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2020-04-28 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Sen. Tom Cotton Calls To Ban Chinese Students From Studying Science In The US
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Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-28 01:20|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ]  Top

#1 Keep the ban on Chinese travel in place. Ban them from coming here at all, whatever the reason.

When they admit their massive error, pay for the damages, and make some sort of cash compensation to bereaved families, then re-look the issue.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-28 01:24||   2020-04-28 01:24|| Front Page Top

#2 The Soviets never attacked us the way the Chinese now have.

We cannot go back to how things were.
Detach ourselves completely from those bastards, in every sphere.

Painful but a quick rip is much less painful than a slow peel
Posted by Lex 2020-04-28 01:29||   2020-04-28 01:29|| Front Page Top

#3 You really expect American scientists to run their labs without Chinese Gastarbeiters students?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-28 01:39||   2020-04-28 01:39|| Front Page Top

#4 Maybe there will actually be an opening of lots of jobs for young US scientists and mathematicians, and young Americans will find PhDs in those fields worth pursuing ... one can hope.
Posted by Lex 2020-04-28 01:58||   2020-04-28 01:58|| Front Page Top

#5 #4 No it won't. You need the background.
When I was a student (in the Cretaceous) every lab was run by a tenured faculty member + lab technician. Students weren't supposed to do grunt work - but to generate original research.
About this time, somebody in USA - it started in USA and expanded, had a brilliant idea "Why pay a lab tech salary - which is fairy significant - if you can let students (who get 0, or a symbolic stipend) to perform all the grunt work? They won't complain, because they're getting a valuable degree.
Well, the first consequence was, you need a lot more students to do the same amount of work as an experienced lab tech. So they relaxed the criteria for MSc and PhD admission. Secundus, original research by students went out the window - if you're running a factory, you can't let your workers do what they wish - they must do exactly as they're told. To make long story short - today western universities produce a lot more PhDs of substantially lower quality. Most of them can't find professional work because supply exceeds the demand by a considerable degree. Which means, only dumb ones (or ones with real vocation - same thing, IMO) go for it.
Now enter Chinese science students.
(a) China has a lot of expanding universities and and PhD jobs in industry - so they don't mind.
(b) A lot of these kids are upper class (In China communist officials been intermarrying with industrialists for a generation - present day CCP is no more communist [despite what some Americans think] than your average Chamber of Commerce). They don't need a job - they already have one in the family business (on either side), all they need is a PhD from a USA university as a status symbol.
To summarize, your Chinese science student IS NOT competing with "natural born" Americans - not in Sciences (programming etc..., maybe).

p.s. Even in the "Cretaceous", majority of advanced degree science/math students were foreigners. Americans are practical people who academic degrees to earn more money (that's pure envy - I wish I was practical when it mattered).
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-28 03:13||   2020-04-28 03:13|| Front Page Top

#6 But we have an insurmountable lead in gender studies.
Posted by Matt 2020-04-28 07:46||   2020-04-28 07:46|| Front Page Top

#7 After the Common Core fiasco, I almost can't blame them.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-28 08:21||   2020-04-28 08:21|| Front Page Top

#8 #6 Check the Brits.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-28 08:26||   2020-04-28 08:26|| Front Page Top

#9 Chinese students usually end up as American faculty members. They often end up leaving because they cannot obtain tenure. It is hard to get sponsored research without contacts in the U.S. and without security clearances.

A large problem is rampant PC in the universities and the "politicization" of science. This politization has bastardized science.

Universities need to develop the in-house, home-grown research capabilities.
Posted by JohnQC 2020-04-28 09:36||   2020-04-28 09:36|| Front Page Top

#10 Shut them out entirely. Wait for Pakistan to go around the restrictions and then shut them out entirely as well, make a point of it. Dare the next bastards to trade or do business with China.
Posted by ruprecht 2020-04-28 09:46||   2020-04-28 09:46|| Front Page Top

#11 Even in the "Cretaceous", majority of advanced degree science/math students were foreigners.

Sciences are no long emphasized in our feedlot liberal brainwash public schools. No longer, "cool" HUGE problem. I'm dealing with that attitude tutoring my oldest granddaughter right now.

Remember the large push during NASA's golden age? It's gone. I suspect too that the teacher's union refuses the move. Diversity a global warming are their bread and butter. Big Corps don't want it ether. Far cheaper to hire 2nd world minions.

Both factions are forcefully elling out America.
Posted by Woodrow 2020-04-28 10:06||   2020-04-28 10:06|| Front Page Top

#12 Let them take feminist studies classes, only.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-04-28 13:05||   2020-04-28 13:05|| Front Page Top

#13 grom, you left out the part about the spying.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-04-28 13:06||   2020-04-28 13:06|| Front Page Top

#14 ^It's not spying - the ambitious would'be professors are nicking staff for personal use.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-28 13:49||   2020-04-28 13:49|| Front Page Top

#15 If Cotton gets his way, the university's overall GPA will drop, that's for sure.

I don't think the universities will go for that...too much money involved.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-28 14:04||   2020-04-28 14:04|| Front Page Top

#16 Hilarious. At least g(r)omgoru touches the issue: there are no Americans to do what Asians do because..well you just have to look at mainstream culture in US and here in Europe.
Posted by Thorong Grundy1520 2020-04-28 18:10||   2020-04-28 18:10|| Front Page Top

#17 You have already several LCD panel makers in Taiwan, Korea and China preparing to output industrial capabilities of UV-C for virus sanitizing.
Will US population not buy what their own companies do not offer?
Posted by Thorong Grundy1520 2020-04-28 18:12||   2020-04-28 18:12|| Front Page Top

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