.
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/24/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||

#9  What a wimp. Time to send the weather balloons out for his ass.
Posted by: 6 || 08/24/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#10  he is can get sex in prison. just not in him wife. they are shuld just tell him "you wife is been taken care of we are assure you".
Posted by: muck4doo || 08/24/2004 20:31 Comments || Top||


Man on Quest for Knife-Proof Body Bleeds to Death
A Tanzanian who went to a witch doctor in search of the power to resist bullets and knife attacks died when ritual cuts made on his body proved fatal. He was one of four suspected robbers from a village in Kasulu district in western Tanzania who visited the witch doctor on a quest for magic, the African newspaper reported Tuesday. The ritual included cutting their skin and rubbing in potions and powders. The witch doctor fled after the man died Monday from profuse bleeding, the newspaper said, adding that the three survivors were arrested when they went to a hospital.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 08/24/2004 1:23:44 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Shit, that didn't work.
Next!!!
Posted by: W. Doctor || 08/24/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#2  obviously a graduate of a diploma-mill school for witch doctors
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#3  maybe John Edwards will take his case?
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#4  goddamit! ima have to go cancel em chek!
Posted by: muck4doo || 08/24/2004 19:26 Comments || Top||


BBC: 'Russian roulette' Olympics death
"A Greek policeman is being questioned after a soldier providing Olympic security was shot dead, apparently after playing Russian roulette."
I suppose it is good that they are bored. Still . . .
Posted by: James || 08/24/2004 12:38:00 AM || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:


'Russian roulette' Olympics death
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 08/24/2004 04:16 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Why doesn't this make me feel the olympics are "secure?"
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 08/24/2004 4:18 Comments || Top||

#2  2 words: Darwin Award.
Posted by: .com || 08/24/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Unlike some other halfwits, at least these morons were using a revolver instead of a semi-auto.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/24/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||

#4  .com, one word: Precisely!
Posted by: Zarathustra || 08/24/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||

#5  It quoted a written police statement saying the two men had been "jokingly" pointing the weapon at each other when it went off.

The punch line was a kicker.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/25/2004 0:55 Comments || Top||


[hey! lookit me! I'm an illiterate dimbulb!]
Trolls: If you've got nothing to do, don't do it here.
Posted by: CUBA LIBRE || 08/24/2004 02:24 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Damn infestation. Do they multiply overnight or sumthin'?

Cleanup!!!! Pest control!!!!
Posted by: Zarathustra || 08/24/2004 3:00 Comments || Top||

#2  No Z it's just the same little kid stopping by everynight after they are done at their job washing dishes.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 08/24/2004 3:08 Comments || Top||

#3  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: SHARON HUNTER KILLER TROLL || 08/24/2004 3:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Another irony, among many tonight: the mighty Fidel would be swinging from a Havana lamppost, and his men would be pig fodder, if it weren't for the protection they get from American traitors in Hollywood and the media.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/24/2004 3:30 Comments || Top||

#5  I must say, this is one of the wittiest and most literate Islamo-trolls we've had here in some time.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/24/2004 3:39 Comments || Top||

#6  The Foreign Ministry statement characterized the $50,000 offer as "ridiculous and humiliating charity."

It also took issue with the U.S. government's insistence that the money not be given to Castro's government but be distributed by the U.S. Interests Section in Havana to independent, non-governmental organizations.


Sounds sensible to me. I'm all for using reliable NGO's like the American Red Cross rather than having Fidel toss my money into the general fund for formenting revolution in Latin America.

Kudo's to the State Department.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 3:43 Comments || Top||

#7  You know, of course, that Bush intends to donate Castro's head to the Skull and Bones Club at Yale.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/24/2004 4:11 Comments || Top||

#8  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Anonymous6158 TROLL || 08/24/2004 4:15 Comments || Top||

#9  I don't doubt that Castro is also a rapist and a whoremonger like his Eurabian allies.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/24/2004 4:23 Comments || Top||

#10  That OK I have been getting it on with Cuban women with my AIDS. It's germ warfare against the commie Cubans. They get my dollars and AIDS. But I got my AIDS from one of those Cuban women anyway. We all know they are all whoring for money. Your mom wasn't very good. Just like you.

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Posted by: Trolling for Allan || 08/24/2004 4:24 Comments || Top||

#11  How interesting that this Euro-Islamo troll thinks Castro is screwing vacation teens. I have no doubt he is, but since only Euro and Canuckistan teen poontang is allowed to go to Cuba, our Euro friend should be checking for the whereabouts of his girlfriend (or boyfriend if he is also of the knob gobblin', butts in the air five times a day Islamo variety).
Posted by: ed || 08/24/2004 6:59 Comments || Top||

#12  Sounds like you touched a nerve,AC.
What a vile little man you are,Sugar boy(CL)!
Posted by: raptor || 08/24/2004 7:45 Comments || Top||

#13  Think I'll whip me up a Libre (lie) right now... where's me rum...
Posted by: Monolito Montoya || 08/24/2004 15:51 Comments || Top||

#14  Castro have allready screw countlesses of spring break teens of your in many night clubs in havana in exchange of few chip vasos the rum
Posted by: Anonymous6158 || 08/24/2004 4:15 Comments || Top||

#15  YUP YOU ARE RIGHT, AFTER THE DISHES IS YOUR TURN .....TO BE WASHED
Posted by: SHARON HUNTER KILLER || 08/24/2004 3:23 Comments || Top||


AL QAEDA TO DEPLOY "GAY BOMB"!
Before there was The Onion.....
Before there was Scrappleface.....
There was the most respected name in major media: Weekly World News!


AL QAEDA PLANS TO DROP GAY BOMBS!!
Men within 30 miles of the blast will instantly turn queer!
By Nick Jefferies
EXTREMIST Muslim scientists are developing a bomb that turns anyone within a 30-mile radius of its blast into a homosexual, say U.S. Intelligence insiders. It's all a part of the Al Qaeda master plan to pull our country apart and kill the patriotism that makes us strong. " They believe that making more Americans gay will start civil war between gays and ultraconservatives," says one highly placed intelligence officer. "They also figure it will lead to a decrease in the U.S. population."

The Gay Bomb was already in the planning stages when Osama Bin Laden and close, intimate friend Muhammad Atef founded the international terrorist group Al Qaeda in 1989. "Atef and Bin Laden spent many late nights together during that time of revolution," reveals an ex-Al Qaeda member, who prefers to remain anonymous for fear of retribution. "One morning, I entered their living quarters and they had worked so hard the night before they had fallen into bed together, suffering from exhaustion.

"That's when I saw the blueprints for the bomb. I asked about it, but Bin Laden said to leave it to the scientists. He and Atef had accidentally set one off the night before."
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/24/2004 12:19:37 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Don't worry - we'll send in Bat Boy to get them first. After all, according to the Weekly World News, he caught Saddam for us!
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/24/2004 0:41 Comments || Top||

#2  One of those other highlights:

ALIENS CLAIM JACKO IS THEIR SON

Why, that makes perfectly sense to me!
Posted by: True German Ally || 08/24/2004 0:52 Comments || Top||

#3  TGA:
Your new assignment, should you decide to accept it, is to fact-check this one for us.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/24/2004 1:09 Comments || Top||

#4  That does it. My great, great grandmother and my wife's grand mother were from germany were moving back there to be near that river of beer.


I know it's true because I read it in the Weekly World News.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 08/24/2004 1:16 Comments || Top||

#5  From AC's link:

A PREVIOUSLY undiscovered natural river of beer has been found deep in Germany's Black Forest.

And while you're doing that, you might check whether there is a natural stand of Black Forest Cakes anywhere nearby.

Mmmm...cake...
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 08/24/2004 1:28 Comments || Top||

#6  Roman: Cake or Death?
Angie: Cake, please.
Roman: I hope they find that grove soon...
Posted by: .com || 08/24/2004 1:39 Comments || Top||

#7  Of course this is true!

(This message was brought to you by the German Tourist Office)

PS: Don't expect us to stage a road accident with a beer truck every day!
Posted by: True German Ally || 08/24/2004 1:41 Comments || Top||

#8  With that type of weapon out there, I hope that we don't have a mine shaft gap.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 2:02 Comments || Top||

#9  Further conversations with wild-eyed strangers:

(puzzled look)
Well...what does it do to women?

"It turns them queer too!"

(even more puzzled look)
(mutters) I thought they already were...




Thanks. I'll be here all week...
Posted by: mojo || 08/24/2004 2:14 Comments || Top||

#10  For the love of heaven . . . they've weaponized Queer Eye for the Straight Guy!
Posted by: Mike || 08/24/2004 6:52 Comments || Top||

#11  EXTREMIST Muslim scientists are developing a bomb that turns anyone within a 30-mile radius of its blast into a homosexual

They've had that for 1400 years. It's called a Mosque.
Posted by: ed || 08/24/2004 7:01 Comments || Top||

#12  Don't that just bugger all. (Pun intended.)
Posted by: Mike || 08/24/2004 8:04 Comments || Top||

#13  They've been unable to keep up with the arms race, the space race, and the peace race. Their people want refrigerators and nylon stockings. They couldn't allow a doomsday gap. They read that we were developing one. Their source was the New York Times. Apologies to Stanley Kubrick.
Posted by: DLS || 08/24/2004 8:05 Comments || Top||

#14  It's already happened - I just found out I'm a lesbian.....deep inside...kinda
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 8:23 Comments || Top||

#15  Frank G. Me too. I love women. Maybe we can bring back the Eskimo family that the rovers found living on Mars. Maybe they can help.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/24/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: Rantburg TROLL || 08/24/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#22  #11 ed: Ouch! Too true.

#16-21 troll: Give it up, asshole. If you're bored, go play on the railroad bridge.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/24/2004 14:08 Comments || Top||

#23  Wasn't this the plot of a Maxwell Smart made-for-TV movie?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#24  I hear they tested it in an Italian slum.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/24/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#25  R.C. Wasn't that called The Nude Bomb?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 08/24/2004 14:44 Comments || Top||

#26  We're being threatened by the fabulous mauve bomb? I do hope proper invitations have been sent. A decent production is the key to success.
Posted by: Shipman || 08/24/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||

#27  Hmmm... "gay bomb"? we should be more worried about fagmentation grenades in the hands of terrorists or fifth columnists.
Posted by: Dave D. || 08/24/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||

#28  ok. im just bookmarked that to favrits.
Posted by: muck4doo || 08/24/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||

#29  If only the gay bomb worked like a neutron bomb in reverse: all the people are fine, but everyone's place looks simply FABulous after it goes off.
Posted by: eLarson || 08/24/2004 23:35 Comments || Top||

#30  Rantburg(.com) sucks!
Posted by: Rantburg || 08/24/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#31  Rantburg(.com) sucks!
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#32  Rantburg(.com) sucks!
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#34  Rantburg(.com) sucks!
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#35  Rantburg(.com) sucks!
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Caribbean-Latin America
U.S. Overcomes Cuban Jamming
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 01:08 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  However, we remain under the spell of Jamaican jamming, mon.
Posted by: BH || 08/24/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Six hours of Bob Marley, or six hours of Fidel's speeches - take your pick.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/24/2004 23:41 Comments || Top||


Antigua, U.S. Extend Air Force Base Lease
Antigua and Barbuda's prime minister and American officials signed an agreement Monday extending the lease of the U.S. Air Force base in the Caribbean country until 2008. The Antigua Air Station helps track spacecraft that take off from Cape Canaveral, Fla., said base commander Maj. Brian Gaude. The new agreement, which takes effect in January, continues an arrangement between the U.S. military and the Antiguan government that began in the early 1960s. The U.S. government will continue to pay annual rent of $1.25 million to Antigua's government under the deal. Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer and Mary Kramer, U.S. ambassador to the Eastern Caribbean, signed the agreement. Antigua and Barbuda is a former British colony of 70,000 residents.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/24/2004 12:31:21 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Jeeves! Phone the car dealership!..."
Posted by: mojo || 08/24/2004 2:10 Comments || Top||


Down Under
New weapons may be based on insect swarms
Australian scientists are using the collective intelligence found in insect swarms to develop the next generation of high-tech military hardware. Mr Alex Ryan, a mathematician with the government's Defence Science and Technology Organisation, heads a team that is working on computer software to re-create swarm behaviour for use on the battlefield. The goal is to develop swarms of small, expendable unmanned vehicles that can carry out missions that are too dangerous for humans. Mr Ryan said the scientists were using insect swarms as a template because they showed great versatility and adaptability in nature - swarms can overcome problems they encounter in the wild, even though the insects do not have the individual intelligence to come up with a solution. 'We would have thousands of these unmanned vehicles communicating with one another to carry out missions,' he said. 'We want to give them an overall goal, as in carrying out surveillance of a region, but you don't want to tell every one of a thousand different vehicles exactly what to do, you want them to figure it out for themselves. That's the challenge, give them a goal, then when something changes, have them adapt.' The scientists are replicating swarm behaviour using complex algorithms in work Mr Ryan described as 'at the edge of chaos'.

'There's a fine line between systems which are too ordered and stagnate, and systems which are too chaotic and collapse into total disorder,' he said. He said his team also had to attempt to modify natural swarm behaviour for military use. 'Swarm behaviour as such is not what we are after,' he said. 'Swarms, like the notorious killer bees, concentrate on attacking a single enemy in vast numbers. Our aim is rather to develop an intelligent and communicating network.' The project envisages small inexpensive drones costing about US$14,000 (S$24,000) each, rather than current unmanned vehicles, which cost upwards of a million dollars.

The initial focus is on surveillance work, but Mr Ryan said the swarms could also be modified to carry weapons. He said the project was 10 to 15 years from completion, but added that the time span was relatively short in military terms because acquiring new hardware would normally take at least a decade. Mr Ryan said the project aimed to reduce the need to send troops into hazardous situations. 'That's the driving force behind this. It's about saving lives,' he said. --
Posted by: tipper || 08/24/2004 5:16:54 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I would love to see a plague of titanium-alloyed robolocusts descend upon Egypt. As Reynolds would say: heh.
Posted by: BH || 08/24/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#2  every swarm has its' strays, and we'd have to overcome our aversion to any collateral damage
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Egad! Killer bees, each with their own pentium processors.
Posted by: BigEd || 08/24/2004 11:04 Comments || Top||

#4  The Paleos have been actively researching this weapon for a few years---It is called the Car Swarm™. They just can't do anything useful with it.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 08/24/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#5  BigEd---LOL! With Pentium processors the bees will need an airscoop for cooling air that will look like that of a P-51.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 08/24/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#6  The scientists are replicating swarm behaviour using complex algorithms in work Mr Ryan described as ’at the edge of chaos’.

Sigh...I wish I were better in math-this sounds so cool.
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/24/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Bee all that you can bee.
Posted by: Monolito Montoya || 08/24/2004 15:53 Comments || Top||


Europe
Kosovo's ethnic minorities need continuing protection, UN warns
Highlighting a surge in the number of murders of Kosovo Serbs over the past year, the United Nations refugee agency has issued three linked reports showing that inter-ethnic relations in the troubled province are so fragile that minority groups continue to need international protection from the threat of violence. The reports from UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) indicate that Kosovo's minority groups are at risk of attacks ranging from acts of stone-throwing to violent assaults, forcible displacement and even murder. Briefing reporters today in Geneva, UNHCR spokesman Ron Redmond said the series of reports show that 12 Serbs were killed between January and November last year, compared to five for all of 2002. Then, in mid-March this year, Kosovo's ethnic tensions spilled over into several days of public violence and riots. During that period at least 19 people were killed and hundreds of others were injured, while many homes, churches, monasteries and other buildings of significance to minorities were damaged and destroyed. Mr. Redmond said the events of March led UNHCR to conclude in one of the reports that Kosovo's minorities, especially its Serbs, Roma, Ashkaeli and Egyptians,Egyptians? need further protection from the international community. Mr. Redmond said some Kosovo Albanians also need protection, including those in ethnically mixed marriages and people considered to have associated with Serbian authorities before 1999.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 08/24/2004 5:57:24 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  SEND IN THE FRENCH AND GERMANS!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/24/2004 19:02 Comments || Top||


Fourth Infantry Liberates Paris
After Mortain, the 4th had its first and only real rest. No Germans were seen for 10 days; enemy artillery even moved out of range. Alerted for an urgent mission, the division was transferred to V Corps Aug. 23.

In a driving rain, the 4th rolled along the road to Paris all that night and the next day. Although the FFI had been battling Germans for several days inside the city, the capital still was surrounded. Bringing support to the patriots, the 4th and the 2nd French Armd. Div. raced to clinch the victory.

The 4th bivouacked 12 miles south of the city as Germans retreated hastily across the Seine River. The 22nd set out in pursuit. That evening, 2nd French Armd. met strong opposition between Versailles and Paris. At midnight, the 12th was ordered to move into the city.

EARLY Aug. 25, while the 8th and 22nd crossed the Seine, the 12th advanced north on Boulevard d'Orleans, ready to take on all comers. For once, doughs found the job nearly accomplished before they arrived. On trucks, the 12th rode in triumphal procession through streets jammed from wall to wall with thousands of joyous Parisians. Third Bn. reached Notre Dame Cathedral at high noon, first Allied military unit to see the famous square for more than four years. Other battalion elements arrived as fast as they could push their way through the surging throng.

Paris was free -- the biggest news the world had heard since D-Day. Gen. Barton and Gen. Blakeley represented the division when the German commander surrendered at the Gare de Montparnasse.

Moving to the north suburbs of Paris, the division cleared the city. Germans now were frantically trying to get out of France. Next, the Famous Fourth advanced northeast as First Army's drive to the Belgian border picked up speed.
The French are celebrating, this week, how their valiant troops liberated Paris sixty years ago. I'm ranting a bit about it on my blog and just wanted to point out that Americans bled and died to liberate Paris, too.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 08/24/2004 1:30:00 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Chuck- IIRC American troops were stopped/diverted in order for LeClerc to liberate Paris (got to save the gallic honor, lol).
Posted by: Spot || 08/24/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Sorry, Spot. Not so. Urban Legend. LeClerc got hung up and actually entered Paris with the American column, having lost contact with the main body of French forces!

Associated Press

Army War College Review
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 08/24/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#3  Chuck--Thanks for those great links! Those accounts from Don Whitehead at the AP link are fantastic. Great stuff!
Posted by: Dar || 08/24/2004 14:32 Comments || Top||

#4  My bad Chuck (but I still don't have anything good to say about the frogs).
Posted by: Spot || 08/24/2004 14:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Spot, neither do I, after the Battle of Tours anyway. Dad always looked like he'd vomit whenever the subject of our gallant allies was brought up. He had zero use for any French troops in WW II. BTW, this is what he was doing at the time:
While with the 7th Armored the Group Headquarters operated in two echelons in different columns. On the 28th the echelon referred to as "Rear" became separated from the column it was following and advanced along a road that had not been cleared by the armor. In the village of Regault a German tank appeared which attacked this echelon of the Group Headquarters. The vehicles were quickly dispersed, a fifty caliber machine gun set up on a ground mount, a Bazooka team began firing, and a gun of the 558th was called on to go into position adjusted by a cub. The tank was driven off but it had take its toll. One man was killed, the battery commander, Captain Petty, and two men seriously wounded, and several other men injured slightly.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 08/24/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Spot--Read that AWCR link from Chuck. Patton and Bradley had some real problems with LeClerc and weren't all that fond of him either. I can't believe they didn't have LeClerc removed for insubordination (especially after the Argentan incident), but the s.o.b. was probably protected by DeGaulle and Eisenhower for political purposes. Excerpt:
With the French on the left and an American armored division, the 5th, on the right, the XV Corps pushed north toward Argentan to close what became known as the Argentan-Falaise pocket, the maneuver to surround the Germans in Normandy. Ahead lay an upland forest, difficult terrain, and Haislip instructed his armored divisions to go around it, the French on the left, the Americans on the right. In a defiant or thoughtless, yet inexcusable, gesture of disobedience--perhaps because Leclerc had never before commanded a division in combat--Leclerc disregarded Haislip's order. He sent his elements around the left side, through the forest, and around the right. The latter troops preempted a major road reserved for the Americans and blocked their movement to Argentan, which was undefended. During the six hours it took Leclerc's men to complete the maneuver, the remnants of three panzer divisions arrived in Argentan and assumed defensive positions. They turned back the XV Corps and kept the Americans and French out of the town.

If he hadn't been French, he'd have been relieved so fast his head woulda spun.
Posted by: Dar || 08/24/2004 14:52 Comments || Top||

#7  Dar - the failure to close the Falaise gap was one major lost opportunity. But then several generals were protected for political reasons (such as Bernard "Slowpoke" Montgomery, architect of Market-Garden among others), while Patton was sacked for slapping a soldier.
Posted by: Spot || 08/24/2004 14:59 Comments || Top||

#8  Unlikely. Patton was remarkable for his disinclination to shitcan subordinates. That was Bradley's thing. Patton protected Wood from retribution for far worse insubordination, until Wood pissed off too many other superiors, and off he went.

The Second French Armored Division did good work during the war. The textbook armor engagements at Dompaire and Dumas on Sept. 12 and 13th, for instance. (Sorry, I looked for online links, the only mentions I could find were all obscure wargames. Try the Green Book volume on Lorraine.)
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/24/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#9  Still poking around and discovered that a mostly Spanish unit was "the first" to enter Paris. New headline: Spanish Liberate Paris!
Yahoo link
Run it through Babel Fish.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 08/24/2004 15:51 Comments || Top||

#10  Ha! Paris was liberate by 6 divisons of the French Army of the Interior!

Posted by: Shipman || 08/24/2004 20:01 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
sKerry to give first post-Swiftie interview on Comedy Central tonight!
After weeks of charge and countercharge in the presidential campaign, comedian Jon Stewart tried Tuesday to get to the bottom of the debate over Democrat John Kerry's military service in Vietnam.

"I watch a lot of the cable news shows, so I understand that you were never in Vietnam," asked Stewart, host of Comedy Central's "The Daily Show."
In Stewart's world of the Dimocrats' fever swamp, this is what passes for biting, witty humor.
Sprinkle liberally with smirks...hilarity ensues?
Nah, they just sound bitter.

"That's what I understand, too, but I'm trying to find out what happened," Kerry joked.

A group of Vietnam veterans has accused Kerry, in public statements and in television commercials, of exaggerating his actions during the war, where he served on a Navy swift boat and earned five medals. As Kerry launched into one of his lengthy monologues about why President Bush avoids talking about issues like the economy, jobs and the environment, the comedian interrupted.
Uh, President Bush talks all the time about what he's done for all three and more than that, he hasn't been just talk! Bush is one of the few presidents (or even politicians in general) who has actually kept virtually every one of his campaign promises! Whereas Kerry hands out promises and positions on the issues like tips. He would give tips, buy TharAYsuh won't let him have the gold card!

"I'm sorry," Stewart said. "Were you or were you not in Cambodia?"

Stewart and Kerry then lean in and stare each other down over the comedian's desk before Stewart asks about some of the other things Kerry's opponents are saying about him.
This story seems to indicate that Kerry doesn't answer the question...Hmmm. Will a strong-stomached RBer please watch and let me know if there's more? I'm just not up to it. All in all, I'd say the Kerry campaign choice of TV venues for this is brilliant....for Bush and the GOP!
"Are you the number one most liberal senator in the Senate?" he asked, joking about claims that Kerry is "more liberal than Karl Marx, apparently."
Oh, Karl would be proud! Trust me on this one.
"No," Kerry answered.

"Are you or have you ever flip-flopped?" Stewart asked.

"I've flip-flopped, flap-flipped," Kerry said, poking fun at the GOP's label.
If you think this is funny, it's time for Nurse Ratchett to up your medication.

Stewart also sought answers to another hard-hitting question: "Is it true that every time I use ketchup, your wife gets a nickel?" The candidate's wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, is heir to the Heinz food fortune.

"Would that it were," Kerry said.

When the conversation turned serious, Stewart asked Kerry how he would counter Bush's ability in debates to turn issues into a choice between his position and the opposition. Kerry said the debates would be a challenge. "The president has won every debate he's ever had," Kerry said. "He beat Ann Richards. He beat Al Gore. So, he's a good debater."

Many presidential candidates appeared on late-night comedy shows this year. John Edwards, now Kerry's running mate, even announced on "The Daily Show" that he was a candidate for president -- which Kerry said he watched.

"I think that's why he lost," Stewart said.

"No, he won," Kerry insisted, then jokingly offered to hold their inauguration on the show.

Kerry offered an interesting observation on life as a presidential candidate. "You'd be amazed at the number of people who want to introduce themselves to you in the men's room," he said. "It's the most bizarre part of this entire thing."
You know I was gonna make a crack about he and the Breck girl in the men's-uh-john, but this whole Daily Show appearance makes me so angry that I'm not even going to go there.
Clearly, sKeery doesn't need my help to look like a bigger scumbag than he already is.
I know they said irony died on 9/11, but the oddest thing about this is that Kerry is the least amusing person, or even interesting person, I can think of...he has all the personality of an embalmed corpse.
Even when he's talking about war crimes in Vietnam and Genghis (sounds like Thurston Howell talking about "gengivitis") Khan, his deadpan voice and flat delivery make CNN's Aaron Brown look animated!
At the rate he's imploding out loud, Kerry will have to drop out of the race before the GOP can meet in NYC.
Good thing, too.
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 8:45:14 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If this is Kerry's idea of addressing the issue ...then....then...I'm actually speechless at the stupidity of this move!
Posted by: B || 08/25/2004 5:20 Comments || Top||


KERRY CAMPAIGN BACKTRACKS ON FIRST PURPLE HEART AWARD
Campaign Says May Have Been Self-Inflicted
In a reversal of their staunch defense of John Kerry's military service record, Kerry campaign officials were quoted by Fox News saying that it was indeed possible that John Kerry's first Purple Heart commendation was the result of an, unintentional, self-inflicted wound."
"GARRETT: And questions keep coming. For example, Kerry received a Purple Heart for wounds suffered on December 2, 1968. But in Kerry's own journal written nine days later, he writes he and his crew, quote, "hadn't been shot at yet," unquote. Kerry's campaign has said it is possible this first Purple Heart was awarded for an unintentional self-inflicted wound -- Brit." (Special Report with Brit Hume Aug.23, 2004)
A recent television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth featured Doctor Lewis Letson who treated Kerry for his minor injury and Grant Hibbard who served as John Kerry's direct commander on the mission where he claimed his medal. Both men say Kerry did not deserve the medal given the fact that Kerry received a very minor wound requiring no more than band-aid treatment and because the wound was not a direct result of hostile fire, a requirement for a Purple Heart commendation. "When Grant Hibbard and Doctor Letson appeared in our ad, they were attacked and vilified by the Kerry campaign but now we see news reports saying the Kerry campaign is now sheepishly acknowledging that what we said was true," said Admiral Hoffmann, founder of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. "John Kerry's own journal reinforces the fact that neither Kerry nor his crew had seen hostile enemy action. John Kerry's first Purple Heart medal is based on fiction." Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is calling on the Kerry campaign to apologize to Grant Hibbard and Doctor Letson as the men did nothing more than come forward to speak the truth about the situation involving John Kerry's first Purple Heart medal.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 08/24/2004 6:36:00 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It was a teeny weeney
rice wound a'schemey
that he tried out the first time that day.....
Posted by: Shipman || 08/24/2004 20:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Are the wheels coming off the Kerry bandwagon yet?

Or is the press still covering for this guy?
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/24/2004 21:06 Comments || Top||

#3  They're still covering for him, but I sense their esprit du corps is beginning to flag. They sure as hell have to be starting to wonder-- at least some of them-- whether they really want to sacrifice what little respect they still have among the public for this fatuous poseur.

They also have to be wondering: what if Skipper Flippy wins? Do they really want to spend the next four years making themselves look like fools by doing damage control for what surely will be an endless string of spectacular screwups? Do they really want to endure four years of trying to justify their blatant support of this dolt in his campaign?

If I were a liberal journalist, I'd be doing some real soul searching right now. Which is more important to me: my self-respect, or getting John-John into the White House?
Posted by: Dave D. || 08/24/2004 21:18 Comments || Top||

#4  I am not sure that this bandwagon can stay on the road much longer. The good news is that he has the next 70 to slide into the abyss. The bad news is that the press will throw him line after line to try to keep him afloat.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/24/2004 21:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Stlll trying to cover, big-time. This week's Slime (p. 18) has a handy one-pager called "Kerry In Combat: Setting the Record Straight" which compares "The Charge" (what the Swifties say on a point) with "The Evidence" (what Kerry or his shills say about the same point.)

What liberal media?

Of course, being deadtree media, Slime doesn't even have the latest version of Kerry's position on the issues, such as the article posted here. So many positions, so little time.
Posted by: Matt || 08/24/2004 21:21 Comments || Top||

#6  I do not think the press thought thought they were covering for Johnny K. They simply bought his warrior personna as the preferred alternative to GW. After all Michael Moore said so. They have spent four years telling us that Bush and Cheney lie. Turns out Kerry LIES. Now how are they going to explain the last few years? Ignore the story and shoot the messengers.
Posted by: john || 08/24/2004 21:35 Comments || Top||

#7  There is a very enlightening post over at polipundit.com about Kerry's service. The second of three has been posted. The first dealt with the evalutations. The second is about Kerry's service period.
Posted by: AF Lady || 08/24/2004 21:58 Comments || Top||

#8 
If I were a liberal journalist, I'd be doing some real soul searching right now. Which is more important to me: my self-respect, or getting John-John into the White House?
C'mon, Dave D; you know the answer to that question.

And it ain't self-respect.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/24/2004 22:16 Comments || Top||

#9  Chris Matthews, Keith OB, etc., etc., all look very foolish.

Liberal press...you have no credibility.
Posted by: jawa || 08/24/2004 22:21 Comments || Top||

#10  If I were a liberal journalist, I'd be doing some real soul searching right now.
Liberal journalists have souls?
Posted by: GK || 08/24/2004 22:42 Comments || Top||

#11  Talk about looking foolish... MSNBC's chief political analyst was on Scarborough Country tonight debating Pat Buchanan. (If it weren't for the graphic I'd have assumed the guy was a paid Kerry flak. Rather, he was a volunteer. Any-who...)
The political analyst was going on and on about all the 'journalistic scrutiny' on "Unfit for Command" showing that none of the Swift Vet stories re: Kerry awards are standing up.

Oh really?

Apparently this guy didn't get the memo on the backtrack. Buchanan had already read the story, though. The phone rang, so I didn't hear if PB read the story to him or not. In the words of Glenn Reynolds: heh.
Posted by: eLarson || 08/24/2004 23:29 Comments || Top||


Kerry phones Swiftvets to apologize
A Drudge Report "World Exclusive." EFL.
Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry personally phoned anti-Kerry swift boat vets, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night, just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans. . . . The call lasted 10 minutes, sources tell DRUDGE.

Read the whole thing. (Short take: Cdr. Brant was not impressed.) Methinks it's all too little, too late, especially since the Kerry attack dogs are still out trashing the Swifties even as we speak.

Developing...
Posted by: Mike || 08/24/2004 12:54:44 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pathetic. Please don't say anything else bad about me bwaaaahhh....bwaaaah.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 08/24/2004 13:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Actually, it was probably a smooth move on Kerry's part. Makes for a good talking point on the news shows.

That "taking the high road" doesn't work for us, doesn't mean that it won't work for others, who want to believe.

Kerry has zero in the way of convictions. He'll do whatever he thinks it takes today, and then he'll do whatever he thinks it takes tomorrow.

I hope the Swifties keep after him. Looks like Kerry is finally losing some blood for those purple hearts, afterall!
Posted by: B || 08/24/2004 13:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Just goes to prove that not everyone can be bought!

Honor is alive and well among the Swiftees!
Posted by: RN || 08/24/2004 13:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Looks like Kerry is finally losing some blood for those purple hearts.... snicker
Posted by: GK || 08/24/2004 13:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Sorry, B, but if this was a "smooth move" then sKerry must take his weight in Metamucil.
He made it far worse by saying this:
BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back, the impact it had on the young sailors and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there."

[Brant had two men killed in battle.]

KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."


Sure, let the 254 Swifties off the "war criminals" hook while pissing off the other 2-3 MILLION men who served in Vietnam and add to that the other millions of men who've served or are serving in our armed forces at any time!
The guy is an idiot as well as being a megalomaniacal sociopath--dumb + power-crazy is a dangerous combination, plus he worries about whether people like him (Hint to JFnK: They don't)!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 14:06 Comments || Top||

#6  "all the rest of the veterans."

This guy is a class act. But... wasn't he, as a former Swifty, also a self-professed war criminal? What's going on? (Sarcasm.)
Posted by: nada || 08/24/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Sorry, B, but if this was a "smooth move" then sKerry must take his weight in Metamucil.

No way. First, he's far from a "regular guy". Second, he's still full of shit.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#8  "I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

Man, this guy certainly knows how to win friends and influence people, doesn't he? What a dork...
Posted by: Dave D. || 08/24/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#9  Look at the contempt they poured on the National Guard during the Bush service record fiasco. Combined with Kerry's ongoing alienation of the regular army, I'll be damned surprised if any current/former service member votes for Sen. JoKe. Well, besides Wesley Clark. Better try to get those absentee ballots thrown out again.
Posted by: BH || 08/24/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#10  Ann Coulter put it well...
"Kerry was in Vietnam for only four months, which, coincidentally, is less than the combined airtime he's spent talking about it. It takes a special kind of person to get that many people to hate your guts in so little time. The last time this many people hated one person after only four months was when Margaret Cho had her own sitcom..."
August 11, 2004 Brothers Band Together Against Kerry
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 08/24/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#11  Brant received a call from Kerry at his home in Virginia while he was watching the Olympics on TV

Damnit Kerry you made me miss the Icelandic Polevaulter, your are no better than a telemarketer!

Thorey Elisdottir (finished 5th behind 2 Russians and 2 poles)

Posted by: BigEd || 08/24/2004 18:24 Comments || Top||

#12  Robert:No way. First, he's far from a "regular guy". Second, he's still full of shit.

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm just saying that for those who want [me not included] to believe in him, it gives them something to believe in.

Personally, I think it will backfire. It's a slap in the face to all of the losers who were stupid enough to defend him for the last several weeks. Flippity flop, waffle man. Ralph Peters said it best!
Posted by: B || 08/24/2004 18:57 Comments || Top||

#13  I thought that Dole challenged him to publically appologize to all the veterans he slandered. He has instead privately quazi-appologized to a single vet who is ruining his chance for election.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 19:20 Comments || Top||

#14  figures the Poles would do well in the pole vault. Do any other countries have Olympic events named after them?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/24/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||

#15  Damn I'm working on that Mrs. D.
There's gotta be....
Posted by: Shipman || 08/24/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||

#16  Your inquirtyu is positive, I am the president of the federal republic state of Long Yump. Please remember us in your frauds.
Posted by: Wey Up || 08/24/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||

#17  hmmmm any mention of foot fault in your constitution, eminence?
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||

#18  dam thatn hard qestion. ima thinking chile cook off but that notn lympics event. what are iceland peples called? i mean other than em first and last name?
Posted by: muck4doo || 08/24/2004 20:20 Comments || Top||

#19  Muckie, the word you're looking for regarding Icelanders is...

"Cold"
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/24/2004 20:45 Comments || Top||

#20  Winter Games have a Nordic something-Norway.Some suggestions for superduper expanded Olympics:French kissing,Dutch treat dating,Panama hat toss,Spanish fly...fishing,fast walk like an Egyptian(apologies to the Bangles),Iran relay(apologies to Jeff Foxworthy),Burma shaving,Lapland dancing,Thai kwan do,synchronized Turkey basting or individual Turkey shooting,and so on.
Posted by: Stephen || 08/24/2004 20:55 Comments || Top||

#21  In the Pan Arctic games we have the blazo run, kyak races in mosquito infested lakes nude, walking like an electrician, Beer keg relay and drinking race, Salmon slapping, dog lot poop shovelling and sack race.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 08/24/2004 21:01 Comments || Top||

#22  Alaska Paul,

I see evil forces of Political Correctness have eliminated the popular whizzing for distance and accuracy event that followed the Beer keg speed drinking contest;)
Posted by: Stephen || 08/24/2004 23:39 Comments || Top||


What in the hell? Kerry makes call to Swiftvet
From Drudge. Add SALT, just in case
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE AUG 24, 2004 11:09:31 ET XXXXX

KERRY PHONES SWIFT BOAT FOES

**World Exclusive**

Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry personally phoned anti-Kerry swift boat vets, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night, just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans.

Brant was skipper of the #96 and # 36 boat and spent time with Kerry in An Thoi. Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters, and Brant used to put Kerry back to bed at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.
Stranger and stranger...

Brant received a call from Kerry at his home in Virginia while he was watching the Olympics on TV.

The call lasted 10 minutes, sources tell DRUDGE.

KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"

BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back, the impact it had on the young sailors and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there."

[Brant had two men killed in battle.]

KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

Kerry then asked if he could meet Brant ["You were one of the best"] -- man to man -- face to face.

Brant declined the invite, explaining that Kerry was obviously not prepared to correct the record on exactly what happened during Vietnam and what happened when Kerry came back.

Developing...
Posted by: Anonymous4021 & Carl in N.H || 08/24/2004 11:40:32 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Aaaarrruuuggh! You beat me to it!
Posted by: Mike || 08/24/2004 12:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Fox News A Kerry campaing spokesmen admits that Kerry's first purple may have been for a accidentaly self inflicted wound.
Posted by: Michael || 08/24/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters, and Brant used to put Kerry back to bed at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.

Where's my teddy-bear?
Posted by: BigEd || 08/24/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#4  JFnK: "pleasepleasepleaseplease oh god please stop it! You're ruining evvvverything! Don't you know who I AM??"
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 13:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Money quote: "When we dedicated swift boat one in ’92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn’t talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."
All the rest of the veterans?!! What an idiot!! This guy just can't shut up. And now they are copping to the 1st purple heart? Sounds like someone got the files. Folks the wheels are comin' off. Sheesh, between this and Mashed Tater convention in Najaf...looks like a good day for popcorn.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 08/24/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#6  KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in ’92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn’t talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

I am almost speechless. He must have been referring to the hatless CIA head hunters he was inserting into Cambodia.
Posted by: ed || 08/24/2004 13:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Ouch! Brain cramp!

OK, who vented ether into the press pool?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/24/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Forget the popcorn--it may be time to crack open a bottle of champagne (domestic, of course!).
This is just delicious!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm waiting for the flip-flop retraction!

I was shot before I wrote that I'd never been shot at!
Posted by: RN || 08/24/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#10  Even if Kerry did in fact apologize, it doesn't get him off the hook. This is a lifelong socialist who used an armed enemy to destroy military morale.

Kerry can submit his full unredacted military record, and then he can promise to reverse all the senate votes he ever made against the military and the CIA, but promising WIN OR LOSE he will sponsor legislation that will reverse every initiative that ever cost the military lives, or raised taxes.

He should signal his willingness to abide by these terms by staging a nationally televised event in which he will admit he is a liar, a socialist and he will give his heart to Jesus, become born again and to live his life to make things right again.

But an apology won't do it for me, personally.
Posted by: badanov || 08/24/2004 13:54 Comments || Top||

#11  especially since it won't be a sincere apology. Everything this nitwit does is calculated to advance....himself
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#12  badnov...lol!

I'm sure he would, if he thought it would give him a win come Nov.
Posted by: B || 08/24/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#13  Perhaps Kerry can apologise to all the servicemen who died because his (and Hanoi Jane's) activities inspired the North Vietmanese to continue their fight?

As well as all the South Vietmanese (and Cambodian) people who were 're-educated' and/or murdered or had to leave their homeland after the communists took over?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 08/24/2004 14:02 Comments || Top||

#14  Perhaps Kerry can apologise to all the servicemen who died because his (and Hanoi Jane's) activities inspired the North Vietmanese to continue their fight? As well as all the South Vietmanese (and Cambodian) people who were 're-educated' and/or murdered or had to leave their homeland after the communists took over?

I would want him to reveal who he was involved in and to find out if any foreign money was involved. This thing has been dirtying our politics for far too long.

This enquiring mind wants to know the activities of the anti-war movment right down to the last decimal point, down to the last dime, where the money came from...

And I want it by Thursday.
Posted by: badanov || 08/24/2004 14:06 Comments || Top||

#15  You got it, badanov!
I hear there's a whole group of Vietnamese, who live here and who became American citizens because they couldn't live in the horror that Vietnam became after the Kerry/Fonda peace, who are opposed to Kerry, in addition to the Swifties.

We know that POWs in the Hanoi Hilton were tortured more when Kerry "testilied" to Congress in '71--wonder if any of our men died under the beatings and torture because of what Kerry said?
If they did, he is most certainly toast although he's pretty toasted now and things like this phone call show how badly his campaign is hemorrhaging.
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#16  This reminds me of when Kerry called Admiral what's-his-name when he got wind of the Swifties' book. He promised he'd tone down the portrayal of the admiral as a bumbling warmonger in future editions of "Tour of Duty," if only the admiral wouldn't stand with the Swifties.

Of course the Admiral said no.

Johnny Boy, time to get a brush-up course at charm school.
Posted by: growler || 08/24/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#17  You mean Hoffman?

All I know is, it looks today as if Bush and Kerry are in a weird-off, trying to see who can get me more confused, and I'm starting to get motion-sickness.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/24/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||

#18  Do you think sKerry was having nightmares about the Korean rangers back in '71? Those guys were definitely hard-core. I've seen the ears on their pistol belts in photos my father took.

I mean, he can't tell Cambodia from Vietnam...maybe he can't tell Koreans from Americans. Just a small white lie, really. /sarcasm
Posted by: Psyco Hillbilly || 08/24/2004 15:36 Comments || Top||

#19  God, John, will you STFU?

No, hold it, on second thought don't STFU! Keep right on going!
Posted by: Secret Master || 08/24/2004 18:20 Comments || Top||

#20  The Kerry Spot reported earlier today that Kerry never said what he purports to Brant he said at the dedication...There's nothing in the speech, at least, in the vein of Kerry's reported comment to Robert "Friar Tuck" More over at Crushkerry.com.
Posted by: AF Lady || 08/24/2004 21:24 Comments || Top||

#21  Kerry must have heard the new ad. Wonder if he cringes like I do when he hears himself pronounce Ghengis Khan.
Posted by: eLarson || 08/24/2004 23:33 Comments || Top||

#22  Sleepwalking? That was a medical 'out' post-Vietnam...
Posted by: Pappy || 08/25/2004 0:03 Comments || Top||


Belmont Club: "Both Sides Now."
The usual excellence from Wretchard. EFL.
John Kerry's troubles have largely been forced on him by the Democratic Party platform. He has been given the unenviable task of presenting it as the War Party when in fact it is not, nor does it want to be. The Democrats could have chosen to become a real anti-war party, in which case it would have nominated Howard Dean or it could have elected to become a genuine war party and chosen Joseph Lieberman. Instead it chose to become the worst of all combinations, an anti-war party masquerading as the war party.

To carry out this program, it required a Janus-like figure and found it in Senator Kerry; the only man of sufficient stature who could look two ways at once. . . .

If any proof were needed that the Sixties were dead, the subterfuge of the Democratic Party would be Exhibit A. Instead of running under their own colors, or barring that, changing them, they have decided to sail beneath a false flag, as if under a cloud of shame. That in itself is tacit admission that they can no longer walk in their own guise; and what is worse that they cannot look themselves in the face, nor go into battle daring to win nor willing to lose in their own name, as is the mark of men.
Posted by: Mike || 08/24/2004 8:09:56 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder what it would take for the Democratic Party to actually be convinced that it needed to transform itself into a war party. The fundamental ambiguity of the Dem Party over Iraq points to a core question about the "WoT" that is being avoided -- Does this war require us to deny sanctuary to the terrorists, and thereby require us to expand the war to a war against a number of countries, of which Iraq was only the first? Or will we allow the sanctuaries to continue to operate, as we did in Vietnam with Cambodia?
Posted by: virginian || 08/24/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#2  I wonder what it would take for the Democratic Party to actually be convinced that it needed to transform itself into a war party.

I suspect Bush's re-election would do it. However, I'm not sure they would be focused on the war on Islamic fascism or on a war agaist Republicans.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 10:44 Comments || Top||

#3  I think Wretchard is wrong in this case.

I thought the whole point of the Winter Soldier testimony back in the 70's was to couch surrendering South Vietnam to the communists in the language of military valour.

(But notice how they only have time for heroic veterans who toe their party line on Vietnam. Which I've been convinced was wrong for a long time, and the farther we get into the Iraqi iteration of the Vietnam war, I only become more and more certain it's wrong).

This subject in itself probably deserves a long essay.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 08/24/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#4   I wonder what it would take for the Democratic Party to actually be convinced that it needed to transform itself

The Democratic Party will not be convinced that it needs to transform itself. The boomers who now control it will be anti-war till they die.

But then a new generation of Democrats, who are fed up with being the minority party, will come to power facing new issues with new solutions that the ossified Republicans cannot stir themselves from their corruption to recognize much less address. And the miracle of representative government will repeat itself.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/24/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Mrs. Davis - well said!!
Posted by: anon || 08/24/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#6  But then a new generation of Democrats..., will come to power facing new issues with new solutions that the ossified Republicans cannot stir themselves ...to ..address.

I completely agree with you on this!
Posted by: B || 08/24/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||

#7  "They must nominate a Peace Democrat on a war platform, or a War Democrat on a peace platform, and I personally can't say I care much which they do."

-- Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: glenn || 08/24/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Great quote, glenn - thanks!

Sigh. The wrong generation is dying off. We're losing the WWII vets. I wish it was my Vietnam generation in their stead. They should stay and educate the coming generations. Mine is infested with vile vermin - and needs eradication. I volunteer to eat Drano - right after Skeery does - and it will be the first honorable thing HE'S done in 40 yrs.
Posted by: .com || 08/24/2004 14:48 Comments || Top||

#9  I was along for the ride until I got to this part:
[...]
But the Democratic Party decided to package this man, who was decent on his own terms,...

I don't think Kerry is a decent man on any one's terms, not even his own.
I like Wretchard very, very much but I'm not buying this.

And if you look at the history of the Dimocrat Party in America, it's a trail of tears.
Maybe, like the Whigs before them, they are a party who deserves to fade into obscurity with their bankrupt ideas, lies and plain old vanilla corruption.
While the GOP doesn't hold with "living" constitutions, our values are viable and if you look over our 225+ year history it's Presidents like Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon (!), Reagan and Bush #41 and #43 that stand as our nation's real leaders and statesmen.
If it weren't for Truman--who became President by accident--the Dims would have no one (and I think FDR was a Socialist fraud, however personally charming, so don't bring him up!)
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#10  Jenn - agree, he's just an empty suit. His record in the Senate is a big Zero. His conduct in war was, at best, self-serving. His conduct after the war was shameful.

Maybe Wretcherd didn't want partisan emotions to interfere with his point.

.com - I don't think the boomers are any more or less vile than any other group. The difference was that the rise of TV and media allowed the rise of undeserving snot-nosed celebs, like Jane Fonda, and John Kerry, Jessie Jackson, to be presented as credible voices. With their bully pulpit of TV/mass media - they told the women of the WWII generation that they were unhappy, racist bigots and the men that they were cheating, lying, fools for not running off with the closest young thing they could find. The old folks had no bully pulpit to fight back except through their churches or Synagogues. So the left set about to destroy the credibility of the those by a complete and total blackout of any news about religion and they headlined every thing that was bad.

They foisted the socialist agenda upon us and allowed no alternative voices of reason to be heard. Just like with the Kerry in Cambodia story - there was a complete and total black out of any and all news that painted the values of the old generation in a favorable light.

I could go on. I'll stop the rant here. But it's not that there weren't good people in our generation, it's just that they were denied good press.

rant over.
Posted by: B || 08/24/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||

#11  Jenn,

He is decent on his own terms. It's just that his trems are...well, different than normal folk.
Posted by: Tobacconist || 08/24/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#12  I've followed this assclown for 20 years - John Kerry is as fake as Pam Anderson's breasts.
Posted by: Raj || 08/24/2004 17:09 Comments || Top||

#13  Hey, let's not get down on Pam Anderson's breasts.
Posted by: Sgt. D.T. || 08/24/2004 17:57 Comments || Top||

#14 
"Hey, let's not get down on Pam Anderson's breasts."

Hey! I'd love to get down on...er...uh...never mind. I have to go now.

CiT
Posted by: CiT || 08/24/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||

#15  are you calling Kerry a boob?

hokay
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 18:35 Comments || Top||

#16  .com, the previous generation lived through the depression and WWII. These experiences lead to a different set of expectations about life...what they should be responsible for, what government should be responsible for, what it took to satisfy someone, what values were really important, etc. They were tested. Most of us born since that time, other than those who have served our country, have not been.

B hits it on the head when he speak about the additional force introduced post WWII...mainstream media, esp. TV. Think about the lifestyle and values that have been presented/pushed upon us for the last 60 years. Not all at once, of course, but slowly, incrementally over time. Our society today is highly consumerist, dictated, in part, by the state (my mom did not travel with all the baby safety crap I have to carry around) and are told again and again to respond only to our base instincts and forget about the values upon which our society is based. It makes me feel like the commies plan to take over the media and use it as the vehicle to undermine our society worked. I need a Michael Savage fix!
Posted by: remote man || 08/24/2004 18:41 Comments || Top||

#17  LOL, remote man! Me, too and he's got the guest host on tonight...D*mnit!
Savage really nailed it with his concept of the "Red diaper doper babies!"
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 18:47 Comments || Top||


Exposed: Some snowbirds vote in NY and Fla
EFL
Some 46,000 New Yorkers are registered to vote in both the city and Florida, a shocking finding that exposes both states to potential abuses that could alter the outcome of elections, a Daily News investigation shows. Registering in two places is illegal in both states, but the massive snowbird scandal goes undetected because election officials don't check rolls across state lines... The News' investigation also found:
Of the 46,000 registered in both states, 68% are Democrats, 12% are Republicans and 16% didn't claim a party.

Nearly 1,700 of those registered in both states requested that absentee ballots be mailed to their home in the other state, where they are also registered. But that doesn't raise red flags with officials in either place.
Evidently, the news called some of the people for an explanation. The responses are hilarious.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 12:48:03 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My favorite response,

"I'm not here today," Hertz said and hung up.
Posted by: mhw || 08/24/2004 9:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Love that 68/12/16% spread; it helps Dems look so lawabiding.
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/24/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#3  I thought they were too stupid to fill out the ballot correctly in one state,let alone two...
Posted by: Capsu78 || 08/24/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Isn't Moore also double-registered?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 9:48 Comments || Top||

#5  #4 No- he just takes up two seats on the plane...
Posted by: Capsu78 || 08/24/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#6  C'mon, all together now,

EVERY VOTE MUST COUNT! (except overseas absentee votes form military)
Posted by: BigEd || 08/24/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#7  Like the man said: register early and register often.
Posted by: Xbalanke || 08/24/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#8  Where can I register for the vote in Florida?

(I live in Washington - never been to Florida, does visiting Atlanta count?).
Posted by: CrazyFool || 08/24/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||

#9  Following the 2000 election, there were several voting irregularities that reportedly resulted in multiple votes cast, the Florida snowbird story is only the tip of the voter fraud phenomena; consider this from our centers of higher learning:

In 2000, of the 174 Marquette (Wisconsin) students who said they voted more than once, 95 said they cast absentee ballots from their home state and in Wisconsin. And, 79 others indicated they voted more than once in Wisconsin. Those students included 13 who claimed they voted four or more times.

If there’s a question about too many fraudulent votes being cast, what about the situation where valid votes arrive to late to be counted?

Here’s just one example:

Just prior to the 2000 election deadline for absentee ballots, Cmdr. Greg Smith, a Navy spokesman, said…ballots cast by some of the 3,000 sailors and Marines remained aboard ships and will be flown back to the United States "expeditiously" - hopefully in time to be counted.

There are an estimated 266,000 active duty personnel permanently stationed overseas with about 117,000 voting-age dependents. Does this problem persist today?

Well, according to the Pentagon Inspector General, "Several problems identified in our reports after the 2000 and 2002 elections continued to exist in 2003 for all the services."

Doesn’t sound too promising on either account…maybe they’ll cancel each other out. One can only hope!
Posted by: RN || 08/24/2004 13:05 Comments || Top||

#10  Make it very clear that anyone who votes more than once (in the same state or in mulitiple states) has committed a felony and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Put that on the ballots, put that on the absantee ballots, put that on the application for absantee ballots and shout it from the rooftops.

Then follow up with some arrests afterwards and we can be certain 2008 will be clean.
Posted by: RJSchwarz || 08/24/2004 13:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Like the idea, RJS. Add to it the loss of voting privileges for "x" amount of time.
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/24/2004 13:55 Comments || Top||

#12  Jules 187 - how about FOREVER. The wankers who pull this stunt don't deserve the vote.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/24/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#13  Let's not forget the homeless.

In several states, and the District of Columbia, a person's residence is where they sleep (Fisher v. Stout, 741 P.2d 217 Alaska 1987). “It need only be a specific locale within the district. The Supreme Court acknowledged that a homeless shelter or even a park bench would be sufficient”.
Posted by: RN || 08/24/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#14  Voting twice in the same election? Lifetime ban works for me, Barbara.

:)
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/24/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||


Kerry: strange, stuck-up... and stupid
Steyn of course
According to Francis Harris in Saturday's Telegraph, allegations that John Kerry "lied about his Vietnam record" are "unravelling". Oh, I wouldn't say that. Right now, it looks like the sanity of the Kerry campaign and its pals in the media that's beginning to unravel.

Switch on the TV these days and you'll see John O'Neill, principal spokesman for the hundreds of Swift boat veterans who oppose their old comrade Kerry, talking calmly and patiently about the facts, citing chapter and verse and relevant footnotes, while some deranged interviewer is going berserk.

The other day it was CNN host James Carville, former skinhead-in-chief to Bill Clinton, yelling and howling all over O'Neill's answers before brushing him aside with, "I've got no use for this man."

Meanwhile, the grandees at the New York Times, having studiously ignored the story for two weeks, decided that, with the Kerry campaign all but paralysed by the issue, they'd have to sully their lily-white hands with the ghastly business and kill it themselves. Maureen Dowd, the paper's elderly schoolgirl columnist, dismissed the dissenting Swiftees as "creepy-crawly", "stomach-turning", "sleazoids".
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: tipper || 08/24/2004 5:03:42 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don't know Steyn that well, is he joking about the gay porn? Not that there's anything wrong with that...

But he's wrong about Dole not making a big fuss about his war injuries. He didn't prior to the 1996 campaign, and he didn't afterwards, but the campaign gollums made a fuss in the late summer and fall of 1996. I thought it was rather undignified and disrespectful of their candidate at the time. Still voted for Dole, but I didn't like the biography song-and-dance. It diminished him, made him look like a victim rather than the ferocious politician he was. All part of the sensitive-is-in, women-are-scared-by-mean-nasty-Gingrich bullswallop of the time.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/24/2004 8:29 Comments || Top||

#2  the gay porn was a joke. Bob Dole took a piece of Kerry this weekend after Kerry's aides mocked him (a really stupid thing to do to a real war hero with a streak of stilleto-sharp hunor that can easily be vicious). This has been a month-from-hell for Kerry - see the timeline here
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 8:47 Comments || Top||

#3  "hagiographer"

HA!
Posted by: oldowan || 08/24/2004 8:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Steyn is, of course, joking about gay porn. As for Dole in 1996, Sidney Blumenthal went after him (I think I read about it in National Review) for his war wounds.
Posted by: Brett_the_Quarkian || 08/24/2004 9:18 Comments || Top||

#5  typical for Sid - he also went after GHWBush's WW2 heroics in 92, hinting that Bush bailed out of that crippled Avenger, leaving his 2 crew to die while he parachuted to "safety" in the ocean. The two weren't responding to radio (pilot can't physically see them in an Avenger), so were likely dead, but that wouldn't stop an attack chihuahua like Sid...kinda like Carville without testes
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 9:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Frank G -- Thanks for that timeline link. I love looking over charted events. I just hope more of this (Basic Kerry Boobery, Inconsistancies, and Contradictions) gets out before Nov. Ta-raaaaay-za is quite the supportive wife, too, eh?
Posted by: nada || 08/24/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#7  that wouldn't stop an attack chihuahua like Sid...kinda like Carville without testes

Considering that Carville's all testes, that means Sid's nothing at all.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 10:02 Comments || Top||

#8  Hey, that's some great writing and points there Mark... but let's get back to the *REAL* issue.

"123 gay porn movies"???
Not that I watch gay porn, ahem, but ah, which ones?
Posted by: Anonymous4021 || 08/24/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#9  Short of reversing over the last 128-year-old Spanish-American War veteran in the retirement home parking lot, it’s hard to see how Kerry could more comprehensively diminish his military support

rofl!!
Posted by: B || 08/24/2004 11:20 Comments || Top||

#10  "it’s hard to see how Kerry could more comprehensively diminish his military support." I will repeat myself again: John Kerry has very little (if any) military support. His answers to these charges and attacks on the swiftees will cost him a lot of Veteran support. My Dad is DIEHARD Dem (and Veteran) and he isn't voting for Kerry.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/24/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#11  Well, yesterday Major Garrett on Fox had a report that Kerry's camp is backing off his earning the 1st PH under fire, since his own journals later say he had yet to take enemy fire. Supposedly a self-inflicted (yes, Chris Matthews!) wound qualifies, but it makes putting himself in for the PH and his subsequent checking out after 3 (since the 3rd was also acknowledged as self-inflicted when a grenade he put in a rice bin blew up and put shrapnel and rice in his ass) is a world-class cheesy maneuver. USS Kerry is taking on water and the damage control's too little, too late
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#12  Supposedly a self-inflicted (yes, Chris Matthews!) wound qualifies

From what I understand, it only applies if you're actually under enemy fire. In other words, if you're being shot at and drop your grenade, that counts. If nothing else is happening and you pick up a live grenade or throw one too close, that doesn't.

Kerry apparently threw grenades like he threw that baseball.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#13  "Michael Moore ... Kerry’s a Republican plant secretly controlled by Karl Rove and the House of Saud."


SHHHH!!! They'll catch on to us!
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/24/2004 23:18 Comments || Top||


Palm Beach absentee ballot points voters to confusion
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 03:36 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Here's a link to a funny dirty trick perpetrated upon the Louisiana Dem's. Maybe it's just a convoluted trick upon the Republican party that I don't understand. It looks like the guy broke the rules.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 3:39 Comments || Top||

#2  "Connect the arrows"? Goddamnit, the petty election officials of Florida have gotten so much excess attention that this one looks like he's developed Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. Why else would he sabotage his own ballot design, but in expectation of future chaos and press attention?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/24/2004 8:15 Comments || Top||

#3  PALM BEACH VOTER EXPRESSES DISGUST:
(No source, just my thoery)

Tarnation, dang whipper-snappers wants me to draw in those arrows? I'm 96 years old, dag-nabbit. What do those fools think they're doing? Who do they think I am some little brat in kindergarten?

I'm ready to cast my vote for Kerry, and I can't find him on the ballot! He was on my New York absentee...
Posted by: BigEd || 08/24/2004 11:14 Comments || Top||

#4  I keep trying to tell u
voting is hard!
Posted by: Euro Barbie || 08/24/2004 20:12 Comments || Top||

#5  "I just tell people it's like filling in a Lotto card, and they get it right away," she said.

Or running 5 bingo cards at once, or wheeling a quinella at the dog track. Okay, gramps?
Hmmmmmmmmm... me smell trouble ahead, kemosabe.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/24/2004 20:19 Comments || Top||


NewsMax Uncovers Kerry's Ties to Anti-Bush 527's
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 01:13 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They don't get it. The law is worded so broadly that defining "coordinate" is going to be a real joy in the courts. Full employment for lawyers uber alles.

For now, expect the usual razzle-dazzle from the FEC et al. - nothing,concrete enough to be called wishy-washy, in other words.
Posted by: mojo || 08/24/2004 2:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Mojo, I don't think that Newsmax plans to sue anybody. I think that they intend to get the word out. You would think that Newmax would have no success, but I didn't think that the Swift Boat guys would do this much damage to Kerry. Evidently, Vets pay more attention to politics than most Americans.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 2:09 Comments || Top||

#3  527's: An McCain-Feingold or FEC failure?

This sez the FEC is the culprit... and I tend to agree.
Posted by: .com || 08/24/2004 2:10 Comments || Top||

#4  .com, I remember watching some of the public comment that the FEC held prior to allowing the 527 abuse continue. Every special interest got their say. I don't know how they listened without having their heads explode. The minority complainers about being silenced were pretty pathetic. Here is a link to the buffet of testimony for those who desire to abuse themsleves. I'm sure that some Nostradamus in the bunch predicted this mess.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 3:34 Comments || Top||

#5  What makes me laugh is the 527 that have spent the most have been supporting Kerry. That called calling the kettle black.

I think the Swith Boat Vets got better traction with their first ad and should stick to that message. Bush went up 9 points with undecided voters who saw that. The Second Ad sees a loss of the same folks. They need to stay on that first message.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 08/24/2004 3:40 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe CyberSarge or Pappy can make heads or tails of this one. Frontpage has obtained three separate citations for Kerry's Silver Star. It looks like the citation has been rewritten and resigned each decade. I've never seen anything like this. Lehman signed the last one. The article goes into how the citation has been altered over time.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 3:57 Comments || Top||

#7  Sarge & Pappy, I second Supoer H's call.
The difference between 2&3 looks like punctuation, but the difference between 1& 2 make them almost look like 2 different incidents!
Posted by: BigEd || 08/24/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||


Kerry may turn back on missile programs
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 00:55 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Rocky Mountain News also questions the effect of Kerry's energy policy on consumers.
Posted by: Anonymous4828 || 08/24/2004 1:18 Comments || Top||


Specifics about Cambodia Claim from Kerry camp
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 00:51 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I haven't been to that particular area of the world, but generally, distinct banks often make rivier navigation easier than open ocean navigation (prior to GPS, of course.)
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 0:53 Comments || Top||


Kerry stands by '71 atrocities claim
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 00:43 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  is he admitting to baby killin or what?
Posted by: SCpatriot || 08/24/2004 0:47 Comments || Top||

#2  is he admitting to baby killin or what?
Posted by: SCpatriot || 08/24/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||

#3  An unequivocal Yes. Definitely Not.
Posted by: .com || 08/24/2004 0:55 Comments || Top||

#4  OpinionJournal.com has an outstanding editorial calling on Kerry to come clean with his military records, and to remind the democrats they were the ones who picked this fight to begin with.
Posted by: badanov || 08/24/2004 1:07 Comments || Top||

#5  Want a Democratic quagmire? Turn him over to the ICC.
Posted by: ed || 08/24/2004 9:14 Comments || Top||

#6  "I was for atrocities before I was against them, right, nurse fuzzy wuzzy?"
Posted by: John Fn Kerry || 08/24/2004 9:17 Comments || Top||

#7  We need to look at his "ORATION" to the Yale class of 1966. I see snippets here and there. . .
This will give an insight into his mindset, and his heavy emphasis on I have committed atrocities, IN THAT...
This emphasis he used means something. . .

From 1966 Yale Speech , a couple of quotes

nj.com

Where we should have instructed, it seems we did not, where we should have been patient, it seems we were not; where we should have stayed clear, it seems we would not. ... Never in the last 20 years has the government of the United States been as isolated as it is today."

Sounds like typical rhetoric used today in re: Iraq

"It is misleading to mention right and wrong in this issue, for the semantics of this contest often find the United States right in its wrongness and wrong in its rightness. ... Neither am I against the war itself, I am criticizing the propensity of the United States -- the ease -- which the United States has for getting into this kind of situation."

Yes, but the US thru Johnson and McNamara didn't really fight to win, partially because of what YOU did when YOU returned.

And from this link :
Boston Globe

"What was an excess of isolationism has become an excess of interventionism, and this Vietnam War has found our policy makers forcing Americans into a strange corner . . . that if victory escapes us, it would not be the fault of those who lead, but of the doubters who stabbed them in the back -- notions all too typical of an America that had to find Americans to blame for the takeover in China by the communists, and then for the takeover in Cuba."

Why did his grand hero, the real JFK attempt the ill planned BAY OF PIGS to rid Cuba of Fidel?

"The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world."

In being ahead of his time with political correctness, he was already suggesting that democracy could only be understood by Europeans, and those of European heratige, and not by others.

"We have not really lost the desire to serve. We question the very roots of what we are serving."

So, before he went, he was already against the war in spite of his mild protestation that he wasn't (elsewhere above).
Posted by: BigEd || 08/24/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#8  "The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world."

Ooo, BigEd, this is a good'un! Political pundits- fire when ready.
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/24/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#9  Sounds like typical rhetoric used today in re: Iraq

No, the rhetoric in regards to Iraq is just recycled anti-Vietnam pap.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#10  Headline: Kerry stands by '71 atrocities claim

This is going to lose Kerry the veterans' vote. Many of them did not know of this aspect of Kerry's record.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/24/2004 12:43 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Annan's Congo burden: Deja vu
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 01:23 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Before the U.N. Security Council approves Kofi Annan's plan to make the Congo the U.N.'s largest and costliest mission in the world, the diplomatic do-gooders should spend a few minutes studying the U.N.'s previous largest and costliest mission in the world — in the same Congo 44 years ago."

Mr. Annan, why is the Congo getting priority over Sudan?

An educational article, thanks, Superhose.
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/24/2004 11:19 Comments || Top||

#2  More like deja phooey.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/24/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Queen album brings rock to Iran
Rock band Queen, fronted by gay icon Freddie Mercury, has become the first rock act to receive an official seal of approval in Iran. Western music is strictly censored in the Islamic republic, where homosexuality is considered a crime.

But an album of Queen's greatest hits was released in Iran on Monday. Mercury, who died in 1991, was proud of his Iranian ancestry, and illegal bootleg albums and singles made Queen one of the most popular bands in Iran.

Black-burkha girls, you make the rockin world go round!
Posted by: Howard UK || 08/24/2004 10:29:31 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  C'mon, Howard, give us the rest of the lyrics!
Posted by: Mike || 08/24/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#2  I'll leave that honour to the more lyrically gifted...
Posted by: Howard UK || 08/24/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#3  Tie Your Mother Mullah Down
Posted by: Frank G || 08/24/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Black Burka Girls

Black Burka Girls…you make my world go round
Black Burka Girls…don’t know if you’re standing up…

Or sitting down!


Black Burka Girls…a wrist or ankle…let me see
Black Burka Girls…you’re all the same to me


Black Burka Girls…you’re ageless to my eyes
Black Burka Girls…when we tie the knot

I know I’ll be surprised!
Posted by: RN || 08/24/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Freddie Mercury was a Zoroastrian, not a Muslim.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/24/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#6  And a screaming gay.
Posted by: Uncle Monty || 08/24/2004 11:30 Comments || Top||

#7  Freddie Mercury was a Zoroastrian, not a Muslim

And a screaming gay.

Which kind of makes you wonder what the hell kind of fanatical muslim theocracy are these guys running over there?
Posted by: peggy || 08/24/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Lions and Tigers and Condoms, Oh My!!
Sex-Film Industry Threatened With Condom Requirement
By NICK MADIGAN

OS ANGELES, Aug. 23 - A member of the California Assembly has warned the pornographic-film industry, already buffeted by an H.I.V. outbreak earlier this year, that unless actors wear condoms while they work he will write a law requiring it.

The warning, from Paul Koretz, a Democrat who represents West Hollywood and parts of Los Angeles and Beverly Hills, came in a letter last week to 185 producers and publishers of pornographic material, advising sex performers to adopt "harm-reduction procedures" like using condoms or face the chance that the Legislature will "exercise its authority to mandate more stringent actions."

While most people in the sex industry appear to agree in principle with the idea of consistent condom use, it has long been believed here that condoms are not sexy.

"In any sexual interaction where condoms are used, consumers tend to drift from that," said Graham Travis, head of production at Elegant Angel Video, a production company that turns out as many as eight new releases a month. "What the consumers want to see is performers without condoms, something that's as real and intimate as possible."

Forcing condom use, he said, would mean that "a lot of people would go out of business." In any event, Mr. Travis said, "I don't think the will is there from the performers."

The issue of worker safety in the pornographic-film industry has become more urgent in the wake of the most recent outbreak here of H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS. The outbreak was prompted in March by an actor who was infected while shooting a movie in Brazil and who transmitted it to at least three others after he returned to work in Los Angeles.

As many as 60 actors were believed to have been exposed to the virus, according to the Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation, which tests about 1,200 sex-industry performers every month for sexually transmitted diseases. Filming was shut down until the outbreak was declared contained in early May.

Outside one of the foundation's two clinics in the San Fernando Valley on Monday, an actress who calls herself Nautica Thorn said the idea of all male performers wearing condoms was "great," but impractical.

"People these days really go for the shock value, for the high-risk stuff," she said, "and that's harder to do with a condom."

Ms. Thorn said she now goes to the clinic twice a month for a blood test, as opposed to the single monthly visits she was content with before. And it pays, she said, to know something about your work partners. "After that whole scare thing, girls are being more selective," Ms. Thorn, 20, said.

"The guys I work with, they also have to have a blood check every two weeks,'' Ms. Thorn said. Another actress visiting the clinic, Kianna Dior, said she, too, was being more careful in choosing co-stars, even if condoms are not yet part of the act. "My heart says 'yeah,' but I know the business would probably not do as well if everyone used condoms," Ms. Dior said. "After this H.I.V. thing, I've just totally cut down on working."

Sharon Mitchell, a former adult-film actress who earned a Ph.D. in human sexuality before co-founding the Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation, said on Monday that condom use in the industry had gone up after the H.I.V. outbreak to 23 percent from 17 percent and that it was now back to about 17.5 percent.

"Honey, this is pornography," Dr. Mitchell said. "People don't pay attention to the Legislature. Why should they pay attention to Koretz's letter?"

A week after the outbreak became known, Dr. Mitchell said, she struck a deal with 16 production companies under which they were to insist that performers who choose not to use condoms be tested for sexually transmitted diseases every two weeks. Across-the-board use of condoms, she said, was not on the table.

"Clearly," Dr. Mitchell said, "they're not going to go for the complete barrier protection."

Posted by: DLS || 08/24/2004 10:17:04 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How do you put a condom on John Holmes?
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 08/24/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#2  You don't. He's dead.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/24/2004 14:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Stiff now for how long?
Posted by: Monolito Montoya || 08/24/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Saakashvili to Georgians: "Prepare for War with Russia"
From Mosnews, quoting Le Monde (yeah, I know)

Once again, I'm sorry for my colossal HTML cluster**** from a few minutes ago, but nothing* grabs the eye like this:


"We are very close to a war [with Russia], the population must be prepared."

*Nothing, that is, except a maybe blink tag and huge courier text. Sorry guys. If I'm sinktrapped/banned/whatever ... it's been educational. Seriously. G'night.
Posted by: Another Dan || 08/24/2004 4:21:52 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, please don't do a blink tag.

I don't think Georgia can do much to prepare to fight Russia.

But I guess that's the breaks when you let George Soros elect your president.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 08/24/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#2  PF: I don't think Georgia can do much to prepare to fight Russia. But I guess that's the breaks when you let George Soros elect your president.

Actually, I don't rate Russia all that highly any more. They can take land, but can't deal with guerrilla warfare without taking significant casualties. Can the Russians take the impact of another significant conflict in addition to Chechnya - either from the standpoint of economic or troop losses (a dozen a day)?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/24/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't think Georgia can do much to prepare to fight Russia.

They could take a few hints from the French War College:

o Make sure all your sheets are washed, and use extra bleach while washing them. Use of a "whitener" that flouresces will not only make the surrender flags stand out more, it may help their visibility in low-light and infrared equipment.

o Decide on the shape of your post-war biography early. Collaborators need an early start to covering up their acts, and those of you who choose the "resistance" will need to collect the names of those shot as "partisans" to form the rest of your "cells". Be warned: no one buys into the "public collaborator/private resistor" line anymore, and, as John Kerry is learning, changing roles mid-stream can cause embarassment in the future.

o If you own a restaurant, stock up on all your best and cancel all the local reservations. The invaders will be getting all the seats, even if the kindly old man across the street has been eating dinners at your place for decades.

o Prepare for the liberation by stocking up on razors! You'll need them to demonstrate your patriotic fervor by shaving single mothers collaborators!
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#4  So far, one Rantburger seems to accuse the Georgians of reckless courage in opposing a neighbouring invader, and another Rantburgers seems to accuse them of cowardice for some bizarre reason.

Russia has already invaded Georgia and de facto annexed portions of it. And on *my* part I think I'd rather attack Nazi Germany and *NOT* Czechoslovakia.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 08/24/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Aris--

This doesn't look like it will end happily, does it?
Posted by: BMN || 08/24/2004 13:40 Comments || Top||

#6  When TGA mentioned talks with Russia about isolating/dealing with Iran, I was afraid that Caucasus would be the sacrifice that the West would offer to the bear in return.

Whether that has been/will be the case, I don't know, but one thing's for certain either way -- that the Georgians can't count on the West for assistance. I can only wish them luck and a good fight.

At some point Russia will chew more than it can shallow, I just hope it won't be controlling half of Europe *again* by that point.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 08/24/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#7  Katsaris, you're such a closeet Communist...and a whiner to boot!
The United States is not going to abandon its ally Georgia and we're still a large part of the "West" last time I looked!
Georgia-while it's trying to recover from being Stalin's home-- is our ally in Iraq and we stand by our allies and friends as even a Greek should be able to attest!
(After all, how much aid have we poured into Hellene, eh?
Betcha we're even picking up a big part of the Olympic tab, too!)
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#8  Katsaris, you're such a closet Communist...and a whiner to boot!
The United States is not going to abandon its ally Georgia and we're still a large part of the "West" last time I looked!
Georgia--while it's trying to recover from being Stalin's home-- is our ally in Iraq and we stand by our allies and friends as even a Greek should be able to attest!
(After all, how much aid have we poured into Hellene, eh?
Betcha we're even picking up a big part of the Olympic tab, too!)
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#9  Fuck off, Jen. I have no interest in seeing your retarded masturbation. The rest of us talk about wars and global powers and unravelling history, but you are back playing with your moronic stalking of me and your petty kindergarten insults.

And if you think USA (or anyone else for that matter) is gonna send troops to help the Georgians fight the Russians in their back yard then you are even stupider that I had believed of you -- and that's not a thing easily accomplished.

And don't try to use Greek words without knowing what they mean, you idiot. "Hellene" doesn't mean "Greece", unlike what you seem to believe. And no, the US hasn't picked up any of the Olympic tab either, it's the EU that did that. You fucking moron.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 08/24/2004 15:03 Comments || Top||

#10  Whatever, Aristotle.
But we're still not going to abandon our ally Georgia or Azherbijan or the rest of the Caucasus.
We didn't fight the Cold War (WWIII) for 50 years and have President Reagan knock down the Berlin Wall only to allow Russia to take it back over!
And we've poured plenty of money into Greece, too and are supposedly your ally, although you'd never know it from the snotty French-like way you people behave towards us!
Keep your feta cheese and dolma and stuff it up your souflaki!
I think you have sex with goats because they can't fight back.
So there!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 08/24/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#11  ...but you are back playing with your moronic stalking of me and your petty kindergarten insults.

Wow, I've never seen that line of 'criticism' from Aris before...
Posted by: Raj || 08/24/2004 15:13 Comments || Top||

#12  Raj> How else would you call people that deliberately follow me from thread to thread in order to insult me, other than "stalkers"?
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 08/24/2004 15:24 Comments || Top||

#13  Kat Heads? :)
Posted by: Monolito Montoya || 08/24/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#14  AK: At some point Russia will chew more than it can shallow, I just hope it won't be controlling half of Europe *again* by that point.

Russia's guerrilla war in Chechnya *is* already more than it can swallow. Mark my words - there is no way the Russian military can fight in both Chechnya and Georgia at the same time. If they move their forces to Georgia, the Chechens are going to take advantage of the lull to thump the Russians in both Chechnya and Ingushetia. The Russians think they're hot stuff because the Georgians have pretty much given ground in both Abkhazia and South Ossetia so far. I think they're going to find out that once Georgian nationalism gets going, Russian losses in Georgia are going to make Chechnya look like a skirmish.

The Soviet Union dissolved peacefully because of the danger of a civil war involving WMD, as formerly latent nationalisms emerged in the WMD-armed former Soviet Republics. The Russians should think about the risks, as they embark on a campaign of re-conquest. Are the former republics really worth the complete destruction of Russia's cities?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/24/2004 15:59 Comments || Top||

#15  Aris, I'm aware that English isn't your first language, and that you prefer to take insult where none is intended but let me make this clear:

I WAS NOT CALLING THE GEORGIANS COWARDS.

I was calling the FRENCH cowards.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/24/2004 16:04 Comments || Top||

#16  The US doesn't have to get involved directly. All it has to do is supply the Georgians, just as it supplied the mujahideen after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. $1B a year. Does anyone understand what the Georgians could do to the much-depleted Russian military using this scale of armaments? The Russians can forget about using helicopters or airplanes in Georgian airspace.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/24/2004 17:23 Comments || Top||

#17  The US has trained some special forces in Georgia and earlier this summer Russia was furious about alleged presence of those special ops guys in Ossetia.

SOCOM is pretty busy, but it's not inconceivable that we would have some advisors still there. IF it comes to military action, the Georgians might not be totally alone ...

(SOCOM = Special Operations Command)
Posted by: too true || 08/24/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#18  Aris, as far as I can tell, Soros orchestrated a "velvet revolution" in Georgia. One of the results of this revolution is a worsening of relations between Georgia and Russia including Saakashvili making several inflamatory statements. Soros and Putin are certainly not friends, but why would that be a case for American intervention. I thought American intervetion was bad.
BTW didn't we intervene to keep Soviet communism out of Greece after WWII. In your view was American intervention in Greece good, bad, indifferent or a fictitious event concocted by revisionists? I ask sincerely as the Marshal Plan is touched on in European History classes in the US, but the mechanics are not discussed. The opportunity to learn is one of the strongest attractions of Rantburg.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/24/2004 22:41 Comments || Top||

#19  Aris: I'm going to say that right now, I don't really know that much about the situation, and won't until I see Saakashvili's statements from somewhere *other* than the Russian press; I hadn't followed the link earlier to know it was at Mosnews.com.

I have been scanning Pravda occasionally and find the reportage there both worrying and interesting, as in the old Chinese curse.

I don't think "we" in the US or NATO in general are in a good position to help Georgia if Georgia and Russia were to go to war. I had thought that Abkhazia and South Ossetia were both already lost causes, and think that the Georgians might want to retrench and possibly attempt to fortify a "core" rather than try to retake South Ossetia, which it sounded like Saakashvili was proposing. And I find Russia's recent actions somewhat creepy; they seem to be willing to arm their probable enemies (Iran) with WMD just to be able to pretend they're still a global superpower still capable of tweaking the nose of the great satan.

(And I doubt a "deal" re: Iran for Georgia would be likely, because Iran's too far down the road towards the bomb; they have the Pakistani/Malaysian centrifuges and access to other sources of uranium now.)

I wasn't suggesting the Georgians surrender; I was suggesting they stall for time. Although I'm looking at maps and such right now, to try to figure out how tenable the situation is.

Can you tell me how their relations are with Armenia, Azerbajan, and Turkey? (Of course, Turkey's a member of NATO... I guess...)
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 08/24/2004 22:45 Comments || Top||

#20  Super Hose> "I thought American intervetion was bad. "

Really? Well, we differ on that. I always judge interventions on a case-by-case basis.

"BTW didn't we intervene to keep Soviet communism out of Greece after WWII. In your view was American intervention in Greece good, bad, indifferent or a fictitious event concocted by revisionists"

When you "intervened" to prop up democratic governments in Greece against the communists, that was good and US was acting as liberators. When you "intervened" to prop up a dictatorship against the democratic governments, that was bad and US was acting as imperialistic tyrants, the same way the Soviet Union was acting in East Europe.

The fact that the US didn't seem to see a difference between the two, shows that freedom wasn't very high on their priority lists, having US-friendly goverments around was. Same as in the Latin America.

Phil> Armenia seems to be a part of the Russian axis, to the point of being aided by Iran in its war against muslim Azerbaijan, which from what I gather seems a bit more western-leaning but it hasn't been able to hold even its own territory, let alone be in a position to help Georgia.

Turkey on the other hand would probably be on the side of Georgia, though I doubt it would be anything other than moral support.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 08/25/2004 8:30 Comments || Top||

#21  Yep my Greek friend, right you are, Turkey would be siding Georgia (by heart) but stay neutral since Russia is one of its biggest trading partners. I think the Georgian leader wants to attrack the attention of the world rather than fighting Russia.
Posted by: Murat || 08/25/2004 9:04 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Gang-rape victim's family being harassed - Culprits remain at large
Influential people in the Bait Mir Hazar Khan area of Muzaffargarh district are pressurizing the family members of a gang-rape victim to make them withdraw the case while the police have yet to arrest the culprits. The 12-year-old victim had gone to the fields near her home in Mauza Bait Dirayee at night on Aug 15 to answer the call of nature when she was allegedly overpowered by Mukhtar and Bashir Ahmed and raped. Her elderly father, Abdul Ghafoor, told Dawn on Sunday that they got worried when she did not come back. They searched the area and found her lying unconscious in the cotton fields nearby. She narrated her ordeal on coming to her senses after a couple of hours.

He said the next morning when they were heading towards the Bait Mir Hazar Khan police station to lodge the FIR, a locally influential person forced them to stay back and called a panchayat to decide the next course of action. He said that a panchayat was called by Rustam Khan Rind with Noor Muhammad, Akbar Baloch, Rabnawaz Baloch, Abbas Baloch, Nasir Shah and Farid Chandrarr as its members. Scores of other people also assembled to watch proceedings of the panchayat, he added. The panchayat decided that if Mukhtar and Bashir were found guilty they would give two of their women in marriage to two men of victim's family and in case the allegation of rape proved wrong the victim's family would have to give four women in marriage to members of the family of the accused. The victim's family accepted the panchayat decision, allegedly under duress. But the accused refused to accept it. They however offered Rs50,000 as compensation if the victim did not lodge a case with police. The panchayat put off the matter for another day.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: tipper || 08/24/2004 1:06:52 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Let me guess. It's wonderful Islamic Pak Land.
Being an islamic state I issue this prediction. The victim will be punished. The police will look the other way. This is the way of Islam. Allan be praised.
Posted by: Trolling for Allan || 08/24/2004 7:49 Comments || Top||



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