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Southeast Asia
Attack on M'sian tanker foiled as crewman races off with pirates' boat
An attack by Indonesian pirates on a Malaysian tanker was foiled Tuesday when a quick-thinking crewman from the vessel leapt into the robbers' boat and sped off in it to fetch the police, officials said.

The tanker, which was carrying diesel from Malaysia's Port Klang to Myanmar, was boarded before dawn by 10 pirates off the northern island of Langkawi in the Malacca Strait.

"All the suspects got up on the tanker and they left their boat beside the tanker ship. Then one of the crew of the tanker ship just stole the boat," an officer with the Langkawi marine police base told AFP.

Leaving the pirates stranded on the 4,629-tonne tanker, owned by Malaysian company Netline, the crew member raced to the marine police base and raised the alert.

Police arrived at the scene a little after midday and managed to persuade the suspects, all of whom are Indonesians, to give up about three hours later.

"The pirates threatened to blow up the boat during negotiations but the police finally got them to surrender," Noel Choong, head of the International Maritime Bureau's Piracy Reporting Centre, told AFP.

All 19 crew members on board the tanker were safe, although the captain is believed to have sustained a light head injury, said a northern region marine police officer.
Posted by: phil_b || 06/14/2005 19:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You know, someone could make a case that the crewman committed an act of piracy...

I don't expect justice in that part of the world.
Posted by: Jackal || 06/14/2005 19:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Always secure your exit first, boys.
Posted by: Shairong Sninter4063 || 06/14/2005 20:51 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran: We Got Nuke Help From Pakistan....
NBC Evening News saying NOW (1830 EST):

Head of Iranian AEC: "I do have information that some years ago through intermediaries we recieved centrifuges..." Head of IrAEC says Dr Khan was the go-to guy.

Mike

Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/14/2005 18:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No one else has said it yet, so:

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn!
Posted by: Jackal || 06/14/2005 19:31 Comments || Top||

#2  A big f*ckin' DUH! Every nuke-wannabee got stuff from Khan (actually the ISI). We need to put some panties on his head, of course Pak would never allow that. Some freakin' "partner".
Posted by: Spot || 06/14/2005 21:07 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Saudis Reject Call for Inspections
Posted by: Sherens Snath6013 || 06/14/2005 16:44 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There is some suspicion that the Saudis were involved with some multi-national nuclear development a while back. Money + free time + inferiority complex = trouble.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/14/2005 19:07 Comments || Top||

#2  good reason why Mecca got irradiated...."whudn't us!"
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 19:21 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi Blogger: Chirac's Gov Pays $75 Million for release of Journalist
The French TV Channel 5 stated today that a ransom of 75 millions US Dollars was paid to Haiyat Ulama Moslemen of Hareth Al-Thari to release the French journalist Florence Aubenas. The TV stated that this ransom was paid to save Jacque Chirac in the next election. FA was kidnapped in Jan 2005 by one of the terrorists group which has a link with Al-Thari group. Althari is like the God-father for the terrorists groups and the outside negotiations with the kidnappers always occur through him and his group. Today the Iraqi forces and US forces raid his house and found arms but he was not there. Many times this man and his son and his group stated that they got strong link with the terrorists groups and they pay a great respect and support for Zarqawi.
Posted by: RG || 06/14/2005 16:19 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Chirac gives Al Qaeda $75,000,000.00. Lets invade France...
Posted by: RG || 06/14/2005 16:31 Comments || Top||

#2  More from Yahoo news:

n a news conference often interrupted by laughter over her ironic account, Aubenas said her kidnappers made her wear a T-shirt reading "Titanic" and asked her for the email address of French President Jacques Chirac. Aubenas said she could not comment on the conditions leading up to her rescue but only talk about her time in captivity.

Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 16:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Yup, them's our friends, the French...
Posted by: Raj || 06/14/2005 16:32 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't trust the French any farther than I can throw them (and with my bad back that's not too far) but $75 million is too large a ransom to believe. This sounds bogus.
Posted by: Captain Pedantic || 06/14/2005 16:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Agree... some money probably exchanged hands but certainly not 75 million.
You might not think much of the French press but this would be out there and it would NOT be good for Chirac.
And whatever, Chirac as no chance to be elected again... he's as lame as a duck can be.
Posted by: True German Ally || 06/14/2005 17:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe 75 million francs? What'd that be - about $1.98?
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 17:31 Comments || Top||

#7  WHAT THE F***!
Yeah lets give money to the terrorists to fund their cause. And to encourage them to kidnap MORE folks. How stupid is that.
GEEEEEZZZZZ. Is this for real?
This only reinforces how glad I'm American and not French.
Posted by: Jan || 06/14/2005 17:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Reporter without borders reported that the kidnappers had asked for a 15 millions dollars ransom, this seems more believable.

Note that money is not important here, the main concessions were probably political and done in favor of the syrian power and/or Hezbollah (you can expect France to oppose to the Hezbollah's disarment even more than before...).
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 06/14/2005 18:16 Comments || Top||

#9  Just when it seems the Phrench couldn't be more contemptible, they manage to sink even lower.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 20:34 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Yemeni tells al-Houthi to hang it up
Yemen is trying to convince northern rebels to surrender to avoid more clashes, which have cost more than 700 lives, the foreign minister said on Tuesday.

Foreign Minister Abubakr al-Qirbi told Reuters that state troops were in "full control" of rebel areas in the mountainous north of the Arab state and that the situation was stable.

"I hope they surrender because we do not want more bloodshed as a result of this futile conflict which is being instigated by old-fashioned ideas about rules and government in Yemen," he said on the sidelines of a meeting in Qatar.

Yemen says rebels loyal to slain Shi'ite cleric Hussein al-Houthi want to install clerical rule and preach violence against the United States and Israel.

Last month, Yemen's president said Houthi's father, who is blamed for the new round of fighting, agreed to a peace deal, but there have been some small clashes since then.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/14/2005 16:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:


Afghanistan/South Asia
Musharraf says Afghanistan will be free of al-Qaeda in 10 years
The militant al Qaeda network should be dismantled and sustainable democracy achieved in Afghanistan within 10 years, allowing foreign troops to leave, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf said on Tuesday.

Musharraf told Reuters in an interview that a sustainable democracy with a central authority needed to be achieved in neighbouring Afghanistan, its militia removed and a strong Afghan army created, before foreign troops could leave.

"All this is do-able in 10 years and I am very sure that the way we are going we will be able to dismantle the al Qaeda organisation totally (within Afghanistan in 10 years)," Musharraf said during the first visit by a Pakistan president to Australia.

"I think in 10 years we should be able bring a semblance of democracy that is sustainable, ensuring the integrity of Afghanistan."

U.S. and Pakistani officials say they don't know where bin Laden is, but their best guess is somewhere along the rugged border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"We have broken (al Qaeda's) cohesion, their lateral and vertical cohesion (in Pakistan). That's a great achievement because they cease to exist as a homogenous body able to execute operations in a command and control environment," Musharraf said.

"But ultimate dismantling, ultimate elimination (in Pakistan) will take time."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/14/2005 15:58 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi al-Qaeda warn against talks with government
Iraq's al Qaeda vowed to kill anyone negotiating with the U.S.-backed Iraqi government in a Web statement on Tuesday, a sign the group was worried about possible divisions among its Sunni Muslim allies.

The group led by Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was responding to what it said were reports that tribal leaders in Iraq's third-largest city Mosul, the scene of frequent outbreaks of guerrilla violence, were seeking talks.

"Liars claim that the sheikhs of tribes in Mosul plan to hand over mujahideen (holy fighters) and assist the crusaders and apostates, and we do not know which tribes or sheikhs they speak of," the Sunni Muslim group said.

"We will impose God's punishment on anyone who stands by the crusaders or becomes their ally or supports them. The righteous swords are unsheathed and hunger for blood," it said in a statement posted on an Islamist Web site.

The Iraqi government said on Sunday some rebels had approached it looking for peace terms but gave no details of who had made contact.

Zarqawi issued a similar warning in an audio tape attributed to him in April, referring to reports that U.S. and Iraqi officials had offered to negotiate with some militants.

Zarqawi's group is the deadliest among several waging an insurgency against U.S. forces and the Iraqi government. Rebels include secular nationalists from Saddam Hussein's ousted Baath party and foreign Islamists.

The Shi'ite-led Iraqi government has often said it is willing to talk to rebels who stop fighting.

"We reiterate that there will be no dialogue with the Jews and Christians other than the sound of bullets, blood and fire," Al Qaeda Organisation for Holy War in Iraq said in a separate Web statement.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/14/2005 15:57 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  well I must admit, this sounds like they're really afraid of the negotiations.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 16:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Hmmmmm - lessee. You're an Iraqi jihadi who's tired of killing your countrymen and hiding from them because they're so pissed at you.

But if you stop killing them and agree with the freely elected government that you'll become a regular citizen again, your buddies in al-Q will kill you.

What to do, what to do?

Maybe put those hard-earned killing skills to use one more time and KILL THE AL-Q LOWLIFES would be a good idea, no? ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/14/2005 16:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Or even easier, drop a dime and call the evil crusaders and let them do the dirty work.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 06/14/2005 19:01 Comments || Top||

#4  better yet - kill yourself and take out your scumbag friends. Allah and George W guarantee the virgins, k?
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 19:20 Comments || Top||


Zarqawi carboomer busted
Security forces have captured a reputed key member of Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaeda in Iraq terrorist group who is accused of building and selling cars used by suicide bombers, the government said Tuesday.

Jassim Hazan Hamadi al-Bazi, also known as Abu Ahmed, was arrested June 7, it said in an announcement. It added that he was part of an al-Qaeda cell run by a man identified as Hussayn Ibrahim.

Al-Qaeda in Iraq and other extremist Islamic groups have been blamed for many of the suicide car bombings, beheadings and attacks that have killed at least 1,009 people since the Shiite-led government was announced on April 28. According to the announcement, al-Bazi built and sold remote-controlled bombs used in roadside attacks from an electronic repair shop in Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad. It added that al-Bazi sold the bombs for about $18,000 each "and was involved in building suicide vehicle" bombs and land mines that were used in Balad and Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad. One such suicide car bomb attack Monday in Samarra — and an ensuing gunbattle between insurgents and police — killed three policemen and a civilian.

The government statement said al-Bazi "was also an active weapons dealer selling missiles, guns, mortars and hand grenades. Iraqi security officials believe he is a primary suspect for providing weapons and the training for attacks against the Iraqi people, the Iraqi government and the Iraqi security forces."
This article starring:
ABU AHMEDal-Qaeda in Iraq
ABU MUSAB AL ZARQAWIal-Qaeda in Iraq
HUSEIN IBRAHIMal-Qaeda in Iraq
JASIM HAZAN HAMADI AL BAZIal-Qaeda in Iraq
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/14/2005 15:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder if they will be able to make him talk?
Posted by: anymouse || 06/14/2005 16:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Too bad they no longer are the suicide drivers and have started using remotes.
How about having him test drive a car :)
Posted by: Jan || 06/14/2005 18:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Indeed. Send out in the middle of an empty field and have him demonstrate is technique. On satellite TV.

Just betchya he'll do allah proud.
Posted by: Michael || 06/14/2005 18:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Ima thinking we could combine this with the old TV Game show skit where various participants got keys to start a new car, with only one working...Abu can ride shotgun for all the key tries :-)

Wheels of Misfortune!
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 18:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Article: It added that al-Bazi sold the bombs for about $18,000 each

$18K a bomb? All right, that's it - I'm switching careers.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 20:42 Comments || Top||

#6  Okay, that's 18k for the bomb. But for just a little more, I'll throw in the all-season radials and clearcoat protector, too. Whaddaya say?
Posted by: eLarson || 06/14/2005 23:19 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Pakistani Cleric Disputes FBI Claims
A white-bearded cleric on Tuesday disputed FBI allegations that his 22-year-old grandson received jihadist training at his Islamic seminary near Pakistan's capital, calling the charges "a pack of lies."
And if you can't trust the word of a white-bearded Pakistani cleric with his own madrassah.......

Qari Saeed-ur Rehman, head of the Jamia Islamia madrassah in Rawalpindi, said his grandson Hamid Hayat and son-in-law Umer Hayat, 47, were wrongfully arrested in California last week, and he dismissed suggestions they were linked to an al-Qaida cell. "Hamid Hayat never received religious education at my madrassah. There is no terrorist camp here. We reject such FBI allegations," Rehman, a supporter of Afghanistan's former Taliban regime and a critic of the U.S. government, said in an interview with The Associated Press.
Yeah, a trustworthy sort....

"All allegations leveled against them by the FBI are a pack of lies," he added.
"Lies, all lies!"
The Hayats were arrested on charges of lying to federal investigators after what the FBI said was a yearslong investigation into possible connections between some members of the large Pakistani community in Lodi, Calif., and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network.
Assistant U.S. Attorney R. Steven Lapham said Hamid Hayat, a U.S. citizen, traveled repeatedly to Pakistan where he "learned to kill Americans" while attending a terrorist camp for six months in 2003 and 2004. According to an FBI affidavit, Umer Hayat said his son was drawn to jihadist training camps in his early teens while attending Rehman's 550-student madrassah, which is at a grand mosque in a teeming commercial district of Rawalpindi, about eight miles from Islamabad, the capital.
Ground Zero for the auto weapons and explosives set.
Pakistan's government, a key ally in the U.S.-led war on terrorism, denies there are any terrorist camps in the country. Officials say al-Qaida bases along the border with Afghanistan were smashed by Pakistani army operations in 2004.
What about the ones in the capital? Hello?...
Rehman said that during the 1980s, his seminary sent students to fight alongside other "holy warriors," known as mujahedeen, against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan — a struggle coordinated by Pakistan's intelligence agencies with CIA support — but the cleric denied producing jihadists today.
"A number of students from the madrassah went to Afghanistan to fight against Soviet troops, and at the time the Americans were providing funds to mujahedeen. Pakistan's government was encouraging students to go there," Rehman said. "It is a part of history and who can deny it? We are not doing it now because it is not the policy of government."
Can't tell if his lips fell off, must be the beard
Rehman said that both Umer and Hamid Hayat had visited the seminary but neither studied there.
"No, certainly not. They just came for the elk hunting season."
Rehman's son Attiqur Rehman, who is also a cleric at the madrassah, said Hamid Hayat lived at a village near Islamabad from April 2003 until this May 27, marrying in 2004. He said Hamid went to the United States last month to arrange for his wife to emigrate there.
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Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 15:54 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:


International-UN-NGOs
No recall of U.N. chief oil-food meeting
UNITED NATIONS, June 14 (UPI) -- U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan does not recall a 1998 meeting in which an executive reportedly claims he was assured of an Iraq oil-for-food contract.
The "I can't recall" defense. Can't be charged with lying about a bad memory, someone might come up with real evidence to prove otherwise if you say "I wasn't there"
The chief spokesman at U.N. World Headquarters in New York Tuesday also said records do not reflect such an encounter and neither does a "trip coordinator" who attended the Franco-African summit in Paris Annan was attending at the time.
Fancy that.
Coincidentally, Annan was in Paris Tuesday.
The Independent Inquiry Committee into the U.N.'s Oil-for-Food Program said earlier in the day it was "urgently reviewing newly disclosed information concerning possible links between ... Annan and representatives of Cotecna Inspection Services."
"Crap, how did we miss shredding that document?"
The Swiss contractor bid for and won contracts under the oil-for-food program while the secretary-general's son, Kojo Annan, was a consultant in 1998.
The statement followed a report in Tuesday's New York Times saying a memo written by a Cotecna executive discussing efforts to win the contract said he met with Annan and his "entourage" and the executive was told, "We could count on their support."
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 15:43 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "my mind is jello, jello, jello."
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:36 Comments || Top||

#2  You mean maybe I was there?
This is most discomforting. Remind me to issue myself a stern reprimand. In the strongest terms!
Now... what's the dinner menu look like?
Posted by: K. Annan || 06/14/2005 16:43 Comments || Top||

#3  If he can't recall the meeting, then obviously nothing important happened in it. So we should all just move along, there's nothing to see here, nothing at all...
Posted by: Captain Pedantic || 06/14/2005 16:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Mizz Hillary has this act down to a "t"
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 18:39 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
10th anniversary of terrorist raid marked
BUDENNOVSK, Russia, June 14 (UPI) -- The town of Budennovsk in Russia Tuesday observed the 10th anniversary of the deadly raid by Chechen fighters led by Shamil Basaev. During the raid, Basaev and his men held about 1,800 people hostage for six days. The incident ended with the deaths of 147 people and the wounding of more than 400 people.
The 10th anniversary was marked by a prayer service and a demonstration by young people in the center of town under the slogan, "We remember," Radio Free Europe reported.
Basaev continues to play a leading role in the fighting in Chechnya and has claimed responsibility for such major terrorist incidents as the 2002 hostage taking at a Moscow theater and the 2004 hostage taking at a school in the North Ossetian town of Beslan, the report said.
Still killing, after all these years
The separatist Chechen Web site chechenpress.com hailed the Budennovsk operation as having "forced the Russian authorities to heed the Chechen resistance and to begin the process of peacefully regulating the Russian-Chechen conflict of 1994-96."
Yeah, that worked out well.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 15:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Uzbek hard boyz head home via Iran, Tajikistan
They pay off Iranian mobsters and Tajik border guards, buy forged passports and visas for $300 a pop and rely on the whispered advice of an international network of Muslims who help militants slip undetected across borders from Afghanistan to Uzbekistan. Former members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, who gave themselves up in exchange for amnesty, said they used the terrorist trails to return home to Uzbekistan -- routes easily traveled nearly four years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Hasan Satimov, 30, used the clandestine network as recently as September 2004 to return from Afghanistan to Uzbekistan via Iran. He first used the Silk Road militant routes when he slipped across the Afghan border to Iran soon after Sept. 11 but within a few months returned to Afghanistan because he ran out of money. He finally went home to Uzbekistan after Uzbek authorities guaranteed him amnesty.

Satimov's home is in Namangan, in the religiously conservative Fergana Valley, the most populous region of Central Asia, where Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan meet. Namangan is the native city of the two founding members of the IMU: political leader Tahir Yuldash and Jumabay Khojiyev, known as Juma Namangani after his hometown. He was believed killed in Afghanistan during the 2001 U.S.-led assault on the Taliban.
Continued on Page 49
This article starring:
HAMID ASQAROVIslamic Movement of Uzbekistan
HASAN SATIMOVIslamic Movement of Uzbekistan
JUMABAI KHOJIYEVIslamic Movement of Uzbekistan
JUMA NAMANGANIIslamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Rashid Dostum
TAHIR YULDASHIslamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/14/2005 15:35 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
Kuwaiti Lawmakers Challenge Woman's Post
Several lawmakers — mostly Muslim fundamentalists and tribal representatives who oppose women's political rights_ are challenging the appointment of Kuwait's first female Cabinet member as unconstitutional, one of them said Tuesday. Ten legislators had signed a request to discuss the appointment in Parliament, a step that could lead to taking it to the Constitutional Court, legislator Faisal al-Mislim said. Massouma al-Mubarak, a U.S.-educated university teacher and women's rights activist, was appointed Sunday but has not assumed her post. She is awaiting a decree from the emir or his deputy the crown prince, both of whom are ailing. The measure is only procedural.

Al-Mubarak's appointment became possible when lawmakers in this tiny, oil-rich country granted women the right to vote and run for Parliament on May 16. Kuwaiti women had been kept out of the political scene by a 43-year-old election law that limited political rights to men. On Sunday, al-Mubarak was given the planning and administrative development portfolios in Cabinet. Tribal representatives and fundamentalists believe women should not mix freely with men and should stay home to care for their families. Now that al-Mubarak has been appointed, some are claiming that she does not satisfy one of the conditions for becoming a minister, which is being an "eligible voter." They say al-Mubarak cannot be considered an eligible voter because she is not registered as one. Voter registration takes place every February.

"If the appointment came after registration, we couldn't have argued," al-Mislim said. "Yes, we opposed giving women political rights, but it is now law. However, the execution of this law was hasty and constitutionally questionable." Lawmaker Deiffallah Bou Ramia, who collected the 10 signatures, was not available to comment, but his media adviser, Nasser al-Hussaini, said the request for discussion would be filed next week. Al-Mubarak said constitutional scholars had ruled that voter registration was not a requirement, and "those who want to throw doubts ... will look for a reason" to do so. The prime minister, Sheik Sabah Al Ahmed Al Sabah, said Monday that al-Mubarak's appointment was constitutional, and the "decision has been made."

Kuwaiti women have reached high positions in oil, education and the diplomatic corps, but they were kept out of politics until recently because of the now-amended election law. Al-Mubarak expected the decree finalizing her new job to be signed by Crown Prince Sheik Saad Al Abdullah Al Sabah when he is released from the hospital Wednesday. He was admitted June 9 suffering from high blood sugar levels.
Soon to be followed by a succession of nebulous complaints that should keep him in hospital for the duration of Ms. al-Mubarak's term...
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 14:37 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gawd in heavens! Has there been a color change? Destin Sea Green? Have we come to that?
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 19:13 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
The Battle for Mosul, Part III
Posted by: Matt || 06/14/2005 13:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lots of good stuff here, but this is a sample:

Ramirez is powerful, and threw his Algerian to the ground. The man continued to fight wildly until Ramirez's knee smashing the back of his skull knocked him out. The Algerian with Welch in the other room was not yet cuffed when he started to fight, but Welch knocked his man out with punches.

But the "martyr" that LTC Kurilla had jacked against the wall by the collar with his left hand, simply reached down with his mouth and grabbed a hunk of Kurilla's left forearm and began to rip as he punched at Kurilla, scraping his nose. Kurilla responded by punching him in the face three times and taking him to the ground.

Meanwhile, with Ramirez's guy unconscious, he rushed into the room where Kurilla was fighting and smashed the guy in the face three more times until he went limp.


Some quagmire.
Posted by: Matt || 06/14/2005 13:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Highly recommended, from a blogger no less. Read the whole thing, especially his description of how the MSM really works. He nails it.
Posted by: phil_b || 06/14/2005 16:57 Comments || Top||

#3  And, maybe I'm an incorrigible optimist, but Michael Yon may be giving us a glimpse of the future of serious news reporting.
Posted by: phil_b || 06/14/2005 17:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Heh, not to pick nits, but he's a blogging journalist. Some of us very old folks (phil_b you gotta be a crusty old fart like me, right?) round here might remember what that actually is, lol. ;-)

This Michael Yon guy is very very good. I'm dumbfounded that I haven't run across him before - or wasn't paying attention (*slaps forehead*) if I did.

Sheesh. Thx Matt!

One of his pictures:
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 17:27 Comments || Top||

#5  .com, I'm 'only' early-50s. Otherwise my remark about 'bloggers' was really to say that blogs look like becoming (and arguably already are) the medium for serious news reporting and the MSM print media just becomes something to keep the grocery flyers dry.
Posted by: phil_b || 06/14/2005 17:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Wow. That took the best part of an hour to read. And worth every minute.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 17:49 Comments || Top||

#7  phil_b - Just funnin' - I'm in the same age category and agree wholly with your remarks about him as a blogger / writer / serious newsman - and what he represents. Yon is easily among the best of the Blogosphere in writing skills - and willing & able to go to the sharp pointed end to get the scoop, thus, IMHO, the same can be said of that Lost World of Journalism. I'm impressed, to say the least, heh.

He really nailed me to the wall. I emailed the link to many people - and one response pointed out that he's a throwback to an age when reporters were credible.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 18:38 Comments || Top||

#8  phil_b - Just funnin' - I'm in the same age category and agree wholly with your remarks about him as a blogger / writer / serious newsman - and what he represents. Yon is easily among the best of the Blogosphere in writing skills - and willing & able to go to the sharp pointed end to get the scoop, thus, IMHO, the same can be said of that Lost World of Journalism. I'm impressed, to say the least, heh.

He really nailed me to the wall. I emailed the link to many people - and one response pointed out that he's a throwback to an age when reporters were credible.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 18:40 Comments || Top||

#9  Matt - OMG! Those poor Algerians! Beaten-up by big meanie Americans before they can target and murder women and children and get their 7 or 17 virgins-who-cannot-possibly-be-deflowered!

Torture! Its all Rummie's and Bush'es fault!

/Sarcasm

Seriously this is a very good read! One for the bookmarks!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/14/2005 18:47 Comments || Top||

#10  I just read the last post - then e-mailed everyone on my list recommending it as a good balanced view of the Iraq war.

It's way too LONG for the MSM and the 20-second sound bite, but it is EXCELLENT background!
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 21:26 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
No more "honking for peace"
Protesters are locking horns with police in pacifist-packed Marin County [California] for fining drivers who honk for peace. Officers have been pulling over motorists who honk as they drive by a weakly weekly peace demonstration. Protesters say police are squelching freedom of expression. "We have been picketing for a long time. All of a sudden the police are out there trying to stop the honks," said peacenik Melvin Fiske, a corporal in the Marines during World War II. "We assume honking is as American as (apple) pie. If people want to applaud our actions it is their right to do that." Tiburon police Capt. Dave Hutton said excessive honking is an "unlawful use of horn" and officers are simply doing their job. So far, officers have issued three citations and nine warnings. Five to 10 protesters typically participate in the hourlong Friday peace vigils. Protester William Rothman said about four weeks ago police began "lying in wait" for motorists. As soon as a driver honked, police pulled the car over. One neighbor who lives near the protest site said the honking "annoys the hell out of me."
Time for the neighbors to identify the regulars, visit their houses at all hours of the night, and give them a dose of their own medicine.
Posted by: Dar || 06/14/2005 12:52 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, dear! The old conflict between freedom of expression and peace and quiet. Why can't supporters wave if they want peace? Why can't they flash their lights? Mail a postcard? Log into a website? Why is "applauding actions" always better if it annoys someone else?
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 13:09 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm all for "Heart attacks" for peace from these jokers.
Posted by: mmurray821 || 06/14/2005 13:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Fiske, a corporal in the Marines during World War II. "

And we can all be sure that the AP checked to be sure he was indeed in the Marines in WWII. Hmmm...what's an old geezer like that doing behind the wheel anyway?
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 13:44 Comments || Top||

#4  oops...my apologies to any WWII rantburger's still behind the wheel. You go guys! Just keep your eyes on the road and don't be honking.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 13:45 Comments || Top||

#5  "Honking for peace - whanking for idiots"
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 14:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Nice save 2b.... Dad looks over my shoulder from time to time. :)
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Americans in general have the right to honk in support of demonstrators' causes but no one ever has the right to deliberately block, obstruct, and or stop traffic for long period(s) of time. Its a matter of personal and public safety. Typical Lefty complaint BS - they wanna usurp and take all credit for the achievements of the Right, and while silently/quietly admitting that Rightism is superior, even to argue that Leftism inversely results in Rightism, yet they still have to pretend that Leftism is wholly unique, differentiated, and separate from the Right. Lefties draw PC scalpels thru everything and anything depending on the PC and politics of the nano-moment. Their movements leadership proclaims to be for America and Americanism while standing next to and fostering the contrary. and the only reason they're innocent is because they themselves prob don't remember what they stood for for/against last week or yesterday - they likely need Regulatory Socialism/Centralism just to keep their private sanity before they go on that proverbial barbarian/bandit rampage.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 06/14/2005 23:15 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Kofi's son dirtier than previously thought
DESPITE his denials, UN chief Kofi Annan was apparently told of efforts by his son's employer to win an oil-for-food contract with Iraq in 1998, according to a memo written by an executive of the company, The New York Times has reported.

The discussion allegedly took place a few days before the contract was awarded to Cotecna Inspection Services.
The New York Times said it obtained a copy of a memo written on December 4, 1998, by then Cotecna vice-president Michael Wilson — whom the daily said was a friend of Kojo Annan and a family friend of the UN chief — describing a meeting in late November 1998 during the 20th summit of Francophone leaders in Paris.

"We had brief discussions with the SG and his entourage," the memo states. "Their collective advice was that we should respond as best as we could to the Q&A session of the 1-12-98 and that we could count on their support."

"1-12-98" referred to a meeting Mr Wilson and a delegation of Cotecna officials had in New York on December 1, 1998, with senior UN officials who were considering which of three companies to select for the inspection contract that Cotecna won 10 days later, the daily reported.

While the memo did not state that Kojo Annan was present at the meeting between Mr Wilson and Kofi Annan — who has denied any involvement in the selection of Cotecna or having discussed the contract with his son — it continued with a description of "courtesy greetings" on behalf of the Geneva-based contractor with presidents of several African countries held by a person identified as "KA" at the summit meeting.

Asked for comment by the daily, a consultant for the company said it appeared that Mr Wilson was referring to Kojo Annan in the memo.

His involvement in Cotecna, which won a $US10 million-a-year contract, and the UN secretary-general's possible conflict of interest in the deal are under investigation by a UN panel and several US Congressional committees.

Under the UN oil-for-food program, Iraq was allowed to sell oil under UN supervision between 1996 and 2003 to buy humanitarian goods to alleviate suffering of the Iraqi people resulting from international sanctions against Saddam Hussein's regime.

The program had a total value of about $US64 billion dollars during its operation. Experts say that several billion dollars was diverted back into Saddam's coffers.

A UN investigation headed by former US Federal Reserve chief Paul Volcker said no evidence was found that Kofi Annan had sought to use his influence to direct contracts to Cotecna, his investigation into any possible conflict of interest had been inadequate.

It has also said "serious questions" remain about the business dealings of Kojo Annan.

The memo was discovered by accident three weeks ago during a search of company archives in its efforts to account for all of Cotecna's payments to Kojo Annan, said the consultant, who also confirmed the memo's authenticity for The New York Times.

"No senior Cotecna officials initially had any memory of the e-mail or of such a meeting, and the memo appears to contradict what the company has said," the company's consultant, who declined to be identified, said.

Cotecna has acknowledged its owners held at least two private meetings with Kofi Annan before the oil-for-food contract was awarded, but it has denied the company's effort to win UN business was discussed at those meetings, or that any Cotecna executive lobbied Kofi Annan for the contract, the daily reported.

Posted by: mmurray821 || 06/14/2005 12:20 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  PNG the entire Annan clan, then issue warrants for their arrest.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 12:51 Comments || Top||

#2  KOJO ANNAN



You are joking right? Orange jumpsuits really don't fit with my fashion sense...
Posted by: BigEd || 06/14/2005 13:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Y'all be cool. Pops'll handle it.
Yo, pops! THE MAN be comin after my ass again, dammit! Cover a brothers ass, will y'all?
Posted by: Kojo || 06/14/2005 13:41 Comments || Top||

#4  think of the dead, the starving and the destitute that he stole millions from. Pretty funny huh Knojoke?
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 13:49 Comments || Top||

#5  did I say millions? I'm sorry. I meant billions.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 13:50 Comments || Top||

#6  It's over Mike, come home, all is near forgiven.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:24 Comments || Top||

#7  Nonsense.

It's impossible for him to get any dirtier than we think he was/is. The bottom layer of a garbage dump isn't as dirty as this wanker.

He needs a permanent change of address - to the Graybar Motel.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/14/2005 17:20 Comments || Top||

#8  Who cares!

A friend of a cousin of a brother of a mother-in-law of a good buddy of a person who thought he heard Natalee Holloway name about six months ago has this exciting newsflash! Lets have a flash news station break right now!

(FYI - Natalee Holloway is the name of the blonde white women who disappeard in Aruba which the MSM has been beating its meat about for the past couple of weeks here in the US..)
Posted by: MainStreamMedia || 06/14/2005 17:46 Comments || Top||

#9  The New York Times has reported...

So the journalist-faction actually won at the editorial board meeting this time?
Posted by: Pappy || 06/14/2005 19:44 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
A Royal Audience with the Queen of the Moonbats Feminists
Gloria Steinem interviewed in The F-Word:
Melody: I keep on reading about how you believe in the inherent goodness of humanity, and I was just wondering how someone like Bush fits into that world view... if he does, at all.

Gloria: Well, yeah. He wasn't born that way. As a baby, he probably had a whole person inside him! But that family is enough to turn anybody into a raving power maniac, and they certainly did it with him.

Melody: When I saw the picture, the famous picture of him, with a bunch of other white guys, gleefully signing away our rights as women... all I could think was, "ok, how is that not just pure evil?"

Gloria: Well, you know, there is certainly evil effect. There are certainly going to be millions of women and a lot of men who simply are not alive because he's in the White House. There are going to be whole species of animals, and living things, and plants that are not alive anymore, and will never come back, because: he killed them. So, that's an evil impact. I don't think it's inevitable. He wasn't born that way.

It takes a lot of work, actually, to break the bond of empathy that I think, probably, is natural. I mean, I think it's probably part of our evolutionary equipment to feel an instantaneous "I'm going to help!" to a member of our own species, and maybe to all living things, I have no idea. But, it takes a lot of work to break it, and our child-rearing methods, and child abuse, and humiliation and shame, and all those common occurrences, break that leap of empathy. There was this, some kind of study, that I've never been able to really find except in references, you know, I've never seen the whole study. But it was of the "Good Samaritans." These were people during World War II who were not themselves Jewish but who saved Jews, at risk to themselves, great risk. People were always studying them 'cause they wanted to replicate them, you know. And the question was: "what did they share?" because, they actually sounded quite alike. Even though they were very disparate, they would say: "I'm not a hero. I don't know why I did this, I just did it. I just didn't think of not doing it." So the question was, "was there something shared about family structure, education, religion, moral teaching...?" But no one could come up with anything... except one thing: which was that they hadn't been abused as children. So, to me that argues that if empathy isn't cut off by abuse and humilation and deeply convincing you that there are only two choices, to be the victor or the victim, that there is this leap of empathy to other people.

Melody: OK, "feminism as the F-WORD!"

Gloria: Right! Well, the problem is, among other things, I mean, of course, feminism has been demonized as a word, like, affirmitive action and liberal, you know, there's been a campaign against it, to, distort it. But, it's also true that people behave as if anything except total success is failure. And, actually, as many or more women, depending on what poll you look at, self-identify as feminists, as self-identify as Republicans. I don't call that a failure. It's quite remarkable.

Melody: Well, the fact that anyone identifies as a Republican is just a failure...

Gloria: But, it's not so much about Republicans as it is about who's taken over the Republican party, because, actually, seventy-three percent of Republicans are pro-choice. I mean, they're not bad people, it's just that their party got taken away from them.

Melody: I still just don't understand how it happened, at all.

Gloria: Lyndon Johnson was probably not wrong when he said, when the Civil Rights act of 1964 passed, he said "We've just lost the south for the Democrats for decades and decades to come" and he was right. I mean, because the right wing Democrats fled the inclusion of blacks, and they became Republicans. So, a lot of these bad guys used to be Democrats, you know, like, Reagan used to be a Democrat. Jesse Helms used to be a Democrat.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 12:09 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nice work, Melody. Hope you didn't ruin your knee pads.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 15:10 Comments || Top||

#2  In my best Dan Ankroyd voice, "Gloria, you are a stupid slut."
Posted by: Craig || 06/14/2005 15:14 Comments || Top||

#3  There are certainly going to be millions of women and a lot of men who simply are not alive because he's in the White House.

And they're are millions of men and women who simply are not alive because of pro-abortion policies, with you as the masthead. Nice attempt at logic there, Gloria...
Posted by: Raj || 06/14/2005 15:41 Comments || Top||

#4  "There are going to be whole species of animals, and living things, and plants that are not alive anymore, and will never come back, because: he killed them..."

Damn, missed that Presidential Banquet! ;)
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 06/14/2005 16:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Crude, DB, very crude. ;o)
Posted by: badanov || 06/14/2005 21:41 Comments || Top||

#6  don't you love watching these people take what sheds of dignity they might have (claimed (unrightfully imho, but claimed none the less)for womens rights and willfully throwing them right in the trash bin of history??

the photo says it all.

Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 23:05 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Tales from the rice paddy
First, the good newsRice-transplanting Finished in Main Paddy Areas
Pyongyang, June 13 (KCNA) -- Rice-transplanting has been finished in the main paddy areas of the DPRK. It has been wound up in the paddy fields except the first-crop fields and some highland areas of Jagang, Ryanggang and North Hamgyong provinces thanks to the patriotic and devoted work of the agricultural workers, KPA soldiers, government employees, working people and youth and students who turned out in response to the militant appeal of the Workers' Party of Korea to concentrate and enlist all efforts in agricultural production.
The farms all over the country had hurled themselves into rice-transplanting in right time after making full preparations for spring farming such as repair and readjustment of tractors, rice-transplanting machines, etc. Rice-transplanting surged into a high tide with the powerful support of the whole party, army and people. When it entered a full-fledged stage, millions of supporters rushed to the cooperative fields every day and gave sincere help in farming. Transplanting was finished successfully in time in the west coast granaries such as Yonbaek, Jaeryong, Yoldusamcholli and Onchon plains in South Hwanghae and South Phyongan provinces.
Officials made it possible to wind up rice-transplanting in time by giving intensified technical guidance coupled with mobile organization of work and frontline-style economic agitation on the cooperative fields astir with transplanting. Now the cooperative fields are animated with unabated strivings of agricultural workers and assistants tending transplanted rice seedlings with all care.
Now, the bad news
Abnormal Weather in Korea
Pyongyang, June 13 (KCNA) -- Abnormal weather has been continuing in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea in the spring and summer, exerting an adverse effect on farming. Kim Si Chon, a section chief of the Technical Research Center for Agricultural Information under the Academy of Agricultural Sciences, told KCNA that cold air has blown into the Korean peninsula owing to the intensified Siberian high air pressure and northwest wind. It had delayed the spring season a week over the normal year and 10-15 days over last year, he said, and continued:
The spring sowing, therefore, was delayed in the country as a whole.
From April, the temperature largely changed due to the periodically alternate high and low air pressure. The rate of sunshine duration has been recorded as lower than the preceding years.
On April 4, 16, and 30 the temperature rose and lasted for consecutive days and on April 13, 20 and May 6 the high temperature fell and continued for some days in Pyongyang and other west coast areas, the granary of the country. They adversely affected the growth of crops.
Rarely strong winds blew in Kangwon Province and different northern areas, hindering preparations for rice-transplantation. The June average temperature is 1 2.2 degrees centigrade lower than last year's. the amount of rainfall in the first ten days of the month is 35-60 millimeters, a 30 percent higher than that of the normal year. And it is envisaged that the average rate of sunshine hours for the month is 41 percent slightly lower than the normal year's.
Kim Si Chon said that this summer the temperature throughout the country might be low, rainy season might come earlier than the preceding years, torrential rains might be recorded to cause flood and cold-weather damage might occur in some areas of the east coast.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 11:58 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But surely, since "the cooperative fields are animated with unabated strivings of agricultural workers and assistants tending transplanted rice seedlings with all care" they will overcome the imperialist-controlled weather.
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 12:31 Comments || Top||

#2  And here's Biff Jong Il with the weather. Take it away, Biff.
Well, Jack, it doesn't look like we'll be eating anytime soon...
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 12:40 Comments || Top||

#3  I forsee a 30 percent loss of rice seedlings. They are nice and green and young and oh so good!
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:10 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Could Jacko Make Live 8 Comeback?
Michael Jackson is being lined up for a sensational comeback at next month's Live 8 gig.
If I was Michael Jackson's handler, I'd wear elbow-length rubber gloves and possibly a body condom...

No, that's not what I was gonna say...

To rebuild his career, he'll have to seek out all the feel-good charity things he can find. He's home free with his acquittal — unless his next victim dies in his bed with witnesses present he'll never be in court again, but the wider jury of the public's convicted him. He has to ride out the attention span thing, and that means joining the do-good set to increase the number of people who don't view him as just another perv who got off. There are so many who just have to believe...
The King Of Pop has been tentatively invited to appear at the Philadelphia or London gig by organisers, after he was acquitted of child abuse allegations on Monday. Live 8 promoter Harvey Goldsmith says he would consider adding him to the line-up for the July 2 event - but questioned whether he was ready to perform yet. Jacko walked clear from court in Santa Maria looking frail, but he is still believed to want to relaunch his career as soon as possible.
If he's actually got back problems, rather than simply having been on the verge of a nervous breakdown, he's not gonna be doing a lot of dancing...
Interviewed on radio station Capital FM, Goldsmith said: "Obviously we'd consider it." He added: "Whether it's appropriate or not is another issue, whether he's in a fit state to work is another issue, whether he can work is another issue and whether he can work live is another issue." Jacko's close friend Stevie Wonder, who was listed as a potential character witness, is on the bill. The gig is being hosted by Will Smith and the line-up includes 50 Cent, P Diddy, Bon Jovi and the British band Kaiser Chiefs. Jackson co-wrote the 1985 song We Are The World, the US answer to Band Aid's Do They Know It's Christmas?
Well, there were complaints that the Live 8 concert didn't have enough black entertainers. Oh, wait......
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 11:48 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hopefully he went home last night and sucked down a jug of Drano.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 16:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Who gives a shit?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/14/2005 17:23 Comments || Top||

#3  I saw at the supermarket today two different magazine cover stories about a "War" between Jessica Simpson and Lindsey Lohan, or a war between Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise and his new gf...

Last week a Saudi blew himself up at a funeral at a mosque in Kandahar, Afghanistan. About twenty or so mourners were killed.

I'm beginning to think part of our problem is that we're starting to think the former two manufactured fake-news items are real but the latter is just a police problem.

I don't mean to be snippy to anyone, but I come here to try to get away from the bullshit news items like the Michael Jackson case, however disturbing it may be.

(Hell, it's disturbing that they're still classifying him in the hominids, if you ask me...) OTOH, it is on Page 3... maybe we need a Page 4, for the icky stories that will make you want to take a bleach shower afterwards?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/14/2005 17:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Hey I read somewhere that he may be defaulting on a loan and that he put up his Beatles collection as collateral, oh yeah.
please please please me
Posted by: Jan || 06/14/2005 18:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Look, he's like a gory traffic accident, or a circus freak show. You can't help looking, even though you know you shouldn't and you feel like you ought to take a hot shower with lots of carbolic soap afterwards. I think he's gonna fall into the same category as ol' whatsis face... the football player, charged with killing his ex-wife and a friend of hers? Yeah, a jury found him innocent too, but he was poison, as far as endorsements and stuff went, after that. More than poison, more like glow-in-the-dark radioactive. Yeah, he may be free, but he's untouchable, by anyone that might be a means of making a paycheck.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 06/14/2005 19:00 Comments || Top||

#6  I suspect the next we hear of M.Jackson will be when he finally loses all pigment and corporeal presence and becomes the invisible man (or lady....this is a while to come, and he's got impulses)
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 19:09 Comments || Top||

#7  This is the flaw in the US system: Peopel treat a "Not Guilty" verdict as if it is an "Innocent" verdict.

Jacks was not "Innocent", nor was he "Not Guilty" - it was that the case was NOT PROVEN.

There should be 4 verdicts available:

Guilty - no doubts at all. Not even fairly unreasonable. These cases are air tight, supported by physical evidence, corroborated by witnesses (and not stoolies), and enable the harshest penalties prescribed for the crime to be applied, up to and including life without parole and the death penalty.

Proven - beyond reasonable doubts although some unreasonable ones may remain (i.e. no death penalty nor no-parole may be issued)

Not-Proven - There was insufficient evidence, or there were reasonable doubts (and if so they should be listed). Or else the case is dismissed on a technicality Basically, this provides a record of arrest and charges, which CAN be brought for sentence consideration if there are subsequent convitions on the same or similar charges.

Innocent - There are no dobuts that the person did not commit the crime. The record is expunged, the person brought to trial has all the legal and court fees paid by the state, and they get restitution for any loss of income during the trial and any incarceration (as does their employer for loss of services). The person gets a letter of apology from the DA as well (makes it personal for the DA to not bring charges carelessly).

This eliminates the forever-appeals for death sentences, and gives a way to add weight to sentences for guys who just scrape by until they get caught again and are finally convicted. They also provide true exoneration for the innocent. And they give death-pentaly opponents on the jury a way to convict a killer and not crossing their conscience, instead of letting one go free.

We need to fix the justice system.

This is one way.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/14/2005 20:08 Comments || Top||

#8  I believe Scotland has the "Not Proven" verdict.
Posted by: Tom || 06/14/2005 20:19 Comments || Top||

#9  OS - Your post is damned good - generating a *slaps forehead* response from me. Where would double-jeopardy fit into it? I heard some talking head types rattling on about how this verdict puts to rest, permanently because of double-jeopardy, the most serious charges from almost all of his primary accusers - i.e. - he's walking away (from jail, anyway) scot-free.

Then I heard Juror #1 say that he personally believed that Jackson was, indeed, probably a pedo who has done the things for which he was charged, but that the prosecution had failed to prove its case.

As soon as I read your post, it struck me that this Juror would whole-heartedly agree with you. Of course the Social Engineers will never allow serious discussion of the matter, but something along the lines of what you've presented would certainly make the vast majority of Americans feel as if "the system" made more sense, worked for them, etc. because it would address that unsettling realization after a circus like this or the OJ murders that something is seriously wrong with it.

Thx for your post!
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 20:25 Comments || Top||


Britain
Mark Steyn: Don't offend the horse
What is "Thames Valley"? Where is she? To those of us who do not gambol within its borders, "Thames Valley" seems ever more of a fantastical fairyland. I hasten to add I don't mean "fairyland" in the eighty-quid-fine-for-homophobic-hate-speech sense, though I'll come to the matter of the "gay police horse" in a moment. Rather, "Thames Valley" seems a state of mind - like Neverland: "It's not on any chart / You must find it in your heart."

Yes, yes, I know there's a river called the Thames and the strip of land running along each bank qualifies as a valley, but as a legal entity "Thames Valley" appears to have been conjured out of thin air. Back in 1968, some fellow abolished the constabularies of real places like Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire and decreed that henceforth these ancient counties were now mere provinces of the "Thames Valley Police Authority": "It's not on any map / You must enter its speed trap."

The ambitious Home Office bureaucrat is very partial to these fictional jurisdictions. One thinks of "West Mercia", which is around the Welsh border somewhere, just west of "East Mercia" presumably, which they're keeping in reserve for the next pointless constabulary reorganisation. Everywhere else I've ever lived, the police forces bear some approximation to reality: the New Hampshire state troopers don't patrol Vermont, the Surete du Quebec don't do drug busts in Labrador.

When you want to call the cops, you don't need to think, "Hang on, am I in South Mercia or West Avon?" The invented identities of British administration seem to be part of a conscious decision to emphasise their remoteness from the citizenry, if not their wholesale secession from the real world.

Secure in their fairyland federation, "Thames Valley Police" patrol a wild fantastical landscape of the imagination that intersects only fitfully and awkwardly with reality. Exactly a year ago, thousands of Royal Ascot racegoers were stuck in sweltering heat for hours on end due to Thames Valley's new improved state-of-the-art "traffic management".

Royal Ascot's been going on same time, same place for a couple of centuries, but in Thames Valley's capable hands it was transformed into one of those freak natural disasters no one saw coming. This year's meeting, due to building work at Ascot, will be taking place at York, beginning today. But no doubt Thames Valley Police will still lock down the whole of Berkshire all week as a security precaution.

When they install speed cameras, serious accidents increase. When an estranged husband threatens his wife, they send round helicopters and "armed response vehicles" and contingents of officers in full body-armour, and then let them sit around at a safe distance until the estranged husband has finished killing everyone in the house.

That's what they did when Vicky Horgan and her sister were shot and bleeding to death in Highmoor Cross, declining even to enter the village, never mind the house. And that's what they did when Julia Pemberton called 999 at 7.10 one evening, racing round in response, arriving at 7.50 and then waiting until 1.20 in the morning before deciding it was safe to enter. It was: Mrs Pemberton and her son had both been dead for some hours.

As we now know, if you require a less desultory response from Thames Valley Police, the best advice is to speculate about the sexuality of the officer's horse. As my colleague Sam Leith reported yesterday, late in the evening on Bank Holiday Monday, Sam Brown, an Oxford University undergraduate, inquired of a mounted policeman on Cornmarket Street: "Do you know your horse is gay?" Also, "I hope you're comfortable riding a gay horse."

Within minutes, young Mr Brown was surrounded by six officers and a fleet of patrol cars, handcuffed and tossed in the slammer overnight, after which he was fined £80. A spokesperson for Thames Valley Police told the student newspaper Cherwell that the "homophobic comments" were "not only offensive to the policeman and his horse, but any members of the general public in the area."

"Offensive to his horse"? Well, you never know. If any constabulary is keeping a full-time equine psychologist on staff, it's bound to be Thames Valley. Even now, the horse may be on one month's stress leave at home on full pay, with his feet up listening to Judy Garland on his iPod. Whoops, sorry. We don't know whether the horse in question is, in fact, gay. It may be just the way he trots. Whoops, there goes another 80 quid. What I'm getting at is that, even under a generous interpretation of "homophobia", it's hard to see why simply identifying the horse as gay should be a criminal offence.

Mr Brown didn't say: "Tell your gay horse to stop coming on to me" or "I couldn't get near Royal Ascot last year because those gay horses were queening around and backing up traffic." Few of us would appreciate inappropriate speculation about the sexuality of our mounts, yet even in Thames Valley the offence of hippophobia is surely a stretch.

Caligula made his horse a consul but only Thames Valley has made its horses' sexuality a hate crime. Had Mr Brown gone on to slur one of the police cars as obviously homosexual, would Thames Valley's spokesperson have complained that the homophobic comments were deeply offensive to the officer and his vehicle?

Pondering Mr Brown's query about whether the copper was "comfortable riding a gay horse", Sam Leith wondered whether the Balliol man was suggesting the officer was an "unreconstructed homophobe". But the point is that, though the "homophobes" and "systemic racists" of the constabulary have metamorphosed virtually overnight into the most gung-ho celebrants of diversity, they are indeed "unreconstructed" - thus, the somewhat unpleasant heavyhandedness that has long been a feature of British policing is now deployed in the service of zero tolerance homophobia crackdowns.

In these touchy times, are Thames Valley Police really the people you want enforcing the more nebulous sections of an already poorly drawn "Incitement to Religious Hatred" Act? With that in mind, remember that the mounted section use mostly Irish Draughts. Things could have gone a whole lot worse for Mr Brown if he'd said: "I hope you're comfortable riding a gay Arab."
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 11:38 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I cannot believe the horse was offended. I call Ace a Goober all the time and he doesn't care. We had to shoot a scene 3 times last Saturday morning around 3:00AM because he yawned twice and even the Director called him a Goober but he still didn't care. As long as they are properly fed and cared for horses don't care what they are called.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 06/14/2005 12:07 Comments || Top||

#2  As long as they are properly fed and cared for horses don't care what they are called.

That's pretty much true for me too.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 06/14/2005 14:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Shouldn't the horse be fined for taking offense at receiving the honor of being mistaken for gay? Shouldn't the officers be fined for assuming that being called gay is an insult? Whee, this game is fun.
Posted by: BH || 06/14/2005 17:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Director called him a Goober but he still didn't care. As long as they are properly fed and cared for horses don't care what they are called.

ima call bs, maybe goober dont but i take offend where my sweet feed?
Posted by: Apache || 06/14/2005 20:18 Comments || Top||


Europe
In U.S., a withering view of Europe as a sideshow
Has Europe become a sideshow? Perhaps this town of haunting but also melancholy beauty is not a bad place to pose that question, for it offers at every corner some reminder of the way that great power and wealth may pass, leaving nothing but their golden shell. It is now just over 200 years since the 118th and last Doge of Venice, Lodovico Manin, surrendered to the slogan-touting revolutionary army of Napoleon Bonaparte, so putting an end to the Most Serene Republic in the fastness of its lagoon, a power whose often enlightened commercial sway had stretched for centuries across the eastern Mediterranean. "Take this, I shall not be needing it again," Manin said on Friday, May 12, 1797, as he handed the Doge's close-fitting white linen cap to his valet. Sometimes it is clear when things come to an end. At others, the lines of history are blurred, less demarcations than smudges.

So it is in a Europe today that does not know if the dominant and fruitful postwar idea of "ever closer union" is now dead. When European Union leaders meet this week in Brussels, they will face for the first time the fact that tens of millions of Europeans have turned their back on a Union whose geography, identity and ambition seemed murky. How they will respond to the French and Dutch rejection of a proposed European constitution is unclear, but it is a safe bet that muddling through will be the favored course. The 25-member Union will not unravel. Still, as any visitor to Venice is reminded, a power that has lost the elixir of ambition is a power condemned to inexorable decline.

Already, Europe is viewed with a cynicism often bordering on contempt in some American circles. The neoconservative view of the Continent - feckless, wimpy, legalistic, aging, tired - is well known. But even among more mainstream Republicans, and within the Democratic Party, there are those for whom Europe poses one question above all: Why bother? At a recent meeting here of the Council for the United States and Italy, a group that brings together influential folk from both sides of the Atlantic, America's often withering view of Europe was as clear as the light on the lagoon.

That view may be summarized as follows: a Continent reluctant to spend on defense, offering only "postmodernist" armies useful enough as peacekeepers but next to useless as warriors, given to earnest blah-blah about the pre-eminence of international law, inhabited by a declining and evermore aged citizenry living in overregulated economies that have not shown significant growth for at least five years.

Contrast that image with another offered at the meeting: that of an India growing at over 7 percent a year, inhabited by more than 500 million people under the age of 25, busy buying hundreds of advanced aircraft, convinced that armies are still created to fight, churning out English-speaking high-tech graduates by the million each year, and persuaded by Islamic terrorism that its strategic goals and America's are often identical or at least complementary.

So, which of these parts of the world is more worthy of the attention of the United States? Which is a compelling affair: the intensifying and fast-changing relationship with India, or the largely stagnant alliance with Europe that served above all a cold-war strategic challenge now overcome? Beyond India, of course, lie other issues demanding of U.S. attention.

China, with its own growth story and welter of staggering statistics that suggest its challenge to American supremacy must be taken seriously. A low-intensity Iraqi war that has already taken a significant toll. The attempt to ignite and manage a democratic transformation of the Middle East that is portrayed as central to long-term American security.

In this world, Europe slips down the list. It often looks more complicated than compelling. It is sufficiently split, sufficiently stable, and sufficiently stalled for back-burner treatment to seem most appropriate. The fact is that the French and Dutch votes have left the European Union in an awkward halfway house that hardly seems a credible basis for any revitalization. With a shared currency, the euro, but an interrupted process of political integration, the Continent finds itself with one foot in transnational federalism and another outside it.

Already, the strains of this situation are showing, not least in Italy, where the economy has contracted in recent quarters. In a country that used to be able to offset its structural weaknesses through a steady devaluation of the lira, the constraints of a single euro currency placing Italy on the same playing field as Germany have proved damaging.
Italy is an extreme case, but throughout the stagnant euro zone, reforms to render the economies more flexible, dynamic and effective appear urgent, because only growth and the creation of jobs will rekindle belief in the European Union. How that will be achieved when the new French prime minister, Dominique de Villepin, declares that, for France, "globalization cannot be our destiny" is unclear.

Such comments suggest that sideshow may not be an inappropriate tag for Europe these days. Any country or area holding itself aloof from the technology-driven demands of global competitiveness and integration can only be a sideshow to the main currents of early 21st century history.

In this light, it is interesting to note John Julius Norwich's description of the once all-conquering Venice that surrendered to Napoleon: "The fact of the matter was that Venice was utterly demoralized. It was so long since she had been obliged to make a serious military effort that she had lost the will that makes such efforts possible. Peace, the pursuit of pleasure, the love of luxury, the whole spirit of dolce far niente has sapped her strength. She was old and tired; she was also spoilt."
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 11:04 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I almost see western europe going through the same thing it did during the collapse of the western roman empire. The people, tired of constant war and corruption, just gave up and let the barbarians have what they wanted as long as the people were left alone.
The modern population is tired, spoiled and rapidly shrinking and growing old. Will they let the Islamic "barbarian" forces take over for peace? Only time will tell...
Posted by: mmurray821 || 06/14/2005 11:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Not with a bang, but a wimper (or maybe an allan akbar).
Posted by: Spot || 06/14/2005 11:53 Comments || Top||

#3  "a Continent reluctant to spend on defense, offering only "postmodernist" armies useful enough as peacekeepers but next to useless as warriors, given to earnest blah-blah about the pre-eminence of international law, inhabited by a declining and evermore aged citizenry living in overregulated economies that have not shown significant growth for at least five years".

Yep, that pretty much sums it up for me!
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 12:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Peace, the pursuit of pleasure, the love of luxury, the whole spirit of dolce far niente has sapped her strength.

Sounds like he could be describing blue states in general...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 12:24 Comments || Top||

#5  To be in the sideshow, you need to be part of the circus. I don't think Europe's part of the circus anymore.

(Unless it's one of those idiotic French circuses.)
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 12:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Unfortunately, Bomb-a-rama, is his description only Europe-specific or as accurate of us (not just blue states, but the whole nation) as a whole? :(
Posted by: Edward Yee || 06/14/2005 13:29 Comments || Top||

#7  It's a mistake to view it as Europe in demise. Individually, any of the nations could rise again, especially Germany and Britian. And new Europe will be a force. Like a drug addict, sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can work your way back up.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 14:00 Comments || Top||

#8  Since when didn't we view Europe as a sideshow? For crying out loud, Britain has naked bike rides, France manages to sink Greenpeace, and the most powerful court in the land is located in the Hague. At least we keep nudes on the beaches and sportgames!
Posted by: Charles || 06/14/2005 15:33 Comments || Top||

#9  Europe is curerently a side show and waste of our money and time. They got GWB's message and ignored it. I am all for a change of our relationship with them. They just don't get it.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 06/14/2005 15:43 Comments || Top||

#10  Poland is not yet lost.



Course few of my kidz could find it ona map.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:20 Comments || Top||

#11  turn right at Gdansk
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 17:32 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Daniel Pipes - Saudis Import Slaves to America
Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, 36, and his wife, Sarah Khonaizan, 35, appear to be a model immigrant couple. Having arrived in the United States in 2000, they live with their four children in an upscale Denver suburb. Al-Turki is a graduate student in linguistics at the University of Colorado, specializing in Arabic intonation and focus prosody. He donates money to the Linguistic Society of America and is CEO of Al-Basheer Publications and Translations, a bookstore specializing in titles about Islam.
Last week, however, the FBI accused the couple of enslaving an Indonesian woman in her early 20s. For four years, reads the indictment, they created "a climate of fear and intimidation through rape and other means." The slave woman cooked, cleaned, took care of children, and more for little or no pay, fearing that if she did not obey, "she would suffer serious harm."
The two Saudis face charges of forced labor, aggravated sexual abuse, document servitude, and harboring an alien. If found guilty, they could spend their remaining lives in prison. The government also wants to seize the couple's Al-Basheer bank account to pay their former slave $92,700 in back wages.
It's a shocking instance, especially for a graduate student and religious bookstore owner — but not a particularly rare one. Here are other examples of enslavement, all involving Saudi royals or diplomats living in the United States.

In 1982, a Miami judge issued a warrant to search Prince Turki Bin Abdul Aziz's 24th-floor penthouse to determine if he was holding Nadia Lutefi Mustafa, an Egyptian woman, against her will. Turki and his French bodyguards prevented a search from taking place, then won retroactive diplomatic immunity to forestall any legal unpleasantness.

In 1988, the Saudi defense attaché in Washington, Col. Abdulrahman S. Al-Banyan, employed a Thai domestic, Mariam Roungprach, until she escaped his house by crawling out a window. She later told how she had been imprisoned there, did not get enough food, and was not paid. Interestingly, her work contract specified that she could not leave the house or make telephone calls without her employer's permission.

In 1991, Prince Saad Bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud and his wife, Princess Noora, lived on two floors of the Ritz-Carlton Houston. Two of their servants, Josephine Alicog of the Philippines and Sriyani Marian Fernando of Sri Lanka, filed a suit against the prince, alleging they were for five months held against their will, "by means of unlawful threats, intimidation and physical force," they were only partially paid, denied medical treatment, and suffered mental and physical abuse.

In March 2005, a wife of Saudi Prince Mohamed Bin Turki Alsaud, Hana Al Jader, 39, was arrested at her home outside of Boston on charges of forced labor, domestic servitude, falsifying records, visa fraud, and harboring aliens. Al Jader stands accused of compelling two Indonesian women to work for her by making them believe "that if they did not perform such labor, they would suffer serious harm." If convicted, Al Jader faces up to 140 years in jail and $2.5 million in fines.

There are many other similar instances, for example, the Orlando escapades of Saudi princesses Maha al-Sudairi and Buniah al-Saud. Joel Mowbray tells of twelve female domestics "trapped and abused" in the households of Saudi dignitaries or diplomats.

Why is this problem so acute when it comes to affluent Saudis? Four reasons come to mind. Although slavery was abolished in the kingdom in 1962, the practice still flourishes there. Ranking Saudi religious authorities endorse slavery; for example, Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan insisted recently that "Slavery is a part of Islam" and whoever wants it abolished he called "an infidel."
The U.S. State Department knows about the forced servitude in Saudi households and laws exist to combat this scourge but, as Mowbray argues, it "refuses to take measures to combat it." Finally, Saudis know they can get away with nearly any misbehavior. Their embassy provides funds, letters of support, lawyers, retroactive diplomatic immunity, former U.S. ambassadors as troubleshooters, and even aircraft out of the country; it also keeps pesky witnesses away.

Given the U.S. government's louche attitude toward the Saudis, slavery in Denver, Miami, Washington, Houston, Boston, and Orlando hardly comes as a surprise. Only when Washington more robustly represents American interests will Saudi behavior improve.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 10:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, how muslim of them!
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 11:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Brings to mind the other notable saudi imports: 1) oil; 2) terrorist; 3) intolerant religious education; 4) lots of investments; 5) university students who are often short on intelligence and long on cashflow; 6) halfwit royalty able to spend with abandon; and 7) the influence that money buys. Did you say Koran desecration? What happened to the Korans of these people? I need to know. No, not the slaves. I want to know about the Korans of those poor pious slavemasters.
Posted by: Abu Al-Taxi || 06/14/2005 11:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Slavery is not endorsed by Islam, in fact, the abolishment of it is. Repeatedly freeing of slaves are options in Islamic law, never there is a mention of someone loosing their freedome (becoming slave) as punishment. Note that on the olden days, slavery was an accepted part of life in the area and in other parts of the world, but in Islam, the preference is to free slaves, not taking them. The Sheikh is clearly wrong.
Posted by: Someone || 06/14/2005 12:01 Comments || Top||

#4  I disagree, someone. Islam is all about submission, and subjugating others. Even the name Abdullah (Abdallah) means Abd (slave) of Allah. The natural order of things is for everyone to serve the alpha male in this society.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 12:14 Comments || Top||

#5  You sure?
Bukhari 3-#765 Narrated Kuraib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."

How many slaves did Big Mo have? After all he did get 20% of all the booty. And what to make of all those verses about capturing slaves in raids and wars and rapng them?
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 12:17 Comments || Top||

#6  The Sheikh is clearly wrong.

And yet he's a ranking religios figure in Saudi Arabia and you're an anonymous commentor.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 13:13 Comments || Top||

#7  Taqqyia alert.
Posted by: Ptah || 06/14/2005 13:28 Comments || Top||

#8  I thought islam menat peaceful slaves?
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 13:40 Comments || Top||

#9  I see, so using a weak hadith to trump what is in numerous places in the Koran is OK?, i think not. Islam is about submission to god not to other people. And if the Sheikh is using an argument like this than he is definitely wrong. Using a religion to controll people and to hold on to power is also wrong. I might be an anonymous commentor , but that does not reduce my chances to be right, does it?
Posted by: Someone || 06/14/2005 13:58 Comments || Top||

#10  I might be an anonymous commentor , but that does not reduce my chances to be right, does it?

When stacked against known facts about the practice of Islam, and the words of a government-funded religious authority in the Islamic country in all the world, your chances to be right were pretty slim in any case.

I see, so using a weak hadith to trump what is in numerous places in the Koran is OK?

Give us a citation, then. Should be easy for such a scholar as yourself.

(Ptah -- I think you're right. But it's rather clumsy taqqyia. Keerist, you'd think we didn't know about Mohammed's own life.)
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 14:14 Comments || Top||

#11  "When stacked against known facts about the practice of Islam, and the words of a government-funded religious authority in the Islamic country in all the world, your chances to be right were pretty slim in any case."

according to the govt funded chief rabbis in Israel, the Conservative Judaism I practice is heresy. They are wrong.

Text based religious traditions often have diverse opinions on points of law. So far "Someones" comments on Islamic law in this thread have been measured and on topic. I would appreciate the chance to learn from him - lets PLEEZE not chase him away - not until (and if) he starts trolling. We're trying to win people over, remember??
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:35 Comments || Top||

#12  "Islam is all about submission" to Allah, not to man.

abd in adallah is clearly the same semitic root as Hebrew Aved - servant, slave. Avodah can mean work or service in that sense, but it can also mean service to G-d - the Temple sacrifices, which are ordained in the bible are called avodah. Avodah is later used to mean prayer in general. I suspect Jews for Jesus uses the word avodah to refer to Christs sacrifice. So I would be careful in denigrating this ancient Semitic word.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:38 Comments || Top||

#13  Repeatedly freeing of slaves are options in Islamic law

The implications of big-s Someone's statement are: 1) Slaves are owned, and 2) Under Islam, one may, not must free them. This contrasts with most of the rest of the world, where it is forbidden to hold a person in chattel slavery, or even bond servitude. Ever. Under any circumstances.

Little-s someone, we know you aren't the one engaging in this sad exercise in taqiyah.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 14:39 Comments || Top||

#14  avedim chayenu, atah bnei chorin

once we were slaves, but now we are free (passover haggadah)

But

Al shlosha dvarim haolam omed , al hatorah, al haavodah, v al gimlut chasidim.

There are three things on which the world stands - on Torah, on prayer, and on deeds of piety. (Talmud)
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:41 Comments || Top||

#15  Ok, I googled this up for you, there about 7 references here in preference of freeing a slave. I am sure there are more.

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/slavesq.htm

And again, me being an insignificant, small, etc .. does not reduce my chances to be right, it only reduces my chances of surviving being right and talking about it.


Posted by: Glese Whaiper2938 || 06/14/2005 14:43 Comments || Top||

#16  1) Slaves are owned, and 2) Under Islam, one may, not must free them.

which is consistent with Jewish law in the Talmud, and the views of St. Paul.

This contrasts with most of the rest of the world, where it is forbidden to hold a person in chattel slavery, or even bond servitude. Ever. Under any circumstances.

which view arose as part of the 18th century enlightenment, and has been law in ALL of the United States only since 1865. It is also law now in ALL muslim countries - it is violated in many of muslim countries, but in many non-muslim countries as well.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:43 Comments || Top||

#17  correction - under Jewish law, slaves (at least Jewish ones) are to be freed in the jubilee year, which comes every 49 years.

HOwever Roman slaves were NOT so freed, and this bothered St. Paul not one bit.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:46 Comments || Top||

#18  IE slaves under Roman law, not specifically Roman slaves held by Jews
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:47 Comments || Top||

#19  Someone,

Is that why it took the saudi vermin until 1963 to abolish slavery?
Posted by: TMH || 06/14/2005 14:53 Comments || Top||

#20  Someone,

Is that why the muslim vermin went to Africa to hunt Africans like animals and sell them into slavery?
Posted by: TMH || 06/14/2005 14:56 Comments || Top||

#21  Gentle? Is that you?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/14/2005 15:01 Comments || Top||

#22  If slavery is so un-muslim, why did Soddy not ban slavery until the 1960s? Slaves have always been part of islam, read some history.
BTW LH - St. Paul wrote: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus (as he was expecting the second-coming at any time and such distinctions mattered no more).
Posted by: Spot || 06/14/2005 15:27 Comments || Top||

#23  I dont know that slavery is unmuslim, any more than its unJewish or UnChristian. It allowed, but freeing slaves is mentioned as a good thing, at least enough to so that a modern has a textual basis for antislavery.

I thought Paul said something more than that, saying good slaves should serve their masters, something like that.

In any case, the later fathers of the church, who i suppose knew the second coming wasnt imminent, didnt have much problem with slavery either.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:31 Comments || Top||

#24 

catholic encyc - article on slavery (which is quite an awesome attempt at apologetics)

"St. Peter points out their duty: to be submissive "not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward", not with a mere inert resignation, but to give a good example and to imitate Christ, Who also suffered unjustly (I Peter, ii, 18, 23-4. In the eyes of the Apostles, a slave's condition, peculiarly wretched, peculiarly exposed to temptations, bears all the more efficacious testimony to the new religion. St. Paul recommends slaves to seek in all things to please their masters, not to contradict them, to do them no wrong, to honour them, to be loyal to them, so as to make the teaching of God Our Saviour shine forth before the eyes of all, and to prevent that name and teaching from being blasphemed (cf. I Tim, vi, 1; Tit., ii, 9, 10). "
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:34 Comments || Top||

#25  liberalhawk, I think you need to consolidate your statements to make a point. In theory and in practice Judaism, along with Christianity, has not allowed slaveholding for 150 years or so. In theory, according to Someone, Islam encourages manumission, but in practice slaveholding is common, at least among rich Gulf Arabs (I find it hard to believe this is a practice of the Saudis alone). There is a great deal of indentured servitude on the Indian subcontinent even yet, where families are held generation after generation to pay off a debt incurred long ago; and I believe slavery still exists illegally in the hinterlands of Brazil, and likely elsewhere in the hinterlands of South America; and certainly slavery is very much the practice (Arab Muslims holding Black slaves) in sub-Saharan Africa. But none of this shows Islam's benevolence wrt slaveholding.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 15:35 Comments || Top||

#26  Ahah! You did make a point, but it was while I was typing, so I missed it. Sorry. Good point. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 15:36 Comments || Top||

#27  "In theory and in practice Judaism, along with Christianity, has not allowed slaveholding for 150 years or so"

Er no. Judaism requires one to follow secular law as a general rule. "Deena de malchuta Deena" Ergo when say, the US abolished slavery, Jews in the US had a halachic requirement to free their slaves. BECAUSE it was US law. Jews in the Ottoman empire could own slaves until the OE abolished slavery. I dont know of any generally accepted halachic decision that says slavery is assur (forbidden) where secular law allows it. No jews owned slaves in KSA in 1962, cause Jews werent allowed to live in KSA in 1962.

I cannot address Christianity of course. Which post 1600 is quite diverse.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:41 Comments || Top||

#28  "In theory and in practice Judaism, along with Christianity, has not allowed slaveholding for 150 years or so"

Er no. Judaism requires one to follow secular law as a general rule. "Deena de malchuta Deena" Ergo when say, the US abolished slavery, Jews in the US had a halachic requirement to free their slaves. BECAUSE it was US law. Jews in the Ottoman empire could own slaves until the OE abolished slavery. I dont know of any generally accepted halachic decision that says slavery is assur (forbidden) where secular law allows it. No jews owned slaves in KSA in 1962, cause Jews werent allowed to live in KSA in 1962.

I cannot address Christianity of course. Which post 1600 is quite diverse.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:41 Comments || Top||

#29  "From: Zev Sero
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:03:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Morality of slavery

Shmuel Himelstein wrote:

> It seems to me that we don't have to look very far to see that the Torah
> disapproves of slavery - certainly in terms of Jews.
> The simplest proof is that of the Eved Nirtzah, the Jewish slave who,
> when his servitude is up, decides that he would rather remain a
> slave. His ear is pierced, says the Midrash, because the ear which heard
> "Avadai haim" - they are My servants - and then voluntarily accepted
> slavery, deserves to be pierced. To me, this is a clear example that the
> Torah posits that slavery is a B'di'avad (ex post facto) construct, and
> not a LeChatchila (ab initio) construct. In other words, it seems to me
> - and again I say, at least in terms of Jews, the Torah regards the
> institution as an evil - even if under certain circumstances it might be
> a necessary evil.

But the Torah is clear about *why* it regards the institution of Eved
Ivri as undesirable: it's not because there's something wrong with
slavery, or with Jews being owned, but because `they're *my* slaves'.
When a Jew is sold involuntarily, he is merely suffering the just
punishment that Hashem has prescribed for him in the Torah. But when he
voluntarily submits himself to another person, he is renouncing Hashem's
prior ownership of him, and thus rebelling against his true Owner. So
even though Hashem permits it for humanitarian reasons (`for he loves
you and your family, for he has it good with you'), He makes it clear
that He disapproves.

Furthermore, the Torah makes it clear *why* we are Hashem's slaves; it's
not because He made us, as He did the whole world, but because He
rescued us from Egypt, not to set us free but to take us for Himself.
Goyim, who were not rescued from Egypt, are not Hashem's slaves, except
in the general sense in which `the whole world and its contents are
Hashem's', and therefore the Torah does not at all disapprove of owning
them, and indeed says `from them you *shall* buy slaves', which at least
some Tana'im saw as a positive command.

Rachel Rosencrantz wrote:

> First off, what we commonly think of as slavery (ala slavery in the USA)
> is quite different from what slavery is defined as in the Torah.
> It is said "He who acquires a slave acquires a master." (Kiddushin)
> After looking at the laws of slavery (at least a slave who is a Jew) its
> hard to see why anyone would want to have slaves.

This is only true of the Eved Ivri, who is better described as an
indentured servant than as a slave. As I said above, the true owner of
every Jew is Hashem, and while He permitted us under some circumstances
to have a limited `sublease' on other Jews, this is not a `ownership of
the body' but only of the work that the servant will perform. The Eved
Kenaani, on the other hand, is a true slave, whose owner has `ownership
of the body', and is not even obligated to feed him, let alone treat him
better than he treats himself. I see no significant difference between
this institution and slavery as it existed in the USA.

> In the case where someone sold themselves as a slave because they had no
> money, likewise it is intended as a period for the person to learn how
> to live on their own. At the end of 7 years the slave is to go free.
> If the slave chooses to stay it is seen as a problem.

Actually, the 6-year limit only applies to thieves sold involuntarily.
When a Jew sells himself, the term of his indenture is whatever he
negotiates with the purchaser, provided that it doesn't go past the
Yovel. In the first year of the Yovel, a Jew can sell himself for 49
years."
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:44 Comments || Top||

#30  More on slavery in Soddy (from Dhimmi Watch)-
In Islam Unveiled I explain the theological and legal reasons why slavery persists in some Islamic societies — notably Mauritania and Sudan. I had a little bit of information on slavery in Saudi Arabia in there but for reasons I don't recall it didn't make the final draft. Still, slavery was only abolished in Saudi Arabia in 1962, and there are numerous indications that it continues today — including this ad in Saudi paper (which I saw thanks to LGF) offering a 1991 Dodge for a "female servant" from Sri Lanka or India.

And why not? It's taken for granted in the Qur'an (see Suras 2:178, 2:221, 4:92, 5:89, and many more), and that is the foundation of Saudi society. It is also a cornerstone of the oppression of non-Muslims dhimmis, who throughout history have often been enslaved or treated as slaves by their Muslim overlords. The fact that such laws are still on the books ought to be the first concern of human rights organizations worldwide.

Posted by: Spot || 06/14/2005 16:19 Comments || Top||

#31  Someone,
"....Yeman has recoved 3500 children trafficked in Saudi Arabia and other neighboring
... They were taken for the purposed of Slavery and illegal adoption. ..."
This was very recent, as recent as last year.
Posted by: TMH || 06/14/2005 17:42 Comments || Top||

#32  TMH that's a cultural thing, you wouldn't understand.

Course it's the same culture that adopts a lying pederast as a seer. Who's to know.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 19:20 Comments || Top||

#33  Well, after making my point, i will have to state that these countries, while stating that they are Islamic, in fact they only use Islam as a tool to strengthen their own hold on power. religion is used as a tool to drive (hurd) the people according to the wishes of the rulers.

As to connect an illegal activity done by a person or persons of religion to the religion itself, i don't think is very fortunate or correct.
Posted by: someone || 06/14/2005 19:46 Comments || Top||

#34  Slavery may have been "outlawed" ina S.A., in a convieniently cosmetic "law" forming nothing more than a Chamberlainian piece of paper they they can narcissistically wave around in the usual self parody of vanity. They can claim "Outlawed" but not ABOLISHED. Shame on all those indulging in the criminal abuse of the term.
Posted by: an dalusian dog || 06/14/2005 22:00 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Memo Seems to Link Kofi Annan to Cotecna
A memo written by someone who was then an executive of a major contractor in the United Nations oil-for-food program states that he briefly discussed the company's effort to win the contract in late 1998 with Secretary General Kofi Annan and his "entourage" and that the executive was told that "we could count on their support." The secretary general's son, Kojo Annan, was employed by Cotecna Inspection Services, a Swiss contractor based in Geneva, and the nature of that relationship is among the issues being investigated by a panel appointed by the United Nations and several Congressional committees.

Kofi Annan has said several times that he did not discuss the contract with his son and was not involved in Cotecna's selection. A United Nations panel headed by Paul A. Volcker, a former chairman of the Federal Reserve, concluded in March that Mr. Annan had not influenced the awarding of the $10 million dollar-a-year contract to the company.
But the memo appears to raise questions about the secretary general's role.

Continued on Page 49
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#1  So, like anybody's cares.
Posted by: gromgorru || 06/14/2005 11:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, Jack-O is about to fall off the radar screen, so we need some celebrity scandal to fill the void.
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 12:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Shocking...
If these people were any smarter, they could be on a jury in California...
Posted by: Fester Chebordinek || 06/14/2005 12:22 Comments || Top||

#4  The Times finally drawing a bead on Kofi?
Not good, Kofi. Not good. Might even get you booted off the Manhattan cocktail party A list...
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 12:29 Comments || Top||

#5  It's quite likely that Goo-fi hears the baying hounds in the distance, slowly but surely closing the gap....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 12:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Where is Mike Sylwester?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 06/14/2005 13:06 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
U.S. Boosts Charges Against Defense Analyst
Federal prosecutors announced upgraded charges yesterday against a Defense Department analyst accused of disclosing government secrets, saying for the first time that Lawrence Franklin conspired to give classified information to a foreign government. An indictment filed in U.S. District Court in Alexandria charged that Franklin met with a foreign diplomat last year at a coffeehouse in the District and provided classified information about a Middle Eastern country's activities in Iraq. Court documents do not identify the diplomat or the country, but sources familiar with the case said he works for the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
The indictment, filed May 26 and unsealed yesterday, revealed that another Defense Department employee is involved in the investigation into whether classified U.S. information was provided to the government of Israel. The employee, the indictment said, was present at a separate meeting at which Franklin is accused of disclosing national defense information to two people, identified as former employees of a pro-Israel lobbying group. It is unclear if the Defense employee is also a target of the probe.
Yesterday's charges mark an escalation of the government's case against Franklin, an Iran specialist who was first charged in Alexandria last month with disclosing classified information related to potential attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq. Court documents did not reveal who received the information, but federal law enforcement sources have said it was Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, two former officials of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, an influential lobbying organization. Under the original charge -- a single count of disclosing classified U.S. national defense information to a person or persons not entitled to receive it -- Franklin could have received up to 10 years in prison. If convicted of the six new counts in the indictment, which include conspiracy to communicate classified information to an agent of a foreign government, he faces up to 55 years in prison.
In a related case, Franklin was charged last month by federal prosecutors in West Virginia, where he lives, with possessing classified documents concerning Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda and Iraq.
Franklin was arraigned yesterday on the indictment filed in Alexandria and pleaded not guilty. A judge set a trial date of Sept. 6. Franklin's attorney, Plato Cacheris, declined to comment but has previously described Franklin as a patriotic American who did nothing improper.
Rosen and Weissman have been notified that prosecutors are preparing to charge them with disclosing classified information as well, sources familiar with the investigation have said, but the timetable remains unclear. Lawyers for Rosen and Weissman attended yesterday's hearing but declined to comment. A Pentagon spokesman referred calls to federal prosecutors, who declined to comment. David Siegel, an Israeli Embassy spokesman, said Israeli diplomats "conduct themselves in full accordance with established diplomatic practice and did not do anything that would contravene these standards.''
The indictment hints for the first time at Franklin's possible motives, alleging that he was seeking "to advance his own career" and "his own personal foreign policy agenda." It says Franklin arranged a series of meetings with two officials at a Washington lobbying organization, at which he disclosed classified information. The officials are identified only as unindicted co-conspirators. Sources familiar with the case said they are Rosen and Weissman.
According to the indictment, one of the two co-conspirators initiated the relationship with Franklin in August 2002. The indictment said this conspirator called a Pentagon employee asking for an Iran expert and was given Franklin's name. Franklin called him back a week later, and Franklin began meeting with both conspirators in 2003, according to the indictment.
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#1  The indictment hints for the first time at Franklin's possible motives, alleging that he was seeking "to advance his own career" and "his own personal foreign policy agenda."

Yet Sandy Berger -- who destroyed unique documents out of the same motivations -- is walking free and is under a "punishment" that simply barred him from access to classified information until after the next presidential election(*).

Berger should be spending his remaining days in a Federal prison. That he's free and Franklin's facing charges is a farce, and just more evidence that laws simply are not applied to Democrats.

(*) Unless someone grants him a waiver. In which case he has his access back.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 12:48 Comments || Top||

#2  I suspect its cause there was no one else implicated in the Berger case.

Franklin was clearly accused as part of an FBI attempt to get either someone farther up in DoD, or somebody at AIPAC. That theyre charging Franklin means either he wouldnt turn, or there simply wasnt anything to get. Having threatened him, they had to follow through.

Believe you me, there are plenty of registered Dems who are very concerned about the investigation of Franklin. At least in the pro-Israel community.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 13:53 Comments || Top||

#3  If Franklin is guilty, whatever his motive, I hope he gets hard time and the Feds throw away the key.

As for Sandy Burglar, I hope he gets Dengue fever.


Posted by: Red Dog || 06/14/2005 15:45 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Ambassadors: Don't Link U.N. Dues to Reforms
UNITED NATIONS — Eight former U.S. ambassadors to the United Nations (search) sent a letter on Tuesday urging congressional leaders to reject a bill that would link reform of the world body to payment of American dues, warning that the legislation could actually strengthen opponents of reform. The letter, coordinated by a nonprofit group that promotes United Nations causes, said there is consensus for U.N. reform, but argued that holding back dues would plunge the United States back into the type of bitter fight with fellow member states that broke out when dues were withheld through much of the 1990s.

"Withholding our dues to the U.N. is the wrong methodology," the letter said. "When we last built debt with the U.N., the United States isolated ourselves from our allies within the U.N. and made diplomacy a near impossible task." The letter was signed by eight former ambassadors, from both Republican and Democratic administrations: Madeleine Albright, John Danforth, Richard Holbrooke, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Donald McHenry, Thomas Pickering, Bill Richardson and Andrew Young. The Better World Campaign, which organized the appeal, said the only two other living former U.S. ambassadors to the U.N. were not asked to sign — former President George H.W. Bush because of his ties to his son, President Bush, and John Negroponte because he is still in government, as national intelligence director.
The Better World Campaign (BWC) is a project of the Better World Fund, which was created with support from entrepreneur and LLL philanthropist Ted Turner

Representative Henry Hyde, R-Ill., has proposed legislation before the U.S. House of Representatives that would require the United States to withhold up to 50 percent of U.S. dues if the United Nations doesn't implement a range of reforms. The bill is scheduled to come up for a vote before the House on Thursday. Hyde argues that reform will be impossible without the threat of withholding dues. The bill's chances of becoming law in its current form are not clear because President Bush has said he opposes the tactic and there is no identical bill before the U.S. Senate. The United States is the biggest financial contributor to the United Nations, paying about 22 percent of its annual $2 billion general budget. After the U.S. government fell millions of dollars behind in arrears in the late 1990s, the United States almost lost its voting rights in the General Assembly.

The letter said that withholding money again would "create resentment, build animosity and actually strengthen opponents of reform." "The fact is reforms cost money and withholding dues impair the U.N.'s ability to make the changes needed," it letter said.
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#1  Why not?
Posted by: gromgorru || 06/14/2005 11:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Accountability is a Western hegemonic concept, a tool of the oppressive ruling class.
Posted by: Noam Chomsky || 06/14/2005 11:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Hell no! They wouldn't get a dime then.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 11:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Better to set a new base contribution level. Use US population as a percentage of the world (4.5%). Same for the 25-40% US contribution to UN agencies. This will most likely start a race toward the bottom as other high contributors quit subsidizing this Mecca of despots and corruption.
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 11:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Jeane Kirkpatrick signed? She must be getting senile then.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 11:55 Comments || Top||

#6  ...warning that the legislation could actually strengthen opponents of reform.

Sounds good. More ammo for the "Get-us-the-hell-out-of-the-UN-as-fast-as-possible" camp.
Posted by: mmurray821 || 06/14/2005 12:26 Comments || Top||

#7  isolated ourselves from our allies within the U.N.

Uhh, tell me again who our allies within the U.N. are. Other than the few like Britain and Australia that would be even if the U.N. were not around.
Posted by: SteveS || 06/14/2005 14:07 Comments || Top||

#8  So the people who pay my salary can't stop paying it and get rid of me just because they've found out I'm corrupt, steal millions from them and never do my actual job?

Sweet deal. Where can I get one of those?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/14/2005 15:02 Comments || Top||

#9  It must be like the Mafia. Once your in, your in. And never take sides against the family...
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 15:12 Comments || Top||

#10  Yup, Jean Kirkpatrick and John Danforth are just loony liberals, who have no idea how the UN works. Right.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:15 Comments || Top||

#11  LH: Maybe they have an idea of how it USED to work. Since Kofi things have seemed to have gone straight downhill.
Posted by: Charles || 06/14/2005 15:45 Comments || Top||

#12  except of course Danforth was ambassodor in 2004, succeeding Negroponte. Kofi has been SG since 1997.

And i doubt it was much better under Butros Butros Galli. Or was it?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 16:13 Comments || Top||

#13  The reign of Butros Butros Butros Galli was indeed a golden age.

Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:41 Comments || Top||

#14  But Butros Butros Butros Butros Galli was a hired consulting firm.


Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:42 Comments || Top||

#15  Damnit, I left out a Butros.

/and yes it was the important one boss.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:45 Comments || Top||

#16  Pay up as long as they ship out to France or Ethiopia.

Pay up with the agreement that US dues would be reduced with Japan/Brazil/India picking up the difference.

Pay up but establish a Council of Democracies on the side, as a future replacement.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 06/14/2005 16:46 Comments || Top||

#17  Yep, don't cut off the funds.

Borrow the brutal Zionist Deaf Ray (aka "the Scream") instead.
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 06/14/2005 17:27 Comments || Top||

#18  Deaf Ray? LOL!
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 20:11 Comments || Top||

#19  Madeleine Albright did such a fine job managing North Korean nuclear ambitions that I'm sure we all want to heed her advice on U.N. management. gag gag
Posted by: Tom || 06/14/2005 20:16 Comments || Top||

#20  Use US population as a percentage of the world (4.5%). Same for the 25-40% US contribution to UN agencies.

The Indians and Chinese will just love that plan...
Posted by: mojo || 06/14/2005 20:59 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Prompt Removal of Murderer's Statue Demanded
Spittle factor 8.8...
They still don't like Doug.
Pyongyang, June 13 (KCNA) -- The Headquarters of the People's Movement for the Withdrawal of U.S. Forces from south Korea reportedly released a commentary on June 7 demanding the immediate removal of the statue of MacArthur, the chieftain of aggression. The commentary lamented that the statue of the rare murderer is standing in the center of Inchon and even "visits" are paid to it.
Inchon? Somebody got a serious ass kicking at Inchon about 50 years ago as I remember...
Erecting the statue of the cutthroat war criminal, one of those responsible for the division of the Korean nation, and visiting it is like Japan's distortion of the history textbook and visit to "Yasukuni Shrine", it said, and added: We should feel national disgrace over this and pull down the statue at once.
These folks are pissier then Muslims.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 10:26 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's MacArthur who's responsible for the division of Korea??? These people need to start reading original sources.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 10:47 Comments || Top||

#2  I agree trailing wife, but they probably only get MSNBC in NKor.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 11:20 Comments || Top||

#3  It was somebody shorter than MacArthur who divided the Koreas...
Posted by: BigEd || 06/14/2005 11:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, yeah. Without MacArthur, the Koreas would have been united in late 1950.
Posted by: Jackal || 06/14/2005 12:39 Comments || Top||

#5  One could say that the Korea's would still be united if it weren't for MacArtur....

... under the Imperial Japanese Empire that is....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/14/2005 15:47 Comments || Top||

#6  ...Close, but no kimchee: Douglas MacArthur was NOT responsible; rather a young Major on his staff was. Gentleman's name was Dean Rusk.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/14/2005 18:59 Comments || Top||

#7  So, Norks, you want Mac's statue? Come and get it.

There are a great many Moonbats and deluded nationalists in RoK but the men who run the RoK army are under no illusions. I personally believe that NK military power is vastly overrated, a product of the MSM capitalizing on MASH indoctrination. Much is made of Kim's "million man army." It reaches that strength only with reserves called in. On that basis, the RoKs outnumber them and there is no comparison in equipment, technology, and training standards. Many second-line Nork units still use equipment left over from the original Korean War. Their Air Force still has MiG-15s and the most numerous type is the now-ancient MiG-21. Nork tanks are steel-hulled Soviet types, including many T-34/85s of WW2 vintage. They might as well be paper when confronted by APDS ammunition of any reasonable caliber. It goes on and on.

The Norks are also wedded to traditional and long-discredited Stalin-era tactical doctrines emphasizing massive shock (frontal attack) at decisive points and flank infiltration under the (non-existent) cover of darkness. It is like the much-feared Chinese assault on Taiwan (aka "the million man swim"), a paper tiger made up of equal parts propaganda and wishful thinking.

As for their nukes, would they dare? It is not impossible that the RoK has nukes itself, they definitely have the know-how. As usual with anything nuclear, the danger is vastly exaggerated though still very great. A single Nork nuke is not going to wipe out Seoul, nor would 10 or 12, the most they might have. Seoul is about 50 times as large as Hiroshima or Nagasaki in 1945 and much more solidly constructed. In return, the Norks would face literal annihilation. American nukes can obliterate every city and other important site in North Korea, including the caves and tunnels that shelter their artillery.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 06/14/2005 21:03 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Communist rebels kill 10 Filipino troops
MANILA (Reuters) - Communist rebels ambushed an army convoy in the northern Philippines on Tuesday and killed at least 10 soldiers, the deadliest attack on the military by the rebels this year, security officials said. The ambush in Ilocos Sur province, 300 km (185 miles) north of the capital, came two days after security forces killed 14 suspected communist rebels in a raid on a farming village in the northern province of Pampanga, near the capital Manila.
"The rebels were out to embarrass our government," said Lieutenant-Colonel Preme Monta, a military spokesman in the northern Philippines.
"They wanted to disrupt a state-sponsored ceremony to remember an important World War II battle in the north." He said the ceremony, which was due to be attended by U.S. and British officials, was canceled after the attack due to security concerns and to allow the army to find those responsible.
Pissed on your little party, huh?
An army spokesman in Manila said 10 soldiers were killed and several were missing in the attack. Local police said 13 troops had died. The soldiers were on their way to Cervantes town in the province when the heavily armed rebels attacked their truck, police said. Monta said the rebels burned the military truck and retreated to nearby hills.
Since 1969, communist guerrillas from seven rival factions have been separately waging a countryside war to overthrow the Philippine government, which also faces Muslim separatist rebels and home-grown Islamic militants. Talks to end the conflict, the longest communist rebellion in Asia that has killed more than 40,000 people, have been stalled since August.
Maybe because of little "incidents" like this?
The rebels say they wanted the removal of the terrorist label that Washington has placed on them before resuming formal talks brokered by Norway.
How about no.
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#1  If you don't stop labeling us a terrorists, we are going to blow up some more schools.
Posted by: Jackal || 06/14/2005 12:13 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Tales from the Crossfire Gazette
One killed in 'encounter'
Another suspected underground party activist was killed in an 'encounter' with the police at a village under Kushtia Sadar early Monday raising the death count in incidents of 'crossfire' and 'encounter' involving law enforcing agencies to 332 333 334 335 since June 2004.
The police said the deceased, identified as Shamimur Rahman Shamim alias Raza, 35, a local leader of Gana Mukti Fouz of Sramajibi Mukti Andolon, was wanted in a number of criminal cases.
He needed killin' allright ...
A squad of the Kushtia police went to Bhabanipur village after getting information about a gunfight between two groups of criminals on a field there at about 4:00am, said the police.
"Mount up, boys. There's a shootout at the Bhabanipur Corral"
As the police encircled the spot, both the feuding groups fired shots at them, prompting the law enforcers to retaliate.
"It's da law! Let um have it!"
About an hour later the groups retreated and the police found the body of Raza on the spot.
"Hey, look what I found!"

The police recovered a pipe gun and 11 bullets from the spot. Four policemen, including two sub-inspectors, were injured in the gunfight and were undergoing treatment at Sadar Hospital. The body of Raza was sent to the morgue for autopsy.
"Paging Doctor Quincy"

2 robbers killed in shootout with police, another beaten to death
June 13 : Two robbers were killed in a shootout with police while another died of mass beating in Gouripur bus stand area of Daudkandi upazila on Sunday night. Police said a gang of seven robbers, who were travelling in a Comilla-bound bus in the guise of passengers, swooped on the passengers as the vehicle reached Gouripur bus stand area at about 11 pm and looted their valuables at gun point.
"Yar, we be highwaymen! Hand over your booty!"
When the robbers were fleeing with the booty, local people rushed to the spot, caught one of the bandits and gave him good thrashing.
WACK WACK "Ouch, hey stop that! WACK "Don't you... WACK...know..WACK...who....WACK...we are?"...WACK "rosebud"
As the critically injured robber was taken to Gouripur hospital, doctors declared him dead.
"He's dead, Jim"

Later, local people also caught another bandit, Kajol and gave him a mass beating.
And a fun time was had by all. Well, except for Kajol
Police chased the other members of the gang and when they reached Haripur village of Daudkandi upazila, the robbers opened fire on the law enforcers, who also returned the fire. Two of the robbers—Gulzar Hossain Sumon, 25, and Akther Hossain, 22, -- were killed on the spot during the shootout.
Sounds like a good shooting, for a change
Police arrested another member of the gang, Anwar Hossian, and recovered a gun and three rounds of cartridge from the spot. A case has been filed with Daudkandi thana.

Seven pirates arrested
MUNSHIGANJ, June 13: Seven pirates including a gang leader were arrested from the river Meghna in the district on Wednesday, reports BSS. Police said the gang of the pirates were taking preparation when the police swooped on them.
"Avast, ye scurvy dogs! Git yer hands up!"
The arrested are Ujjal, 28, (gang leader), Jasim, 27, Arfan, 26, Khalil, 35, Ramiz, 32, Ripon, 35, and Sufian, 24. The sources said the pirates had been committing robbery in the river for long. Among them, Ujjal and Jasim were wanted in several cases including murder.

Young man killed in Rajshahi
A young man was killed at Bagmara in the Rajshahi city Monday morning. The victim is Mofazzal Hossain Mafzal, 25, of village Sanjuria of Bagmara. The Bagmara police said Mafzal had an affair of love with an SSC examinee, Kulsum, of the Tahirpur High School. The police said the family of the girl beat him to death when he went to met Kulsum Sunday night.
25 year old came sniffing around a daughter of mine in high school, I'd consider beating him to death myself
Kulsum's father, Abdul Barik, an employee of the Department of Agriculture Extension, alleged that Mafzal was an armed activist of the Purba Banglar Communist Party. He used to demand tolls from him. Barik said Mafzal went to his house at about 11.00 pm, along with his associates, demanded tolls and attacked him.
Dating his daughter, and robbing him as well. That'll get you in with the family, I don't think
The local people rescued him. They caught hold of Mafzal and beat him. He was found dead next morning. Mafzal's brother Anisur Rahman filed a case with the Bagmara police on Monday accusing seven, including Barik.

2 notorious snatchers held in Ctg
CHITTAGONG, June 13: - Rapid Action Battalion (RAB) people today rounded up the ringleader of a snatcher group and one of his close associates from city's Faridarpara area under Chandgaon police station.
The RAB squad also seized a USA origin revolver, an Italian automatic pistol and 11 rounds of live ammunition from the detainee.
No shutter guns for these guys
The detainees were identified as Mohammad Nizamuddin (28) son of Mohammad Nurul Islam of village Mohammadpur in Chatkhil and Mohammad Shafi (31) son of Nurul Islam of village Daouspur of Langudu police station in Rangamati. Sources informed that a squad of the RAB-7 raided a den of snatchers adjacent to Liton Tower at Faridarpara near Baddarhat crossing at about 10:00 a.m. The squad caught ringleader Mohammad Nizamuddin and one of his associates Shafi from the den. Both the detainees confessed to the RAB squad that they had direct involvement in most of the sensational snatching incidents took place in the port city over the last couple of months.
I'm sure they confessed of their own free will
The detainees were taken to the RAB headquarters for questioning after recording a case with Chandgaon police station in connection with the raid. Chandgaon police claimed that the detainees had been the masterminds of the sensational snatching of Taka 1.1 million of the Premier Fashion Ware Limited at city's College Road area.

Attack of the Killer Mosquitos
Barisal, June 13:—Hundreds of people of at least 13 villages under Kalapara, the coastal upazila of Patuakhali district fled from their houses after life became intolerable by attacks of the swarms of unknown variety of mosquitoes since last five days. Reports received from Kalapara said since last Thursday June 9, swams of mosquitoes, locally named as 'Jongli Masha', came from the marsh of the area attacked the local residents people and domestic animals. At least 31 people became seriously ill and huge number of domestic and poultry animals died by this mosquito bites.
Bah, that's nothing. The mosquitoes in Alaska carry off moose.
The conditions in Khazura, south and west Khazura, Naioripara, Senapara, Khasipara, Sharifpara, Hosenpara, Kalaiapara, Sangjompara, Pakupara, Lemurchar, Momipur were worst.
Hundreds of people of these villages fled from their houses and took shelters in different areas of Mahipur and Alipur fishing port of the upazila to save them selves from the mosquito bites. Ambia Khatun of Kazuria, Afzal of Senpara, Riaz of Naioripara, Toiab of Sharifpur, Delip of Pakupara, Wangchu of Sangjogpara said the mosquito bites created heavy allergy and burning.
Sohrab Hossain and Syed Fakir, local union parishad members said these types of mosquito attacks were unprecedented in last half century and even at the daytime it became impossible to stay inside the house.
Local educational institutions either declared closed or arranged classes outside the rooms to save the students and teachers from the mosquito attacks. Uses of the different types of insecticides, burning of incense (Dhup-Dhuna), coconut-coir also failed to give protection from mosquito bites.
Try some DDT. Oops, sorry, we have to protect the environment. Too bad.
Barek Molla, U P chairman of Latachapli union said due to extreme heat and shortage of rain, the leaves from the trees planted under coastal forestations and Khazuria, Lemurchar, Momipara, Gangapur reserve forest areas, fall in to the stagnant waters of the canal, marshes and ditches and contaminated waters by rotten leaves became the breeding field of the mosquitoes.

We have sent describing the conditions to the upazila and district administrations, the UP members and chairman said. Abdul Barek Mia, upazila nirbahi officer acknowledging the receipt of the letter said upazila live stock officer was asked to go to the spot and investigate the matter immediately. Dr.Jasimuddin, upazila medical officer said a medical team is prepared to go to the spot for treatment and examination of the mosquito-bite victims.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You know, I am suprised that Bushhitlerrummyhalliburton Inc. haven't tried using mosquitos on the bad boyz in Iraq. Spread a little malaria, lots of nuisance and then after all the boyz are dead just have Dupont come in and fumigate the place.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 06/14/2005 10:33 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Israeli Sound Cannon Deployed
June 14, 2005: Israel has a new crowd control weapon; a "Sound Cannon" called, "The Scream" (for the effect it has on people, causing them to cover their ears and scream in pain). The new device got its first use (aside from tests on volunteers) against Palestinians and Israelis protesting the security wall. The next major use is expected to be against violent demonstrations by Israeli settlers this August, as the government forces Israeli settlers out of their Gaza settlements. The government won't release technical details on The Scream, but from what has been discussed, it appears to be generate low frequency sound in a focused beam. There have been several "focused sound" devices showing up lately. This one uses low frequency sound to act on the inner ear, and induce nausea, dizziness and pain. The low frequency approach also means that it's probably very difficult to protect yourself from the sound, or its effects. An elaborate (sound dampened) helmet might do the trick, or some kind of sound canceling device. To prevent people from coming up with counter-measures, the Israelis are trying to keep technical details secret.

Israel has been trying to develop new non-lethal weapons, to deal with violent Palestinian demonstrators for over five years. There has not been much success in this area. The protestors who are violent, and have to be dealt with non-lethal weapons, tend to spread out and not provide easy targets. Such protesters are also pumped up, and resistant to a lot of the existing "non-lethal weapons." Tear gas and rubber bullets have, at best, partial success in dealing with violent demonstrators. The Scream may have better results, if the effect of getting zapped keeps protestors disoriented for a while.

The Scream is truck mounted, and apparently emits a blast of focused sound every ten seconds at a crowd. After less than a minute of this, most people are covering their ears (which doesn't stop the sound), looking dizzy and rather uncomfortable. The demonstration thus changes into a mass sick-in. The Scream appears to have a range of 400-500 meters, and troops in the vehicle, and behind it, appeared un protected from the sound, and unaffected by it as well.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:38 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [12 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Anybody want to put a stopwatch on Human Rights Watch?
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 10:05 Comments || Top||

#2  The Scream is truck mounted,

"For one night only... The Blues Brothers, Rhythym and Blues Review!"
Posted by: Raj || 06/14/2005 10:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Soon to be deployed to Edinburgh?
Posted by: Pappy || 06/14/2005 11:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Actually, I think one of the most disruptive things that could be done at Edinburgh would be for the *protesters* to pass around huge amounts of some potent laxative. Imagine what the city would be like if, say, 300,000 people all shit on the streets at once? I think it would send a powerful message to the G8 leaders.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/14/2005 11:20 Comments || Top||

#5  We seem to have some homemade versions of this on our streets in Madison, using window-shaking bass and hip-hop.
Posted by: James || 06/14/2005 11:26 Comments || Top||

#6  Israel has a new crowd control weapon; a “Sound Cannon” called, “The Scream”

You know we ought to be sure that the Isralei government is paying Ashlee Simpson royalties each time that weapon is used...Its only fair...
Posted by: BigEd || 06/14/2005 11:28 Comments || Top||

#7  To achieve maximum effect, the device has to have a highly trained operator.

Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 11:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, my eyes! Warn people next time, ok?
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 11:38 Comments || Top||

#9  So Yoko Ono does have a purpose on this planet.
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 11:42 Comments || Top||

#10  My money's on Bjork being involved.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 13:00 Comments || Top||

#11  bigjim-ky -- Nasty, my friend... But so accurate!
Posted by: BigEd || 06/14/2005 13:16 Comments || Top||

#12  My God! It's the Zionist Sonic Death Ray!
Posted by: Mike || 06/14/2005 14:09 Comments || Top||

#13  Personally, I believe the most effective crowd control device to be the flamethrower. I'd say it's certain to end any protest rather quickly and I'm sure with all these new thermobaric weapons, we can find something even nastier than napalm.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 06/14/2005 14:21 Comments || Top||

#14  Mike, you misspelled Deaf. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 14:52 Comments || Top||

#15  What about Christina Aguilera? Or does she have an exclusive contract with Gitmo?
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 06/14/2005 16:12 Comments || Top||

#16  What? They can build a sound cannon but they can't take 1 minute a day to call home? What kinda country are you building over there? I hear some parts aren't clean. Is that true? With all this sound cannon effort you'd think you could clean up a little....
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 20:01 Comments || Top||

#17  Nah, Gitmo is using Chinese Opera.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/14/2005 20:26 Comments || Top||

#18  Ohh.. Chinese opera - makes a "cat fight" sound nice. (Opps the wife will kill me if she sees this... As a young girl she considered being a Chinese Opera star...)

Eeenah yah!
OOOOOOOOOOh Yow!
Cymbal noise
Gong
Fan.nn.nn ...

Almost as bad as the sixty's morning wake up soundcasts in every neighborhood in Taiwan..
First - Be kind to your web footed freinds.
Next - chun bei ta..ah..min chun bei ta..ahmin...shen bei ta .. ah min.. chun be tah ah min....
(no idea what the h' it was saying but it is seared in my mind....)
Third... (I think...)
Nat Anthem...
San min jue ei .....
(all that bit about... our aim shall be to found a free land world peace be our stand... lead on comrades vanguards ye are hold fast your aim by sun and star. Be earnest and brave your country to save one heart one soul one mind one goal....)
Then...
Chinese Opera!!

No pillows thick enough to block it!
It surounds and envelopes you...
From all sides the sound comes with cracking speakers, feedback, record players slighted off...
Argh!


Yes.. the perfect torture!
Except maybe the chinese mercury torture.
Posted by: 3dc || 06/14/2005 23:13 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Armed Civilians in Iraq
June 14, 2005: Armed civilian security contractors, already unpopular with Iraqi police, recently tangled with American marines, and came out second best. In Fallujah, a convoy of vehicles, carrying 16 American employees of Zapata Engineering, and three Iraqi translators, were stopped by marines near Fallujah. The Zapata convoy was first reported to have fired at some Iraqi civilians, and a little later, marines in an observation said someone in the Zapata convoy fired at them. A mobile marine unit was notified, and the Zapata convoy was stopped, and the 19 people in it were arrested. The Zapata employees said that they had just fired warning shots at Iraqi vehicles that got too close to them. This is a standard practice, but the bullets have to go somewhere. Sometimes the "warning shots" hit people, or come close to doing so. That's what may have happened here. The contractors complained of verbal abuse from some of the marines, who commented on the high pay the contractors receive. Two of the contractors were former marines, which apparently did not spare them from the verbal jibes.

While several suicide car bomber attacks are made each day in Iraq, and even more attacks by gunmen in cars, the biggest danger on Iraqi highways remains the reckless driving habits of Iraqis. Foreign workers know that a little gun fire can warn away aggressive Iraqi drivers, as well as truly suicidal terrorists. This was believed to be the first time marines had arrested civilian contractors. However, Iraqi police have had similar run-ins with these armed civilians as well. The problem is that the country is awash with weapons, so many that each family is legally entitled to hold one assault rifle or other firearm. Many households have several weapons, and, in a popular Middle Eastern custom, these will be fired into the air during celebrations. Hundreds of people are killed or injured each year when these bullets return to earth. This, however, has not stopped the people of Iraq, or any other Middle Eastern country, from continuing this practice. However, allowing armed foreigners to freely fire warning shots is gradually coming to an end. There's more enthusiasm for this than for disarming all Iraqis. The civilian contractors will protest, and some may be withdrawn, but the change will come.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:36 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This story, without the perspective, of course, was reported yesterday on NPR as "Marines shooting at contractors"
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 11:07 Comments || Top||

#2  "The problem is that the country is awash with weapons, so many that each family is legally entitled to hold one assault rifle or other firearm."

Shouldnt that have eliminated all crime by now? :)
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 11:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Dumbass
Posted by: Mountain Man || 06/14/2005 12:54 Comments || Top||

#4  LH, that requires the mindset too. I admit that that's not stated enough, but that's the backing. Remember some comments to the effect that you act as you train, which led to multiple (Western European???) troops surrendering during fighting exercises?

That'd explain why not enough Iraqis fight back, considering that apparently in the 2003 war they surrendered to TV news crews, not just to CNN in 1991 ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 06/14/2005 13:20 Comments || Top||

#5  TW - if the contractors were reported as still alive, it's proof the report was a lie.

I definitely wouldn't want Marines shooting at me. I'm not done living yet.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/14/2005 16:29 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Marines Surrender to SOCOM
June 14, 2005: The U.S. Marine Corps has agreed to turn over a force of 2,500 specially trained marines to SOCOM (Special Operations Command.) Bowing to pressure from the Department of Defense, and SOCOM, the marines are the last of the services to make such a contribution to SOCOM. Created in 1987, SOCOM gained control over army Special Forces (including Civil Affairs, Psychological Warfare and special helicopter units), navy SEALs and air force commandoes and special aviation units. But the marines said they had nothing to offer. The marine SOCOM force will consist of 400 marines trained to provide military instruction for foreign armed forces. This has long been a Special Forces chore, and will still be. But the addition of marine training troops will take some of the pressure off Special Forces to provide this service.
The marines will also provide over a thousand marines trained as "special operations-capable." The marines have been training some of their troops to be "special operations-capable" for over a decade. But SOCOM has different standards, and skill requirements. Once the "special operations-capable" marines are turned over to SOCOM control, SOCOM will provide additional training. As part of this deal, the SOCOM marines will be available for Marine Corps operations when SOCOM doesn't need them. It's likely that once SOCOM gets control of these marines, they will keep them busy indefinitely. Finally, the marines will provide some support units. These will include stuff like dog handlers (and dogs trained for military tasks), some logistical units and an Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company.
SOCOM will also keep control over Special Operations Detachment 1, a force of 86 marines trained as commandoes. SOCOM originally wanted as many as 4,000 marines, and the final deal may result in the marines giving up more than 2,500 troops.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:34 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is just my $.02. While I have to admire the Corps for trying to maintain an element of independence given some of their mission requirements such as MAUs they also have to remember who they work for. Its not the Commandant, the Chief of Navy Operations or even the Sectratary of the Navy. They work for the Secratary of Defense who in turn works for the President. Some time I wonder just how much money we waste on duplication of capabilities or equipment (the fiasco IMO with the Air Force camo work uniforms as an example) simply in the name of tradition
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 06/14/2005 9:51 Comments || Top||

#2  just in time for SOCOM III
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 10:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Important thing for you non-military types (and military types who have nto worked closely with Marines):

One of the most important distinctions about the Marines is: Every Marine is a Marine.

They try to make sure there are no distinctions, no special treatment, no divisions, no differences in the way any Marine is treated by other Marines, nor by the outside world. Doesnt matter if you are a pilot, a cannon cocker, or a cook: the important thing is that you are a Marine.

This will be a severe test of that "way of life". SOCOM (and its predecessors) has its own way of doing things. As an example: From the Army side of things there was the way things happened there, and then there was "Back in Army" (and sometimes the Big Army if you were a ranger) -- SOCOM is definitely NOT the Army. And its Definitely NOT the Marine Corps.

This will be interesting to see if they SOCOM assigned Marines get passed over for promotions or have difficulties when they return to the "regular" Marines. The Marines can be such a clannish bunch.

Posted by: OldSpook || 06/14/2005 10:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, look at the experiences of "China" Marines, or embassey Marines, or Roosevelt's Commandos. I don't know the answer but I would suspect it's in that bunch.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/14/2005 10:46 Comments || Top||

#5  SOCOM better watch it's back or the Marines will take over.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 11:34 Comments || Top||

#6  The Marines are doing fine. A Marine now leads our NATO forces, Strategic Command and, shortly, the Joint Staff.

The cost is that they've gotta play with the others. ;-)
Posted by: too true || 06/14/2005 14:44 Comments || Top||

#7  I expect you're right Chuck, perhaps it'll be like the old Seagoing Marines (not Marine force) the ones that enforced the Captains will on a sometimes hardheaded crew.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:33 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
How To Stop Baghdad Car Bombers
June 14, 2005: Iraq, beset by a massive suicide bomber offensive in Baghdad, found a way to effectively fight back. On May 22nd, the Iraqis brought together seven army infantry battalions, and nine Special Police battalions, plus contingents from five American brigades, and proceeded to lock down the entire city. In addition to dozens of new check points, the police commandos started working down a list of dozens of newly identified terrorists, and locations they operated out of. This list was compiled from information captured in April and May, plus stuff extracted from captured terrorists, and lots of tips from Iraqi civilians. The United States contributed computer support and aerial reconnaissance to help put together the hit list. After three weeks of "Operation Lighting," the number of car bombs going off was down 38 percent, and the number of these weapons discovered before they could go off was up 23 percent. There was also a ten percent decline in the number of roadside bombs going off, and 18 percent fewer ambushes of convoys and patrols.

The terrorist organizations were obviously disrupted. This was done with 61 raids on specific locations, and 251 cordon and search operations in neighborhoods or areas where terrorist activity was know, or suspected. A lot of the intel information did not provide a specific building address, but rather a stretch of a particular street, or part of a neighborhood. These raids and searches led to 992 arrests and the discovery of 45 weapons caches (often containing bomb making materials, including finished bombs.) Also captured was lots of cash (over $100,000 worth) and many documents (paper and electronic.) Some of the raids resulted from specific information picked up in earlier raids or searches.
They bagged another car bomb maker today
American troops mostly provided backup or security for the Iraqis, who actually went in and did most of the searches and made the arrests. Thus there were no language problems, and the Iraqis, naturally, were more likely to spot something that was out of place.

"Operation Lighting" is the largest operation the Iraqi security forces have conducted so far, and is something of a test of the recruiting, training and leadership of the force. It appears to be working. The suicide bombers are increasingly blowing themselves up at check points, unable to get through to their targets. The Iraqi people are angry at the terrorists, and now blame these "foreigners" for the countries security problems. The Sunni Arab groups (former Saddam supporters) providing cover and other aid for the al Qaeda terrorists, are themselves split over this connection to the hated terrorist group. Al Qaeda glories in the mayhem it is creating, but the war in Iraq is increasingly one between Iraqis and al Qaeda terrorists from other Arab countries. Not exactly what Osama bin Laden had in mind as an aftermath for September 11, 2001.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:31 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Operation "Lighting"? As in "Track Lighting" or "Fluorescent Lighting"?

What's next? Operation Wainscotting?

In all seriousness, it is good to hear continued storied about Iraqi security troops and civilians increasingly taking these matters into their own hands. The Islamofascists are continuing to demonstrate their belief that the only good moderate Muslim is a dead Muslim.
Posted by: Dar || 06/14/2005 9:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Obviously this article cannot be correct. I didn't read this in the NY Times.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 06/14/2005 11:09 Comments || Top||

#3  I was in Iraq on business when the car bombing of civilians began.

I can tell you that almost universally, from talking to Iraqis in cafes and restaurants, that the Iraqis are supremely p.o.ed at the jihadist and suicide bombers.

They know full well that the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Syrians and Iranians do not want them to succeed as a democracy. Very few of them want a theocracy.

I am cheering for these guys as should any one with any common sense or understanding of humanity.
Posted by: TheSockPuppetofDoom || 06/14/2005 11:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Obviously Strategy is a "white christian" website.
I wouldn't doubt it a bit if they abuse the koran either. Those crazy bastards would probably deny George Bush attacked the twin towers and pentagon, or that he spreads aids on purpose in africa.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 13:15 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey, bigjim-ky - ya forgot the polio vacine that was engineered to sterilize women. How couldya fergit that?
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 13:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Yeah, yeah, that too!
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 13:24 Comments || Top||

#7  Operation "Lighting"? As in "Track Lighting" or "Fluorescent Lighting"? What's next? Operation Wainscotting?

"Tonight on HGTV - 'Interior Decorators Go to War'....
Posted by: Pappy || 06/14/2005 19:34 Comments || Top||


Combat Commanders In Charge
June 14, 2005: The U.S. Army is adding "Peacekeeping 101" to the training it gives company and battalion commanders headed for Iraq. Over there, American combat troops are getting lots of peacekeeping experience, when they aren't engaged in combat operations. Actually, company and battalion commanders are getting lots of peacekeeping jobs, mainly because they tend to be the "go-to guys" in the areas where their units operate. Most foreign NGOs (Non-Governmental Organizations) are staying out of Iraq because of the terrorism. Al Qaeda is hostile to non-Moslems, and most NGOs are run by Christians, or non-Moslems. The terrorists are also hostile to foreigners of any nationality, unless they are al Qaeda members. Thus American commanders find themselves the logical people military reconstruction and Civil Affairs personnel will turn to. In addition, local Iraqis looking for help, as well as whatever NGOs in the area.

So far, the commanders have been improvising. Their division or brigade staffs sometimes create short documents giving tips and guidelines for how to handle peacekeeping duties. And these officers also make use of Internet resources, especially army controlled bulletin boards and download sites for material, and advice, on what to do. Now the army is going to develop some more systematic training.

American combat commanders have found themselves in this kind of situation for over a century. When the American Civil War ended, it was officers in command of units occupying the southern states that were often called upon to sort out "peacekeeping" situations. This meant getting involved with local government, or lack of same. Officers had to improvise and use their imaginations. It happened as recently as the U.S. Army operations in Bosnia and Kosovo in the late 1990s.

As much as the army tries to provide military Civil Affairs units, and civilian operators (either U.S. government, local government, or NGOs) for this sort of thing, power tends to devolve to American combat commanders. In situations where there are still a lot of armed hostiles running around, it's the nearest American combat commander who has the most options. People looking for peace, and some relief, regard the American commanders as the people most likely to get the job done. So far, these officers have been successful, although the degree of success varied according to individual talent for this sort of thing, and how intense the combat situation was. In the past year, more and more "hot zones" in central Iraq have calmed down. This has allowed combat commanders, who are still running patrols and raids, to spend more time on the reconstruction and government aspects of peacekeeping.

In addition to more peacekeeping training for commanders, the army is also adding more people, especially at the battalion level (the smallest unit that has a staff for the commander), who can take care of some of the peacekeeping details. But in Iraq and Afghanistan, the local leaders (tribal or religious), often want to see the local "American Amir" (commander) to discuss, and resolve problems. It's been that way for over a century, and is not likely to change in the future.
One of the reasons our occupation of Japan went so well was that Gen Douglas MacArther filled the role of Emperor.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:18 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is a very good sign. I am reminded of how the military was a superb peacemaking force after the Indian Wars, post Civil War. Their reports of the time show them to be skilled negotiators, involved in inter- and intra-tribal disputes, Indian and settler disputes, and Indian and military disputes. One of their more effective tools was hiring many "braves" not just as liasons, but as scouts "blueshirts", and eventually soldiers. All too soon, full blooded Indians were being trained as Reserve Officers.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/14/2005 11:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Anonymoose, this was bad why? ("full blooded Indians were being trained as Reserve Officers")

And this is good news! A heckuva lot more of the world is in the stages of warlordism than we'd like to admit, so I agree that this is a good improvement. Ever hear of "battationcommandersonline.mil"? ;) (It's the name of a StrategyPage article about the rise of battalions as the smallest, yet vital strategic unit.)

Reminds me of how the Special Forces do things back in Afghanistan ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 06/14/2005 13:25 Comments || Top||

#3  "One of the reasons our occupation of Japan went so well was that Gen Douglas MacArther filled the role of Emperor"

the other reason is that the New Deal bureaucrats who actually ran the occupation pretty much ignored MacArthur, IIUC. although that was pretty close to the old Japanese system too.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 13:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Sheesh, Lh, methinks you understand incorrectly, and I won't insinuate you'd make shit up to support your thoughts, nay, but that only took 15 seconds to disprove. There are hundreds of links, of course, but one that particularly grabbed my attention did so because it was first-hand knowledge. Y'know, someone who was actually there, on the scene, knew the players, etc? I know first-hand experience is something you've derided in the past, but I found it rather more compelling than your dismissive forty-eighth-hand view.

JRPI - Japan Policy Research Institute:
"Writing a new Constitution was supposed to have been undertaken by the Japanese themselves. However, as is well known, this aspect of Japan’s “regime change” became GovSec’s most impressive and lasting achievement. Although it was written during one tumultuous week in February, 1946, some seven months before I arrived, work on it continued because debates in the House of Peers resulted in certain amendments, as well as because of some difficulties in the Japanese translation of the document itself. Two factors played an important role in convincing MacArthur to ignore the Far Eastern Advisory Commission’s (FEAC) [your New Deal Doods] purely hortatory edict that any constitutional change needed its imprimatur. [Sound like typical bureaucratic power gamers, no?] First, all of the Japanese drafts amending the existing Constitution were deemed to be badly flawed and insufficient. Second, the FEAC was going to be replaced by the FEC—the Far Eastern Commission—which was intended to project a greater international voice in supervising Occupation policy. SCAP was most concerned that possible Soviet intervention might threaten its goal of the new Constitution’s early completion."

Not only was it the case that the New Deal Bureaucrats were the ones ignored, especially in the single-most important aspect of the occupation, but they were summarily sideline by the guy you imply was a mere figurehead. Sheesh, who'da thunk it, eh?
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 15:14 Comments || Top||

#5  a translator on Mac's staff gives credit to Mac. Big surprise.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:20 Comments || Top||

#6  "any of the most interesting parts of the book discuss how, after the early punitive phase of the Occupation, the reform process was a collaborative one in which progressive Japanese academics and civil servants worked closely with New Deal Americans to revolutionize thinking on such issues as women’s rights, in the face of resistance from the defenders of the Old Order often with surprising results. In October 1947, for example, Japanese legislators abolished the crime of adultery when SCAP insisted that the law, which had previously only applied to women, be enforced for men as well. "
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Re #5 - Dismissing him proves dick. He was there, you weren't. I'll take his account, thanks.

Re #6 - You didn't cite your source. Authoritative, is it?

You might find this Sgt Stryker post interesting. Somehow I don't think he shares your view.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 15:33 Comments || Top||

#8  whatever. Like I said, IIUC.

Ok, mac had more influence than a figurehead emperor. The new dealers had much influence as well. Certainly this was NOT an occupation primarily of military folks.

BTW, my dad was there. Very briefly, before his ship went back to California.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:37 Comments || Top||

#9  Hey, you've got your hands full, today, defending All Things Liberal. So it's no biggie, you just posted a common, though incorrect, off-hand brain fart remark.

Mac was anything but perfect, as are all of us, but he knew the Japanese very well and was no figurehead. Hell, even PBS acknowledges it.

So go fight the good fight on those other fronts. It's cool.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 15:38 Comments || Top||

#10  "Bureaucrats to the ramparts!"


LH - you're biting today
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 15:40 Comments || Top||

#11  "BTW, my dad was there."

My kind of guy. A (now deceased) friend of mine was there, as well. His name was Dr Richard Johnson. He served on the economics team (of Mac's staff) that helped rebuild them into an economic powerhouse. Dr Johnson went on to become a major player in the US banking industry, founding the Southwestern Graduate School of Banking, SWGSB - "swigsbee" to most of the bankers in America. He told me that "emperor" Mac was a very quick study and usually pointed out the hows to them when they were working with their Japanese counterparts - how to communicate with them to make sure they understood the reasons behind the reforms, because then they would enthusiastically implement them. Apparently, he was more detail oriented than his legend implies, and definitely more involved than the revisionists have asserted. FWIW.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 15:49 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Militant dies of wounds from "work accident"
A Hamas militant injured in an explosion in his house in the Shatti camp in Gaza died Tuesday from his wounds. A statement by the group's military wing, al-Qassam Brigades, said Bilal al-Kassami died from wounds he suffered while carrying out a "jihadist" mission in the camp of Shatti. Monday's explosion in the crowded camp in western Gaza largely destroyed Kassami's house, which burst into flames, causing panic among the population. Palestinian sources said the explosion was probably caused by a technical mistake as the militant was preparing an explosive charge.
A classic case of "Red Wire Syndrome"

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#1  I love these stories!
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 9:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Truly heartwarming too heal these tales of Darwinsism at work.
Posted by: Charles || 06/14/2005 9:30 Comments || Top||

#3  I love these stories too! The only thing that would make them better would be to read that the asshat didn't die outright but rather lingered on for about 10 minutes, flailing his broken limbs and choking on his own blood.
Posted by: Dar || 06/14/2005 9:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Paleo advances in civilization: one-by-one
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 9:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Who dares to say arab culture is not on the cutting edge of science! I'm sure the Paleo ejit was on the verge of some remarkable breakthrough in bombmaking technology. They better not short him on the 72 just because he blew up in his own home.
Posted by: Tkat || 06/14/2005 9:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Yeah......it was a "militant"...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 9:55 Comments || Top||

#7  Mr al-Kassami, first Palestinian astronaut.

Launched without a rocket.
Posted by: BigEd || 06/14/2005 11:34 Comments || Top||

#8  Those filthy Israeli swine are Really going to get it now.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 11:35 Comments || Top||

#9  Successful test of the Haliburton Mind Control detonation device
Posted by: Warthog || 06/14/2005 15:13 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Lawyer: Terror suspect's rights violated
COLUMBUS, Ohio, June 13 (UPI) -- A lawyer for a Somali asylum-seeker has asked a federal judge to bar prosecutors from using statements his client made to the FBI after his arrest in Ohio. Lawyer Maher Sherif told the Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch that the entire case against Nuradin Abdi comes from the defendant.
After Abdi's arrest, Attorney General John Ashcroft said publicly that he had planned to blow up a shopping mall in Columbus. But the formal charges include lying to federal authorities about an alleged 1999 visit to a terrorist training camp in Ethiopia and immigration violations. According to Sherif, the FBI held Abdi for several days in 2003 without telling him he was a suspect or notifying him of his rights and obtained an arrest warrant only after he had made incriminating statements. Sherif has also asked to have the trial moved out of Ohio because of the government's mall claim.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Asylum-seeker who told the FBI he was a badboy? No asylum DW! You no savy. Counselor Sherif should clarify whether it was the right to be free from the consequences of personal idiocy, the right to lie on asylum applications, or the right to foolish counsel that was violated.
Posted by: Tkat || 06/14/2005 9:37 Comments || Top||

#2  So grant the shyster's motion and turn the clown over to immigration and deport him. Is that what he wants?
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 10:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh nooooooo. If he's deported to Skinnyland he ain't gonna be paying any fees. Sherif don't like it. Sherif's hoping it can be dragged out meaning more time and more fees for appeals and public pronouncements to the media about the horror.
Posted by: Tkat || 06/14/2005 10:34 Comments || Top||

#4  If I had to place a bet, I'd wager there isn't a lot of fee income you could generate from a Somali refugee, and government reimbursement (if there's any) doesn't exactly scream 'gravy train', either.
Posted by: Raj || 06/14/2005 10:52 Comments || Top||

#5  "Gravytrain" is a relative word.
Posted by: Tkat || 06/14/2005 11:59 Comments || Top||

#6  Raj, I wouldn't be surprised if Maher Sherif weren't being paid by the local jihadi-wannabes. More cash available there than from the government.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 12:53 Comments || Top||

#7  Sharif hasn't mentioned yet that if aquitted he will immediately file a civil suit and want many millions of dollars. I say guilty and gone to skinnyland.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 13:44 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Colombian suspect gives Venezuela the slip
CARACAS, A Colombian drug trafficker wanted in the United States has escaped from the headquarters of Venezuela's security police. Jose Maria Corredor reportedly escaped over the weekend with the help of Venezuelan security officers, Venezuela's Information Officer Andres Izarra said Monday. Corredor was arrested in Venezuela earlier this year at the request of the United States, El Nacional newspaper reported Monday. He is accused of shipping hundreds of pounds of cocaine from Colombia through neighboring nations and onto the United States, Africa and Europe.
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#1  Drop by Hugo's house. He probably having breakfast while Hugo makes sure the wire transfer went through.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 9:33 Comments || Top||


Demonstration against Anti-American bias in German media and politics
Davids Medienkritik and No Pasaran Present...
...On June 27, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder will be in Washington, DC for perhaps his final official state visit...We want to give him a warm sending-off, so...

...Live at 12:30 PM on June 27 at Lafayette Park directly across from the White House! Everyone is invited to attend...

A Demonstration against Anti-American Bias in German Media and Politics and for German-American Friendship and Cooperation

Sponsored by Davids Medienkritik and No Pasaran!

We have the official permit and we have already reserved a stage with podium, microphone and amplifiers. Ray D. will be there live to discuss bias in the German media and to do blog readings. We will also supply signs and banners. We would like to ask readers for recommendations and suggestions for possible speakers and slogans: Please feel free to write your ideas in the comments section or email us.

Above all: Plan to be there! It all happens in two weeks.


We will provide more details in the coming days.


Posted by: too true || 06/14/2005 09:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ah man, I wish I could get to DC. Rock the mic dude!
Posted by: mmurray821 || 06/14/2005 9:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Can you get Arnold?
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 06/14/2005 10:50 Comments || Top||

#3  I can't get little Gerhard outta there and have them vote some sanity back in...

I can't wait to hear "Chancellor Angela Merkel"...

Is it September yet?
Posted by: BigEd || 06/14/2005 11:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Sign me up for the Shroeder Climbing Into Chirac's Bunghole paper mache float construction crewe.
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 12:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Hmmmmmm...
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 12:26 Comments || Top||

#6  A little background Sea: Welcome to Mainz Mr. President!
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 12:49 Comments || Top||

#7  This is a great gesture, and a move in the right(no pun intended) direction, but if there are only 25 people at the demonstration.....
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 13:27 Comments || Top||

#8  Doggonit, why couldn't we have coordinated this with Rantapalooza ...
Posted by: Steve White || 06/14/2005 14:37 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Saudi suspect arrested in Riyadh
Saudi police arrested a suspicious person who was spotted while scrutinizing a building that houses the offices of a U.S. company in east Riyadh. Daily al-Riyadh said Tuesday the man was spotted going around the building in his car several times in the neighborhood of Janadriya, sparking the suspicion of the company guards. Police ordered the man to stop and shot him when he tried to escape. "The man suffered a minor injury and was rushed to hospital, as policemen cordoned off the area and conducted searches for more suspects," the paper said. The identity of the suspect was not released.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:06 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Probably just a Jehovah's Whitness or something.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 13:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Something is in the works:
"Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:26 AM

Subject: Warden Message.

WARDEN MESSAGE

June 8, 2005

The Embassy requests that wardens pass the following message in its entirety to members of the American Community:

The American Embassy advises American citizens in Saudi Arabia that Saudi Public Security has notified residents of Western housing compounds in the Dhahran region of a possible terrorist threat against compounds housing Americans. Following consultations with Saudi authorities, the U.S. Embassy is aware of no specific terrorist threat at this time. American citizens should, nonetheless, maintain a heightened awareness of their surroundings and be alert to possible security threats.

Warden messages can be found on the U.S. Embassy Riyadh website:<http://riyadh.usembassy.gov/>.

Posted by: TMH || 06/14/2005 15:03 Comments || Top||

#3  WEll, that's reassuring. Time for duct tape & plastic sheeting? Kevlar clothes?
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 15:25 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Afghans catch Taliban wanted for cleric's murder
Afghan authorities have captured a Taliban regional commander wanted for the assassination of a leading anti-militant cleric last month, police said on Tuesday. Haji Atiqullah was wounded and captured during a shootout in the southern city of Kandahar on Monday night after attempting to assassinate a local militia commander, a senior police officer in the city said. Atiqullah, who was in charge of foreign relations in Kandahar during the Taliban's rule, was wanted for the assassination of Mawlavi Abdullah Fayaz, a prominent critic of the Taliban shot dead last month by gunmen riding on a motorcycle. Taliban spokesman Abdul Latif Hakimi confirmed the arrest and said Atiqullah had been an important commander in Kandahar. A local militia commander named Mandoi was wounded along with a bodyguard in the attack on Monday night in which Atiqullah opened fire on them from a motorcycle, the police said.

Authorities have accused the Taliban of being behind a suicide bombing of a mosque in Kandahar during a memorial service for Fayaz on June 1 which killed 20 people. The Taliban have denied involvement in the attack, part of a surge in militant violence seen in the run-up to parliamentary elections due in September. Earlier on Tuesday, the U.S. military said U.S. and Afghan forces had killed two militants and detained 12 others after a clash north of Kandahar on Sunday. On Monday, a suicide bomber rammed a car packed with explosives into a U.S. military vehicle near the city, killing himself and wounding four American soldiers, one seriously. Goverment spokesman Jawed Ludin told a news briefing the attack on the Americans, which was claimed by the Taliban, was under investigation. He said the head of the suicide attacker had been found and from his appearance, he may have been a foreigner.
"The ear kind of looks Saudi"
"But this lip... This is definitely an Uzbek lip!"
If only someone could give them a hand ...
About 150 insurgents have been killed in violence this year, according to U.S. and Afghan government figures. Dozens of government security men have also died in the fighting, as well as 13 U.S. soldiers since March.
This article starring:
ABDUL LATIF HAKIMITaliban
Goverment spokesman Jawed Ludin
HAJI ATIQULLAHTaliban
Mawlavi Abdullah Fayaz
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 09:02 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
Security Forces Arrest Reputed Al-Qaida Suicide Car Bomb Maker
Security forces have captured a reputed key member of Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaida in Iraq terrorist group who is accused of building and selling cars used by suicide bombers, the government said Tuesday. Jassim Hazan Hamadi al-Bazi, also known as Abu Ahmed, was arrested June 7, it said in an announcement. It added that he was part of an al-Qaida cell run by a man identified as Hussayn Ibrahim. Al-Qaida in Iraq and other extremist Islamic groups have been blamed for many of the suicide car bombings, beheadings and attacks that have killed at least 1,009 people since the Shiite-led government was announced on April 28. According to the announcement, al-Bazi built and sold remote-controlled bombs used in roadside attacks from an electronic repair shop in Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad.
Bombs"R"Us
It added that al-Bazi sold the bombs for about $18,000 each "and was involved in building suicide vehicle" bombs and land mines that were used in Balad and Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad. One such suicide car bomb attack Monday in Samarra - and an ensuing gunbattle between insurgents and police - killed three policemen and a civilian. The government statement said al-Bazi "was also an active weapons dealer selling missiles, guns, mortars and hand grenades. Iraqi security officials believe he is a primary suspect for providing weapons and the training for attacks against the Iraqi people, the Iraqi government and the Iraqi security forces."
String him up...
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 08:58 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  al-Bazi sold the bombs for about $18,000 each Golly, Mr. Wife is in the wrong business!
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 10:17 Comments || Top||

#2  String him up...

Shackle the guy into the driver's seat of a car, fill it full of nails, and blow it up.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 10:50 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Army Chief Says Gaza Withdrawal Will Be Difficult Under Fire
JERUSALEM (AP) - The planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip this summer will be difficult if Palestinian militants wage attacks on Israeli forces trying to evacuate the settlements, although the army will still accomplish its mission, Israel's military chief said Tuesday.
Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz said the delicate job of having unarmed troops forcibly evacuate resistant settlers while trying to defend against Palestinian attacks would be complex and dangerous. In that situation, the army would have to deal with the militants before it could proceed with the withdrawal, he said. "There won't be disengagement under fire," he told a news conference.
However, he did not specify how much violence Israel would be willing to absorb before suspending the pullout to attack the militants.
Not a lot, I'm thinking

"(It) depends on how much fire, what kind of fire, where the fire is. But in principle, there can be no fire," he said.
The Israeli government has expressed concern that the militants, wanting to create the impression that their attacks are driving Israel out of Gaza, will take advantage of the pullout to attack the troops and settlers. Top Israeli officials have been working to coordinate the pullout with Palestinian leaders to prevent militant attacks during the evacuation and the Palestinian Authority has promised to give militant groups a voice in pullout plans in exchange for a promise to refrain from violence. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas are scheduled to meet June 21, in part to discuss the withdrawal.
Palestinian Foreign Minister Nasser Al Kidwa said Tuesday that Abbas' priority in the meeting will be to reach agreement on the pullout, the implementation of a Feb. 8 cease-fire agreement, and an Israeli pullback from Palestinian towns in the West Bank. The cease-fire has brought a noticeable lull in fighting after more than four years of bloodshed. However, sporadic violence, including Israeli arrest raids and Palestinian mortar and rocket attacks, has continued.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 08:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Top Israeli officials have been working to coordinate the pullout with Palestinian leaders to prevent militant attacks during the evacuation..

Just issue one warning: any attack as Israelis depart will meet with an intense bombardment of the attackers' positions, location and collateral damage be damned.

..and the Palestinian Authority has promised to give militant groups a voice in pullout plans in exchange for a promise to refrain from violence.

Translation: The PA has little, if any, control over "militants", and is forced to resort to pleading and appeasement in order to get something done.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 10:37 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi Parliament Gives Vote of Confidence to Shiite-Led Government
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The Shiite-dominated government of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari received a vote of confidence Tuesday in the Iraqi National Assembly. Al-Jaafari's 37-member government, announced on April 28, and its program were overwhelmingly approved by a show of hands in the 275-member parliament. "It's obvious that it's almost unanimous. Thank you," deputy parliament speaker Hussain al-Shahristani, a Shiite, said after presiding over the quick vote.
Shiites have 140 of the 275 seats in the National Assembly, while Kurds have the second-largest bloc with 75 seats. Sunni Arabs have only 17 seats in parliament, largely because many boycotted the Jan. 30 elections or stayed home for fear of attacks at the polls.
"Today's vote is a sign of support to the government's policies and to al-Jaafari. This shows the unity between the legislative and executive authorities," said Saad Jawad a legislator in the prime minister's United Iraqi Alliance. The government has made security its top priority but has been criticized for its seeming inability to halt an insurgency that has killed more than 1,000 people since its inception and to bring order to Iraq. "It is a step aimed at boosting the al-Jaafari government's efforts to achieve security," alliance legislator Jalal al-Din al-Shagir said.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 08:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The government has made security its top priority but has been criticized for its seeming inability to halt an insurgency that has killed more than 1,000 people since its inception"

Could that be because the minority party uses car bombs to express themselves? Makes having Howie run off at the mouth seem like a small price to pay, and even Mikey's "bombs" are only flops, not explosive devices.
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 9:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Sunni Arabs have only 17 seats in parliament

"It's obvious that it's almost unanimous

Gee, let me guess how many people voted no.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 13:31 Comments || Top||

#3  hee hee Bobby!
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:47 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Two 'rebels' die in Afghan clash
Two suspected militants have been killed and 12 others captured in a clash with Afghan and US-led coalition forces in southern Afghanistan.
"Hmmm... Turbans... Automatic weapons... Explosives... Riding motorcycles... Legume, I suspect these may be militants!"
"Inspector! How do you do it?"
A US military statement said the clash occurred north of the southern city of Kandahar. Separately, police say 18 commanders linked to an anti-government warlord, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, have surrendered.
Hek's boys packing it in, huh?
There has been an increase in militant activity in the south and east of the country after a lull during the Brutal Afghan winter. The incident happened when the Afghan and coalition forces spotted a group of 15 rebels moving in a narrow valley and blocked their way, a US military statement said. Two militants were killed and another wounded in the gun battle.
"Rosebud!"
"Rosebud!"
"Owwww!"
The soldiers detained 12 rebels from the group after a "complete search of the area," the statement said. About 150 rebels have been killed in violence this year, according to the US and Afghan government figures quoted by the Reuters news agency. The commanders linked to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar were said to have surrendered as part of a reconciliation drive aimed at former militants. The fighters are said to have given themselves up in the south-eastern town of Gardez on Sunday. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's group, Hezb-e-Islami, is suspected of carrying out a string of attacks against US and Afghan troops.
I believe he's issued a press release or two saying the same thing
Last month, the Afghan government extended its amnesty scheme to include top figures in the former ruling Taleban, and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
This article starring:
GULBUDIN HEKMATYARHezb-e-Islami
Hezb-e-Islami
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 08:33 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A 100% loss rate. A good day's work. Welcome to Bagram Talib boyz.
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 10:59 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Bomb kills 22 in Iraq bank queue
At least 22 people have been killed in a suicide bombing in the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk. Police say most of the dead were civil servants lining up outside a government-owned bank to get their salaries or pensions. They believe the bomber walked up to the queue with up to 30kg (66lbs) of explosives hidden under his clothes. Among the 50 people wounded were 10 children, who had small stalls on the side of the road.
The explosion took place near a bridge over the road, and people were killed both on the bridge and on the ground, the Associated Press news agency reported. The blast outside the al-Rafidain bank also set at least two nearby cars on fire and sent glass and rubble flying into the street. At least one report says bodies are trapped under the rubble.
"I came here to get my wages and I brought my grandson with me who insisted on accompanying me," Hussein Mohammed, a 70-year-old retired employee of the Northern Oil Company with his head swathed in bandages, told AP. "The bomb exploded as we queued outside the bank," he added.
Kirkuk, 290km (180miles) north of Baghdad, is an ethnically mixed city wanted by the Kurds as the capital of their autonomous region in the north. It houses communities of Kurds, Arabs, and Turkmen vying for control. Correspondents say the city, a major oil-producing centre, has been the focus of intense ethnic rivalry since Saddam Hussein's fall from power. The bombing came a day after four separate attacks killed at least 11 people in Iraq. More than 900 people, mostly Iraqis, have died in insurgent attacks across the country since the government of Prime Minister Ibrahim Jafaari took office six weeks ago.
Ansar al-Sunna has claimed responsibility for this blast
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 08:30 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
German police arrest three Iraqis
German police have arrested three Iraqi citizens suspected of funding a militant Kurdish organisation operating in Iraq, Ansar al-Islam. Prosecutors said the three live in southern Germany, but did not say where they had been arrested. Police searched 24 properties as part of the investigation into the activities of the three men and a further 11 suspects. US officials say Ansar al-Islam is part of the al-Qaeda network. The three men were identified as Dieman A I, 39, from Nuremburg; Kawa H, 33, from Munich; and Najat O, 43, from Buehl. They are suspected of donating money to Ansar al-Islam, collecting contributions for the group and providing courier and other logistical services for it in Germany. A prosecutors' statement said that while the funds were believed to have been used to plot attacks in Iraq, there was no evidence that they had been earmarked for attacks in Germany.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 08:20 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
U.S. uses immigration law to fight terror
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/14/2005 03:47 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It would be nice if the U.S. used immigration law to fight illegal immigration....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 9:57 Comments || Top||

#2  I agree, but remember how Elliot Ness got Al Capone - income tax evasion. Results are important, too.
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 10:12 Comments || Top||

#3  It would be nice if the U.S. used immigration law to fight illegal immigration....

When the Border Patrol was folded into Homeland Security and a new agency (Customs and Border Patrol), the Customs-mentality became dominant. Hence immigration laws are use more to fight terrorism than curb illegal immigration.
Posted by: Pappy || 06/14/2005 10:57 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Raped, Kidnapped and Silenced
No wonder the Pakistan government can't catch Osama bin Laden. It is too busy harassing, detaining - and now kidnapping - a gang-rape victim for daring to protest and for planning a visit to the United States. Last fall I wrote about Mukhtaran Bibi, a woman who was sentenced by a tribal council in Pakistan to be gang-raped because of an infraction supposedly committed by her brother. Four men raped Ms. Mukhtaran, then village leaders forced her to walk home nearly naked in front of a jeering crowd of 300. Ms. Mukhtaran was supposed to have committed suicide. Instead, with the backing of a local Islamic leader, she fought back and testified against her persecutors. Then Ms. Mukhtaran, who believed that the best way to overcome such abuses was through better education, used her compensation money to start two schools in her village, one for boys and the other for girls. She went out of her way to enroll the children of her attackers in the schools, showing that she bore no grudges. A group of Pakistani-Americans invited Ms. Mukhtaran to visit the U.S. starting this Saturday. Then a few days ago, the Pakistani government went berserk.

On Thursday, the authorities put Ms. Mukhtaran under house arrest - to stop her from speaking out. In phone conversations in the last few days, she said that when she tried to step outside, police pointed their guns at her. To silence her, the police cut off her land line. After she had been detained, a court ordered her attackers released, putting her life in jeopardy. That happened on a Friday afternoon, when the courts do not normally operate, and apparently was a warning to Ms. Mukhtaran to shut up. Instead, Ms. Mukhtaran continued her protests by cellphone. But at dawn yesterday the police bustled her off, and there's been no word from her since. Her cellphone doesn't answer. Asma Jahangir, a Pakistani lawyer who is head of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said she had learned that Ms. Mukhtaran was taken to Islamabad, furiously berated and told that President Pervez Musharraf was very angry with her. She was led sobbing to detention at a secret location. She is barred from contacting anyone, including her lawyer. "She's in their custody, in illegal custody," Ms. Jahangir said. "They have gone completely crazy." Even if Ms. Mukhtaran were released, airports have been alerted to bar her from leaving the country. According to Dawn, a Karachi newspaper, the government took this step, "fearing that she might malign Pakistan's image."

Excuse me, but Ms. Mukhtaran, a symbol of courage and altruism, is the best hope for Pakistan's image. The threat to Pakistan's image comes from President Musharraf for all this thuggish behavior. I've been sympathetic to Mr. Musharraf till now, despite his nuclear negligence, partly because he's cooperated in the war on terrorism and partly because he has done a good job nurturing Pakistan's economic growth, which in the long run is probably the best way to fight fundamentalism. So even when Mr. Musharraf denied me visas all this year, to block me from visiting Ms. Mukhtaran again and writing a follow-up column, I bit my tongue. But now President Musharraf has gone nuts. So, Mr. Bush, how about asking Mr. Musharraf to focus on finding Osama, instead of kidnapping rape victims who speak out? And invite Ms. Mukhtaran to the Oval Office - to show that Americans stand not only with generals who seize power, but also with ordinary people of extraordinary courage.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/14/2005 03:31 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Musharraf isn't the problem here. It's the ISI types that would be in total control if it weren't for Musharraf.
Posted by: gromky || 06/14/2005 5:55 Comments || Top||

#2  I agree with Kristof about 94%; Musharraft is way out of line on this one. This is behavior identical to that of Iran, Burma er, Myanmar, china, russia, etc. Not a single instance of due process, outside of Ms. Muktarans civil suit.

Although the part about "altruism" is complete horseshit, though. It don't enter in to it, my good man.

[Mrs. Conclusion: "Why did you say Burma?" - Mrs Premise: "I panicked!"]

And another thing: Just because Osama shows up on election eve, in bad make up, looking not at all well, does not mean he's not bleedin' demised. He's a stiff. He's a non-combatant. He has ceased-to-be. He's climbed down the curtain to join the lemming invisible. He's an ex-terrorist. He's stone cold dead. He wouldn't become a free mason now, if you got down on your lousy stinking knees and begged him . Why, He couldn't pinpoint a purr, if you ran 4000 volts through him. (although, I'd love to give it a try, just for old times sake). The man is deceased, And I'm quite sure he's most definitely dead.

Osambo: "No I'm Not!"
Posted by: an dalusian dog || 06/14/2005 6:59 Comments || Top||

#3  They just ran a story on this on NPR. I await the massive tidal-wave of condemnation from the usual academic/feminist/Hollywood establishment with breathless anticipation.
And to think that I heard about this on Rantburg simply ages and ages ago...Mainstream media, you are dead media walking.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 06/14/2005 18:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Ima start to think ADD is right again.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 19:11 Comments || Top||

#5  Disgusting - If India and Pakland trade nukes, I'm rooting for India, and I hope they clean this backward asshole culture from the earth
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 19:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Lol, Frank - candy-coating it won't help!

Islam, and at the heart of Islam, Shari'a.

As openly practised in PakiWakiLand, SaoodiLand, BlackHatLand, et al, and secretly practised everywhere else - until the stories are finally added up, anyway, it is simply the most vile barbaric ideology on the planet. That it has not been universally condemned is repugnant - but enlightening, for those who know it and still won't condemn it are its apologists and enablers and share a measure of responsibility for its acts, no matter how remote from the scene they may be or how seemingly innocent their intentions. Those who refuse to condemn it are dangerous to us all for, at a minimum, they obfuscate the truth and further delay the long overdue response to the threat this evil poses.

See it up close and personal and it is obvious there is no saving grace, no redeeming value, no defensible purpose for tolerating its existence. It is an ideology of self-replication - by any means possible, an ideology of destruction and pillaging, of subjugation and mind-killing, an ideology of deception, lies, and hate. It feeds off of our reluctance to reply in kind and counts upon our hesitance - while it has no such limits or qualms. It is a human pathogen.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 19:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Kudos com - well said.
Posted by: 3dc || 06/14/2005 23:00 Comments || Top||


GlobalTerrorAlert: video of terror training camp in Waziristan
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Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Aoun emerges as force in Lebanon politics as opposition falters
That's politics I guess
Michel Aoun, who returned from exile in France to split the anti-Syrian opposition by winning a stunning victory in parliamentary elections Sunday, emerged yesterday as an unexpected power broker in Lebanon. "This is a country that should be built on sound foundations, the first of which is combating corruption in the state. But this was what turned everyone against us," said Gen. Aoun, who battled Syrian forces in 1990 and later fled to exile. Switching sides, the general allied with pro-Syrian elements for the elections and took 21 of the 58 seats contested in the central and eastern regions, Interior Minister Hassan al-Sabei said.

The main anti-Syrian opposition alliance, led by Druze leader Walid Jumblatt and the son of assassinated former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, had 19 seats going into the third round of voting and needed an additional 46 for a majority in the 128-seat parliament. But Mr. Jumblatt's ticket picked up only 27 seats Sunday, giving it a total of 46, which was far short of a majority. The anti-Syrian bloc still has a chance to clinch a majority in the fourth and final round of voting this Sunday in the north, where the remaining 28 seats will be decided.

The Syrian withdrawal this spring allowed Gen. Aoun to return from exile, but he failed to join the main opposition coalition. Instead, he formed an improbable alliance with some pro-Syrian Christians while claiming that the move did not reflect a change in his stance on Syria. Aoun supporters were quick to note that the general refused to sign or accept the 1990 Taif Accord, which ended the civil war and was signed by all major Lebanese groups, including Mr. Jumblatt, the Lebanese Forces and others, which allowed Syria to remain as an occupier. Even if the Hariri-Jumblatt opposition does not need Gen. Aoun's Free Patriotic Movement for a parliamentary coalition, the former leader has positioned himself for a run at the presidency, should President Emile Lahoud resign or be forced from office.
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#1  deserving of popcorn
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 7:14 Comments || Top||

#2  As an observer from the cheap seats - it's tough to see what's going on, but I can't help but wonder if this isn't a good result. There really was no one person who had what it took to lead Lebanon to independence from Syria's influence.

Wally was too cozy with Syria. He's your typical liberal who uses the poor to stand on their backs, promising he will tell the world of their problems and they will go away. Then just talk,talk,talk,blah,blah,blah, identifying problems all day long, or working on the BIG SOLUTION, they'll let you know what it is right after lunch. But be assured...when they are done with it, you can count on this: no child will be hungry, no one sick and lemonaide will spring where the blue-bird sings....lalalala. Peace and kumbaya. In short, Wally was milk-toast.

Hariri was a bit too slick for me. Though we'll never know what the father could or could not have done. But he certainly had enough power and money to do something. He's son strikes me as an overpolished pretty boy - but regardless, I don't think he had the experience or power base to make things happen.

Aoun would quickly become a tyrant. But one thing he does add to the mix is that Syria won't get the cozy, let's wink and make a deal relation ship, for the people, that they would have gotten if the others had gotten a clear lead.

So in short (ha, ha, as if this was short)I think it's good there is no clear majority. I think they will be forced to appeal to the people. No chance of anyone getting to cozy with Syria now, and no one group that Syria can just assasinate or corrupt.

Maybe I'm over optimistically looking for a silver lining, but given the players, I think this was a better result than any other.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 8:03 Comments || Top||

#3  The sad thing is for all the talk of a Cedar Revolution and a new Lebanon, in the end it is still the same names bandied about that were there two decades ago, and the people still vote for the old names and the old slogans.

As long as the Jumblatt's and Hariri's and Phalangists and Hezbollah are around, there doesn't seem much chance of Lebanon going anywhere.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/14/2005 9:18 Comments || Top||

#4  are we all on the same planet? Jumblatt's dad (IIRC) was killed by the Syrians, hes been anti-Syrian for years. Aoun, OTOH, just DID do the wink and deal thing with the pro-Syrian groups. You cant keep looking at this through the prism of 1984.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:02 Comments || Top||

#5  pehaps you missed my point.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 14:03 Comments || Top||

#6  ya, ya, better no clear winner. ]

Which is wrong. Even if the opposition had won, no individual opposition leader could have dominated the others. Jumblatt, Hariri, and Geaga (whom you overlooked) would balance each other. The only purpose of Aoun here was to advance himself BY keeping the Syrians in the game.

Oh, and you did some kind of silly comparison of Jumblatt to American liberals. Which has little to do with the realities of the Druze in Lebanese politics. But its always best to see things throught the lens of American politics, isnt it?

Sorry to be as harsh sounding as this, but Lebanese politics is VERY complex, and has very deep roots, and using it to make a cheap (and off topic) point about American liberalism is sad.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:07 Comments || Top||

#7  granted I made a cheap point about American liberalism. But I'm not necessarily wrong because of it.

Using an American lens to make a comparison, with which I think you will agree, we here at home benefit from the argument between those who argue for more control by the state and those who argue we need less of it. It's been an ongoing argument since our founding fathers.

There is no clear leader in Lebanon right now who could take them where they want to go. They are better off continuing the argument until someone rises from the ashes who can lead. Jumblatt, much as I'm sure you like him, is not the man who could make it happen. It's clear he doesn't have what it takes to move them forward. The voting results prove my point. Nor did anyone else.

Saying it's too complicated is a smoke screen. Of course it's complicated. Just like it is in Iraq. Finding a balance between competing interests is often the best way to move forward. The result that they achieved will force that to occur.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 14:19 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks & Islam
one quarter of foreign jihadis are sub-Saharan Africans
The Counter Terrorism Blog:

Some Overdue Attention to a Serious Problem

Well, someone is finally paying some attention to an extremely important story. The New York Times today has a nice piece on the growing number of sub-Saharan Africans now turning up as jihadis in Iraq. What is truely alarming is that about one quarter of the 400 foreign fighters captured are from that region. While the pipeline has been known to be open for the past couple of years, drawing militants from Nigeria, Niger, Mali and Mauritania, the intelligence community often dismissed or downplayed the information in my discussions with them. The belief was that EUCOM, the military command responsible for Africa, was hyping its reporting in order to have a terrorist threat in its theater of operations, thereby justifying increased military spending.

That sort of small minded thinking kept more attention from being focused on what is now being recognized as not only a problem but a potentially-grave threat in Iraq as well as West Africa. It is also the same small-minded thinking that led the FBI to dismiss out of hand public statements by Gen. Charles Wald, EUCOM's deputy commander, supporting my findings and more on al Qaeda's presence in West Africa and its use of diamonds. For the rest of the blog, go here.
Posted by: 3dc || 06/14/2005 02:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Dollars to donuts these 'subsaharan Africans' are Arabs or ethnically related groups like Tuaregs.
Posted by: phil_b || 06/14/2005 4:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Sub-Saharan? They should be easy to spot in a crowd of Iraqis, then.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 10:20 Comments || Top||

#3  ...ethnically related groups like Tuaregs.

They're driving Volkswagens?

/rimshot
Posted by: Raj || 06/14/2005 11:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Phil_b, remember that there were anti-US marches in Nigeria after 911. There are plenty of non-Arab Muhammadans.
Posted by: James || 06/14/2005 11:29 Comments || Top||

#5  "Sub-Saharan? They should be easy to spot in a crowd of Iraqis, then"

Im not sure what to say. last time we had this discussion it was east africans in Pakistan. I went on and on about migration patterns, diversity in the Islamic world etc. Turned out the guy was just well hidden, and had folks delivering food for him. Damn, I looked pretty foolish, didnt I?

Well I'll repeat. There WERE migrations around and across the arab world through history. Including the movement of slaves, who were later released. I point again to Jericho, a Palestinian town where most the (Sunni Muslim, arab, Palestinian) inhabitants are black, which I assume must be related to a local concentration of of African slaves.

Iraq is a lot closer to Africa than Pakistan, and was once the wealthy center of the Islamic world, and must have had huge numbers of slaves. And other migrants.

Anyone here whos actually BEEN to Iraq? Ex-GI maybe, or an Iraqi?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 11:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Sub-Saharan is kind of a sloppy term. The area of the Sehal (I probably misspelled that) is "sub-Sahara," but includes quite a few non-blacks (lots of Arabs, some Berbers and similar). It's majority black, but not to the extent of the more southern states.

Northern Nigeria (where the sharia states are), and a swath of Mauritania, Mali, Niger, Chad, Sudan (remember them?) are all Sahel. I can more easily believe those people are ones referred to here.

But I've never actually been to Africa, so it really could be islamified blacks.
Posted by: Jackal || 06/14/2005 12:18 Comments || Top||

#7  Assumptions, liberalhawk. I just meant that the bone struckture and body type of the sub-saharans is likely to be visibly different than that of the Iraqis. To the accustomed eye, these things jump out, like the difference between Japanese, Korean and, say, Vietnamese.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 15:20 Comments || Top||

#8  japan of course lived in an incredible degree of isolation for over a thousand years - and probably long before that. To a lesser extent Korea and Viet Nam. Im just thinking that Mesopotamia, for long the seat of empires, importer of slaves, drawer of migrants was more of a melting pot. I could be wrong.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:27 Comments || Top||

#9  lib: one of the Iraqi bloggers mentioned that some Basrans can and do get confused for black Africans, and Somali expat workers confused for Basrans. As I understand it, the southern Shia areas have a lot of genes left over from the centuries when the Arabs imported east African slaves to work the sugarcane.

The blogger noted that the gentlemen in question were doing construction work in his Baghdad neighborhood, but everybody was suspicious that they were al Queda jihadis or something. So the locals do make that assumption, although they were wrong in this case. This was in 2003, I seem to remember...
Posted by: Mitch H. || 06/14/2005 16:11 Comments || Top||

#10  wow. Iraqi bloggers actually giving facts about Iraq, instead of our speculations.

Yeah for Iraqi bloggers.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 16:14 Comments || Top||

#11  Arab is as much a cultural affiliation and language group as a racial category. My point was that the article is claiming this is new development, whereas I am saying this just more of the same, i.e. Arab Jihadis going to Iraq. If a dark skinned 'african looking' Arab could pass unremarked in Iraq, then this substantiates my argument.
Posted by: phil_b || 06/14/2005 18:36 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Sindh Governor collected thousands from British Welfare
Pakistan last year was in a 4-way tie for the coveted 132nd position on the Transparency International corruption list. Tied with Cameroun, Iraq, and Kenya, Pakistan is assessed as more corrupt than Niger, Sudan, or Bolivia, but not quite as corrupt as Angola, Democratic Republic of Congo, and Ivory Coast.
Sindh Governor Ishratul Ibad collected 1,000 pounds a month in income support, plus other benefits, from Britain's social security system for 10 months, after he was named to his lucrative post, the Sunday Telegraph newspaper reported. The weekly paper said Ibad, a doctor by training, "lives in a mansion in the state capital while being waited upon by servants and chauffeured in Mercedes limousines". Back in London, however, Ibad continued to receive 1,000 pounds a month in income support, from the time he was appointed governor in December 2002 until October the following year, the newspaper said. In addition, it said, he received taxpayers' money to cover the 1,057 pounds monthly rent on his semi-detached home in northwest London. His wife, meanwhile, got benefits for having been diagnosed with a stress disorder, enabling Ibad to claim payments as her care-giver, it said.

Khan had come to Britain in 1992 as an asylum seeker, The Sunday Telegraph said. Seven years later he was awarded refugee status, enabling him to tap into a range of social security benefits. He returned to Pakistan, however, to be appointed governor of Sindh in December 2002 by President Pervez Musharraf, who had assumed the office of head of state the year before after taking power in 1999 in a bloodless coup. Confronted by The Sunday Telegraph, Khan - a one-time Pakistani housing minister - said he had repaid "a few hundred pounds" and that he was keen for any outstanding money to be reimbursed. Andrew Dinson, a member of parliament for Prime Minister Tony Blair's Labour Party, whose Hendon constituency includes the Khan's house in London, called for an immediate inquiry. "I would be very surprised if the rules allowed this," he was quoted as saying.
Posted by: Omoluger Ebbatle8086 || 06/14/2005 02:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So.....what's this again about Mr. Blair wanting the U.S. to contribute more toward aid for Africa?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 10:40 Comments || Top||

#2  If he has a house in london, I don't see a problem. Call the REPO man.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 11:41 Comments || Top||


Maoists have infiltrated Bhutanese refugee camps in Nepal
The story here is that ethnic Nepalese who live in South Bhutan have been kicked out by the government because they are not indigenous Bhutanese, and they mostly live in refugee camps where they have become increasingly radicalised. But instead of HAMAS, they have been good recruiting ground for Maoists.
The (foreign) minister added that now, while Bhutan remained committed to resolving the problem through the bilateral process, the security situation in Nepal had deteriorated, particularly near the camps. The infiltration of the camps by the Maoists and other related developments were of utmost concern to Bhutan, he said. "The Maoists in Nepal are not satisfied by just carrying out their activities on Nepalese soil," he said. "They are intent on spreading their 'revolution' to other parts of the region. Even Ms. Christina Rocca, US Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia, during her visit to Nepal in May, 2005, has called the Maoist a security threat to the whole region. She said the Maoists had made clear their intention to impose a 'one-party people's republic' and to export their revolution to neighbouring states. We feel that such a regime would almost certainly threaten stability in the region."

Lyonpo Khandu Wangchuk pointed out that the Maoists had infiltrated the camps in Nepal which had become breeding grounds for various radical political parties and terrorists groups. Some of the main radical parties were the Bhutan Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist, Maoist), the Bhutan Gorkha Liberation Front, and Bhutan Revolutionary Students Union. He pointed out to the Assembly members that allowing the highly politicised camp people into Bhutan would mean importing ready-made radical political parties and terrorists to duplicate the violence, terror, and instability the Maoists had unleashed in Nepal. "Because of our small size, Bhutan is not in a position to absorb even a fraction of the violence and lawlessness that pervades Nepal," he said. "In the last eight to nine years, over 11,000 people have been killed in Nepal."
Posted by: Omoluger Ebbatle8086 || 06/14/2005 01:54 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The above post was by me.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/14/2005 9:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Lyonpo Khandu Wangchuk

Ain't he one of our trolls?
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 06/14/2005 10:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Everybody Wangchuck tonight!
Posted by: Raj || 06/14/2005 10:47 Comments || Top||

#4  ...So fight, fight, fight for Washington State!
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 10:48 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL JIB!
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 13:36 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks & Islam
Linkages between Jihadis of Singapore & India
According to the Delhi Police, Haroon Rashid, an Indian mechanical engineer, who is alleged to be a member of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), was arrested by them at the Delhi airport on May 16, 2005, on his arrival from Singapore where he had reportedly gone to do a training course. In a press briefing on his arrest, the Delhi Police claimed that he had links to an LET plot for a terrorist strike against the Kanpur-based plant of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The police gave the following details relating to him:

· Haroon Rashid (24) alias Farooq, is a mechanical engineer, who used to work with the HAL for over two years.

· He was a member of an LeT module, which had planned to attack the Indian Military Academy at Dehra Dun, but the plot was thwarted with the Arrest of two terrorists and the killing of three others during an encounter in a South-West Delhi area on March 5, 2005.

· He hails from Siwan in Bihar . He is believed to have returned to India to re-organise the LeT module that was neutralised after the March encounter.

· Rashid had resigned from HAL, Kanpur , in December 2004, to join a Singapore-based company and went to Singapore to do a 22-week preparatory course for graduate mechanical engineers in the Singapore Maritime Academy .

· During his stay in Singapore, he had allegedly passed on instructions and money from one Abdul Aziz, described by the Police as a Pakistan-based top LeT operative and head of the module, to its members in Delhi .

· He had been given 14,000 Singapore dollars (about Rs 3.6 lakh) of which he had already passed on 4,000 dollars to Shams (one of the killed militants) and the others in India.

· According to the Police, he revealed on interrogation that Shams had visited the HAL campus in Kanpur and stayed with him there to study the security details and plan a 'fidayeen' (suicide) attack. Later, the module had apparently decided to attack the IMA first. Rashid, who had graduated in Engineering from the Aligarh Muslim University (AMU), had come in contact with Shams and another key member of the module, Doctor alias Amir in the university hostel in 2001.

This is the third piece of evidence coming to notice since 2002 relating to possible linkages between jihadi terrorists operating in India, Pakistan and the countries of South-East Asia. According to a White Paper issued by the Singapore authorities on Jan 7, 2003, on the Jemaah Islamiya (JI), a terrorist organization of South-East Asia, seven of the 31 suspected members of the JI arrested by them in December 2001, and September, 2002, were of Indian origin. Singapore, like Malaysia, has a large number of persons of Indian origin, who had migrated there from South India, mainly Tamil Nadu. The fact that some of these migrants had joined the JI indicated that the JI was apparently targeting this migrant community in its recruitment drive for volunteers to carry out terrorist activities against possible American and other targets in Singapore and other countries of the region
The second piece of evidence came in 2003, when the Singapore authorities were reported to have arrested two Singapore nationals who, according to them, had undergone training in a LeT camp in Pakistan . This gave the first clear indication of a link between the JI and the Pakistan-based LET. "The Hindu", the daily newspaper of Chennai, quoted the then Singapore Deputy Prime Minister, Lee Hsien Loong, as saying: "They were involved with the Lashkar-e-Toiba, the Kashmiri group
"

The arrest of Rashid and the details regarding him as given by the Delhi Police provide corroboratory evidence of the apparent use of the Singapore territory by the LET for maintaining contacts with its cells in India and for passing on money and instructions to them from Pakistan. The details given by the Police so far do not indicate whether Rashid had any contacts with the JI during his stay in Singapore. It is also not clear whether he went to Singapore to do a training course on his own or on the instructions of the LET. If he had gone on the instructions of the LET headquarters in Pakistan, what was the purpose of the LET in instructing him to join the course? These are aspects, which need further investigation by the Indian Police authorities in collaboration with their counterparts in Singapore.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/14/2005 01:48 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


Down Under
Kyoto forests row erupts (in New Zealand)
More unintended consequences from Kyoto. Carbon credits are intended to promote replanting of forests. However, they are resulting in forests being cut down at an unprecedented rate in New Zealand and in all likelyhood in many other places as Kyoto mandates the same regime in all signatories.
Convenor of the Ministerial Group on Climate Change, Pete Hodgson, lashed out today at forest industry claims made over the past few days that government policies were leading to the destruction of forests needed to mitigate the cost of Kyoto compliance.

The original claims, made last week, came from Forest Owners Association (FOA) president Peter Berg, who said government policies were leading to the rapid conversion of forests to dairy and other purposes.

Mr Berg said the average new rate of new forest planting for the last 30 years has been 44,900 hectares a year. In 2002, it dropped to 22,000 ha and last year to 10,600 ha, with forward orders placed at tree nurseries indicating a further decline this year.

Meanwhile, the gap between the area harvested and area replanted has grown, with increasing areas of harvested forest being converted to dairying and other livestock.

If this trend continues, Mr Berg said, "New Zealand won't have the 33 million tonnes of surplus carbon dioxide credits the government hopes to trade on international markets."

Then, today, Mr Berg said that government policy was triggering deforestation because of "the liability forest owners potentially face if, after harvest, they don't replant forests originally planted before 1990. This could be paying up to $25,000 a hectare."
Posted by: phil_b || 06/14/2005 01:17 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Maybe they should plant rubber trees and everything will bounce back into place!
Posted by: Shomble Shoger7533 || 06/14/2005 2:12 Comments || Top||

#2  "33 million tonnes of surplus carbon dioxide credits"

This gives me the same gobsmacked feeling I got when I first read there was going to be trading in stock index futures.

There is no there, there.

Hey, might as well bet on the rise & fall of the odds of catching farts and painting them green.

Hmmm. Come to think of it, that's exactly what they're doing.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 2:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Plant trees in Israel and in the U.S. Or organize something on your own -- when we lived in Germany, the local American Women's Club spent a lovely Saturday planting trees on a nearby capped-off garbage dump. Why the New Zealanders are waiting for their government to take care of things is beyond me.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 5:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Sorry. The Israel link is www.jnf.org. In my enthusiasm I managed to miss the single quotes that add the Rantburg address to it.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 5:02 Comments || Top||

#5  ...Can you say, "the law of unintended consquences'? I knew you could.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/14/2005 7:25 Comments || Top||

#6  Why the New Zealanders are waiting for their government to take care of things is beyond me.
Because, sadly, that's what you do in a socialized state.
Posted by: Steve || 06/14/2005 8:20 Comments || Top||

#7  they cut most of their trees down along time ago and are only now getting patches of them replanted, its still pretty patchy though, not at all like the western USA
Posted by: bk || 06/14/2005 9:57 Comments || Top||

#8  so Haiti's wayyyyyy ahead in the deforestation game
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 10:20 Comments || Top||

#9  New Zealand has gotten their Govt more f*cked up in a given time than any other nation on earth. That's multilateralism for ya, they rush to approve the Kyoto so much nobody even read the thing from front to back.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/14/2005 11:47 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Malaysia: Maritime Enforcement Agency Starts Operations In November
KUALA LUMPUR, June 13 (Bernama) -- The Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency will begin operations in November with 20 ships and patrol boats. An agency source said Monday the vessels were part of the 72 ships and boats that would be taken over by the agency in stages from the various existing maritime agencies.

Of the 20 ships and boats that would be taken over next month, nine belonged to the Royal Malaysia Police, six Royal Malaysia Navy and five Royal Malaysia Customs. In total, the police would supply 15 ships and boats, navy 19, Fisheries Department 12, Marine Department 21 and customs five.

Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak was reported to have said in mid-May that for a start, the government had approved 4,035 posts to meet the operational needs in five regions which would cover 17 districts and nine bases.

On the purchase of 25 new patrol boats to beef up the agency, it is understood that the tender had been issued.

The agency, headed by a director-general appointed by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, will be responsible in ensuring the security of the country's maritime zones and protect the maritime interests of Malaysia and other countries. The agency, under the purview of the Prime Minister's Department, would report directly to Najib, who is also Defence Minister. It will be responsible in enforcing federal laws in the country's maritime zones and airspace... ensure peace in Malaysia's territorial waters, involve in search and rescue operations and combat piracy.
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#1  November? And it's mid June? WFF? Shipping need security now. Oh, I see. Gotta go through the bid process. Sorry, my bad.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/14/2005 1:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Malaysia and Indonesia had a standoff in January this year over an island on the maritime border both claimed. Indon launched possibly the world's first act of internet warfare by hacking Malaysian government websites, posting the Indon flag with messages of pride and nationalism.

Bristling with Asian pride and anger these countries are.
Posted by: anon1 || 06/14/2005 9:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Indon launched possibly the world's first act of internet warfare

Not even close to the first. The Red Lion virus was launched in 2003 by Chinese hackers with government approval and support and there were others before, and since.
Posted by: too true || 06/14/2005 10:29 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
15 die in Kashmir blast, 100 injured
A bomb hidden in a pickup truck exploded in a bustling town in Indian Held Kashmir on Monday, killing 15 people, including the suspected attacker and a 14-year-old boy, and injuring at least 100 others, police said. The blast uprooted trees, shattered two cars and damaged a dozen shops, a school and a post office near a security forces' camp in the town of Pulwama, Deputy Inspector General of Police Owes Ahmad said. At least eight injured people were in critical condition, Ahmad said. Eleven civilians, three paramilitary soldiers and the suspected attacker were killed. No one immediately claimed responsibility for the attack.

Nearly 40 kilograms (88 pounds) of highly explosive RDX was hidden in the pickup truck, which had been carrying bricks and sand for construction of a perimeter wall around the area, about 50 kilometres south of Srinagar, Deputy Superintendent of Police Imtiyaz Ahmad told The Associated Press. "The attacker was riding the truck carrying the bomb and building material. The bomb detonated 500 metres short of the main buildings," Ahmad said.

An AK-47 rifle was recovered near the charred body of the unidentified attacker found in the truck, he said. Shortly after the explosion, angry residents came out into the streets protesting delays by officials in rescuing the wounded. Police fired tear gas and warning shots in the air to control the protesters.
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Sheikh Rashid trained Kashmiri fighters: Yasin
When the armed struggle in held Kashmir was at its zenith, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed set up a camp where around 3,500 Jihadis were trained in guerrilla warfare, revealed Yasin Malik, the Jammu & Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) chairman, at an exhibition of 1.5 million signatures by Kashmiris demanding their involvement in the dialogue process. "Sheikh Rashid has played a great role for Kashmir's liberation. He used to support the frontline Jihadis, but very few people know about his contributions," the JKLF chief informed the audience. The JKLF leader praised Rashid for his contribution to the armed struggle, but the minister refused to comment when journalists approached him.
This article starring:
Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed
YASIN MALIKJammu
Jammu
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  but the minister refused to comment when journalists approached him

I bet he did.

It doesn't make much sense that the Information Minister would have the kind of power to set up and run a training camp, but maybe he was the front for the people who did.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/14/2005 2:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Malik may be referring to some other Sheikh: Rashid

In a deft attempt to divert adverse attention following comments by JKLF leader Yasin Malik that he organised camps to train militants to fight in Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan's Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed today said the separatist leader may have been referring to some other "Sheikh" and not him.

"I do not know which Sheikh he is referring to. There are so many Sheikhs in Rawalpindi," Rashid told PTI here in response to Malik's remarks made during the inauguration of a photo exhibition organised here by the JKLF leader yesterday to mobilise signatures to involve Kashmiris in Indo-Pak talks.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/14/2005 8:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Ahah! The old "wudn't me" defense...
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 9:40 Comments || Top||


Punjab Assembly demands action against Holy Quran desecration

Heh heh. I laugh my ass off every time I see that.
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sweet. That there guy is Action Jackson.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 06/14/2005 1:22 Comments || Top||

#2  D'ja use enuff petrol there, Butch?
Posted by: Spot || 06/14/2005 9:04 Comments || Top||

#3  And no more talk about white risins, either!
Posted by: gromgorru || 06/14/2005 11:11 Comments || Top||

#4  I was idly wondering today what the reaction would be if we burned the black flag of Islam in front of the soddy embassy. You know, the flag in all the beheading videos.

On second thought, I guess I don't wonder.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 15:59 Comments || Top||

#5  If they all want to set themselves on fire to protest Koran abuse, that'd be fine with me...
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 16:08 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Bush pledges more Africa aid
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  im say let all hoo ever had coloknees their foot em bill.
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/14/2005 0:41 Comments || Top||

#2  President Bush can say all he wants, but Congress appropriates the money. Of course, they will control the purse strings if they are not invertibrate.

More aid to Africa without some changes in the way they do business with go the same way as African loans---right down a rat hole. Good money after bad.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/14/2005 1:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Aid should be tied economic and political reform. In every case that the International community has let the Africans be Africans it resulted in poverty and starvation. Yes send aid but also send reform otherwise it is just a waste of money.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 06/14/2005 8:51 Comments || Top||

#4  the debt forgiveness package IS tied to reforms, both economic and institutional. On the model of Pres. Bush's Millenium Challenge. I presume this aid is as well.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 9:38 Comments || Top||

#5  correct, LH. Expiration of Bob Mugabe and his fellow thugs would be a good start
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 9:40 Comments || Top||

#6  "On the part of the United States, it's often the bureaucracy and the fine print sometimes putting conditions which makes it impossible or very difficult for us to access what is otherwise available to us," Mogae said.

Like "Don't steal all of it?"
Yeah, I'm optimistic. Where's the pic of the toilet?
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 9:55 Comments || Top||

#7  Unless/Until we can colonize and annex it, all the money in the world won't fix Africa. Let 'em starve until they're ready to do things our way.
Posted by: BH || 06/14/2005 10:22 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
UN will not end Iran nuke probe: ElBaradei
Oh? Did we get in the high bid on him?
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I just want Elbaradei and the entire IAEA Traveling Circus to be in Tel Aviv (the Israelis can invite them for "talks" about their nukes and a pretense of inspecting facilities) when the Mad Mullah's nuke pkg comes online*.

Then keep them all there - by force. Invite Coffee and his UN Politburo to come and negotiate their release. Hold them, too. Then offer to negotiate everyone's release with all the Arab "Leaders"... in Tel Aviv, of course. Make sure the Head of The Int'l Red Cross Thingy comes by, personally, to check on the well-being of the hostages and, well, you get my drift.

There are certain advantages to being an outlaw.

* In the extremely unlikely event we don't take them out first, of course.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 0:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Just a little pressure on Tehran to up their bid.
Posted by: Pappy || 06/14/2005 0:38 Comments || Top||

#3  While the IAEA investigation continues, it has the side effect of signalling that any US action against Iran would be premature.

As with Saddam.
Posted by: too true || 06/14/2005 6:08 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
US lawmakers seek pullout deadline
A Republican congressman has called for a deadline to pull out US troops from Iraq, while other members of President George Bush's party have urged his administration to revamp Iraq policy. Republican Walter Jones, a North Carolina conservative, said on ABC's This Week on Sunday that he would offer legislation this week setting a timetable for the US withdrawal from Iraq. "I voted for the resolution to commit the troops, and I feel that we've done about as much as we can do," said Jones, who coined the phrase "freedom fries" to lash out at the French for opposing the Iraq invasion.
I was talking to somebody at work today about what kind of course the WoT was going to take. Our general concensus was pretty pessimistic. I think the national attention span's been overwhelmed by Ben and Jen, Britney's bosom, Michael Jackson, and a host of other frivolities du jour. Time's passed and the national revulsion at 9-11 was receded, such dead as were found long buried. Politix as usual has set in, first with the Dems adopting their now traditional antiwar stance, now with weak-kneed Publicans getting ready to move on to more pleasant subjects, like fund-raisers. There hasn't been another atrocity on U.S. soil, and not that many — save a few beheadings — effecting Americans. The pols are talking about shutting Guantanamo down because it offends people. Islam's still the Religion of Peace™, despite all evidence to the contrary. We're more worried about Koran abuse than murder most foul.

I'd guess that despite Howard Dean's best efforts, the Publicans are going to lose the next presidential election as the nation slips back into the comfortable 9-10 mode where occasional terrorism is, as John Kerry put it, an occasional irritant. So an embassy gets blown up now and then. Nobody's targeting Des Moines. We'll go through four years of Mrs. Clinton or whomever else the Dems throw up. Meanwhile, the Soddies will continue pouring money into their terror machine and the Paks will continue supplying muscle. At some point the forces of Evil will get their nuclear weapon, probably courtesy of Pak back channels or from Iran, and they'll use it as soon as they get it. Washington will be no more, possibly me with it. Then we'll have another four years of war, until the bodies are cold and long since buried and whoever's filling Britney's and Michael Jackson's and Paris Hilton's shoes ten or fifteen years from now overcomes what will and determination we possess as a nation.

For the first time since 9-11, I'm feeling pessimistic. I don't want my children and grandchildren to wear turbans. I don't want their wives to be breeding stock. In something of a mirror of Howard Dean, I'm coming to hate the Democrats and the Republican pols who're looking at polls and not at the national interest. Those, like that dipshit troll we had yesterday, who're so caught up in their Blame Bush syndrome that they can't see the danger from international Islamism disgust me. I try to keep Rantburg open to a range of opinions, but I just wish they wouldn't post here. I wish they'd go away, slither back under their rocks, never to be seen again.

I don't want to see us lose this war, but I'm coming to the conclusion that we will. Worse, I'm coming to the conclusion that we deserve to lose it.
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [27 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's up to Dubya, Fred.
Posted by: badanov || 06/14/2005 0:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Fred.
Its because George has been too goody two shoes esp. with regards to his friends the Saudis.

Look at this quote from Michael Ledeen, writing in the National Review:


more time has passed since 9/11 than transpired between Pearl Harbor and the surrender of the Japanese empire, and our most lethal enemies are still in power and still killing our people and our friends.

It is good that the desire for freedom is now manifest among the oppressed peoples of the Middle East and Central Asia, and it is very good that dramatic strides toward self-government have been taken by the Georgians, Kyrgistanis, Ukrainians, Iraqis, and Lebanese. But it is not good enough. Indeed, it is shameful that we have yet to seriously challenge the legitimacy of the terror masters in Tehran and Damascus, who represent the keystone of the terrorist edifice.

Our enemies know this, because, to their delight and perhaps their surprise as well, they are still in power throughout the Middle East. Until and unless they are removed, the terror war will continue, our friends in the region will be killed, tortured, and incarcerated, and the president’s vision of regional democratic revolution will go down the memory hole.

Posted by: 3dc || 06/14/2005 0:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Well then Bush and the Pubs in congress better grow a couple of balls and start acting like they won the election last November.

Thye can start by telling the Dems in congress: "F-U! We are the majority and we'll nuke judicial nomination filibustering. Quit ya bitching and start governing this country asswipes."

The tell CAIR, the ACLU, and the U.N. "F-U! If we flush, piss on, mishandle the koran too farking bad - grow up and get a real God who can defend his own holy book. We are not going to apologize to asshats who deliberately target and murder innocent civilians. We are going to start enforcing the Geneva Convention to-the-letter and start shooting illegal combatants in the field like they deserve."

Then tell the Media, "F-U! We are not going to apologize to you. We are not even going to talk to you unless you start telling the *whole* *truth* and quit working with the enemy."

Then tell Mexico, "F-U! Clean up your act and keep your people on your side of the border. We are going to start patroling the border and shipping illegal aliens back to Mexico City and leave them there.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/14/2005 0:35 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't want to see us lose this war, but I'm coming to the conclusion that we will

I'd say slightly more than half of the US population, and a sizable number of their international supporters, would disagree. You'd have to make us disappear first. Things have changed after 9-11. Dhimmitude? NFW! over my dead body
Posted by: Rafael || 06/14/2005 0:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Posted by CrazyFool 2005-06-14 00:35|| Front Page|| Comment Top

yoo tryinta instegait em nuther verchual march?
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/14/2005 0:52 Comments || Top||

#6  A new scene is about to appear that will make everyone feel better.

The Iraqi people are now about to put Saddam on trial.

Let me repeat that.

The Iraqi people are now about to put Saddam on trial.

The press will HAVE to cover this and the 12-14 counts are trully horrendous.

America will look like Marshal Dillon, this will get your moral back up guys. It will also put a seriously bad light on on-going terrorism.

AND the Iranian women are acting up becuase they see thier sisters in Afghanistan on one side and their sister in Iraq on the other side with freedoms. They are now being very vocal about wanting those same feedoms in major demonstrations this weekend.

CHIN UP GUYS!
Posted by: RG || 06/14/2005 0:52 Comments || Top||

#7  muck - that wasn't my virtual march (oh yeah... that will show-em! Only a LLL could think of that!).

RG, I hope so. But I am afraid the media will focus on such stupid things as 'How Saddam looks' and 'Oh, he scratched his left buttcheek! He must have been tortured!' and anything else *but* the charges and evidence.

Thank God for blogs (Thanks Fred!) and the Internet.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/14/2005 1:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Darkest before the dawn? RG is right, CHIN UP! We know this is a 2 front war. I say it's high time to switch focus to the home front and clean house of the scum that honestly do want to see us lose. I have felt for a long time that there is a sick faction of the left wing that sees our defeat as their quickest, surest way back to power. They would actually serve gladly, knowingly, the very masters that would slit their throats. It wouldn't matter at all - as long as they were in power for a that brief moment.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 06/14/2005 1:12 Comments || Top||

#9  The term "Freedom Fries" shows how deep this farkwitt is. One reason I am not registered as a Republican is Guys like this. No going back and no tossing in the towel. Perhaps he should move to France.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 06/14/2005 1:27 Comments || Top||

#10  This is a fight that we cannot walk away from. This is a fight to the death. I understand Fred's pessimism---I feel the darkeness around me, too. I think that it will get worse before it gets better. This whole madness is building up to something---a great shock. Nuke perhaps? Maybe. Something big to shake up the whole world. Europe cannot keep going the way it's going without disintegrating. The US is strong, but it is divided. The ChiComs are planning for the long term. We need leadership and common purpose.

Here we are as a nation, being wacked around by the LLL over a bent Koran and a prison full of madmen and murderers that should have been blown to bits by B-52s in Konduz. How far we have fallen.

Yes, I believe that it is going to take a great shock to bring this country out of its malaise. This is a fight to the death for the soul of this great nation. A lot of people know this already. A lot more need to know.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/14/2005 1:30 Comments || Top||

#11  Howard Johnson Badanov is right! GWB seems to be MIA right now. But Fred is also correct - its up to us to hold our politicians' feet to the fire or we deserve what we get. All that I can hope is that we're in a lull similar to the one before the Iraq invasion, where we were all driven to near madness by the endless months of UN crap. Bush has made it clear that an Iranian nuke is unacceptable and so far he's kept his word on other stuff. But if we get to '08 and nothing has been done, I think we're really screwed.
Posted by: PBMcL || 06/14/2005 1:42 Comments || Top||

#12  C'mon Fred, Robert Spencer re-ups his "I told you so" post, everytime the let's-democraticize-the-Islamofascists mentality is released from the spin-bag. Read my lips: one cannot be a slave-of-Allah and a circumspect elector. One cannot promote US safety, by subsidizing competing Sunni-Shiite Islamofascisms in the Iraq territorial-demographic dog's breakfast.
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=393129

It is a fact that Bush pronounced "Islam is peace," after Oval Office consultation with AMC, ISNA, and other US jihadi fronts that still receive State Department consultation fees. Imagine the problem of conducting WW2, if FDR pronounced "Fascism is peace," 6 days after Pearl Harbor. Read some of Ralph Barton Perry's famous WW2 letters to the New York Times, in defense of the war, for a dose of the noble realism that is lacking in our spin-dystopia.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

I suspect that GWB's worst apologists never made the trip to the top of the WTC, as I did in 1990. If they had, then they would want bloody pacification. That will happen because it has to happen. Cut the head off the snake, and the body dies. Nuke Mecca!
Posted by: War on Islam || 06/14/2005 2:56 Comments || Top||

#13  just thinking;

Didn't our fearless pols scramble for their lives just the other day when a flying instructor got *lost* over Washington DC and buzzed the capitol.

[what an inspiring lot of dismal asshats they are...jezbus]

Confronted with non stop drivel from foggy bottom, Congress and the MSM I think a sane person should feel a little low now and again.

But Inspite of the slime, jellyfish & 5 columinsts, in some ways we are in a better position now to have some effect on our fate than we were not very long ago, when the professinal critters had total control of the public square [w/the exception of a few books].

I guess that begs..will it be enough?

Rantberg and the Regulars have really helped me crytalize my thinking about the present and future danger our country and faces.

It doesn't by any means take all the people to stop the slide into Dhimmitude, it just takes Americans with grit. (and help from our 'ferigner' friends also)

Speaking of real grit and inspiration, if you haven't read, A Narrative of a Revolutionary Soldier by: Joseph Plumb Martin, it's a real treat.


Posted by: Red Dog || 06/14/2005 4:08 Comments || Top||

#14  The press will HAVE to cover this and the 12-14 counts are trully horrendous.

Sure they have to cover it.

But they don't have to cover it fairly, accurately, or in any way resembling the truth. We're talking about the greatest enemy the US has ever had -- the modern press.

Every charge against Saddam will be accompanied by a "Why the US Didn't Stop Him" editorial, or a "More Abuse at Gitmo: Detainees Given Cheap Toilet Paper" story. Then they'll find a Democrat working at State who's willing to feed them anonymous tips about how the Iraqis are blowing it, how the whole trial's a farce and the whole country will collapse if he's convicted, blah, blah, blah.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 7:31 Comments || Top||

#15  I agree with Fred. A little less than half the country is still stuck in 1968. These people (including Swillary) never grew up. Now they are in power. The harder they push, the more crazies they bring out, and I'm not all that far from being one myself. I find that I no longer even care to discuss the issues with the LLL, because we live in different universes. We no longer share a common language as words do not mean the same thing to me as they do to them.
Posted by: SR-71 || 06/14/2005 7:54 Comments || Top||

#16  Walter Jones isn't a North Carolina conservative - he is a North Carolina "moderate". His ADA liberal quotient (LQ) is 30 - the average North Carolinian Republican Congressman has an LQ of 5. (Heck, there are North Carolinian *Democrats* with lower LQ's than Jones's). McCain's LQ, for example, is 35. Zell Miller's was 5. The media calls Jones a conservative for one of two reasons, (1) compared to reporters, Jones is probably a conservative or (2) as usual, they are deliberately being deceitful, in order to foster an image of conservatives in retreat.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 8:17 Comments || Top||

#17  Hmm...with the confidence in the newspapers and televsion down to 28%, you really think they're molding American opinion? Still stuck in 1968? Only they are. Yet with all the negative press on GWB he still beat Kerry. Now you're buying into their constructed myths. You actually buy their polls. I have a bridge in San Francisco I'd like to sale you. Just sit there an whine. Pity yourself. You give them so much power.

There's something out there no one, and unfortuately that includes the old tire hacks of the Republican machine, is paying attention to. When those same confidence polls rate the military, they come out at the top, in the 70 percentiles. Guess who's coming home now? Bright, motivated young men and women who while tired in the labors in Iraq have seen the 'good news'. Who burn inside because they don't want the sacrifices of their brothers to be wasted. Who know and chaff at the lies of the MSM. These gentleman, like our fathers returning from WWII, are a new generation to take their skills and dedication and place it in the political arena. Time to kick your local party official and tell them in no uncertain terms, they'd better be greeting and recruiting these servicemembers not for a vote, but for a job to represent their district, their state, their nation. Regardless of the party, if there is a defeatist sitting on the seat right now, its time for a new replacement. The time to start is now.
Posted by: Ebbereck Uneregum5631 || 06/14/2005 8:48 Comments || Top||

#18  You can sit around and cry about it if you want. But ask yourself what are you doing? Call your representatives and have your friends do the same. Furthermore, get involved with supporting the troops through various websites. Letters to the editors. etc etc.
Posted by: JackAssFestival || 06/14/2005 8:51 Comments || Top||

#19  AND ... take on the idiotarians when you encounter them. We CANNOT AFFORD to agree with one another here but be silent when we're among them ... or among those who might be undecided.

We know what the imams and mullahs are preaching. We know what is being done to women and children in the Muslim world. We KNOW the involvement of France and other countries in abetting tyranny and hatred.

It's time for us to insist that that story get out publicly. Because it is NOT being portrayed in the MSM. People may not trust the MSM a lot, but it's the only source of info for many. It's time that WE step up to challenge the assumptions of many who will vote in this country.

Don't wait for Dubya or any other politician. Take back our country and public opinion now ... while we still have some sliver of a chance of doing so.
Posted by: too true || 06/14/2005 8:58 Comments || Top||

#20  fred dont be so pessimistic. Not ALL dems are antiwar, not even wrt staying the course in Iraq. Hilary, whom, you mention, has remained staunchly committed to seeing a victory in Iraq. The antiwar folks hate her for that. (the holywood cultural left crowd is also nervous about the family values noises shes made, the things shes said about violent video games, and the like) Y'all may think of her as a socialist cause of healthcare, but the Hollywood left and the Upper West Side parlor pinks dont care about healthcare, being wealthy themselves. The 2008 Dem primary campaign is likely to brutal - if Hilary can beat the Deaniacs that will be a very good sign.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 9:19 Comments || Top||

#21  Why this is even worser than TET!
Shit, get a gripe, this is going to be a long war than ends suddenly in victory. My bet is another 36 months, by then 3 other regime changes.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 9:22 Comments || Top||

#22  No wait, only two regime changes, Lebannons already happened.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 9:22 Comments || Top||

#23  from Sen. Hilary Clinton's speech to AIPAC

"Now, Israel is not only, however, a friend and ally for us, it is a beacon of what democracy can and should mean. It is, after all, a pluralistic democracy. It is, as many of us know from personal experiences, a very dynamic democracy with many points of view, and those are expressed with great frequency and vigor. So if people in the Middle East are not sure what democracy means, let them look to Israel, which has been and remains a true, faithful democracy.

But we know that the goal, the important, essential goal of a democratizing Middle East is complex, and it is not without risks. A few months ago, I went for the second time to Iraq and Kuwait and Afghanistan and Pakistan, and I returned home with hopefulness about what I had seen and learned, but also with a sense of caution about how we should proceed. In Iraq I saw firsthand the daily challenges confronting the Iraqi people. I met with a number of our troops, the brave young men and women who are on freedom's frontlines in Iraq. I met with our civilian representatives in the embassy and other agencies who are also risking their lives to help the Iraqi people.

And I met with representatives of the former interim Iraqi government and the newly elected Iraqi government, as well as private Iraqi citizens.

Now I came away with several overwhelming impressions. First, no matter what one thinks about events that have unfolded in Iraq, there is no doubt that the American military has performed admirably, with professionalism, and that every young man and woman who wears the uniform of our country deserves our support, whether they be active duty, guard, or reserve troop.

You know, it is on trips like that -- despite the often dangerous circumstances, I wish I could bring every one of my constituents -- all 19 million of them and any others who could come -- to see firsthand. I flew from Baghdad to Fallujah in a Blackhawk helicopter; met with the Marines who had liberated Fallujah from the insurgents and terrorists.

I met with many others of our Marines and soldiers who are committed to their mission to try to bring freedom to the people of Iraq. They, as well as the troops I saw in Kuwait and in Afghanistan, are committed to this fundamental belief that people deserve the right to be free, deserve the right to select their own government, deserve the right to plot and plan for a better future for themselves and their children.

I hope that each of you, as you travel through your states and communities, will make it a point to thank these young people, because they're paying a very high price: 1,600-plus lost their lives; thousands and thousands have returned home grievously injured. Because of the advances in battlefield medicine and the new body armor that our troops wear, many are surviving injuries that would have left previous generations of young men and women dead. "

Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 9:25 Comments || Top||

#24  Somebody name for me an anti Viet Nam war congressman, who, in 1968, was talking about liberating towns from the terrorist VC. Heck, were pro-war congressmen talking like that?

This aint 1968.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 9:28 Comments || Top||

#25  Keep talking, LH. You might convince yourself.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 9:32 Comments || Top||

#26  so, RC, can YOU name me an antiwar congressmen who went to VN in 1968 and came back talking about Marines who had liberated villages?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 9:35 Comments || Top||

#27  Hilly said that? She's not a chameleon, she's a changling!

Some good stuff up above, Fred. Take heart. And you are playing a role here, doing your part, working for the good guys!
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 9:44 Comments || Top||

#28  RC: so, RC, can YOU name me an antiwar congressmen who went to VN in 1968 and came back talking about Marines who had liberated villages?

Hillary's a Senator with presidential ambitions who's never been overtly anti-war. Note that she's voted for every military appropriation in the war on terror. Prior to her trip, she had consistently *talked* about how the war on terror was a good thing. She's still *talking* that way. Now that the polls appear to be going in reverse, it will be interesting to see what Hillary says next. In any case, it's not what Hillary says on her way to a presidential nomination that matters - it's what she did. We don't need another Carter in the White House.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 9:49 Comments || Top||

#29  Of course Hillary's voted for the use of the military - she's gonna want that track record clean when she deploys them domestically ;-)


and yes, I know about Posse Comitatus
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 10:02 Comments || Top||

#30  Fred, go re-read your wonderful post on the opinion page. What you wrote really helped me regain perspective when I was beginning to despair about the whole situation. Next, seriously, your seratonin levels may have dropped a bit. Take your lovely wife and whatever grandkids happen to be around, and go for a brisk walk -- at least 20 minutes. Fresh air, sunshine, and sustained aerobic exercise do wonders for the seratonin levels in those with normal metabolisms. Then get a good night's sleep. Inadequate sleep, especially of the critical REM stage, leads to a drop in seratonin levels and mental confusion. (Trust me on this one. I'm an expert!)

And finally, in this little housewife's opinion (an opinion, it must be admitted, informed by what I've learned at your site), we will not lose this war. If, as you fear, a Democrat lands in the White House next election, there will indeed be a slackening of the anti-Islamist effort. As a result, there will be An Incident. And the President (D), will fry 'em up, in .com's oft-used phrase. Not the way we want to win the war, true, but definitive nonetheless. And the following denizen of the White House will be a Republican, chosen to clean up the mess, while the Democratic Party dissolves into guilt-induced hysteria (legitimate, for a change) and mutual recriminations, to be replaced by the Libertarians in the role of Loyal Opposition.

And finally, remember that in all consumer surveys -- unless very carefully worded -- the answer is predicated in the question. So don't take the reported number of Americans against continuing in Iraq seriously. There is a television show about welcome home parties for individuals coming back from the war -- and every single one of those people will hear the truth from their own personal troop. Those poor anti-Bush, anti-war journalists haven't a chance!

(P.S. Feel free to notice that your mood has been lifted by my amusing naivete'. I won't mind.)
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 10:08 Comments || Top||

#31  I still don't like her and I don't think she would make a good president but she did tell Kerry that voting against appropriating the 89 billion dollars would be a grave mistake politically. She was right.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 06/14/2005 10:10 Comments || Top||

#32  Remember:

These are the same pollsters who had Kerry soundly winning the election, who said that Daschle was safe in his senate seat, and who skewed every poll by asking leading questions.

They wanted a result that would hurt Bush by screwing the war effort, so they went out and made one. Notice how the articles all lead off with some reference to Bush and try to make him a failure because of a poll result. This is all about the MSM's hatred of GWB, and their desire to get him even if it harms the nation.

Asking the real folk, those of us out here in fly-pver land, that would produce completely different answers - adn the MSM woulndt want that to get out, now would they?

As for what Bush needs to do: Bush needs to start using the Bully Pulpit, and do the things Reagan did: go over the heads of the press and the craven congresswimps, and talk directly to the American people. Engage the people, tell them of the need for hard work to get hard rewards, tell them of the successes our sacrifices in Iraq have brought, tell them of the things the MSM refuses to talk about, give them a living breathing example of it (i.e. a US servicemember who is well spoken and in Iraq to tell of the Iraqis who he has helped and how now help others).

As for us: keep spreading the good word. Read Cherenkoff. And the repeat one or two items in passing at work, especially to those co-workers who are more concerned with American Idol and the latest Michael Jackson news. "Hy Bob, I saw this where they are doing X in Iraq, and the people there are... WOnder why the news isnt covering it?"

Grass roots have to start someplace. Start with yourselves. Luckily for me, I dont have to worry about this in my office.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/14/2005 10:33 Comments || Top||

#33  Chin up Fred. We all get down at times. To paraphrase Bluto from Animal House: my recommendation is to drink heavily! Go to the O-club and Pappy will hook you up. As usual, we'll sign your chits. Cheers!
Posted by: Spot || 06/14/2005 10:48 Comments || Top||

#34  "Hilly said that? She's not a chameleon, she's a changling!"

Nope, she's been consistent.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 10:49 Comments || Top||

#35  "If, as you fear, a Democrat lands in the White House next election, there will indeed be a slackening of the anti-Islamist effort. As a result, there will be An Incident. And the President (D), will fry 'em up, in .com's oft-used phrase. Not the way we want to win the war, true, but definitive nonetheless. And the following denizen of the White House will be a Republican, chosen to clean up the mess, while the Democratic Party dissolves into guilt-induced hysteria (legitimate, for a change) and mutual recriminations, to be replaced by the Libertarians in the role of Loyal Opposition"
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 10:51 Comments || Top||

#36  "If, as you fear, a Democrat lands in the White House next election, there will indeed be a slackening of the anti-Islamist effort"

an anti war dem wont win, as long the war is an issue. A prowar dem like Hilary might actually intensify the effort - maybe allocating resources to match the rhetoric.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 10:53 Comments || Top||

#37  Thank you, liberalhawk -- I think. If only you were in charge of the Party, things would be different.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/14/2005 10:57 Comments || Top||

#38  LH: A prowar dem like Hilary might actually intensify the effort - maybe allocating resources to match the rhetoric.

Well, lookie here - another liberal looking to throw taxpayer money at a problem that isn't susceptible to monetary solutions. That's what I love about liberals - any problem in the world can be solved with more taxpayer dollars.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 11:01 Comments || Top||

#39  wrt the polls - look, people react to whats happening. January 30 was the elections, people felt good. Since early April bad stuff happened in Iraq. Seriously bad. Whatever Chrenkoff, Wretchard etc say. No matter how much folks want to blame the media. So folks react. When things show signs of progress again (which they WILL) people will buck up again.

Take a look at Winston Churchills words during WW2, or FDR's. They sure werent defeatists, but they also didnt go around saying Germany was in death throes, or that the axis was defeated, even AFTER decisive victories like Midway, El Alamein, Stalingrad. WSC - this is not the end, nor even the beginning of the end, but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. Thats where we are now. The Iraqi forces have probably at least 2 or 3 years go to be a quality force. And even if we peel off a chunk of the insurgency politically, it will remain strong until the Iraqi forces are strong enough to not need US help. So we're at the end of the beginning, maybe the midpoint(looking at Iraq alone, not the broader WOT). It would behoove the admin and those who support the war in Iraq to be upfront about that. Imagine, if, after El Alamein, WSC had announced that the Germans were now finished? What then would have been the public response to the Germans retaking Kharkov, to the troubles of the North Africa campaign, etc??? Level with people, and you'll do better in the long run then making airy fairy everythings going great.

Resolve is what is needed. Grim resolve.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 11:01 Comments || Top||

#40  "That's what I love about liberals - any problem in the world can be solved with more taxpayer dollars"

more often than not, war can.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 11:03 Comments || Top||

#41  I can understand Fred's frustration and level of anxiety over our committment to the WoT. All you have to do is read the NYT's each day as I do and watch the MSM networks from time to time and then spend some time around a very liberal but ex-patriotic community as I do in the summer. It is all there - anti-patriotism, pro-liberal values (gay marriage, abortion, free borders, etc.)anti-religion, anti-bush, anti-america. No one believes it will ever happen again and even if it does it will be Bushes fault which is all these lily-livered whiners want anyway - find fault - not fix problems. It can be pretty depressing. Then you crawl up to your little crow's nest in the attic and sit down to your computer and link up to Rantburg, Jihad Watch, LGF, Austin Bay, etc. and your life picks up a little optimism. So, Fred, cure thyself - read the burg thoughts and comments and understand that you are not alone, there is hope (unfortunately with that you usually die in shit)and that something big is going to happen to refocus all this energy where it belongs. I think that is what is bringing you (and me at times) down - that something big is going to happen and we haven't done enough to keep it from happening.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 06/14/2005 11:05 Comments || Top||

#42  You know, Liberalhawk, I'm having a hard time imagining FDR limiting war expenditures to 25% of government spending during WW2.

In fact I wouldn't be suprised to find out that total government expenditures were roughly the same then as now.

It's nice of y'all that y'all have found a new way to expand government power by pretending y'all are hawks.

But are _you_ willing to do something that might seriously crimp your power or political base to win the war?

I'm specifically thinking of the mainstream democratic party _stopping_ thinking of the domestic oil exploration industry as a Class Enemy. If y'all had done it four years ago, the country would be farther ahead than it is now.

The same goes for nuclear power.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/14/2005 11:09 Comments || Top||

#43  "Level with people, and you'll do better in the long run then making airy fairy everythings going great. "

points a few posts up

LH, thats pretty much what I said Bush needs to do. Notice what I put first?

Engage the people, tell them of the need for hard work to get hard rewards, tell them of the successes our sacrifices in Iraq have brought, tell them of the things the MSM refuses to talk about, give them a living breathing example of it


Sometime GWB frustrates the hell out of me because he waits too long to use the publicity powers of the Presidency. Clinton was popular because he knew how to do it. Reagan was a master of it, bringing a conservative revolution when both parts of Congress where held by Democrats. Even JFK knew how to use it to inspire and motivate the American people.

Bush has the MBA mentality, and is a solid manager and leader, in a corporate sense. And when he bothers to get out there, he does very well (Remember the bullhorn at the 9/11 site?)

Every good CEO knows how to sell - its part of the job. Somone needs to tell him "George, its time for the salesman part of your job as CEO of the USA". Plan an information campaign that puts this squarely in front of the American people: We are winning, the MSM is not telling you the whole story. Much like World War 2, there are battles along the way that we have won, and more for us to win - and like WW2 those battles have casualties. There have been sacrifices, while not on the scale of thousands dying in a few days, as in Iwo Jima or Bastogne, and there will be more to come. But they are well worth while, and these are the results.. Ask the soldiers. Go ask the Marines.

I think that Americans will respond to a challenge. At least the ones who matter will respond. The craven political asses in the MSM will respond predictably, and you can prepare for that by making sure that the campaign in the USA is just as dogged and sustained against the MSM's biased coverage as is the campaign in Iraq against the Baathists, Wahabbists and Salafists.

This is now a 2 front war, and one of the most important fronts is being ignored, or at the least, not being given sufficient resources and attention.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/14/2005 11:18 Comments || Top||

#44  "You know, Liberalhawk, I'm having a hard time imagining FDR limiting war expenditures to 25% of government spending during WW2.

Mainly because he so dramatically increased defense spending.

"In fact I wouldn't be suprised to find out that total government expenditures were roughly the same then as now."

Im sure thats incorrect. Total non-government spending was very small. Hardly any private consumer durables were sold during that time, few houses except in places were war industry booms created housing shortages, etc.

"It's nice of y'all that y'all have found a new way to expand government power by pretending y'all are hawks."

Its nice of you to judge my motivation without knowing me.

"But are _you_ willing to do something that might seriously crimp your power or political base to win the war?"

Just supporting the war in Iraq endangers the unity of my party. Dramatically. I think thats enough of a crimp.

"I'm specifically thinking of the mainstream democratic party _stopping_ thinking of the domestic oil exploration industry as a Class Enemy. If y'all had done it four years ago, the country would be farther ahead than it is now."

Not all dems are opposed to expanded exploration for oil, or to nuclear power plants. Just as not all republicans are opposed to measures to conserve energy.

But ultimately this isnt about oil. The jihadis are a danger to us even if we're self sufficient in oil, and they can be beaten even if we're not.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||

#45  BTW, if you check out leftie blogs, like Kevin Drum, theyre going on about how poor Howard Dean was done in by the MSM.

Id say Bush would be advised NOT to go on about the MSM - it reeks of blaming the messenger - and good news does get out - a lot of the positive stories posted here actually come from the MSM. And I wouldnt go on about victories -let generals do that, or better, Iraqis, or congressmen who go to Iraq. Focus EXPLICITLY on warning how long and hard a slog its going to be - within that you can subtly mention victories "despite the progress Iraqi forces have made, they have a long way to go ...." that sort of thing.

That might actually lower his ratings in the short run. But Cheney seems to be trying to buy short run ratings at the expense of long term gains.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 11:31 Comments || Top||

#46  Ya'all rememeber in 1990how the left convinced a tax increase was in order or the economy would shell out. Bush went for it, went against his promise, went against his base. Look what happened to Bush

This is the same thing. The left in GOP friendly states are pressuring GOP politicians to knuckle under knowing full well if they do the right stays home in 2006 and likely 2008.

If Bush and Frist want to stave off a potential distaster, it is time for Bush to take the lead and reiterate his support for the war and all we are doing, stating without equivication that nothing less than a military victory is a successful outcome in Iraq, and part and parcel of that is a free, capitalistic, democratic Iraq. Nothing less will do for me.

Bush ought to damn well state: We won in 2004. We control the agenda now.
Posted by: badanov || 06/14/2005 11:33 Comments || Top||

#47  This ought to cheer Fred up:

Drinks in the O club are on the house until Fred cheers up.
Posted by: badanov || 06/14/2005 11:36 Comments || Top||

#48  i agree it's a two front war and we've lost it badly on the home front.

I don't think we will wind up wearing turbans, but I do think we will lose NY or someother US city to a nuke or other type of WMD.

It would be great if we could put all of those who said we needn't worry into one town and let them go up in smoke, but like drunk drivers, their cavalier carlessness only ends up killing others.

If I was a general, I'd be fighting back in the culutre war. If the pen is mightier than a sword, then maybe it's about time that our generals need to acknowledge that and act accordingly.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 11:37 Comments || Top||

#49  2b: General Myers has been trying to do that. Not as much as I'd like to see, but the man is trying.
Posted by: badanov || 06/14/2005 12:01 Comments || Top||

#50  OK, so who has written a letter to the editor, or an op-ed piece? Some of you are very erudite (I just know a few 25-cent words). Certainly getting "our" point of view across to the NYT, LAT, or WaPo will not be easy, but there are other forums, no? And persistence, or numbers, might eventually pay off in the less-friendly media....
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 12:14 Comments || Top||

#51  it's a good point bobby - but I've given up on NYT WAPO etc. I fight back by ignoring the papers, treating them as the litter that they are, and I believe that is the most effective way to hastent their demise.

And when I do refer to them, to my friends who are true believers, I simply note that I don't bother with papers, they are too slow, too doom and gloomy and inferior to the product I get online. Oh, sure, I miss the local section and all that, but quite frankly, NYT and WaPo and all the other old media are just not good enough for me, better quality online.

Shuts them up fast...heh, heh.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 13:28 Comments || Top||

#52  and you know what hurts the WAPO and NYT et al the most when I do that? It's that it's TRUE!

Truth hurts, babee. The truth hurts. Rantburg is a better "paper" than the NYT when it comes to WOT. If USA today is McDonalds - WAPO and the NYT are Denny's, or at best, a stuffy steak house. Rantburg is that really that really good ethinic restaraunt down the street. When I want WOT, I come here. And rantburg has a pretty good politics and page 3 on their menu too.

Hey WaPo and NYT...you guys suck. Better stuff on line. Learn to deal with it.
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 13:39 Comments || Top||

#53  I think that is what is bringing you (and me at times) down - that something big is going to happen and we haven't done enough to keep it from happening.

What brings me down is the prospect that over the course of the next few years the LLL will have framed the thoughts of the general public sufficiently that we just lose our will and focus. They're trying hard to do just that right now and so far as I can tell, are succeeding.
Posted by: too true || 06/14/2005 14:50 Comments || Top||

#54  I live in the UK and get the piss taken out of me by close friends for investigating Islam. Watching as the Palistinians celebrated 9 - 11 made me check out who these nutters were that rejoiced death in the name of their God. The more I read, I realised that we are going to face another world war in our generation. The new enemy can twist and turn the statements in their holy book to justify just about anything, look at Zarquawi saying muslims are fair game in his latest statement. Their ultimate goal must be to obtain Nukes to cause as much devastation as possible and it must be only a matter of time when the enemies of the US, like Pak and N Korea pass on material to terrorists. I am feeling very pessemistic about the future too. It winds me up to see our governments do nothing when people who want us dead burn our flags on our streets. Most of them live off the state go to their mosques and are plotting our doom. What is going to make us start deporting the enemy within? Another Madrid? Bali? New York? What are we waiting for???
Posted by: Knockeyes Nilsworth || 06/14/2005 17:04 Comments || Top||

#55  "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared" (Cicero)
Posted by: True German Ally || 06/14/2005 17:35 Comments || Top||

#56  Its nice of you to judge my motivation without knowing me.

Well, I have been watching the majority leaders of your party for about twenty-five years now. I watched Hillary fall into lockstep behind Hanoi John once he became the party nominee.

"But are _you_ willing to do something that might seriously crimp your power or political base to win the war?"

Just supporting the war in Iraq endangers the unity of my party. Dramatically. I think thats enough of a crimp.


Not really. There's a double-standard involved in that a leftist politician can stand up and says he supports the war and the left-wing pacifist branch of your party will support him under the understanding that either he doesn't really mean it or he's just doing it to expand the party's power. John Kerry had both the votes of the pacifist wing and those who thought he'd be better because he could show how he was a much better hawk than Bush, after all he fought in Vietnam, and testified in Congress, and helped create our marvellous victory there where Vietnam's freedom was secured. (What, it wasn't? Oh, it wasn't really possible anyway, and it took a _smart_ hawk like Kerry to realize that. Never mind that Vietnam was the war where the rest of the world had it demonstrated that _terrorism worked_, because even when it lost the battles, it could gain political victories, and the Arabs today are trying to obtain the sort of victory John F'cking Kerry gave to North Vietnam. Which is why I keep bringing that point up.)

"I'm specifically thinking of the mainstream democratic party _stopping_ thinking of the domestic oil exploration industry as a Class Enemy. If y'all had done it four years ago, the country would be farther ahead than it is now."

Not all dems are opposed to expanded exploration for oil, or to nuclear power plants. Just as not all republicans are opposed to measures to conserve energy.


No, but the people who've controlled the national democratic party for the last thirty years have been opposed to both of those, despite their attempts at running candidates in LA and TX to say they're really not. ANWR didn't pass until the Republicans got something like 65% of the Senate, and ANWR is a small part of what we _need_ to be doing.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/14/2005 17:47 Comments || Top||

#57  Great quote TGA.
Posted by: phil_b || 06/14/2005 17:52 Comments || Top||

#58  ANWR didn't pass until the Republicans got something like 65% of the Senate, ...

So why no talk about opening up the east,west and Flordia coasts to oil exploration?

It that too much a gilded cow for even Republicans to stomach?
Posted by: 3dc || 06/14/2005 18:56 Comments || Top||

#59  What, and anger the retirees?
Posted by: Pappy || 06/14/2005 19:25 Comments || Top||

#60  Pappy and 3dc there are thousands and thousands of minimum wage jobs in Florida that depend on an unobstructed view of the Gulf of Mexico. It's much to painful to contemplate the end of the motel economy, slot machines are looking good tho.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 19:51 Comments || Top||

#61  my answer?
"I'll pull out when I'm done, Dammit"

should be interesting to watch the interview responses...for kicks
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 20:28 Comments || Top||

#62  What? A bunch of piss ant whimps. We go through this shit every six months. First it was Sey Hersh saying we were going to lose in Afganistan-- the day before we kicked the ficking AQs and Talibunnies out. So much for insightfulness from Sey.

Then we have the aftermath of a spendid Iraq invasion. Mom, is it over with yet? was the wail from lilly livers for several months post invasion.

Then there was the Iraqi election. Then everyone was back on the bandwagon -- for a couple of weeks. Now we have the cowards crying to set a timetable. Couriously, most of the same idiots that are crying about Gitmo (oh, those poor little terrorists).

We will leave when victory is assured, and not before. No grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. God bless our troops.
Posted by: Captain America || 06/14/2005 23:51 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Pakistan will get $500m for poverty reduction
The Department for International Devolvement (DFID), the organ of British government responsible for promoting development and reducing poverty across the world, will give Pakistan $500 million in three years for poverty reduction projects.
That's approximately $3.85 per person in Pakland, assuming a population of 130 million. That oughta take care of the problem...
DFID chief in Pakistan Yusaf Samiullah disclosed this at the launch of communication strategy with regard to Pakistan Poverty Reduction Strategy Paper (PSRP) on Monday. Samiullah said that all Pakistani parliamentarians, government officials, businessmen and other stakeholders will get a cut should be briefed on the PRSP so that they could play a pivotal role in reducing poverty. He said that there was an information gap among the stakeholder over the PRSP which needed to be filled.
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  wow! thatn build lotter madrasas
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/14/2005 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  That's right Muc. Along with lots of camps, guns, and full-funding for the "bribes to tribes" program!
Posted by: Spot || 06/14/2005 9:06 Comments || Top||

#3  You could probably hand the money over in cash to the first 50 damaged homeless wheeley bin pushing shamblers in London and get exactly the same effect on poverty in pakiland.
Posted by: Tkat || 06/14/2005 9:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Samiullah said that all Pakistani parliamentarians, government officials, businessmen and other stakeholders should be briefed on the PRSP so that they could play a pivotal role in reducing poverty.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 9:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Probably their own.

Submit on the left, preview on the right.
Submit on the left, preview on the right.
Submit on the left...

Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 9:27 Comments || Top||

#6  thern a pree view?
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 9:35 Comments || Top||

#7  Youth can be trained to do useful jobs.
Posted by: gromgorru || 06/14/2005 11:13 Comments || Top||

#8  The Department for International Devolvement (DFID), the organ of British government responsible for promoting development and reducing poverty across the world, will give Pakistan $500 million in three years for poverty reduction projects.

Fine by me. Let the Poms drop their pounds into a black hole for once.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 20:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Terrorism is damn good business. Instead of hitting Pakistan with a punitive expedition for creating, sponsoring and directing the Taliban rulers and sheltering and using bin Laden and AQ to attack the Pakistani governments internal and external enemies, the US rewarded Pakistan. US aid to Pakistan after the Sept. 11 attacks have been running over a billion dollars per year and will do so for at least the next five years. The Bush admin has also forgiven at least $1.5 billion in Pakistani debt. Pakistani economic growth has now gone from negative to 5% annual growth.

Instead of invading, kicking the Saudis out and seizing all their assets, oil revenues to the terror sponsoring nations have doubled. The Saudis and Iranians are now flush with cash to buy and develop any weapons they wish. Stagnant economies are now growing at 10% a year due to massive growth of oil revenues and economic aid. Afghanistan and Iraq are getting tens of billions of development each year and are now growing 40-50% a year. If any of the muslim countries could have predicted the US reaction, they would have happily attacked us years ago.
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 22:01 Comments || Top||

#10  Where's Retief of the Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne when we need him?
Posted by: mom || 06/14/2005 22:55 Comments || Top||


Suicide bomber wounds 4 US soldiers in Afghanistan
A suicide bomber rammed a car packed with explosives into a US military vehicle in southern Afghanistan on Monday, killing himself and wounding four American soldiers, one seriously, the US military said. The military denied Afghan police and army reports that at least five Americans had been killed in the attack in Mirwais Mina, about 10 km from the city of Kandahar.

Taliban guerrillas claimed responsibility for the attack. Taliban spokesman Abdul Latif Hakimi said it had been a suicide attack by a local named Haji Juma. "This was our work," he said. A Reuters Television News cameraman near the scene saw a US helicopter evacuating casualties. The troops were from a US Provincial Reconstruction Team based in Kandahar and the blast occurred as they were returning to their base from a patrol.

US military spokesman Colonel Jim Yonts said the attack had been carried out by a suicide bomber who drove a car packed with a large quantity of explosives into a US military vehicle. "The vehicle was struck by a suicide bomber who detonated his vehicle with the explosives," he said. Yonts said one of the US soldiers was seriously hurt, but his injuries did not appear to be life-threatening. The others were in stable condition.
This article starring:
ABDUL LATIF HAKIMITaliban
Colonel Jim Yonts
HAJI JUMATaliban
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Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Aoun trounces rivals in Lebanon polls
Anti-Syrian Christian leader Michel Aoun has handed other anti-Syrian opposition groups a surprising defeat in Lebanese parliamentary elections. According to results announced by Interior Minister Hassan al-Sabei on Monday, Aoun and his allies clinched a total of 21 of the 58 seats contested on Sunday, at least temporarily thwarting the opposition's quest for a majority in their drive to end Syria's political control. Meanwhile, the Shia Muslim Hezb Allah resistance group and its allies swept 10 seats in the eastern Bekaa Valley while Druze leader Walid Jumblatt's list won in central Mount Lebanon.
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Europe
Policewoman shot outside UN Tribunal
From the Dept. of Too Soon To Tell If This Is Significant:
A police officer underwent surgery on Monday evening after being shot and seriously injured in Scheveningen near The Hague. The shooting took place at about 5.50pm on Monday on the Vuurtorenweg in Scheveningen. The website of Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' said the 21-year-old officer had been on guard duty in a security hut outside the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. She was apparently able to raise the alarm herself and was airlifted to hospital by a trauma helicopter. The police have revealed little else about the incident or her medical condition. It has not been confirmed whether the shooting was related to the tribunal's work. Investigators sealed off the scene and were carrying forensic examinations late into the evening.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  FWIW, I've been through that very security hut. The ICTY is a sprawling concrete and glass complex with really nothing else for 50-100 yards in every direction. Bloody unlikely it could be mistaken for a bank, or that it was crossfire from some nearby melee, so I don't see how it could be "unrelated" to the tribunal's work. Finding and trying all the Srebrenica perps is mainly what they're up to these days. Among other things, Del Ponte is currently trying to nab two fugitives in Russia.
Posted by: ST || 06/14/2005 4:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh yes. It was inadequately trained, equipped, and supported Dutch UN peacekeeping troops that stood by and watched the Srebrenica massacre, in which 8000 Bosnian Muslims were slaughtered by Serbs. A video of it was released just last week that caused even more outrage than pee on a Qur'an. And now a UN tribunal in the Netherlands sits in judgment of a war crime it should have prevented. So I would also consider payback as a possibility.
Posted by: ST || 06/14/2005 4:52 Comments || Top||

#3  She probably shot herself.
Posted by: Peter || 06/14/2005 6:32 Comments || Top||

#4  That's her right Peter. Altho if she'd waited for a few years we might have made it painless.
Posted by: W Churchill scion of William the Silent || 06/14/2005 9:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Jelous boyfriend?
Posted by: gromgorru || 06/14/2005 11:17 Comments || Top||

#6  Morrocan wedding collateral damage?
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 11:44 Comments || Top||

#7  AMSTERDAM — Police say it appears that the shooting of an officer outside the Yugoslav tribunal in The Hague on Monday evening was a self-inflicted accident.

We got any swell prizes for Peter?

Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 11:54 Comments || Top||

#8  Not fair. Peter used his secret decoder ring.
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 12:05 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Fatah: No serious internal divisions
"About two thirds of us think Miller Lite tastes great; the rest say it's less filling. We've sent word to Ask an Imam; loser has to buy the first round of goats."
Palestinian National Security Adviser Jibril Rajoub has denied that the postponement of Fatah's general conference is indicative of a serious internal division within the organisation.
"No, no! Certainly not!"
Speaking to Aljazeera on Monday, al-Rajoub acknowledged the existence of differences among Fatah members on the issue, but argued that these had not developed into a serious internal division within the secular, nationalist organisation. He said Fatah's decision to end its monopoly on political authority was a strategic move that would not be reversed, adding that legislative elections would be held in due course of time. Al-Rajub said the postponement of the election was due to legal reasons. "Political pluralism and government change via the ballot box is a Fatah article of faith. It is a guarantor of national unity and our national vision, and one that will lead us safely to the establishment of the Palestinian state," he said.
Yeah, yeah. And then his lips fell off. I'm sick of listening to these people lie out their anuses.
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  al-Rajoub acknowledged the existence of differences among Fatah members on the issue, but argued that these had not developed into a serious internal division within the secular, nationalist organisation.

He means the sniping in the council chambers is still only verbal. For now.

But the boys have itchy fingers, y'know?
Posted by: mojo || 06/14/2005 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  ..al-Rajoub acknowledged the existence of differences among Fatah members on the issue, but argued that these had not developed into a serious internal division within the secular, nationalist organisation.

Would he care to define "serious", I wonder?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 10:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Would he care to define "serious", I wonder?

When he's dead, he'd probably consider that serious...
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 10:46 Comments || Top||

#4  "Political pluralism and government change via the ballot box is a Fatah article of faith. It is a guarantor of national unity and our national vision, and one that will lead us safely to the establishment of the Palestinian state," he said."

well of course its not a Fatah article of faith.
They were pulling for the USSR, when that was still a real possibility. But theres only one superpower now, and IT wants democracy, and SOME pals are able to read the writing on the wall, post Arafat Mortuum.

I dont look for honesty in international politics - i look for pragmatism, esp when the pragmatism leads my way.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 13:58 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks & Islam
Regarding Wretchard's latest: By Other Means 2
By other means 2

Ledger's comment on the Lemay moment is Right on Target!

Michael Ledeen, writing in the National Review, said:

more time has passed since 9/11 than transpired between Pearl Harbor and the surrender of the Japanese empire, and our most lethal enemies are still in power and still killing our people and our friends. It is good that the desire for freedom is now manifest among the oppressed peoples of the Middle East and Central Asia, and it is very good that dramatic strides toward self-government have been taken by the Georgians, Kyrgistanis, Ukrainians, Iraqis, and Lebanese. But it is not good enough. Indeed, it is shameful that we have yet to seriously challenge the legitimacy of the terror masters in Tehran and Damascus, who represent the keystone of the terrorist edifice.

Our enemies know this, because, to their delight and perhaps their surprise as well, they are still in power throughout the Middle East. Until and unless they are removed, the terror war will continue, our friends in the region will be killed, tortured, and incarcerated, and the president's vision of regional democratic revolution will go down the memory hole.



Posted by: 3dc || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  what have you done for me lately
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
'Militants won't be disarmed if Israeli occupation continues'
RAMALLAH: The Palestinian Authority will not disarm militants until Israel ends its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as stated in a US-backed peace plan, Foreign Minister Nasser al-Kidwa said on Monday.
Of course, they weren't disarmed before the occupation, either...
"Under international law, the Palestinian people have the right to resist this occupation and defend themselves," Kidwa, the former Palestinian envoy to the United Nations, told Reuters in an interview. "When occupation ends, it becomes a different matter. It would have to come to a national position to start disarming everybody, everybody but the security apparatus," he said, referring to Palestinian Authority security forces. A spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who declared a ceasefire with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in February, could not be reached for comment on whether the Palestinian leader agreed with Kidwa's remarks.
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#1  The Palestinian Authority will not disarm militants until Israel ends its occupation of the West Bank and..

Sheesh, these Paleo types are SO full of shit....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 10:44 Comments || Top||

#2  "When occupation ends, it becomes a different matter. It would have to come to a national position to start disarming everybody, everybody but the security apparatus,"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 11:21 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Opposition walks out of Pak Senate against MPA's arrest
They spend so much time walking out, nobody recognizes them from the front.
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Hindu mob attacks US missionaries
BOMBAY: Angry Hindu youths beat three American missionaries and tried to kidnap one as they held a bible studies class in Bombay, police said on Monday. About 30 or 40 men attacked the three, part of a group of eight, on Saturday night because they thought the missionaries were trying to convert Hindus in the Indian financial capital. The three were treated for bruises and cuts at a hospital but were not seriously injured, police said. "While this kind of attack is rare in Bombay, the police must take serious action against those responsible and send a clear message that religious intolerance will not be accepted in India," Bombay Catholic Sabha president Dolphy D'Souza said.
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#1  Sorry to say that Muslims don't have a patent on religious intolerance. Fools are universal.
Posted by: RWV || 06/14/2005 0:21 Comments || Top||

#2  wat rwv sayd
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/14/2005 0:26 Comments || Top||

#3  No patent, but they have mad franchising skillz.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/14/2005 0:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Posted by: Seafarious 2005-06-14 00:29

lol!
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/14/2005 0:32 Comments || Top||

#5  The coveted Franchise of the Year Award is still probably beyond their reach since the paki's and sauooodeez have dominated this sport for years now and have alot of depth from the bench.
Posted by: Tkat || 06/14/2005 9:11 Comments || Top||

#6  Sorry to say that Muslims don't have a patent on religious intolerance. Fools are universal

Of course we have our own homegrown religous bigots too. Heck we even have some homegrown non-religous bigots
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 06/14/2005 9:55 Comments || Top||

#7  The problem isnt religion per se but the whole idea of evangelism. It is a purely western concept and is very annoying to central asians, esp hindus. Actually its very annoying period, vain too.
Posted by: bk || 06/14/2005 10:00 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm annoyed by the occasional evangelist, but I've somehow managed for the past few decades to control my impulse to form a mob and kill Jehovah's Witnesses. Maybe it's a Western thing...
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 10:10 Comments || Top||

#9  ...but I've somehow managed for the past few decades to control my impulse to form a mob and kill Jehovah's Witnesses

I just answer the door naked, with a headless chicken in one hand, a knife at the other and smeared in its blood. They never come back after that for some reason.....
Posted by: mmurray821 || 06/14/2005 10:23 Comments || Top||

#10  geez, that'll turn on the Santeria door-to-doors that I get
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 10:32 Comments || Top||

#11  Evangelism a western concept, ya say? I invite you to the nearest Hindu temple for our next Yogi burning and clam bake.
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 11:05 Comments || Top||

#12  Angry Hindu youths beat three American missionaries and tried to kidnap one as they held a bible studies class in Bombay, police said on Monday. About 30 or 40 men attacked the three, part of a group of eight, on Saturday night because they thought the missionaries were trying to convert Hindus in the Indian financial capital.

I guess the "angry Hindu youths" can say God told them to do it, but they'd have to specify which one...

I vote the woman with the six arms...

I understand she's a charmer...
Posted by: BigEd || 06/14/2005 11:25 Comments || Top||

#13  Evangelism is the exercise of freedom of speech in favor of one's religious beliefs.
Posted by: Ptah || 06/14/2005 14:06 Comments || Top||

#14  "Evangelism is the exercise of freedom of speech in favor of one's religious beliefs."

solid first amendment view there, no disagreement. "i may find your evangelism annoying, offputting, and putting your church in a bad light, but I'll defend with my life your right to do it"

Id still rather you went and bothered agnostics and left me alone.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:11 Comments || Top||

#15  No way LH. Ifn I was of the door-to-door persuasion you be my first target. :) Just for the entertainment value. ;>

Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 17:01 Comments || Top||

#16  You want what?

Hell yes, got your semi-mystikal monotheism right here. Cheap too. No Saturday are fine. 10 percentum that's all we ask.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 17:03 Comments || Top||


Blast damages govt centre in Sarwaki
LADAH: A bomb blast damaged a government-run embroidery centre in Sarwakai, South Waziristan. In another incident, unidentified men shot dead a man, Yasin, and critically injured another in Shaga. Meanwhile, a resident of Makeen, Asmatullah, who had been missing for the past three days, was feared kidnapped.
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Girl killed by brother
LAHORE: A young girl was killed by her brother in Shadbagh area on Monday. Shehzadi Barkat, 22, was sleeping in her house in Essa Nagri when her brother, Samson Masih, attacked her with an axe, as he suspected her of bad character, and fled. She was taken to Mayo Hospital but died after initial treatment. The body was sent for an autopsy.
"Looks like a Craftsman, Dr. Quincy."
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#1  It was the Jin! It was the Jin! Onward Moonzlims forward! Burn the whole family! That bad character Jin might rub off on the rest of the pack.. uh I mean tha village!
Posted by: Shomble Shoger7533 || 06/14/2005 2:07 Comments || Top||

#2  That's the stuff that makes pakiland great boys!
Posted by: Tkat || 06/14/2005 9:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Samson Masih, attacked her with an axe, as he suspected her of bad character

Allah Akhbar! Allah Akhbar! Honor Killing! Allah Akhbar!
Posted by: BigEd || 06/14/2005 11:21 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
59 percent of Americans want withdrawal from Iraq: poll
And they'll eventually get their way and live to regret it...
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am always reminded by poll articles of a scene in Dudley Moore's Crazy People where someone asks the asylum inmates of his therapy group how many of them want to be advertising executives. A few raise their hands. Then he asks, "And how many of you want to be Fire Engines!" and all of the hands go up.

Who you ask.

How you ask.
Posted by: .com || 06/14/2005 0:10 Comments || Top||

#2  hmmm. em nuther chaineyd link. gudn to kno they in stil peples aroun hoo dont mined they dinners inturupted.
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/14/2005 0:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Scru that! The headline is "41% of Americans want to kick @$$!" I'll stack that 41% up against all. What...no takers? Thougt so.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 06/14/2005 1:19 Comments || Top||

#4  What we need are poll internals. How many Republicans and how many Democrats. My guess is that they oversampled Democrats.

As to living to regret it, I really doubt that. Muslims aren't going to repeat the mistake of 9/11. Did we live to regret the withdrawal from Vietnam? No. Who will live to regret our withdrawal? Non-Islamist Muslim opposition movements everywhere. Iraqi Shiites and Kurds will regret it. But that's really their problem, not ours. Note that there are other ways of destabilizing Muslim countries, including spending large sums of money subsidizing and arming the opposition, a la Afghanistan. I don't think a withdrawal from Iraq would be the end of the world. The side benefit is that we'd stop losing soldiers.

And if the jihadis kill 10,000 people in NYC as a response to what they consider Americans on the run? Well, it is primarily people in blue regions like NY and so on who want the war ended. As they reap, so shall they sow.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 8:28 Comments || Top||

#5  Coffee alert - ZF: As they reap, so shall they sow.

That should have read - As they sow, so shall they reap.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 8:31 Comments || Top||

#6  The only valid poll was taken last November. Was there really any question in anyone's mind who'd continue the war in Iraq?

All the rest are constructs of the media to manufacture or manipulate the public.
Posted by: Ebbereck Uneregum5631 || 06/14/2005 8:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Well, it is primarily people in blue regions like NY and so on who want the war ended. As they reap, so shall they sow.

Ah, the Ward Churchill of Rantburg.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 9:33 Comments || Top||

#8  nothing wrong with wanting the war over - I just want it on our terms. Dems and Liberals want to appease and withdraw, sticking their heads back n the sand, anything to damage W.

Ward Churchill, huh LH?....weak
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 9:39 Comments || Top||

#9  Even now the US Army is sending out the AIDS blankets.
Posted by: W Churchill || 06/14/2005 9:40 Comments || Top||

#10  LH: Ah, the Ward Churchill of Rantburg.

Liberals have this talent for inept analogies. For the record, I don't think blue-staters are little Eichmanns. I think that if you get in the way of the fireman trying to put out the flames burning down your house, you get what you deserve. No more, no less.

I am describing a worst case scenario, not what I think should happen - the bottom line is that Democrats are targets because they are concentrated in urban areas. Why do terrorists target urban areas? Well, Willy Sutton targeted banks because that's where the money was. Terrorists target urban areas because that's where large numbers of Americans are concentrated. No matter what Michael Moore might will, terrorists will continue targeting urban areas.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 10:00 Comments || Top||

#11  we need to spend all the money and credit we can get until we end up like the former soviet union, totally broke.
Posted by: bk || 06/14/2005 10:02 Comments || Top||

#12  wow - nice plan bk....idjit
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 10:04 Comments || Top||

#13  EU has it right - All the rest are constructs of the media to manufacture or manipulate the public.

The article notes 59% "want a full or partial pullout". If I was not so paranoid about MSM spin, I'd say we are ready to start reducing troop levels, but the MSM spins that thought into "withdrawal". Reduction, O.K.; withdrawal - even Hilly says no!
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 10:05 Comments || Top||

#14  I don't think a withdrawal from Iraq would be the end of the world. The side benefit is that we'd stop losing soldiers.

We are absolute fools if we do not stay until we have achieved the objectives: a multi-ethnic, fairly secular representative government with a functioning economy whose presence pressures the other surrounding states to make deep changes.
Posted by: too true || 06/14/2005 10:26 Comments || Top||

#15  Ah, farkit. I say we take over Syria and sell it on eBay...
Posted by: mojo || 06/14/2005 10:36 Comments || Top||

#16  bin Laden thought we didn't have the guts to fight. I sometimes worry that he was half right. Do we have the attention span to stick it out?
To be fair, we don't/can't announce our long range goals (suppress Wahhabism and Khomeiniism); and if all people hear about is Iraq they'll think that's all there is, and wonder why we aren't done.
Posted by: James || 06/14/2005 11:09 Comments || Top||

#17  Of course, what's not mentioned is this - what if Iraq's leaders ask us to stay?
Posted by: Raj || 06/14/2005 11:21 Comments || Top||

#18  "you get what you deserve. No more, no less. "

Theyre not little eichmans, but they nonetheless deserve it if they get killed in a terror attack. IE chickens coming home to roost, like the man said. You got your reason they deserve it, he had his. Your reasons are different. They are both vile. People dont deserve to be killed cause of their political beliefs, even if theyre mistaken. Whether that belief is opposition to certain aspects of the war, or opposition to Wards views on social justice in the third world.

"I am describing a worst case scenario, not what I think should happen - the bottom line is that Democrats are targets because they are concentrated in urban areas"

you do realize that New York City probably has the highest percentage of pro-war Democrats and prowar liberals in the country?? For reasons that are not unrelated to my own confluence of beleifs?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 11:37 Comments || Top||

#19  so Frank, you wouldnt care if 10,000 americans are killed in a terrorist act, as long as theyre New Yorkers?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 11:48 Comments || Top||

#20  I think Frank only meant that if 10,000 HAD to die, they might as well be New Yorkers.

But I am (sorta)ashamed of myself for saying it!

And I live in arguably the largest target, working halfway between the Capitol and the White House.
Posted by: Bobby || 06/14/2005 12:28 Comments || Top||

#21  Actually, Zhang Fei, there needs to be the WILL to even continue those means. Unless you've got cells of clandestine operators ready to destabilize multiple countries no matter how leftist this country's political leadership becomes ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 06/14/2005 12:38 Comments || Top||

#22  LH, quoting ZF: you get what you deserve. No more, no less.

Liberals aren't only good at inept analogies, they specialize in taking words out of context - i.e. lying. The full quote was: I think that if you get in the way of the fireman trying to put out the flames burning down your house, you get what you deserve. No more, no less.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 13:34 Comments || Top||

#23  ZF - I think that if you get in the way of the fireman trying to put out the flames burning down your house, you get what you deserve. No more, no less.

Ward Churchill, on the victims at the WTC - paraphrased - I think that if you are responsible for the conditions that led to a fire, you get what you deserve. No more, no less.

We (everyone on the right and center, and most on the center left) rightfully denounced Ward C. Not over the issue of whether trading bonds actually contributed to the causes of terrorism - probably wrong, but not beyond the bounds of reasonable debate - but because he was morally blind enough to suggest that this in ANY WAY made 9/11 somehow morally fitting - "IE chickens coming home to roost" Guys who trade bonds, (and janitors, secretaries, etc) who are killed by a terrorist bombing are NOT getting what they deserve. The only guys who get what they deserve when killed by violence are those who COMMIT crimes of violence. Which is why i will glady join y'all in laughing at terr "work accidents", cheering for terr groups to fight each other, etc. But to state, or imply, that folks who opposed one WOT policy or another somehow "get what they deserve" is vile.

Perhaps youre misled by your analogy. Standing in front of the fireman. Do you honestly think most New Yorkers would go and physically obstruct US soldiers on the battlefield??? No, its opposition to certain policies that you are talking about. Its as if someone who opposed buying a new firetruck has their house burnt down. It may have been a mistake to oppose the new firetruck, but its not moral culpability that makes someone deserving of dying in a fire.

We've really got to be careful about the metaphors we use - or we'll end up no better than the director of Amnesty International.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 13:45 Comments || Top||

#24  "Liberals aren't only good at inept analogies, they specialize in taking words out of context "

actually the blogosphere as a whole does that. Hell, this site does it quite alot. When you object, youre accused of being overly "nuanced".
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 13:46 Comments || Top||

#25  gag
Posted by: 2b || 06/14/2005 13:50 Comments || Top||

#26  LH: Ward Churchill, on the victims at the WTC - paraphrased - I think that if you are responsible for the conditions that led to a fire, you get what you deserve. No more, no less.

Ward Churchill said that Americans (little Eichmanns) were responsible for terrorists striking at the US because of Uncle Sam's policies, which he likened to that of the Nazis. My point is completely different - that if urban-dwelling liberals prevent Uncle Sam from killing America's enemies, the consequences they may suffer are only predictable - you get what you deserve. Only a liberal would confuse the two points. In Churchill's example, predatorial Muslim terrorists are out on the hunt, and America's little Eichmanns should stay out of their way by accommodating themselves to the terrorists' wishes. In my example, predatorial Muslim terrorists are on the hunt, and America's city-dwelling liberals should stay out of the way of our soldiers so they can wipe the terrorists out, failing which the latte-drinkers may fall victim to the terrorists. In Churchill's example, we must submit. In my example, we must make them submit. Liberals agree with Churchill, not me - they truly believe that Americans are the little Eichmanns described by Churchill - this is why submission comes so easily to them.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 14:26 Comments || Top||

#27  Do you honestly think most New Yorkers would go and physically obstruct US soldiers on the battlefield?

Oh, the people trying to obstruct the US military don't actually go out to the battlefield -- that's too dangerous -- instead they endlessly whine about minor matters (Abu Ghraib), try to impose unrealistic and utterly idiotic standards (treating terrs as lawful combatants), endlessly nitpick on imperceptable flaws in treatment that's a million times better than any other nation in the world would offer (Gitmo), and quite often outright lie (any story by Sy Hersh). It's much easier to obstruct the military from the homefront than the battlefront.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/14/2005 14:33 Comments || Top||

#28  In Churchill's example, we must submit. In my example, we must make them submit.

and in both cases it is claimed that folks deserve to die in a terror attack because of their political beliefs.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 14:51 Comments || Top||

#29  LH: and in both cases it is claimed that folks deserve to die in a terror attack because of their political beliefs.

Are you saying that there should be no consequences to our political beliefs? Wishful thinking LH. Our political belief affect us because we vote into office those who share it and demand the government represent it. That their are consequences too our political beliefs are part of what America so great, that we HAVE the choice in our lives. If a LLL who demands we pull out of Iraq, soldiers be put under the ICC, and that we apoligize/release those in Guatonamo Bay, then ends up dead in a cafe because of a former Guatonamo Bay detainee trained further in bombs by terrorists in Iraq, I'm not going too say that he didn't "Reap" the consequences of his actions. It's horribly sad that he died, yes, but he made the choices that directly contributed too his death.
Posted by: Charles || 06/14/2005 15:13 Comments || Top||

#30  We gotta finish the attitude adjustment now. We need to beat them there in Iraq; stay after the rascals elsewhere, flush them out and then beat them too. If we don't stay on course, if we let ourselves get distracted, we'll have to kill multiple millions more of them, and that will only be after one of those f-ers nukes a city here. The only humanitarian thing to do is kill them now in smaller numbers, and thereby save lives.
Posted by: Hank || 06/14/2005 15:31 Comments || Top||

#31  LH: and in both cases it is claimed that folks deserve to die in a terror attack because of their political beliefs.

What is it about liberals and compulsive lying? Churchill believes that Americans deserve to die because they will not submit. I believe that liberals deserve to die if they will not take the necessary precautions to have the enemy killed, i.e. if they submit. These positions are polar opposites - it's like saying that the allies and the fascists were both morally equivalent because they both struck out at civilian populations. That's what I love about liberals - lies and distortions are their stock in trade.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 15:41 Comments || Top||

#32  LH: These positions are polar opposites - it's like saying that the allies and the fascists were both morally equivalent because they both struck out at civilian populations.

That should have read: These positions are polar opposites - it's like LH is saying that the allies and the fascists were both morally equivalent because they both struck out at civilian populations.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/14/2005 15:43 Comments || Top||

#33  "Are you saying that there should be no consequences to our political beliefs"

Not death.

The difference between the allies and the Axis is that the axis murdered civilians deliberately, while the allies killed civilians unintentionally in the course of bombing strategic targets. The terrorists, who deliberately try to maximize civilian deaths, are like Himmler, NOT like LeMay.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/14/2005 15:50 Comments || Top||

#34  I'm with Hank. It's gotta be done now to save all kinda lives and if it means fighting a short attention span like James sez, and maybe lose an electin so be it. This war is not going away because we quietdown/muffle Iraq. Iraq's not even a front, it's a battle.

/end disjoint
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:55 Comments || Top||

#35  while the allies killed civilians unintentionally in the course of bombing strategic targets.

Um... Dresden?

Posted by: Pappy || 06/14/2005 20:16 Comments || Top||

#36  The Germman Nazis and thier Jap friends raised the stakes to the point where killing civilians was deemed necessary to end the killing sooner. It wasn't like innocent civilians (like 6 mil Jews) and tens of thousands of our soldiers weren't getting killed by the Nazis and Japs. The Allied strategy worked. No one seriously questioned it on a moral basis then, but only because the stakes had been raised so high. Now 6o years later, folks seconds guess and make invalid and simplistic comparisons. Don't kid yourself, the stakes can be raised again to where hard decisions like that get considered and made again. One successful terrorist attack with WMD is all it will take, and strong measures would once again be necessary to prevent mass killing of innocent Americans, Europeans, whoever, or to preserve the free world.
Posted by: Hank || 06/14/2005 21:35 Comments || Top||


Europe
EU approves Turkey customs deal
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#1  The European Union has approved an agreement adapting its customs union with Turkey to the 10 new EU member states, including Cyprus, bringing accession talks with Ankara a big step closer.

Talks are just that: talk. Doesn't guarantee anything.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/14/2005 10:57 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Bari Imam blast: Masterminds belong to LJ linked group
Investigators have traced the masterminds of a suicide attack on the shrine of Hazrat Bari Imam killing 20 people and injuring several others, sources told Daily Times on Monday. Sources said that an investigation team by the Punjab Crime Investigation Department Police, Federal Investigation Agency and the Intelligence Bureau found that Asif Chhota and Bara Usman from the Qari Group, a dissident of the banned religious outfit Lashker-e-Jhangvi, masterminded the attack.
Oh, gee. Somebody boomed a Shiite shrine. After intense investigation, it's deteermined it was Lashkar e-Jhangvi. WHO THE HELL DID YOU THINK IT WAS?
They said the two were included in the most-wanted list and the Punjab Police had put Rs 1 million head money on each.
Yeah. That tactic certainly works well, doesn't it? I'll bet the tips are just oozing in...
The investigation team also traced the calls made to the cell phones of Asif Chhota and Bara Usman during the explosion at the Bari Imam shrine, sources said. One investigation team member told Daily Times that Bara Usman said that Usman bought explosive material from the tribal area and made a bomb within two hours. The member, who asked not to be named, said that Asif and Usman were in Islamabad two weeks before the Bari Imam incident and instigated suicide bomber Mohsin Ali to launch the attack. Sources said the two had also planned suicide attacks on various Shia mosques on the outskirts of Islamabad, sources said.
Most of us are capable of pulling off, at most, one suicide attack...
The investigation showed that there was disagreement between the supporters of the two factions of the defunct Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqh Jafria group — one headed by Hamid Musvi and the other by Allama Sajid Naqvi. Sources said that the two groups wanted to take control of the Bari Imam shrine.
But neither of them boomed it.

This article starring:
ALLAMA SAJID NAQVITehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqh Jafria
ASIF CHOTALashker-e-Jhangvi
BARA USMANLashker-e-Jhangvi
HAMID MUSVITehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqh Jafria
Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqh Jafria
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India will not agree to solution acceptable to Kashmiris: Qazi
New Delhi will not agree to a solution of the Kashmir dispute that is acceptable to the Kashmiris, said Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) president and Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) ameer, on Monday.
And who knows better than Qazi what Kashmiris will find acceptable?
Addressing a five-day long workshop at Mansoorah, Ahmed condemned the attitude of the army generals and said that they were accustomed to luxurious lives and amassing wealth through the real estate business. The MMA leader criticised the army taking over the PTCL for security reasons and questioned the arrest of the protesting employees of the PTCL. He said that the PTCL had been handed over to US General Zinni in order to please the US. He feared that privatisation of profitable units like PTCL would cause instability.
I'd say there's a lot more instability caused by Qazi's thugs roaming the streets and breaking things than by the privatization of an occasional industry.
Qazi said that the troika of Washington, Tel Aviv and New Delhi had united against Muslims and the US had categorically declared war against Islam. He said that they were paying millions of dollars for a 'moderate and enlightened' Islam, which was actually a scheme to brush aside the real Islam.
As we've pointed out in these pages a time or two in the past, the "real Islam" is neither enlightened nor moderate. In fact, it makes a fetish of ignorance and brutality. It's adherents are incapable of controlling their least impulse toward violence. I, for one, am gladdened by the fact that Washington, Tel Aviv, and New Delhi have united against Muslims of Qazi's stripe. The only unhappiness I feel, in fact, is that so far none of them has invested the minimal amount of cash that would be required to hire someone to put a large caliber round through Qazi's turban.
He said that Gen Musharraf had allowed the creation of Aga Khan Board to revise the contents of text books in order to please the US.
Yeah. The Ismailis aren't believers in All Islam, All the Time. They must be declared apostate and hunted down and killed, right Qazi?
Qazi said that the nation had been divided on the basis of religion.
And he's been at the forefront of the movement...
He said that the MMA had proposed to observe 'Hurmat-e-Quran Day' every year in May to condemn the sacrilege of the Quran in Guantanamo Bay detention camps.
Good idea. I pledge to observe 9-11 day every year, too...
He said the West and its local agents had tried to malign Islamic movements by spreading a wave of terror in Karachi by setting KFC on fire and carrying out a bomb blast at Madinatul Ilm, following the murder of MMA leader Aslam Mujahid.
It's not a bunch of wild-eyed, spittle-spewing, AK-waving Islamists who're conducting a wave of terror in Pakland, it's the West, trying to malign religious movements in Pakistan that most of us never heard of before the WoT.
Malik Mohammad Asharf, JI deputy secretary general, also spoke on the occasion. Jamaat workers from across the country attended the meeting. Speakers from various walks of life and seasoned trainers will lecture the participants on various aspects of religion, politics and morality during the workshop.
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#1  Qazi's turban? I thought he wore one of those fez-looking thingies<:-)
Posted by: Spot || 06/14/2005 9:02 Comments || Top||

#2  4 retiring early 688 class subs, all the OHP class frigates they can handle, any excess LSDs and anything else that will scare the shit out of the pakis, givem to India.

Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 9:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Shipman:
I was thinking more along the lines of one SSBN, complete will all accessories.
Posted by: Jackal || 06/14/2005 12:21 Comments || Top||

#4  On further review Jackal... I think your plan is better.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 20:06 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Egypt protesters under surveillance
Aljazeera.net has received a statement from the Arab Commission for Human Rights alleging security surveillance of pro-reform protesters in Egypt. The Paris-based commission said in the statement women who were beaten and sexually harassed while protesting against Egypt's referendum vote of 25 May, have been receiving threats to drop complaints they filed against their alleged aggressors. The referendum sought popular support for a constitutional amendment suggested by the government and approved by the parliament. The Commission, which is an international NGO (non-governmental organisation) in special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations, considered the alleged attacks on protesters an "insult to human rights and Arab and Islamic values". The statement urged "all honourable men and women in the Arab homeland" to support the victims and put an end to such "barbarian practices".
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Africa: Horn
Somali president lands in Djibouti
The transitional president of Somalia has landed in Djibouti, after leaving Kenya for his home country. After a lavish send-off ceremony hosted by Kenyan leader Mwai Kibaki, Somali president Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed boarded a plane on Monday for Somalia but overflew his home country. An AFP correspondent in Djibouti confirmed Yusuf's arrival there, which Somali officials in Nairobi explained as a technical mishap.
"I ain't goin' there! You can't make me go there!"
"You're the president fergawdsake! You gotta go there!"
The officials blamed darkness and a lack of facilities at the airport in Yusuf's alleged intended destination, the town of Jowhar, and insisted the incident would not compromise the government's long-awaited return to Somalia. "The president was not ending exile in Kenya by going to another country," one official said. "This was purely a technical issue ... there are no political complications as such to his landing in Djibouti."
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The transitional president of Somalia..."

Is that like the Queen of Bartertown?
Posted by: Dr August Balls of Nice || 06/14/2005 12:06 Comments || Top||

#2  But with more violence and less pig manure.
Posted by: ed || 06/14/2005 12:30 Comments || Top||

#3  dark at the airport? Wonder if there was a reception party armed to the teeth?
Posted by: Frank G || 06/14/2005 13:40 Comments || Top||

#4  This was purely a technical issue

Ground fire?
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/14/2005 13:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Nothing sez abort like .50 cal.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 16:02 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Dick Cheney says no plan to close Guantanamo
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  linx ben chaineyd fred.
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/14/2005 0:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Daily Times goes up and down when it's under load. Rantburg's got a better server.
Posted by: Fred || 06/14/2005 7:57 Comments || Top||

#3  Johnny: My homawork ben chaineyd.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/14/2005 9:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Abu: A caterpillar ate my homework. I think it was a D9.
Posted by: SteveS || 06/14/2005 10:39 Comments || Top||



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