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2009-01-05 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israel will seek to use Egypt and PA against Hamas
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Posted by mhw 2009-01-05 00:02|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [916 views ]  Top

#1 This very much sounds like an Olmert mouthpiece.

"and then if Hamas will not agree it will pay the price, mostly by even greater [diplomatic] isolation."

Oh please

I'd rather hear the Tzipi version
Posted by European Conservative 2009-01-05 00:14||   2009-01-05 00:14|| Front Page Top

#2 What is it! Jooooos are so shtupid. Jooos can't live with difference of opinion eh. We need to get rid of Hosni and his Joooos wife and attack Israel from the Egyptian side. Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and Egypt. And a few nukes. Chooose Jew...
Posted by Thilet Smith6893 2009-01-05 05:58||   2009-01-05 05:58|| Front Page Top

#3 You know, I'm going to miss TS6893's wit when the Jooos drain his blood to make matzoh. On the other hand, that's as close TS6893 will ever get to making any contribution to humanity.
Posted by ed 2009-01-05 06:50||   2009-01-05 06:50|| Front Page Top

#4 That blood is poison man! Its prolly black.
Filled with venom and ignorance.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2009-01-05 08:59||   2009-01-05 08:59|| Front Page Top

#5 The Egypt part seems to be working. Per JPost stories, Hamas slugs are in Cairo today begging Egypt for an open border and Egypt is lecturing Hamas on the need to respect Egypt.

The other two legs of this strategy seem weaker.
Posted by mhw 2009-01-05 09:26||   2009-01-05 09:26|| Front Page Top

#6 For the PA side of the equation, I noted Abu Mazen immediately flew to Ne York, ostensibly to press his case at the UN. My theory is that he felt an uncomfortably warm spot on his back right between his shoulder blades in Ramallah and decided NYC was safer.
Posted by Seafarious 2009-01-05 09:44||   2009-01-05 09:44|| Front Page Top

#7 point taken Seafarious

The normative view, as I understand it, is that if the PA were, by EU/UN/Egypt mandate, to take control of Gaza, Hamas would be able to eject them again in 3 months.
Posted by mhw 2009-01-05 10:30||   2009-01-05 10:30|| Front Page Top

#8 Yes mhw, there's a subtext not being reported (surprise, surprise, surprise) to the Israeli pounding of Hamas now, rather than later. Hamas has been insisting that Abu Mazen's term of office as head of the PA officially expires on January 9, and has been rattling sabres and stating that they would bodily remove him from office and install their own guy on that day. The official Fatah position has been that (by calculating from a different date) Abbas still has a full year left in his term.

Israel may be using the pre-inaugural power vacuum to maintain Abbas as head of "government", knowing full well that Hamas was certainly capable of kicking Fatah's skinny butt.
Posted by Seafarious 2009-01-05 10:37||   2009-01-05 10:37|| Front Page Top

#9 Every whackjob Arab wants to nuke Israel. Of course, that means everybody in Gaza will probably be dead in two weeks from fallout, but with Israel gone, who needs them anymore, right?
Posted by tu3031 2009-01-05 10:37||   2009-01-05 10:37|| Front Page Top

#10 Hell, we had ground noise sensors that'd pick up footsteps from 100 yards in 'Nam, used 'em on the Ho Chi Minh trail. Bury some along the border, why dont'ya?
Posted by mojo">mojo  2009-01-05 11:30||   2009-01-05 11:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Hamas would be able to eject them again

That might have been true a month ago. Less certain today. And likelyhood continues to decline as Israel both kills and dishonors them.
Posted by Glenmore 2009-01-05 11:47||   2009-01-05 11:47|| Front Page Top

#12 This very much sounds like an Olmert mouthpiece.


I'm waiting for "I fart in your general direction!" myself.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-01-05 11:57||   2009-01-05 11:57|| Front Page Top

#13 check out the Martin Kramer piece in the Jpost. He makes clear that Israeli is looking for an endgame to the current op where Fatah gets back into Gaza under cover of some international presence, possibly Egyptian. Note Egypt is specifiying that the Rafah crossing will be opened up ONLY if the PA/EU monitors go back.
Posted by liberalhawk 2009-01-05 12:29||   2009-01-05 12:29|| Front Page Top

#14 As I recall, Egypt was not very impressed with their behavior during that impromptu Crash the Border Party a couple months ago.
Posted by swksvolFF 2009-01-05 12:30||   2009-01-05 12:30|| Front Page Top

#15 I see the short bus arrived from Pakistan.
Posted by Pappy 2009-01-05 12:48||   2009-01-05 12:48|| Front Page Top

#16 Gotta suck to be Mazen or...maybe not?
Posted by bradeous 2009-01-05 13:56||   2009-01-05 13:56|| Front Page Top

#17 I can't see how Egypt wants to get involved with this mess in any way, shape or form. Paleos are nothing but trouble.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-01-05 14:40||   2009-01-05 14:40|| Front Page Top

#18 Hamas in gaza is a pain for egypt, and a threat. Both directly as it borders them and hamas has ties with the Egyptian Muslim brotherhoo, and indirecetly, as Hamas interferes with the peace process, the success of which would take away one motive for the street to rise against Mubarak. They DONT want to occupy Gaza themselves, but theyd love Fatah to take it back, and might find a way to help achieve that end.
Posted by liberalhawk 2009-01-05 14:58||   2009-01-05 14:58|| Front Page Top

#19 Read today that Hamas' big brother, Iran, put a bounty on Mubarek's head and the Egyptians are taking it seriously. One suspects Egypt at least is lined up.
Posted by Angens Ghibelline2995 2009-01-05 17:53||   2009-01-05 17:53|| Front Page Top

#20 Ag2995, I suspect you're right. Iran may very well have gone too far for Egypts taste.
Posted by Mike N. 2009-01-05 19:22||   2009-01-05 19:22|| Front Page Top

#21 Anwar Sadat ring a bell? Muslim Brotherhood? You bet the Egyptians take it seriously.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-01-05 19:42||   2009-01-05 19:42|| Front Page Top

#22 JPost says that Mubarak just saw an EU delegation and told them bluntly that Hamas must not be allowed to claim victory. I can imagine the shock to the EU-types.
Posted by mhw 2009-01-05 21:04||   2009-01-05 21:04|| Front Page Top

#23 
Posted by Thilet Smith6893 2009-01-05 21:25||   2009-01-05 21:25|| Front Page Top

#24 Of course, that means everybody in Gaza will probably be dead in two weeks from fallout, but with Israel gone, who needs them anymore, right?

Fallout isn't that big a deal. Yes, some people will get sick and die a little early. But two weeks is way too early. Hiroshima and Nagasaki started rebuilding in months.
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