British police are currently trying to monitor "thousands" of potential security suspects, the head of the anti-terrorism unit at London's Metropolitan Police said in an interview to be broadcast Sunday. In an interview recorded in July, before the arrest of more than two dozen people on suspicion of an alleged plot to blow up US-bound aircraft, Peter Clarke said Britain was facing an increasing threat from homegrown extremists.
He refused to give an exact figure about how many people he said were either directly or indirectly involved in plotting atrocities on British soil but said the number ran into four figures. "I don't want to go down the numbers game, I don't think it's helpful," he told a BBC programme entitled "Al-Qaida -- Time to Talk?", to be shown Sunday evening. "All I can say is that our knowledge is increasing and certainly in terms of broad description, the numbers of people who we have to be interested in are into the thousands."
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Sounds like a probing job for a proctologist
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If you are cancer, -a general pain in the ass, expect an anal probe.
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As they sowed, so do they reap. Consequences are such a painful thing. I suspect a great many of the thousands will turn out to need expelling from the country.
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I'll repeat; Does anyone get the feeling that, if British authorities follow up all leads in the airliner bombing case, they will eventually end up detaining every single Muslim within their borders?
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"... they will eventually end up detaining every single Muslim within their borders?"
Hardly a bad idea too if they ship them back from whence they came from, if these don't apostate. Someday, to save their own Civilization, this may have to happen. A Cult is hardly a Religion.
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Could save a substantial amount of time and investigatory effort by declarling ALL of them guilty.... and releasing only those who renounce terrorism and swear allegiance to the crown. Deport the balance, and transport the loyal for new permanent residence in Blackpool via a London cab.
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Unfortunately there's the taqiyyah risk, Besoeker. Release only those who have paying jobs, can swear allegience to British law over Shariah while in a PET scan machine (which shows which parts of the brain are firing at the moment -- liars use a different part of the brain than truth tellers, even the trained ones), and are not in the habit of sending their children back to the old country for school or spouses.
Zenster, I think not more than two thirds would fail the test, especially of the older generation -- part of which came for the freedom of the West rather than the job opportunities -- and of the girls who just want to go to school and have fun like everyone else. And yes, I know I am naive, but I really think there is a silent minority that would love to be free of the overbearing fanatics.
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July poll had 80% of muslims in Britain primary loyalty to the ummah, not Britain.
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And yes, I know I am naive, but I really think there is a silent minority that would love to be free of the overbearing fanatics.
I'm glad to see someone else take the taqiyyah issue seriously, tw. Beyond violent jihad, it poses the most fundamental stumbling block to resolving any issues with the world of Islam.
Sadly, while there may, indeed, be "a silent minority that would love to be free of the overbearing fanatics", they remain unwilling to rebel against their jihadist masters. Since this reticence also encompasses sufficient lack of concern for how their requisite monetary donations are spent, they become a serious part of the problem.
Additionally, because when any Muslim who accuses another Muslim of un-Islamic conduct, one of them must be found to be apostate (and thereby worthy of death), this utterly discourages any rebellion, even against the most virulent jihadist imams.
This inability to confront or report even the most poisonous dogma, just so long as it is directed against the kuffar and not Islam, is what continues to damn all Muslims, no matter how inobtrusive they might wish to be.
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English feelings of pushback: Many feel threatened by Islam: poll Most people in the UK feel threatened by Islam, a poll has revealed, after the Government launched a bid to tackle inter-faith tensions. The YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph found 53% were concerned about the impact of the religion - not just fundamentalist elements - up 21% from 2001.
There had also been a near doubling of the number agreeing that "a large proportion of British Muslims feel no sense of loyalty to this country and are prepared to condone or even carry out acts of terrorism". A total of 18% backed the statement - compared with just one in 10 in the wake of the terrorist bombings in London last July.
And there was a seven point slump - to 16% - in those believing "practically all British Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding citizens who deplore terrorist acts as much as anyone else".
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PRESIDENT Hugo Chavez has announced a referendum on the question of allowing indefinite presidential re-elections in Venezuela to be held in 2010 and a plan for a socialist Venezuela. The year 2010 would come three years into Mr Chavez's next term, assuming he is re-elected in three months.
Assuming, yes. Unfortunately he's got the country beaten down right now.
"In the year 2010, when I am three years into my next term, I will call a referendum. I will call a referendum to ask Venezuelans at least two questions," he said.
Re-election would require an amendment of the Constitution, which was written and ratified under his careful watch.
He added that his new presidential term would mark a new phase of his economic and political plan, to transform Venezuela into the Venezuelan Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic. "Now, between 2007 to 2021, we have 14 years to plant, deepen the roots and extend the revolution in all directions so that Venezuela becomes the Peoples Democratic Socialist Bolivarian Republic in every way, for true equality, liberty a democracy that is deep, of the people, participatory and proactive," he said.
He made his announcements upon return from a tour of Angola, China, Cuba, Malaysia and Syria.
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Yay for socalism and it's "proven" track record. You da man, Chavez. I would only hope our democrats could mimmic your brave actions. You speak truth to power. heh. A real Che in the works there. Mr international businessman with 40 Billion lost.
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Bobo is depending on the Myth of Oil as fossil fuel to hold......it wont, and so the massive subversion of central america will be intradicted by falling oil prices. Once that begins in earnest, his rhetoric will shift to share the pain, his is a foundation based on luck, he neither contributes to World Progress nor does he understand that his oil wealth is directly tied to the hard work of others who will begin removing themselves and lesser folks will be put in charge. Its always the same with subversion, useful idiots clamor for their days in the sun, without regard to the foundations upon which their sophism rests.
Two years. Condolences to all the families, and hoping that the terrorists are rotting in hell.
MOSCOW - Hundreds of people converged on Friday on the ruins of school Number One in the southern Russian town of Beslan to mourn the 333 victims killed in the 2004 terrorist attack on the building.
Relatives laid wreaths, lit candles and left photographs of the dead in the gymnasium, where Chechen-led gunmen took more than 1,100 children, teachers and parents hostage on September 1. The Kremlins envoy for southern Russia, Dmitry Kozak, also laid a floral tribute at the site of the countrys worst terrorist attack.
The tragic events of September 2004 are another page that cannot simply be turned or not spoken about, Kozak said amid lingering questions about the official account of events.
Many Beslan families hold the Russian authorities responsible for the high number of hostages killed, including 186 children, claiming that the crisis was mismanaged and that excessive force was used in the chaotic rescue operation.
Mismanaged no doubt and a lesson to hostage-response teams everywhere, but put the place where it squarely belongs: on the 32 terrorists who took the children hostage. They were planning to die there and taking as many children as they could with them, and they succeeded.
Shortly before the anniversary, Russian media quoted a member of the investigating state commission as saying the commando assault and ensuing shoot-out was triggered by the use by security forces of heavy weapons, including flame-throwers and rockets. As the charges exploded in the sports hall, the gunmen opened fire on the hostages as they tried to flee the building.
Which they were going to do the instant the Russian rescue team moved, flamethrowers or not.
The order to launch a full-scale assault was given by officers of Russias FSB security service, the inquiry member, parliamentarian Yury Savelyev, said. Other members of the Kremlin-controlled commission accused him of political intrigues.
Meanwhile, the general prosecutors office in Moscow said the inquiry into the events in Beslan would be extended from the September deadline until January 2007.
Thirty-one terrorists were killed in the fighting, according to official accounts. The sole survivor of their group, Nurpashi Kulayev, was sentenced in May to life imprisonment despite calls for the reinstatement of the death penalty in Russia.
Never forget. Never forgive. Never 'understand'.
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Yet Russia continues to serve as Iran's nuclear midwife. Putin is no better than the Beslan murderers. Assisting Kim Jong-Il in circumventing attempts to blockade transshipment of weapons and nuclear technology makes him just another scumbag terrorist facilitator.
The recent Rantburg article that outlined the historical Soviet propagation of Middle East terrorism makes it clear that Putin is only continuing an enduring program of anti-Western activities that differ not one whit from that of the Cold War communists.
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The Beslan Massacre is one of those events that actually make me question if I'm on the same plane of reality as some other humans.
Like the Rape of Nanking, this atrocity should have woken the West to Islamo-fascism if 9/11 hadn't already...What idealogy so nakedly sacrifices such innocent children?
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I can't find the words - and I'm unsatisfied with what follows... I disagree with this Kozak character - this is far beyond tragic. JDB's characterization of atrocity, a horror beyond the pale, is infinitely more accurate.
"Tragic" is the penchant for the blame game by the Russian people. Of course their government fucked it up - it has never had any competence dealing with terrorism other than responding in kind to the terrorists - and any civilians who happen to be lucklessly involved.
The mercenary aspects of the Russians' response is revolting and repugnant - same as those who are suing the airlines, et al, for 9/11. The "there must be someone at hand I can blame" and "there must be compensation", as if that is actually possible, almost crushes my belief in my fellow man as redeemable and worthy. It sickens me.
Incompetence leading to unintended death is tragic and stupid. Murder is murder.
Putin is a KGB agent who happened to find himself a convenient and marketable frontman for his kind and has never risen above that level of scumbag. He's our enemy, no different than any Soviet leader, and the Russians are fools, their greatest chance for freedom squandered and lost.
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2nd Flyover. My wife is Ukrainian. She has said from the beginning that Putin is a very bad man. She believes that he and is cronies are keeping Chechnya going because there is money to be made and and ignorant Russian public to be manipulated. She asked me if I really thought that a Col. in the KGB, and onetime head of the Leningrad Military District wouldn't know how to deal with the Chechens?
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Beslan is the worst thing I've ever heard about, this is the incident that removed any sympathy or understanding I have for any worshipper of the murderous pedophile false prophet. At least Basayev is enjoying eternal torment.
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September 1st is my birthday, and I hate to see it come around because of thoughts of Belsan. My wife and I are taking care of an 18-month-old child and his 19-year-old mother while she tries to earn enough to get an apartment. We'll continue to baby-sit him after she moves out. I would absolutely go nuttier than a march hare if anything happened to him. If muslim-caused, there wouldn't be a muslim alive within 100 miles of here by the time the authorities managed to catch me. I'm surprised more Russian parents haven't gone that route. There are NO "innocent" muslims - they are either involved or complicit, by direct association with their "faith".
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any Russian aid to Islamists and Iran nneds to be referred back to Beslan. Whay are you arming those who killed your children. Broad brush, but it works, if implemented among the Russian people. especially starting in Beslan
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A (belated) somber but sincere "Happy Birthday" to you, Old Patriot.
This also tore the veil from my eyes as to where, exactly the MSM (including ABC / CBS / NBC / BBC / CNN / etc...) stand in the WOT - knowingly and willingly with the islamic terrorist.
I will never view a MSM newscast (or newspaper) the same again.
But I thought you said sovereign countries had a right to these things!
PYONGYANG, North Korea, Sept. 2 (UPI) -- North Korea Saturday called a U.S. missile defense test a threat and vowed to strengthen its defense measures in response. Kimmie, when it comes to "defensive measures", methinks your ideas and ours differ. But you knew that.
North Korea's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland released a statement saying the U.S. test, which was conducted Friday over the Pacific Ocean, "was aimed at attacking us and intercepting our missiles," the BBC reported Saturday. Of course. We have no other purpose on this earth than to attack your pipsqueak little failed state.
The committee also called the United States the "the main culprit" in the threat of war on the Korean peninsula. I think I may know what the problem is now.
"It is a folly that the United States wields the truncheons of power in order to scare someone into submission ... This only leads the army and the people to firm up their determination to build up our self-defensive military deterrence," the statement said. Sounds like a confidence problem. Soon to be an economic problem. Yes, we can even make nuclear weapons too expensive for you, too! Right after we invade wherever you live in the middle of the night. And put snakes under your bed.
The U.S. Missile Defense Agency earlier announced an interceptor had successfully halted a target fired from Alaska. Without any fog, of course. :-)
"What we did today is a huge step in terms of our systematic approach to continuing to field, continuing to deploy and continuing to develop a missile defence system for the US, for our allies, our friends, our deployed forces around the world," said Lt. Gen. Henry Obering, director of the MDA. Yes. Our allies and friends who for some reason haven't said anything negative about our stoopid ballistic missile defense system recently.
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It is a folly that the United States wields the truncheons of power in order to scare someone into submission
"[T]runcheons of power". Finally some sort of spittle factor! Barely a lackluster 1.65 overall, but a whole lot better than their recent aenemic fare. I guess their propaganda writers must be too hungry to concentrate.
Shinzo Abe, the nationalist politician who is expected to become Japans next prime minister, said Friday that Japan should revise the pacifist Constitution imposed on it by the United States. He made the statement as he formally declared his candidacy for the presidency of the governing Liberal Democratic Party, a post that would give him the prime ministership. Mr. Abe, the chief cabinet secretary, also said Japan should seek a larger role in the world and further strengthen its alliance with the United States.
As the next L.D.P. president, Id like to take the lead to put revision of the Constitution on the political agenda, Mr. Abe said at a regional party convention in Hiroshima. Id like to draft a new Constitution with my own hands, he added.
Mr. Abe is almost certain to succeed Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, who according to party rules will retire later this month. The Liberal Democrats control the lower house of Parliament, which chooses the prime minister.
Two other politicians have declared their candidacy in the party election of Sept. 20: Taro Aso, the hawkish foreign minister, and Sadakazu Tanigaki, the finance minister, who has emphasized repairing Japans strained relations with China and South Korea. But polls indicate that neither has a chance of mounting a serious challenge against Mr. Abe, who remains the leading choice of the general public and, more important, the party lawmakers and members who will cast the votes.
Mr. Koizumi is said to have long favored Mr. Abe, whom he appointed as the chief cabinet secretary, the governments second most visible position after prime minister. Recently, as Mr. Koizumis interest in government seemed to wane in his last weeks in office, Mr. Abe appeared to have already grabbed the baton. His image as Mr. Koizumis heir apparent was further solidified after North Korea tested long-range missiles in early July. The perceived threat from North Korea played to Mr. Abes strengths as a hawk, and he wasted no time in suggesting that Japan, a pacifist nation, should debate whether it should acquire the military capacity for a pre-emptive strike. More at link
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Unintended consequences are exactly what happens when careless Socialist skullduggery is outed as it has been. Japan has a very Big and well oiled printing press. hugobobo achtung lilkim babyasshat and the minders in moscow and beijing will now have to reprogram their subversion calendars with these unfolding data.
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This should throw the ChiComs into a tizzy, but they only have themselves to blame. Letting your little rabid lapdog Kim Jong Il run loose might not have been such a good idea, eh? Expect to see lots of violent anti-Japanese demonstrations in the near future since leftover ill will from WWII and beyond is still quite strong.
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Chinese-Japanese enmity goes back far beyond WW II. A resurgent Japan will give the Chicoms a few sleepless nights. While the Chinese can depend on our Western shame at our imperialist past to restrain us, the Japanese will not be so inhibited. Bejing has brought this on itself.
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#6 - whaddaya mean "we," white man?
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whadya mean "we"? I suuport a resurgent self-defense-capable Japan. I do not fear Japan. I fear NK's mania and China's efforts to topple Taiwan. Sounds like a welcome addition to all equations
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China's worst nightmare - a nuclear-armed, heavily-fortified Japan with a revised Constitution allowing them a real Army, Navy, and Air Force, coupled with a Japan-Taiwan-South Korea-Philippines mutual defense treaty. Mao would come up out of the ground at 80,000rpm, headed for the moon.
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Add India and Mongolia to that alliance..
BTW, Mao isn't buried. His preserved carcass is on public display in Beijing, in a crystal casket.
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What imperialist past? The Europeans have such a past, but the US doesn't. Any such shame is artificially grafted.
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Generally, when people talk about America's "imperialist past", they are refering to the Philipines and Puerto Rico, which we were responsible for after kicking Spain's ass in the Spanish-American War. However, the Philipines have been independent since 1946, and Puerto Rico is integrated into the US as a Commonwealth. And the Puerto Ricans LOVE that status, since they turn down both independence and statehood at every opportunity.
The main area of imperialism for the Europeans was Africa, and the US has turned down several opportunities to have internationally sanctioned protectorates in Africa : Somalia, Liberia, and the Ivory Coast being the most recent countries with popular support for that type of American intervention.
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TW: What imperialist past? The Europeans have such a past, but the US doesn't. Any such shame is artificially grafted.
US imperialism
In the 1800s, the expression was Manifest Destiny and the goal was a US nation that spanned the continent. The players were various Indian tribes, the British in the Oregon Territories, the French as in the Louisiana Purchase, Russia as in the Alaska Purchase, and Spain/Mexico in Texas, New Mexico, and California.
In some cases, e.g., the Cherokee, the native people were pushed out by encroaching white settlers after a series of broken treaties and skirmishes. In other cases, e.g., the Blackfeet, Indian tribes had created their own little empires by driving other tribes out using guns purchased from fur traders. In most cases the US took control from other imperialistic regimes.
Much of North America was sparsely populated and the Western governments had little knowledge of the territories and little ability to project power or govern. Essentially there was a power vacuum and the US was determined to be the first major power to exert control.
The US gained territory by building railroads and telegraph lines and by encouraging settlement by US citizens. The combination of US military power projection together with monetary compensation for territory led to the present US nation.
With the exception of Hawaii and the Panama Canal Zone, the US people have shown little desire for possessions outside North America. I suspect that the Civil War dampened national enthusiasm for military adventures at a time when European nations were establishing foreign colonies.
As a US citizen from generations of Americans, including Indian ancestors, I feel no shame for US history. I feel a little pride that I come from a line of winners. Of course the same is true for all people alive today. Losers leave few descendants. Your ancestors conquered other people and repelled invaders. (If you are a Mexican Indian read the history of the Maya, Aztec, and Inca empires concerning military domination of surrounding territories.)
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My only worry about Japan as an armed state is that deep and impenatrable racism endimic and still spread in schools may I add. But as a partner in the world, they have pulled buketloads of the worlds weight in many areas. They are worth their weight in gold. Our hands are full and Japan has proven to be a responsible Nation. Their protection is the US responsibility currently. Not a responsibility the US needs to have. If we held less presence in the region do you think it could help US grow warmer with China?
Despite mounting U.S. pressure for sanctions against Iran, the European Union said Friday it is too early to punish Tehran for its failure to halt uranium enrichment by the U.N. Security Council's deadline.
The call for renewed diplomacy came as Iran's president vowed never to give up a nuclear program that he said is being misrepresented by the West. "Exploitation of peaceful nuclear energy is our obvious right. We will never give up our legal right," state TV quoted President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as telling a rally in Maku, Iran. "The West's claim that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons is a sheer lie."
"For the EU, diplomacy remains the No. 1 way forward."
Iran ignored the Security Council's Thursday deadline to suspend uranium enrichment, opening the way for consideration of economic or other sanctions against the Islamic republic, which the U.S. and others suspect is trying to develop atomic weapons.
President Bush said Thursday that "there must be consequences" for Iran's defiance, saying "the world now faces a grave threat from the radical regime in Iran."
But EU leaders cautioned against pushing a confrontation. "This is not the time or place" for sanctions, Finnish Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency, said after a meeting of the bloc's foreign ministers. "For the EU, diplomacy remains the No. 1 way forward."
The EU as a whole has been a moderate voice on the Iran issue. However, Britain and France support tough action, while Germany is also believed to back that stance. And the bloc stressed Iran will not be given unlimited time to resolve Western suspicions about its nuclear aims and demands for strengthened international supervision of its atomic program.
The EU's wussie foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, said he would meet with Ali Larijani, Iran's top nuclear negotiator, in the coming days, likely in Europe. "That does not mean that Iran has indefinite time," Solana told reporters. "We hope that at the next meeting, or couple of meetings, we have enough knowledge (about Iran's position) to see if formal negotiations can start."
How much knowledge do you need to understand 'piss off'?
John Bolton, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said the Security Council would wait to consider possible actions until after Solana met with Larijani.
In Moscow, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin expressed regret that Iran ignored the U.N. deadline. But Russian news agencies said Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov felt strong sanctions would be counterproductive in trying to get Iran to cooperate. Russia and China, which as permanent members of the Security Council can veto its actions, have generally opposed punishing Iran. Trade sanctions could cut off badly needed oil exports to China, and Russia is helping Iran build a nuclear reactor.
The other three permanent members - the United States, Britain and France - have taken a tougher line. British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said she expected officials from the five permanent council members and Germany to meet soon to discuss the situation. Those six nations have offered a package of economic incentives seeking to entice Iran into giving up uranium enrichment. "Our goal remains a negotiated solution on the basis of far-reaching proposals" in the package, Beckett said in a statement.
French Foreign Minister Philippe Souste-Blazy said the offer of economic incentives remained on the table. "I repeat our readiness to have a lucid, responsible and transparent dialogue. We are holding out our hand."
The International Atomic Energy Agency, a U.N. watchdog agency, formally told the Security Council on Friday that three years of IAEA probing had been unable to confirm "the peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear program" because of lack of cooperation from Tehran.
Comments by a conservative Iranian cleric hinted Tehran may be counting on divisions to avert sanctions.
Iran denies it is trying to acquire atomic weapons in violation of its commitments under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. It says its nuclear program is peaceful, with the sole aim of producing electricity with nuclear reactors.
Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German foreign minister, said it was crucial that the "Security Council and its member states do not allow themselves to be divided by this conflict" with Iran. But comments by a conservative Iranian cleric hinted Tehran may be counting on divisions to avert sanctions. "The U.S. supports sanctions, but we hope others will use their wisdom," Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati said during his Friday prayer sermon. He described Russia and China as "independent" and said that "Europe should be independent and not follow the U.S."
U.S. and European diplomats have said they are focusing on low-level punishment at first to win backing from Russia and China. Sanctions could include travel bans on Iranian officials or a ban on the sale of dual-use technology to Iran. Russia and China are expected to resist heavier measures, like trade sanctions. The Neverending Story
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hell, there's so many muslims in EU now, they probably have kissing cousins in Iran
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As long as Ahmadyadayadayada maintains his confrontational attitude towards only the Great Satan and Little Satan, then there is no public pressure within the EU to do anything about Iran. They can pretend they are not a target and do not have to stir up their large muslim populations. At the same time, they can let a level of anti-American sentiment justify their innaction.
This approach works in Britain, no?
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I wonder what percentage of islamic influence in the EU are in a position to make a difference? Or is the EU just afraid of pissing these followers of islam off.
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The best thing is to remove all US forces from the EU and downgrade trade relations. Let them live or die on their own efforts. As long as Iranian missiles can reach no further than Oslo or St. Petersburg, what concern is it of ours?
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As long as Iranian missiles can reach no further than Oslo or St. Petersburg, what concern is it of ours?
Simple. Muslims taking control of France's nuclear arsenal. Do you suggest we nuke Europe as well?
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I have the solution to the Iran problem. First, build a HUGE pipeline from Iraq, through Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, the Gulf Emirates, and Oman, to the Arabian Sea. Build a second pipeline to the Red Sea. Then mine the he$$ out of the Straits of Hormuz and destroy Iran's ports on the Indian Ocean. We continue to get oil through Oman, they don't have anywhere to ship theirs but Russia and points north, which are awash in oil. Pretty soon, the mullahs will begin to get hungry.
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And how will sanctioning Iran or stationing troops in Germany prevent the muslim takeover of France?
Zen, it's now against our interests to provide safety to people who stab us in the back or triangulate for fleeting advantage. With our advantages of power, distance and demogrpahics, the US should become the ultimate triangulators, playing coy and speeding up the inevitable conflict between Europeans and muslim. Better they fight it out first and the US saves our strength for the final push.
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You may have seen this morning's editorial in the Post. It manages to recycle pretty much every lie and smear over the past three years in a last ditch effort to divert attention from the facts, and the role the Post itself played both in the march to war and in the leak (see Woodward).
I know many of you are better versed in Plamegate than either Valerie or I and I also know that some of you will be addressing the editorial.
I want to let you know how much Valerie and I continue to be buoyed by your support and your dedication to getting the truth out and holding the administration and its lackeys accountable for the terrible policies they have foisted on our country and on the world. We must keep fighting.
As you think about this, our website (Wilsonsupport.org) has a copy of the letter I sent to the SSCI when its report first came out, challenging some of its conclusions. The LeftCoaster has a terrific study by eriposte on the whole Niger forgery case from beginning to end. Firedoglake and the Next Hurrah both have highly informative analyses of the case by skilled researchers and former prosecutors. I recommend them all as resources to jog memories. by this afternoon, I expect that our own team will have an updated set of talking points to distribute for your use as well.
Each of you in one way or another has contributed to the public's (and in many cases our own) understanding of the issues from the beginning. Thank you for continuing to do so.
Joe Wilson
ahhhh yes, ignore acknowledged facts and admissions by Armitage, et al. Instead, get your "facts" from FireDogLake, Kos, MyDD, and other "unbiased" sources
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Even Bob Beckel, an inveterate paid Dhimmicrat liar and shill, dumped Joe and Val like used toilet paper today on Fox. The WaPo piece was far too damning to reject - and he knew it. In all his appearances on Fox and elsewhere as a Talking Head, it was the only time I've ever been compelled to believed him.
That the WaPo piece was written by one of the staff perps who tried to sell the entire BS conspiracy meme was amazing and telling enough. That WaPo actually stood up and published it qualifies as a near-heart-attack level admission.
This DU "letter" from Joe to his true believer tools - probably still expecting / hoping they will donate money or buy books or something - is political burlesque. Only the terminally BDS-afflicted can deny the truth after WaPo has so publicly swallowed such a gigantic turd.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld reached out to Democrats late Friday, opening up the door for them to retract their stinging indictment of him as Pentagon chief.
In a letter to Congress's top Democrats, Rumsfeld said recent remarks he made during a speech in Salt Lake City were misrepresented by the media, including by the Associated Press. Rumsfeld said he was "concerned" by the reaction of Democrats, many of whom called for his resignation and said he was treading on dangerous territory.
"I know you agree that with America under attack and U.S. troops in the field, our national debate on this should be constructive," Rumsfeld wrote Friday.
During his speech before thousands of veterans Tuesday, Rumsfeld said the world faces "a new type of fascism" and warned against repeating the pre-World War II mistake of appeasement. He alluded to critics of the Bush administration's war policies in terms associated with the failure to stop Nazism in the 1930s, "a time when a certain amount of cynicism and moral confusion set in among the Western democracies."
Without explicitly citing Bush critics at home or abroad, he said "it is apparent that many have still not learned history's lessons." Aides to Rumsfeld said later he was not accusing the administration's critics of trying to appease the terrorists but was cautioning against a repeat of errors made in earlier eras.
"Thought and careful preparation went into what I said," Rumsfeld wrote in the letter. "It is absolutely essential for us to look at lessons of history in this critical moment in the war on terror." I was honored by the reception my statements received from our veterans.
Pentagon press secretary Eric Ruff said Rumsfeld's letter "reaffirms his Salt Lake City speech and it suggests lawmakers who have criticized his remarks move beyond politics and read it for what it is." Ruff said the "speech raises important questions about how America and free societies are going to confront the 21st Century terrorists who are serious, lethal and relentless."
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I wonder if the left even realizes that it may not get many more chances like this? Rumsfeld is to be commended for his effort at reuniting a divided America in its resolve to thwart global terrorism. Sadly, I doubt that liberals will even be able to abandon their hatred for all things Bush long enough to join hands at this crucial juncture.
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Good observation, Zenster. Rumsfeld is as honest and plain-spoken as Truman ever was - making him completely alien to the Dhimmicrat BDS & Meme Swilling partisans - as well as assorted morons from other hotspots of dementia. Though I would welcome them accepting his invitation, we need an honest and rational 2-party system, it would rank up there with the WaPo story admitting the Plame Game was a partisan farce... I'm not sure my heart could stand it, LOL.
In the end, I think I'm perfectly safe. They're too far gone to recognize the simple truth or genuine honesty.
Written in 2003, this is considered seminal for blogger commentary.
Wretchard makes a stunningly logical case that Islam having WMD would necessarily lead to the extermination of Islam.
THE THREE CONJECTURES
A Pew poll finds 40% of Americans worry that an US city will be destroyed by a terrorist nuclear attack . James Lileks thinks the annihilation of a city is a dead certainty and will only mark the start of a long, wearying struggle against Islamists armed with nuclear car bombs.
The imminence of the threat is open to debate. Despite the perception that technological diffusion has put weapons of mass destruction within easy reach of Islamic terrorists -- the cliché of a mullah brewing anthrax in a cave -- terrorist weapons remain at the 1970s level. The Al-Qaeda attack on the September 11 was the most sophisticated terrorist assault in history. Yet it did not employ any new technological elements, just the creative use of old techniques like the airline hijacking. High explosives, small arms, and poison gas still comprise the terrorist arsenal.
The limiting factor is the lack of terrorist engineering resources to make sophisticated weaponry. The principles of ballistics, explosive chemistry and aeronautics needed to make combat aircraft are well known; but groups like Al Qaeda don't have the personnel, facilities and secure environment to turn the concepts into a working object and so have no combat aircraft. Making a uranium A-bomb of the simplest kind is comparable in complexity to manufacturing a Douglas DC-3, even given the fissile materials. But the SAFF (Safing, Arming, Fuzing, and Firing) issues alone pretty much ensure that it cannot be developed from a mullah's cave. US weapons are one point safe -- with less than a one in a million chance of detonating accidentally if their explosive primers were improperly activated. Unless the Islamists engineer similar precautions, their weapons would be unusable. The safety record of terrorist bomb factories and the history of prematurely detonating car bombs would see Islamabad vaporized before Manhattan. Analogous problems exist for biological weaponry. There are no Biosafety Level 4 facilities in tribal areas or tents in North Africa and an accidental plague that wiped out the population of the Middle East would hardly help the Islamist cause. Only a state in the near term -- Pakistan, Iran or North Korea -- will have the manufacturing resources and secure territory to make the weapon that Lileks and the Pew respondents fear.
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Well said. So when are we going to end this or are we going to play this game until the nation state of Iran aquires the weapons and the mullas use it on us? It is only a matter of time before they get the capability, build or steal, and when they do they will use it. If there was ever an arguement for a preemptive strike this is it.
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He understood at that moment that mankind's moral capacity would have to expand to match its technical prowess or it would perish.
Iran is the epitomy of technical prowess outstripping moral capacity.
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"So when are we going to end this or are we going to play this game until the nation state of Iran aquires the weapons and the mullas use it on us?"
There's times when I wonder, "What the fuck are we doing? Why are we continuing to screw around with Iran and the EU and the UN in this pointless, stupid dance which will NEVER accomplish anything?"
And there's also times when I'm convinced that Bush is NOT going to prevent the MMs from going nuclear (in part because he's hemmed in politically here at home).
But there are also times when I remind myself that Bush has said, absolutely and positively, that the MMs will NOT be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons, PERIOD.
And the safest bet, I figure, is that he means it.
Faster, please...
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Things will become clearer after the November elections.
An Iraqi government spokesman says the US military has transferred control of the notorious Abu Ghraib prison to Iraqi authorities and the "prison is now empty of any detainees or prisoners".
"The Abu Ghraib prison has been officially handed over yesterday (Friday) by the coalition forces to the Iraqi forces and the prison is currently under the Iraqi administration," spokesman Ali al-Dabaqh said. "The prison witnessed violations of human rights during the former regime and also under the US forces," he said, adding Iraqi authorities will decide on what needs to be done with the facility in the future.
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The conviction of several low-ranking US soldiers ..........while senior officers who were RESPONSIBLE remained in denial, are running TRADOC installations, enjoying retirement, or contracting jobs in the beltway. Nothing is too good for the ranker, and that's what he'll bloody well get.
...Centuries from now, some lone Muzzywuzzy hiding in Tierra Del Fuego, perhaps the last remaining Muzzywuzzy alive after they finally tripped the last lever and the bulk of humanity decided to immunize itself forever from this pestilence, will be put off his feed thinking about Lyndie terrorizing Abu Gaga doinkers. This will "out" him and he will gasp his last - seething in Muzzywuzzy anger...
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Besoeker your rant qualifies for lefty thinking. Go get the frigging facts.
1 - the actions of the guards occurred on their own initiative and testimony indicates they knew theyd be hammered if the command chain knew.
2 - senior officers up to and including the commander of the unit responsible for the facility were relieved of duty, not because they were implicated as active agents in the event, rather for the traditional military offense of not providing proper supervision and control to preclude such events. Unlike civilians who occupied management positions when something goes down and do not suffer consequences because there is no direct involvement, in the military system each member in that chain of command, and some staff officers, were, for what passes in the military, fired. The process of firing is not a quick boot out the door, unless there is a courts martial and the defendant waives appeal or voluntarily accepts a discharge for cause. Otherwise, they cycle to an assignment where they can be passed over twice for selection and then be forcibly discharged. Thems the rules and laws.
Massoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish autonomous region of northern Iraq, has ordered the Iraqi national flag to be replaced with the Kurdish flag in Kurdish areas, in a move that could further inflame ethnic tensions in Iraq. According to Azad Jundiyani, a member of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan in Suleymaniyah, Barzani issued a formal message asking for the Iraqi flag to be lowered. The message was also broadcast on Kurdish radio on Thursday.
The Kurdish flag is already flown outside government buildings throughout Kurdistan. A move for Kurdish autonomy has slowly been gathering momentum since the 2003 US invasion of Iraq. Sunni Arabs fear that Kurds are pushing for secession under the nation's new federal system, a step which, if imitated by the Shia majority in the oil-rich south, would leave Sunnis little national resources.
In May, the Kurdish parliament in the northern city of Arbil unified the Kurdish region's two long-standing administrations, one headed by Barzani's Kurdistan Democratic Party and the other by Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan.
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Joe Biden's plan lives
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Back-up plan for Kurdistan if the Shittes and Sunnis mess up a good thing. Which they are so far.
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Surrounded by enemies, landlocked, taking artillery fire from Iran, a Kurdish separatist movement causing distress in Turkey next door, the rest of Iraq going through hell -- I wish them luck, they'll need it.
The European Union said Friday it has begun paying "social allowances" to 625,000 Palestinians left unpaid and poor because of the financial crisis besetting the Hamas-led Palestinian government.
The funds made through a program overseen by the World Bank bypass the Palestinian government and benefit "those who have suffered a significant loss of income" when much foreign aid and some of the Palestinians' own revenues dried up after Hamas came to power earlier this year.
Besides direct cash payments of about 270 (US$347) to each person, EU money will finance Palestinian health services and utilities, notably fuel to run generators.
Among the 625,000 Palestinians now receiving direct financial support are 11,500 health workers who are no longer receiving their salaries, said EU External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner.
The EU is funneling some 600,000 (US$771,000) a month through the program, launched in July for a three-month period. Ferrero-Waldner said she hoped a review this month would result in its continuation.
In all, the EU has put aside 105 million (US$135 million) to be disbursed through the aid plan. The 25 EU nations are contributing another 60 million (US$77 million).
"We have kept our promise to help relieve the suffering of the Palestinian people during the current crisis," she told reporters before the start of a two-day meeting of EU foreign ministers who considered ways to revive the Middle East peace process after the Israel-Hezbollah war.
Ferrero-Waldner said that, to date, the EU special funding program has paid for, among other things, medical supplies to 413 primary health care centers and 22 hospitals, and the purchase of 1.5 million liters of fuel to run air conditioning and generators at hospitals and water facilities, after the Gaza power plant was knocked out by Israel in July.
Most U.S. and EU foreign aid to the Palestinian government dried up this year because Hamas is seen as a terrorist organization on both sides of the Atlantic. Additionally, Israel has been withholding some US$50 million (US$64 million) a month in taxes it collects on behalf of the Palestinian government.
Also Friday, the EU pledged 50 million (US$64 million) in humanitarian aid to Palestinians at a donors conference in Sweden. U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland said several other "impressive new pledges" were made at the meeting that focused on the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip.
"I believe today we will take a big step forward" toward raising more than US$200 million (156 million) for a U.N. emergency appeal to help Palestinians, he said in Stockholm. And the skim game will proceed apace. Only Arafat was better at it than the EU "leaders" and the UN Vultures.
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The EU is starting to openly finance terrorists. If the Pallies stage a terrorist attack that kills tens of thousands of Americans, I think there will be repercussions to Europe.
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The Palestinians will see this, correctly, as jizya, which will strengthen Hamas at Fatah's expense. After all, when Fatah was in charge, the EU payments went to the party, forcing the little people to actually work for their subsistance. Could they any more obviously be feeding the crocodile?
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I guess Israel is going to have to take one of its Jericho III missiles and reprogram it to attack Brussels when things go south in the Middle East. At least the Phrench will surrender before Paris has to be nuked. Da$$$$ EU "enablers".
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Why are Palestinians so special that they must recieve these allowances?
They're Jew haters and killers, something Europe is too embarrased to admit to. File under "Feeding The Crocodile"
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All this money should have been spent rebuilding the greenhouses. Then see if the moron Palestinians actually produce anything with them or just smash them up all over again. If they smash them one more time, let them starve. Forever.
Palestinian militants who held two Fox News journalists hostage for nearly two weeks threatened in a statement posted online Saturday to abduct non-Muslims visiting the Palestinian territories and kill them unless their demands were met. The statement, posted in the name of the Holy Jihad Brigades on a Web site frequently used by militants, said the group would kill any hostages it takes unless they converted to Islam, paid a ransom or Muslim prisoners were exchanged for their release. "Any infidel blood will have no sanctity," the group said in the statement.
It was not possible to verify the authenticity of the statement, which was dated August 27 _ the day militants released American journalist Steve Centanni, 60, and New Zealand cameraman Olaf Wiig, 36. They were seized Aug. 14 in Gaza City. Palestinian security officials said the name of the group was a front for local militants. They said they had tracked down the kidnappers _ whom they would not identify _ through third parties, but did not say whether the journalists' were freed under a deal.
Several Muslim clerics have issued edicts in the past stating that a visa issued by an Islamic country to a non-Muslim person carries an implicit guarantee of the holder's safety. One of the most recent fatwas, issued in August by an Egyptian cleric, asserted that the guarantee applies to visiting Israelis in spite of popular anger over Israeli military action in Gaza and Lebanon.
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A standard solution needs to be the bulldozing of one city block per hostage in each of the "refugee" camps on a daily basis until they are released. Armed resistance to the demolition work gets artillery fire walked in to do the job from afar and with less accuracy. Enough of this crap.
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They'd better target "infidels" over there somewhere.
'Cuz they'll be in for a shock if they try to target us here [in the US] - at least in the Red States.
I can't think of any reason why anyone who had any other choice would go into self-induced hellholes like Gaza, etc. And why, if they did, they wouldn't carry VERY large guns.
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I can't think of any reason why anyone who had any other choice would go into self-induced hellholes like Gaza, etc.
typical Paleo active efforts to miss an opportunity. Stupid f&ckers
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Take one square kilometer of territory for each hostage taken, and keep it forever, muslim-free. It won't take long for the paleos to turn on the "Holy Jihad Brigades" - or Israel has control of the entire Gaza strip, West Banik and half of the Sinai.
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#4 Zen - Let me rephrase that.
I can't think of any reason why anyone normal who had any other choice would go into self-induced hellholes like Gaza, etc.
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Cracks emerged Friday in Israel's coalition government over the Lebanon war, as Defence Minister Amir Peretz demanded a full-scale inquiry, putting himself at odds with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. "I have come to the conclusion that, to guarantee the fairness of an inquiry, its transparency and to ensure public trust, a real state commission should be created," declared Peretz after talks with MPs from his Labour party.
MPs in the centre-left party, Olmert's main coalition partner, gathered to discuss the 2007 budget, but the focus switched to a state commission, Israel's most authoritative type of inquiry, to examine failures of the 34-day war. Most of Labours 19 MPs have already demanded a state commission rather than the more limited public inquiry ordered by Olmert. Olmerts decision, unveiled in a televised address that stressed the successes of the war, has been heavily criticised from both the left and right.
But Peretz is now publicly at odds with Olmert, who has flatly rejected any question of muck-raking at a state commission level, leaving aides to leak their annoyance to the press under the shield of anonymity. Peretz continues to duck his responsibilities, just like he has done since the end of fighting in Lebanon. Politically speaking, his behaviour is contemptible, the Yediot Aharonot daily quoted one Olmert aide as saying. The spat made headlines in the countrys two biggest selling newspapers, Yediot and the tabloid-style Maariv. Olmerts Aides: Peretz Has Lost His Mind and Olmerts Aides: Peretzs Behavior Dumb they cried, respectively.
Peretz initially opposed a state commission until he came under pressure from left-leaning circles in his own party, and was accused of zigzagging by Infrastructure Minister Benjamin Ben Eliezer in the MPs meeting.
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regime change within two weeks?
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regime change within two weeks?
Probably why Peretz called for this. Last ditch attempt to save his own political career.
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National Government and fullbore inquiry possible?
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"We will not stop until Hezbollah is no more. I mean until Hezbollah is disarmed. No, I mean, until we get our soldiers back. OK, until Kadima is no more."
UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Israel has dropped its objections to Indonesia joining the U.N. peacekeeping force in south Lebanon, and the two sides are now discussing when Jakarta would send a promised 1,000 troops, a U.N. official said Friday.
Indonesia is one of the countries that want the 'Zionist entity' to cease to exist.
After talks that included U.N. peacekeeping officials, Israel reversed its claim that, because the two nations did not have diplomatic ties, it would not allow troops from Indonesia, the official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the negotiations were private.
Ehud has been a big disaster in this battle, and he's working on being a complete disaster.
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Isreal should make it clear that Indonesia troops have to stay on the Lebanon, and they forfiet their lives if Isreali soil is violated.
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Indonesia's one of the Islamic moderates, google "Timor, Indonesian protectorate and safe haven"
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Another utterly foolish going back on own words by the Omelette's SNAFU leadership.
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Israel forfeits another point. What's the score?
Israel-bear the fault.
Israel-give up your soldiers.
Israel-withdraw from Lebanon.
Israel-bear terrorist attacks by jihadis.
Israel-allow Hezbollah to keep arms.
Israel-accept troops from Indonesia and other Muslim countries seeking the death of Israe)l.
Lebanon-...
6 to 0 by my count.
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IMO, the only diff. between French UNIFIL and Indonezian ones---less fall out when IDF has to kill the later.
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Lebanon -- partly in rubble waiting to be bounced in the next round. But since that doesn't seem to bother anybody so long as Hizb'allah keeps handing out Iran's freshly printed US$100 bills in $12,000 lots, there's no reason to put it down on Lebanon's side of the ledger.
Indonesia has yet to agree to the Regional Cooperation Agreement On Combatting Piracy and Armed Robbery Against Ships in Asia (ReCAAP), because it is believed not in line with the sovereignty of the three neighboring countries securing the Malacca Strait.
If RECAAP is aimed at securing the sea in Asia from armed piracy, why building an information centre under the ReCAAP in Singapore, which is one of the three fully sovereign countries securing its territorial waters in the waterway, Defence Ministry`s defence strategy director general Maj Gen Dadi Susanti told the press here.
"Therefore we have yet to agree on the ReCAAP as long as it is aimed at controlling security in the Malacca Straight by the three countries," said Dadi on the sidelines of the 5th round meeting of the Defence Cooperation Agreement (DCA) between Indonesia and Singapore.
ReCAAP is a regional cooperation to combat piracy in Asia, initiated by Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi in October 2001. After formulating for three years it was introduced to 16 countries, namely ASEAN+ 6 (Japan, Kotrea, India, Sri Lanka, China and Bangladesh, ReCAAP was finalize in Tokyo in November 2004.
On April 20, 2006 eleven countries, namely Brunei, Cambodia, Japan, Korea, Laos, Myanmar, Philipines, Singapore, Sri Lanka, India and Thailand, signed the agreement. Indonesia and Malaysia still refused to sign it as they believed it is still not in line with the sovereignty of three neighboring countries securing the Malassa Strait Selat Malaka, although ReCAAP and the information centre are scheduled to go into service on September 24, 2006.
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Must be code worded for not islamic. muslims have the self determined (given by allah) right to plunder all that is not muslim. Stopping such actions is un-islamic. It's not piracy it's allah's will.
WESTERN media apply double standards when reporting on Muslims and are often ignorant about sensitive issues for the religion, Indonesia's president was quoted by the Antara state news agency as saying today.
"If non-Muslims are killed in fighting, then the Western media exaggerates the news. But this is not the case when Muslims are killed in Palestine, Iraq and Lebanon," President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono told a conference on the resort island of Bali.
"Muslims all over the world do not need special treatment, but they only want to be respected in the same way as adherents of other faiths," Dr Yudhoyono told the gathering of journalists from around the world.
He singled out the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad in Danish and other Western media.
"The publication of the Prophet Mohammad's caricature has come as a surprise to all of us. Even more surprisingly, a number of Western journalists said they did not know that it was forbidden," Dr Yudhoyono said.
Many Muslims regard any depiction of the Prophet as an offence against their religion.
Denmark's government declined to apologise for the cartoons, saying the country's media was free and independent.
The row over the cartoons sparked violent protests in parts of Asia, Africa and the Middle East in which at least 50 people died.
More than 85 per cent of Indonesia's 220 million people follow Islam. Most Indonesian Muslims are moderate, but public concern on Islamic issues and militancy have grown in recent years.
Those little snafus like 9-11, Bali, Madrid, Bali II and London might have something to do with it.
"The publication of the Prophet Mohammad's caricature has come as a surprise to all of us. Even more surprisingly, a number of Western journalists said they did not know that it was forbidden," Dr Yudhoyono said.
Forbidden to you, f&ckwit, but not to us. Now go play on the freeway or something.
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"Western media apply double standards when reporting on Muslims"
They certainly do. They don't report 99.99% of the bad stuff moslems do and blame it in the moslems who did it - rather than blaming it on everything and everyone else but.
As opposed to blaming every Christian anytime one Christian (or purported Christian) does something bad or says something stupid.
Pfui.
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The Western Media actually hasn't reported enough about the past recurrence of orchestrated/organised atrocities/genocides happening in Indonesia since its independence. It seems a remote place.
Before the Internet came along it was easy for co-religionists in neigbouring countries' MSM to censor much of such reports until even immediate neighbours knew little about the going ons there.
Indonesia comes across as a country little admired for justice and shrouded in a bad karmic shadow that easily induced the '04 tsunami to claim the heaviest toll.
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UNIFIL: United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon. They've been there since 1978. When is the 'interim' force going to leave and a permanent, useful force come in?
IRAN warned major oil-consuming nations today that the imposition of UN sanctions over its refusal to halt uranium enrichment would lead to a rise in oil prices, Iranian news agencies reported.
"Sanctions on Iran and a sudden rise in global oil prices would hurt the economies of the large oil consuming nations," Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Reza Sheikh-Attar was quoted as saying.
"With the rise of every dollar in the oil price, the economy of the large oil-consuming nations will be affected," he added, without elaborating.
"We have devised different scenarios for the sanctions, and based on the opposite party's action we will implement our plans," he added.
Iran ignored a UN Security Council deadline on Thursday to suspend uranium enrichment - a process used to power a nuclear reactor but which can also be used to provide the fissile core of an atomic bomb.
The United States, leading the drive to impose sanctions on Iran, accuses it of seeking nuclear weapons, a charge it vehemently denies.
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For these clowns to say that sanctions mean nothing to them, they sure are saying that sanctions mean something to them.
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Iran is a net importer of refined products. Than we want to warn Iran that we are shifting towards an economy with alternative fuels, hybrid cars. That will result in a barrel price of less than $10 in about 10 years time. Another funny correlation...high oil prices and the level of the Dow Jones which is only 300 points away from its highest level since 2000....
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F&$k them, start the sanctions and see who suffers more. I would gladly light a match to my SUV and take the loss if it meant we would be able to rid this planet of the nut cases in Iran.
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49 Pan, I suspect that you are involved in too much of a magical thinking here. Taking out your SUV may not be that helpfull in the grand scheme of things. ;-)
"The Russians are charging us an arm and a leg for this high tech gear. We really need to step up the pace of this insanely expensive nuclear arms R&D push before they bomb the daylights out of us. So send lots more money."
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Stupid move. We are already investing in alternate sources (Shale, Coal) - hiking the prices may hurt the economies for a short time - but markets will adjust and Iran will find itself priced out of the market.
Iran's violation of yesterday's U.N. deadline to halt its nuclear program leaves no doubt that its goal is to build atomic bombs, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton charged. He said the U.N. Security Council must be ready to impose sanctions on Iran for its nose-thumbing response to the rest of the world. "There's simply no explanation for the range of Iranian behavior which we've seen over the years other than that they're pursuing a weapons capability," Bolton said. He added that the Security Council didn't have to be unanimous in taking action - meaning China and Russia might not be able to veto a strong U.N. stand.
Bolton's tough words came after Iran's president vowed "never" to back down in its showdown with world powers over its nuclear program. "The Iranian nation will not accept for one moment any bullying, invasion and violation of its rights," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said.
There you have it, in black and white. Bolton says they're working toward a bomb. It takes a willful suspension of disbelief to avoid coming to that conclusion. Nejad sez "ain't nobuddy tellz us what to do!"
The Euros (and the Russers) can talk, blather, convolute, and try and sweeten the Danegeld, but those are the two positions. If they were on the same side as us, their actions wouldn't make any sense. But since they regard both the U.S. and Iran as potential threats, triangulation between the two sides makes sense, at least to them.
I think we've pretty well got this lineup down now. That's why we'll end up going with "unilateral" sanctions. And we won't be surprised when the Euros oppose us and sell their technology to the enemy when we go to war with Iran.
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Not trying to keep repeating myself, but the Euros response, more than any of the others, is entirely irresponsible. After 2 1/2 years of EU-3/Iran talking, etc. etc.
We are to blame as well. We keep giving military defense candy to the indulging Euros.
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Iran's goal is not a bomb. Their goal is to drop a bomb.
And since Europe is in range, but the US is not, guess who's the most likely target.
Al
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Please don't forget that we are in range of a freighter carrying an Iranian bomb. The EUnuchs believe that they are not the target. They are probably correct - they are not the primary target, but they will be a secondary target if they ever resist dhimmitude. The Euros are an enemy of the USA.
The Russians want a rematch after loosing the Cold War. The Chinese are already in a low grade conflict with us, and thus benefit from Mooslim vandalism of the West.
The USA will have to find a path forward that does not depend on "allies" like these.
As an aside, the we need to cut off any further military aid to the other countries of NATO. If they want to go to Afghanistan with nerf bats, so it goes. And no further resources to the UN - we will need them for own survival.
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#2 FA - according to Ahma-nutjob, their first and foremost target is Israel.
And if a bunch of Arabs get killed too, so what? Iran is Persian.
Ahma-nutjob knows he doesn't have to actually drop a bomb on the EUnichs - just threaten them with one and they'll fall all over each other to be the first to help destroy America kiss his ass.
Then they'll wonder why their economies tank and their "Asian" and "North African" conquerors immigrants rise up and start killing infidels.
And they'll still blame America and the Joooooos.
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I agree with you anonymous5089. The words of the man himself.
"Europeans will be responsible for any event in the region and they will be harmed first," he said without giving details.
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Iran doesn't want "A" bomb, but "lots" of bombs. The time to target and hit them is now, before they move forward. Use nice, dirty nukes that will leave the areas uninhabitable for 10,000 years, so they won't be able to retrieve anything that isn't totally destroyed. If you can't play nice with the big boys, expect to have your teeth handed to you in a paper bag.
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EUROPEAN Union foreign ministers agreed today to take two more weeks to try to clarify Iran's stance on halting sensitive nuclear work after Tehran ignored a UN deadline to stop uranium enrichment.
EU hapless foreign policy chief Javier Solana will meet Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, in Europe early next week to clear up ambiguities in Tehran's 21-page reply to a major power offer of cooperation if it stops work that could help build a bomb. Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitrij Rupel told Reuters after the 25 ministers discussed the issue at a meeting in Finland: "We give Solana two weeks for his clarification talks."
"And after that we shall give him another two weeks."
Mr Solana and other ministers insisted there was no deadline, but he said time was short and he would report to ministers at their next regular meeting on September 15. He said he would be talking with Larijani also on behalf of the six powers which agreed on the package of economic, technological and political incentives - the United States, Russia, China, France, Britain and Germany. An EU official said there could be consultations among United Nations Security Council members before then but the Council would not formally take up the matter.
Asked when he now expected Tehran to comply with the UN resolution, Mr Solana said: "Yesterday."
Snort. Snicker. You and what army, Javier?
EU diplomats said ministers wanted to take a bit more time not so much because they believed Tehran would have a change of heart but more to show public opinion and sceptical Security Council powers Russia and China they had explored every avenue. "After what happened on Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, we really have to convince people that we have gone the extra mile," one said.
Neville thought the same thing.
Ministers declined to talk publicly about what sanctions they might apply if Tehran did not comply. However, British Europe Minister Geoff Hoon said Iran had had plenty of time to respond to what he called the perfectly reasonable request and he had called for "robust action". "Despite our intensive efforts of the last six months, there has up to today unfortunately been no signal of reciprocity from Iran," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters.
But he added: "We in the EU and Germany have no interest in an escalation in the coming days and weeks due to deliberations in the Security Council."
French Europe Minister Catherine Colonna said it was important to continue the dialogue with Tehran while reminding Iran of the international community's conditions. Asked how long Iran had to comply with the Security Council's demands on its nuclear program, she said: "Rendezvous in a few days."
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2 Weeks, huh? And after that, whatcha gonna do EU?
"Ambiguities", LOL. Okay, I guess there are quite a few EUphemisms for "FUCK YOU".
Boy, I'm sure they'll get really extra tough after they piss away 2 more weeks. What's it add up to now - 3 years?
Then, when the Russkies and ChiDinks veto any UNSC action, they'll wring their hands and say, "Well, we tried. Let's talk some more, add some more carrots, try to torpedo whatever the US is doing. Yeah, that's the ticket!"
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They don't need two weeks for an answer. They got it. They're just in convulsions cause their heads are about to explode over whether they fear Iran more than they despise Bush. It's like that scene near the end in the original Star Trek episode with the Nomad probe.
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Can't take 'no' for an answer because they have no other solution.
We need to stop protecting the Euros with missile defense and such.
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Czech Foreign Minister Cyril Svoboda said a coalition might have to impose sanctions unilaterally if the United Nations was unable to agree on punitive measures.
"It will be very, very difficult, but ... please, we need to stick together with the United States," he told reporters.
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that would be a short campaign. They export oil and natural gas, and import refined gasoline. = they are short on refinery capacity, even shorter should consequences hostilities break out
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Anyone read Tom Clancy's book "Clear & Present Danger"? They had this really nifty stealth bomb that they dropped on a truck to make the bad guys think that someone had car boomed them.
Given the MidEast propensity for such tactics wouldn't it be neat to have a B2 drop a stealth bomb on the MMs? Gee, what was that? Looks like some opporsition group hit 'em wit a car bomb. Too bad, dudes.
TEHRAN: The United States said on Friday it was consulting European governments about possible sanctions against Iran for intransigence over its nuclear programme, but
...the EU signalled it wanted to see more dialogue with Tehran...
the EU signalled it wanted to see more dialogue with Tehran. Iran faces the threat of UN Security Council sanctions after the UNs atomic watchdog said Tehran had refused to stop work on its nuclear programme by a Thursday deadline. Washington accuses Iran of seeking atomic bombs, a charge Tehran denies. Tehran, which says its nuclear programme is solely for power generation, remained defiant but reiterated it was open to talks over the issue.
If the Western countries try to prohibit our nations advance in peaceful nuclear technology by making frowning faces, they shall face this nations anger...
If the Western countries try to prohibit our nations advance in peaceful nuclear technology by making frowning faces, they shall face this nations anger, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quoted by state TV as saying in a speech.
The United States is the driving force behind possible sanctions but Russia cast doubt on whether the Security Council could reach a quick consensus and said threatening Iran would lead to a dead end. The five countries with permanent seats on the UN Security Council - China, Britain, France, Russia and the United States - plus Germany will meet in Berlin on Sept 7 to discuss the way forward, the French Foreign Ministry said.
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The continued EU fecklessness is expected - I've been thoroughly conditioned now, yet it's still astounding in the face of the Iranian statements which ruthlessly mock their cowardice. New lows are achieved daily, now.
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Why shouldn't they? They believe we will defned them from any "real" threat and we have done nothing to disabuse them of the notion. It is time to pull out of the UN and NATO and replace them with organizations that will work made up of democracies that will fight.
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Come on guys, anything different from our own State Department wonks just a level or two down from Condi?
You think any of those types of people ever got a class in - ..."at this point, you no longer have a job. You turn it over to the big boys with big guns."?
LONDON - British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett voiced regret on Friday at Irans latest rejection of global demands to halt uranium enrichment and said the so-called E3 (Britain, France and Germany)would discuss the situation soon.
In a statement issued after the UNs nuclear watchdog issued a new report on Iran Thursday, she again urged the Islamic republics leadership to restart talks with the West. I regret that Iran has not taken the steps required by the (UN) Security Council. I urge Iran once again to do so, which would allow negotiations to resume, she said.
Mrs Beckett added that the latest IAEA report also suggests a lack of full co-operation with the IAEA. We will be consulting our international partners on next steps, which will require further action by the Security Council, as envisaged in Resolution 1696, she said.
The British minister added that she expects an early meeting with her French and German counterparts in the E3, which has spearheaded Europes diplomatic efforts to resolve the Iran crisis diplomatically. Their goal remains a negotiated solution based on proposals made in June by the E3, plus Russia, China and the United States, she said.
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"He described the West as 'the civilization which enslaved Africa...' "
That's rich, coming from an Arab's lackey. The facts are:
"In his fact-filled work on the history of the Muslim Arab slave trade in Africa, Murray Gordon notes that this trade pre-dated the European Christian African slave trade by a thousand years and continued for more than a century after the Europeans had abolished the practice. Gordon estimates the number of slaves 'harvested' from Black Africa over the period of the Muslim Arab slave trade at 11 million roughly equal to the number taken by European Christians for their colonies in the New World."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SStephan/islamic_slavery.htm
Now, he does have that Hiroshima thing correct, and he really ought to think about it, because that was just a firecracker compared to what we can do now if we have to.
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Americans invite al Q assholes to fuck off, turn blue, and DROP DEAD. Preferably yesterday.
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Every day I am more convinced that dropping them dead is really a pretty fine clear idea.
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I can't wait for the day Zawahiri gets smoked. I hope it's slow, with an American standing over him the last thing he ever sees, just like that other scumbag. Evil douche.
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Adam Gadhan is an Arab bitch, obviously deranged from repeating Imam "studies" involved bending and as high. Stockholm syndrome from an Orange County LA punk
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Keep in mind -- this is the second invite for us to convert to Islam. (The Iran dwarf was first) And Islam supports that it has been the Prophet's way to invite the infidel leaders to the right way. Actually the Quran indicates that this invitation is the prelude to military subjection if refused.
These folks are broadcasting to us their moves. Their concept of this prophecy is based on the war of Armageddon from the book of Revelation in the New Testament. The difference is they believe the goal is to subject the whole world to submission to Allah, and to establish Sharia Law and the Quran as the rule of all people.
[Sherry as ed note] I copied some of this info from someone from somewhere at sometime. Sorry, I can't source the author, but I've read similar writings acknowledging the same. We need to remember, Islam does believe in this offer of converting before a military strike.
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This was the talk of the dinner party tonight. We were a Pole, a Canadian, a Mexican and several Americans. 'Twas the Polish lady that had read the Koran and explained what this all meant, and what the options are under the circumstances. The Fox reporters' conversion at pistol point was also mentioned. General defiance was expressed all around... none of this incited by me. I was quite heartened. Phineter Thraviger1073, I think you're right.
The President' American Legion speech on the terrorist enemy given at the end of August, was only the first of a series. Hopefully, by the time he addresses the UN General Assembly on Sept. 19, the enemy will be better clarified. Frankly, I was hoping he would play the Sunni-Card over the Shiite enemy. A good bet is that he won't close that door because a major head-on attack on the Mahdi Army, will help put an end to the Iraq "civil war" rhetoric that Pentagon loudmouths chose to muddy at the worst time. No Mahdi Army; no Civil War. Get rid of the Shiite-Threat, and the Sunnis will turn on al-Qaeda et al.
Bush Setting Up Next Terror Speech
WASHINGTON - The White House is bringing representatives from countries that have suffered terrorist attacks to populate the audience at President Bush's next war-on-terror speech, to emphasize the global nature of the enemy.
Bush often ticks off a list of attacks from recent years, such as those in London, Madrid, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, to demonstrate that the world should be united against Islamic militants who share a purpose if not a common network.
In a speech Thursday that launched a new offensive to build support for the Iraq war and for Republicans in the fall elections, Bush said various factions of terrorists belong under the same umbrella, even though many terrorism experts do not agree.
The president included under that large tent Sunnis who swear allegiance to al-Qaida, Shiites who support groups such as Hezbollah, and so-called "homegrown" terrorists with more local grievances.
Speaking before an American Legion convention in Salt Lake City, Bush said the global war against these terrorists _ whom he said share "the rigid conviction that free societies are a threat to their twisted view of Islam" _ is today's successor to last century's fights against Nazism, fascism and communism.
On Tuesday, the president plans to expand on this description of the enemy, said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino. The speech is being delivered to the Military Officers Association of America. Members of the diplomatic corps, all representatives of countries that have been attacked, will also be there, she said.
Bush will describe how Islamic militants think, what they have said about their aims and why the world should take them seriously, Perino said.
The speech is to be the second in Bush's latest round of addresses on Iraq and the war on terror. This round is to culminate in remarks on Sept. 19 before the U.N. General Assembly in New York.
Other speeches are expected to focus on successes and setbacks in the war on terror and on the Bush administration's strategy to win.
It appears that the black helicopter brigade were right all along about Area 51, since US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operatives this week arrested 15 aliens at the facility who were, chillingly, in the process of painting military aircraft when the net closed.
That's according to an official ICE report under the splendid headline "ICE arrests 15 aliens in Roswell working for US military contractor".
The aliens in question were described as "determined to be illegally residing and working in the United States" and will be sent back to their place of origin.
Any US reader who suspects that he may be working alongside an alien can report any "suspicious activity by calling ICE's toll-free hotline at: 1-866-347-2423". Stay vigilant.
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I think my boss is an alien! Please come get him and send him back to the planet he came from!!!
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WTF??? Roswell is in New Mexico. Area 51 is at Groom Lake, in Nevada, at the Nellis Air Force Range.
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Kinda makes you want to skip to the next article doesn't it, Pan?
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Afghans Who Fled Conflict Face Cultural Divide in U.S.
"Face Culture Divide"? You betcha. Feel free to about "face" should preserving your "culture divide" your loyalties.
Mothers and daughters and sons joined the workforce for the first time, sometimes earning more than the father and undermining his traditional role as breadwinner.
"With their own money to spend, sons and daughters became more independent," Javid said. "The fathers started feeling kind of useless.
An expectable by-product if your one big skill is reciting a book from memory.
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Zen, I think you're being a trifle harsh. I've been reading a lot lately about just regular ole men folk with some of the same issues regarding the decreasing value place on the male role in our society.
Heck, it bugs me on occasion to hear the "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" type rants.
Do they have to learn to cope? Yep. Is that an easy thing to do when you're basically talking about a 200 year (or more) culture shift? Nope.
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I'll readily admit it, AlanC. I'm just fed up to here with the endless bleating about all the trials and tribulations that Muslim immigrants face in America.
Moreover, Zéba's editorial policy to "keep it largely free of the two most divisive topics: politics and religion" doesn't hold much promise from publishing anything by RAWA. Additionally, contrary to the foregoing, advice given in the "Dear Auntie" column will, nevertheless, be "Islamically correct."
Just another, almost painless, incursion of sharia law into our society. Try to remember the old phrase, "the death of a thousand cuts."
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another episode in constant bleating to change society to avoid offending/discouraging the individuals. STFU and got to school or learn a skill or GTFO. No exceptions. Cultural stupidness doesn't give life mulligans
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Well, I can't say that "I'm just fed up to here..." doesn't describe me a hell of a lot of the time on just these kinds of issues.
But, it does sound like they're trying to assimilate but not lose the old country. The Italians, Irish, etc. have been doing the same thing for years. Let's see how that hip-hop lover turns out. After all, he didn't turn it off.
The one's that I want to throttle are those like CAIR and the LaRaza types that expect us to adapt to them.
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British police are currently trying to monitor "thousands" of potential security suspects, the head of the anti-terrorism unit at London's Metropolitan Police said in an interview to be broadcast Sunday. In an interview recorded in July, before the arrest of more than two dozen people on suspicion of an alleged plot to blow up US-bound aircraft, Peter Clarke said Britain was facing an increasing threat from homegrown extremists.
PRESIDENT Hugo Chavez has announced a referendum on the question of allowing indefinite presidential re-elections in Venezuela to be held in 2010 and a plan for a socialist Venezuela. The year 2010 would come three years into Mr Chavez's next term, assuming he is re-elected in three months.
Despite mounting U.S. pressure for sanctions against Iran, the European Union said Friday it is too early to punish Tehran for its failure to halt uranium enrichment by the U.N. Security Council's deadline.
Massoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish autonomous region of northern Iraq, has ordered the Iraqi national flag to be replaced with the Kurdish flag in Kurdish areas, in a move that could further inflame ethnic tensions in Iraq. According to Azad Jundiyani, a member of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan in Suleymaniyah, Barzani issued a formal message asking for the Iraqi flag to be lowered. The message was also broadcast on Kurdish radio on Thursday. 
The European Union said Friday it has begun paying "social allowances" to 625,000 Palestinians left unpaid and poor because of the financial crisis besetting the Hamas-led Palestinian government.
Cracks emerged Friday in Israel's coalition government over the Lebanon war, as Defence Minister Amir Peretz demanded a full-scale inquiry, putting himself at odds with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. "I have come to the conclusion that, to guarantee the fairness of an inquiry, its transparency and to ensure public trust, a real state commission should be created," declared Peretz after talks with MPs from his Labour party.
Iran's violation of yesterday's U.N. deadline to halt its nuclear program leaves no doubt that its goal is to build atomic bombs, U.S. Ambassador 
EUROPEAN Union foreign ministers agreed today to take two more weeks to try to clarify Iran's stance on halting sensitive nuclear work after Tehran ignored a UN deadline to stop uranium enrichment.
TEHRAN: The United States said on Friday it was consulting European governments about possible sanctions against Iran for intransigence over its nuclear programme, but 
