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2005-11-19 Home Front: Culture Wars

Kurt Vonnegut Now More Than Half-A-Bubble Off Plumb

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Posted by Anonymoose 2005-11-19 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 (Vonnegut).... used drug culture slang to describe the "amazing high" suicide bombers must feel before blowing themselves up.
Perhaps the reason for the 'amazing high' is the opiates fed to the splodydopes by their handlers?

Posted by GK 2005-11-19 00:17|| 2005-11-19 00:17|| Front Page Top

#2 because our corporations have been the principal deliverers and imposers of new technologies and economic schemes that have wrecked the self-respect, the cultures of men, women and children in so many other societies".

kurt, Kurt: You're an idiot.

People hate corporations so much they work for them others buy their products and still others sell products and service. If people hate corporation I guess they don't hate them enopugh not to take jobs buy products and provide supplies, huh?

And let us at the top of every statement, article and debate state without equivocating that the left has zero idea what bravery is, if they consider sicide bombers brave and anything other than nihilistic bastards.

I believe it is important to point out that the left admires those who kill Americans, far more than the military folks fighting for Kurt's right to relive this feverish and maserbatory fantasy about Iraq being just like Viet Nam.

Kilo Mike Alpha, Kurt.

Posted by badanov 2005-11-19 00:29|| http://www.freefirezone.org/firststrike.html]">[http://www.freefirezone.org/firststrike.html] 2005-11-19 00:29|| Front Page Top

#3 Suicide bombing was going on long before Bush was President. I think the Beruit Barracks attack was in 1983 and I don't doubt someone on this board can pull out an attack long before that.

Kurt is not a peace advocate, he is just for the other side. Bush derangement syndrom takes another. Beyond Slaughterhouse Five, a funny cameo in Back to School, and the misappropriation of the Sunscreen graduation speech what has Vonnegut done to be famous anyway?

Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz 2005-11-19 00:52|| 2005-11-19 00:52|| Front Page Top

#4 Cat's Cradle probably made Vonnegut famous and was definitely his best book. Slaughterhouse-Five wasn't that good and most of the rest of what he wrote was tedious and self-indulgent.

Posted by phil_b 2005-11-19 02:52|| 2005-11-19 02:52|| Front Page Top

#5 "Bad chemicals."
- Breakfast of Champions - a reference used frequently to describe episodes of insane behavior by the character Dwayne Hoover.

Lol... Dwayne Hoover is a Pontiac dealer doomed to go insane because of the bad chemicals in his system. It's easy see the autobiographical parallels, and personal demons, Kurt invested in Dwayne... For example, did you know Vonnegut once ran a Saab dealership? That would cause most people to consider suicide, heh. Note, giving Kurt his due here, the wife of Dwayne Hoover commits suicide by eating Drano. Heard that one anywhere? Lol.

Vonnegut rides the razor blade above the "pit" of self-doubt, self-loathing, and self-indulgence - modern Western insanity - a Moonbat stew personified in Dwayne Hoover. I think he created Dwayne to describe his frequent falls. Consider that he got this published in 1973 - more than 30 years ago... a fact which impresses me, anyway. Vonnegut's another brilliant, but deeply disturbed and flawed man who projects his internal dementia and doubts.

He projects upon his characters, of course, when he writes, which entertains and enlightens us - about him and ourselves. He projects upon others, particularly those whom he can't quite fathom for their confidence and daring, when he speaks - offending everyone who chooses not to indulge aged demented adolescents. Not being able to connect the dots is one thing... Bad chemicals is something else, entirely.

He has said he was mortally terrified of failure, well beyond what most would consider the norm, and that he is completely stupefied by success. A heavy guilt and certainty that others should be wary of his unedited words lurks therein, methinks. It shows clearly when he's speaking instead of writing. We can easily forgive his characters. It's something else to forgive him.

I love to read him, and I read everything we wrote up through 2000. I don't think I'd much enjoy talking to him... when he's off his meds.

Bad chemicals.

My take.

Posted by .com 2005-11-19 06:04|| 2005-11-19 06:04|| Front Page Top

#6 Continuing this RB literary criticism thread, what's with the whole Kilgore Trout thing? It's years since I read Vonnegut, but I never got KT.

Posted by phil_b 2005-11-19 06:50|| 2005-11-19 06:50|| Front Page Top

#7 Heh, KT was his "sane" alter ego. You know, the one who thought mirrors were leaks...

Posted by .com 2005-11-19 06:59|| 2005-11-19 06:59|| Front Page Top

#8 Need a good laugh? Check out this Dallas Observer review of the movie - from 1999. DO was a semi-underground 8 pager piece of self-indulgence that was most popular for the personal ads. Every "major" city has (had?) one of these, right? The clowns and kooks who wrote for them, decades past, are now the Kool Aid-swilling MSM staffers we know and love today. They polished their amatoor skillz doing moronic pre-Moonbat movie reviews and political punt pieces, wanking out magnificent total hash, such as this. Perfect training, no? Now they're professionals, Lol.

BTW, my favorite personal ad from the DO, the Men Seeking Women section, circa 1980-something, was:

man seeks woman
- minimalist

Indeed. Lol.

Posted by .com 2005-11-19 07:14|| 2005-11-19 07:14|| Front Page Top

#9 You guys sound suprised to hear shit like this from a liberal. I don't, they are desperate to get back to power and will say anything to further their perverted cause.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-11-19 07:50|| 2005-11-19 07:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Surprised? Nahhh, not in the least. I'm a lomgtime Vonnegut reader, well wary of his mental states... Just having a little fun on this fine Sat morning. You don't happen to know Capt. Bringdown, do you? Just wondering - you sound quite a bit like him.

Hell I'll admit it - I'm in a fairly good mood... After yesterday's vote, I think we can expect RC's Good News Law to kick in this weekend, so put on your Troll Gear, lol.

Posted by .com 2005-11-19 08:21|| 2005-11-19 08:21|| Front Page Top

#11 .com---you stole me thunder. My favorite book was Breakfast of Champions. Dwayne Hoover was a great character, and so was Kilgore Trout. He was the science fiction writer that could only get his stories published by being used as filler in porn magazines? Then there was Wayne Hoobler, whose only goal in life was to work at Dwayne Hoover's Pontiac dealership. Wayne would be by the lot from before sunup to after sundown. He would say, "Sun goin' up" and "sun goin' down," and that would be about it.
And Sugar Creek full of chemicals. That was an insane book, and very enjoyable.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-11-19 11:00|| 2005-11-19 11:00|| Front Page Top

#12 Vonnegut was an overrated bloated arse. Now he's an incoherent bloated arse.

Hurry up and die Kurt.

Posted by Oldspook 2005-11-19 11:36|| 2005-11-19 11:36|| Front Page Top

#13 . It's like your culture is nothing, your race is nothing, you're nothing."

Well, at least he got that part about Arabs and Islam right.

I've always considered him to be rather tedious. Now I think I'll stop considering him at all.

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-19 14:54|| 2005-11-19 14:54|| Front Page Top

#14 I think the last thing I read and enjoyed by Kurt Vonnegut was "Chocolate covered manhole covers" - sometime in the early 1970's. Since then, I haven't been able to get past the first ten pages. I'd certainly not spend any money on anything he wrote after 1975 - even in a USED book store.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-11-19 22:41|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-11-19 22:41|| Front Page Top

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