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2006-02-21 Europe

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Posted by tipper 2006-02-21 07:48|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Just how many millions do these people get in aid? 284 million from Isreal and the U.S. I wonder how much the U.N. collects for them? How about Europe and other Arab countries? And how many "Palestinians" are we(the international community)supporting?
These are not meant to be rhetorical questions..Does anyone here know the answers?

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Posted by wxjames 2006-02-21 09:08|| 2006-02-21 09:08|| Front Page Top

#3 "Since Israel is not living up to its responsibility under international law, large parts of the Palestinian population are now completely dependent on international humanitarian aid," Lundberg added.

What does international law says about funding genocide?

Posted by gromgoru 2006-02-21 09:30|| 2006-02-21 09:30|| Front Page Top

#4 Sweden's state-run aid group on Monday pledged more than five million euros in additional aid to the Palestinian territories as Israel and the United States halted much of their funding following Hamas's election victory.

Go ahead guys, and pour your money down a rathole. After all, it's your money...

"According to the fourth Geneva convention, the occupying power has..."

Oh, for phuque's sake...

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2006-02-21 09:31|| 2006-02-21 09:31|| Front Page Top

#5 What does international law says about funding genocide?

gromgoru, it depends. If it is an actual destroying of an ethnic group or nation, in reality, 's ok. See Rwanda, Darfur, Armenia....

But if it is genocide by refusing to pay some deadbeats' bills, as in a country whose leading/only export is splodydopes, that's offensive and should be denounced at every opportunity. Preferably while wearing a kaffiyeh.

Posted by Desert Blondie 2006-02-21 10:30|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2006-02-21 10:30|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe the Swedes are going to buy their way into Dhimmitude?

Posted by Bobby 2006-02-21 10:45|| 2006-02-21 10:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Three things.

1) A couple years ago I got figures about EU's aid to Palestine, I made the division by the Palestinian official population (notice this is inflated, ie in reality they are less Paleos tahn told by PLO) and found that the aid of EU alone should ahave alowed Palestininas living quite decently (Sorry I am completely unable to remind tghe figures). Add other sources of aid and add the revenue coming from Palestinian own work. Logical conclusion is that 90% of the money didn't go to help Palestinians live better lives. It went into the pokets of PLO people or to fund terror.

Second: I would be very interested to know how much Sweden is giving to, say, victims of Arabo-Islamic genocide in Soudan or of Taliban/Al Quaidist madness in Afghanistan.

Third: After 58 fricking years and counting Palestinians are still living on international dole. Why can't they do what, say Cypriot Greeks expelled by the Turks managed to do near immediately ie work to earn (1) their money?

(1) BTW: Just last year the Saudis were explaining why Palestinians should not be given Saoudi nationality and/or jobs in order for Palestinians having to contnue the fight against Israel so the blame is to be laid also at other Arabs feets.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-02-21 11:06|| 2006-02-21 11:06|| Front Page Top

#8 What does international law says about funding genocide?

I hope this rant will not qualify for the Sink Trap (the "burn the embassy" deleting was a bit overplayed, it *is* irony, after all), but I'm really, really wondering about the actual relationship of Europe to genocide.

I mean, on one hand, you've got a paralyzing, obsessive focus on WWII and the shoah.
This is IMHO a self-legitimacy tool used by the Enlightened Euro Elites to culpabilize the european peoples and emasculate them.
In France, you've got a public franco-german channel which airs a WWII-related program about every three days (the others are generally there to present the Middle-East issue from a paleo pov), WWII treatment of the jews is the focus of an untold numbers of fictions,... it's like this genocide is the unexpressed matrix of all european policies; Hitler truly is now the most influential pol in western Europe, because he defines all the narratives, all the political expressions. He and the ones who are assimilated to him are the Devil.
This is purely debilitating, to the point of neurosis; one cannot talk of immigration, one cannot expel illegals, one cannot use force to defend himself, one cannot support war, any type of war... Uniform = nazi; strenght = nazi; State = nazi; Nation = nazi; ad nauseam...

This reveling on the shoah is IMHO a tool of the Establishment. They rule by guilt, with that, mainly, but also with others "guilts" ("you've killed the injuns, you've despoiled Africa of its wealth, you've been slave-holders,..."), this has created a culture of victimization, not the rule of the strongest, but the rule of the weakest (the islamists play that artfully), with some funny side effects, like a racist french black stand up comedian who has immerged himself fully in "antizionism" (that is fashionable, PC-antisemitism, he's a hard leftist) because he wishes the blacks to take the place of the jews as the "Uber-victims", a kind of rivalry for the top (bottom) of the victim chain-food.

Note that I am not specifically saying that jews are to blame for this "victimization culture"; some are, some leftist jews like Bernard Henry Levy who think the defining moment of Western civilization is Auschwitz, and who were big proponents of the accelerated multiculturization of France (since ethnic french are by essence chauvinistic, racist,... their identity had to be diluted with the more advanced muslim cultures so it wouldn't pose more problems), but the Elites are not jewish, they are LIBERALS.
This is a war of the Establishement against the people, using this as a weapon.
I'm sorry, I think Europe should have groveled before Israel in 1949, we had an UNSURPASSABLE debt, we should be its staunchest ally just because we are RESPONSIBLE for its creation by Germany's crime and europe's complicity... BUT I'm in no way responsible for the Shoah, there were genocides before it (armenians, ukrainians), there had been after; I'm awfully sorry, this may be un-PC, but I don't believe at ALL in the "uniqueness" of the shoah. Please, stop force-feed us this to make us feel guilty, I've enver killed any one, I'm not a jew hater.

So, this is one hand, the sacralization, even in the law, of the shoah.

But, at the same time, while the EEE love dead jews killed by nazis (they are the basis of their legitimacy), they routinely funds explicitely genocidal forces (about 500 millions euros a year to the PA) in a bid to rival with the USA like a green euro-MP thinks so (she talks of a proxy war with the USA), they've been complcit in creating ex nihilo the "palestinian people" in 1974, when international communism and the arabs decided to opt for a "people's war" against Israel and destroy it through "civilizational" warfare. This is purely a side of the Eurabia pact, if you ask me.

The Euros have no qualms about FUNDING, HELPING, AND ABAITING the actual, present day jews killers, all the while shedding tears to WWII jews and culpabilizing the european peoples about what they've done.

They wage a propaganda war, assimilating Israel to the nazis (remember the strenght = nazi, uniform = nazi,... above), presenting the David Israel as the Goliath vs the "puny paleo people" (the actual war is not an israeli-paleo one, but at the very least an arab-israeli one, or even a muslim-israeli), they are complicit in every international orgs of this would-be genocide.

This is to the point this has repercussions in Europe itself; Europe is being transformed as we blog; France now has large areas where jews kids cannot go to school freely, for fear of being beaten, where there are numerous, unreported physical assaults of jewish people by "youths", to the point of rapes of murders.
"antizionism", that is the new, improved, PC version of antisemitism, where jews = nazis, is now freely expressed and supported by the state media (as seen in the Al durah outrage).

This is insane, insane.

You really have to understand this is a treason by the Elites; again, I believe in Eurabia, and while Israel and jews are the sacrifical lamb to this deal, the ultimate loser here is Europe, who's losing its soul, and is being sold by people who longs to be destroyed (and don't forget the petrodollars, too...).

I really, really belive we're going through a defining moment of this continent's existence. It's a cliché, but we're in the 30's. something big is coming at the horizon, and the jews are the canary in the coal mine.

Am I paranoid? Or just ill-informed and semi-incoherent? And I'm not even drunk.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-02-21 11:24|| 2006-02-21 11:24|| Front Page Top

#9 "The additional aid was necessary since Israel was not ~~living up to its responsibility~~ paying for the weapons for Hamas as an occupying power,...."
what % of muslims live in Sweden I wonder, just curious?

Posted by Jan 2006-02-21 11:27|| 2006-02-21 11:27|| Front Page Top

#10 "Since Israel is not living up to its responsibility under international law, large parts of the Palestinian population are now completely dependent on international humanitarian aid," Lundberg added.

Israel is living up to its responsibility to ITSELF. That is, not to fund its own aggressors. The Palestinians are "completely dependent on humanitarian aid" for one reason and one reason alone. The complete, total and utterly malignant corruption of their leadership. It is a governance that builds NOTHING of material worth, proposes ZERO economic growth and inculcates the most hideous death-oriented mentality this world has ever seen. This, and nothing more, is the legacy of Palestinian "leadership." Any deprivation experienced by the Palestinian people is a direct and predictable result of their choice of leaders and nothing more. Israel's actions are merely the consequence and NOT the origin of these collective malfunctions. May they all rot in he||.

Posted by Zenster 2006-02-21 11:53|| 2006-02-21 11:53|| Front Page Top

#11 so if they weren't occupying the territories the paleos would be on their own?

solution: finish the wall, declare borders, cut off ties with the paleos. give 'em a de facto nation. declare the occupation over. say bon voyage and good riddance.

then the paleos would be on their own and in no need of geneva convention-driven aid. and if the paleos attack in any way, that would be tantamount to being attacked by a foreign country, and worthy of reprisal.

Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan 2006-02-21 12:02|| 2006-02-21 12:02|| Front Page Top

#12 It may be that Sweden's pledge is conditional.

Other than that it is all dhimmitude.

Posted by mhw 2006-02-21 12:08|| 2006-02-21 12:08|| Front Page Top

#13 When will Americans understand that a sort of coup has taken place in Europe?

We are ruled by "elites" who extort money for their own gramscian games.

They do not represent the will of the people.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2006-02-21 12:30|| 2006-02-21 12:30|| Front Page Top

#14 a5089, I think you're right. Your first post along these lines opened my eyes, and your subsequent posts confirmed my opinion. That's why you need to marry and have children -- so the mutation that caused you to think so clearly (even when sober) is preserved for the benefit of the species. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-21 13:00|| 2006-02-21 13:00|| Front Page Top

#15 I don't think government (any government) represents the will of the people, it imposes it's own will and serves itself. The government of Sweden and many others are scared because they have everything to lose and they're up against an enemy that has nothing to lose. This is why average citizens (who are drowned in conflicting opinions and are not sure what to think half the time) do not take any real action (whatever that would be) because they are not willing to risk everything they've worked so hard for. These European governments (as well as our own) appease these people to dangerous limits. If you give an angry, selfish child what it wants, it's not going to make the child happy, it's going to turn the kid into a spoiled brat. That's why everyone looks to us to fix problems around the world and when we don't they cry and then try to bite. We shouldn't give Palestine one cent. Unfortuneatly, Americans are going to need another 9-11 (God forbid) or maybe even something nuclear to wake people up. These scum don't have anything to live for and sign up in droves to commit suicide attacks against us. And until we are woken up out of our comfortable consumer habits and the general public's focus on mundane crap, we won't come together as a nation and defeat this foe, which is what it's gonna take. But maybe, if the public does wake up and face each other, we might realize we are not truly united. Border tensions and that old black/white grudge have only gotten worse and no liberal dreamweaver can admit that. What the U.S. is doing in the Middle East is one giant step in the right direction. But until we can all unite in purpose we'll leave our flank open and the next thing you know the Arab's will be in charge of our port security.

Posted by shellback 2006-02-21 13:18|| 2006-02-21 13:18|| Front Page Top

#16 I took a couple of minutes and googled this group. It's the usual far-left, tranzi do-good kind of agency that has no understanding whatsoever of how the world really works, or the truth of how their "aid" money is used. They support gender equity - try squaring that with Islam. They work to "stop" AIDS in Africa by providing funds for treatment - nothing about condoms, abstinence, or fidelity. They send money, food and clothing to any place where there's poverty, but do nothing to improve the ability of the people to earn a living for themselves.

I believe in the old addage, "give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime". We can't all be fishermen, but there ARE ways for these people to earn a living in their home nations. That, and that alone, should be the sole purpose of distributing anything but emergency assistance. We do no good creating dependence, and great harm. It's even worse when such aid becomes expected, even demanded.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-02-21 13:56|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-02-21 13:56|| Front Page Top

#17 The cold temperature in Sweden must've been a factor for the brain's deficiency

Posted by Duh! 2006-02-21 16:34|| 2006-02-21 16:34|| Front Page Top

#18 Border tensions and that old black/white grudge have only gotten worse

Off topic, but I think important: Has the old black/white grudge gotten worse? In the past generation more and more African-Americans have gotten educations and become solidly middle class -- even to the point of voting Republican, becoming Secretary of State, etc. But I am white, and live in an outer suburb where just being Jewish is a major point of integration -- for quite a few people I'm the first one they've ever really spoken to (you wouldn't believe the questions I'm asked, in all innocence!) So I only have impressions, not knowledge. I ask Rantburg's non-pale contingent for your opinion: better, worse or unchanged?

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-21 16:36|| 2006-02-21 16:36|| Front Page Top

#19 An inevitable clash of cultures TW. Unless people genuinely wish to assimilate, multi-culturalism becomes a myth.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-02-21 16:47|| 2006-02-21 16:47|| Front Page Top

#20 I'm sorry, I was talking about in the U.S. -- I guess I wasn't clear, again. Was shellback talking about black/white problems elsewhere? DOesn't really work for Israel, though, as more than half the Jewish population are Arab Jews, not European, and there is a sizable contingent from from the wilds of Ethiopia, and are clearly African.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-21 16:52|| 2006-02-21 16:52|| Front Page Top

#21 oy vey iz mir. Sweden, which has a history of neutralism and a certain kind of leftism, is increasing aid, refusing to see the political (and long run humanitarian) goals of the aid cutoff. But the amount is too small to matter that much really.

While im not pleased, its not all that odd, and while im not in sweden, i doubt very much its connected to eurabia, dhimmitude, or to over focus on the Shoah.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-02-21 17:29|| 2006-02-21 17:29|| Front Page Top

#22 Some things never change....the appeasers of Hitler are now the appeasers to Islamofascism.

Posted by Captain America 2006-02-21 17:35|| 2006-02-21 17:35|| Front Page Top

#23 Sweden has the 2nd largest (by %) Muslim population in Europe and it is growing fast. Google Malmo to see what problems they are trying hard to avoid acknowledging there. (Should be an umlaut over the 'o' but Google will find it without that.)

Google Malmo and rape to get a more gritty feel.

Posted by lotp 2006-02-21 17:43|| 2006-02-21 17:43|| Front Page Top

#24 By the way, one segment of that population is pretty well aligned with Ansar al Islam IIRC.

Posted by lotp 2006-02-21 17:44|| 2006-02-21 17:44|| Front Page Top

#25 Let 'em stew. They deported me whilst the arabs drank coffee in their Malls.

Posted by rhodesiafever 2006-02-21 18:27|| 2006-02-21 18:27|| Front Page Top

#26 That does surprise, me, rhodesiafever. You're such a nice person, too.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-21 18:56|| 2006-02-21 18:56|| Front Page Top

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Posted by wxjames 2006-02-21 09:08|| 2006-02-21 09:08|| Front Page Top

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