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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Organs from drug addicts used in transplants
The NHS is abysmal.
Posted by: lotp || 12/10/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [358 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Typical media headline. Organs are in short supply, is it better to have half a loaf rather than none?

If it had gone the other way, the press would be reporting "heartless doctors refuse perfectly good, if a bit used organs"
Posted by: gromky || 12/10/2007 3:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Good Lord! The organleggers turn out to be the guvmint.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 12/10/2007 6:12 Comments || Top||

#3  "Presumed consent" is the ultimate end in the NHS socialism.

The state owns your body.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/10/2007 7:36 Comments || Top||

#4  gromky, addicts have poor nutrition. Addiction screws up a lot of the body's systems.

"Perfectly good" is not at all guaranteed in this situation. Moreover, the transplant recipients were not told of the origin of these organs. Like the guy who got this liver:

one donor died from an overdose of paracetamol which can cause severe liver damage yet the liver was transplanted into a patient.

Now, maybe if told he would have taken the risk. His case was, after all, urgent. But liver transplant is difficult under the best of circumstances. This was incredibly risky for him -- and he wasn't informed.
Posted by: lotp || 12/10/2007 8:30 Comments || Top||

#5  And in case the new liver fails patient will have to go through a second jeopardy.
Posted by: JFM || 12/10/2007 8:42 Comments || Top||

#6  Next they will be telling us Soylent Green really is people.
Posted by: SteveS || 12/10/2007 8:59 Comments || Top||

#7  Liver transplant patients are told the condition of the Liver at least in a in a general way.. It's a fairly involved subject as to what defines a "good" Liver.

anyway In order to ask your Doctors an intelligent question you'd need to have at least some edumaction and background knowledge on the subject.

I'm sure if you are at the point of dying [and most liver transplant patients are btw] you aren't to picky if all that's available for you is a B+ or C- Donor Organ. The difference between a sick totally failed Liver and a less than perfect Liver is like day and night.

Many more folks die from the want of a liver than from a complication from a less than perfect Liver.

I know someone who had Back to Back Liver transplants because the first transplanted liver failed right away.. wouldn't start! [call AAA]
Posted by: RD || 12/10/2007 13:11 Comments || Top||

#8  and just WHY are we NOT using executed criminal's organs (I know, I know, just to put the concept out there in non science-fiction land)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 12/10/2007 15:52 Comments || Top||

#9  Redneck Jim,
That would theoretically be possible, but many types of executions also make the organs unsuitable for organ donation. There was a convict in Florida that appealed his death sentance on the grounds that electrocution would prevent him from being able do donate his organs.

Don't know what became of the case. Maybe some Floridians remember it.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 12/10/2007 17:44 Comments || Top||

#10  Because we'll start executing people for reckless driving, Jim.

Yes, I remember that Larry Niven story.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 12/10/2007 20:48 Comments || Top||


Gunman kills 2 in missionary center
ARVADA, Colo. - A gunman opened fire in a training center dormitory for young Christian missionaries early Sunday after being told he couldn't spend the night, killing two of the center's staff members and wounding two others. No arrests had been made by afternoon.

The shooting happened at about 12:30 a.m. at the Youth With a Mission center in this Denver suburb, police spokeswoman Susan Medina said. A man and a woman were killed and two men were wounded, Medina said. All four were staff members, said Paul Filidis, a Colorado Springs-based spokesman with Youth With a Mission.

The gunman came to the door of the dormitory seeking shelter, asking if he could spend the night, said Peter Warren, director of Youth With a Mission Denver. When told he couldn't stay, the man walked inside, opened fire, then left on foot, Warren said.

Warren said he didn't know if any of the students or staff knew the gunman. He said the man had not been at a Christmas party that staff and students held at the dormitory that evening. "We don't know why" he came to the dormitory, Warren said.

Witnesses told police that the gunman was a 20-year-old white male, wearing a dark jacket and skull cap. He may have glasses or a beard.
Witnesses told police that the gunman was a 20-year-old white male, wearing a dark jacket and skull cap, who left on foot. He may have glasses or a beard.

Police with dogs searched the area through the night, and residents of nearby homes were notified by reverse 911 to be on the lookout. Medina said residents were asked to look out their windows for any tracks left in the snow during the night. About 4 inches of snow had fallen in the area in the past day.

Brady White, who attends Faith Bible Chapel, where the center is located, said students he spoke to called the experience "terrifying."

"They're just wonderful people," White said of the center's students. "Their mission is to know God and to make him known."

Police identified the victims as Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 23. Youth With a Mission said Johnson was from Minnesota and Crouse was from Alaska. Their hometowns weren't immediately available. About 45 people were evacuated from the dormitory and moved to an undisclosed location.
Posted by: Fred || 12/10/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [250 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If the FBI shows up we may never know what really happened.
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/10/2007 8:50 Comments || Top||


4 shot outside Colorado Springs church
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - A gunman opened fire in the parking lot of a Colorado Springs church on Sunday, striking four people, the church's pastor said. The conditions of the people shot outside the New Life Church were not known, El Paso County Sheriff's Lt. Lari Sevene said.

Lance Coles, a pastor at New Life Church, told The Associated Press he received a report that a man was shooting at people in the church parking lot and that the gunman may have entered the church.

It was not immediately known whether the shootings were related to an earlier shooting about 70 miles away in the Denver suburb of Arvada. There, two people died and two were wounded early Sunday when a gunman opened fire in a dormitory at a missionary training center on the campus of Faith Bible Chapel.
Posted by: Fred || 12/10/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [248 views] Top|| File under:

#1  UPDATE: 2nd Victim Dies in New Life Church Shooting A second person victim has died after a shooting at New Life Church on Sunday. The unidentified person died shortly after 10 p.m. Sunday night.
During a late-night conference on Sunday, Colorado Springs Police Chief Richard Myers told reporters a female security guard shot and killed the suspect, after he had already shot 5 New Life members, killing two. One of the victims was treated at the Church and released. Three others were taken to Penrose Hospital. One of those was treated and released. One of the victims died shortly after 10 p.m. Sunday night. The other remains in fair condition.

Meanwhile, Colorado Springs Police have confirmed they are working with Arvada Police on executing a search warrant in connection with the shootings at New Life Church.

(Authorities believe there may be a connection between this shooting and the one at the Youth With a Mission center in Arvada near Denver.)
Posted by: GK || 12/10/2007 2:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Sad, but it could have been worse - glad this security guard was a good shot (and willing to shoot.) It will be interesting to see if there is a connection with the Arvada shooter (could even be the same guy?) Both were presumably violently anti-Christian, and Liberals tend to use the courts rather than guns, so who could possibly be behind it? What ideology might motivate a young man to shoot up a bunch of peaceful practicing Christians?
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/10/2007 8:39 Comments || Top||

#3  This is why no area should be a "Gun Free" zone. Shooter was popped as he entered the church. Good on the security guard for doing what had to be done.
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/10/2007 9:57 Comments || Top||

#4  The man shot five people before an armed security officer confronted him.

She shot and killed the gunman and probably, in the estimation of Chief Myers, "saved many lives today."


She??? Impressive.
from:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/10/arvada-investigators-believe-attacks-linked/
Posted by: Anon4021 || 12/10/2007 11:19 Comments || Top||

#5  They released the victims names.

A father was seriously wounded and his two teenage daughters were killed. Very sad. Good thing they had armed security guards waiting for the shooter as he came inside the building.

And yes, it was a female volunteer security guard that took the slimeball down. There are still unconfirmed reports he had a bulletproof vest on, so that was a good shot if true.
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/10/2007 11:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Also unconfirmed reports he had explosives in his vest as well as planted around the campus. The New Life Church also had a Youth with a Mission office on site, connecting them.
Posted by: Danielle || 12/10/2007 11:40 Comments || Top||

#7  The media initially gave the exact address where the search warrant was executed this morning, then changed it to the block number. I was able to find it in a google search and eventually determine that the home is owned by a prominent area physician. The physician has a 21 year old son.
I won't post the names until there is official confirmation. The family has no radical connections that I could find, but that is scarcely conclusive.
Posted by: Angique Gonque2974 || 12/10/2007 13:43 Comments || Top||

#8  Confirmed: the dead shooter is 21 year old Matthew Murray, son of a prominent neurologist.

I was actually hoping I was wrong about the shooter. Being able to ID him so early from far-off Texas is really kind of spooky. It makes me wonder what a real 'net sleuth could find out about me or anyone else.

Posted by: Angique Gonque2974 || 12/10/2007 14:49 Comments || Top||

#9  When are they going to start calling this a hate crime? Never mind.
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/10/2007 15:06 Comments || Top||

#10  Now I'm gonna have to change my name....
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/10/2007 15:21 Comments || Top||

#11  She??? Impressive

That why they call it "the equalizer".
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/10/2007 15:24 Comments || Top||

#12  I wonder what kind of awards she'll get from feminist organizations?

/s
Posted by: Angique Gonque2974 || 12/10/2007 15:48 Comments || Top||

#13  "God made all men, but Colonel Colt made 'em all equal."
Posted by: mojo || 12/10/2007 17:10 Comments || Top||

#14  Don't hold your breath, AG. Guns are sooo icky!
Posted by: SteveS || 12/10/2007 17:17 Comments || Top||

#15  Just saw the security guard's press conference -- she is deeply religious, and spoke about God being w/her through the ordeal (when she dropped the perp like the sack o' shite he so clearly was) -- you could almost here the press types squirming while she spoke eloquently and thoughtfully about her faith.
Posted by: regular joe || 12/10/2007 19:51 Comments || Top||


Student threatens LA campus shooting
Los Angeles police arrested a 21-year-old Loyola Marymount University student in connection with an online threat to shoot people on campus, officials said Saturday. Police arrested Carlos Huerta, a senior at Loyola, for investigation of making criminal threats. Huerta was taken into custody on Saturday night near his apartment on campus.

Huerta is suspected of posting a message that he would shoot and kill as many people as possible on campus before being killed himself by police, authorities said. The threat appeared on Juicycampus.com, a chat board that describes itself as having the "simple mission of enabling online anonymous free speech on college campuses."

University officials reported the threat to police around 11:30 a.m. on Saturday, said Los Angeles Police Department spokesman Officer Mike Lopez. Calls made to Loyola were not immediately returned. Some officers were dispatched to patrol the campus as a precaution and campus entrances were restricted.

Investigators working with campus officials were eventually able to determine that the threat had come from the computer registered to Huerta, police said. "There was never an indication the threat made was a valid one, and there is no on-going threat to LMU," said Deputy Chief Michael Downing, head of the LAPD Counterterrorism and Criminal Intelligence Bureau.
Posted by: Fred || 12/10/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [265 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "There was never an indication the threat made was a valid one, and there is no on-going threat to LMU,"

Deputy Chief Michael Downing is as insane as the threatening loon.

You threaten a shooting spree--you go to a slammer. Maybe after some years in a slammer a lightbulb will light up. Or maybe not. After consistentl locking up these nuts, chances are there won't be many copy-nuts.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/10/2007 2:02 Comments || Top||

#2  "There was never an indication the threat made was a valid one, and there is no on-going threat to LMU,"
how exactly does one ascertain that this threat isn't a valid one? Yeah, like I want this sheriff protecting my neighborhood, not.
Posted by: Jan || 12/10/2007 18:00 Comments || Top||

#3  No indication? That kind of statement is meant to calm the hysterical, who would otherwise demand a patrolman checking their house every half hour. And perhaps Mr. Huerta had no guns in his house or car when the police picked him up
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/10/2007 19:59 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Al-Gormand criticised for lining his own pockets after £3,300/minute green speech
OMFG/Yow! I enjoyed this pic of Renu Mehta so much I thought I'd share. I started enjoying it more when I realized that she had nothing on under her clothes. Here are some more images without that guy in it. Don't forget to tip Fred if you think they were educational!

Red Dawg, I hear she like spanking and says 'no' a lot! :-)

Al Gore has come under fire for making personal gain from his mission to save the planet – after charging £3,300 a minute to deliver a poorly received speech.
What? Were they all scientists or something?
The former American Vice-President was also accused of being "precious" at the London event, demanding his own VIP room and ejecting journalists, despite hopes the star-studded gathering would generate publicity for the fight against global warming.
They have their agenda, Al has his.
Many of the audience at last month's Fortune Forum summit were restless as Mr Gore, who has won both a Nobel Peace Prize and an Oscar for his campaigning work this year, delivered the half-hour speech that netted him £100,000.

The glittering fundraiser was held in The Royal Courts of Justice and attracted world leaders, entrepreneurs and celebrity activists including Bob Geldof, Darryl Hannah and Jerry Hall, who was there as "a Special Ambassador of The Alliance for a New Humanity". Guests had paid between £1,000 and £50,000 to attend.

But a source told The Mail on Sunday: "Many guests looked tired and began to talk among themselves during his speech. Heads began to twitch with tiredness.
Where the fuc& is Renu? I didn't pay £50,000 to look at this guy!
"Al uses his position for great personal gain. He goes from event to event delivering a similar speech, earning a large fee, and a lot of the time he doesn't actually inform the audience.

"He refused to speak to journalists and security would usher away VIP guests and the Press.

"He was being very precious and demanded his own VIP room before the event, where he held his own exclusive reception.

"The other guests were cut off. It was very clear that many guests were disappointed by this."
Anyone with inside knowledge of the 2000 election knows that this is exactly how AlGore behaved on the campaign trail, and why a lot of campaign workers swore that they'd never work for him again.
Even some of the charities benefitting from the event were unhappy with the actions of 59-year-old Mr Gore and his entourage, especially the way they treated invited guests.
Classic AlGore. The man can't help himself.
Paul Hetherington, media relations manager for WaterAid, said: "Pictures couldn't be taken and people were being moved out of the main hall so they couldn't experience the event. It was very disruptive.

"We had to apologise to people who were invited. We wanted to say thank you for all the support that many people had given us, but some of them were asked to leave.

"Many guests were invited by the hosts, so why should the speaker have any control over these guests and removing the media? It defeated the object of trying to raise awareness of the cause."

A source added: "Al had two people working for him: a woman who was his assistant and a male security officer who enrolled the help of security guards at The Royal Courts of Justice in a military-style operation to guard Al Gore. They took over the show."

However, a spokesman for Mr Gore, who won his Oscar for the polemic documentary An Inconvenient Truth, told The Mail on Sunday: "Mr Gore donates a very small percentage of all of his speaking fees to the Alliance for Climate Protection.

"With regards to the media arrangements, some of Mr Gore's events are open to the media, some of them are not. As you know, he has many open events coming up, including the Nobel Peace Prize.

"Unfortunately, this event had more limited availability. I do apologise for that. He does do his best to speak to reporters as often as possible."

Fortune Forum, which was founded by socialite ex-model Renu Mehta last year with the aim of attracting wealthy philanthropists to large-scale social and environmental projects, declined to comment.
That went well, didn't it? Better donate that £100,000 to charity, Al. Quick.
Not a chance. He has an electric bill to pay back home.
Posted by: gorb || 12/10/2007 03:36 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [647 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The glittering fundraiser was held in The Royal Courts of Justice and attracted world leaders, entrepreneurs and celebrity activists including Bob Geldof, Darryl Hannah and Jerry Hall, who was there as "a Special Ambassador of The Alliance for a New Humanity".

He could not have bored a nicer audience.

However, a spokesman for Mr Gore, who won his Oscar for the polemic documentary An Inconvenient Truth, told The Mail on Sunday: "Mr Gore donates a percentage of all of his speaking fees to the Alliance for Climate Protection.

So, 1% is still a percent right?

Posted by: Excalibur || 12/10/2007 8:56 Comments || Top||

#2  heh, heh. I bet that picture has Tipper pi**ed.

As for his fee, foolz and their money, if you ask me.
Posted by: Whomong Guelph4611 || 12/10/2007 9:51 Comments || Top||

#3  The author writes as though this is a surprise. Gore's been 'receiving' honoraria for years; the only 'surprise' is the amount / rate charged.
Posted by: Raj || 12/10/2007 10:20 Comments || Top||

#4  The Goracle has been profiting off the Global warming sham for years. It is the only reason he doesn't run for president. Milking the stupid is much more profitable.
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/10/2007 10:55 Comments || Top||

#5  Well, I just learned something, I thought "polemic documentary" meant something else, I didn't know it meant "Lying sack of shit".

You live and learn.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 12/10/2007 16:06 Comments || Top||

#6  that is about $6,750/minute or $405,000/hour
Posted by: swksvolFF || 12/10/2007 17:38 Comments || Top||

#7  "that is about $6,750/minute or $405,000/hour"

I absolutely hate being up in front of other people.

But for that amount of money (hell, even half that amount), I will get up in front of a roomful of strangers - or even people I know - and talk more entertaining bullshit that AlBore does.

Or better yet, I'll do the talking over a videoconference link and save a shitload of "carbon."
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 12/10/2007 19:48 Comments || Top||

#8  Anyone know if BJ Clinton still commands higher appearance fees than the Goracle, Oscar and Nobel notwithstanding?
Posted by: doc || 12/10/2007 21:49 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Man trapped in bowling club toilet for four days
A retired teacher survived on tap water after getting trapped in a freezing bowling club toilet with no food or mobile phone for four days. mDavid Leggat was trapped at Kittybrewster and Woodside Bowling Club after the door to the gents jammed behind him.
Trapped like Mars flies in a Klein Bottle.
The 55-year-old spent 16 hours of each day in darkness and, in a desperate bid to keep warm in the freezing building, he dipped his feet in hot water. "I did a survival course once and knew I had to keep my feet warm, so I kept running a basin of hot water and putting my feet in, to send the heat through my body," he xplained to the Aberdeen Evening Express.

Mr Leggat was eventually freed after Cathy Scollay, the club's cleaner, heard his cries for help.
'ELP ME!!! SOMEBODY 'ELP ME!!! I'M LOCKED IN THE LOO!!!
Mr Leggat's ordeal began last Monday afternoon when he entered the bathroom and the inside handle to the door jammed. A few days earlier the outside handle had fallen off.
Damn! Too bad it's illegal to carry a Leatherman. Now I am in deep.
The bowler said he quickly realised he was in for a long wait as the club is rarely used in winter.
Holy smoke. I could die in here.
Mr Leggat, who recently retired from Kemnay Academy, where he taught English and history, said: "I was lucky to get three hours' sleep a night."

Ms Scollay, who keeps her cleaning equipment in the gents, discovered Mr Leggat on Thursday morning.
G'Morning, Mr. Leggat. Wat are you doing here so early in the morning?
She said today: "I put on the light as normal, pushed the door and just heard a voice shouting 'you can't get in here, I have been locked in here for four days'. I just couldn't believe it."

Ms Scollay could not manage to free Mr Leggat, so she called club secretary Bob Ewing, who used a screwdriver to open the door.
Resourceful chap he was.
"David looked awfully grey and shaky when he came out," Ms Scollay said. "But he managed to walk up the road to his house."

"Nobody had been looking for David. A wife may have wondered where he was but he is not married," she said.
If he was married, and the missus was worried about him, would she look in the Loo at the bowling club?
Mr Leggat told the Evening Express: "At least there was a toilet to use. The only thing I regret is not getting trapped behind the bar."
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/10/2007 13:25 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [421 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I would have kept warm by kicking the crap out of that door until it opened. Unless it's steal and reinforced with a bar it should have given before the 4 days.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 12/10/2007 14:08 Comments || Top||

#2  A wife may have wondered where he was but he is not married

She would not have bought the alibi either!
Posted by: Capsu78 || 12/10/2007 15:01 Comments || Top||

#3  He was pinned, but his life was spared.
Posted by: Erk || 12/10/2007 15:11 Comments || Top||

#4  He was pinned, but his life was spared.

The Masked Punman strikes again!
Posted by: Mike || 12/10/2007 15:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Most toilets dorrs open inward, towards the loo. It's a building code thing.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 12/10/2007 16:18 Comments || Top||

#6  A door that opens inward is only held closed by the doorjamb which is held in place by nails and paint. Most doors are also made of wood that can splinter given enough of a beating.

This guys retired, perhaps he's really old and incapable of beating the door down, or making enough noise before his friends left that he wasn't left behind.

Still, I would have tried.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 12/10/2007 16:46 Comments || Top||

#7  should've used his belt buckle to drive the hinge pins out, then slide the belt under the door and pull back to take it off the hinges.

/MacGyver
Posted by: Frank G || 12/10/2007 19:20 Comments || Top||

#8  On my person I always carry a good folding knife and a pocket lithium flashlight. They are pretty comforting things if you get stuck anywhere, but especially in a building during a power failure, or an elevator.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/10/2007 20:53 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Cow manure and Shakedown posters: How to answer Jesse Jackson
HT: Malkin

Made my day, hope it does your's

Jesse Jackson’s anti-gun protest came and went this week. But I bet you didn’t hear about this. One gun shop targeted by the race hustler didn’t sit by quietly:

A northwest suburban gun manufacturer was the focus yesterday as two high-profile Chicago clergy leaders led a demonstration outside the plant. Revs. Jesse Jackson and Michael Pfleger, along with about 150 anti-gun violence protesters, were met by dozens of Lake Barrington residents and pro-gun enthusiasts when they arrived outside of D.S. Arms gun manufacturer.

This was the fifth anti-gun demonstration organized by Jackson and Pfleger. The previous protests were held outside of gun shop in Riverdale and Melrose Park. This time the duo wanted to up the ante. “We do not manufacture guns in American cities. They come from places like this. Chicago is voted gun dry. We want Barrington to vote gun dry,” Jackson told supporters as pro-gun supporters countered that they had the right to exercise the Second Amendment — the right to bear arms.

D.S. Arms, a 20-year-old institution, manufactures semi-automatic assault rifles and does not sell to the public. They have about 20 clients, consisting of law enforcement and the military, said Michael Danworth, legal counsel for the company.Gun advocates sent a foul message to Jackson and his supporters.

…In addition to enlarged posters of the book cover Shakedown: Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson hanging outside the plant, cow manure was spread in the middle of the road reserved for the rally and march. The area had to be cleaned before the protest began. When asked if the D.S. had knowledge of why the manure was on the road, an attorney for the company said no, but speculated as to why it was there.

“When you have got what we see in Rev. Jackson coming out here and promoting disinformation, to us that stinks to high heaven,” Danworth told reporters.
Dang, that’s good dung-slinging.
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/10/2007 15:08 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [256 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I understand the Supreme court is currently working on the Constitution's ban on all gun laws, I'm looking forward to their realization that the constitution really does mean what it says, and ALL gun laws are abolished, I want to see Rev Jesse spin like a top as his bullshit is snatched away from him.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 12/10/2007 16:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh, he won't stop. He'll find another way to cadge money.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 12/10/2007 16:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Redneck Jim: There are three ways the case is being presented. As far as D.C. was concerned, the issue was:

"Whether the Second Amendment forbids the District of Columbia from banning private possession of handguns while allowing possession of rifles and shotguns."

Heller replied that the question was broader, to wit, "Whether the Second Amendment guarantees law-abiding, adult individuals a right to keep ordinary, functional firearms, including handguns, in their homes."

The SCOTUS finally decided that the case is about:

Whether the following provisions, D.C. Code 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), and 7-2507.02, violate the Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns and other firearms for private use in their homes?

This means that the SCOTUS took the more expansive view. However, this still leaves up in the air how they will address the issue:

1) Narrow. Only the D.C. laws are invalid. Other gun control regulations have to be challenged separately.

2) Medium. That typical local and State gun control laws cannot infringe on individual gun ownership in private homes only. Leaving open the right of local and state governments to restrict the carrying "bearing" of guns in public. Federal law being unaffected.

3) Expansive. Local, State and federal law must have provisions so that any citizen may own and carry firearms. This would most likely exclude weapons long excluded, like machine guns and explosives, defining "arms" as solely firearms.

Each of these three things can also be the result of the SCOTUS finding in favor of the D.C. laws. That is, it might apply to just D.C., or across the country to several degrees.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/10/2007 18:39 Comments || Top||


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Car Prototype Generates Electricity, And Cash
The price of oil nearly reached $100 a barrel recently, but a new University of Delaware prototype vehicle demonstrates how the cost of the black stuff could become a concern of the past.

A team of UD faculty has created a system that enables vehicles to not only run on electricity alone, but also to generate revenue by storing and providing electricity for utilities. The technology--known as V2G, for vehicle-to-grid--lets electricity flow from the car’s battery to power lines and back.

...The Car: Manufactured by vehicle technology company AC Propulsion; formerly a Toyota Scion, which was chosen because it is light yet provides plenty of passenger room

Emissions: The car itself produces no carbon dioxide emissions

Acceleration: 0 to 60 miles per hour in 7 seconds

Top Speed: 95 miles per hour

Range: 120 highway, 150 city

Battery Life: 5 years or about 50,000 miles (being tested and verified)

Recharge: 2 hours using 240-volt plug or overnight using 110-volt plug

Maintenance: No oil changes; brakes last three times longer because the car has regenerative braking, a mechanism that slows the car and returns power to the battery


Not an expert, but sounds too good to be true
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/10/2007 15:44 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [437 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That last question gets Kempton, who also is involved in College of Marine and Earth Studies research on offshore wind farms, the most excited. He explained that even if the electricity used to charge the car is produced by a coal-fired power plant, the car itself produces no carbon dioxide emissions. If a wind farm fuels the electricity from the power plant, he explained, the car and its power source would be emissions free.

Mass-production of electric cars will require a lot of nuclear power plants.
Posted by: mrp || 12/10/2007 16:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like great news, however I think it will be some time before powerlines will be ready to receive power.
Posted by: Helmuth, Speaking for Cromong3228 || 12/10/2007 17:25 Comments || Top||

#3  The Second law of thermodynamics could not be reached for comment.

But someone mentioned that the car would have to be a net generator of electricity.

Maybe if you only drive it downhill....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/10/2007 18:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Yuh never mind the energy cost going into PRODUCING the car...
Posted by: Valentine || 12/10/2007 19:02 Comments || Top||

#5  It's not too good to be true. It already exists. I test drove a Phoenixmotor all electric SUV.

But go ahead and poo poo it. I know you guys would rather be slaves to OPEC.
Posted by: Penguin || 12/10/2007 19:32 Comments || Top||

#6  CrazyFool, the car uses regenerative braking to convert movement back into store energy.

The 2nd law of thermodynamics is safe. ;-)
Posted by: lotp || 12/10/2007 19:49 Comments || Top||

#7  It sounds like a lovely little running about town car. Not good for distances, though. But 7 seconds to get to 60 mph? Isn't that rather a lot?
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/10/2007 19:55 Comments || Top||

#8  Since braking involves some application of friction by definition (regardless of clever dynamo-braking schemes) the idea that you could get energy *out* of an electric car (as opposed to using it more efficiently than an electric car without said clever dynamo-braking schemes) is flatly ludicrous.

I had a car salesman tell me today that some new "soft-hybrid" trucks make really nifty portable generators for camping and the like. Still requires gasoline in the tank to keep the laws of thermodynamics at bay, though.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 12/10/2007 20:00 Comments || Top||

#9  "But PJM requires at least 300 megawatts to purchase power. That means the UD team and its collaborators must get 300 cars up and running."
No way that's right. Not 1 megawatt per car. No way.
Posted by: Darrell || 12/10/2007 20:04 Comments || Top||

#10  1 megawatt = 1,341 horsepower
Posted by: Darrell || 12/10/2007 20:07 Comments || Top||

#11  Braking while returning energy to the battery is similar to braking by putting the engine into low gear and letting the wheels drive the engine; you can use that to drive a motor and generate electricity for that battery. This is efficient at high speeds. But at low speeds, to come to a full stop, you still need regular friction brakes.
Posted by: Skunky Angeack7024 || 12/10/2007 20:33 Comments || Top||

#12  It's call Vehicle to Grid (V2G) where an electric vehicle stores cheap off peak electricity and sells it back to the electric grid at peak times (and rates). The catch is that battery technology is not mature and has a limited lifetime. The best batteries are guaranteed for 2000 cycles. At $1200/kWh (my guess), that gives a cost of $.60 + the cost of electricity for each kiloWatt hour stored. That makes it not cost effective and a waste of precious battery capacity. V2G will have to wait until batteries are guaranteed for at least 20,000 cycles and lithium ion battery costs fall (mass production not likely ever to be less than $400/kWh).

At better alternative would be to have large insulated pools of water in our cities, chilled with off peak electricity in summer, heated in winter and then circulate it among the office buildings during the day. But this also requires new infrastructure build.
Posted by: ed || 12/10/2007 20:35 Comments || Top||

#13  How much more grant money do they need to prove this one? Collaborators=Miscreants=algores?
Let's see W(P)=IxE, so 1MegWatt(P)=~4KAmpsx240V, or is that 2KAmps per hour using 240volts. Hmmm. No problem there. Bigger fuses are cheap. Particularly the Maroon ones.
Posted by: Phinater Thraviger || 12/10/2007 20:42 Comments || Top||

#14  Cars USE energy... If you want to buy electricity during off-peak and drop it on the grid during peak why should you buy a car around your battery pack? Never mind the car just buy the batteries & the charging system. Cuts down on the overhead but will probably still lose money.
Posted by: Throger Thains8048 || 12/10/2007 22:24 Comments || Top||



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