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2018-01-17 Home Front: Politix
New California Declares Independence From Rest Of State
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Posted by Fred 2018-01-17 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [10796 views ]  Top

#1 Rah!
Posted by 3dc 2018-01-17 01:17||   2018-01-17 01:17|| Front Page Top

#2 well, rural CA has been trying to get out from under the coast as far back as when I lived there in the '70's. Hasn't happened yet.
Posted by Ulith Borgia4740 2018-01-17 06:28||   2018-01-17 06:28|| Front Page Top

#3 The other way is to allow the Coasties to become an independent nation of Pacifica (however, extend the Wall to cover it as well).
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-01-17 08:28||   2018-01-17 08:28|| Front Page Top

#4 When Caliphatornia is kicked out call it Pathetica

Let the US charge as high as possible tariff for importing border-crossers, electricity, water and food etc.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2018-01-17 11:03||   2018-01-17 11:03|| Front Page Top

#5 Will never happen without bloodshed. The cities have to have the resources of the rest of California to survive. Without the water being pulled from the north, LA and San Diego would be abandoned in a year and returned to the desert fully in two.
There is no electricity generation and no food producing areas. Without the rest of California, the cities would die.

Ironically the cities are becoming what the Western Roman empire was before the full collapse. More and more resources were being pulled from the East to prop up the West and when the final barbarian pushes came, the East cut them lose as they couldn't afford to keep them.

The US is starting to be in that situation with the large blue cities. The drain on the coffers is becoming more than bearable and cutting them lose to die on their own is becoming more and more realistic for the rest of the US.
Posted by DarthVader 2018-01-17 12:16||   2018-01-17 12:16|| Front Page Top

#6 I love the way they excluded Oakland
Posted by 746 2018-01-17 12:19||   2018-01-17 12:19|| Front Page Top

#7 Darth, you need to look at the proposed map. San Diego and Orange Country are included in the big section that has the sierra Nevada mountains and all their water.
Posted by rjschwarz 2018-01-17 13:11||   2018-01-17 13:11|| Front Page Top

#8 * The coastal elite part of California might want to separate because the part that wants to split is poor and to be honest probably sucks up more money from the public coffers (lots of roads that need to be paved, etc).
* The coastal elites would not want to give up control of environmental stuff. They've screwed southern California over the Smelt before, I find it hard to imagine environmentalists would willingly give up that control.
* The coastal elites would lose their border with Mexico, so they could virtue signal about Sanctuary cities all they want as the problem slowly goes away in their area.
* Central Coast tends to be conservative outside of SLO. They might have to be given concessions to join up with the coastal elites in order to keep Blue California a single uninterrupted state.
* Such a split could possibly hasten the exit of Blue California from the USA.
Posted by rjschwarz 2018-01-17 13:18||   2018-01-17 13:18|| Front Page Top

#9 New California can replace New Jersey as the 50th state. Good trade for the country.
Posted by BrerRabbit 2018-01-17 16:03||   2018-01-17 16:03|| Front Page Top

#10 Oakland is a radical left and ghetto Sierra Hotel.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2018-01-17 16:38||   2018-01-17 16:38|| Front Page Top

#11 rjschwarz that wouldn't last those cities two weeks. There is a reason that big canal is still flowing as fast as it can from the Shasta areas to the south. Without it, the southern cities are done. Quite simply they can't survive without sucking up all the water from the northern sites. There isn't enough reservoirs in the south (thanks to environmentalists) and the extra water from the Tahoe area is being pumped into the swamps to "save the spelt".
Posted by DarthVader 2018-01-17 16:41||   2018-01-17 16:41|| Front Page Top

#12 I think that mega cities are becoming obsolete. They are huge resource sinks, and with decentralization of commerce, etc, there is less reason to have them. The mega cities suck out everyone else's water, electricity, and materials. Their concentrated large population base skews voting.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2018-01-17 16:42||   2018-01-17 16:42|| Front Page Top

#13 Your just outlined exactly why the left wants the megacity AP, it creates a powerbase/plantation that dominates the rest of the state, and when they are allowed political coordination with each other, controls the nation. A mere 20-25 mega cities and their political/social/economic policies will make the US a Socialist Paradise permanently, at least until the Chinese arrive in force.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2018-01-17 17:03||   2018-01-17 17:03|| Front Page Top

#14 ...it creates a powerbase/plantation that dominates the rest of the state, and when they are allowed political coordination with each other, controls the nation.

The Founding Fathers - looking like the geniuses they are for 230-odd years!
Posted by Raj 2018-01-17 17:28||   2018-01-17 17:28|| Front Page Top

#15 #11 - San Diego is getting on the Non- L.A. MWD pipeline: Colorado River Water/buying water from Imperial Valley, DeSalination, and recycling.
Posted by Frank G 2018-01-17 17:30||   2018-01-17 17:30|| Front Page Top

#16 Why do we include Government services as a part of GDP? Should we not measure these separately?
By function and draw on GDP?
Posted by newc 2018-01-17 18:31||   2018-01-17 18:31|| Front Page Top

#17 Liberals don't really think about logistical necessities. They could easily generate enough power to support CA but would rather pay more for Texas power. I believe the same attitude will result with food and water. Pay to have someone else provide it.
Posted by rjschwarz 2018-01-17 19:20||   2018-01-17 19:20|| Front Page Top

#18 ...yep, don't dirty my house, but go ahead and dirty yours for my benefit.
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-01-17 21:34||   2018-01-17 21:34|| Front Page Top

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