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Cyber Anarchy - Julian Assange and the slow stupefaction of the state

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Posted by Besoeker 2010-12-09 09:45|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 In practical terms, wikileaks and their secret army of internet vandals represent nothing less than a global coup detat by the media-industrial complex and its adherents.
The objective is to remove the power of governments entirely, at least free or accountable governments, and substitute the media culture as the final arbiter of policy.
Wikileakss supporters and apologists are almost entirely associated with the media culture and its values, including its political arm (democratic socialists, left-leaning parties of all kinds); and its enforcers, (anarchists, NGOs, lefty agitators).
Their targets are non-media power centers of any kind. They have not targeted totalitarian governments for two reasons:
-The media culture's well-documented affinity for totalitarianism (think "Che t-shirt").
-It would not be cost-effective. Totalitarian governments are much less vulnerable to, and accountable for, security leaks; and they are more willing than the democracies to exact a very high price for those leaks.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2010-12-09 17:38|| 2010-12-09 17:38|| Front Page Top

#2 that "secret army of internet vandals" is nothing less than angry people who have nothing organisationally to do with Wikileaks at all, who lashed out at the interference of the State in civic society.

The Government rules at the will of the people.

The Government starts meddling in daily life, the people will remove the Government. We have a vote, remember. Government is answerable at the end of the day to the public.

I don't think Wikileaks' objective is to remove the power of governments entirely at all.

It is simply to hold them accountable so that their actions reflect the will of the people that voted them in.

And as they lie to us the public does not know if that is the case.

As evidence I point out to you the very clear video of US Forces gunning down two Reuters employees standing in a group of people.

You can clearly see the camera is not an AK-47.

Then shooting up as wounded survivors try to get away.

Then shooting up the van that comes to rescue them, which has two children in it.

Then showing the Department of Defence lying about it in statements.

Then a poor-res video was released around the time Reuters was issuing FOI requests... largely to whitewash the incident to make it look like you couldn't tell whether the camera was a weapon.

But the real official video shows everything.

Totalitarian Governments like executing journalists.

It seems our Governments are moving towards totalitarianism: interfering in civic life.

Pressuring companies to cut ties with a media outlet they don't like.

Perverting the organs of law and justice to political ends.

executing journalists

calling for Assange to be executed.

Go check out the video. It's on YouTube.

You've been lied to. See how the Government spins. It's not just the US Government, my Government is just as guilty.

We have an absolute right to be accurately informed about what our Governments are doing - because we are in a democracy.

So if you want to see the truth go to YouTube and look for that Wikileaks video of the Reuters assassinations. It says everything about Wikileaks and why it is important.

Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 18:01|| 2010-12-09 18:01|| Front Page Top

#3 Whether you acknowledge it or not, anon, the effect of wikileaks is to destroy the power of governments, for good or ill.
Whether the anonymous vandal gang has any formal contact with wikileaks is immaterial. They support it and seek to facilitate its objectives.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2010-12-09 18:09|| 2010-12-09 18:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Hello AC

I don't think the effect of Wikileaks will destroy the power of Government.

Government has demonstrated quite well in the last week that it has the power to persecute any and each of us through civic life: the courts, our bank accounts.

The power of Government has grown very large, as has its power to control information through the old media outlets. They do this with secrecy and spin.

Wikileaks' big threat is not to destroy governments but to limit their power and make them more accountable to their people.

Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 18:22|| 2010-12-09 18:22|| Front Page Top

#5 I tend to agree with both sides.

I think Government has diworsified into things force cannot do well, i.e. Education, Schools, Retirement, "welfare", "fairness". This has come at the cost of things State force can do well, as well as cost to wealth creation.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2010-12-09 18:26|| 2010-12-09 18:26|| Front Page Top

#6 every time i start to read one of anon1's fanboy screeds (yes, i know her gender) i get a little sick and have to scroll down to keep from puking on my keyboard.

Posted by abu do you love 2010-12-09 18:40|| 2010-12-09 18:40|| Front Page Top

#7 Posted by: abu do you love 2010-12-09 18:40
You too? I thought it was only me *wink*
Riddle me this Batman:
Obama = Anti American Anti War bring America to its knees. Supported by Soros. End
Wiki punks: same as above.
Wiki does not have any info on Obama. Snort.
When/if snicker Wiki comes up with :
A. College records.
B. Passport from Pakistan
C. Original Birth Certificate (yes I know I know, Birther).
D. ANY dirt on Obama.
Call me @ 1-800-FUOB
In the mean time it's all a dog and pony show.

Posted by Phavirong Wittlesbach7769 2010-12-09 18:57|| 2010-12-09 18:57|| Front Page Top

#8 If you go to Julian's blog (since deleted by him, but can be accessed here) you find the following entry:
Sat 09 Jun 2007 : The United what of America?
When you read that, what does it remind you of?
Maybe Julian fancies himself as being a reincarnation of Mr Beale(played by Peter Finch, another Australian)from Network?

Posted by tipper 2010-12-09 19:53|| 2010-12-09 19:53|| Front Page Top

#9 B. Passport from Pakistan

Why a Pakistani passport, Phavirong Wittlesbach7769? I could understand a Malaysian passport, as his mother's second husband's stepson, or a visa to visit Pakistan, which he did with a Pakistani friend from university, over the Christmas holidays, I believe. What. of the infinite things that I don't know, would suggest President Obama was granted a Pakistani passport?

Posted by trailing wife 2010-12-09 23:11|| 2010-12-09 23:11|| Front Page Top

#10 WikiLeaks isnt out to destroy the government; in their statements, its to destroy some kind of 'accidental conspiracy' of undemocratic forces that they believe have been effectively driving policy for the past decade; by forcing them to either become more secretive or be revealed, WikiLeaks believes that their channels of communication will be degraded to the point that they will not be in charge of policy anymore.

Conspiracy theory stuff, I know, but they're not terrorists or anything, just nutballs inadvertantly doing a lot of damage.

Anon1 is right that the current fiasco shows that the government does have far too much power to persecute people in civic life, but the way to fix that is through the polls, not through vigilantiism.

Just my opinion :P

Posted by HEU 2010-12-09 23:20|| 2010-12-09 23:20|| Front Page Top

#11 Just another in a list of non-state actors - terrorists, pirates, and now these clowns, demonstrating that the 'state' has wrapped itself up with legal rituals to the point of inaction. It is tightening itself into a Gordian knot. The non-state entities are acting outside the law - literally 'outlaws', and the priests of the law can't understand why just more laws aren't working.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-12-09 23:50|| 2010-12-09 23:50|| Front Page Top

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