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LUBBOCK, Texas (AP) - The life and times of Bobby Knight could soon be inside America's living rooms. The fiery Texas Tech coach met with television officials last month in Los Angeles and gave his approval for a sitcom deal. CBS and Paramount Television are exploring the development of a half-hour comedy that could run by next year.
All the fun of choking skinny athletes, throwing folding chairs, and cussing out everyone in sight! It's all here on CBS this fall!
"On tonight's episode, Bobby meets his new neighbors: the Osbornes!"
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09/01/2004 2:41:18 PM ||
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Actually, I am one of Bobby Knight's neighbors.
It is hard to square the witty, polite, and articulate man I know with his media image, and record, as some kind of mad dog fanatic.
I suspect that he is something like me, only more so: intolerant of foolishness to the point at which his annoyance has sometimes gotten the better of his self-control and dignity.
He has behaved quite well here in Lubbock, for the record. There was a verbal clash with an administrator in front of a crowd at a local supermarket, which isn't necessarily something I would hold against him, and the usual friction with the yokel talking heads, which is really part of his job.
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Greta has Ozzie Osborne on for, I think, the 704th time, interviewing him about his wife's cancer. Does she have a thing for Ozzie? Or is it the same interview, over and over again? I can't tell â I can't understand a word he says, despite literally years of training in languages.
Osbornes you say. Above is from the Mayor two short years ago.
EFL: Thousands of people were told Wednesday to get ready to evacuate as powerful Hurricane Frances crept closer to Florida just weeks after Hurricane Charley's rampage. It would be the worst double hurricane strike on one state in at least a century. Generators were hefted off store shelves, along with water, canned goods and other emergency supplies as forecasters warned the core of the Category 4 storm with 140 mph wind was due near Florida late Friday or early Saturday. Charley left billions of dollars in damage and 27 people dead after it swept across the peninsula Aug. 13.
The Kennedy Space Center planned to close Thursday and Friday to allow workers time to board up their homes and evacuate if necessary, said NASA spokesman George Diller. Helicopters and planes left Patrick Air Force Base. In Stuart about 100 miles north of Miami, Martin County planned to urge up to 7,500 residents to evacuate low-lying areas starting at noon Thursday. Brevard County told at least 50,000 residents they should start evacuating mobile homes and low-lying areas Thursday afternoon.
"I can't emphasize enough how powerful this is. If there's something out there that's going to weaken it, we haven't seen it," National Hurricane Center director Max Mayfield said. Craig Fugate, director of the state Division of Emergency Management, said steps were being taken for to prepare for large-scale evacuations, including possibly reversing lanes of some highways to accommodate fleeing coastal residents.
Frances was nearing the Bahamas with steady strength, but it was expected to fluctuate in intensity and could become a Category 5 storm with top sustained winds of 156 mph or higher, forecasters said. The storm could hit anywhere from South Florida to South Carolina as early as late Friday. Hurricane-force winds extended up to about 80 miles from Frances' center, making it about twice the width of Charley and increasing the possibility for damage, forecasters said.
She's a big bitch, I'd get out now, projected track goes from middle of Florida north across to panhandle.
At 2 p.m., Frances was centered about 60 miles east-northeast of Grand Turk Island southeast of the Bahamas and 700 miles east-southeast of Palm Beach. It was moving west-northwest at around 15 mph. With landfall possible on the Atlantic Coast from one end of the state to the other, wary officials watched the clock and forecasts as they grew more refined. Some schools in coastal districts already decided to close Thursday and Friday.
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09/01/2004 2:16:03 PM ||
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TGA - Just think, you might get to "see" a hurricane when you come to Florida! Won't that be a hoot? Perhaps the vote will end up being a back-page story... Lol!
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Sea - he said it was a possibility last night - don't recall which thread at the moment. I'll update with a link if / when I locate it. And yeah, it would be beyond cool! Mebbe we should plan a field trip to Florida, lol!
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The "Rantburg Ready Response" European election observers: TGA, Bulldog, Howard, Shep, Dutchgeek and the dude from Brussels Blog. (Apologies to anyone I've left out.) Also Rafael, Canuck, the rest of the Canadiens on duty at the RB Center for International Studies and Expense Account-Padding.
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It's entirely possible. I am routinely asked to participate in election observations (Lithuania, Latvia, Slovakia, Romania etc.) but haven't done so for years. Although in this case I'd have to look into the political implications. If there is a chance that the OSCE is instrumentalized by the Anti Bush camp, I won't have any part in that.
Good luck with that hurricane though. It's all Bush's fault. You know, it's the secret CIA special weather operation to damage Florida so that Bush can look good providing swift help. Mucky will explain chainey's role in all that.
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LOL, TGA. If you decide to observe, see if you can arrange a few days in Virginia, the mother of Presidents and Capital of the Confederacy.
Drinks are on me. :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut ||
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TGA, please send me a note if you're coming Stateside. And your presence is extra-necessary if the OSCE is an anti-Bush tool. Someone's gotta watch the watchers. Make sure you get a really good hotel room, a double-plus luxury car, and lobster every night while you're here. George Soros & company won't mind picking up the tab!
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P.S. My apologies to all the Floridians in harm's way, whose thread I've hijacked. Good luck and I'll throw some change in the Red Thingy tip jar, for both you and Richmond.
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AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE FLEW AGAIN IN THE EYE OF FRANCES
AND ESTIMATED A MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 938 MB. THE CLOUD TOPS HAVE
WARMED BUT THE PLANE MEASURED 131 KNOTS AT FLIGHT LEVEL. THE
INITIAL INTENSITY IS KEPT AT 120 KNOTS. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY
FORECAST CALLS FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING
DURING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AS INDICATED BY THE SHIPS MODEL...BUT
MOST LIKELY THE HURRICANE WILL GO THROUGH INTENSITY FLUCTUATIONS
DURING EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLES. IF FACT...THE 1719Z RECON FIX
REPORTED A DOUBLE EYEWALL SUGGESTING THAT ANOTHER OF THESE
PROCESSES IS TAKING PLACE. THE HURRICANE IS FORECAST TO REACH THE
U.S. COAST AS A MAJOR HURRICANE.
DATA FROM THE STEPPED FREQUENCY MICROWAVE RADIOMETER...SFMR...ON
BOARD THE NOAA P3 AIRCRAFT WERE USED TO DECREASE THE WIND RADII
ESTIMATES IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT. BECAUSE THE NW WIND RADII ARE
SMALLER THAN PREVIOUSLY ANALYZED...THE ISSUANCE OF A HURRICANE
WATCH FOR THE FLORIDA EAST COAST CAN BE DELAYED A LITTLE.
FRANCES IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST OR 290 DEGREES AT 13
KNOTS AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE. HOW FAR WEST
THE HURRICANE WILL GO WILL DEPEND ON THE FUTURE STRENGTH OF THE
RIDGE AND THAT VARIES FROM MODEL TO MODEL. THE GFS AND THE GFDL
CONSISTENTLY WEAKEN THE RIDGE AND TURN THE HURRICANE NORTHWESTWARD
EARLIER THAN ANY OTHER MODELS. BECAUSE THE GFS AND GFDL MODELS ARE
VERY RELIABLE...I WAS TEMPTED TO SHIFT THE TRACK A LITTLE BIT TO
THE NORTH AND EAST AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER...THE FLORIDA STATE
UNIVERSITY SUPER-ENSEMBLE AND THE CONU CONSENSUS...WHICH CONSISTS
OF THE AVERAGE OF THE GFDL...GFDN...GFS...NOGAPS AND UKMET
MODELS...BRING THE HURRICANE ON A WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK ACROSS
FLORIDA. THEREFORE...I AM NOT READY TO MAKE THE NORTHWARD SHIFT AT
THIS TIME AND THE OFFICIAL FORECAST REMAINS AS IN THE PREVIOUS
ADVISORY...VERY CLOSE TO THE CONSENSUS AND BASICALLY ON TOP OF THE
FSU SUPER-ENSEMBLE.
Leave your mobile/modular housing now. Prepare to leave the coast from Cape Canaveral to Brunswick. To wit: Head for the hills!
Lol! What hills? Hell, you gotta run all the way to Georgia to find a bump in the road!
Serious side: Plz take care all you Floridians - East Coasters. I think we lucked out with Barbara coming through Gaston okay. Too close. Gotta have all of you back ASAP to help defend RB, heh! If someone gets in trouble, don't hesitate to post a note here whenever you get a chance. Think WiFi laptops & Starbucks (or wherever).
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Any Floridians - take care, prepare, and evacuate if they tell you to (I know, easier said than done - I finally did during last year's San Diego Cedar Fires, after the hills 200 yds away were on fire.) Keep us posted, and our prayers are with you
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I second Frank G - please heed any warnings if you even think you're in Frances' path.
Two more bodies were found here today as some of the water recedes.
Be careful, Floridians.
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FORT POLK, La. — A Bengal tiger on the loose in the thick brush surrounding Fort Polk seems to be playing hide and seek — and winning. . . It was unclear where the animal came from, but it's likely that it was a pet that escaped or was set free, said Leslie Whitt, director of the Alexandria Zoo, who assisted in the search. Several witnesses said the animal was wearing a collar. Cat suicide bombers on an Army base? How low will they go?
. . . Heinrich said he was armed with a dart gun and would try to tranquilize the animal if and when he spots it. However, thick brush made the search difficult, and muddy ground could make it tough to follow the tiger's tracks, he said. Here, Kitty Kitty . . .
. . .Louisiana has no law against ownership of exotic animals such as tigers. A federal law passed last year prohibits interstate commerce in such animals. Mildred, there's a rhinoceros in the back yard.
Foie gras flap spreads -- bill would ban duck dish
But haute cuisine restaurateurs say proposal goes too far
A proposal by a powerful Bay Area lawmaker could make California the first state to ban the production and sale of foie gras -- a move that would wipe the controversial delicacy from menus throughout this food-savvy state. The Nanny-State Perserveres
. . . The legislation -- which Burton predicts will pass easily in the Senate but faces an uncertain fate in the Assembly -- is seen by backers as a major step in reaching a long-sought goal of eliminating domestic foie gras production altogether. New York is the only other state in which foie gras is made at large farms, and a bill to ban its manufacture has been introduced there. Well, I like to go to Alpine Village in Torrance. Pate is served with bread at the restaurant, and is sold, in bulk at the market there. This law is BS. What's worse, then we'd have to import it from FRANCE? Are you s**t*i*g me?
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Foie gras should be banned, I think.(because they force feed to enlarge the liver, which is pretty cruel in my book, not to mention I don't want to eat a diseased liver.)
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There are certain things that even the SF libs won't stand for, and that is screwing around with their menus. SF is a GREAT food city and this legislation just goes too far. You do NOT mess with the bigshot restaruant owners and patrons in SF.
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Sounds goofy, but "when they came for the goose liver, I did nothing..."
Pretty soon it'll be steaks and cheeseburgers. Then there'll be war.
A man whose genitals were bitten off by a pit bull remained in serious condition Tuesday, and the dog remained on the loose.
"Ouch" doesn't really seem to cover it.
The man, who has not been identified, was attacked Monday while walking the dog. When police arrived to help, the man appeared disoriented and fled on foot but police tracked him to a nearby park, said Detective Jeff Arbogast of the Albuquerque Police Department.
Just followed the trail of blood ....and screaming
The man was naked when found at the park, but it was unclear at what point he had taken off his clothes.
I really don't want to know
Neighbors had seen him playing with the dog earlier in the day.
"playing with the dog", is that what they call it in Albuquerque?
Arbogast said investigators do not know why the man was naked, and remain uncertain about some circumstances surrounding the attack.
"We're uncertain which division to assign the case to, Animal Control or Vice."
The brown pit bull remained missing Tuesday, and police warned people who see it to stay away and call animal control. A nearby elementary school was locked down following the incident and parents were called to pick up students who usually walk home. Shortly after the attack Monday, Gov. Bill Richardson released a statement saying he would proposed legislation next year aimed at holding owners of dangerous dogs accountable for their pets.
Would that be before or after you reopen the Roswell UFO files, Bill?
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Well, that's the problem with pit-bulls. They were bred as fighting dogs, and you just can't undo the many years of genetic selection because you want to have a "cool, tough dog" with a spikey collar, etc.
In terms of the bite--pit bulls are pretty short and the crotch is easy to jump up to--especially if the man was bending down at all. Once a pit-bull locks on, the construction of the jaw is "stuck"--they don't let go (it's part of the "kill" ability/strategy). This guy didn't have a chance. He probably took his clothes off due to the pain and shock of what had happened--don't know why he was totally naked, though. Poor guy.
Amateur breeders have really screwed things up regarding temperment and behavior. My advice is to stay away from pit-bulls, unless you know the breed and know how to handle them in a professional manner.
Might be a good dog in the fight against terrorism, though. Dress 'em up in pig costumes and let 'em loose on Tater's guys! : ) !
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im know the breed well, the dawgs are mostly overbread shitters, but the owenrs are 88 percetum morons who dont like dogs but want a sign of they prowess
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Considering that the pit bull's central fighting strategy is clamping its locking jaws onto an opponent's windpipe, this incident is different only in that the wrong length of pipe was clamped onto.
Wanna-be thugs who parade around with pit bulls may as well be toting a loaded 9mm with the safety off. Irresponsible pet owners are not the animals' fault. Morons who want to own a pit bull should have to shell out for a bond to cover potential damages, perhaps even against themselves, as this idiot so perfectly proved.
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Si, Senor, por pavor, don't be randy
Let go and you'll have no regrets
For as much as a hug
I'll call out me dog
And he'll bite off your wee castanettes!
--From a song by Alex Beaton
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Needless to say (then why say it?), the missing body parts in question most likely will not be recovered intact.
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Northampton, huh, just down the road from Orange where I am from. I did my last two high school years at Smith Vocational. If I was a Yankees fan from MA, I'd use a alias as well:)
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Perhaps, thats why my Dad went into the Air Force and we left for California when I was the tender age of 3.
DISCLAIMER: I am, therefore, in NO WAY responsible for Northampton becoming the Lesbian capital of the U.S. :-)
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I assume from your allegience to not only the Yankees but also the only sport more boring than cricket, that the State mental hospital is still in Northhampton?
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The brakes are when you run out of fuel. Should be pretty quick considering you can't carry alot. I also think the beer-holder is right above the left-kneecap of the rider.
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That is class. The wheelchair idea's good - would obviate the need for ramps outside public buildings, for instance, it the thrust was directable to enable flight - but .com's thrust throne is the bee's knees. I think that dude's dozing off. Cool.
JEDDAH (Reuters) - Three men were trampled to death in a rush to claim vouchers at the first IKEA furniture showroom in Saudi Arabia Wednesday, hospital officials said. Sixteen shoppers were injured at the Sweden-based furniture store's showroom in Jeddah. Medics revived some 20 customers who had fainted in the crush. The stampede was triggered by an offer for the first 50 shoppers to received $150 vouchers. An official at IKEA's Saudi agent said more than 70,000 people showed up at Jeddah. Hospital officials said two dead were a Pakistani and a Saudi national.
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Infidel furniture? Tsk!
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Big Blue & Yellow Boxy Buildings loaded with Assemble Yourself Pieces of pressboard. Yeech.
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The English are too proper to call these little thugs on the street what they actually are, criminal gangs. These little punks hold entire subdivisions ("Estates") hostage while they trash them at night. Some can't even get fire protection unless the firemen have a police escort as the little gangbangers toss bricks at the firemen and damage the fire trucks. Just freekng insane. As for the adults that get these ASBOs Most of them would see jail time for the crap they pull over here in the US. Freeking insane.
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Supporters say ASBOs are a valuable tool against persistent offenders.
Says it all really. ASBOs are just proof that the criminal justice system has utterly failed to protect the innocent folks whose lives are made a daily misery by antisocial youths who run riot with impunity in many poorer estates in the UK. The persistent offenders (and everyone knows who they are) are never held to proportionate account for ther behaviour - even when they're apprehended by police they're given suspended sentences or a verbal slap on the wrists and sent back out to wreak havoc. We all know what the solution is, but in post-justice Britain 'prison isn't the solution' according to those bleeding heart morons who control the judicial system. Blair, Major: both to blame. But the ball's in Blair's court and even Mad Dog Blunkett hasn't taken the bull by the horns.
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SPoD - not going to happen. Law-abiding folk who take their defence into their own hands are easy meat for the cops who have arrest targets to meet and find nailing the aggressors almost impossible. For example, Tony Martin, a farmer from Norfolk who shot at two thieves, killing one, after his house was burgled repeatedly for years. He snapped after the police singularly failed to do anything to protect him and his possessions, and in return got the book thrown at him. Slap a delinquent and it's you who'll be in the cells, not the urchin. Criminals have 'rights' nowadays, not the victim.
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Spot on Bulldog - you can't say anything to the little twats without them reading you their rights - ie after you've physically prevented them from smashing up a bus shelter. The Police in my part of the world show no real interest in combatting low level crime - you never see them on the beat in SE3 and I've witnessed them deliberately ignoring incidents that aren't deenmed worth the paperwork - verbal abuse/ violence. We don't need ASBOS we need more juvenile detention centres - punishing the parents financially may also work.
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Well if you can't beat the kids beat the parents. Balaclavas are cheap enough. Since the cops are the unarmed ones put them in fear of what will happen to them if they don't start putting the screws to these little snots. I joke OK.
Videotape of cops not doing their job is a good weapon. I am sure the tabloids would love that stuff. A note to the parents telling them what will happen to them if their kids don't start getting with the program. There is also sorts of psyops stuff that can be used. Call the Mormon missionaries around to their homes. Set up visits by cults. Suscribe them to porn. Have the water shut off. Call the health inspector. A call to social services in regards to child abuse/neglect. The list of dirty tricks is very long indeed.
A woman has rescued her four-year-old daughter from her former husband in Iran, bringing the child home to the Netherlands, it was reported Wednesday. Iranian Atefeh Bahadori and her child were arrested by Turkish police in Istanbul on Sunday when she tried to board a flight to the Netherlands. Journalist Jaap Jongbloed of Dutch missing persons programme Tros Vermist was also held for a short time, news site nu.nl said. The woman and her child were freed the next day and a Turkish judge ordered they be deported to the Netherlands. She has lived in the Netherlands for 15 years and worked as a social educationalist. She won custody of the child after divorcing her Iranian husband, but her former husband kidnapped the girl in January 2002 and brought her to Iran.
How very islamic of him
A court in Iran granted the man custody and granted the mother visitation rights of 12 hours a week. To avail of the rights, this would have meant her moving back to Iran.
How very islamic of them
Bahadori contacted the Dutch journalist about the case and worked on various ways to win her daughter back. Last week, she contacted Jongbloed to say she was in eastern Turkey, having taken her child while on a visit to see her. Jongbloed travelled to Turkey with a cameraman to help her get to Istanbul.
And get a great story for his show, but still, good job.
Separately, Liberal VVD MPs Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Geert Wilders have called on Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk to comment on reports that some Moroccan immigrants have taken their wives on holiday to their home country and dumped them there. Newspaper Algemeen Dagblad reported in June some Moroccan men in the Netherlands have employed this tactic to rid themselves of women they no longer wanted to live with.
I wonder......nah..
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Now, about a few American kids being taken to Saudi Arabia by their fathers against their mothers' wishes....
A suspect was arrested last night in the vicious beating of a cop at a protest Monday, a law-enforcement source said. Jamal Holiday of Manhattan, who turns 20 today, will likely be spending his birthday in jail for assaulting Detective William Sample Jr., according to the source. "Jamal, meet your new cell-mate, Bubba McDoom."
Sample, meanwhile, was on the mend at home. The 10-year veteran who usually investigates taxi-business crimes, was badly bruised and suffered internal injuries in the attack that Mayor Bloomberg called "outrageous" A "protest legal team" member from the National Lawyer's Guild was right there at the time of the attack, his official green NLG hat clearly visible in the video, but has not yet been publicly identified. Could this be the source who outed Jamal (as an officer of the court would be required to do on pain of disbarment)?
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Unfortunately, it is kind of a crap-shoot whether the guy will get punished. If Holiday is tried in at least one NYC court, the judge is libel to help him escape out the back.
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Jamal Holiday? A convert to the Religion of Peace(TM)?
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No not likely. Perhaps a "nation of islam" member. I even doubt that. Some people just give their offspring pure crappy names. I imagine it was some family trying to celebrate it's "blackness" by giving their child the name of an arab oppressor. The one vidio clip I saw showed what I though to be one black kid (early 20's) making a kicking motion, a woman in a green hat (supposedly a lawyer) and the cops ruinning in. My guess is "Jamal" is the punk doing the kicking.
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Bulldog, my understanding is that if convicted, cop-killers can be sentenced to death and automatically get put at the top of the waiting list on death row. I also think NYC shortened appeals on cop-killers, but I'm not sure about that.
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Antone want to bet that the 'legal eagle' on the scene will testifiy the young Jamal was attacked first by the cop? Bulldog I went to school with lots of kids named Muhamad, Achmed, Jamal, etc and they certainly were not muslim. Just a naming phase the black community was/is going through. On a side note all the loons are having a definate affect on the electorate.
THE history books will fail to mark this date. But know that yesterday, Aug. 31, 2004, the spirit of Ground Zero died an angry death.
The terrorists would be proud.
It happened mere inches from the gapingly empty site where, three years ago, planes piloted by madmen thirsty for American blood crashed into buildings, forever ripping out the heart of this city. But not its soul.
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Hopefully America's voters will recognise this as the true face of committed socialism - a grotesque hateful visage normally hidden behind masks such as 'compassion' and 'equality'. The fifth column's on the march again.
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I have my hopes that they will; but also my doubts.
The real danger is not from the John Kerrys of the Democratic Party; it is from Gramscian communists like the Clintons who display far more patience and stealth. They're taking us on a much longer and more circuitous route to the gulag, but that is in fact the destination they have planned for us.
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BD, I love it! Every time they show another unwashed, ranting loon on the TV it moves more moderate Democrats into the Bush column. It's the Democrats fault for embracing all these fringe groups and now they are reaping the 'rewards.' If the RNC is smart they will make a commercial featuring the wackiest loons and close with the saying: 'Brought to you by the Democrats.'
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Actually, JerseyMike, I've since gotten out of my "sheeple" funk -- look at this snippet from Democratic Underground (scroll to "Bush Democrats?"), courtesy of a "saracat" from Phoenix, Arizona:
I had a horrible experience canvassing today. We went out canvassing Democrats today to ask them to support Kerry and our local candidates. We were in apartment complexes and lower middle class housing. The young Democrats living there told us they were voting for Bush! We even met a young marine who said he was just back from Iraq and supports the war, which is why he is voting for Bush. These people have nothing and they are the ones Bush is hurting the most, and yet they support him. And they are registered Dems and young. Why is this happening. I thought our base was solid. This is very frightening. We walked for five hours and only met two people who supported Kerry on our Democratic list! What does this mean?
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We walked for five hours and only met two people who supported Kerry on our Democratic list! What does this mean?
"...Oh my God! What does this mean? Someone tell me what to think?"
And that is why 'saracat' is a Democrat. She hasn't learned how to think (yet).
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Here's a more direct link (straight to the comment), but here (Digging the Dirt) is saracat's reaction to finding out that his/her/its post was used, and demwing2's ridiculous attempt at consolation.
Posted by: Edward Yee ||
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At the Daly City event, Lori Guy, a 35-year-old high-tech worker from San Jose, was held up as an example by Kerry as a victim of bad credit-card policies.
She told the crowd how her employer, a large semiconductor manufacturer whom she did not identify, cut her salary after she moved West in 2000 to take a job. Her credit card bills piled up and she got socked with late payments, but she had no place to turn until she finally got back on her feet. She blamed her company's outsourcing of jobs overseas for the cuts in salaries, and she had left many in the crowd believing she had been laid off.
In an interview later, however, Guy said she is still employed by the company and after two merit raises in the past year she now makes more money than she ever had.
"I just want people to know there was no place to turn when I got in trouble," she said.
Translation: She lied and told everyone she was laid off. She expected mommy-state to take care of her because she had run up her credit cards...
BTW: What the hell does her story have to do with credit-card policies other then her own over-use?
Of course if the company had simply gone bankrupt she would have had zero salary.
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Snicker, I was just over at DU in this thread and they're beginning to fight among themselves about why they are not getting more Kerry supporters. Loved this one by Fat Slob: Military folks tend towards Bush. Oddly, a neighbor's kid came back from Iraq recently. He said that morale is high and that his unit is "100% behind the President". I tried to fill him in, but he was adamant in his support for Bush. They believe that he really cares about them. We know differently, but how do we convince them?
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"Don't try and pull the wool over my eyes," Judge Judy says. (This is Judith Sheindlin, the New York City family court judge who later became a daytime TV star in the same jurisdiction.) "I'm smarter than you."
While her tone might be different -- there would be no self-deprecating humour in it, only her patented scorn and contempt for opponents -- Canada's newly-appointed Supreme Court justice Rosalie Abella might adopt this as her own judicial motto. She is an embodiment of a class of people who genuinely believe themselves to be smarter than the rest of us, to be ahead on the historical curve. So far ahead, and moving so fast, that they cannot even hear the patter of the people running to keep up with them.
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SPoD -- Intrigued by this bizarre reference, I googled the judge and found out about the case. She upheld a lower court ruling that lowered the age of consent for anal sex to 14 (to match that of regular sex) because the law discriminated against gay teens. The decision arose out of a case where a 23-year old guy was having "consensual" anal sex with a 13-year old girl (who would later become his niece, I think). Amazingly, the case was supported by some lefty "children's rights" advocates in Canada! Why don't we just send a girl scout troop or two up there to accomplish regime change?
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Questioning John Kerry's leadership and his own party's judgment, Democratic Sen. Zell Miller on Wednesday endorsed four more years for President Bush during a prime-time speech at the Republican National Convention. "I ask which leader it is today that has the vision, the willpower, and yes, the backbone to best protect my family?" Miller, D-Ga., said in prepared excerpts from his keynote speech. "The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is more important than my party." This comes from the same Southern Democrat that in 1992 said in a keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention that President George H.W. Bush "doesn't get it" and that 12 years of Republicans in the White House "have robbed us of our hope." Odd, how people change that wayâŠ
But Miller said the current President Bush is the right man for the future. "Right now the world cannot afford an indecisive America," Miller said. "Fainthearted self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world. In this hour of danger our president has had the courage to stand up. And this Democrat is proud to stand up with him."
Republicans hoped Miller's speech would prove to undecided voters and maybe some conservative Democrats that Kerry is too liberal for them. Miller "will give voice to a lot of those voters," Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie said in advance of the prime-time address Wednesday.
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I'd put money on Zell in any standup fight. He'd whip Skeery with a stare-down alone. Edwards isn't that smart - he'd have to bitch-slap him once or twice... it'd prolly make him cry.
I'm amazed by the stable of hardcore solid people waiting in the wings in the Pub party. I only see one, one single person in the Donk party that I'd even talk to - Joe Leiberman. And the Dhimmis - dissed him like he was a leper.
Well, if Bush pulls this one out then it will be The Witch of Bottomless Ambition in '08.
Cheney's doing a little bitch-slapping of his own - he's too controlled to be a Zell, but he's damned solid. I would love to have been there when he got in Leahy's shit and dissed him eyeball to eyeball. I already know who blinked. Sorry Mucky, but this guy's 24K Gold - and you'd better get over it, lol!
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ATTA BOY, ZELL!!!
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Will anyone please do the *ahem* muckraking through DU to see how they're taking this?
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HOLY SCHITSKIS! WHAT A SPEECH! Just amazing. He covered all the main points with facts and passion. And I read the transcripts, never heard the audio. He laid out the choices, plain and simple. My hat is off to you Zell. Masterful work.
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AP the speech was the transcript with ANGER
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They're discussing Zell on Fox - and Mara Liasson & Mort Kondracke are saying he went into demogoguery on the point of saying our troops aren't occupiers, they're liberators and the Donks don't get it, that Kerry even thinks of them that way... Then it was pointed out that 90% of the DNC delegates were against the war and likely would have said precisely that.
Since the 2 Libsquirts on the Fair & Balanced panel are squealing, thus we know that he really hit 'em where they live - and it hurt.
Now the spitballs line is getting a good laugh, some of it nervous laughter.
And Bret rocks, as always. No one even comes close to him as a newsman, today.
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Just as a sample of how much this freaks them out - look at this discussion thread list... They're all counting on various CNN, MSNBC, etc "personalities" to put Zell to shame, somehow. I don't think that any interview with Woofie Blitzer, no matter what Woofie did, would balance with the speech.
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nice first thread, PD:
1)He's just a mother fucking dickhead who needs to get his syphillis checked after all the goats he's been porking.
This information from the Farm Animal Fuckers For Truth Organization
(FAFTO)
2)But there is another group who has documented evidence against Zell - the Pig-Fuckers of America. Zell is a card-carrying member. And now these heroic Goat-fuckers come forward - a truely great day for American politics!
jeesh. The party of hate is in rare form tonight....let's get em liquored up and have some fun
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Zell was just on Hardball and he really laid into Mathews and his set up questions. It was hilarious! Zell yelled "get out of my face", "don't pull that stuff on me" and "I don't know why I came on this program" among others. Chris Mathews was dumb founded and ended up trying to kiss Zell's ass. lol
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OMG! I just saw Zell rip a new a**hole in Chris Matthews and challenge him to a freakin' duel. Zell got ALL over him about interrupting him when he tried to answer.
Zell gave a real stem-winder tonight and topped it off by totally Kobe-tizing Hardball guy. Zell made Matthews his bi-otch, big-time!
While looking for the video of his tangle with Matthews (Lol - you should read the DUmmies!) I ran across Zell's RNC speech video - it's about 1/3 down the page - you'll see Zell's pic... It has the entire thing and seems to serve up just fine.
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BtQ - They still haven't put the video up on the MSNBC Hardball page. Sigh. I saw a link at DU where a guy sez he's gonna put it up - so I'll go back over there and look, too.
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BtQ - Are they replaying the evening's stuff on MSNBC? What's on now, according to their website, preceeded the Hardball segment... Can you verify? If so, then they should show the Zell interview with Matthews sometime later... If you had them on, maybe you can tell us???
No link--just heard this on Fox News. Bob Kerrey, ex-senator (D) from Nebraska, when asked to comment on the Swift Vets' anti-John Kerry ads, said, "F--- them! And you can quote me on that!"
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hmmmm, Bob - sensitive about war crimes accusations? Talk to your pal JFK
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The meme for this election is that it is the last chance for America to "vote" on the Vietnam War. Were our military people there good people or were they war criminals?
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At least one of the Kerr(e)ys has some spine. Remember, this Senator Kerrey is a MoH winner.
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That doesn't change my mind about him being an opportunist, buddy fucker who used his service to advance his political carrer while trashing all Vietnam Vets for all time. We still live with his lies. I for one will never forgive him. He dishonored his flag, country and uniform and should be tried on treason charges for giving aid and comfort to an enemy in time of war.
I'll stand with the Swift Vets thank you.
Oh and Mr Kerrey Fuck you too and you can quote me on that.
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Tibor - Sorry, but WTF? Yeah, I remember - so? MoH or no, that doesn't mean that when he farts out of his mouth it smells like Scope & sunshine. I honor his actions - 35 yrs ago. Bob Kerry made an ass out of himself (or proved he always was an ass and most just didn't know it) on the 9/11 Commission and obviously still suffers from brain farts.
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Hey, I like the Swifties as much as anyone. It's just that this Kerrey had the balls to say something, whereas the other Kerry has been in hiding for a month. I don't agree with what Kerrey says, but at least he's got enough stones to say what's on his mind.
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IN AN INTERVIEW with the Washington Post published yesterday, Democratic vice-presidential nominee John Edwards promised that a Kerry administration would offer a "grand bargain" to the totalitarian theocracy in Iran. This "grand bargain" would allow the Islamic state to keep its nuclear power plants in exchange for a promise to give up the kind of nuclear fuel used to make bombs.
This is a dangerous proposal and should receive close scrutiny. First, the Kerry team has apparently learned nothing from the disastrous deal the Clinton administration made with North Korea back in the 1990s. Edwards's proposal for a "grand bargain" with Iran is almost identical to the Clinton administration's 1994 Agreed Framework deal. In that earlier "bargain," North Korea promised to halt work on nuclear weapons in return for American assistance with "peaceful" nuclear programs. We now know that the North Korean government lied all along and used the agreement to proceed with its nuclear weapons programs.
But the Kerry team is undeterred by this record of failure. In fact, Edwards's proposal is of a piece with Kerry's generally soft approach to dangerous regimes like the one in Teheran. Back in March, Kerry told the Council on Foreign Relations that he wanted to carry out a "non-confrontational" policy toward Iran that emphasizes areas of "mutual interest."
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John Edwards, Neville Chamberlain's bastard grandson. Just freakin' great...
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No, of course not; he just assumes WE are stupid enough to believe them.
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Of course!
We are very willing to talk, drink tea and perhaps find a way! Yes! The U=238 is untouchable but of course let me show you some used yellowcake! We can all make find our goals and we can all make money, we are a happy and gracious peoples, no, not the U-238, or let me be bold, not at that price, alll things are be priced.
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09/01/2004 18:57 Comments ||
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My mother! Are you crazy? Never! You are a cheapskjaters! Okay, the rug and mom for the price on the rug? Yes! We have a piece!
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Hat tip Drudge.
Read the article. Just had to add this image for your viewing pleasure....
Here are a few:
"When it comes to Iraq, it's not that I would have done one thing differently, I would have done almost everything differently" than the president, the presidential candidate said in a speech to the national convention of the American Legion.
As a result, he said, "today's terrorists have secured havens in Iraq that were not there before. And we have been forced to reach accommodation with those who have repeatedly attacked our troops.
"I wouldn't have ignored my senior military advisers. I would have made sure that every soldier put in harm's way had the equipment and body armor they needed. I would have built a strong, broad coalition of our allies around the world.
Anyone know how well Kerry was received at the American Legion convention??
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You know, I was a lieutenant on a Navy Swift boat in Vietnam for four months, which I believe makes me the eqivalent of perhaps Douglas MacArthur as a military strategist. At least that's what Lovey tells me.
I could go on, but... surfs up! Ta-ta!
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they were cordial, applauding his lines about ensuring health care for vets, etc. The vets had the grace not to emulate the hate-filled left, they just sat on their hands for the most part
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"I wouldnât have ignored my senior military advisers."
I doubt that Bush ignored any of them. Advisers have all sorts of opinions to give... it's the duty of the president to make a choice.
"I would have made sure that every soldier put in harmâs way had the equipment and body armor they needed."
That's why you voted against the bills which would provide for that.
"I would have built a strong, broad coalition of our allies around the world."
Good luck with bringing Putin, Chirac and Schröder aboard. It was not so much a matter of countries but of irresponsible statesmen in this issue. Also I doubt that 5000 French and 2000 German soldiers would have made a difference.
If Kerry has some magical ability to get France and Germany to commit troops, then I suppose the next question is whether he put that ability at the disposal of the President and was rebuffed.
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As a result, he said, "todayâs terrorists have secured havens in Iraq that were not there before.
Haaahahahahahaa!!!!! Does this mean that when Hussein was in charge, there weren't ANY terrorist havens in Iraq? Does Kerry really, REALLY believe this???
You guys need to think up another way to insult Kerry, without insulting girls.
I've never even been in the military (worked for them as a civilian), but I can salute better than that wussie-assed clown.
Use your imaginations, guys! Let's think up the ultimate insult for Kerry, without insulting girls in the process. (Insulting lawyers, on the other hand, is not only OK but encouraged. :-p)
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09/01/2004 20:39 Comments ||
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Barbara - Not fair - you can't just take away girlie-man and wuss and all gender-related taunts without telling us what wouldn't offend! That's the woman gamer in you! Shame! You gotta replace it with something we can use...
So what wouldn't offend our classy kick-ass RB Femalians?
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AbuConfused - Obviously I favor "wussie-assed clown," but Frank G.'s "ueber-wuss" works, too. :-p (Frank, how do you make the umlaut?)
I'm not really that insulted - I just think "girly-man" is too easy. We're more imaginative than that, aren't we?
And I STILL salute better than that wanker.
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Well at least I didn't see anything about the French mentioned in his speech bullshit drab, so he apparently at least figured out he was addressing the American Legion instead of the French Foreigh Legion. "I'm a hero don't you all know that by now?"
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ü - hold the alt down while typing 0252 - for others, check out the character map in windows
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Oh and what kind of a SALUTE is this?
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That, dear friends is a feeble attempt at the salute and smile of the late great Stan Laurel.
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Oh, that tears it, Frank. Consorting with the enemy and giving away State Secrets. Turn in your Man Show VIP Pass. No more front-row seats for the Girls on Trampolines segment.
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That's blasphemy, .com ! I will never be able to look at my heros the same way again. You have SEARED---I say SEARED those awful images into my memory forever......AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
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:-) my bad, but Barb's one of us- just different in good ways LOL
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Yo, Barbara, I was aiming for topicality. But I gladly take up the gauntlet of finding the ultimate non-gender-based insult for Kerry.
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AP - Oops! Arrggghhh! I thought TGA posted the Laurel link - duh! Thanx! Sorry about your eyes, bro! I offer some possible curative respite on another RB thread, but I won't be so crass as to point out which one. You'll know it when you see it, heh.
NEW YORK (September 1, 9:34 am PDT) - President Bush's campaign asked a court Wednesday to force the Federal Election Commission to act on its complaints against anti-Bush groups spending millions of dollars in the presidential race, arguing that the FEC is failing to do its job. In a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, the campaign argued that the FEC is taking too long to address what the campaign calls illegal spending of corporate, union and big individual donations to influence the presidential race. Its lawsuit seeks a preliminary injunction that would force the commission to act on its March complaint within 30 days. After that, the campaign could sue to block the groups' activities through court action rather than relying on the FEC. EFL, more at link.
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Hey, give 'em a break, they're still gumming their lunch...
For decades, when it comes to courting the Jewish vote, Democrats have had the inside track. Their liberal positions on the issues matched up well. But this campaign season may be a bit different, as George W. Bush tries to make a dent in Democratic territory. To many Americans, President Bush is seen as a born-again Christian, wearing his faith on his sleeve daily. But in a way, he is starting to earn another reputation: the first Jewish president. Just like Bill Clinton was called the first black president because of his support for African Americans, Mr. Bush seems to be making major inroads within the Jewish community.
There is an area on the upper west side of New York that is considered very Jewish and very liberal, and the Bush camp doesn't expect many votes to come from this area. That is because the Jews here pretty much disagree with the President on every social issue from abortion to stem cell research. But another camp, a growing number of Jews, do support the President's strong stand for Israel and for fighting Muslim terrorists. And one of the leading Bush supporters is a famous face, former New York City Mayor Ed Koch. He is a Democrat, he is liberal and he is Jewish. But he says, Bush is the right man to lead the war on terrorism and his support for Israel is rock steady. Koch said, "On that issue, there's no question that George Bush ranks as number one of all Presidents with respect to supporting the security of the state of Israel."
So the result is more of this: orthodox Jews showing up as delegates at the convention this week. One said, "The orthodox Jewish community mostly endorses George W. Bush, and they will vote for George W. Bush." And it is not just his support for Israel that has them excited. The Jews who believe in Old Testament law embrace Bush's stance on family values. Tuvia Yamnik said, "President Bush is teaching us we should go back to this morality, to this law, and if we do it, this will make the country stronger and more secure, and that's the reason why we should vote for President Bush."
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I've been hitting the Jewish World Review site regularly for the last year or so, and it is practically an extension of Fox News and World Net Daily. I don't know how reflective this site is of the Jewish attitudes in general, but it screams Republican! I hope the American Jews are, like American blacks, increasingly viewing the Democrats as taking their votes for granted.
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Yes I think W has a lot of supporters in the Orthodox Jewish community and among non Orthodox Jews whose main focus is Israel.
However, remember that these two groups combined are only about 10-25% of the Jewish pop in the US.
Among reform Jews, Kerry is the overwhelming choice. Among secular unaffiliated Jews, Kerry is almost as overwhelming a choice. Among wealthy Jewishish donors to presidential campaigns and 527s (like, oh- say George Soros and Haim Sabin), Kerry is the overwhelming favorite.
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See! The Bush Administration = Zionist Conspiracy! The Islamofascists were right all along!
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mhw, I think the percentage of Jews who vote Republican will increase by orders of magnitude. Jews see sKerry pandering to the mooslims, offering Jimmah as a mediator, talking down the fence, saying the EU and UN need to be more involved, etc. It could be huge in places like Florida.
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Forget it. More Arabs (40-60) will vote for Bush than Jews (20-80) yet again. The politics just don't mix. The guys looking for a Jewish conspiracy in the Republican Party are looking in the wrong place - the Donks own the Jewish vote.
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Dar, I think that the content of JWR strictly reflectes the veiwpoint of the Jewish conservatives, a minority of Americans who are Jewish.
I think Koch knows why Israel was not mentioned in Kerry's speech: Kerry knows that Muslim Americans will flock to him unless he makes a strong supportive statement for Israel.
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Diana Kerry is attending meetings in Germany and the Netherlands this week to help rally support for her older brother, US presidential candidate John Kerry. She will also officially launch a website in Europe she claims will "revolutionise" the system of registration and absentee ballot requests for US citizens living abroad.
Well, as long as you plan to vote for Kerry
Diana Kerry is chair of the group Americans Overseas for Kerry-Edwards (AOK) and is visiting Munich and Amsterdam as part of the AOK's 100 cities World Tour, a global effort to find US citizens living abroad and register them to vote in the presidential election on 2 November 2004.
They must be really desperate to go to all this work
Expats who support the Democratic Party are invited to a reception in Munich to meet Diana Kerry on 3 September. The following day she will officially launch OverseasVote2004.com in Europe. The deadline for US expats to register to vote is 15 September. The voter registration website was first launched in the US on the eve of the Democratic Party convention in Boston at the end of July.
It's a Democratic party funded website, but you have to dig deep to find that info.
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Diana Kerry has spent most of her live overseas. As a child she attended schools in Berlin and Oslo before going to boarding schools in Switzerland and the US.
Yes, and today Jawwwn's windsurfing off of Nantucket while vacationing at wifey dearest's 9 million dollar house.
Remember working people, they're looking out for YOU!
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It would be interesting to compare the absentee voter rolls for all the states against each other to see whehter some of these ex-pats are prolific voters.
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Promise you won't try to throw out the absentees like in 2000?
...Sen. John Kerry is angry at the way his campaign has botched the attacks from the Swift boat veterans and has ordered a staff shakeup that will put former Clinton aides in top positions. "The candidate is furious," a longtime senior Kerry adviser told the Daily News. "He knows the campaign was wrong. He wanted to go after the Swift boat attacks, but his top aides said no."
... I saw a whole bunch of Kerry ads yesterday on TV. They all had former AF Gen McPeak endorsing Kerry. McPeak's big line, "...above all Kerry has a strategy to win the war on terror.". This seemed awfully lame because no one actually knows what Kerry's strategy is other than sucking up to France. Also, former AF people I know almost all think McPeak is a jerk.
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Go all the way. Why not shake up the very top and replace Kerry with H.R. Clinton? It's what most Dems want.
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Oh, 'tis terrible to be a great man surrounded by talentless underlings. Henceforth, Prince John should rely on his own natural charisma to charm the masses.
"I will vote for you, sire, if only you will STFU."
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Do the Dims take "Eating Your Own 101" as part of their indoctrination into politics?
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I was wondering about that myself, but after thinking it over I doubt Hillary wants the job right at this moment. Her bag is domestic policy, especially the establishment of all-encompassing Nanny State socialism; I don't think she wants to deal with a war on Islamic terrorism.
Best bet for HRC is to let Bush do the bulk of the remaining heavy lifting in the WoT during his second term (after helping him get re-elected by feeding Kerry bad campaign advice), while rebuilding the Democratic Party under the "centrist" DLC banner; then step forward to go for the prize in 2008.
And I think that's exactly what the Clintons are doing. John Kerry won't win the election, because no matter how a Kerry presidency turned out, it would spell doom for Hillary's political future.
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Rudy G. will kick Hillary's ass in 2008 anyway.
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former AF people I know almost all think McPeak is a jerk
I wouldn't insult jerks that way.
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I was already in love with Rudy (politically), but after that speech I am ready to join his campaign! I donât think McCain is up to the task. I heard rumors that Cheney is going to resign after the first year and then President Bush will pick another VP. Whomever he picks will have a good chance of getting elected.
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As I look back on JFK's month from hell, from the outside it appears his election decision making team couldn't agree on anything, to the point that Kerry started going with his own gut and blowing off his advisors
I am not sure how adding more players without dropping some from the August debacle will result in a more coherent plan... Its almost as if he invited in more people into the decision pool!
I remember how disappointed Bush 41 was when his election team was busy updating resumes in the last weeks of his campaign. Preety soon Kerrys advisors will be doing the same.
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Steve-
"Jerk' would be a step up for Mike McPeak. He did more damage to the United States Air Force in a few short years than our enemies ever did. There's also the possibility that he helped set up Mike Dugan for the interview that ended up getting Dugan canned just before ODS. The man is a disgrace to the service and his uniform.
Mike
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...Sen. John Kerry is angry at the way his campaign has botched the attacks from the Swift boat veterans and has ordered a staff shakeup that will put former Clinton aides in top positions.
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It comes down to a matter of substance. Kerry and Co attacked the messengers and not the issue. If that is what they do, it does not matter who they put in there, Kerry does not have substance to work with. His Winter Soldier testemony is coming back to haunt him, his dismal record in the senate speaks for itself. What does he have to work with? All he can do is to tear the other guy down to look good, and that is not working.
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Kerry's team, and the candidate himself, are clueless. They could have easily won this election if they had merely said, "I support the president 100% on Iraq. Now let's talk about health care and the economy..."
EFL, complete text of Schwarzenegger's RNC speech at link
There is another way you can tell you're a Republican. You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people ... and faith in the U.S. economy. To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: "Don't be economic girlie men!"
Lots more good stuff at the link.
The Governator was great. The Dems and their Hollywood comrades couldn't be more jealous of Arnold and the Repubs for having him in their camp. Hasta la vista, Kerry.
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He was great! Had the crowd rockin' and you know the Dhimmicrats had their panties in a wad. No wonder that idiot went after Mathews screamin' Abu Ghraib (even if it did happen before Arnies speech....I couldn't resist). The Left is really comin' unhinged. Everyone in NYC better watch yer backs. It might be fun for the rest of us to watch, but I wouldn't want to be caught in that crap.
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I loved it the Wife, Daughter and I watched it during dinner. It's certainly the only bit of the convention I will see (intentional.) The wife loved it. My daughter doesn't like theg term "girlymen" She says it's dissing women. I had to laugh outloud. Told her to get some thicker skin (She is 24) everyone here likes our Gov.
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The wife and I both thought Arnie did great. What was moving was 1) the part about he, his father and his uncle coming up to the checkpoint in Soviet-occupied Austria (remember that?), and 2) visiting the hospitalized soldier who wanted to get back to his unit in Iraq. One could say, "oh, it's just a speech", but there was real emotion there.
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Sock, has she ever seen the SNL sketch? Does she understand self-parody?
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I loved this speech. I wish Moore was there tonight so I could have watched Arnold show him the door.
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No SNL for her, she just graduated with her masters in physics not much time for TV. I had to explain it to her. She likes Arnie.
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Agreed Mr White. Arnolds rememberances of communistic nightmares was very forcefull. I hope he can overcome the liberal coolness factor that is so prevalent in west coast "in-crowd" culture. I think he can.
Did I ever tell you all about how I'm in with the In-crowed? I go where the the In-crowed goes. I think like the In-crowed, laugh, sing, dress like the In-crowed. And it's like the bomb, MAN!
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Well, the Democrats had an unfair advantage after Kennedy had made his Berlin speech. But I didn't really bother much with any party, there were good people in both.
Carter was a desaster, I respected and very much liked Ronald Reagan (met him twice), got along well with Bush 41 (met him once), didn't really dislike Clinton (met him twice) despite of his shortcomings.
I'll confess (while not liking Gore) I wasn't too happy about George W. Bush when he was elected president. I guess Clinton's eloquence had to do with this.
I think it was on September 14th when I convinced myself that America had elected the right president.
And if I could vote I'd certainly vote for him. Even if the Democrats actually had a candidate I could respect.
Well I can't vote but I did convince a few Americans living here to vote for him.
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TGA, it is odd but, IMO, Kerry would make a more acceptable president than Gore ever would have. Every character flaw that is present in Kerry is magnified in Gore. I don't think that either man really changed, but our perception really has in the US. Has there been a similar change in how Shroeder is perceived by the German people since the WOT started?
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TGA - you have our thanks for your respect for Dubya. He grew up and became a man worthy of it in September. And thanks for endorsing him to other Americans - who knows what nefarious and unreliable sources they would've otherwise been forced to rely upon! Thanks!
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Gore was pretty much a "non entity" for me... totally bland, without character (neither good or bad).
Schröder was actually dead meat in 2002 when he managed to turn things around when East Germany was hit with catastrophic floods. His opponent didn't look good in those days. His "antiwar stance" was enough to pull him over the edge (anti-Americanism played much better in North and East Germany where he actually grabbed the necessary votes from the East German (post) communists. He also promised labor reforms that would hurt no one. In the South he faced desaster with his politics. Since then it has been downhill, but this is less connected with WOT but with his headless performance, hastily pushed "reforms" which went against everything he had promised in the elections.
Unfortunately right now the German opposition is rather headless as well. "Libertarian" reforms the way Angela Merkel pushes are simply not sellable right now, so Stoiber may rise again. He's closer to "compassionate conservatism" (read: same reforms but with a social sugarcoating).
We actually need a chancellor who is willing to LOSE the next elections in order to do what must be done.
And by doing that, he might actually win them.
And Kerry? Well, even if I forgot about everything he has done before 2004, he has no appeal to me.
Edwards is hanging himself too. Aside form the "Give Uranium to the Mullahs" idiocy, there are some solid contradictions that will be brought out to club him with - probably by Cheney.
(Kudos to a poster on Beldar Blog for pointing these out)
1. Kerry is running on a platform that having served at all in the military isn't good enough. That you had to have volunteered for Vietnam.
Well John Edwards was born in 1953, and turned 18 in 1971. He didn't volunteer. He didn't join the ROTC. He has never served in any branch of the military a day in his life.
So how can Kerry make the argument that he's qualified to be president and vice-president?
2. Kerry's platform is rabidly pro-abortion. The platform essentially demands abortion at will, and at any time during the pregancy and for anyone, regardless of age.
John Edwards made his name, career and fortune suing obstreticians for malpractice because they weren't as attentive and proactive in the fetuses interests as they should have been. In short he sued doctors for not performing c-sections early enough to prevent autism, even though the rationale behind these lawsuits is considered to be junk science.
So the platform is that fetuses have no rights and can be destroyed at will with no problems. His career is based on defending the rights of fetuses.
Does anyone else see a couple of very large rhetorical clubs with which to beat John Edwards with?
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All one has to do is listen to John Edwards to know the kind of elitist Kerry is. Edwards is one scarry trial lawyer. Only a total "we are better thinkers than you so we must rule you" type morlock like Kerry could pick an Edwards. I figure most southerners will see right thru his ambulance chasing forked tongued behind.
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Speaking of multiple message, WND has another version of the Rassman saga that has surfaced. The new version was read into the Congressional Record by Kerry in 1998 as part of a eulogy for one of Kerry's crew members, Thomas Belodeau.
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OS/S puppet de doom.. Yes, yes, I hope so!
I think Edwards is scum. If he and I were to share any time at all I would have to punch his mouth. It wouldn't be anything I could control. POW! He's the lowest of the low. Gore was/is a freak. I think God saw it and blinded the the electorate of Florida (Yes folks, devine intervention, got anything better to explain it all?) Edwards, I hope will just disappear with Kerry. Go away flake. May god help us again.
TGA, Your dicription of Stoiber reads like a pretender. Who are the players. Does Germany have a Clinton type, a Bush type, or Gore or Kerry type.
Trust me when I say that Gore is a flakefreaky dude. Kerry is a punk. Not politix, Just manno. I've read you with interst for some time. You'd grow very weary of both of those guys.
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No Stoiber is no pretender. He leads Bavaria which has about the best economic and job performance in Germany. Right now Angela Merkel is calling the shots but she's coming under increasing pressure by party contenders. Her libertarian views of economic reforms (in Germany this is called "neoliberal") may simply be too much to swallow and some of her proposals really are not socially balanced (she pushes for a mandatory health insurance, where everyone pays the same which has strange socialist touches and does not allow for choice). Stoiber may very well pull a comeback (he lost by a few thousand votes only in 2002).
I wouldn't be unhappy with Stoiber. He has a proven record, Merkel has not.
#23
Whether one is a free market type or a libertain, or even a socialist, don't mater to me these days. What about the nasty thingy. Those pesky questions regarding head scarves, locations of mosqueskks, loud speakers calling the faithful to prayer, where to send the troops,...
#24
1. Kerry is running on a platform that having served at all in the military isn't good enough. That you had to have volunteered for Vietnam.
Well John Edwards was born in 1953, and turned 18 in 1971. He didn't volunteer. He didn't join the ROTC. He has never served in any branch of the military a day in his life.
I read somewheres that Kerry didn't volunteer for Viet Nam. He went into the reserves, which was considered safe from being deployed to Viet Nam in 1971 ( it probably wasn't: that is just what recruits were ebing told at the time ) and through a series of decisions by the Navy wound up in Viet Nam anyway.
#25
We Tennesseans knew about Gore for quite some time but his Daddy's political Machine and all the Liberal Loons in Nashville managed to get him elected Senator. He couldn't and never will carry the state in a Presidential election.
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#25 We Tennesseans knew about Gore for quite some time but his Daddy's political Machine and all the Liberal Loons in Nashville managed to get him elected Senator.
Where abouts you from , Mr. Blues? Always nice to hear from a fellow Vol. BTW, you're right. Al-Gore is not a Tennessean. He's grew up in DC while his daddy was selling us down the river.
#28
Psycho, I'm actually a transplanted Alabaman. I live in the tri-cities area and am an Auburn Tiger, but love East Tennessee, I've lived here since 1990.
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Well, War Dam* Eagle! Good to see some AU fans up in TN. I'm actually a grad of AU in GA.
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#1
The fact that the religious judge himself put the rope around her neck and the letters of âcongratulationsâ from the townâs governor to the judge, commending him for his âfirm approachâ have only added to the torment and pain many say they have felt.
The judge and governor agree, this will guarantee them 72 virgins, because they executed er killed er murdered a girl for "sleeping around".
I wonder if the "judge" was breathing heavily as he put the rope around her neck.
#2
I hope and pray that one day the Iranian people will revolt and hang every single one of those Mullahs that oppress and terrorise them so.
Religion of Peace, my ass(TM)!
#3
muslims can insist until they are blue in the face that islam is good for women but the facts on the ground just don't bear up.
It seems that the more seriously you take it, the more you try to implement it, the worse everyone's situation gets but especially those of women. But if you don't take it seriously and allegorize it and just see what you want to see and obey only what you want to obey then its not so bad.
What good religion gets better the less seriously that you take it?
Not to knock on the other fine religions in the world besides my own but how bad can it get if you take the teachings of Jesus seriously? You get people like Mother Teresa, St Francis, MLK and countless others. But the only way to get those kind of results in muslim people is to obey only half of islam by following only what mo said and being selective in following what he did. The decent ones pay lip service to their religious obligation to emulate mo. The ones that do emulate him fully end up hanging to death a girl who never had a freakin chance!
Why? because mo taught that society must be violently purged of troublemakers and sinners. He ordered adulterers to be stoned to death. He watched as 500 jewish men were beheaded. He encouraged his henchmen to murder his opponents and turned a blind eye to what happened etc. He created a whole society where evil is swept under the rug so that it only seems to disappear and then when the hidden "latrine' finally overflows and one of its victims becomes inconveniently visible, then these are the ones eliminated and the problem is considered dealt with! Anyone who might differ is castrated by fear of what might happen to them if they stand with the victim.
This is real and pure islam in action. You have it in Iran and in SA and anywhere where it is dominant.
#4
PS I didn't mean to imply above that islam has actually produced anyone of the caliber of these people. If they had their part of the world would be in much better shape.
To be fair, there are many decent muslims who have stood up to injustice and have helped the poor. Good on them. But due to their cultural and religious conditioning, they can only go so far. There is a whole host of things in islam that work together to restrain people from reaching as far as they really need to go.
I could of course write one of my usual novel length posts to support that comment but I'll spare you that for at least today. I'll wait until a better opportunities arise to explain my thinking on this.
I just wanted to make it clear that I do not believe that there are any muslims like the Christian people I mentioned. The truly good ones that I know of don't seem to belong to the same order.
BTW. if you are reading this liberal hawk. I am fully aware of the undeniably great and awesome moral examples of Ang Sung Suu Kyi for the Bhuddists and of course of Gandhi for the Hindus. I do not think that only my religion produces great saints.
#6
there's a minor inconsistency in the story that bothers me - last week or so when it first came out, part of the story was how her father went around trying to find money to get a lawyer to take her case, no luck and she ended up defending herself. Now this story says the father isn't in the picture.
Minor, but it makes one wonder.
Before someone does a kneejerk flame on me, I think, that if this is true, the judge needs a Sicilian necktie and to be hung with a pig's prick in his mouth.
I'd just like to make sure the story is true, first ....
Bhuddism and Christianity are both faiths with a central figure who humbles himself to live a life meek and mild and unpriveledged. In both faiths, it is the essence of greatness to live as though one were not great.
I think this is responsible for the great power of both faiths. After my own faith and Judaism, I have the most respect for Bhuddism.
I'll have to check out the Diamond sutra. I read the Bhagavad Gita after reading a bio of Gandhi and I have always wondered what to read or where to start with Bhuddism. Thanks.
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I haven't figured out how to post links here yet. The last time I tried, it came back to the RB home site, which caused some ribald comments. If you want a good translation of the sutra, go to google and type "diamond sutra price". Another good starting point is the Buddhist bible, edited by Dwight Goddard. Cheap at Amazon. You should accept the term "anatta" (no self/soul) before starting, otherwise the buddha's repeated statements that he has no teaching seems odd.
From Arab News...
Why do Muslim nations do so badly in international sports?
Lack of sportsmanship?
The real answer lies in the marginal place that Muslim nations play in a world system in the creation of which they did not play a part and in which they do not quite feel at home. Within the Muslim group of nations those that are least "Islamic" did the best. The secular republics of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan bagged 24 of the 42 medals won by the Muslim nations, including six of the 13 gold medals.
Obviously they need more shariah. Can't be a loser without shariah...
Six nations have labeled themselves "Islamic republic" in recent years. They are Mauritania, Sudan, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Only one, Iran, captured any medals two gold, one silver and one bronze.
Iran and Pakland are also the only ones where the press carries much of anything about sports that I've seen...
In many Muslim countries the more traditional elements regard sports as an indulgence that could divert human attention from religious duties. In the 1970s when Iran hosted the Asian Olympics, several mullas, including the late Ayatollah Khomeini, denounced the exercise as "a Jewish-Crusader conspiracy" to take Muslims out of mosques and into sports stadiums. One of Khomeini's first acts, after he seized power in 1979, was to disband all the 600 or so sports clubs and associations that operated throughout Iran. Even football, the nation's favorite sport, was banned for three years.
It's hard to be devout when you're having fun, isn't it?
Some theologians are opposed to sports because it requires physical contact. And that, in a culture, which is uncomfortable with the human body as such, is always a source of alarm.
I'm still trying to figure where little Moose limbs come from...
Iranian mullas, for example, have tried for decades to ban free-style wrestling, a sports that has a history of 3000 years in the country, because of fears that it might encourage homosexual tendencies between adversaries whose almost naked bodies are bound to touch in the course of a match. The sport has managed to survive the advent of Khomeinism by forcing wrestlers to compete fully clothed.
"Don't worry, Aredeshir! We can get nekkid after the match!"
"I'll bring the melons!"
Some Muslim despots fear sports as an activity that could open spaces beyond the control of the regime. They are also uncomfortable with sports stars whose popularity could nibble at the prestige of the "supreme leader".
They could do what Kimmie does, and simply excel at everything...
With a good portion of their resources allocated to the military, most Muslim nations have little money left to spend on such "luxuries" as sport. Iran, for example, boasts only one Olympics size swimming pool, built in the 1970s by the Shah for the nation's once famous water-polo team. In Indonesia fewer than five percent of school-age children receive regular physical education. In most cases Muslim athletes must hold one or more jobs to pay for their own training. Eight of the 13 athletes who won gold medals either trained outside the Muslim world or benefited from private donations, rather than government support, at home. Turkey, the leader of the Muslim world in sports, devotes less than one percent of its national budget to sports, compared to 18 percent for defense.
On the other hand, the national basketball team has never fended off an invasion, has it? On the third hand, having borders with Muslim countries is probably where the fear of invasion comes from...
There is one other reason why the Muslim world does so badly in international sports: The virtually total absence of women. In Athens women athletes represented 39 percent of the total. In the case of the Muslim countries, however, women athletes accounted for no more than nine percent. Some Muslim countries brought no women athletes at all while others, including Iran, came with a single one, fully hijabed from head to toe.
Wouldn't want one of her titties to pop out, or the world to catch a fleeting glimpse of a buttock...
Most estimates show that women account for more than half of he population of all Muslim nations. And yet they are almost completely shut out of the world of sports.
... along with everything else.
In some countries physical education is forbidden for girls. In others, like Iran, fear that men might steal illicit glances of the female body prevents the building of sports facilities for women. By denying more than half of their population the opportunity to compete in any sport, Muslim nations reduce their overall chances of winning medals at events such as the Athens Games.
Not to mention reducing their wimminfolk to breeding stock...
In many Muslim countries women are shut out of numerous sporting fields, notably swimming,
Hard to swim in a gunny sack...
cycling,
One too many incidents of illicit seat-sniffing...
riding,
And saddle-sniffing...
wrestling,
Not even jello, mud, or Jolly Green Giant creamed corn...
football
"No, no! They jiggle too much!"
and, of course, gymnastics.
"Oh, by Allan! She's 12 years old, and she's limber and lithe! Oh, get me my gun! I must... I must... I must shoot off!"
Having done steadily worse in the past four Olympics, there is little hope that the Muslim nations would do any better in Beijing in four years time.
#1
They had a DRs appointment, an old friend came from out of town, my dog ate it, I got diareah, I lost the keys to the car, my brother stole my wallet, the dentist had an open date, my uncle called, said his sister needed a ride! The rest of the world cheats!
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With a good portion of their resources allocated to the military, most Muslim nations have little money left to spend on such âluxuriesâ as sport. Iran, for example, boasts only one Olympics size swimming pool, built in the 1970s by the Shah for the nationâs once famous water-polo team.
What's with all the palace building then? Sadaam certainly could have sprung for a pool.
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I used to play soccer with a British-born Pakistani Muslim who was really quite good (he was also a ball hog; different story).
I asked him why there weren't more Pakistanis playing top flight soccer in the UK and he said the parents really discourage it. 'Waste of time', 'not spiritual', etc. Seems the Imams feel the same way.
Hakeem Olajuwon (the NBA player) said his dad, an Imam, really disliked his playing sports instead of studying.
I think Islam needs a 'muscular Christianity' phase like the West had a century ago. More soccer, less bomb building.
#5
Pakistan has good cricket teams, what the heck is up with that? With little effort Iran and all the "stans" coulf have great boxers and wrestlers. I blame it on islam and poverty.
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Why Do Muslim States Do So Badly in International Sports?
Anyone else see the Arabian Gulf-state girls running in their go-fasta hijabs in the sprinting? I'm sure they could've finished a lot higher up if they hadn't been running in sheets. Insh'allah just ain't enough, ladies. I wonder why...
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#4 Hakeem Olajuwon (the NBA player) said his dad, an Imam, really disliked his playing sports instead of studying. . . Until those 7-digit paychecks came rolling in. . .
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the more traditional elements regard sports as an indulgence that could divert human attention from religious duties
âa Jewish-Crusader conspiracyâ to take Muslims out of mosques and into sports stadiums
Iranian mullas, for example, have tried for decades to ban free-style wrestling, a sports that has a history of 3000 years in the country, because of fears that it might encourage homosexual tendencies
could open spaces beyond the control of the regime
total absence of women . . . men might steal illicit glances of the female body
how about: theirs is a misguided, bankrupt, throwback culture that prevents any sort of real accomplishment in any important realm: athletic, scientific, artistic, etc. Their first priority is to control. There is no second priority.
I just could not agree more. The whole priority of islam is all about control and sacrificing liberty in order to achieve what amounts to only a cosmetic change in human society where it only appears that certain classes of crime and injustice have been reduced significantly.
The real end product of islam is that these classes of crimes which it targets are simply pushed underground so that 99% perpetrators are never caught and their victims never get any help. In the meantime, the islamic world above ground voluntarily sacrifices its liberties and stifles itself in every field of endeavor in vain. This is turn feeds the underworld new victims and new monsters in a neverending vicious cycle which cannot be questioned or exposed.
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In the 1970s when Iran hosted the Asian Olympics, several mullas, including the late Ayatollah Khomeini, denounced the exercise as âa Jewish-Crusader conspiracyâ to take Muslims out of mosques and into sports stadiums.
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I don't have any great knowledge of arab/muslim/whatever culture but my impression is that they're just not big on sports other than riding/racing/. I'm unaware of any ethnicly-based team sports like baseball or tennis that arose in what are predominately muslim countries. There's that Afghan sport like polo, but again that's just an excuse to ride your horse fast.
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They're big on soccer. There is nothing quite like the sight of an entire stadium, and they some large ones like Sports City between Al Khobar and Al Dammam, filled with men (no wymyns, of course) all dressed in white thobes doing what we called the "Saudi wave". And you'd have to know the dance style of Arabia to even imagine it. When Bahrain defeated the Saudis in a game a couple of years back, the whole island was so proud they looked like they might explode. Big Magic, heh, for the Bahrainis!
#18
maybe it's cuz they're too busy using their soccer stadiums for public executions? And when they're not, it's hard to play soccer without slipsliding on the blood?
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.com, that'll be the Saudia Arabia who were annihilated 8-0 by Germany in the 2002 World Cup.
I shouldn't mention this ;), but we thrashed, thrashed I say Germany 5-1 a year earlier.
TGA - any mention of penalties will be taken as bad sportsmanship and not in the spirit of taking the piss out of the Saudis...
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I'm unaware of any ethnicly-based team sports like baseball or tennis that arose in what are predominately muslim countries.
This is why it's so easy to kick moslem ass, and now we got females doing it too.... this war is just the last great flame out of a religion that's destined for the dustbin.
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Didn't Hakeem's numbers go in the tank every Ramadan? At least later in his career... perhaps it was a natural consequence of getting older, or maybe he just started being more observant.
NEW DELHI: India, which tested an indigenously-built ballistic missile on Sunday, is holding talks with Israel about joint production of a long-range missile, the country's chief military scientist announced on Tuesday. "Wherever they have strengths, we want to jointly develop the missiles so that both countries can benefit and share designs, costs and risks," V.K. Atre told reporters in Hyderabad, the hub of India's missile-building facilities.
India has Israel as a partner, while Perv has ... ... North Korea.
Atre did not elaborate about the system which India hopes to build jointly with Israel. He said talks are being held between India's Defence Research and Development Organisation and its state-owned Israeli counterpart. Atre denied that Israel was already helping India to build guided missiles and said defence cooperation was confined to research and the development of sensors and fibre-optic gyroscopes for the military. India, which treated Israel like a pariah for decades, has in recent years forged close military links. It is acquiring two Phalcon Airborne Early Warning Systems from the Jewish state at a cost of a billion dollars. On Sunday, India successfully tested its medium-range Agni-II (Fire) missile, which has a maximum range of 2,500 kilometres (1,560 miles) and can carry a one-tonne nuclear warhead.
India is also planning to test its Agni-III missile which has a range exceeding 3,000 kilometres but has not announced a date, reportedly due to pressure from the United States to delay the test. The Indian army has already armed itself with Agni-I missiles, which have a range of 700 kilometres. India and Pakistan held nuclear tests within two weeks of each other in 1998. Since then they twice came close to war in their dispute over Kashmir but relations been recently been improving.
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I was sure Israel had made a deal with India. Does India have some subs too?
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India will be commisioning the first of a batch of nuclear subs in a few years. Israel has tested submarine-fired missiles off the coast of India in the past.
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Yup as I thought, they got a deal. Hope Israel gets some nukes at sea to counter Iran soon.
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Time for us to let NATO die a quiet death and start building a New Entente: US + India + Israel + Turkey + Russia. Asian Century now. Time for a Eurasian alliance that can truly help us vs. the jihadists.
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