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2012-08-20 China-Japan-Koreas

Anti-Japan protests erupt in China following island demonstration

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Posted by lotp 2012-08-20 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 Many China Blogs-Posters want Beijing to use military force to settle its ECS, SCS sovereignty disputes wid Nippon + ASEAN once + forever.

as illustrated, among other, by ...

* WORLD MILITARY FORUM > PEOPLE'S DAILY: ONE DAY, A RECKONING BETWEEN CHINA + JAPAN.

and

* CHINESE MILITARY FORUM >[TopSecretWriters.com]
CHINA WILL FORCE CONFONTATION OVER DISPUTED ISLANDS, espec as per the South China Sea = West Philippine Sea.

versus

* WORLD MILITARY FORUM > HK MEDIA: RUSSIA TO SEND PACIFIC FLEET WARSHIPS [Amphibs, Service] TO SOUTH KURILS, JAPAN ATTACKED FROM FRONT [North = Kurils, Sakhalin] AND REAR [South = Okinawa, Daoyus] AS RUSSIA MOVES TO BEGIN NEW CIVILIAN CONTRUCTION, GROUND-SEA-AIR MILITARY BUILDUP IN FORMER JAPANESE "NORTHERN TERRITORIES".

* SAME > US ONCE AGAIN REITERATES THAT DISPUTED DAOYUS [Japan = Senkakus]FALL WITHIN SCOPE OF US-JAPAN SECURITY TREATY.

* CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > SOUTH KOREA-JAPAN DISPUTE [ROK = Dokd,JPN = Takeshima], COULD AFFECT US PLANS ["Pivot"] FOR ASIA, i.e. Asia-Pacific/AsPac.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-08-20 00:50|| 2012-08-20 00:50|| Front Page Top

#2 We should have settled that long ago when in seat. I am not personally a fan of Japanese aggression again even if so soft. But maybe yes - maybe yes Japan gets that Island.

Not because they deserve ANYTHING.

Posted by newc 2012-08-20 02:56|| 2012-08-20 02:56|| Front Page Top

#3 Japan's recent history of militarism vs. China's long history of regional hegemony. It's almost like a power struggle between Hillary C. and Nancy P. It's not a pretty sight and the rest of us just want to be left out of it.

Posted by Procopius2k 2012-08-20 08:28|| 2012-08-20 08:28|| Front Page Top

#4 Worst protests in Chengdu?

Didn't Chengdu used to be part of Tibet?

Heck, didn't Tibet used to be part of Tibet?

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2012-08-20 10:53|| 2012-08-20 10:53|| Front Page Top

#5 I'd bet the average rioter in Chengdu knows absolutely nothing about the Senkakus. In fact, I'm thinking China's one child policy in which boys were favored over girls has led to an abundance of frustrated young males who are experience an extreme case of nationalism. Very dangerous.

What led to the Chinese riots:

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-08-20 11:23|| 2012-08-20 11:23|| Front Page Top

#6 Mods, sorry about the width of those videos. They didn't look like that on this page from which I copied them.

Also, as much as I'd like to the see the Chicoms get their butts kicked I'm not sure the Japanese are up to it.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-08-20 11:31|| 2012-08-20 11:31|| Front Page Top

#7 "Erupt"?!? I'd bet good money the Chinese state had a big hand in making sure they happened.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-08-20 11:59|| 2012-08-20 11:59|| Front Page Top

#8 Ebbang Uluque6305, I reset the width to 500, and that seems to have fixed the problem.

Posted by trailing wife 2012-08-20 12:44|| 2012-08-20 12:44|| Front Page Top

#9 Thank you, tw.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-08-20 13:18|| 2012-08-20 13:18|| Front Page Top

#10 I'd bet the average rioter in Chengdu knows absolutely nothing about the Senkakus. In fact, I'm thinking China's one child policy in which boys were favored over girls has led to an abundance of frustrated young males who are experience an extreme case of nationalism. Very dangerous.

The Fraudian explanations are juvenile. Fraud's drug-addled theory for what drives people was to resort to a combination of Greek mythology and sexual urges. Frankly, to say that's retarded is an insult to retards.

These people aren't sexually-frustrated - they're religious nuts in a country where empire-building, a kind of yellow-skinned mission civilisatrice (pardon my French) (1) has been the state religion for thousands of years and (2) started back when the Gauls and the Britons were running around in animal skins. They have a pre-modern world-view where strong countries bend the weak to their will, and all the rest of that. Think Genghis Khan and the classic line attributed to him: The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters. Like it or not, the religious fanaticism of the Chinese masses was such that 1m Chinese died on the battlefields of Korea convincing Truman that the Korea peninsula could not be re-unified - after the Chinese intervention - at a cost acceptable to the UN coalition opposing the Chinese expeditionary force in Korea.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2012-08-20 15:19|| 2012-08-20 15:19|| Front Page Top

#11 I take it you mean that Freud was a fraud. Having never studied the subject I won't argue. But why would you want to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters when your own wives and daughters are begging you to stay home and take care of them?

Anyway, whether they were motivated by religion, government provocateurs or Fraudian hangups, the Chinese are doing a lot of sabre rattling lately.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-08-20 19:05|| 2012-08-20 19:05|| Front Page Top

#12 Chinese instigated conflicts over control of various rocks in the sea are pointless when considered from the Mahan perspective of sea control. These rocks are also useless for ports or resupply. Even if they were invested with anti-ship missiles, they are immobile and easily bombarded. So, militarily useless.

Therefore, the Chinese are pushing this issue for either domestic politics or economic advantage. In either case, it is in the interest of the U.S. to diffuse this issue and reduce its ability to produce either outcome the Chinese are looking to achieve for their advantage.

A strategy to do that could be to accept Taiwan as a legitimate proxy in these disputes. If Taiwan and Japan come to an agreement to co-exist in these areas, then Taiwan gets the benefits rather than mainland China, and the people of mainland China are invested in the success of Taiwan in advocating for their issues.

"One country, two systems", is both a shield and a sword. The U.S. should be adept at utilizing both of its aspects.

Posted by rammer 2012-08-20 20:10|| 2012-08-20 20:10|| Front Page Top

#13 These rocks are also useless for ports or resupply. Even if they were invested with anti-ship missiles, they are immobile and easily bombarded. So, militarily useless.

I don't know the specific geology of the Senkaku islands, but land reclamation efforts might be a factor. Singapore has added 20 square miles to its land area. It's certainly possible the Chinese could do even better, given their massive financial resources.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2012-08-20 21:00|| 2012-08-20 21:00|| Front Page Top

#14 CHINA DAILY FORUM > CHINA'S MINIAL DETERRENCE POLICY ["Soft Power/Diplomacy"] IS CAUSING EXTERNAL AGGRESSIONS, by regional foreign Govts-States.

* WORLD MILITARY FORUM > UPHEAVALS IN ASIA-PACIFIC IS BEST TIME FOR CHINA TO IMPROVE AND EXPAND MILITARY.

* SAME > US SCHOLAR: MILITARY DESTRUCTION OF THE JAPAN SDFS [ditto as per Vietnam + PHIL]IN WAR BY THE PLA IS CHINA'S BEST POLICY TO FINALLY SETTLE DISPUTED ISLANDS' ISSUES. JAPAN'S PERSISTENT REFUSAL TO GIVE UP "ACTUAL CONTROL" OF DAOYUS ISLANDS [Japan = Senkakus]. CHINA'S INTERESTS IN EAST AND SOUTH CHINA SEAS, AND "FIRST ISLAND CHAIN", CAN NEVER BE ACHIEVED UNLESS CHINA HAS "ACTUAL CONTROL" OF DISPUTED ISLANDS.

The good news for China is that India's Navy may yet prove to NOT be much of a factor in the SCS, as indic by ...

* BHARAT RAKSHAK > [India] NAVY'S WAVERING DELAY [indigenous = India-built] WARSHIPS BY YEARS.

Potentially Milyuhns-n-Dilyuhns-n- ... of Yarns.

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > [Sino-Vietnam border]PLA SUDDENLY MOBILIZED ARMORED DIVISIONS FOR EXERCISE.

* TOPIX > [PressTV] US PLANNED [planning?]
MARITIME "MAGINOT LINE" FROM INDIAN OCEAN TO PACIFIC.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-08-20 23:02|| 2012-08-20 23:02|| Front Page Top

#15 OOOOPPSIES, forgot TOPIX, WORLD NEWS > USE ICJ SUIT TO EMPHASIZE JAPANESE SOVEREIGNTY, oer disputed Dokdo.

and

* WORLD MIL FORUM > POLL SURVEYS REVEAL THAT OKINAWA NATIVISTS DON'T TRUST JAPAN'S SDFS OR THE US TO SERVE OR PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS.

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All things equal, a country's claim to territory(s) is decided by whom can best defend it agz all comers, present + future.

As per WAFF, CHINA has recently test-fired its new LR MIRV/MIRV ICBM DF-41A which is capable of striking CONUS - JAPAN HAS NO NUCWEAPS + NO STRATEGIC LRBMS TO DETER OR COUNTER CHINA, DESPITE THE WELL-KNOWN PROFICIENCIES OF ITS CONVENTIONAL [read, NOT NUCLEAR = NUKE-ARMED] JSDFS.

To base on an old Mil Adage, REALITY > the Best Mil Plans are usually stopped once the first bullet in anger is fired.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-08-20 23:23|| 2012-08-20 23:23|| Front Page Top

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