Hook-handed Islamic extremist Abu Hamza has contracted gangrene in the stump of his left arm which could delay his extradition to the United States. God did it.
Told him to use more than one square at a time but he doesn't listen to infidels ...
Hamza was due to face a four-day hearing at Woolwich Crown Court to decide whether he should be sent to the US to face terrorism charges. His legal team fears he could be held with other al Qaeda suspects and possibly tortured at the notorious Guantanamo Bay detention centre.
On Monday he was taken from his cell at Belmarsh for an operation under general anaesthetic at a London hospital where surgeons removed one and a half inches of bone. Hamza, 48, is serving a seven-year jail term at Belmarsh high security prison for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred. Today Hamza appeared tired and pale in the dock with heavy bandaging around the base of his left arm.
Senior District Judge Timothy Workman adjourned the case for consultations to see if Hamza would be fit enough to attend and understand the detailed proceedings. Hamza, 48, was jailed for seven years in February last year for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred. In later hearings at the Old Bailey he was also made liable for more than £1 million of legal aid he had received for his defence costs. The court heard that Hamza had filed "inaccurate and false information" about his financial interests, claiming poverty when he was still paying towards his childrens private school fees.
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This could be interesting; several years ago, a co-worker decided to lube the chain of his motorcycle whilst on the center stand and in gear ( it being so tedious to manually rotate the tire to get to the entire chain, don'chano?)
anyway, clipped the end of his index finger off and the medics flushed it and just sewed the end shut since the trimmins' were too amall and fragged to mess with. fast forward three years and his entire right hand is gone, because it seems the gangrene set in and multiple attempts to clean it out were less than successful.
we can only hope for a similiar fate with cap'n al-hook.
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Cut it off at the shoulder, pack him in dry ice and ship him to Cuba via slow freighter. Why do we want to feed this useless turd ? We'll never extract anything useful from him. Do we have sharks in a glass tank there at the bay that need to be fed ?
If I ran for my life everytime the UN told me to, my legs would be damn tired...
UNITED NATIONS --Increasing global temperatures and land degradation are forcing more people to migrate, creating a wave of environmental refugees who need U.N. protection, a professor at the United Nations University said. So where are they migrating to...Jupiter?
Janos Bogardi on Wednesday urged the United Nations to recognize that droughts, earthquakes, hurricanes and other environmental factors -- many of which are worsening because of climate change -- have played a role in the migration of millions of people worldwide. Jeez, I'll bet that's never happened before... Accurate, comprehensive numbers on environmental migrants are hard to come by, Bogardi said, since migrants often leave home for a variety of reasons. An opinion based on a lack of accurate, comprehensive numbers? Well, who can argue with that...
Still, Yeah, we'll breeze right by the above statement...
the U.N. refugee agency estimated in 2002 that there were about 24 million people worldwide who had fled floods, famine and other poor environmental conditions. A report from 2005 by Norman Myers, a professor of environmental science at Duke University, estimated that by 2010 about 50 million people will have migrated for environmental reasons. ...and political reasons, and economic reasons, and...maybe they're just sick of living in some third world shithole.
The Indian Ocean tsunami of December 2004 displaced more than 2 million people, many of whom are still in refugee camps, according to a 2006 report from the U.N.'s office for tsunami recovery. Yeah, refugee camps probably twenty miles from where they lived...
Bogardi, director of the university's Institute for Environment and Human Security based in Bonn, Germany, said many in the international community are wary of addressing environmental migration because they fear the vague term might water down current U.N. protections for refugees. I speak UN, I'll translate. Money, money, money...
"If we overload the (U.N. convention), we are weakening one of the strongest tools for protecting refugees," he told a panel discussion at U.N. headquarters. The United Nations "should find other means of helping environmental migrants," he said. Maybe they can give them all jobs as waiters at five star resorts?
Bogardi also said that environmental factors often lie at the root of more obvious causes of migration. Competition for scarce resources may end in violent conflict, for instance. Over-mining or excessive deforestation -- driven by tremendous need in impoverished countries -- may result in land degradation and thus forced migration, he said. Bogardi suggested that either the U.N. should adopt a new convention aimed solely at protecting environmental migrants or that provisions for such migrants should be included in international environmental treaties. Maybe they could sell their carbon credits? I'll bet they'd have plenty...
He proposed three broad categories to distinguish among people who leave their homes: those who are influenced only in part by worsening environmental conditions, those who leave to escape the worst effects of a poor environment, and those who are forced to flee a disaster. My father used to spend most of the winter in Florida because, after Korea and thirty years of being a firefighter in Boston winters, he hated the friggin cold. What kind of "environmental migrant" would the professor consider him?
Bogardi said that, like other migrants, environmental migrants most often flee the developing world for richer countries. But he added that no country is exempt from the negative effects of climate change."Vulnerability is with us all," he said, noting that more than 75,000 people are thought to have died from the 2003 heat wave in Western Europe. 75,000? Can I see those numbers please? Or do I just take your word for it?
He also pointed to Hurricane Katrina which devastated the U.S. Gulf Coast in August 2005, temporarily displacing 1.5 million people. Estimates indicate as many as 300,000 of those displaced will never return home, he added. And I wonder who he blames for that? Not Gaia, I'll bet...
Still, he said, developing countries will be the least able to cope with environmental change and should receive the most help from international organizations to both rehabilitate salvageable land and to assist the safe passage of people from places that are no longer inhabitable. But what about the good news professor. This will keep their carbon footprints amazingly low...
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Care to compare these nonexistent refugee camps to those displaced by evil and incompetent ideologies and dictators?
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He's really got the schtick down. There are plenty of people dumb enough to believe this tripe and send money. Since when does Climate change cause tsunami creating earthquakes? Scientific evidence? Actual figures? This guy's con-artist.
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What are the Odds the number of political refugees coming into Europe from islamic nations drops significantly (as European people wise up) but the number of climage change refugees from the islamic world rises by the same number (as European elites refuse to wise up).
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As far as I can tell, the United Nations University is a scam by marginal transnational-spirited professors interested in puffing up their c.v.s by exchanging titles & recognition of their bogus "decentralized 'network of networks'" research centres. There doesn't seem to be a student body, nor is this university actually funded by the United Nations (Thank god!)
And I'd like to know how the tsunami refugee crisis was in any way related to global warming...
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More useless nonsense from clueless elected officials who haven't been properly briefed on what's going on in Bangladesh.
DHAKA - Fifteen US senators including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton have urged Bangladeshs army-backed interim government to end emergency rule and hold elections. In a letter to Fakhruddin Ahmed, head of the interim authority, they called for an announcement within the next two months of a roadmap towards free and fair elections to be held as soon as possible.
Or maybe not: The recently publicized letter bearing 15 signatures of US Senators has turned out to be a forgery. Several of the US senators' offices have confirmed that no such letter was sent to the Chief Advisor. CA's office also confirmed that no such letter was received.
Bangladesh has been under a state of emergency since January 11, imposed in the wake of deadly violence between supporters of former prime ministers Begum Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina. An election planned for Jan. 22 was cancelled and all political activity banned.
We are troubled that the indoor ban on political activity was not lifted, as planned, on May 8, the senators said. Moreover, we are concerned by the lack of progress towards free and fair elections in Bangladesh.
I'm troubled that the Senators haven't educated themselves, and concerned that their meddling will make things worse, not better.
Fakhruddin has said he hopes to hold an election before the end of 2008, while the Election Commission said it would not be rushed by what other nations were saying.
"So buzz off!"
Khaledas Bangladesh Nationalist party (BNP) and Hasinas Awami league are also demanding an early election and the immediate lifting of the ban on indoor political activity.
Of course they do -- they each think they'll win and use the results to wreck the other whilst using prybars to steal everything that's nailed down. That's what got B-desh into the mess it's in in the first place.
The US senators lauded the efforts of the government to address corruption, saying that it was critically important that any anti-corruption campaign be implemented in conjunction with Bangladeshi law and international standards.
Say, we could try that in Washington ...
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Ask any or all of the 15 to find Bangladesh on the map....3 tries, no help from the staffers. Loosers get to stfu on foreign issues, winners get to stfu anyway.
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If it's Billary, I'm sure it was only a "symbolic" urging
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In a letter to Fakhruddin Ahmed, head of the interim authority, they called for an announcement within the next two months of a roadmap towards free and fair elections to be held as soon as possible.
The interim government has claimed that it has not yet received any letter from the United States senators as reported in the media. The chief adviser has not received any such letter, law adviser Mainul Hosein told New Age on Thursday in response to a query.
Fifteen influential US senators, including Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Edward Kennedy, have reportedly urged the caretaker government to promptly lift the state of emergency and restore full civic and political rights to all the citizens of Bangladesh. Mainul said he saw the report in the newspapers, but to his surprise he found that the chief adviser has not received any such letter.Even our foreign ministry is not aware of the matter, he added. According to newspaper reports, in a letter to chief adviser Fakhruddin Ahmed, dated May 14, the US senators also called for announcing within next two months a roadmap for free and fair elections to be held as soon as possible with the input of the opinions of political parties and civil society leaders so that democracy can be restored soon. Mainul said the news was confusing. The foreign ministry has been asked to look into the matter, he told reporters.
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LONDON - Finance minister Gordon Brown was set to be effectively crowned as Britains next prime minister on Thursday, after his sole rival to succeed Tony Blair conceded defeat. Browns left-wing challenger John McDonnell admitted late Wednesday that he could not rally the 45 lawmakers signatures required to be nominated as a candidate in the internal contest for the leadership of the Labour Party. That means that Brown, 56, is set to be officially named Labours leader on June 24 and prime minister on June 27, the departure dates Blair announced last week after 10 years in power.
Critics lament that the lack of a leadership contest will lead to the coronation of Brown as prime minister, without either a general election or a vote within his own party. Under Britains electoral rules the prime minister is the leader of the biggest party in parliament.
It is a great shame that Labour Party members will now not be allowed a vote on the leader of their party or the partys future direction, said McDonnell, while congratulating Brown and wishing him success. The latest update on Labours website showed that Brown had the backing of 307 Labour MPs.
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uh, oh - he has one of those dead eyes. Hmmmm, I hope there is a physical reason for it other than him being a psycho.
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Re the UK, the Prince Harry decision nicely confirms the diagnosis pretty much cinched by the Iranian affair of a few weeks back. Difficult to resist writing off the UK as a serious country. Naturally the intel services and cops will continue to be outstanding and helpful (as is the case in most otherwise useless-or-worse Euro states, incl. Fwance) - but the US now is truly alone as a military power among the civilized nations (time that phrase made a come-back).
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I wish I understood the British parliamentary system better. Shouldn't there be an election soon? If not, when?
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Maximum of 5 years between elections. I don't know if there is a minimum. As long as the same party maintains its majority, it can play musical chairs all it wants with the cabinet posts, including PM.
Two Venezuelans accused of staging an overthrow of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez in April 2002 have applied for refugee status in Costa Rica, Public Security Minister Fernando Berrocal told the press yesterday. These former Venezuelan military agents, identified as Néstor González and Henry López, have already presented their requests to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) a necessary step in the process of gaining refugee status, and their case is now being considered by the General Immigration Administration. When the case has been ruled on, it will be made public by Presidency Minister Rodrigo Arias, Berrocal said.
MOSCOW - Russias federal customs service said on Thursday it had filed a suit claiming $22.5 billion in damages from Bank of New York Co BK.N. The Federal Customs Service (FCS) confirms the fact of a filing of the suit against the Bank of New York, Andrey Strukov, head of the customs service legal department, said in a statement e-mailed to news agencies. The Federal Customs Service is filing the suit against the Bank of New York for $22.5 billion in damages inflicted against the Russian Federation.
The Bank of New York representative office in Moscow was not answering phone calls on Thursday afternoon. The banks European chief spokesman was not immediately available for comment. The banks headquarters in New York also had no immediate comment.
A former Bank of New York vice president and her husband were sentenced last year to six months home confinement after admitting to involvement in a $7 billion Russian money-laundering conspiracy. Lucy Edwards, a former vice president in the banks Eastern European division, and her husband Peter Berlin pleaded guilty to conspiring to help move laundered funds through accounts at the bank. Bank of New York in 2005 agreed to pay $38 million to resolve a long-running federal probe into the conspiracy.
No one's allowed to steal from Mother Russia! Except Vlad and his pals ...
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Looks like Russia is making a power play to control the $$$ of the US and Asian mafias. considering the BNY's already well-known reputation within the US Fed.
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The Bush administrations pro-China policies are the result of the growing power of two key players: Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolton. Both are staunchly pro-Beijing and have sought to prevent Chinas repressive human rights practices and unfair trade policies from influencing U.S. policy, said administration officials opposed to their pro-China policies. They also have sought to make sure that U.S. national security officials are not permitted to influence China policy with growing concerns about Chinas military buildup and intelligence activities. Who are they working for? Chicoms, themselves, or the US? We wouldn't like to get silly details like human rights violations and ripoff trade policies to get in the way of their business.
Both Paulson and Bolton are former Goldman Sachs executives. The financial company, which has made hundreds of millions of dollars in business in China, is believed to be involved in a national conflict of interest in that it is headquartered in the United States.
Paulson said in a recent speech that U.S. trade with China is helping to reduce influence and he supports the Strategic Economic Dialogue since it is supposed to help the economic relations between both nations.
According to U.S. sources, Paulson said in March 8 speech in Beijing that China is a non-market economy with a tightly managed currency and is unnaturally integrated into the global economy in goods and services but not on capital markets and currency. He urged more flexibility by China in the short term so it can get to real market determination...and the key to that is capital markets reform.
Concerning Congress' role in China policy, Paulson said: Its very important. I explain to China that people on both sides of the aisle are concerned about trade issues, and they reflect the concerns of the American people ... look at the poll data ... many people are beginning to question whether the benefits [of trade] are shared equally, distributed equally. I very strongly believe that trade is better than isolationism. Trade has indeed worked very well, for you, sir.
Paulson said he hesitated before taking the Treasury post because he feared protectionist sentiment in the United States and nationalism and protectionist sentiment in China.
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I think the only thing that will budge China will be an organized boycott of Chinese goods aimed at the retailers here, as Zenster has ranted about so much lately, and class-action lawsuits aimed at retailers who use inferior and dangerous Chinese products - e.g. recent pet food poisoning. These criminal trade practices do seem to the the norm in China, but the large buyers of Chinese goods won't care until they're made to care. Hell, add in the "Free Tibet" angle to get the lefties on board. The recent action to try to boycott the Beijing Olympics seems to be getting some attention.
I'm probably pissing into the wind, but I'm sick and tired of subsidizing the largest totalitarian regime on Earth, and I plan to shop much more carefully and let the retailers know that.
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Good luck, xbalanke. I avoid the "Made in China" label as much as possible but it's discouraging when damn near everything is "Made in China". You might find a T-shirt here and there but we forfeited our manufacturing and can't really make much of anything anymore. This story just confirms what anybody with any sense already figured out which is that somebody, somewhere in this country is making lots and lots of money from the China trade and is willing to risk national security to keep on making it. I blame Bush and I really mean it this time.
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"Largest totalitarian regime on earth" > CHENEY already said it few years back - iff CHINA, etc. want wealth and modernity, they have to de-regulate. Personally, I'd trust a Chicom more than a Soviet = SovCom/RusCom, and as said before MAO-ISM in its original premises is ideo much closer to Western DemoCapitalism, DemoLibertarianism + DemSocialism-Euro-Socialism than SOVIETISM/STALINISM. Mao went off the track when he began listening to Stalin + the Moscow Boyz. IOW, NUTSHELL - MAO-ISM IS "RIGHTISM", MAO-ISM IS SO-CALLED "FASCISM". TRICK FOR DUBYA-USA IS TO KEEP CHINA ON THE RIGHT. MAO-ISM IS AS CLOSE TO CAPITALISM + MATERIALISM-CONSUMERISM AS A DEDICATED COMMIE CAN HOPE TO GET, AND STILL CALL HIMSELF A COMMIE OR SOCIALIST.
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Both Paulson and Bolton are former Goldman Sachs executives. The financial company, which has made hundreds of millions of dollars in business in China, is believed to be involved in a national conflict of interest in that it is headquartered in the United States.
Some might even call it treason.
I think the only thing that will budge China will be an organized boycott of Chinese goods aimed at the retailers here, as Zenster has ranted about so much lately, and class-action lawsuits aimed at retailers who use inferior and dangerous Chinese products - e.g. recent pet food poisoning.
Thank you for understanding, xbalanke. Although the GWoT and current immigration bill areto an understandable extenthogging the limelight, eventually China must be made to pay the piper.
This story just confirms what anybody with any sense already figured out which is that somebody, somewhere in this country is making lots and lots of money from the China trade and is willing to risk national security to keep on making it. I blame Bush and I really mean it this time.
All you need to do is examine where Bush's campaign funding comes from and it becomes very clear why he has turned such a blind eye on the China issue. With this immigration bill loomingmore than ever beforeAmericans are being sold straight down the river.
China represents a much larger threat than international terrorism. The regional and global hegemony they seek would involve human rights violations on par with a global Islamic caliphate. America's politicians are such money grubbing filth that they no longer give a damn where the cash comes from so long as it flows into their pockets. Just as this tainted cash funds their re-election, so do they give a damnas in the immigration billabout where they get the votes that return them to office.
NATO is investigating the mass cyber attacks launched on Estonian websites over the past three weeks. It's the first time, as far as is known, that there has been such an assault on a state. Many government and corporate sites in the hi-tech Baltic nation have been crippled for almost three weeks after being flooded with enormous amounts of traffic.
Prime Minister Andrus Ansip had claimed that some of the cyber-attacks, which forced the authorities in the tiny Baltic state to temporarily shut down Web sites, came from Russian government computers, including the president's office.
But Tallinn has now backed away from such explicit accusations. Estonia's defence minister Jaak Aaviksoo said there was a possibility of Russian involvement in the attacks that involved at least one million computers. The Kremlin has dismissed the accusations, saying hackers could have used a false IP address to tarnish the Russian authorities.
"No, no, certainly not!"
The start of the cyber-attacks coincide with the start of a row with the Kremlin over the removal from central Talinn of a post-World War II memorial to Soviet Red Army soldiers.
The NATO spokesman remained vague on the question of Russian involvement. "It's not that easy because of the nature of cyber space," he said. He added that "various indications" had been identified. But he said that tracking and identifying the cyber attackers was not the primary goal of the investigations. "Our aim ultimately is protection."
He told AFP, "We do see it as serious because it was concerted. It's clearly not the sort of thing that two teenagers, for whatever their motives, do. We are talking about a pretty well-organised thing."
"This is a special case because of the scale of this attack. So of course allies are going to help and we are not just treating this as an Estonian problem, of course it is a problem for NATO," the spokesman added.
At present, NATO does not define cyber attacks as clear military action. This means the provisions of collective self-defence would not apply to the attacked country. US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte told a number of leading European newspapers on Friday that cyber attacks were likely to become more of an issue in the future.
A common method of achieving such attacks is by hijacking computers belonging to normal web surfers using a virus or other malware picked up from an infected e-mail attachment or by visiting a website that hosts such malware.
Estonia, which has a large Russia minority, is a pioneer in the development of e-government and a very wired society. This also makes it very vulnerable to cyber attacks.
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RUSSIA > SEEKS FIRST-STRIKE [First-Use + TacNukes]CAPABILITY AGZ BMD BASES IN EUROPE. D *** ng it, Russia wants to make it clear AGAIN that IRAN and others will never Never NEVER N-E-V-E-R NNNNEEEEEEEEVVVVVEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR, D *** YOU, develop ICBM's or LR nuke missles, ergo SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH recent MUSUDAN test invol NORTH KOREA.
Its better to heal a Musli-boy, than to mend a Musli-man.
...Two General Intelligence reports (RG) on "the profile and detection of jihadist cells" set out the response that the intelligence services are putting in place. This method is called "early detection." Under the section on "enhancing awareness and partnership," the RG explains that "activities to enhance awareness of the Islamist phenomenon have been conducted out vis-a-vis other domestic security services," such as the Border Police and Public Security, but also "in the administrations, prisons and public hospitals."
The service envisages "a minimum level of knowledge about the detection of clear pointers (activities, attitudes, rhetoric) within the context of common crime" and of "characteristic cultural, and linguistic" factors "that could alert the specialized services." Last, a "partnership with the business world" has been launched.
"Tiny minority"
According to RG, the identification of "simple signs" such as unauthorized prayer at the workplace or "changes of behaviour with women" sometimes permit "the identification of individuals who could lapse into radicalization." This approach is considered all the more necessary inasmuch as "the profile of recruits (is) changing," the newcomers "increasingly lacking any significant religious or political engagement, usually unknown, and in any case not listed as jihadists." The intelligence services therefore fear the development of "a phenomenon of spontaneous generation of radical Islamists, a potential pool for terrorists."
Of course, this "early detection" faces a number of dangers - that of stigmatizing individuals and thus accelerating, rather than curbing, their radicalization; and that of the police services' becoming overwhelmed by huge numbers of reports. DST Director Pierre de Bousquet de Florian, who does not believe in the danger of any "blanket" attitude or of any avalanche of reports from informants, said that "the individuals concerned constitute a tiny minority." "The important thing is to adopt a new approach, facilitating the identification, by observing factors of radicalization, of vulnerable individuals or small groups, who could become the prey or targets of terrorist networks, before themselves becoming active." According to the DST chief, "families, teachers, social workers, and sports coaches must be made more aware in order to identify youngsters who become introverted, develop an aggressive rhetoric on religion, or criticize their parents for frequenting cafes... The aim of the operation is not to include these youngsters on any file, but to engage in dialogue and to help them before it is too late."
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Of course, this "early detection" faces a number of dangers - that of stigmatizing individuals and thus accelerating, rather than curbing, their radicalization
Or we could try killifying individuals. No need for the vicious circle of stigmatizationistarianism.
A decision by Turkeys largest city to ban some pictures of swimsuit models has revived claims about the rising power of Islam, with newspapers saying the move was more befitting of theocratic Iran than a secular democracy.
Istanbul municipality asked stores selling swimwear made by Turkish manufacturer Nelson to seek permission to place photographs of models in swimsuits and bikinis on store front windows located on main streets. It then denied them permission.
The controversy follows several large secularist protests in Turkey, a secular republic with an overwhelmingly Muslim population, against the ruling AK Party, which controls the Istanbul city authority and which has Islamist roots. Secularists say AK wants to undermine Turkeys separation of state and religion and to boost the role of Islam in daily life, claims which the centre-right, pro-business party denies.
Is this becoming a land of mullahs like Iran? asked the Vatan daily, commenting on the row over the swimwear pictures.
The staunchly secular Cumhuriyet daily quoted local consultant Ali Saydam as saying: The AK party is creating worries that they are turning Turkey into Iran.
And they're trying to do it slowly enough that the West doesn't notice.
This year four firms were denied permission to hang photographs in store windows, according to newspaper reports. Moris Eskinazi, part owner of Nelson, told Reuters the need to seek municipality permission was new. Weve never had to get permission before, and they wanted us to bring a copy of the photographs we planned on putting up, he said.
The municipalitys urban planning department said it denied permission because the application was not in the proper form. We have no law that forbids the photographs of these companies, Ahmet Faruk Yanardag, municipality spokesperson said.
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Howsa bout a compromise ? Any swimsuit can be worn, just as long as it's covered by a head-to-toe bag.
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Muslims seemingly have absolutely no self control when faced with the image of a woman. Do they think there would there be groups of men on the sidewalk masturbating to pictures of swimsuit models? Would gangs of sex crazed men be rampaging about the city raping and groping women?
You people need to get a hold on yourselves, if you haven't evolved past your animal urges yet you need to get some psychological counseling or something.
1882 Chinese Exclusion Act: Barred the entry of any Chinese for 10 years, made permanent in 1904 until it was rescinded in 1943.
1921 Quota Act: Established first immigration quotas.
1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, also known as the McCarran-Walter Act: Enacted by Congress overriding a veto by President Truman. Established the basic body of immigration law used today. Reaffirmed a quota system for new immigrants based on their national origins; established preferences for immigrants based on education, skills and relatives already living in U.S.
1965 Hart-Celler Act: Replaced immigration system based on national origins and in place since 1920s with system designed to unite families. The change shifted the origin of most immigrants from Europe to Asia and Latin America. Limited available visas.
1980 Refugee Act: Established U.S. policy on admission of refugees and defined refugees according to U.N norms.
1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act: Provided amnesty and temporary status to all illegal aliens who had lived in the United States continuously since before Jan. 1, 1982; extended a separate, more lenient amnesty to farmworkers; imposed sanctions on employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens; increased inspection and enforcement at U.S. borders.
1990 Immigration Act: Established limits on immigration but also increased available visas; continued reunification of families as a goal of immigration policy; increased the number of immigrants admitted for employment; gave higher preference to professionals and highly skilled immigrants; provided for admission to U.S. of immigrants from "underrepresented" countries.
1996 Illegal Immigration and Immigrant Responsibility Act: Mainly an enforcement measure. Doubled the size of the Border Patrol to 10,000 agents over five years; required construction of 14 miles of fencing at key points on the U.S.-Mexico border; toughened penalties for smuggling and document fraud; tightened sanctions on employers of illegal immigrants; denied government benefits to non-citizens; toughened refugee and asylum provisions; gave immigration officials authority for expedited removal to immediately deport a foreigner at a port of entry; denied public benefits to non-citizens.
2000 Legal Immigration Family Equity Act: Allowed illegal immigrants married to a U.S. citizen and in the country before Dec. 21, 2000, to apply for legal permanent residency after paying a $1,000 fine.
2006 Secure Fence Act _ Requires construction of at least 700 miles of fencing along U.S. Mexico border.
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There is the "Legalization of Illegal Immigrants Act of 2007." This is also known as the "Capitualtion to Illegal Immigrants and Obtaining More Democratic Votes Act of 2007."
A bipartisan immigration deal that would grant legal status to millions of people in the country unlawfully is drawing criticism from across the political spectrum.
The bargain reached between key Democratic and Republican senators and the White House faces an uncertain future in the Senate, which is set to begin debating it Monday.
"I don't know if the immigration legislation is going to bear fruit and we're going to be able to pass it," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who harbored "serious concerns" about the deal.
Even if it were to survive what's certain to be a searing Senate battle, the measure would be up against long odds in the House. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., acknowledging deep divisions on immigration among Democrats, says she won't bring it up unless President Bush can guarantee he will produce 70 Republican backers - a tall order given GOP concerns that the bill is too lenient. More opinions at link. Maybe Bush knows it won't pass the Senate?
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It is just me, or is it the longer Nancy is in power the dumber and more indecisive she looks?
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O'REILLY holds that the status quo of border insecurity and pervasive, massive, uncontrolled in-flows of illegals, etc. into the USA will not only destroy the GOP vv DEMS but also will eventually result in a national ONE-PARTY GOVT AND STATE. *COMMIE AMERIKA RISING [BY DEFAULT]DUE TO IMMIGRATION + BORDERS ISSUES - the only issue at that point in the future will be whether the US LEADS-DOMINS THE FUTURE OWG, OR RUSSIA-CHINA LEAD AN ANTI-US OWG WHERE THE US AGENDA IS JUST ONE OF MANY OTHER WEAK NATIONS.
Reuters report, and a place for us to rantvent discuss today.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bipartisan group of U.S. senators reached agreement on Thursday on an immigration reform bill that would legalize millions of illegal immigrants and establish a merit-based system for future migrants, lawmakers said. The agreement sets the stage for what is expected to be a passionate Senate debate over immigration and lead the way for what would be one of the most significant accomplishments of President George W. Bush's final term.
Details of the agreement were set to be released at a news conference the group scheduled for 1:30 p.m (1730 GMT). Negotiators, led by Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, and Sen. Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, worked out the final details on Thursday morning.
When asked after the meeting whether lawmakers had reached a final agreement, Kennedy replied "yes." Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican who attended the morning session, confirmed the group reached agreement.
The legislation would create a temporary worker program that would require laborers to return home after a period of time.
That's good. The workers would be legal, they'd pay taxes, and we'd know who they are. All to the good.
Tough border security and workplace enforcement measures would go into place before the temporary worker program, congressional aides said.
Proof's in the pudding -- I want to see the fence go up, the checkpoints manned, and the workplace enforcement a reality before proceeding with any amnesty regularization of the existing illegals. No fence = no amnesty.
The proposal would limit family-based migration to immediate family members and establish a merit-based system by which future migrants could earn points for skills, education, understanding of English and family ties.
Which gets at, at least somewhat, the issues raised yesterday about assimilation.
I won't belabor my points from yesterday, but on balance -- if the fence is built and built first, and if the employer verification is real and has teeth -- this is as good as we're going to get from the Congress. There is little real support in this country for rounding up and deporting 12 million people who for the most part keep their heads down and their noses clean. Ain't gonna happen. So fix the mess, prepare for the future, and provide some way to make the current illegals part of the country in some reasonable way.
A detailed outline of the deal is at Big Lizards blog. While the outline isn't authoratative, it does seem as though the bill is better than the abomination that the Senate passed last year. The requirement for the fence and verification first appears to be firm and real. The language on preferences appears to be limited. I respectfully disagree with those who stated yesterday that the bill would open the floodgates. The devil is in the details, of course, and we need to see the whole, final, printed bill.
As for the people who want to be here legally (e.g. SB's beloved Tsar), it does look as though the bill is going to make headway in that immigration will be predictable, something the system hasn't had in a long time. Again, devil is in the details.
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Details, details, details, ...enforce details...uh..well, look at the record! NOT
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--The proposal would limit family-based migration to immediate family members and establish a merit-based system by which future migrants could earn points for skills, education, understanding of English and family ties.--
Kyl was on 1 channel saying lookie what we did and Reid and Pelosi on another saying we're changing that?????
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Paying for 2 kids tuition I really do no appreciate free college for illegals.
This on top of TIF districts for new apt complexes with no school tax for 11 years - meaning those of us who own have to pay for imported kids...
On top of Eminent Domain for rich real estate developers...
On top of all no jobs for engr professionals over 45 so they fill the niches with scabs on H1B visas that render us competing against effective slaves...
I mean really... When will Marie A. come out and ask us to just eat cake?
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I'm really tired of all the special privileges afforded the illegals. Not only are they not deported, we give them everything. Who will sustain all this welfare? We can't keep it up.
Here is another bill that may come into view here in Colorado making it a snap for illegals to obtain a Colorado Driver's License and with that be able to vote. To hell with this new legislation, who needs it with this; link "foreign documents as proof of citizenship in obtaining a Colorado drivers license" that's one of the 'proofs', you've got to be kidding me. We are the laughing stock.
I do hope that pledging allegiance to America is a big part of it, and embracing what America stands for.
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The Honorable Linda T. Sanchez
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The Honorable Barbara Boxer
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The Honorable Dianne Feinstein
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RE: Funding the war in Iraq and the War on Terrorism comes first
The most important thing congress should do is support our troops and the War on Terrorism.
Until the War on Terrorism is won
all other issues like the environment and illegal immigration can wait.
The most important is getting Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles to our forces in Iraq, ASAP, at any cost.
I blame Democrats for not supporting our troops at war.
Our soldiers are dieing in Iraq at the hand of terrorists because the Democrats don't care.
While three of our soldiers are being tortured by al-Qaida terrorists,
and 4,000 of our fellow troops are trying to find and free them,
congress is in closed door session negotiating blanket amnesty and dual citizenship for millions of illegal alliens
and negotiating how to keep the border open for more illegals and terrorists.
Why not lead off a law-making session with a short prayer for our beloved soldiers?
"The fairness doctrine" is the Democrats attemp to impose sharia like laws on our free society.
We understand it to be the Democrats means of attempting to squelch opposing views and open debate.
We will not be cowed by Air America, Democrat values or the lack thereof.
If the Democrats have any grain of truth left in them
they will support the war on terror
or shrink back into irrelevance.
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Problem is BigLizards is wrong. That 375 replaces the 700 form my reading of the fragment I got on that part.
In other words they are cutting the fence in half. And there is still no FUNDING for it, nor any devices to prevent it from being held up in lawsuits indefinitely (Environmentalists, civil rights, wildlife, etc).
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And Daffyyd is a kissass when it comes to RNC policy, liek his mentor Hugh Hewitt. He's also not a conservative. He's more like a Rockefeller Country Club Republican in his treatment of this. I've been banned there for challenging him, so he;s pretty thin skinned.
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Steve, not that I'm an expert on it, but it seems you don't follow this issue too closely. There hasn't been the capacity, much less the will, to administer even a tiny portion of the amnesty program outlined here in decades (if there ever were). Talk to anyone with a pulse from the relevant federal agencies.
And the "round-up" thing is the worst sort of tired canard (cue up image of duck barely attaining flight ...). You nuke the incentives (make illegals ineligible for benefits, much less privileges, start securing the border, scare business with some jail terms and worse), and actually deport as many as you efficiently can (not too hard to figure out max-impact targets and methods or locations), and you'd see dramatic and rapid change.
We couldn't deploy INF systems in Europe, and we certainly couldn't put US troops in Saudi Arabia, and we couldn't imagine invading Iraq and taking Baghdad, and you can't reform welfare, and .... this is one of those "impossible" things that would be quite easy.
As it is, I now regard laws as something to be obeyed if I feel like it. Took a lot to drag me to that spot, but I made it (I certainly now regard all immigration/customs laws as meaningless, something to be gamed and violated). And I certainly will advise several friends who have foreign spouses-to-be in the picture to get them here quick and over-stay their visas, depending on what happens with the law.
Abandoning rule of law for convenience, or cowardice, will have its consequences.
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With family reunification, that should clear the majority of the population out of Mexico.
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Either we create a southern border by erecting the entire proposed fence or we will merge with Mexico, paramilitary drug gangs and all.
As for this immigration reform proposal, I could never support it until I see the entire fence built, a computerized validation system in place for employers and the financial benefits for illegal immigrants entirely eliminated.
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The fence and the new enforcement provisions are just more mealy-mouthed lip service like we got with the 1986 amnesty bill. The existing laws would have been more than adequate to end the invasion if the will had existed to enforce them. How will new laws and provisions make any difference?
Fact is, El Presidente Jorge Arbusto and his Demonrat accomplices have sold this country out and signed the death warrant of the United States as a great nation, and perhaps as a nation at all.
I don't think the Chamber of Commerce fatcats and other immigration traitors really have any inkling of the level of anger this has generated in the rank and file.
They probably figure they can drag out gay marriage or some platitudes about family values, or some other religious right bullshit, and we will fail to notice the third-world hordes and their openly racist leadership taking over our jobs, our schools, our streets, and the government itself.
With amnesty in place, the Latino racists will try to institutionalize the kind of perferences and favortism that already exist wherever they are in charge.
They and their Fatcat/Moonbat enablers will press hard on the "hate-speech" and "fairness doctrine" fronts in an effort to criminalize all opposition.
This combination of RINO fatcats and leftist vermin, btw, is an alliance made in Hell, the twenty-first century's version of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939. Its goal is the same, the dismemberment and subjugation of an independent country. In some ways the present deal with Satan is worse. It wasn't the Polish leadership itself that sold out its own country to foreign invaders, but that is what Bush and his fellow invasion instigators have done.
The RINO fatcats and the loathesome 'rats are oblivious to what the masses think or believe, as long as the depraved media cults love them and the donations roll in from cheap-labor profiteers and liberal foundations, but that does not mean the people have lost their will altogether.
Where there is no recourse, there is revolution.
No later than halfway through President Hillary Clinton's term, at the latest, we will have literal civil war in this country.
It may come sooner if African-Americans in Los Angeles in particular realize that they have sold down the river just as surely as their ancestors were in slave times. Legal immigrants, especially those who have paid through the nose and waited years to get in, are also furious at this, yet their attitudes barely register on the political- media radar screen.
Something else to think about: The sudden infusion of twenty million ignorant, pliable, and therefore mostly leftist voters could easily spell the end of US support for Israel.
Forget Pakistani nuclear weapons, what happens to OUR nuclear weapons when this dark age alliance of greed and ignorance effectively destroys our Constitution and national sovereignty?
Next Stop for the Arbusto gang: "Compromise" on gun control.
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Any pol who supports a temporary worker program is really saying that his loyalty is to Mexican workers and cheap labor, not to Americans.
Who'da thunk the coming job flight would be the one thing which causes our estranged Democratic and Republican electorates to come together again. A smart pol would jump on this. I guess Mitt Romney has. There is no downside in him doing so-it may well be law by then-but it has made me take a second look at voting for him in 2008. At least his goal is not to sacrifice the American workforce.
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No 'immigration reform' in Washington will solve the fundamental social economic problems created by the Mexican ruling caste. They have absolutely no incentive to alter business as usual to dump their uneducated, unskilled, unwanted masses on the US to avoid real reform, which they've given lip service to for over three decades. Communist China which doesn't have a border to ship its masses across has chosen real reforms which have brought real opportunity for their people in less than ten years than what the corrupt family cartels in Mexico will ever commit to.
This act solves nothing other than to alienate the people of the US from their government through the betrayal of what is America. One more day closer to Sulla.
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I just wrote Senator Dorgan to thank him for moving to strike the temporary guest worker program and I urge you to do the same. From his website:
(WASHINGTON, D.C.) --- U.S. Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) said Thursday he will offer an amendment to strike the guest worker provision that apparently will be included in the immigration legislation announced earlier in the day. The provision says the number of guest worker visas each year would be limited to 400,000, but that cap would be increased depending on demand.
"The guest worker program would bring millions of new immigrants over a period of years to take jobs in sectors of our economy like construction, manufacturing, and transportation. It is just a fiction that these are jobs Americans aren't willing to do -- the fact is that the overwhelming majority of these jobs are currently done by Americans. The main reason that big corporations want a guest worker program is that it will drive down U.S. wages," Dorgan said.
"America's workers have enough downward pressure on their wages because of unfair trade deals and corporate outsourcing of millions of jobs every year. The last thing they need now is to have an inflow of millions of more immigrants competing for their jobs at substandard wages.
"We already have a system that allows for legal immigration under a quota system. It needs to be respected. Beyond that, what we really need is to enforce our borders. The last thing we need is a guest worker program that pretends to prevent future illegal immigration by just declaring it legal."
The first time a saw you mention Sulla, I had one of those, "No kidding, aint that the truth" reactions. Slowly, each time I saw you reference him I started to really come around to it. After seeing it this time, I'm a full fledged convert.
Someday, he's comin.
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One thing "we" (meaning private activists, not the disgraced Arbusto regime or its Rodent successors) might want to examine is the possibility of helping Mexican revolutionaries who would close the border in return for our assistance.
I am not sure who these would be or how we could guarantee that they would keep their word, but it does not seem that these things would be impossible on their face.
The support the US provided to Benito Juarez during his struggle against the French and their toadies paid huge dividends for the US for the remainder of the 19th century.
Radical reform in Mexico is certainly a major key to ending this disastrous situation but we have to begin at home.
At the very least, everyone involved in the Bush immigration sell-out must be expelled from public office at the first opportunity.
The Bush wing of the GOP is completely discredited and it will be interesting to see who picks up the pieces on the right.
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steve I tend to agree with what youve written, and would also like to see more details.
I think one of the more difficult points is the question of favoring the trained over the untrained. That certainly makes them more socially assimilable. And it clearly adds more to US GDP. OTOH, it particularly hurts certain members of the lower middle and middle middle class in the US, depending on what skill sets come in. The unskilled are at least doing work that few Americans would take at wages that make the work viable. The skilled really ARE hurting some Americans pocketbooks, even as they improve the lot of upper middle class and wealthy Americans. And of course it doesnt help the economies of developing countries if we take their most skilled (countries like India, with a glut of grads, being the exception)
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You nuke the incentives (make illegals ineligible for benefits, much less privileges, start securing the border, scare business with some jail terms and worse), and actually deport as many as you efficiently can (not too hard to figure out max-impact targets and methods or locations), and you'd see dramatic and rapid change.
Verlaine, Seems like the way to go. I'm just afraid no one in Washington has the will to defend this country. We have gone from a notion of the rule of law to capitulation to the group making the biggest noise. If Verlaine's approach is taken, the illegals will not be so willing to come to the U.S. People will not be hiring illegals. We have created a gravy train for illegals that rapidly we won't be able to afford.
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where's the "smells like bull shit" pic?
Signed,
El Capitán América
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The heat needs to be put on this band of anti-American employers; from Fox News:
" a group of Colorado restaurants, hotels and landscape businesses are banding together to urge Congress to change immigration laws, including increasing the number of foreign workers brought in on temporary visas.
The new group -- Colorado Employers for Immigration Reform -- is similar to ones that have been established in Texas, Arizona and Florida. Members say they're unable to find enough Americans interested in the temporary, labor-intensive jobs their industries depend on."
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You know, these farm-work employers could have taken a different track to get American workers. I bet if they had collaborated with more thoughtful, fiscally responsible and nationally loyal congressmen, they could have fashioned together a farm-worker employment program/welfare reduction program. But then, they would have to pay a decent living wage, so instead they bring in 2nd and 3rd world workers who will work for pittance and house 3 or 4 families to an apartment to make that wage livable.. Do these business owners and politicians imagine their motives are not transparent and do they imagine they can escape being held accountable by the American people?
I actually think it would be a good thing for more Americans to understand when and how to seed and nurture and harvest crops. That knowledge is slipping away from most of our populace.
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Members say they're unable to find enough Americans interested in the temporary, labor-intensive jobs their industries depend on."
I simply do not believe this.
It's called supply and demand. Till the employers raise wages sufficiently to attract employees, they'll keep using this excuse. Under a real market system, that's why there is no need for minimum wage. However, since the businessmen collude with the pols of both stripes to make sure that the labor market is in practice unlimited as exhibited by this very action, there is no need to raise wages or substitute technology to do the job.
If the job is that important, the market will support the consequential raise in prices correlated to increase in wages. If the product or service isn't that important, it'll disappear.
That's why in the end this hurts American minorities and others with limited skill sets. It artificially keeps wages down at the same time shifting costs [education, welfare, medical] upon the public and, given the resources are limited, decreasing the availability and access to those same 'minorities'. Watch the usual suspects who claim to be the leaders of those 'minority' communities support this act which throws their own constituency under the bus.
#28
Listening to Rush, last report is the phones are 'going nuts' at the capitol.
Keep up the assault, show no quarter.
Rush calls it the Comprehensive Destroy the Republican Party Bill of 2007. He gets it. After the party is gone, the war retreat will become effective, and the second ammendment will be repealed. Kiss your asses goodby.
#29
A little comparison on just how critical this amnesty bill is:
Scenario 1; Congress fails to fund war effort, troops withdraw, in a few years, terrorism becomes common in the streets of American cities.
Result, people take action and eliminate Islam.
Scenario 2; Congress passes a huge tax increase, economy falls on it's face, tax revolts begin. Result, the republican party retrieves power and fixes tax code.
Scenario 3; This amnesty bill passes, illegals are immediately legal, Social Security collapses, identity theft out of control, borders overrun.
Result, America can never recover...all is lost.
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So raising the minimum wage was a good thing? If it went still higher, all the employees would be legal?
I don't think I've heard that here before.
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US Amnesties For Illegal Aliens Until 1986, the United States had never forgiven the act of illegal immigration in other than individual cases and had never rewarded large numbers of illegal aliens with the opportunity for U.S. citizenship.
Congress has passed 7 amnesties for illegal aliens, starting in 1986.
1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA), 1986: A blanket amnesty for some 2.7 million illegal aliens
2. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens
3. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994
4. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America
5. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti
6. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens
7. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens
Illegal alien amnesties #2-7 were a complete surprise to me.
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"Congress should coalesce behind sweeping new compromise immigration legislation despite steep political obstacles because opportunities to confront the problem head-on are rare", Sen. Edward Kennedy said Friday.
In other words, suck it up and take your medicine 'cause we ain't gonna do nuthin. We're scared shitless of the Latino voteand besides, we need the Democratic voters.
12 million new citizens the vast majority of whom will vote Democrat will be the end of the Republican Party. We will have a one-party system. This is an earth-shattering event in terms of voting demographics. If this passes the Republicans will have signed the death warrant of their party.
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I am just so pissed right now it is making me surly to the wife and kids. And its not just this piece of trash either. Cripes the solution to this problem is obvious...take away the demand by putting the heat on the employers and making sure that NO benefits can be received and they won't come here.
But it is more than this. I read in the WSJ about how the deal with NKOR is just going sideways (surprise, surprise), I see our lack of resolve in Iraq or doing much of anything truly decisive anywhere against the islamonuts, I see the friggin dems being well nigh traitorous and the pubs following closely behind. It all makes me very worried for our future as a country.
#35
Well, folks, as much a I rant and rave about this issue the fact is I really gave up on it a long time ago. My problem now is convincing my wife that we need to leave California because it's about to go right down the toilet. I don't know about Texas, Arizona or Massachusetts but Bush and these senators have to be awfully damned ignorant not to know what they've done to my state.
#37
A foundation repair company owned by a white American business man just finished repairing a foundation of a white home owner. I was there working on putting in a new floor for the homeowner.
The greedy white business man hired a bunch of illegal alliens to do the work under his supervision for nothing, also knowing that after the job, he could cut the workers immediately until the next job. What a DEAL.
Except that the next day, one of the illegals, who could not speak a lick of English, stopped by the house to try to sell us a whole assortment of tools he just stole from the white business man for pennies on the dollar. No worries, the greedy white business man could get in more trouble for hiring illegals than the illegals who just stole from him.
Plus, as soon as these illegals get amnesty, now that they know how to do the leveling, they will just under bid white boy on every future job and put him out of business.
#38
The American citizens and taxpayers, the rule of law, and the Republican Party are the losers with this bill. The existing lower and middle classes are systematically being destroyed in this country.
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Looks like if we make enough noise they may actually hear us. Tony Snow has been catching crap all day long - and hes a smart guy, if anyone can cut through the fog in W's head, and his bubble of insiders in the Potemkin village known as the White House, it would be Tony Snow.
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In the long run, we're going to let in someone who's going to blow up a large piece of US real estate. The donkeys and the elerants are going to blame it on something else, but the majority of the American people are going to know it was the total abrogation of responsibility in Washington, and start going after politicians. Once they've finished with the pols, they're going to go after recognizable groups. Mexican-Americans are going to be one such recognizable group. It's going to get VERY ugly, very fast. The people to blame are the fat cats and pols in Washington, New York, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Dallas, Houston, Lost Angeles, San Fransisco, Phoenix, Seattle, and elsewhere that spent the money to get this passed. May they be cursed forever in all they do. May their lives become a worse hell than the most destitute beggar in Calcutta. May hell freeze over before anyone offers them a helping hand.
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I remember when Tony Snow on his talk show was mulling over the possibility of being the WH press secretary. What a mistake that was! Trying to communicate what the President, et al were trying to say.
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... today released the following statement regarding the immigration bill currently pending in the United States Senate: With this bill, the American people are going to think they are being sold the same bill of goods as before on border security. We should scrap this bill and the whole debate until we can convince the American people that we have secured the borders or at least have made great headway.
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Convince me with action. Start with the fence and support our border patrol.
What big money is backing this POS? Our elected officials seem to be following a different drummer here. They sure aren't listening to us.
I'm going to bed with a horrible headache over this, I'd like to think it's all a bad dream.
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I like the points system aspect of it. It will help repel some of the rif-raf that we have been letting into the country for years. It won't stop the mexicans, but it may curb somalis or pakis that come here to sponge.
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I support that option. Secure the borders first, then deal with the ones that got in. You give a pass to the ones inside, more will come in to take advantage of government stupidity.
#4
I figure if head for Manhattan now I can get work tax free until the Democrats give me a US passport and a free house. Green Card lotteries are for punks.
Say, youre a programmer. Now we're going to let in the Indians who do what you do, thus capping your salary, but we're going to keep out the folks who serve you at McDonalds, who clean your toilet, and who generally make it possible for you to live well on your salary.
Im not saying I dont see the logic to it, I am saying its not going to be uncontroversial.
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FYI, hearing rumors Fred is in , second week of June, exploratory committee. Will officially announce once the gnats (Gilmore, Tommy Thompson, Ron Paul, etc) are gone.
With this bill, the American people are going to think they are being sold the same bill of goods as before on border security. We should scrap this bill and the whole debate until we can convince the American people that we have secured the borders or at least have made great headway.
Fred Thompson, Blogging at RedState. As a reminder, here is what Fred Thompson was syaing more then 2 MONTHS ago at Fox News...
"I'm concerned about the next 12 million or 20 million. So that's why enforcement, and enforcement at the border, has to be primary."
"I think most people feel disillusioned after 1986 when we had this deal offered to them before, and now we're insisting that, you know, we solve the security problem first, and then we'll talk about what to do with regard to other things certainly no amnesty or nothing blanket like that."
If we can make it nearly impossible for an illegal to get a job and give the border patrol the authority and resources to arrest illegals and send them back where they came from, more than half the battle will have been won.
Thompson understands that if legal penalties are too high for employers to hire illegals and if government doesn't give them free health care and a host of other undeserved benefits, there will be next to nothing left to attract them or keep them here. Again, FDT to Wallace:
"You know, if you have the right kind of policies, and you're not encouraging people to come here and encouraging them to stay once they're here, they'll go back, many of them, of their own volition, instead of having to, you know, load up moving vans and rounding people up.
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Can't see how this doesn't plummet McCaimanic's poll numbers
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FOX NEWS > O'REILLY or HANNITY?? > the Left-Wing in America is complaining, AGAIN, about the lack of compassion = humanity of the GOP + US Right-Wing, as per the provisions in this bill. TV > had on a Hispanic woman-mother whom has been "illegal" and on public assistance for over 20 Years - 20 YEARS! 20 YEARS > NOT LONG ENUFF TO EVEN TRY TO BE LEGAL??? Instead, Amer is supposed to be sympathetic to her and her family's plight, includ her fear of goig to jail, as opposed to that of legal US Citizens-Residents whom had suppor her way of life for so long vv their public taxes-fees, or even via private donations!? THIS WOMAN HAD MORE THAN A "FAIR CHANCE(S)", OVER ABOVE AND BEYOND A "FAIR CHANCE(S)".
#6
Speaking as someone who has never voted republican in my entire life, Thompson is a solid front runner for my 2008 vote. No, I don't like abandoning the issue of a woman's choice with respect to her own body, but as someone here put it so clearly: We can debate over abortion, but not over terrorism. Thompson has got it right with respect to the Global War on Terrorism. If he also has it right regarding illegal immigration, then this man stands alone in the field. A hat tip to Old Spook for bringing this potential candidate to our collective attention.
#7
One of the better things about Fred Thompson is that he is the ONLY candidate with a blog, and he blogs regularly (podcasts as well from time to time, and does YouTube). Fred "gets it" regarding the internet.
#8
Fred Thompson is The Man. The type of politician our Founding Fathers had in mind. We must do everything we can to see that he runs and gets the necessary support. On another note... think back to the movie Red October. Fred had to act alongside Alec Baldwin. The fact he could be in closed proximity for that long and not choke the life out of that bastid shows how much intestinal fortitude the man truly has.
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McCain must like shooting himself in the foot. Can figure out why he jumped in bed with the likes of Kennedy. Any bill sponsored by Kennedy is suspect. The bill makes a sad joke out of people who try to obey the law and become citizens.
#11
I'll write my senator and congresscritter, but I doubt it will do any good. They all have been good and bribed on this, and will sell out the American people for their thirty pieces of silver. May everyone now serving be "unelected", and soon!
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ISLAMABAD - Officials from Pakistan and India began two days talks on Thursday to help resolve the long-standing dispute over the Sir Creek marshland that separates the countries at the Arabian Sea. The consultations in the Pakistani garrison city Rawalpindi passed in a cordial and friendly atmosphere as the sides presented their stances on the matter, a Pakistani Defence Ministry statement said.
The row over the 99-kilometre stretch of marsh, which lies partly in Pakistans Sindh province and partly in Indias Gujarat state, dates back to 1947, when India and Pakistan became independent from Britain. It remains one of a number of territorial disputes that have hampered reconciliation efforts between the nuclear-armed neighbours.
The latest consultations are the part of the fourth round of peace talks initiated in 2004. The sides in January began a joint survey of the creek, demarcation of which would enable the countries to finalize their maritime boundaries.
Determination of the boundaries would in turn allow them to notify the limits of their maritime economic zones as demanded by the UN Convention on Law of the Sea, to which both Pakistan and India are signatories. The convention requires that all maritime boundary conflicts should be resolved by 2009, failing which the United Nations may declare disputed areas as international waters.
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Apparently the Dera sect has both Hindu and Sikh members, from the Tarkhan sub-caste. They are being opposed by "orthodox" Sikhs from the Jat sub-caste. Interestingly the Amritsar protests are being led by a former Khalastani militant with ties to the Pakistani ISI named Gurnam Singh Bandala
The rapidly escalating clashes between Dera Sacha Sauda followers and Sikhs in Punjab claimed its first victim on Thursday when one person was killed near Sunam in Sangrur district. Even as the Sikh high priests called for a social boycott of Dera followers and gave the Punjab Government time till May 20 to act against the Dera for its "anti-Sikh activities", both sides marshalled their forces for a dangerous standoff.
The Dera leader Gurmeet Singh and many high ranking members are supporters of the Congress party. They have called for the State Government to be dismissed and Presidential Rule (government rule from Delhi) declared. The Sikh priests are being backed by the Akali Dal (the Sikh party in power) and the BJP. This is looking like a political fight for the control of the Punjab under the guise of religious conflict.
Late night reports said more than 25,000 Sikhs had gathered outside Salabetpura, Punjab's biggest Dera campus that is 30 km from Bathinda, and were set to attack it. Across the border in Haryana, 20,000 followers of the Dera have assembled at Sirsa and are threatening to march towards Bathinda.
The Punjab Police is desperately trying to disperse the crowds at Bathinda. A PTI report, quoting the police, said the protesters have begun to disperse and a "major sectarian clash has been averted".
The inter-State border has been sealed at Dabwali. The Governments of Punjab and Haryana have sought paramilitary forces from the Centre as a "precautionary measure". Additional forces have been rushed by the Union Government, which is in touch with the Governments of Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan.
The Sikh high priests, who met at Talwandi Sabo Gurdwara near Bathinda on Thursday morning, said if the Punjab Government failed to act in the next three days, Sikhs would be "forced to act against the Dera". They called for a social boycott of the controversial Dera sect for allegedly insulting Guru Gobind Singh. Anti-Dera sentiments have been running high ever since the sect's chief Gurmit Singh Ram Rahim appeared in an advertisement dressed like the 10th and last Sikh Guru.
Sangrur resident Kamaljit Singh was shot dead at a Dera ashram near Sunam that was attacked by Sikhs returning from Talwandi Sabo.
He was among the mob that attacked the Dera.
A group of 100 Sikhs, returning from Talwandi Sabo, attacked the Dera's property at Ram Nagar near Maur Mandi in Bathinda district, injuring 22 people, including a policeman. The Sikhs demolished the walls of the property, damaged vehicles and attacked male followers while sparing the women. Some 80 policemen were deployed in the area but allegedly did nothing to save the Dera followers.
In Mansa, a chowk named after the Dera was demolished. In Bathinda, Dera followers surrounded Kila Gurdwara while a number of Sikh devotees were inside.
The Punjab Government has denied having issued instructions to the police to vacate Dera ashrams, a claim made by the group. The Chief Minister's media adviser Harcharan Bains said police were only trying to persuade the two factions to disperse peacefully.
At the meeting in Talwandi Sabo, the high priests authorised the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabhandak Committee (SGPC), the apex religious body of Sikhs, to check the activities of the Dera and its followers in Punjab.
Sikh protesters organised marches at several places, including Patiala, Karnal and Yamuna Nagar, and a bandh was observed in Amritsar. The shutdown was complete in the walled city around the Golden Temple.
Leaders of the Dera, after a meeting held at their headquarters in Sirsa, expressed anguish at the social boycott call issued by the Sikh high priests and said the move would divide society.
Central forces rushed to Punjab, Haryana
Faith divided Punjab in a way not seen in the last two decades as the battle between Dera Sacha Sauda, a sect with a large following in Punjab and Haryana, and various Sikh groups claimed its first life on Thursday.
In a late-night development, the Centre decided to rush 125 companies of RAF, BSF and CRPF to different cities in Punjab and Haryana in a bid to contain the violence.
Forces also remained deployed in parts of west Delhi where the authorities feared trouble. As Punjab's administrative machinery, clearly at sea, failed to control frenzied mobs baying for each other's blood, calls went out for imposition of Presidents rule to prevent the state from descending into chaos.
The entire state went into spasms of violence and fear as clashes on the fourth day killed Kamaljit Singh, a Sangrur resident, in Sunam.
At least 15 others received serious gunshot wounds, with eight believed to be critical, after Dera supporters in Salawatpur, surrounded by a mob, opened fire. A police contingent which was there failed to stop the rampaging groups, too scared and too unprepared to retaliate.
When reports last came in, about 20,000 Sikh youths were on their way to attack and empty out another Dera shelter in Sangrur with at least 5,000 followers of Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh, leader the Sacha Sauda cult, inside the colony.
Hemmed in from all sides and exposed to death and injury, they now only have the police to defend them. A TOI correspondent in Sangrur said the cops were trying their best to push the attackers back. "But it's all very dangerous," he said.
What is of most serious concern to Punjab's new Akali Dal-led government is the decision taken by Sikh clergy at the Sarbat Khalsa in Damdama Sahib, Talwandi Sabo, to suspend all social relations with Dera followers. They have also demanded a total ban on activities of the cult.
It didn't help matters that leaders of the Dera refused to back down and said no apology was coming for their leader dressing up as Guru Gobind Singh, 10th guru of the Sikhs
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This is the big economic powerhouse that is going to put us all out of work and sink china economically? Wow! Before their global domination they should try to make a few small changes:
No mobs of 20,000 murderers rampaging about.
No more witch hunts/burnings.
Get that whole leprosy thing under control.
Sewers.
And finally, I don't know if anyone noticed, but you ALL smell like curry and B.O.
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Must be something about wearing those black head wrap things in hot climates (turbans to Sikhs, but what's al Sadr's called?) that makes the brain overheat and malfunction. Too bad it doesn't work quite like putting duct tape over the fan port of a computer.
Indian paramilitary soldiers patrol the streets of the northern Indian city of Amritsar, May 18, 2007. Thousands of armed police were deployed in India's northern state of Punjab after one person died and more than 50 were injured in several days of clashes between Sikhs and followers of a sect
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Can't these guys put aside their petty differences and band together to rampage on the muzzies instead? That's the real threat to them both.
Unfortunate; he was doing a good job in the face of strong opposition from the Y'urp-peon bank staffers who preferred business the old way.
World Bank President Paul D. Wolfowitz resigned this afternoon, effective June 30, giving in to overwhelming pressure from bank staff and governments around the globe that he depart to end the ethics controversy that has consumed the institution. Wolfowitz agreed to resign in negotiations with the bank's executive board, pre-empting a growing likelihood that he would have been formally reprimanded or fired, said bank officials who spoke on condition they not be named, citing the political sensitivity of the proceedings.
His resignation came as key members of the bank's 24-member executive board were mobilizing to push through a resolution expressing no-confidence in his leadership, a step that would have made it effectively impossible for him to continue, senior bank and Bush administration officials said.
The bank's board was moving toward that unprecedented step after a committee report that found that Wolfowitz broke ethics rules and undermined the reputation of the institution when he directed staff to award a substantial raise to his girlfriend and then covered up the details.
But in agreeing to leave, Wolfowitz extracted a significant measure of exoneration -- his key demand in the negotiations. Sources said the board will soon issue a statement ascribing to the bank some of the blame for the ethics controversy while acknowledging that Wolfowitz believes he acted ethically. "He assured us that he acted ethically and in good faith in what he believed were the best interests of the institution," the statement will read, according to a person familiar with the draft wording. "We accept that."
That statement appears to hand Wolfowitz and his attorney, Robert S. Bennett, considerable vindication: They have repeatedly argued that he tried to protect the bank in resolving a conflict of interest by transfering his longtime companion, Shaha Riza, to another job while increasing her pay as compensation for the disruption to her career.
In recent weeks, as the investigating committee heard testimony from bank officials, as staff openly campaigned for his ouster, and as political leaders from Berlin to Johannesburg called for his exit, Wolfowitz resolutely insisted he would stay. He dismissed the movement against him as a "smear campaign."
But by Wednesday morning, it had become clear that Wolfowitz was fighting an unwinnable battle. European governments, who have been leading the effort to oust him, preferred to avoid a vote to fire him, which would have risked an open conflict with the Bush administration. But the German and British representatives on the board had obtained the backing of their governments to take action to remove him, officials said.
At the same time, President Bush -- who appointed him to the bank two years ago, and who had been a resolute supporter -- was sending increasingly clear signals it was time for Wolfowitz to move on. "I regret that it's come to this," Bush said today, in a morning news conference with outgoing British Prime Minister Tony Blair. "I believe all parties in this matter have acted in good faith."
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when he directed staff to award a substantial raise to his girlfriend and then covered up the details.
Adios, MF. We'll only miss you because you weren't as bad as the rest. That's not saying much.
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Kinda puzzled about that "cover up" part. If the internal document the WSJ reported on a few weeks back was the whole story, this was nothing more than a lynching, flying in the face of all, not just some, of the facts. Wolfie reportedly tried - twice - to recuse himself, but the Bank people insisted he sign on Riza's deal. The whole thing sounds bizarre - if I were Wolfie, I'd have refused, stood my ground, and made a public stink about it, to guarantee the impossibility of this sort of smear. Hard to believe he's not clever enough to avoid a set-up, so the whole thing's murky to me.
But the lynching part is confirmed by the fact that the loathsome Bank staff (who are the most coddled, anti-US int. org. drrones I've ever met, and that includes the French idiots at UNHCR) and the pathetic Euros jumped on this the way they did.
Meanwhile it may also be yet another example of the pathetic, cowardly incompetence of the Bush team. These folks have morphed from the Truman admin. to the Carter admin. in a few short years. Astonishing, damaging, and sickening.
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This is a lynching. Like Mr. Bolton, he was trying to reform those who had absolutely no interest in giving up their pet corruptions... again backed by home governments that quite agree that People Like Us are entitled to a little extra for being so wonderful.
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This was a big victory for Wolfie. He had been effectively neutered by the WB bureaucracy and the press as an effective leader. The Brits were to have named his replacement, the first time a WB head was not named by the U. S. President. Instead, the WB board has publicly stated that he did nothing unethical and Bush gets to name his replacement. Who's out of a job....hmmmmm. John Bolton, perhaps?
Have at it, 'Burgers. Thinking about the BS in this story makes my head hurt.
A former Palo Verde nuclear plant engineer accused of taking plant software to Iran told the FBI that he simply wanted to show off his job to family and friends.
New records obtained by The Arizona Republic show Mohammad Alavi, 49, also told federal agents that he moved to Iran to be closer to his family and was about to start a job with an electric-motor company. He said the laptop computer containing the software is still in a closet at his mother's house in Tehran. "Yeah, it's right on top of all my old KISS ARMY stuff!"
A transcript of a court hearing not previously available paints a picture of Alavi as a man with no ties to the Iranian government or its nuclear program. It appears to contradict a federal judge's description of the software as "a highly valuable product that presented grave risk to public safety if put in the wrong hands."
All this comes as state and federal regulators grapple with concerns about routine security practices at the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station, 50 miles west of downtown Phoenix, the nation's largest nuclear plant. At the court hearing in April, an assistant U.S. attorney raised concerns about how Alavi was able to "walk the blueprints of the Palo Verde plant to Tehran."
The transcript indicates that Alavi wasn't the only employee to download the details of control rooms, reactors and designs as part of a software training package onto his personal laptop and take it home. "(Alavi) was not the only one that was being asked to put this information on his laptop," Alavi's lawyer, Milagros Cisneros, said during the hearing in Phoenix. "It was something that was encouraged at his workplace."
Indeed, officials with the Arizona Public Service Co., which operates Palo Verde, confirm that employees were encouraged to download the software onto personal laptops and work on it at home. The software provides employees with emergency scenarios and instructs them to react with proper procedures. It has no links to actual plant workings and can't be used to affect operations. "We encourage them to use it at home. . . . What (Alavi) was doing with software was not unusual and certainly not limited to him," APS spokesman Jim McDonald said, stressing there is nothing classified about the software. "That is our point. They work on it at home as a matter of their job duties." "It's ok, really.....it's not like anyone might use this info to, you know, figger out how to exploit our weaknesses or anything like that. Besides, he was a great guy, always brought the most wonderful macaroni salad to the employee picnic....
At the same time, if the company was using this as a training program, it's hard to blame Alavi for having a copy. This is problematic, though I'll bet the software has a legal tag on it somewhere that prohibits export to unfriendly countries.
APS did not know Alavi had left the country with the information until the Maryland software manufacturer reported attempts had been made to access the Palo Verde training system from an address in Tehran.
Alavi, an Iranian native who lived in the United States as a naturalized citizen for 30 years, is being held without bail in Arizona. He has been charged with a single count of violating a trade embargo with Iran, which carries a maximum penalty of 24 months in prison. Trial is set for July 3.
Alavi worked at Palo Verde for 16 years until August, when he resigned and moved to Tehran. He was arrested on April 8 as he stepped off a plane in Los Angeles. He had returned to the United States with his wife for the birth of their first child.
Left his pregnant wife here?
According to court records, federal agents interviewed Alavi for more than two hours. FBI Agent Jason Cammack testified that Alavi admitted downloading the software in Iran but said he did it to show relatives and a business associate.
There was no evidence that the software played a part in Alavi's move to Iran or that it was connected to his new job with a company reselling electric motors manufactured in Serbia. Alavi told federal agents that he had invested $60,000 in the company, which has an exclusive agreement to sell the motors in Iran. "He wanted to make a go of it in Iran, even though he would make one-tenth of the salary he made in the United States so that he could be with his extended family," Cammack said. Riiiight.
The testimony at the April 17 hearing stands in contrast to statements made by U.S. Judge Neil Wake when he denied Alavi bail on April 20. Wake wrote in his order that Alavi's desire to leave the country "was an essential element in his plan and effort to obtain and access the software." He called Alavi a "serious flight risk." He also described the software as potentially dangerous.
But transcripts show that three days earlier, on April 17, Wake told authorities there was no evidence "that this involved national security controls or controls relating to proliferation of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons or materials."
Federal authorities, who argued that Alavi should be held without bail because of his lack of ties to the United States, repeatedly told Wake that that they were not making "a danger argument." Wake responded, "Let's put it this way: If there is a danger, it's already done."
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A former Palo Verde nuclear plant engineer accused of taking plant software to Iran told the FBI that he simply wanted to show off his job to family and friends.
..and after a few years in prison, he can impress them by showing them his huge, gigantic asshole.
The government (UK) has overturned its proposed ban on the creation of human-animal embryos and now wants to allow them to be used to develop new treatments for incurable diseases such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
The proposal, in a new draft fertility bill published today, would allow scientists to create three different types of hybrid embryos. Scientists would be allowed to grow the embryos in a lab for no more than two weeks, and it would be illegal to implant them in a human.
The first kind of hybrid allowed under the bill, known as a chimeric embryo, is made by injecting cells from an animal into a human embryo. The second, known as a human transgenic embryo, involves injecting animal DNA into a human embryo. The third, known as a cytoplasmic hybrid, is created by transferring the nuclei of human cells, such as skin cells, into animal eggs from which almost all the genetic material has been removed.
This is this type of human-animal embryo that is being developed in British universities. Scientists say that developing these embryos will provide a plentiful source of stem cells - immature cells that can develop into many different types of tissue - for use in medical research.
The move is a U-turn on proposals to outlaw all types of human-animal embryos set out by ministers in a white paper published last December. But the new proposal would not allow the creation of "true hybrid" embryos, which would involve fertilising a human egg with animal sperm or vice versa. Usually, an allowance is made because the reality encroached on the law already. In my view, the likelihood is high that the attempts have been already made to try "true hybrid" avenue, whether out of curiosity, or on purpose. It's just too tempting for some researchers, ethics be damned, or rather in this age of moral equivalencies ethics are being considered an ancient baggage to be disposed of as it pleases.
The government was criticised by the Commons science and technology committee for proposing an outright ban after objections were raised by pro-life groups opposed to any research on embryos. The draft bill, which also covers fertility treatment, will overhaul the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990.
British scientists have already applied to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority, which regulates embryo research, for a licence to use human-animal embryos for medical research.
Professor John Burn, head of the human genetics institute at Newcastle University, welcomed the government's U-turn. "I'm delighted that common sense has prevailed. I fully understand the knee-jerk reaction that creating human-animal embryos is worrying," he said. "But what we're talking about here are cells on a dish not a foetus. We're talking about something that looks like sago under the microscope. And it's illegal to ever turn these cells into a living being." Guns are illegal in UK too, and people still get shot.
A team led by Lyle Armstrong at Newcastle University's stem cell institute has applied to the HFEA to use cow eggs to develop stem cells for the treatment of diabetes and spinal paralysis.
Another team led by Professor Stephen Minger, director of the stem cell biology laboratory at King's College London, wants to use human-bovine embryos to study degenerative neurological diseases such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
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So provided a human being is very small, looks different from most grown humans, or has genetic material altered by science we can do whatever we want to them? So much for the innate dignity of human beings.
Apparently we can also lie to ourselves about what we are doing. If the embryo were not alive it would not grow or be of much use in research. That is the offspring of humans, created originally with human genetic material and tampered with shows it is or was human.
How much do these scientists think we have to alter human genetic material to create a slave class?
Of course they aim to save lies - but usually we frown on dangerous or deadly experiments on some humans in order to save other older humans.
The Germans may have lost the second world war, but the views of their wartime scientists are apparently alive and well in the west.
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A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
Hook-handed Islamic extremist Abu Hamza has contracted gangrene in the stump of his left arm which could delay his extradition to the United States. 
LONDON - Finance minister Gordon Brown was set to be effectively crowned as Britains next prime minister on Thursday, after his sole rival to succeed Tony Blair conceded defeat. Browns left-wing challenger John McDonnell admitted late Wednesday that he could not rally the 45 lawmakers signatures required to be nominated as a candidate in the internal contest for the leadership of the Labour Party. That means that Brown, 56, is set to be officially named Labours leader on June 24 and prime minister on June 27, the departure dates Blair announced last week after 10 years in power.
Two Venezuelans accused of staging an overthrow of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez in April 2002 have applied for refugee status in Costa Rica, Public Security Minister Fernando Berrocal told the press yesterday. These former Venezuelan military agents, identified as Néstor González and Henry López, have already presented their requests to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) a necessary step in the process of gaining refugee status, and their case is now being considered by the General Immigration Administration. When the case has been ruled on, it will be made public by Presidency Minister Rodrigo Arias, Berrocal said.
MOSCOW - Russias federal customs service said on Thursday it had filed a suit claiming $22.5 billion in damages from Bank of New York Co BK.N. The Federal Customs Service (FCS) confirms the fact of a filing of the suit against the Bank of New York, Andrey Strukov, head of the customs service legal department, said in a statement e-mailed to news agencies. The Federal Customs Service is filing the suit against the Bank of New York for $22.5 billion in damages inflicted against the Russian Federation.
NATO is investigating the mass cyber attacks launched on Estonian websites over the past three weeks. It's the first time, as far as is known, that there has been such an assault on a state. Many government and corporate sites in the hi-tech Baltic nation have been crippled for almost three weeks after being flooded with enormous amounts of traffic.
A decision by Turkeys largest city to ban some pictures of swimsuit models has revived claims about the rising power of Islam, with newspapers saying the move was more befitting of theocratic Iran than a secular democracy. 
ISLAMABAD - Officials from Pakistan and India began two days talks on Thursday to help resolve the long-standing dispute over the Sir Creek marshland that separates the countries at the Arabian Sea. The consultations in the Pakistani garrison city Rawalpindi passed in a cordial and friendly atmosphere as the sides presented their stances on the matter, a Pakistani Defence Ministry statement said.
World Bank President Paul D. Wolfowitz resigned this afternoon, effective June 30, giving in to overwhelming pressure from bank staff and governments around the globe that he depart to end the ethics controversy that has consumed the institution. Wolfowitz agreed to resign in negotiations with the bank's executive board, pre-empting a growing likelihood that he would have been formally reprimanded or fired, said bank officials who spoke on condition they not be named, citing the political sensitivity of the proceedings.
