A parliamentary committee for law, justice and human rights proposed amendments to the Pakistan Penal Code and the Criminal Procedure Code that would mean death sentence or life term for the person involved in honor killing. The minimum punishment for the crime would be a seven-year jail term. Honor killings are rampant in the rural areas of Sindh and the deeply conservative northern regions. The government has taken steps to end the practice but such incidents keep happening. The law, if enacted, would strengthen the government's efforts to end this practice.
Not being a European, I'm perfectly comfortable with the idea of the death penalty for premeditated murder. Pakland's court system, however, doesn't seem to even open a case unless someone formally files a complaint. No complaint, no crime, regardless of how dead wifey or sister might be. I could be wrong in my interpretation, of course; correct me if I'm wrong. But if I'm not, it would seem that the state has the duty to take up the cause of the dear departed, who's no longer capable of speaking up. To coin a phrase:
"A corpse is a corpse, of course, of course,
"And no one can talk to a corpse, of course..."
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I saw a BBC show a while back on honor killings. One man actually ended up in prison for shooting his wife in the back of the head, but he managed to buy his way out for a few rupees to someone in charge.
Ironically even he was complaining about rampart corruption.
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"A corpse is a corpse, of course, of course,
"And no one can talk to a corpse, of course..."
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"A corpse is a corpse, of course, of course, "And no one can talk to a corpse, of course..."
Don't you think it's time to stop the Kerry bashing since he is clearly sinking faster than a Buick in lakewater..... ;-) Oh what the hell....bash away Jean Francois deserves to be fragged
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Chirac stated to Er'dogman, "International cooperation depends on trust. You can trust France and likewise, France can trust Turkey. The EU took note of the outcome of Turkey's sensitive negotiations with the Americans, prior to the Iraqi war. This is the type of trust that we are looking for and this is the type of trust that Turkey can count on from the EU."
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Has there ever, in the history of the West, been a more pathetic, mewling, foolish, pitiful, contemptible, shameful, (did I say pathetic?) display of unrequited fawning and unrelenting fellatio? Masterful diplomacy, Yippie. You stab the truest, most faithful ally you've ever had, and will every have, square in the back for the chance to lick Chirac's pointy shoes. Good choice, motherfucker. You'll be a second-class dog in the EU household, made to sleep on the porch, forever. Live with it, fuckwit.
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What's funny is that what is only beginning are TALKS over membership, not the actual membership process itself. There's still plenty of time to get shafted, and it would come as no surprise at all if that indeed comes to pass.
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"We ask for only one thing: to be treated just like the others.â
Ask all you want. (1) You're not like the others. (2) The others are members and you are not. (3) The rules can be modified at any time. (4) Your lip prints on Chirac's behind will not gain you any respect. You have to start with some self-respect.
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...A bit too nuanced for me.*S*
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The EUnichs will play Turkey like a fish. They do not want Turkey in the EU. This crap will go on for years. Turkey will go nowhere.
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Wow. What an impressive amount of kissy kissy! And I thought I had seen the pros in action when I saw middle management's behavior during the recent Reorganization...
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If he's willing to kiss this much ass over getting invited to talks, imagine what he would do for an actual chance at membership???
Anyone who could call Chirac a "genius" without laughing deserves the EU.
The Swift Boat Vets need financial help to air their last ads in Pennsylvania - an important swing state. Zell Miller will campaign there for Bush this coming week. If you possibly can, and if you support the Swifties in airing the truth about Kerry, dig down and send whatever you can. The election's only 2 weeks away! (You can use a credit card. Help defeat Kerry -- he is not fit to be Commander in Chief.)
Tunisia's main opposition party has pulled its 89 candidates from upcoming parliamentary elections saying yesterday the government had blocked them from getting their message to voters. "Our candidates were withdrawing from the poll race to protest the several obstacles the government had erected to prevent them from reaching voters, including the seizure of the election manifesto," the official, who did not want to named, told Reuters. "That decision will be made public tomorrow at a news conference by the party leadership," he added.
I guess boycotting the elections is the thing to do in the Arab and Muslim world...
The Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) already announced it was boycotting the presidential race, saying it feared Sunday's election will open the door for reviving a presidency-for-life. Tunisian voters on Sunday go to the polls to elect members of Parliament and the president. Few doubt the outcome of the election — with President Zine El-Abidine Ben Ali extending his power by a new five-year mandate and his ruling Constitutional Democratic Rally party keeping its grip on the 189-member Parliament. Critics accuse the government of brooking no true challengers and some opposition leaders say these multiparty elections are part of a veneer of democracy to disguise a de facto single-party rule.
Diplomats say Washington is closely watching the polls for signs the government is opening up Tunisia's political process after President George W. Bush urged Ben Ali for more reforms when they met early this year. Police blocked supporters of a Tunisian opposition presidential candidate from marching on the Interior Ministry building yesterday over the government's seizure of his election manifesto, witnesses and officials said. "Release the manifesto! Free the truth!," chanted backers of presidential candidate Mohamed Ali Halouani in a rare protest rally in Tunis. But plainclothes police outnumbered the dozens of demonstrators and blocked their way, witnesses said. The government is accused by some opposition parties and human rights groups at home and abroad of rights abuses. Witnesses said police did not beat or mistreat protesters yesterday as dissidents say they have done during past marches. The protests eventually dispersed peacefully. Halouani, a 47-year-old philosophy teacher, is competing against two other opposition candidates and incumbent Ben Ali, who took over in 1987 after replacing the then president-for-life Habib Bourguiba, the founder of modern Tunisia, after he was declared senile.
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An Estonian light infantry platoon attached to a US Army unit since June2003 is helping to establish peace and order in one of the troubled suburbs of Baghdad. The 32man platoon, wearing the blue, black & white flag of their small North European nation on their shoulders, is referred to in Estonia as ESTPLA. In Baghdad however US troops have nicknamed the Estonian team, the Stone Platoon. The calm and tenacious soldiers of the Stone Platoon are serving with 2-12 Cav of US 1stCavalry Division. Although 2-12 Cav is a tank battalion, the Estonians are using armored trucks for patrolling. By using these trucks the Stone Platoon believes it can observe the urban area more easily and identify suspicious activities more quickly. An added advantage is that the troops in the back of the truck have more immediate and personal contact with locals. Of course if the threat requires it, the battalion can provide heavy armor to support Stone Platoon's patrols. The 2-12 Cav (and Stone Platoon) area of responsibility is Abu Ghurayb, a market suburb in West Baghdad. Normal tasking for the Estonians involves patrolling in the area, both by truck and by foot, and setting up traffic checkpoints. In addition, Stone Platoon may be required to conduct search and arrest operations, and support the operations of other US units including Special Forces. During their missions, Estonian soldiers have detained a number of suspects, and have confiscated varying quantities of weapons, ammunition and IED components. One of the highlights for the Platoon was capturing a team of ACF that was preparing for a mortar attack. [snip]Much more at link. pdf file
Kuwaiti Islamist deputies plan to question Information Minister Mohammad Abolhassan for allegedly failing to protect morality and control music concerts, a senior Islamist MP said yesterday, piously.
Failure to protect morality? Oh, horrors! Oh, hold me, Ethel!
"There is a defect in the ministry's performance in protecting morality and the minister's supervision over the media is lacking and negative," said Waleed Al-Tabtabai. "The grilling is ready ... It will be submitted after the month of Ramadan," which ends on Nov. 14," Tabtabai, who is known for his morality campaigns and calls to observe strict Islamic rules, told reporters.
I don't ever want to hear anyone in this country mocking the Puritans again...
"We (parliamentarians) have seen no serious intention by the minister or any ministerial bodies to impose any regulations, for concerts or TV programs," Tabtabai said referring to programs he has condemned as "indecent".
"Those wimmin! They have titties! You can tell!"
Abolhassan came under fire earlier this year for allowing the staging of a pop concert by young stars of the Lebanese reality TV show Star Academy, which led the government to ban all forms of dance at concerts and requiring families and unaccompanied men to sit separately.
And the citizenry of Kuwait didn't rise up to mock Tabtabai and his fellows?
Tabtabai said fellow Islamist MPs Awwad Barad Al-Enezi and Faisal Al-Muslim would join him in the questioning. Tabtabai said the new rules were not being strictly implemented by the Information Ministry, prompting them to initiate the grilling. The quiz is likely to be backed by the Sunni Islamic Bloc, which consists of about 15 lawmakers in the 50-member house. It could lead to a no-confidence vote, which, if passed, would mean the automatic dismissal of the minister.
"Nope. Nope. We just can't have it. Next thing you know, people'll be smiling and singing and dancing... Allan knows where it'll end maybe even in bed!"
After several years of banning public concerts, Kuwait has recently resumed granting permits for well-known Arab pop singers despite opposition from Islamic MPs.
"Piss off, MPs! Give us a song or two, Cutie-pie!"
Islamists have also asked that unrelated men and women be seated separately at concerts by Arab singers held during a festival each February.
"What do you mean by 'separately'?"
"The men in Kuwait, the women in Jordan should do."
Over the last year Bahrain has also seen Islamist protests against pop concerts.
"Stop that unseemly frivolty and mirth!"
Some protests have turned violent. One outcry led to the cancellation of the Arabic version of reality TV show Big Brother that was being filmed in the Gulf state.
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A military judge jailed a US Army sergeant, described in court as a typical all-American boy, for eight years yesterday for sexually and physically abusing Iraqi prisoners. The sentence for Staff Sgt. Ivan "Chip" Frederick, 38, is by far the toughest of those handed down to three soldiers now convicted over abuses at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib Prison. Frederick, who sat impassively through the two-day court-martial at a US base in Baghdad, appeared shaken and looked at the floor after Judge Col. James Pohl announced his verdict, which included a dishonorable discharge and a demotion.
Tough nails, ain't it?
Defense counsel Gary Myers said the sentence was excessive and he would appeal. Frederick, the most senior soldier indicted in the scandal, pleaded guilty to five charges that included assault, committing an indecent act and dereliction of duty. The church-going father of two, who was a prison guard in civilian life, admitted helping tie wires to the fingers and private part of one prisoner and telling him he could be electrocuted, and forcing three hooded detainees to masturbate. In one of the most notorious of abuses committed last year and to which the charges were related, naked, hooded prisoners were also made to form a human pyramid while other military police posed for photographs with them. Two psychologists who testified for the defense described Frederick as an introvert who depended heavily on others and had a strong desire to please, which they said helped explain why he did not discipline his colleagues for abusing prisoners.
"He was a quiet boy. He liked bunnies and kittens. They never lived long, though..."
"Give me an image of the all-American boy and it's this young man," said San Francisco-based doctor Philip Zimbardo. "He is a wonderful young man who did these horrible things." Myers said that Frederick, who was in charge of the night shift at Abu Ghraib, was poorly trained for the chaotic conditions he encountered. The counsel argued that the military chain of command must bear some responsibility.
I don't think so. Much as we may occasionally joke about it here, sadism isn't part of the training. These guys were playing sex games, and they lost.
My sympathy meter actually gave a false positive reading, until I remembered how high a price tag came with that one night of debauchery.
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it's going to be a long 8 years for Mr. Panty Boy. I'm sure he'll be the defacto belle of the ball at Levenworth.
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I get a lot of things, but I do not get this guy going to jail. This guy was a prison guard in civilian life. There is no way he did all these things at a U.S jail. The reserves didn't teach him all these methods. I want to know why the contractor MI's are not going to jail. The MI's are the ones that taught him and ordered him to do things. I know the contractor MI's don't direct authority over him but happend in this case, is that Sgt. Frederick's CO's ordered him to obey the contractor MI's.
Here is what would help me. I need a real world experienced (possibly 10yrs or more) NCO here at RB to explain to me 1.why I am wrong? and 2.why this Sgt. is going to jail even for 1 day?
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PR, he earned jail time for acts unbecoming a Staff NCO. If these prisoners (no matter how bullshit I find this) were accorded the geneva convention then he needed to protect them from humiliation etc. To me, that's the key question, did we give non-uniformed combatants geneva rights? I heard we did. Second, he knocked up a junior soldier (Lyndie England) in his command. That's fraternization of the worst kind and earns him a lengthy brig stay. 8 yrs seemed excessive to me, I would of said 3 yrs and BCD for combo of geneva violations and banging a junior soldier in his chain of command.
You raise a good point that I've been unable to find out. What's the deal w/the MI's and what was their involvement? This bothered me from the get go. Was Frederick told by his CO to obey the MIs? If so, then all are culpable and should be prosecuted. What's right is right. I'm concerned that there might be witch-hunting of junior troops if the officers in the chain gave tacit approval to the so-called abuse. I say it's "so-called" because I could give a fuck how they made these pussies get in a naked pyramid. Much ado about nothing imho. BTW-fuck seymour hersch.
As far as Sgt. Frederick knocking up Lyndie, he broke quite a bit of military and moral laws. The report stated that he is "church-going". If he is a dedicated "father of two" and "church-going", what's he doing commiting adultery and/or fornication? Conversely, since I am not qualified to cast the first stone, I won't. That's between him and Jesus.
But, the truth of the matter is, there are all kinds of sexapade's going on in the military and everyone knows it. The Sgt. happened to get caught. Bottomline, in my opinion, he is just another casuality of "lower-level troop" scape goating. I am, like you, sick of it.
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They probaby won't know whose it is till they do the DNA test.
For the damage he did this country and its armed forces, I wouldn't have been unhappy if this guy saw the muzzle end of a firing squad.
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I thought Lynndie was carrying Graner's baby?
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I believe that the answer to this question is who knows? Until paternity tests are done we have no idea who fathered her child.
Recall that there were videotaped orgies going on with England and one other female soldier playing mattressback. Your guess as to who sired the child is as good as anybody elses.
PR- When looking at someones actions you can say that what theyr are doing is a sin, that is not judgemental. The fact that they are sinning is between them and God, you should not attempt to insert yourself in condemning them to Hell. Fact of the matter this guy knew better than to do what he did and now must not only face the music with the military, but with his family and his religion.
My only sympathy with this entire group is that they should have known better than to take pictures. Without pictures it would all just have been Urban Legend.
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I would also be interested in if the CO gave instructions for security to cooperate with MI on interregation techniques and follow their instructions. Even still, an E-6 is commonly in charge of a security detail/squad and should have reported the unusual techniques to his first sarge or his CO. Seems the whole security company was seriously lacking in leadership, training or both. Allowing picture taking and cameras in a secure facility without any control is the serious breach and the CO should take full reponsibility for that. 8 years? Well, again, Fredrick should have stopped that and thats what bought him the eight years. If no pictures were taken, he might have just gotten reprimanded if anything.
I think you need slowly read my response to Jarhead. Which part of my quote "Conversely, since I am not qualified to cast the first stone, I won't. That's between him and Jesus.", do you not understand?
BTW, I never used the word "hell", that's your word, not mine.
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..I had expected maybe 3 and a kick for Frederick, and I do consider 8 years a bit heavy - but on the other hand, people - prison guards or not - will think twice before doing ANYTHING that stupid again.
Mike
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Christians are commanded, via Paul, to note people who behave in a disorderly way and avoid them. That's a long ways from the stones in the hands of the people to which Jesus directed the phrase "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".
I discuss the entire incident as part of a larger discussion of Capital Punishment at my website here.
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Actually, Poison Reverse, the idiot had been up on charges several times at the prison where he worked for the same kind of behaviour. I remember reading about it here at Rantburg. I may be mistaken, but I think that the attitude that engendered these acts were what drove him out of the regular army in the first place. (Feel free to scroll through Rantburg's archives to find the details. Its been posted on more than once in the past year.)
You won't find a stronger defender of our military here at Rantburg than me -- as some of you know -- and for precisely that reason I think the punishment is more than appropriate.
At this rate, if the election is lost, this will be how ... see this E-mail posted on The Corner of National Review:
Michael [Graham],
Danny Devito and his wife held a Kerry rally at the ENTRANCE of a South County (Palm Beach) polling place today. They blocked the entrance for 20 minutes before my colleague protested."
He tells me the Democrat Party workers have been swarming the early polling sites in Florida, while the GOP has had a much smaller presence. He also says Democrats are regularly interfering with voters as they head to the polls, blocking access to parking and confronting clearly identified Republicans as they approach the polls.
Where's the GOP?
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Read carefully. Lots of meat in this article.
Judge Baltasar Garzon, who is also in charge of investigating suspected al-Qaeda activities in Spain, will take statements on Friday from 10 Algerian North African inmates of Spanish prisons believed linked to an alleged terror cell accused of planning to attack the country's top criminal court, the Audencia Nacional. He will also question Saturday eight Islamic extremists arrested Tuesday in connection with a planned attack on the court. Interior Minister Jose Antonio Alonso said Tuesday that the eight men arrested this week "were devising" an attack on the headquarters of the Audiencia Nacional or some other judicial body" in the Spanish capital. The Audiencia Nacional handles high-profile cases such as terrorism and drug trafficking. The suspects to be questioned Friday all hail from North African nations and have been placed in isolation. Investigators so far have turned up books belonging to one of the suspects that justify martyrdom, reinforcing the hypothesis that the group was planning a suicide attack. Justice Minister Juan Fernando Lopez Aguilar supported recommendations to isolate and separate Muslim extremist inmates, a measure he said would also cut down on the activities typical of organized crime.
Someone's caught on that you can't leave these guys in with the general population. Don't anybody tell Amnesty International.
Three of the men belong to Algeria's Armed Islamic Group and had already been charged in connection with the March 11 attacks in Madrid that left nearly 200 people dead. Six March 11 suspects, including the suspected cell leader, Allekema Lamari, killed themselves in early April as Spanish police surrounded their hideout. Judge Lopez also said Madrid will eventually seek the extradition of Mohammed Achraf from Swiss authorities. Achraf, currently jailed in Zurich, is believed to be the head of the terror cell broken up this week.
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Iberian Notes once posted that while Spain screamed about GTMO and Abu G., the other guys they caught before get 4 years in solitary before their case is tried, IIRC.
Israel's justice minister said yesterday far-right rabbis who urged soldiers to disobey orders to evacuate Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip risked provoking civil war and could face prosecution. Tensions over Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's withdrawal plan have risen ahead of a parliamentary vote next week that could make or break his government and show whether Israel is ready to cede occupied land for the first time in more than two decades. Joining an outcry against ultranationalist rabbis fiercely opposed to the plan, Justice Minister Yosef Lapid told Reuters: "We have reached the outer limits of our patience with statements that could pose a danger to public security." Sharon has vowed to remove all 21 settlements in Gaza and four of 120 enclaves in the West Bank by the end of 2005 to "disengage" from four years of conflict with the Palestinians. His plan has splintered his ruling coalition and polarized public opinion. Several prominent far-right rabbis have called on religious soldiers to refuse orders to remove settlers from occupied land that they see as Israel's by biblical birthright.
I'm having large trouble understanding the opposition to the withdrawal, possibly because I'm not an Israeli. To me, looking in from the outside, it seems brilliant.
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Its about means, achieving results and consequences. Withdrawal from Gaza potentially achieves certain results - primarily appeasing 'world opinion' especially the Euros. Were it to achieve this without significant negative consequences then I agree (with Fred) that its worth it. However, it appears it will have major negative consequences - more rockets, more terrorism, etc. If there is no real short term net benefit, then a good argument can be put forward for staying put and waiting to see what happens in the longer term. History by definition is full of unanticipated events.
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fred - well there are at least three considerations behind opposition to withdrawl
1. For some folks, settlement in the territiories isnt so much a pragmatic political act, as it is a religious act of redeeming the land. withdrawing from a settlement is a betrayal of a deeply religious impulse - its not so much the Far ultraorthodox who feel this was, as some of the "modern" orthodox in the settler movement, for whom the state of Israel, even with its secular components, is of messianic importance in redeeming the land.
1B. While some who hold view 1 dont value Gaza per se, they see this as setting a precedent for leaving large parts of the West Bank, where the strategic rationales for withdrawl are identical, but the religious/nstional/historical meaning of the places is greater.
2. The strategic rationale given for opposing withdrawl is that it rewards terrorism, and thus encourages it, a la the withdrawl from South Lebanon. That is why Sharon is going at such lengths to hit Hamas hard in conjunction with the withdrawl, to make clear this is NOT like South Lebanon, this is NOT a withdrawl under fire, but a positive strategic move. Hamas (and others) have an incentive, given that hes withdrawing anyway, to make it look like it IS a withdrawl underfire. Thats why the current miniwar of dead Hamas leaders versus Qassam rockets, terr attacks etc is SO important - it determines what the withdrawl looks like, and thus its strategic meaning.
3. To some degree its a matter of trust, internal politics, etc. For several decades Sharon and the Likud party have been the party of no withdrawl, of keeping the territories, ready to talk to the Pals at most about autonomy, etc. Now Sharon seems to be shifting them into a party that, like Labor, accepts territorial compromise, albeit with a tougher negotiating and war fighting strategy than Labor of today. That works fine for me, but for folks attached to the old vision of Israel, and of Likud, its a profound betrayal.
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Excellent itemization of positions, LH, thank you! Not certain I get it, especially where it is mainly emotional and generated from historical events, both large and small, which always seem to come into play even if rendered irrelevant by subsequent events. But, with this in mind, now I can look for the break points / ideological dividing lines. Appreciated!
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1. remember dot com, that for some it doesnt seem emotional. They can "prove", that its a violation of Jewish law to withdraw from one square inch of the land of Israel. That some might find alternate interpretations doesnt change the fact that their derivation is part of a legalistic process, and not seen as an emotional one, even if it has an emotional basis.
It gets largely to a vision of what Israel and Zionism are. To the founding Zionists, both socialist (labor Zionist) and anti-socialist(Revisionist) Zionism was secular, modernizing enterprise of practical benefit to the Jewish people. To traditional Ultraorthodox jews it was modernist blasphemy for humans to affect history like this, besides which Zionism was contaminated by its agnostics, "immorality", etc. Orthodox Zionists reconciled their zionism and their orthodoxy, by proclaiming that G-d works in mysterious ways, using agnostics to redeem the land messianically. Which meant they could accept the secular state BECAUSE it was advancing messianic goals. After 1967 the messianic goals became tied up very closely with land in the territories (which IS much more historically redolent - read the bible, and see how unimportant most of the land in pre-67 Israel is compared to the hill country of the West Bank). For the state, and especially for Likud the party of revisionist Zionism, the branch of secular Zionism that was friendliest to the messianic settlers, to withdraw, leads to a crisis in their entire view of Israel, and of Judaism, and of G-d. Imagine how some evangelists who see the US as the chosen nation would react if Dick Cheney and Donald Rumseld said, "ya know, theres nothing special about the US in history, we're a country like any other"
This is why things are getting scary. While only a few loonies are advocating violence, relatively mainstream Orthodox rabbis are telling Orthodox soldiers to violate orders to help uproot settlements. This would seem to suggest they are putting Torah law (as they see it) above the orders of a democratic govt, and suggests that the "social contract" between secular and (most) Orthodox Israelis is breaking down.
The religious trend that I belong to, Conservative (Masorti) Judaism, says that Israeli soldiers should obey government orders.
The movement in both Israel and the US has called for saying special prayers for the safety of Ariel Sharon. I REALLY like this last move, as it sticks it in the eye of both the settlers and their Orthodox sympathizers, AND the lefties (who vomit at the name Sharon) at one and the same time. Nicely nuanced, no?
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It'll take me a week to simply digest the players involved, lol! Wow - killer insights, LH. And I do appreciate the irony in your closer, heh. Sharon has seemingly (obviously?) evolved, as any intelligent leader should - facing changing conditions, while the leaders of the various power bases have not - as it would likely endanger their positions. Fascinating developmental line of reasoning - and definitely overwhelming!
I can tell I need a solid backup - got a book you'd recommend that will hit all the mountain-tops without descending into the mire of a single outlook or dogma? Something fairly balanced and real-world accurate?
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an excellent book on the different orthodox groups in Israel, why the ones who are moderate toward secular Israelis are fanatics on the territories,while the ones who are fanatics on religion are more flexible WRT Arabs, is "Conflicting Visions" by David Hartman. An excellent work, if slightly dated.
For an overall intro to Israel, history, politics, etc, "History of Israel" by Howard Sachar.
For a history of Zionism, Walter Laquer(sp?) is the standard source, I think.
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In the beginning Theodore Herzl said, let there be Zionism. And the Jews were all living in diaspora, and were either poor and ignorant in the east, or assimilating rapidly in the West. And Herzl said let there be a Zionist movement. And there was a Zionist movement, and it was good.
And then arose the Eastern Europeans, David Gordon, and Achad ha Am, and Ben Gurion, and many others, who were represented the poor, and wanted to transform the peddlars into farmers and workers, and wanted to redeem the world, and were influenced by Marx. And thus emerged Labor Zionism, and it was left, thus there was contention in the ranks of the Zionists. And those bourgeois and Western Zionists who were not Labor Zionists were called General Zionists.
And lo, arose a mighty man in the East called Jabotinsky and he sayeth - the people is alright, and need no transformation, just a nation, and he denounced the Marxists, and quasiMarxists, and went beyond the wimpy liberal General Zionists, and there was now a right wing Zionism. And it was "muscular" and "in your face" and many other things that rantburger would like.
And there were religious folk, who seeing there flocks defect to the Zionists, said we too are Zionists - and these were the Mizrahi Zionists.
And lo, the Labor Zionists were the most numerous, but the Lord in his wisdom divided them up, he set moderates against radicals, and divided them up into small squabling factions, only to have them rejoin in groupings so that they remained dominant. And the people said "thus is it ever with leftists"
And the state was independent, and it was good. And lo David Ben Gurion was the PM, and led the moderate Labour Zionists, and they were called Mapai, that is Labor. And lo, he wished neither to align with Herut, that is the Revisionists, whom he hated with passion, not with the Mapam, that is the Socialists, that is the radical wing of the Labor Zionists, for that they would make a stink about his mixed economy economics, and that they would object to open alliance with the West in the Cold War. And lo, he needeth coalition support, and Mafdal, that is the National Religious Party, that is the Mizrahi Zionists, said, only make the state observe the Sabbath, and not serve pork in state institutions, and provide gold for religion, and we careth not who you make alliance with in the cold war, nor how you organize the economy. And so coalition was made. As was also made with the Liberals, that is the General Zionists.
And it was good. And the Herut, and the Mapam, they steamed in opposition, but who careth?
And over time mistakes were made. The usual mistakes of arrogant pols, and some unique to Israel. and over time the Herut gained adherents, and Mapai lost them. And the liberals, lo, divided, into a left faction called the independent liberals, who stayed with Mapai, and the General Liberals, who joined with Herut in "Gahal". and lo, Mapai was in trouble. And so Mapai joined with Mapam, and it was called the Labor Alignment. And so it was.
And lo, as it said arabs cannot fight, and so the lands were occupied. And it was good. Except that the young among Mafdal, they became more right wing, and chafed at the alliance with Labor. and lo, some Labor politicians spoke of giving the territories back as part of a deal. And so even some of Labor background, like one Ariel Sharon, broke off to a small party that was socialist but refused to give up territory. And lo, his small party merged with Gahal,and thus was born the Likud.
And then Labor screwethed it up, and nearly lost the war in 1973. And so labor was vomitithed out by the electorate - and so was a new coalition, of likud with Mafdal. and lo, it has never been the same since.
The above is of course a VERY simplified version of Israeli politics up to about 1981.
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I've been trying to organize this into tables to post and see if I have it right -- for about 30 minutes! I surrender. I need a book so I can "ask" (look up) the bits that didn't make sense to me, lol!
It sounds like there have been 3 basic phases...
1) Mizrahi (religious), Mapai (labor), Herut (revisionist), Mapam (socialist)
2) Mafdal (religious), Gahal (lib right), Mapam (lib left)
3) Modern Likud (right), Liberals (left), Religious (duh!)
And 88 million nuances left out, lol! Regardless of my denseness, excellent style and info, LH! *Applause*
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Just out of curiosity, LH, is there any sense among Israelis that you know that, if the Pallies ever DO get around to being real negotiating partners and dropping all terrorist activity, a kind of donation of land by those settlers might turn out to be a blessing? It sounds outrageous, I know, but I am curious if that thought ever occurred...
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oh, dear, poor PD. its not nearly that simple. First let me apologize, its hard to keep things clear when one is being literary.
Mizrahi was a "movement" like Revisionist zionism - that meant it existed in the diaspora, in clubs, youth groups, etc, as well as in mandate palestine. Labor zionism of that period (pre-state 1920 to 1948) includes at close to a dozen different groupings, which varied on several issues, though primarily on how "red" they were - from the notion that they were essentially Zionists, who happened to want to limit capitalism, to the notion that the whole point of the enterprise was to establish an ideal society. Post 1948 its Herut, Liberals, Mapai and Mapam, plus Mafdal. Oh, and also some communists and ultraorthodox groups. Gahal is formed in 1965 IIRC. Post 1967 its roughly Gahal, Labour aligment, Independent Liberals, and Mafdal. But of course the Labour alignment is only an alignment, not a party. That means they Mapam and Mapai share a list in Israels prop rep system, but retain seperate organizations. Ditto for Liberals and Herut within Gahal, IIRC. Oh, and around 1962, Ben Gurion, who was no longer PM, found Labor too "left" and broke away to form his own small centrist party (which included Shimon Peres, no less) and then went BACK to Labor later. Indeed small centrist parties are always forming, then usually collapsing. Aside from the Ben Gurion group, and the Independent Liberals, there was Ratz (Arch secularist-feminist), dash (Good government, centrist) Shinuih (secularist good govt remnant of Chadash, which now has a distinct pro free market view - which by all rights should have been the Liberals turf, but the more right wings liberals (largely small business types ended up in the Likud patronage machine, shinui is more yuppie).
oh and then there is the far right. And the arab parties. including the arab communists, who have had an on and off relationship with the Jewish communists. Who have had a complex relationship with the far left of Mapam.
reasons its so complex.
1. Proportional representation
Its SO easy to start a new party, and get seats in the knesset, which can be bargained for goodies.
2. cross cutting loyalties -Mapam was historically both left of Mapai on economics and softer on the arabs. and more staunchly secularist.In recent years there are israelis who are soft on the arabs, but want nothing to do with socialism, and rump socialists who are no more pro-Arab than Mapai voters. Not to mention some leftists (and centrists) for who secularism is VERY important, and some who will bargain it away for security policy or economics. With parallel differences on the right. Oh, and the importance of personal ties in a small country, where the leaders all know each other, and were personal friends with the founders of their movements, or their country. Imagine if Dubyas father was a not just prez, but a pal of Alexander Hamilton, while Kerry had known Thomas Jefferson in his youth.
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Those Israelis I know who want a territorial compromise dont think much of the settlers, and dont expect them to "donate" anything (BTW, im not sure the settlers actually OWN the land - real estate law in Israel is a fairly complex thing, IIUC)
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Lol - I'll go back to "I surrender" and buy a book or three, heh. Thanx - it's 10x the party thingy. I'm sure the EUnuchs would love this shit. Sounds like just plain old shit to have 40 flavors of chocolate, to me!
The govt - Likud (right wing, secular but traditional, includes elements more commited to free market, and some not so much) Shinui - (centrist on national security, pro-free market, staunchly secularist) Mafdal (modern orthodox, right wing on security, flexible on economics)
"right opposition" Agudah - European ultraorthodox jews, very religious, fairly hawkish on security, flexible on economics, wont join a govt that has Shinui in it. Shas - Afro-Asian ultraorthodox Jews, flexible on security, commited to welfare for their poor constituents, very religious - wont site in govt with Shinui.
Two small secularist right wing parties that left govt when sharon moved towards withdrawl.
Left opposion - Labour - "liberal", centrist to moderate dovish on national security, moderately left on economics (though now includes small leftist faction) flexible on religion. Meretz (actually theyve changed their name, and brought in some more left renegades from Labor) Strongly dovish, secularist, moderately left on economics. Several arab parties.
Now both Mafdal and Likud are divided on the withdrawl. Mafdal is slipping out of the govt, though there are still a few cautious types who want to stay in, to influence from the inside. If labor joins, theyre gone. About half of Likud is very unhappy, but they also know that without Sharon at the helm, they lose seats. They follow Bibi (hardline, profree market) and are trying to have it both ways. Likud though not religious, is "traditional" and would be very uncomfortable in a coalition with secularists without at least one religious partyu on board.
Labor is pro-withdrawl. Some are itching to get back into the govt, others are more reluctant.
Meretz wouldnt vote against the withdrawl, but distrusts the strategy (they WANT to talk to the Pals) and WONT join the govt. Labor-Likud-Shinui govt would have enough votes, but Likud wouldnt like being in it. Shas could be brought on board for sufficient bribes, but Shinui would have problems with that.
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Whoa - a current Rosetta stone of Israeli politics!
This thread goes in my perm bookmarks, now. That last comment is what I was looking for so I could make sense of the headlines - and the various reactions. The Gaza pullout, being the topic at hand: how each faction was reacting was incomprehensible. Using the thread in toto, it should make sense. I've gotta read this slowly and carefully, then re-read the story.
MASSIVE THANX, LH! You've earned a pass for the rest of the year from me. You can even tell people I'm crude and rude if you want, lol, not that you've hesitated in the past!
Take Bibi - hes a secular guy, but friendly to the religious. Hes hardline, though he wasnt always seen that way. Hes pro-free market. But above all, hes deep Herut, with an abiding hatred for Labor and the Israeli left. He was brought up in the US, although his dad was a fervent Zionist. Ya know why? His dad who was a prof of Jewish history couldnt get a job at an israeli univ. according to bibi and his friends cause the dad was herut, and Ben Gurion made sure no one who was herut got any job he had any influence over. Its personal, and its deep.
Sharon, OTOH, was brought up on a kibbutz. he didnt break with labor till after 1967, essentially ONLY over security policy. He doesnt have the deep Herut roots, and he doesnt have the deep animosity to Labor (though he DOES have deep animosity to Arafat)
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What's the name of the guy who emigrated from Russia. Ultra-hard right, proponent of settlements, quoted fairly often in MSM. Speaks good English with slight Russian accent. Prolly in one of the hard religious groups. He seems to be a touchstone, pivot-type, who helps swing alliances in and out of power.
wasnt always seen as quite so right wing. Led party of Russian immigrants (though ISTR they merged into Likud recently) Most Russian immigrants are secular, and his party tried to stay in the center on religious issues, though Sharanskys wife is orthodox. I dont know Sharanskys position on Gaza - I suspect hed support it, on the strategic basis that moves Fred. OTOH I could see him playing games between Bibi and Sharon.
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Secular - oops, had him tagged backasswards! He sure is a favorite for quotes among MSM - especially CNN. I used to be a captive audience for CNN / MSNBC (because the Saudi Satellite system, Orbitz wouldn't carry Fox) and saw him many, many times. They always seemed to pose him or Peres and the voice of moderation when they were slamming Sharon.
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as of April 24 of this year, he was opposed to disengagement. Oh, and his party (israel b'aliyah - Israel on the ascent, or Israel in immmigration - its a pun in Hebrew) DID merge into Likud. Oh, and while his party is secular, its true he leans religious FOR a Russian immigrant. Again its complex. Theres bitterness between the Russians and Shas, (many of whose poor constituents resent the successful Russians) and which used their control of the Interior Ministry to make problems for Russians. Mafdal OTOH (and i should call in NRP, as the anglo press in Israel does) is not at all mean to the Russians, so he works well with NRP.
But its silly (NOW) to consider him more moderate than Sharon.
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So he's recently been migrating (heh) toward the Sharon Gaza play? Personally, I thought the Gaza idea was an obviously brilliant tactical move the minute I digested its implications.
What has made a near-hash of everything, of course, is the geographical separation of Gaza and West Bank Arab areas. Phreakin' UN lunacy. The descendents of Sykes & Picot should be offered up to Israel as sacrifical lambs, lol!
Man, this is too much to absorb all at once. Gotta re-read this thread 8 or 10 times, lol!
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ya want your head to spin read this
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/492060.html
I like the fact that she notes that there are two leftist factions protesting FOR the withdrawl, one of which calls for talks with the Pals, one of which doesnt, and BOTH are headed by the same leftist pol - as the reporter says, "thats the way it is on the left" :) !!!!
Why not do it? Assuming YOU dont want any withdrawl from the West Bank (not my position, but the position of the settler movement and their supporters) you have to ask if you trust Sharon - is this a move to SOLIDIFY control on the West Bank, or to lead to further withdrawl? Which is more important, strategic overstretch and conserving military resources, or maintaining the consistency of your position. Folks on the far right, not surprisingly, are more concerned with consistency of legal and moral position than with counting costs. and then there is the gut image - Jews expelling Jews. Why should Gaza be Jew free they ask, with all the overtones of that. (Yah, well we know theyre not interested in living in Gaza as citizens of Palestine - OTOH its pretty clear that not wanting to do so is pretty sensible)
I mean I certainly dont agree with them - you can imagine, PD, how diametrically opposite their approach to politics and the world is to my own. But I kinda understand where theyre coming from.
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theres alot i dont know. I really dont know what Sharon intends to do in his heart of hearts - if the withdrawl is to strenghten Israels hand for negotiations, or to avoid them. It dont bother me, cause i dont see negotiations on the offing anyway.
I also dont know if what we get is A. A takeover by Dahlan. B. A takeover by Hamas, or an Arafat - Hamas coalition or C. Total chaos. All of which have different strategic implications.
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As I said, I need to digest a LOT before I'll even have a clue regards the internal machinations of Israeli politics, BUT (lol!) that doesn't prevent me from having an opinion, which is:
1) There will never be a negotiated settlement that holds, Period.
2) If Iran is defanged, and Israel builds the wall, and I don't really care what line it follows, Green or otherwise, as long as it is finished - Israel will gain about a decade of relative peace and the Paleos will descend into cycles of chaos. Who cares who rules, I sure don't and believe it won't matter - as long as they do it to themselves, not Israelis.
3) When the WMD's finally escape the bounds and are loosed within Arab states, what will follow will be genocide, in fits and spurts. It is likely that the bad guys will get the first shot in, cuz someday someone willing to use it will get it without anyone being the wiser in advance.
a) So the bad guys will hit Israel with some WMD
b) Israel will respond - massively - and eliminate the source - forever.
Repeat every few years or so, until there is either no more Israel or no more sources from which to attack Israel.
Meanwhile, the same process will probably apply to the US vs Islam. Increasing odds of success until it happens, a flurry of figuring out who and where - then massive retaliation. Repeat until no one is stupid enough to do it again.
Both are semi-genocide situations, in effect. I see the US and Israel as the primary bastions against Islamic insanity. Israel is, geographically, so small that it can't take many area-denial hits and still exist as a viable entity - so its retaliatory strikes must actually be greater and more intense than those of the US.
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I reluctantly agree with you, .com. I see our ops in Iraq and the attempt at change there a last best effort in turning around the oil-rich but good sense poor ME. The arabs project everything on Israel as their boogieman. If somewhat peaceful change does not happen in the oil-rich states of the ME, than it will be massively self destructive. Nobody thinks about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the effects that ONE bomb each did. That should have been lesson enough. I am afraid that humankind will have to learn again, and my guess that it will be relearned in Iran or Pakistan.
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U.S. warplanes have pounded and obliterated suspected weapons storage sites in Falluja, according to the U.S. military. Doctors at Falluja General Hospital said the Friday assault killed at least six people. The U.S. military said it had no reports of casualties. The airstrike was another Marine assault on targets in the Sunni Triangle city, considered a terrorist and insurgent stronghold. Marines have been launching airstrikes on Falluja for weeks, and the latest assault comes during a stepped-up U.S. and Iraqi air and ground campaign that began last week. Interim government officials are warning that there will be a full-scale offensive against the Abu Musab al-Zarqawi network and other fighters if citizens fail to hand militants to authorities. But the activity in Falluja came as an influential Sunni leader -- Sheikh Fakhri al-Qasi speaking for the Al-Shura Society for the Sunni people -- warned U.S.-led forces not to conduct an offensive in the city and said such an assault would meet stiff opposition.
"We shall have Dire Revenge!"
In overnight action, troops saw 20 armed terrorists people toting crates of ammo and equipment from one storage area to another building in Falluja about 10 p.m. Thursday. Fifteen minutes later, Marines fired precision-guided bombs at a building and obliterated it, causing secondary explosions. Ten minutes after that assault, warplanes took out the second building, and that caused a number of prolonged secondary explosions. Earlier Thursday, Marines said they fought with "several groups of terrorists insurgents" from the outskirts of Falluja.
I wonder if the actual assault on Fallujah will be rather anti-climatic -- the Marines are reducing everything worth reducing beforehand.
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But the activity in Falluja came as an influential Sunni leader -- Sheikh Fakhri al-Qasi speaking for the Al-Shura Society for the Sunni people -- warned U.S.-led forces not to conduct an offensive in the city and said such an assault would meet stiff opposition.
Enough of this BS. Send in the cavalry and cut these bastards down where they stand, one after another. Let's see just what kind of "opposition" they have to offer.
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Sure. But first, we'll take away a lot of their dangerous toys. And a few of them along the way, just to make the point.
The goal here is to support the interim government and make elections both possible and reasonably representative. We all know we could flatten the city any time we choose to - militarily, that is, we can do it. And it's frustrating to wait and to pull back.
But keep the big game in mind. We win when signficant progress is made towards a stable, representative government in Iraq. Fallujah, annoying and dangerous as it is, is just a tactical step along the way to that goal. Battle discipline is all in these situations. We're playing for bigger stakes than just a town with tradition of generations of lawlessness, plus the outside thugs and fanatics.
Divide and conquer. It's going on now -- both the dividing and the conquering -- in Fallujah.
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I can only assume the secondary explosions are from highly flammable baby ducks and bunnies
Meanwhile, Jordanian Prime Minister Faisal Al-Fayez will reshuffle his Cabinet in coming days to strengthen his hand in tackling a vocal Islamist opposition, while keeping pro-Western reformists in place, officials said yesterday. Several ministerial posts will be eradicated in the reshuffle expected to affect at least 10 ministries in the 20-member Cabinet, which includes three women ministers, officials said. They said pro-reformists would remain in office. Officials say a new reshuffled Cabinet could be sworn in as early as tomorrow and will help Fayez counter the Islamist opposition with 17 seats in a tribal Parliament.
Fayez, the son of a tribal leader with traditionally close ties to the monarchy, was appointed from within the palace entourage, unlike past premiers drawn from the civil service. The expected revamp is seen as an attempt to revitalize the Cabinet after criticism by liberal Jordanians for its failure to make the sweeping political and economic liberalization changes they wanted in the new post-Iraq war climate. With rising bloodshed in neighboring Iraq and across the kingdom's western borders, Fayez is worried Islamists will step up a campaign to incite attacks on its pro-Western polices and whip up anti-US sentiment that could encourage violence.
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If at all.
Perhaps only as an element of a strings of events that would reshape ME.
The last senstence is loosely related to the previous one in the second paragraph. Sounds more like an unfilfulled yet prophecy ("I tolda'ya while back, dat's what dey would do, dat's why we have to whack'em now").
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Well if he is worried about restless natives he could send all the rest of Palestinians there to Lebanon I am sure they have plenty of friends and family there. Safer for him.
The Jordanian authorities yesterday sent to trial before the State Security Court 20 Egyptians and Bengalis whom Amman said were arrested earlier this month while trying to infiltrate into Syrian territory from Jordan, according to the official Petra news agency. Petra did not give further details as to the indictment list, and it was not clear so far whether the defendants intended to infiltrate into Syria for work or for proceeding to Iraq later to join the resistance raging there against US-led multinational forces. The United States has repeatedly accused Syria of facilitating the infiltration of Muslim and Arab militants to Iraq for joining the Jordanian fugitive Abu Mussab Zarqawi, who is widely believed to be the mastermind of most of attacks against US troops and the allied Iraqi police force.
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A French citizen has been identified among insurgents killed by US forces in Iraq, a French newspaper reports. The 19-year-old, named as Redouane, is said to have died in a US air raid on Falluja on 17 July, says Le Figaro. He is the first French national known to have died fighting against the US-led coalition. Tunisian-born Redouane, who belonged to an Islamic group in France, is thought to have travelled to Iraq from his home in Paris via Syria earlier this year. His brother Boubakeur, 21, who travelled with him, was arrested by Syrian officials and remains in custody. Le Figaro says the radical Islamic group frequented by the brothers was investigated earlier this year in the western Paris suburb of Levallois-Perret. The paper says its sources know of two other French nationals in Falluja and believe around 10 others have travelled to Iraq. Most are thought to be men of Tunisian origin who had been living in Paris. France, which opposed the US-led war against Saddam Hussein, has no troops in Iraq.
No troops on our side at any rate.
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It's a start.
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France, which opposed the US-led war against Saddam Hussein, has no troops in Iraq.
You mean, had no troops. As Prime Minister Raffarin said to Le Figaro's editors, "The Iraqi resistance are our best allies."
A bull moose was suspended 50 feet in the air after its antlers became tangled in a power line under construction southeast of Fairbanks. The incident happened on October 5 on the Pogo Mine Road. The moose apparently became tangled in electrical wires while the line, under construction to the Teck Pogo gold mine about 80 miles southeast of Fairbanks, was close to the ground. Workers noticed something wrong after tightening the line, and backtracked to find the moose hanging by its antlers.
"Hummm, I don't recall that being there before."
The moose was alive when it was lowered to the ground, but Department of Fish and Game officials decided to kill it rather than tranquilize it before removing the wires. Officials say they were worried the stressed moose would die and the drugged meat would not be salvageable.
Lunch is now being served.
"The only unfortunate part is we had to shoot the moose," said Gabriel Marian, president of City Electric Inc., the contractor erecting the power line to the mine. "It would be more of a feel-good story if we had let it down and it ran off."
"But this is Alaska, winter is coming and my freezer is empty."
The moose may have weighed as much as 1,200 pounds. Dave Davenport, a technician for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game in Delta Junction, said he is trying recover the antlers.
This would be the Alaskan version of a car swarm.
"My guess is he was in full rut and probably seen that line moving out there," and decided to fight, said Marvin Pickens, line construction manager for City Electric in Anchorage.
Horny, ready to jump anything that moved, sounds like my years in Alaska.
Crews can lay up to five miles of line at a time before tightening it with a giant hydraulic winch, said Pickens. The line is pulled through leaders on the crossties at the top of the power poles and then winched tight with as much as 5,000 pounds of pressure, he said. "As you're pulling, it constantly droops up and down," said Pickens. "My guess is that he was right in the middle of one of the sections when it got pulled up." The moose was likely suspended in the air for only a matter of minutes before workers investigated and found it, Marian said. It was tangled in static, the half-inch cable that is strung up next to the power lines to serve as a lightning rod, said Pickens.
Moose fishing, next on Fox.
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1-4 lbs. moose roast
3-4 strips bacon
1 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. pepper
1/2 tsp. cinnamon
1/4 tsp. ground cloves
1 tsp. dry mustard
4 tbsp. brown sugar
2 1/2 cups water
1/2 cup white wine vinegar
2 tbsp. chopped onions
3 tbsp. flour
1 cup cranberry juice
1 cup milk
Remove fat from moose and wipe well with clean cloth.
Lard the roast as follows - cut bacon into 2" strips, pierce the roast with a sharp knife at 2 " interval and insert bacon into holes - place roast into glass or earthenware bowl .
Mix the following ingredients and pour over roast.
Cover and marinate roast for 24 to 48 hours in the refrigerator.
Turn roast often if marinate does not cover completely.
Marinate - salt, pepper, cinnamon, cloves, mustard, brown sugar, water and vinegar -remove roast from marinate and place in covered roaster at 350 degrees for approximately 1 hour
Add onion flakes, cranberry juice and continue cooking roast until tender, approximately 1 more hour
When cooked, remove from pan to hot platter.
Add flour to pan dripping and cook for 5 minutes
Add milk, stirring constantly until gravy is desired thickness.
Two French journalists abducted in Iraq mark their 65th day in captivity on Friday, with an agonising uncertainty persisting over the pair's fate despite intense diplomatic efforts for their release. Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot were seized along with their Syrian driver Mohammed al-Jundi on August 20 on the highway between Baghdad and the Shiite holy city of Najaf. France, taken aback that French nationals were potential kidnap victims despite its stringent opposition to the US-led invasion of Iraq, embarked on a string of efforts to locate the hostages and obtain their liberation. But despite calls from French leaders, Arab satellite television stations, and Iraqi clerics for their release, the pair remain in the hands of their captors.
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Still have their heads? It pays to be French sometimes, sorta... In this case, it seems, the pay offered has been sufficient to peak interest, but insufficient to consummate a deal. I guess the UNSCAM gig was blown a little early. Mebbe Yippie-boy will help...
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Mabrunot and Chesnot probably are in their second round of job interviews. These aren't choirboys...These are hard lined, anti-semitic, pro-palestinian pro-Arab supporters. Chances are they were kidnapped quite by accident because they were hanging out near a US camp.
I'll make a bet that they are currently putting together a documentary/propoganda film at this very moment...with the appreciation, approval, and cooperation of their murderous hosts. Any takers?
âWhy were we condemning terrorism? Why were we not totally espousing the Palestinian position? We must put pressure on the Jewish state without showing any understanding and making any compromises.â---Georges Malbrunot
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Nice allusion at the end of the Olivier Guitta piece to France, like Chamberlain, wanting to avoid terrorism and preserve honor and instead getting terrorism and dishonor.
From The New York Times
As recently as January 2004, a top Defense Department official misrepresented to Congress the view of American intelligence agencies about the relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda, according to a new report by a Senate Democrat. The report said a classified document prepared by Douglas J. Feith, the under secretary of defense for policy, not only asserted that there were ties between the Baghdad government and the terrorist network, but also did not reflect accurately the intelligence agencies' assessment - even while claiming that it did. ....
The 46-page report by Senator Levin and the Democratic staff of the Armed Services Committee is the first to focus narrowly on the role played by Mr. Feith's office. .... Mr. Levin began the inquiry in June 2003, after Republicans on the panel, led by Senator John W. Warner of Virginia, declined to take part. He said his findings were endorsed by other Democrats on the committee, but complained that the Defense Department and the Central Intelligence Agency had declined to provide crucial documents.
In a statement, the Pentagon said the Levin report "appears to depart from the bipartisan, consultative relationship" between the Defense Department and the Armed Services Committee, adding, "The unanimous, bipartisan Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report of July 2004 found no evidence that administration officials tried to coerce, influence or pressure intelligence analysts to change their judgments." Senator Warner said, "I take strong exception to the conclusions Senator Levin reaches." He said his view was based on the Intelligence Committee's "analysis thus far of the public and classified records."
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It is time for a serious purge over at CIA. This is happening because the previous administration politicized the agencies.
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the NY Times should know - they've made a living misrepresenting intel assessments for over 100 years
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Carl Levin is an idiot,an ideologue and a ranting nincompoop.
That report is the biggest most transparent piece of fabricated, "lets tar the president on Iraq (again)" piece of tripe that has ever been produced by a Senate committeee.
How do complete morons like Levin keep getting elected?
SR71 has it right the CIA is full of political hacks, dems at that, notice all the anti bush stuff in the press oozing our from under the doors at Langley??? Get the idea that the CIA is playing politics............and supporting a guy that wanted to cut their budget in half..........
Holy Cow Feces Batman, this is really really almost laughable.
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it is not clear whether Mr. Husseinâs government harbored Mr. Zarqawi during his time in Iraq before the war
um, excuse me? So "Mr" Zarqawi was in fact in Iraq before the war, but it's not clear that Saddam "harbored" him??
Zarqawi needed an operation for his leg, and one of Saddam's hospitals provided it. The notion that Saddam did not know of the presence of one of the world's most dangerous terrorists, and did not support him in his attacks on Kurds and his assassination of US diplomoat Larry Foley, is laughable.
Cincinnati's headquarters for the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign was broken into overnight. Money and a sign were taken from the office, on Seventh Street near Court Street. The thieves got in by breaking out a window. The office was also ransacked, officials said. It also houses other Republican organizations. No one had been arrested.
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It's only a matter of time until somebody gets killed. And then there will be some Democrat spokesman to shrug it off. Are we sinking into anarchy?
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Yeah - this one was about the money, I'll bet - and hoping to use the others (political) as cover. Eventually something worse than a broken arm, if this continues. There is no shame left anywhere in DhimmidickLand.
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So, does somebody get killed before or after Nov 2? If there's a big slide in the polls towards Bush, I'm betting one or more leftist lunatics gets murderous before the election.
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October 22, 2004, 8:24 a.m. Kerry's DilemmaOr, how to lose an election.
There is a good chance that no matter what Kerry says or does in the final two weeks of this election — barring some major catastrophe in Iraq, a presidential gaffe, or massive voting irregularity — he will lose. And he may well take much of the Democrats' remaining control of government down with him. After all, Putin wants Bush, while Arafat prefers Kerry — and that is all we need to know. But besides the obvious concerns of national security and Kerry's own failure in any honest fashion to offer a coherent and principled alternative course of action to defeat the terrorists, there are more subtle, insidious factors at play that will, I think, preclude his election.
I thought John Kerry clearly won the first debate, lost the second, and did worse in the third. Most Americans, however, apparently disagreed, since many polls showed that respondents thought Kerry won all three. We hear of mayhem daily in Iraq; news on the economic front is mixed; and an entire host of surrogates has defamed George Bush in a manner not seen in decades during a political campaign. Why, then, does Kerry gain little traction, trail in most polls, and perhaps even start to slip further? After all, he is a hard campaigner, has a razor-sharp memory, speaks well, looks statesmanlike at times, raises lots of money, and has a mobilized base working hard for his election.
At least six reasons come to mind that have little to do with issues or substance, but everything to do with style, character, and judgment. First, he comes across, perhaps unfairly so, as an unfriendly sort. He seems to confirm to flyover America that the Ivy League East Coast is a cold place of holier-than-thou privileged reformers who live one life but advocate another. Kerry is a pleasant man, but he nevertheless presents himself as a ponderous aristocrat. His oratory, for all his undeniable mastery of facts and classical rhetorical tropes, is too often humorless, condescending, and pedantic. His photo opportunities that showcase hunting vests or windsurfing look forced, and they lack the natural ease of George Bush on the stump, twanging with his sleeves rolled up. Thus while Kerry does well in debates, he in some sense does not do well, since Americans feel he is either their smug professor or cranky grandfather, peeved that he had to descend from Olympus to impart knowledge to the less gifted. Somehow most would rather be wrong with Bush than right with Kerry.
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English should be made compulsory for all French schoolchildren, according to an official report which appeared yesterday to howls of outrage from politicians and teaching unions.
Sacre Bleu!
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Jacques Myard, an MP from the ruling UMP [Chirac's] party, said that English would be displaced as the world's most-spoken language because of growing competition from Spanish and Chinese. "If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic," he said.
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"If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic," he said.
He then wiped the fecal residue from his tongue and lips.
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Note that this maroon is from the right-of-center party in France. Forget the rhetoric: for the French elites, this is all about winning muslim votes. Given the corrupt and inbred nature of the French political class, we can expect more of the same in future years.
As regards middle east policy, France will tilt toward the jihadists regardless of who occupies in the Elysee Palace.
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And another thing. English isn't the world's most spoken language and has never been. I believe Mandarin claims that spot.
However, English is the language of aviation, banking, medicine, science, etc. You know, areas that Arabic culture hasn't contributed to in about 600 years.
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I believe the distinctions go this way. Mandarin is spoken by more people in the world. Spanish is the dominant language of the most nations in the world. English is spoken by people in more countries throughout the world (as first and/or second language).
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DB - I would feel the same way if it weren't for the lucky fact that I didn't take French until my Freshman year in college - and dropped the class to minimize conflicts of interest... I was sleeping with the 25 yr old Prof, heh. Her French was awesome!
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It's a great language and has a great literature full of examples of clear thinking, courage and heroism. France's problem is of recent origin and has to do mainly with a corrupt and desiccated elite. That can change; let's hope it does.
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My degree is in French-it's very depressing to note that I won't likely be using it as a tool of cooperation in the foreseeable future. OTOH, I shouldn't get too depressed-when I look at the demand for Arabic right now (the language spoken by so many of our current enemies) and at the state of French-US relations, I can take comfort in the thought that my skills may be in demand again in my lifetime. Sigh.
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"The spacecraft has apparently been taken over â "conqured" if you will â by a master race of giant space Arabs. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive French men or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; the Arabs will soon be here. And I for one welcome our new Islamic overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality I could be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves." â Kent Brockman (paraphrased)
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No language is ever useless -- if only because it gives one new ways to think about things, and grows new connections between the brain cells. Literally! I studied Flemish for one year -- my mother teases me that it isn't even proper Dutch. But being able to say 'Ik wil dat ook doon' (I'll do that, too), and almost not giggling as the words come out of my mouth, makes every minute worthwhile. RWV, you can curse in Russian, knowledge that was kept from me because the university kept cancelling the class (not enough students signed up, darn it).
Y'know, if the French students all are taught Arabic, they'll be able to read the Koran in the original, and then its much less likely they'll be fooled by talk of "the religion of Peace." And the alphabet is stunningly beautiful.
Hamas announced Thursday a competition for composing an official anthem for the movement. The deadline for submission of entries is in December.
Activists say the anthem will be sung at the movement's rallies and will compete with the famous Palestinian anthem "Biladi Biladi", identified with the PLO. Since its founding, Hamas has made use of many songs, but none of them has been adopted as an official anthem.
"In recognition of the role of an anthem in expressing principles, hopes and ideas, and the manner in which it can lend voice to the will to confront danger and defend Palestinian life and land, and make every possible sacrifice, the Hamas movement will sponsor the project of creating an anthem that expresses its unique outlook. The anthem will stand side by side with the Palestinian national anthem," the movement said.
Hamas activists have also defined the qualifying criteria: the lyrics and refrain should be "patriotic, underscoring the connection to all of Palestine, and the anthem should also be characterized by faith, and belonging to the Islamic movement."
In addition, the organizers require the hymn to be written in classical Arabic. The wording should be lofty and yet catchy, and the anthem should also not exceed six stanzas. One of the stanzas must be "cathartic," and have the "natural cadences of a refrain." The competition guidelines allow composers to submit more than one entry.
'Osama is our hero!'
Quoted in daily Insaf, Mufti Kifayatullah, senior adviser to the chief minister NWFP and secretary information of MMA, stated that in the eyes of his party and government Osama bin Laden was a hero. He cautioned that Mr Mushahid Hussain secretary general of the PMLQ should be careful in calling him an enemy of the Muslims on TV. He said the rulers of Pakistan first earned dollars by inviting the mujahideen to fight jihad; they once again got paid by the Americans by getting the mujahideen killed. He said Osama bin Laden was a Muslim in the real sense. He appealed that Faisal Saleh Hayat should be removed as federal interior minister. He said he was not physically in touch with the Taliban but his party was bound ideologically with the Taliban.
'This man is corrupt!'
Writing in Jang Nazeer Naji stated that British High Commissioner met National Security Council adviser Mr Tariq Aziz and told him that one political head of a government department was involved in smuggling Pakistanis illegally to the UK and that his people were receiving Rs 5 lakh as bribe from each illegal traveller and sending it up to the department chief. The UK High Commissioner had then met Chaudhry Shujaat and bluntly told him that the man was corrupt. Finally when he met President Musharraf and told him the truth he was told that investigation was on and that some step would be taken soon. The columnist expected that in the new cabinet of Mr Shaukat Aziz the man would be dropped.
Kargil decision was right!
Ex-ISI chief General (Retd) Javed Nasir wrote in Nawa-e-Waqt that within one hour of becoming army chief General Pervez Musharraf posted six lieutenant generals including one who was corps commander Chaklala (general Aziz). This man had been presenting the Kargil Operation to prime ministers and had done so in 1989 to Ms Bhutto who had rejected it. But as the best instructor of the War Wing in National Defence College, Musharraf knew that if Pakistan tried to recapture Siachen from India, the latter would be incapable of resisting the Pakistani operation. He was right in this assessment.
Cost of hajj
Writing in Jang, Javed Chaudhry said that in the year 2004 181,000 Pakistanis will go for hajj to Saudi Arabia. These people will pay Rs 1.05 lakh each as hajj fee. In all, a sum of Rs 19 billion 18 crore and 15 lakh will paid by those wishing to go to hajj. Yet the country was full of people who were not even poor because they lived below the poverty line and did not have enough food to eat.
Population born jails
Column Sarerahe in Nawa-e-Waqt quoted Maulana Fazlur Rehman as saying in a seminar that very soon the NWFP province will allow prisoners to have the company of their wives. The maulana was very happy that Pakistan would soon have a special population born in jails.
99% wine-drinkers are Muslim
Quoted in Khabrain, owner of Murree Brewery 66-year old MP Bhandara stated that 99 percent of those who drank his alcoholic beverages were Muslims although the country allowed sale of his products only for the consumption of non-Muslims. He said his product was in competition with foreign brands which were smuggled because the government did not allow their import. Bootleggers sold Scotch whiskey going around in Mercedes cars and no one could stop them. Foreign brands of alcohol were being smuggled from China and India. Murree Brewery was set up in 1860 by the British but consumption was banned by prime minister Bhutto, after which General Zia further tightened the laws against drinking. Mr Bhandara said he was trying to export his products to Indian restaurants in the UK.
Fraud in the name of Islam
According to Khabrain, a company named SN International in Thokar Niaz Beg in Lahore started business as jihad against the un-Islamic practice of riba (bank interest). It told its clients that they could take loans from the company to buy consumer goods without paying any interest on the borrowed sum. The company did roaring business while its owner Prof Nasrullah made fiery speeches in favour of Islam. It accumulated Rs 40 million after which the owners absconded from the scene. It now came to light that the Islamic company owed large amounts of money to consumer goods sellers and to the 'members' who had bought its membership.
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Damn! How is that possible? Next thing you'll be telling me is 99% of wine drinkers are Muslim.
On Thursday night, an antiwar protestor in Milwaukee spit on a returned Iraqi war veteran, Marine Major Jerry Boyle. Boyle is a Republican candidate for Congress in Milwaukee. Boyle served in Operation Iraqi freedom and was posted to Baghdad shortly after the invasion. Although he is an underdog in the race, he has shown up for every campaign forum, where he's won high marks for his civility and willing to face hostile audiences...
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And the gutless little turd didn't even have the stones to admit it when confronted.
Mjr Boyle is a serious man, composed, restrained, and tolerant. He is also worth an infinite number of cretins like the twit spitter, who needed to be handled by his teacher, thus still a child, regardless of his age.
Kudos to Mjr Boyle - and may he win his election, despite the odds against him.
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That bastard, my little brother is coming home for a 10 day leave for the birth of his child from El-shithole next week. The youngest "Jersey" Jarhead would make a mess out of anyone who tried that nonsense with him, but only after I got to show that little pussy a thing or 2.
What's up is down and what's down is up, and yes, I do realize they FINALLY elected a pubbie after 50 years of statehood. Via Bros. Judd:
Often dismissed as too small, too isolated and too Democratic to worry about in presidential contests, Hawaii suddenly has a close race. Democrats say Sen. John Kerry still has an edge over President Bush in the contest for Hawaii's four electoral votes, but the race has become awfully tight for their comfort. With late poll closings - 11 p.m. EST on Nov. 2 - and a slow count, Hawaii politicians are talking about offering a dramatic conclusion to what could be an ultra-close national election. "We may make the difference," said Linda Chu Takayama, campaign manager for Democratic Sen. Daniel Inouye, who is all but assured of victory in his own race for an eighth term. "Surprise, surprise. The polls I've seen show it up and down but always within the margin of error."
The only statewide media poll, more than two months ago, showed Kerry leading Bush, 48-41. Private polling reviewed by strategists for both Kerry and Bush more recently suggests the race is still that close. Hawaii may not be a big-vote, difference-making tossup state like Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania, but the race is remarkable in a state Democrat Al Gore won by 20 percentage points in 2000 - and one that has been solid blue on most election maps. Democratic strategists in Washington privately admit they have neglected Hawaii, but no more. They have dispatched political operatives to shore up Kerry's support and believe the race is now about as close as Washington state and Oregon, two long-standing battlegrounds that both parties think are leaning toward Kerry. (Does HI have a ban gay marriage proposal on the ballot???)
Open campaigning for the presidency is just getting started in the islands. The first major rally for Kerry and Sen. John Edwards was Friday near the state Capitol. Campaign signs for Bush and vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney are just now popping up along roadsides. Local candidates in leis line major thoroughfares and freeway entrances with their own signs in Hawaii's colorful honk-and-wave style of campaigning. But during the campaign no major national political figure, much less Bush or Kerry, has set foot in the state, 4,800 miles from Washington. "They're going to rely on us to carry the election here," said Republican Gov. Linda Lingle. Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon are the only GOP presidential candidates ever to win Hawaii's vote. They, like Bush, were running for second terms.
Republicans say Bush has been helped by cable television ads running in the islands, where cable viewership is high. Bush and his party have outspent Kerry $17 million to $5 million on national cable TV ads that include Hawaii. Also, with the tourism industry recovering from the Sept. 11 attacks, Hawaii's unemployment rate is 3.1 percent, lowest in the nation. And Republicans say they're doing better than expected among the state's large number of veterans. On the other hand, Democratic Sen. Inouye told The Associated Press while campaigning on Oahu this week that anger over the deployment of a disproportionate number of National Guard troops from Hawaii, the state's highest-in-the-nation gasoline prices and Bush's support for gun legislation are factors that help Kerry.....
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Alaska will probably go for Bush, but we have a very hot senate race going now between R. Lisa Murkowski and D. Tony Knowles. The airwaves have literally been smoking with political ads, like chemtrails, heh heh.
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What does the polling say about that race, AP? I heard that the Dem is ahead...
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Knowles ahead of Murkowski about 48 to 45. The outcome will depend upon who screws up least before Nov. 2, some pundits say. This will be a tight one. The stakes are enormous.
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They have dispatched political operatives
Pick me, pick me. For two weeks in the tropic sun I'll pretend to be a Skerry supporter
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The Bush/Cheney campaign should exploit this opportunity immediately. Send Jenna and Barbara to give speeches and play pickup volleyball games at Waikiki Beach this weekend. Arrange lots of media coverage.
Please!
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I read somewhere...that the DNC in Hawaii had taken to handing out Michael Moore's DVD to likely voters. That dog don't fight when a good portion of the main islands are inhabited by Navy, ex-Navy or someone who knows someone in the Navy. Also,you might be surprised at the number of Vietnam Vets who reside in Hawaii...That was a jumping off point to Vietnam...as well as a return gate. A significant number made their homes there...
for what it's worth.
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#3 Alaska Paul - did my bit & sent her some money last week. Hope it helps.
John Thune, who has an excellent chance to unseat Tom Dash-hole, is here
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Hawaii's economy has been in the tank since Japan melted down years ago. More than anything, Bush is probably benefitting from their first economic upswing in more than a decade.
JAPAN awoke yesterday to scenes of widespread devastation as efforts to recover from the country's deadliest storm in a decade got under way. At least 57 people were killed and more than 300 injured in powerful winds and some of the heaviest rainfall in memory. Typhoon Tokage is the third to blow onshore in as many weeks, making 2004 a record year with ten landfalls so far. So far this month, typhoons have claimed more than 150 lives. Last night 32 people were still missing, including drivers whose cars were swept out to sea and members of emergency services called to deal with a cave-in on a main route near Kyoto.
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A Minnesota movie that turns the tables on liberal filmmaker Michael Moore opens in Twin Cities theaters this weekend. The documentary "Michael Moore Hates America" is a takeoff on Moore's film "Roger and Me." It follows Minnesota filmmaker Mike Wilson as he tries to interview Moore. Wilson said there's no political agenda behind his movie. "I don't agree with his views about America, about how there's a corporate conspiracy to run the country and how we're not responsible for how our lives turn out," Wilson said. "I just wanted to sit down with him for 45 minutes and talk about how two guys, both from the Midwest, both from blue-collar families, both kind of tubby, could see it all so differently."
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I'm waiting for the sequel: "America Hates Michael Moore".
Jesse 'The Body' gone bonkers!
Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura has officially endorsed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. The announcement was made during a 30-minute news conference at the State Office Building. The former Minnesota Governor was there, but did not make any comments. Just days ago, Ventura had said that he did not plan to support Kerry or President Bush this election year. Also at the news conference was former Maine Gov. Angus King, who was the only other third-party governor during Ventura's years in office. He said Ventura changed his mind and decided to endorse Kerry. Organizers didn't even know Ventura was going to show up until the news conference started. He told reporters who followed him out to his car afterward that he'll be doing interviews in Los Angeles.
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Damn it Jesse. your endorsing Hanoi John? You've lost your honor as well as your WWF belt too.
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he was in predator wasn't he? thought he was good till now, now i'd hurl abbuse at him if i ever saw him. foul man.
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Looks like all those piledrivers he took are starting to have an effect...
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Apparently the SEALS consider him one, by defination. The AuthentiSEAL site discusses that question and in these sorts of cases, it's best to defer to them I think. Link below.
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As a Minnesotan, I can tell you that Jesse is the biggest blow hard on earth. There is not a conservative bone in his body (no pun intended). This is a guy who even his closest friends try to avoid, he is pro legalization of drugs and prostitution. The only thing good about the guy is his wife.
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What happened to him? Too many hits to the heads, perhaps?
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CA - I saw a documentary-ish movie about him - and, that was what I got from it: his wife was very cool and level-headed, while he came off as a showman / blowhard / zipperhead.
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Having watched Jesse for years here in Minnesota, this comes as no surprise. He has always been a liberal and you should know that most surprised person when he was elected gov was Jesse.
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Is there any interest in funding an organization that engages in doing clandestine wetwork? It seems to me that ultimately it will be necassary to cull the ranks of the institutional moonbats.
Institutional Moonbats: Democrat Polititions, Celebs, Activist Judges, Media Personalities, EFL, AFL and others.
I volenteer (sp?) to be the first WWT...(wet work tech).
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No Dakota Longbow (nice!) but I'm real proficient with my Win Model 70 Featherweight in .308.
The org should be structured as a non-profit Political Education entity focusing on conservative values.
The *ahem* "Direct Action Unit" would have to be VERY secret and undercover. Obviously.
Preferably the DAU would not engage in high profile hits, this only scares the sheep. Instead, the Individuals of Interest that are selected should just vanish or have an accident or sudden health problem. Stroke, heart attack etc.
Under no circumstance would any sort of announcement be made. The frequent and regular dissapearance & demise of prominent moonbats would strike fear into their hearts.
Hamas holds competition to select movement's anthem
By Arnon Regular, Haaretz EFL; hat tip to Best of the Web
Hamas announced Thursday a competition for composing an official anthem for the movement. That's because they're just a bunch of swell guys with a song in their hearts.
The deadline for submission of entries is in December. . . . First prize is a week's vacation in Gaza. Second prize is two weeks' vacation in Gaza.
Hamas activists have also defined the qualifying criteria: the lyrics and refrain should be "patriotic, underscoring the connection to all of Palestine, and the anthem should also be characterized by faith, and belonging to the Islamic movement." . . . The wording should be lofty and yet catchy, and the anthem should also not exceed six stanzas. One of the stanzas must be "cathartic," and have the "natural cadences of a refrain." It should also have a great beat, and you should be able to dance to it. Use of 80s-style cowbell in the drum track is strongly discouraged.
This is too good an opportunity to pass up. Fellow Rantburgians, submit your original compositions, or suggestions of existing compositions that might be used "off the shelf," in the Comments below.
My suggestion: "Be the Bomb" by Richmond, VA, area punk band Death is Your Language. I've never heard it, and I don't think I wnat to, but it sure sounds like something Hamas could groove to!
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hmmm... what rhymes with cathartic? Arctic? Sephardic?
The leader of a Vancouver mosque attended regularly by a local man reported killed in Chechnya has preached the virtues of jihad and called Jews "the brothers of monkeys and swine." In a lecture posted on the mosque's website, Sheik Younus Kathrada tells an audience all real Muslims want to be martyred. "It is inconceivable that a true believer will not desire martyrdom," Kathrada says. "When we hear of our fellow Muslims in Palestine and what they're going through to try and defend that great land for us, the Muslims, that individual should wish that he was there."
In a recording of another lecture obtained by The Canadian Press, Kathrada lashes out at Israelis for killing Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin late last March. "We know what happened over the last week and how the brothers of the monkeys and the swine assassinated and murdered one of the heroes of Islam, the Salah al-Din of this day and age, Ahmed Yassin."
Kathrada tells his audience the Qur'an and its accompanying writings view Jews as treacherous people with whom Muslims will engage in an apocalyptic battle. "The prophet . . . said the final hour will not be established until such time as the Muslims will battle and will fight against the Jews," Kathrada says. "Then what will happen? Listen to the good news after that. The prophet . . . says that the stone and the tree will say 'oh Muslim, oh slave of Allah, that verily behind me is a Jew. Then come and kill him.' "
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Sheik Younus Kathrada tells an audience all real Muslims want to be martyred.
Well step right up, sheiky baby! Don't let us get in your way...
A key question confronted the European Union last week: Should grown men and women who get their kicks by pretending to shoot one another with toy weapons have the freedom to do so? Um...Wait a minnut, lemme think...
German authorities, and now the EU's highest tribunal, think the answer to that question is no. On Oct. 14, the Luxembourg-based European Court of Justice upheld a ban on the Bonn "Laserdrome", where participants simulated killing each other with lasers. The court said nothing about whether the lasers can actually inflict physical pain. Instead, it found that the game operated by the Bonn-based company, Omega Spielhallen-und-Automatenaufstellungs-GmbH, is an affront to human dignity. It's actually the horribly agglutinative nature of the German language that's the real affront...
"The prohibition on the commercial exploitation of games involving the simulation of acts of violence against persons, in particular the representation of acts of homicide, corresponds to the level of protection of human dignity which the national constitution seeks to guarantee" in Germany, reads the seven-page judgment. Yeah, right. Pay no attention the the actual death and dismemberment ongoing in europe, it's the people playing a game that are the clear threat to civilization here!
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If you don't let them work off their spare energy shooting each other with harmless lasers and paintballs, they are going to continue their present practice of shaving their heads and attacking dark-skinned foreigners.
The Pentagon knows exactly where Osama bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan, it just can't get to him, John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 Commission, said Thursday. Lehman's remarks echoed those made Tuesday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who said the al-Qaida leader was alive and operating in the western part of Pakistan. Bin Laden is living in South Waziristan in the Baluchistan Mountains of the Baluchistan region, Lehman told the San Bernardino Sun after delivering a keynote speech on terrorism at Pitzer College in Claremont. In the interview, Lehman noted, "There is an American presence in the area, but we can't just send in troops. If we did, we could have another Vietnam, and the United States cannot afford that right now."
When pressed on why the United States couldn't send troops into the region to capture the world's No. 1 terrorist, Lehman said the Baluchistan region of the country is filled with militant fundamentalists who do not recognize the legitimacy of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, a close ally of the United States. "That is a region filled with Taliban and al-Qaida members," he said, acknowledging that Pakistan's security services also are filled with many who agree with bin Laden's beliefs and would aid him if U.S. Special Forces entered the region. "Look," he said, "Musharraf already has had three assassination attempts on his life. He is trying to comply, but he is surrounded by people who do not agree with him. This is not like Afghanistan, where there was no compliance, and we had to go in. "We'll get (bin Laden) eventually, just not now."
Asked how bin Laden was surviving, Lehman said he was getting money from outside countries, such as the United Arab Emirates, and high-ranking ministers inside Saudi Arabia. "He is not a wealthy man," Lehman said. "We ran that information into the ground, and discovered he only receives about $1 million a year from his family's fortune. The rest of what he gets comes from radical sympathizers." Department of Defense spokeswoman Capt. Ronnie Merritt confirmed the U.S. military believes bin Laden is in Pakistan. However, she would not comment on Lehman's remarks, except to say that he normally didn't speak about these issues, and she was surprised he had.
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I cannot believe that this stuff is true because a person like John Lehman shoots off his mouth. This, in my uneducated humble opinion is partly or fully disinformation..................Then again...........it could be true...........and then again.................
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Capture? Was wrong with dropping 50 daisy cutters and incinerating the whole area?
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Shoulda been more hardass with Pakistan from the get go?
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I believe Lehman bases his argument on a AP article published in October 2002 in which it was claimed Bin Laden was sighted in June 2002 in South Waziristan. Ostensibly, he was being chased by a combined team of US Special Forces and Pakistani troops. The claim was made by a mysterious Rehmat Shah, reportedly an Afghan Intel officer. I do not believe that Rehmat Shah has repeated the claim, and he seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.
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For the record, if this were true, I can't imagine the democrat mouthpieces on the 9-11 commitee not spreading it all over the NYT months ago. Lehman knows better than to give code word information to the press, so unless he has an axe to grind, this was either deliberate or the onset of senility.
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It's election time. If you want your guy to win, you'll do anything, even betray your oath to God or to the nation, to see that it happens. Such people should be nailed to a redwood - about 20 feet up - and covered with peanut butter, so the squirrels will gnaw them to death.
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Baluchistan and South Waziristan are two seperate regions. This is a bunch of crap. If we KNEW where Osama was we have all the authorities to get him.
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"He is not a wealthy man," Lehman said. "We ran that information into the ground, and discovered he only receives about $1 million a year from his family's fortune. The rest of what he gets comes from radical sympathizers."
you mean the joint family business Bush - Bin laden? The Carlise Corporation? I knew bush is a crook
Casanova put his faith in oysters and ate 50 a day. But a better bet for fighting the infections that flourish at this time of year are the vitamins and other antioxidants found in cranberry juice.
THE BELIEF THAT the thrushes in the garden are better than meteorologists at long-range forecasting and can replace the now-retired Michael Fish seems a bit daft. It sounds just as unlikely that some scientific magic alerted the hollies when flowering last spring that there would be a need for more berries in the autumn, so that the birds could be well fattened to survive the winter. But amateur forecasters noted the profusion of berries, which, along with other alleged signs of a harsh winter ahead, provoked them to issue dire warnings.
Berries are just a old wives tale. Everyone knows you have to check the woolly caterpillars to see how bad the winter is going to be.
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Casanova put his faith in oysters and ate 50 a day
Silly journalist. Don't people recognize a metaphor when they see one?
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With no fanfare, President Bush on Friday signed the most sweeping rewrite of corporate tax law in nearly two decades, showering $136 billion in new tax breaks on businesses, farmers and other groups. Intended to end a bitter trade war with Europe, the election-year measure was described by supporters as critically necessary to aid beleaguered manufacturers who have suffered 2.7 million lost jobs over the past four years. But opponents charged that the tax package had grown into a massive giveaway that will add to the complexity of the tax system and end up rewarding multinational companies that move jobs overseas.
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It's a start. Next to educate the public to the fact that corporations actually pay no taxes and eliminate the corporate portion of the tax code completely.
More than a third of Turkish women believe they deserve to be beaten if they argue with their husbands, deny them sex, neglect children or burn a meal, according to a survey reported by the Anatolia news agency yesterday. The survey found that 39 per cent of women said their husbands were right to beat them. In rural areas, the figure rose to 57 per cent. As many as half of all Turkish women are estimated to be into that sort of thing victims of physical violence in their families. The survey and report come at a crucial moment as the European Union, which Turkey is seeking to join, has put pressure on the government to protect women.
Sounds like a great business opportunity. Somebody could make a lot of money selling the Turks leather crotchless underpants, handcuffs, leashes, leather corsets...
In the Anatolia poll, arguing with one's husband topped the list of justified reasons for domestic violence, followed by spending too much and neglecting children. The poll of 8,075 married women by Hacettepe University, Ankara, was funded by the EU and the Turkish government.
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Disgusting.
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Bet you feel pretty manly now, Murat--you big stud, you!
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but we must not judge their customs, like the evil scarf-ban, right, Lex?
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Frank G -- you're right: we must not judge, lest we appear arrogant and insensitive. Who are we as big, mean Americans to tell someone they shouldn't get beaten by their husbands?
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RN--Good question. For that matter, we haven't determined if Murat is human either!
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More than a third of Turkish women believe they deserve to be beaten if they argue with their husbands, deny them sex, neglect children or burn a meal...
Great. So the next time some lefty rag prints a sob story about how we need to send money to help those poor, helpless women in the Middle East with fnancial support of one kind or another, we can say that we are cutting it 39%, based on the number of women over there who like being abused. Sounds like a plan.
Tens of thousands of Florida voters are also registered to vote in a second state, and more than 1,600 may have cast ballots in Florida and one of two other states in recent elections, taking advantage of an absence of safeguards to prevent illegal double voting. An Orlando Sentinel examination of voting records from Florida, Georgia and North Carolina found more than 68,000 cases in which voters with the same names and dates of birth were registered in two states. In 1,650 cases, records indicate those voters cast ballots in Florida and another state in the 2000 or 2002 elections.
The study focused on Georgia and North Carolina because, among states with voting databases that are public record, they have the largest populations of Florida-registered voters. The potential number of double voters in Florida could be in the thousands, enough to have affected Florida's 2000 election, which George W. Bush won by 537 votes.
It is a felony for voters to cast ballots in two states in the same election. But those who double vote face little chance of being caught, because election officials seldom check whether voters are registered or voting in another state. Election officials and voting experts said they've long known that some voters flouted the law to cast extra ballots. "For years there's been speculation about how much of it goes on," said David Cardwell, a Windermere attorney specializing in election law and the former director of the Florida Division of Elections.
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...their names are not removed from voting rolls when they move away. That seems like a prety darn significant point. Makes me wonder about exactly how this topic has been covered in the media (which has made it sound like all double registered voters are cheating).
So maybe a little public info like "you are required by federal law to notify xxx when you move to another state. Anyone failing to do so risks having his vote disqualified and imprisonment of x years"...or whatever.
Also, is it correct to infer that there is no way to determine how many Florida votes were double votes and how those split along party lines? I'd love to see that relentless whine about the 2000 election having been stolen get snuffed out.
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Just some ideas for a system that would make "one person, one vote" true and accurate. Edit, amend, improve as needed.
1) Standardized Computerized voter registration - each card is bar-coded. Voting machines require valid card to register vote.
2) National / Absentee / Military Clearinghouse DB.
3) Photo ID to vote - human checked by polling judge: Pic matches person, name matches reg card.
4) Absentee Ballot (in country) must be collected in person with Photo ID - allow 6 month period prior to election for applying / receiving ballot.
5) Absentee Ballot (out of country) - US Embassies / Consulates serve as their voting "Precinct" - same rules as above: 1-3.
6) Military Battalion HQ serves as voting "Precinct" - same rules as above: 1-3/
Just a suggestion as a starting point. At some point, everyone who registers gets a unique system-wide registration number (not hard to do because they don't have to be sequential and certian locale criteria can be group coded) and registration card is bar-coded. Standardize the machines. Scanning the code in the booth logs / flags record as "voted" - with choices. Canvassing will exclude individual info from record, only voted flag + choices. Choices, of course, are "localized" to ballot info in each voting locale.
Anyone could vote anywhere anytime within the voting time window if it was done right.
Something like that, though I can hear the ACLU and LLL screaming that there would be a connection between who voted and who they voted for. Oh no! Fug 'em. Lol!
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CF - Better, yes. And, BTW, if NOT voting in registered locale, then local issues and local candidates are not even presented for the voter. Why should someone registered in locale A but showing up in local B have a voice in B's issues / local candidates?
In effect, when the bar-code is scanned, a customized ballot - keyed to the group codes mentioned above, is presented reflecting the correct ballot for the registered locale. Cached local master DB records in each locale will make lookup fast for local registrants voting locally. Asshats who wanna show up in Terra Del Fuego to vote, well, they get shuffled off to side to wait in line for special Asshat Voting Booth with National DB acces, lol! Make 'em wear a Dunce cap while waiting in line, too... Fug 'em!
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It is not hard to fix the voter registration mess. It is a step-by-step rational plan. It will involve databases. It will involve identification. You cannot get on a plane without ID, so what is the big deal?
We have the means, but collectively we do not have the will. Both political parties have failed in their responsibilities to this country. Both parties need to have their political asses kicked big time, especially after 4 years since 2000 to do it.
The Greek planners and muckity mucks needed their asses kicked to make the 2004 Summer olympics happen, but they did make it happen.
The Dems and Republicans have let this thing fester for 4 years, by accident and/or design.
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How about this. 1 year before each presidential election *all* the voting registration rolls are purged. Everyone gets 11-odd months to re-register (in person, showing photo proof-of-citzenship id).
A new video game for home computers is being developed in Syria which allows users to assume the role of Palestinians carrying out terrorist attacks on Israeli soldiers, including at least one suicide bombing. Entitled "Under Siege", the game is slated for release by the end of the year by Damascus-based Afkar Media, according to a report in the Beirut Daily Star. Users will be able to simulate various types of attacks on Israelis, ranging from a teenage Palestinian armed with a slingshot to a 25-year old toting a machine gun. In addition, one scene is said to depict a Palestinian female suicide bomber in Jenin who hands her child over to relatives before detonating a hand grenade in a crowd of Israeli soldiers. Nonetheless, the game's developers insist that it is intended to promote non-violence. Really?
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Afkar Media? Roumor is that it's controlled by The Mossad who use it to install back doors on the PCs of peaceful muslem gamers.
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Well, the attacks in the game as described are on Israeli soldiers. That right there is a lot more humane than the palestinian terrorists are in real life to begin with; was the failed school bus attack yesterday or the day before?
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I wonder if the trees talk so they can tell you that a there is a Zionist hiding behind it.
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I wonder if it includes firing an anti-tank missle at a school bus filled with schoolchildren. Will it show little body parts flying all over the place.
The total number of 'Palestinian'Arabs in the world by the end of 2003 was estimated at 9.6 million, the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics said Thursday. In its fifth statistical yearbook, it said that 4.8 million live outside the Palestinian Authority territories, 1.1 million in Israel, and 3.7 million in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It indicated that the employment rate for 'Palestinian' Arabs 15-64 years old in Israel was 41.3%, while the unemployment rate for those of the same age was 11.5%. The report added that there are 682 Arab schools in Israel, with 417,921 students. There are 1,786 mosques in PA territory, which is calculated to be an area of 6,020 square kilometers. Literacy among those 15 and older is at 91.1 percent (96.3% for males and 87.4% for females). The gross domestic product per capita in the PA areas is $1,203.40.
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the average car swarm involves 1,521 Paleos, with roughly half getting their bloody hands on a body part
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All the more reason that I am DEAD against the "right of return", Gaza pullout, and a Paleo state. There is no such thing as a Palestinian. They are the trash of Arab world that the rest of Muslim states do not want.
A little history.
Originally, the Romans called that whole area (part of Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Soddy) Palaestina. The Romans got this name from the long ago extinct, Biblical Philistine(s). The Biblical name Philistine=the Roman word Palaestina. The Romans had two reasons for the name. One, an area of land to deport to the Jews. Two, while deporting the Jews, humiliate and ridicule the Jews by send them to a land named after the people that King David defeated.
Moving forward in time, the Romans took the name Philistine "falsely" named the land Palaestina and NOW is "falsely" renamed Palestine. Again, Palestinian people DO NOT exist. There are just a melting pot of ethnically unidentifiable Arabs. See link below. Ancient Map of the Roman Palaestina
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Very high literacy rates and very, very, very low GDP means trouble, no matter how you slice it. No doubt the Arabs of "Palestine" do a lot better, fincancially, outside the PA territories. Crazy stuff.
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The total number of âPalestinianâArabs in the world by the end of 2003 was estimated at 9.6 million, the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics said Thursday.
Is this coming from some Palestinian "government" agency? If it were, I would be inclined to take anything coming from it with a grain of salt.
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The Arabs have historically had a bit of difficulty with hard data. You know, like who is actually winning the war in, say... 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, now... If the Palestinians are counting all who were born but ignoring all who died, plus all the miscarriages, this might possibly approach a real number. Today. Tomorrow's number is likely to be a bit lower, so long as they refuse to live in true peace with Israel.
A new advertising campaign in the fight against anti-Semitism in France aims to shock. The campaign, to be launched Tuesday, features serene images of Jesus and Mary with the slur "Dirty Jew" scrawled across them as if in graffiti. Underneath the picture appears the slogan: "Anti-Semitism: And if it were everyone's problem?" The advertisements, which will run in French newspapers over a period of about 10 days, were created by the Union of Jewish Students of France, or UEJF. The UEJF said it recognizes the startling nature of the images but says the goal is to grab people's attention. "It's a way to wake people up and make them aware," said Yonathan Arfi, the group's president, in a telephone interview. "That's what is important. Today, it is difficult to wake people up without running the risk of shocking them a bit."
He stressed that no disrespect for Catholic images or Catholicism was intended. "On the contrary, we are, more or less, paying homage to Jesus and Mary as the first to protest racism, the first who took it upon themselves to defend others," Arfi said. The Conference of Bishops of France declined Friday to comment on the campaign. The UEJF cited rising anti-Semitism in France as the impetus behind the campaign. The French Interior Ministry said this week that the number of anti-Semitic acts appears to be rebounding, with 166 counted in the first nine months of 2004, compared to 127 for all of last year. In 2002, the Interior Ministry counted 195 such acts.
France has the largest populations of Jews and Muslims in Western Europe and has suffered a rising tide of anti-Semitic crime since 2000, when tensions between Israelis and Palestinians worsened in the Middle East.
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DB-With the same slur written across the faces of some holy Islamic couple? I'm lovin it. It's all in the translation :)
Wouldn't be surprised to see France limit the ad to appear exclusively in the midst of maudlin programs about the poor, poor Palestinians, though, to dilute any effect. They are always so careful you see, to never never never offend any Muslim! The Palestinians must always rise to the top of the pile of abused humans, as far as France is concerned.
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Alot of good it will do. To be EUropean means to be antisemite. EUropeans see Israel and jews hated reminders of europes failed repeated progroms and genocides. The be a EUropean means the hate of jews and the United States.
The Blue flag with a ring of stars must rule over all. The world must be centered on Belgium.
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Aris you never were funny to begin with. Your neo-communist controled prevaricating anti US, antisemite EUropean media make heros out of terrorists and vilians out of liberators. You like your EUropean masters are almost 100% against everything my country does. So Why should anyone care what you think?
If I had one I would defecate on your personally sacred blue flag with the ring of stars. Right in it's center wrap it up and mail it to Belgium.
EUrope is finished. The Muslims will rule over you. EUrope will pay danegeld to them to keep their atomic tiped missles from falling on you. It is you there who need a healthy dose of paranoia. If anything I am depressed to see what has happen to you all.
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You are a unwitting parody of every hatemonger that has ever existed, Sockpuppet. Your posts are so emetic that I can't even stand to wade through their sewage any more. I hardly ever remember this happening to me ever before.
But (your sick ideology aside), for Chrissakes, unless you are *intentionally* seeking the destruction of meanings espoused by Newspeak, either use EU or use Europe. The meaningless amalgamation "EUrope" reveals your mental kinship to the nice people of Ingsoc Oceania.
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No matter how many advertisements are run they will be countered by the propaganda of the the EU media and EUrocrat elite jew haters you love to grovel to Aris. Not Europe the place Aris the EUrope a artifical construct. The EU that will willingly sell out Israel to the Arabs to stave of their own destruction for a day. The EU that says "peace at any cost."
When you actually object to something *real* instead of to your own imaginings about either me or the EU, feel free to initiate a fact-based discussion.
And your usage of "EUrope" still doesn't make sense, the word meaning to obfuscate rather than clarify. How are "EUropean media" different in identity that "EU media" or more antisemetic than "European media", for example?
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No, Sockpuppet, I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that Europe will happily give away Israel, at no charge.
I'm really sorry about that, Aris, because I loved the years we lived over there and the friends that we made (Santorini in August -- what beauty, what fun! and Athens, with the Germans singing oom pa pa music in the restaurant on the terrace below, while above the lights play on the Acropolis), and the relatives who remade their lives their after the war. And I do know that there are many who are not antisemites, who are not anti-American, who are thoughtful and delightful and charming.
But unfortunately, they are not the majority. More importantly, the elites in government and the media have allowed themselves to voice their most vicious thoughts, over and over again until the unthinking masses recite them on cue.
I do understand why you appreciate the EU, Aris. Greece has greatly benefitted from her membership: not just the vast amounts of money that flow in, but the safety of being within a larger 'nation', the stronger rule of law necessary to function within the larger polity, and the ego rewards of being acknowledged as the inventor of the democracy that all of Europe now benefits from - to a greater or lesser extent -- and the heirs of the oldest civilization in Europe.
But Europe as a whole is becoming ever more hate-ridden and venal. At the moment there is no way in hell my husband could drag me back, even for a visit. I wouldn't be able to keep silent, you see. This is a great change for me: even less than a year ago, I was careful to make comments to his managers about how I could be ready to move with only a few days notice, to almost anywhere (Geneva, Frankfurt or Hong Kong, for choice, but pretty much anywhere except the Muslim Middle East).
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And as usual for the loosers-o'the-left, it backfired, roflmao. Ann Coulter could wipe the pie off the floor with those two goobers. Looks like someone already took a jab at one of the guys nose.
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Still, there's something oddly enticing about the idea of Ann Coulter and whipped cream . . . .
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This bit of fantasy ideologue guerrilla theater should be good for, oh, 100K swing votes swinging to Bush.
Each stupid stunt reddens the map by similar amounts, and the cumulative effect will probably be the difference. Millions will see them, and some percentage of the undecideds are always right on the verge, and aware enough of previous Dhimmicrat buffoonery to be finally swayed.
Indeed, Al Guardian's idiotically condescending campaign in Ohio may swing enough votes by itself to re-elect Bush.
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AC - you just stated aloud my internal hopes. After reading about the backlash, I started grinning - you never know what will be the last straw. And right now they have Gore on Fox running in tight circles so far left that Trotsky would have to strain to understand him, lol!
I don't recall the Latin (adde parve ovum, blah, blah, blah), but it was one of the Plinys (I think) that said, "Add little to little, and soon you have a great pile." Lol!
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Just submitted the article, but mine take a while to be vetted; we've got a spitter.
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Oh man, how do these people control themselves while the loonies can't even control their spittle? I am amazed by Mjr Boyle's restraint. Simply Amazed.
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3000 dollars of damage. These asshats will get a chance to be felons. What would have been a misdemeanor ain't no more. Dumb Sorros running lackey dog dhimmicrat buffoons.
Still, there's something oddly enticing about the idea of Ann Coulter and whipped cream⦠Please, I need more meat on the bone that that pencil thin thing.
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Get 'em, jackal. They looked a couple of twitters. I did a Google search on Coulter looking for downloadable video. No joy. Then I tried just a Google image search on her - 22 pages of results (!!!) (Safe Search Off) and the number of parodies and caricatures was astounding. You KNOW you matter when there are so many who "hate" you, lol! She's scored some bullseyes and really pissed the loonies off. I hope she makes a killing lampooning them, heh.
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Mike and SPOD
Now if somebody mentioned Laurie Dhue and whipped cream....yum...yum.
Oops, my wife caught that. And she looks like she's reconsidering her stand on domestic violence.
Ok, honey, you would look great in whipped cream, too.
Better?
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Hmmmm... Fred and I have the Patti Ann Brown concession spoken for...
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I just wanna have Norah O'Donnell give me a Rusty Trombone.(Licking your ass crack while she jacks you off...looks like she's playing a rusty trombone)
Military "jointness" is being put to the acid test by a proposal to shut down the U.S. Marine Corps recruit training facility at Parris Island, South Carolina, and moving the marine recruit training 240 kilometers to the army training base at Ft Jackson, South Carolina. The Parris Island base covers 8,000 acres, while Fort Jackson sprawls over 52,000 acres. The army has room for the marines.
The Department of Defense wants to close over twenty percent of the bases it currently uses, mainly because it has more space available than it has troops. But closing a base arouses anger in Congress, since a military base long been seen as a prime piece of patronage to keep the folks back home happy. Take away a base, and the incumbent politicians (both local and federal), are at risk of losing elections.
Closing the smaller Parris Island base, and moving its activities to an army base in the same state, appears to have overcome some of the political danger. The benefits of the move are obvious. The marines could share the army base infrastructure for training areas, food service, medical care (especially the base hospital), security and fire service, maintenance and other services.
On the downside, some new facilities will have to be built. No matter what the army has vacant and available, it will not exactly suit what the marines need. This will also be a good test of the Department of Defense's proposal that there be more "joint" bases. However, the Parris Island base carries a lot of history with it, and the marines public relations machine can muster a considerable mass of public and Congressional opinion to the cause of "saving the base." That said, most closed bases end up being a net gain for the surrounding community. But the process is contentious and painful for all concerned.
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No military genius here, but why would the marines leave the coast to be 100 miles inland? Has the definition of "marine" changed that much?
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No matter what the army has () available, it will not exactly suit what the marines need.
If they do move to Ft. Jackson, you can bet the DI's will order their sand fleas into the trucks to make the trip too. It just wouldn't be the same without them!!
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bad move - you can't get any new land for bases. Save what you have...
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I understand costs and such but this seems foolish to me. I live in San Diego, we've got two Marine bases. Camp Pendelton (the West Coast version of Parris Island) and Mirimar Marine Air Station (the old Navy Top Gun School). If they want to save money they should consolidate aviation bases with the Navy or Air Force.
They absolutely should not move the basic training locations.
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No F'ing way. Marine Boot is the real deal compared to the candy-assed stuff going on at Ft Jackson these days. If anything, send the Army troops thru Marine boot at PI. They'd live longer in combat.
No way PI goes away - they'll have Devil Dogs from all the past wars sandbagged across the hiway to defend Iron Mike and the whole of PI.
This one is not going to happen - no Marine in Congress will let this one get by. If anything they will close MCRD San Diego and the "Hollywood Marines" before they let PI close.
And this from an Army veteran.
Also, I dont generally like Hackworth - he is a has-been still fighting the Vietnam war - but do search out his articles on "Porcelain soldiers" and the basic training crap at Ft Jackson. You'll know why units liek the QM unit wussed out - bad basic training and piss poor NCOs that never even knew there IS a hard way, much less learned anything the hard way.
German archeologists say they have discovered the toilet on which Martin Luther wrote the 95 Theses that launched the Protestant Reformation. Luther frequently alluded to the fact that he suffered from chronic constipation and spent much of his time in contemplation on the toilet.
Been there. Done that.
Experts say they have been certain for years that the 16th century religious leader wrote the groundbreaking Theses while on das klo, as the Germans call it. But they did not know where the object was until they discovered the stone construction after recently stumbling across the remains of an annex of his house in Wittenberg, southwest of Berlin, during plans to plant a garden. "This is a great find," Stefan Rhein, director of the Luther Memorial Foundation, said.
And how many times has that been said about a 450 year old dumper?
"Particularly because we're talking about someone whose texts we have concentrated on for years, while little attention has been paid to anything three-dimensional and human behind them. The 450-year-old toilet, which was very advanced for its time, is made out of stone blocks and, unusually, has a seat with a hole.
Pooping was a much messier business before they put that hole in the seat...
Underneath is a cesspool attached to a primitive drain.
"It was air-conditioned in the winter time!"
Luther, a professor of biblical theology at Wittenberg University, nailed his 95 Theses to the church door at Wittenberg, attacking the corrupt trade in indulgences. The act led to his excommunication, but he was protected by Frederick II of Saxony and was able to develop and spread his ideas. Rhein said the foundation would stop at letting the annual 80,000 visitors to Wittenberg sit on the toilet. "There's a point where you have to draw the line," he said.
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Actually, as a lifetime, baptised and confirmed Lutheran, this is really a very special discovery. Tell us more, tell us more...Was there a special rack for the books and all?
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Great! Was going to buy the video anyhow. Just caught Holbrook on Orielly and he was trying to tell him the Kerry has changed with respect to Iraq. He says he will meet with Arab leaders, train Iraqis, and hunt down terrorists. A good plan! The same one that Bush is using right now!
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CS - Holbrooke makes me want to punch out my television. Gawd that man pisses me off with his glib lies and straight-faced pandering. I watched Stolen Honor, instead.
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Right back at you .com, it takes great restraint not to put my foot through the tube when i hear his voice. I am not sure if itâs the whine or the condescending tone in his voice or both. I think ORielly wanted to slap him after the interview.
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I looked over, saw that fucking smirky face, and decided that would be an excellent time to view the Stolen Honor flic I had previously downloaded. He pisses me off almost as much as Skeery - and I'm sure you're right - it's gotta be that condescending tone and arrogance. I hope I never encounter him in the real world. I have a woodie for another guy, too - McNamara. That's one guy I would toss restraint to the wind to flatten.
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Sinclair Broadcasting ends up caving to Kerry lawyers, end up broadcasting a pro Kerry puff piece. This was a major disappointment given the controversy.
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Hey!
I use linux for everything except plaing the high end computer games.
I'm using it now - with Firefox browser Fred can validate someone with a linux variant and Firefox posts here), OpenOffice. Easier to secure and a far better OS for everything except playing games. And even the Dept of Defense uses it for that for specialized wargaming.
You'd be surprised who the Linux lovers are: Look up Eric Raymond and his page on 2nd Amendment rights for example...
Not the typical snot nosed leftie grubby college kid. The real heavy lifting gets done by peopel with a more libertarian bent. The headlines (other than the apolitical Linus Torvalds) are made by Commie Stallman and the loud lefties who (other than Stallman and Cox and a select few others) really dont contribute that much.
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I would guess that this one is good for pushing about 20K swing votes into the Bush column.
We should start a runnning commentary on the numerical results of the left showing its true colors like this. To be fair, we will have to push some back the other way if someone on the right also behaves badly; say, if a kidnapped Al Reuterist is videotaped begging for his life in some wingnut's basement.
A longtime Kerry ass-kisser chronicler of John Kerry sued Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc. on Thursday to stop it from using free speech and the truth his pictures and film in its program that features parts of an anti-Kerry documentary. Filmmaker George Butler's free speech squelching lawsuit, filed in Manhattan federal court, says the program scheduled for Friday violates his copyrights of material covering much of the Democratic presidential candidate's adult life. Butler seeks unspecified damages.
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So, you wrote a book on Kerry and now you think everything in his past is protected under copyright and no one else can mention it? Nice try, asshole.
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Its ok for Mike Al-moore to steal copyrighted material but not ok for a conservative to show
public record?
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! My eyes!!!!! She must give great bank acount cuz there ain't enough beer in the world to make anyone hit on that.
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I don't recognize the label - anyone know? Do the French make beer? Lol! I'm sure the "handlers" rushed the cameraman and put a bag over her head about 5 seconds after this snap, lol!
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! My eyes!!!!! She must give great bank acount cuz there ain't enough beer in the world to make anyone hit on that.
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It couldn't be French beer. The French are required to keep German beer at all times . . . in case some Germans happen to come marching down the Champs Elysees.
Some members of the Chicago Bears received flu shots despite a nationwide shortage of the vaccine. The Chicago Bulls also were vaccinated. The shots were offered to everyone on the team, but Bears officials said less than half of the roughly 60 members received vaccinations, mainly those with "asthma-type conditions." Remaining doses were returned to the distributor.
A local health official described the vaccinations as regrettable, saying he doubted anyone on the team was in a high-risk category. "I'd like to know why an athlete in top shape is being given a flu shot," said Dale Galassie, executive director of the health department in Lake County, north of Chicago, where the team trains. Some players said they declined the shots, preferring to reserve the vaccine for people at greater risk for severe flu complications. "I didn't get one because with what's going on everywhere, I shouldn't," defensive end Michael Haynes said. "I don't need one as bad as some people, so I said no."
The Bulls also train in the county north of Chicago. Bulls players received the vaccinations Oct. 4 -- one day before the shortage was announced. "We absolutely need them," guard Eric Piatkowski said. "The way we travel, we're going in and out of cold and warm climates. I won't say we need them more than some 85-year-old person, because obviously we don't. But I'm glad we got them."
The vaccine shortage was caused when one of the United States' two flu vaccine suppliers, Chiron Corp., was barred from shipping its vaccine because of contamination. That cut almost in half the 100 million doses U.S. officials were expecting. Healthy Americans were urged to forgo shots so there will be enough for those at highest risk of getting seriously ill from flu. Those at risk include babies and toddlers ages 6 months to 23 months, adults 65 or older, and people with chronic illnesses.
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So, are Kerry and the Democrats gonna hammer them for taking flu shots that could be used to save the lives of elderly voters in Florida? Didn't think so.
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Somewhat OT: if there are so few vaccine providers for such crucial prevention of common diseases, what are the odds of terrorists attacking them? There have been arguments about the limited number of vaccines producers in the US, and blame goes mainly to trial lawyers and government intervention. What about ensuring a diversified supply of vaccines based on the needs of homeland security? a vigorous free market protected from lawyer-ghouls is our best defense against many types of terrorist attacks.
To echo a question I've asked elsewhere, who do I contact if I have opinions on specific dangers to the West and ideas on how to better protect ourselves? is there a structure in place to allow citizens to think, plan, and contribute to Homeland Security? (other than an 800 number)
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Kalle - Here's a quickie link for contacting Homeland Security in your state. I'm sure there are more / better links - but I don't have better at hand, sorry.
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"We absolutely need them," guard Eric Piatkowski said. "The way we travel, weâre going in and out of cold and warm climates. I wonât say we need them more than some 85-year-old person, because obviously we donât. But Iâm glad we got them."
NBA Groupies and hookers in the big cities of North America thank you, Eric.
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For what it's worth, the story has been updated on the sports radio station in Chicago (I'm in the northwest suburbs). The Bears received the doses before the shortage situation developed. Only two players actually received the doses (the team is declining to name them because of the laws on medical privacy). Both of the players have ashmatic conditions that are in line with the guidelines the CDC issued for dispensing what vaccine is available. The remainder of the doses have been returned to the distributor.
None of which changes the fact that the Bears have been playing like they were brain-dead, not sick. But at least we beat the Packers.
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thanks .com -- not quite what I was hoping for, probably because they're not really interested in citizens' defense. I'll dig.
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Well I think I saw Kennedy, Moore, Biden, Boxer, McAuliffe et al in this video also. Good piece.
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KerrySpot talks about it and says they got such a powerful reaction in focus testing that they decided to hold it back until the closing weeks - going to spend big bucks showing it...
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I don't like the choice of critters. There are too many positive associations with wolves. They should have used hyenas.
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well if they were referring to the Democrats, they could've used lying crapweasels, but for the terrorists...wolves are OK
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well, at this point of the campaign given the activities the Dems are involved in (scare campaign), crap flinging simians would work to represent the Dems, but it hardly makes for as dramatic a commercial.
Britain's geologists are about to celebrate the fact that the universe is exactly 6,000 years old. At 6pm tonight at the Geological Society of London, scientists will raise their glasses to James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh, who in 1650 used the chronology of the Bible to calculate the precise date and moment of creation. Working from the book of Genesis, and risking some speculation on the Hebrew calendar, he calculated that it began at 6pm on Saturday October 22, 4004 BC. Actually, he put the date at October 23, and then pedantically realised that time must have begun the night before, because the Bible said that "the evening and the morning were the first day."
The geologists selected the anniversary for a day-long conference on some of the fakes, frauds and hoaxes that have plagued geological and palaeontological research for centuries. "It's not that we think Archbishop Ussher's date was a fraud," said Ted Nield, the society's communications officer. "It's just that it was spectacularly wrong." Dr Nield conceded, too, that in toasting the archbishop's calculations the geologists were committing another error. More than 6,000 years have passed since 4004 BC. The symmetry is only apparent. The date is a mere numerological reflection. The real anniversary passed unnoticed, in 1997.
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This is really a celebration of the Bishop Ussher's dedicated use of Freshman Logic.
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Finite Universe - Infinite God? Don't think so.
Infinite God - No Beginning - No End
Multiple Big Bangs - Ours 15 billion years +/- past.
God : Initiates Big Bangs, life, self-realization (Man "like us" knows good & evil),
and - placing of giants - Moses, Buddha, Jesus
as true prophets, also equivalent souls on other worlds...
soul immortal - Person Good/Evil in life determines afterlife where Heaven & Hell exist - physical body is mortal -
Rest in Universe is up to physical laws written by God, but rarely interferred with...
Genisis is parable....
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Thanks .com -- I needed something to calm me down - God can help. I absolutely lost it when I saw the Mozambiqui on Drudge, holding up a beer and looking drunk, and so I posted an opinion, but I may have gone to far...
Shortly before the October 7 Sinai bombings at Taba and Nueiba, inhabitants of the Israeli Red Sea resort of Eilat noticed some strange goings-on across the bay in the Jordanian port city of Aqaba. Cement trucks were seen dumping their loads along a section of coastline where the Jordanian royal villa nestles among giant palm trees. Other trucks unloaded huge pipes, which giant cranes hoisted into position. Could it be a new Jordanian watchtower to keep an eye on the Gulf of Aqaba? Or perhaps Jordan was building a new military or communications installation?
The answer to the riddle was not long coming. One morning, they awoke to the sight of an enormous flag flying from a 136 meter- (446 foot) high pole. The flag, measuring 80 meters (262 feet) by 44 meters (144 feet), was almost the size of an American football field, a towering presence even against the backdrop of the 1,200 meter (3,900 feet) -high mountains behind Aqaba.
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Is that a car? Looks like gym equipment. If it is a car I reckon it's worthy of an 8.
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Is that the one for the euphoniously named Al-Ghoul?
If it is, it gets at least a 8 for being the last ride of a leader of Hamas.
Have to deduct points for no parade of bloodstained rags, no visible would-be jihadis promising dire revenge......
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Like I said yesterday, there are alot of tempting targets at a car swarm. But, seriously, look at Fred's picture in #4 comment. There is a kid there that can't be more than 12 years old. And the parents let him hang around a car swarm? Real family values.
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And the parents let him hang around a car swarm? Real family values.
Hell, his parents are probably with him in the swarm somewhere. It's probably their idea of a family outing.
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These car swarms are extremely ghoulish, don't ya think?
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Does anyone here know why the Palis do the car swarm? Seriously, are there any Palestinian lurkers that can enlighten me on this? What purpose does it serve? I thought the South Vietnamesse were death entralled but man, this is something else.
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same reason Jesse Jackson ran to MLK's death balcony and from the pool of blood on the deck, smeared his shirt: to prove he was there and thatclose to "the big guy" when he bought the farm.
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Fred! - How is the crispy critter gonna handle the virgins when he leaves that fist behind. I guess it's, "allah Akhbar, Baby!", and hope for the best...
On that point alone, is the Israeli Yassinization of these fools is a deterrent for some?
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I rate it a 8.5. I would rate it a 10 if it weren't for the missing rubber duckies.
If the Paleo kids are missing a half day of school for ALL the unscheduled car swarms, do they get to make it up in the summer? It has got to be a detriment to the minimum credit hours they need, to pass. Maybe there are free credit hours available for propaganda photo-ops.
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I'd give it a 6, only because it looks like there's a body part in the lower left. Much too calm for a car swarm; I suspect the Palestinians are getting jaded.
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lol is this the one where the mainstream media said 'plaistinians inspect the damage' inspect ,inspect wtf its a full on car swarm not some kinda vehicle maintance pit stop. I'd give it a 8 outa 10 because theres not enough gore, i like it when some jihadi clown runs out clutching a limb or an ear or maybe even a heart then cheers as if its some sort victory. brilliant stuff,just what you'd expext from an arab
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Where are all the women? How come the Joooooo's don't send five, six or seven more Virgin rewarders into the crowd?
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I'm not sure WHO the severed forearm belongs to in the photo above, but I AM sure the guy was busy whacking his koran at the time of death.
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Crispy murderous critter is good for a few points, but with very little visible seething or slogan chanting and absolutely NO visible ululating women... 6.
Now for the Israeli crsiping of this critter and his personal ass-munch. 11.
Next?
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I rate it a 5. No missile streaming in to the picture.
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I give it a 4 - no ululating women.... no handing out of crispy internal organs.... No tearing each other to shreads. Rather poor performnce all in all.
No offense, but it's a lousy pic by the Paleo photog, due to lousy timing and a lousy dispatch. By getting fried alive, there were no shredded and bloody limbs (+2) for anyone to hold aloft (+2). The person holding it aloft must face the camera and look as if he's screaming bloody murder (+2).
For the Israeli crisping this critter: *holds up card* 8.
Hate to disagree with Mac Suirtain (#31), but the guy who offed the Imam "spiritual" leader of Hamas outside of the mosque at 3 in the morning (I forget his name, and good riddance), scores highest: the corpse was bloody, ripped apart, and looked just positively awful.
NOW, if we got a pic of the face of said crispy critter displayed in #19 and #20, AND he had a look of terror and agony, as if he burned to death alive, THEN I will recant my 8 and award an 11.
Ptah Aetyptus, Judge and originator of the KCNA Rant Rating system (c)
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Am I capturing the scoring elements appropriately? Not sure what each is weighted but what we're looking for is:
1. Ululating women
2. Visible charred, shredded and bloody body parts
3. Onlooker screaming bloody murder while holding up severed limb (no requirement on fingers and toes still being attached)
3. Some emotion frozen, preferably "What-the-fuck-surprise", on the face of the target
4. Vomiting onlookers
5. Onlooker engaging with cell phone
6. Flames
7. Multiple deaths involved
8. Onlookers raining blows down upon other onlookers
9. Corporate logos on shirts or better yet, Kerry / Edwards campaign t-shirt on an onlooker OR a Kerry / Edwards bumper sticker on target vehicle
Yes, of course, you are correct. If only the Paleostani's would have broken the crispy crust up a bit beforehand and generously distributed the jellified filling, I am sure they could have inched closer up on the wheelchair vampire of Gaza's martyrdom phot0 spread, which *was* clearly an 11.
Perhaps they are saving their next masterpiece for the Ariofat himself.
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The Yassin rubout was still the best.They showed that crippled piece of human garbage...top of his head blown off..the inside of his skull looked like a bowl of pasta.
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Ummm, you've caught a superset, Lurker. Here's an analysis of the rundown
1. Ululating women Remember, we're rating a Palestinian CAR SWARM. Ululating is CELEBRATION, not MOURNING. A Ululator would be identified as a collaborator with the Jooos and be raped and slaughtered.
2. Visible charred, shredded and bloody body parts Correct. See Yassin and #41's photo.
3. Onlooker screaming bloody murder while holding up severed limb (no requirement on fingers and toes still being attached) Correct, but only if looking into camera. Points off for not looking into camera, or holding up a CAR part, not a body part.
4. Some emotion frozen, preferably What-the-fuck-surprise", on the face of the target Mandatory bonus points, but not required for a perfect 10. These should be identified as Yassin points, and require elevation of the Swarm into the pantheon of the classics.
5. Vomiting onlookers never seen any. Not required, but scoring due to its appearing is optional and left to the judge. Besides, getting the timing right would be incredible. Merely looking sick may probably qualify for half points. Full points MANDATORY if the shmuck is a dead ringer for a Democrat Celebrity or elected Official.
6. Onlooker engaging with cell phone Not mandatory, but bonus points if looking at the car with a shocked look on his face. Otherwise, zip.
7. Flames Not only not required, but positively counterproductive!!! The Swarm MUST be hard up against the mangled remains of the car to even QUALIFY for the Car Swarm Competition. Existance of flames would spoil the "milling mass of humanity" look essential for basic qualification. Actual shots of Paleo idiots dancing while in flames for getting too close to the attacked car should be disqualified for jumping the gun. HOWEVER, they may be shoo-ins for the Darwin Awards, and professional courtesy would require us directing the photos thereto, or to a more appropriate competition.
8. Multiple deaths involved My gut feel says no, but relentless logic dictates otherwise: A Hellfire missile is a damn expensive piece of ordinance, and shouldn't be wasted on a Terrorist leader who is not high enough on the pecking order to merit bodyguards and a driver. I would say that a mandatory 2 points be assessed AGAINST Shin Bet due to lousy intelligence fingering a terrorist asshole this low in the food chain.
9. Onlookers raining blows down upon other onlookers ONLY in the event that it is clear that the reason for the contention is a body part (see #2)
10. Corporate logos on shirts or better yet, Kerry / Edwards campaign t-shirt on an onlooker OR a Kerry / Edwards bumper sticker on target vehicle. Scoring optional. However, this rule is flawed by requiring existance of the presence of a specific campaign, implying that the basic need for the IDF to generate Car Swarms will disappear by 2004. Not damn likely. Modify "Kerry/Edwards" to the more generic "American Democratic Presidential Candidate ticket", and you'll have a winner!
There are two other rules you missed, and should probably be #1 and #2, with the others suitably re-numbered:
11. There must be a mass of humanity surrounding the wreckage. Hell, what's a car swarm without an actual swarm, a veritable MASS, a teeming SEA, of bodies? No mass, automatic disqualification. Ex. The Death-By-Hellfire-From-Predator shot of the burnt out 4 wheeler in Somalia. Emotionally satisfying? YES! True Justice? Absolutely. A Car Swarm? No way. There wasn't even a lizard visibmly sunning itself on a rock, fer cryin' out loud!
12. One or more individuals ON the wreckage. Lack of said individuals is CLEAR EVIDENCE that the photograher snapped too soon: The photographic equivalent of a premature ejaculation. Immediate disqualification of the photo, but not for any qualifying shots by the same photographer at the same Blessed Event.
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Agreed, Frank. Ptah's da Man! Put it in the RB classics. A masterpiece of wit, well reasoned points, organization, and overall presentation. I am enlightened but emotionally exhausted by Ptah's most noble essay.
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*bows* Thank You, Thank you! We at the War College live to educate...
People or groups linked to the al-Qaeda terror network are trying to covertly enter the southern African nation of Angola, an official said on radio on Thursday, adding that the government was on alert. The Ecclesia radio station quoted Constantino Vitiaka, head of information at the national intelligence services, as saying that there was "an attempt by elements linked to al-Qaeda to come into Angola, especially through Muslim NGOs". He said the government was keeping a close watch to see if terrorist groups were being formed, the Roman Catholic radio station reported.
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Be alert! Angola needs more lerts!
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Arab terrorists fired an anti-tank missile this afternoon at a school bus traveling in the vicinity of the Jewish town of Morag, in the Gaza region. In what was described as a "miracle", the missile totally missed the bus. Simultaneous with the missile strike, the terrorists opened fire with automatic weapons. There were no injuries to Israelis in the attack.
The jihadees new terror target of choice are the smallest among us.
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The Paleos have found a new way to target children. But I'm certain in the John Kerry school of diplomacy, there is a reasonable manner in which to talk to these people.
Personally, I prefer .45 ACP between the eyes.
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As expected the MSM is giving cover to their terrotist allies by totally ignoring the story.
ABC News: Hamas leader killed [Its israel's fault]. UN says hundreds of Palios homeless [Its israel's fault!]. This story - IGNORED. I guess they haven't found a way to blame israel yet.
CNN and BBC also do not mention this that I could see. Haven't seen it anywhere else.
I guess the deliberate targetting and attemted murder of schoolchildren is ok -- as long as its Jews being killed and Muslims doing the killing.
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Click here to donate to the Mossad. >>Don't we all wish.<< Can't wait for more retaliation. And of course I will get full coverage of the maneuver since it will be Hamas blood flowing in the streets.
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The Paleos have always targeted children -- this is nothing new. I think it was in the 60's that they took an Israeli elementary school hostage a la Breslan, and murdered all within the walls. In 1948 they were fond of attacking the orphanage kibbutzes, where the young Holocaust surivors had been resettled.
If the intent of Fox News Channel producer Andrea Mackris' sexual harassment lawsuit was to ruin Bill O'Reilly and his network, it doesn't seem to be working. In fact, rather than deserting O'Reilly, his viewers are tuning in, in droves. "The O'Reilly Factor" averaged 3.2 million viewers per night for the first three nights after the suit was announced, reports the New York Post. That's a 34 percent increase over the TV talker's ratings for last quarter. Among older viewers, who might be expected to be offended by the controversy, O'Reilly is doing even better. Nielsen ratings show a 42 percent improvement among adults ages 25-54, who may be having trouble buying Mackris' claim that she was "forced" to have phone sex with the cable star. While the publicity over Mackris' accusations no doubt accounts for some of the increase, the solid numbers show that the scandal may have ultimately backfired on O'Reilly's enemies.
It might also be that people are interested in O'Reilly's campaign coverage and that the election's less than two weeks away.
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Something like "The Factor for Kids" I don't recall the title off hand and I'm just too, um... well let's call it "lazy" or "tired" rather than drunk to look it up on Amazon. *heh*
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Its the same as I always type it - just cleared my cookies on Firefox and had to retype it. The letters you show both come in as lower case L (ell) to me. But I just now retyped it just in case.
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No cause and effect relationship here. O'Reilly was given an interview with President Bush and, since Kerry begged off, he has been more favorable to him.
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Convicted French terrorist Lionel Dumont, who visited Malaysia no less than six times, had secretly met up with another al-Qaeda suspect Andrew Rowe, a British national, in Penang on at least two occasions. The two men have been accused by security authorities of wanting to blow up London's Heathrow Airport but it was aborted when intelligence agencies caught on to their plan. "The two met at a rented house in Penang for their meetings. We can confirm that but we cannot reveal more information as security forces are still continuing their investigations," a source said.
The plan to blow up Heathrow Airport was foiled when security agencies received intelligence about it and put the airport on full alert in February last year. Unknown to the two, security agencies had already put the tail on them. Dumont, who is of Algerian descent, and Rowe, of Jamaican descent, are now in the custody of German and British authorities respectively following their arrest last year. Rowe is also a Mujahideen fighter like Dumont having fought in Bosnia and Afghanistan.
The Star had reported yesterday that Dumont had entered Malaysia six times between 2002 and 2003, using a forged passport bearing the name Tinet Gerald Camille. The 34-year-old militant was arrested in Germany in December last year. Rowe was nabbed in Dover in October 2003 as he crossed over from France through the English Channel tunnel. The 32-year-old unemployed from northwest London, has been charged for three offences of possessing articles for use in terrorism. He was also charged with two counts of making a record of information for terrorist purposes. The charges against Rowe refer to a pair of socks attached with a cord, instructions on how to use mortar and a "substitution code." He has denied all charges and is being remanded until January 2005 under the Terrorism Act when he is due to face trial.
Security sources said the German, British and Malaysian agencies are investigating more about the two, said to be linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. "The agencies suspect the two had wanted to use mortars to fire shells at the control tower, runways and passenger planes at the airport in March 2003," said one source. The source said Dumont last entered Malaysia in Sept 2003 and had stayed for only a few hours, probably on transit to another destination. He had used Japan as a base for a year travelling around the region and Europe. The Malaysian police also believed that Dumont had met several Arabs while in Malaysia. He has been blamed for several incidents including an attempted bombing of a police headquarters prior to the start of the Group of Seven economic summit in Lyons, France, in June 1996. Dumont is suspected of planning to set up an al-Qaeda cell in Japan, where he set up a second hand car business, as well as to raise funds for the network via money laundering. He had fought as a mujahideen in Bosnia to fight the ethnic war in early 1990s and had linked up with an Egyptian radical group, Takfir Wal Hijra (Renunciation and Exile). A former French soldier in Somalia, he was also active in a French radical group who called themselves Groupe Roubaix.
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So these are "militants", eh? Exactly what military do they belong to?
Russia has deemed Sudan a major arms client and a model in the use of Russian military platforms to quell an African insurgency, the Middle East Newsline web-site reports. Russian officials and industry sources said Sudan has become a leading importer of Russian weapons in Africa and an example of Moscow's new policy to finance arms sales. They said Sudan has procured MiG-29 fighter-jets, Mi-24 attack helicopters and a range of weapons and munitions. "Since 2002, there have been positive changes in military-technical cooperation between Russia and the African states," the state-owned Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport said. "There has been a noticeable activation in relationship between Russia and its traditional partners —- Angola, Ethiopia, Sudan, Cameroon, Republic of Congo, Nigeria and Uganda." In August, Russia completed its delivery of 12 MiG-29s to Sudan. Officials said the delivery was completed five months ahead of schedule at the request of Khartoum. Be sure to ask for the Darfur Discount.
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The Russian government will auction the license to develop the Far East Sakhalin-3 oil fields within three months of a new law on mineral reserves coming into effect, the official newspaper Rossiiskaya Gazeta reported Friday. Rights to explore the Sakhalin-3 fields were originally granted in 1993 to U.S. oil giants ExxonMobil Inc., Chevron Texaco Inc., and Russian state oil company Rosneft. The consortium had hoped to develop the block under a production-sharing agreement but the license was never issued in the absence of a legal framework for such agreements. Exxonmobil has said that it would view a re-auction of the development license as a violation of its rights.
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Customarily, this sort of bullshit is pulled by backwater shithole countries because:
a) There is no real Rule of Law, so they can
b) The requisite palms were not (sufficiently) greased
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In the case of Russia, the "but the license was never issued in the absence of a legal framework for such agreements" argument certainly puts Russia squarely in the backwater / shithole category.
Why did they make a deal? Why did they even imply they could make a deal? Because the game hadn't been rigged, yet. The Tsar hadn't gained total control of the power mechanisms (co-opted or replaced those in the key decision-making positions) at that time, I guess.
Now, it's different, heh. He's got the whole of the Gov't in his pocket. Time to get rid of those pesky deals made before you came to total power. Now he can simply change the rules, rape, loot, and pillage anyone who steps forward. In this case, the verbiage indicates to me that Tsar Putty didn't approve the old deal (see reasons a & b, above), and now he can simply reneg - who's to stop him? Anyone think he'll send this to The Hague? Lol!
Yeah, yeah, I know there is a small army of Putty Apologists present hereabouts, but this guy is a major scumbag, cutthroat, and totalitarian. Sure, he might be better than some Nationalist alternative who wants to reignite the Cold War and resurrect the Sov Union, but that does not make the Tsar worth warm spit. IMHO, he's not.
"All for me, and all for me, let's hear it for me!"
-Tsar Putty the Grate
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The Russians know they have the upper hand, and they're exercising it to the max. Ain't many massive oilfields left the size of Sakhalin-3, and the oil majors desperately need new reserves.
Dozens of families fled their mountainous village near the Afghan border as Pakistani troops, backed by helicopter gunships, kept up a barrage of artillery and mortar fire aimed at Al Qaeda -linked militants led by a former Guantanamo Bay prisoner hiding there. The rebels fired rockets on Thursday at a nearby army base, but they landed in a field and caused no casualties, said an official in Wana, the main town in South Waziristan. Three civilians were killed when an army-fired mortar exploded at a roadside restaurant in Spinkai Raghzai village Wednesday, an intelligence official said on condition of anonymity. "We could hear artillery fire the whole night," said Alam Gul Bitani, who lives in neighboring Jandola village.
He said dozens of families, many on foot, and carrying their children and bundles of possessions, were streaming into his village to avoid the siege by about 1,000 troops, which began Wednesday. The militants - led by Abdullah Mehsud, a former Guantanamo Bay prisoner blamed for masterminding the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers - have fired back at the troops with mortars and guns. Sherpao said troops have surrounded Spinkai Raghzai, about 55 kilometers (35 miles) northeast of Wana, to capture Mehsud, who was released from the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in March.
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PRINCE Harry's brawl with a snapper came at the end of a night's clubbing that saw him swigging vodka cocktails, tequila and beer... This situation should not have happened. Unless the royal family wants to be reduced by a member or two, the young Prince should have about four SAS gentlemen around him--ones that would insure that *nobody* uninvited got within 25 ft. of his highness without getting ought broken.
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So what's wrong about having his picture taken? Big f'ing deal.
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It's not that simple. They swarm him every time he steps out on the sidewalk.
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And just one of them needs to scream "Al Ackbar!"
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Remember, Harry is the spare in Diana's "heir and a spare." None of the rules are the same for him as for Crown Prince William. Just as the rules for Fergie were so much less stringent than for Diana.
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Constructing random monuments is all the rage in Russia. After decades of the obligatory statues of Lenin and Stalin on every town's main square, people are acquiring a taste for sculptures that honor everyday things or overlooked characters from Russian culture. Famous poet Alexander Pushkin is an ever popular monument item, and a cultural figure that is a constant source of folklore. However, a new sculpture in Pskov region depicts not the poet, but a hare that supposedly ran across Pushkin's path in 1825, when Pushkin was fleeing exile to St. Petersburg. One new statue in the Moscow metro commemorates the misery of all homeless dogs. Entitled "Empathy", the dog sculpture is situated in a metro passage where two years ago a stray dog was viciously butchered by 22-year-old model Juliana Romanova. Other new projects feature products that are symbolic for a particular city, or beloved Russian foods. One such sculpture will be a tribute to the processed cheese "Druzhba" (friendship). This year the cheese turns 40 years old, and many consider it a true symbol of the Soviet era. In Minusinsk, Krasnoyarsk Region, the mayor announced a contest for the best design of a tomato sculpture, to be set up on the central square. In Novgorod, pensioner Nikolai Zaryadov has constructed a makeshift potato monument in his home village: a two meter pipe with a large rock, presumably a potato, on top. At the foot of this potato shrine is the inscription "Thank you Columbus, thank you Peter the Great, for our beloved vegetable!" Zaryadov says he constructed the sculpture so that the current generation of Russians can remember that the vegetable saved millions of people from starvation. We can't let the Russians outdo us on this front. I suggest we start collecting funds immediately for a giant bronze statue of Cheez Whiz!
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All the above mentioned is obviously the work of TROTSKYITE DEVIATIONIST WRECKERS! One day these capitalist lapdogs will meet their fate...
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"Zaryadov says he constructed the sculpture so that the current generation of Russians can remember that the vegetable saved millions of people from starvation."
And source of vodka, of course, Russia's Breakfast of Champions.
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Russian vodka uses grain, not potatoes. You're thinking of the Polish crap.
As to or in the significance of the potato, that persists. Perhaps as many as a third of the population live off of potatoes and other vegetables grown in their backyard or in communal plots.
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Oops - Did this change over time - or was it always the case? I recall reading this factoid in multiple places, mainly the spy novels of my earlier years, when there was this nasty Cold War thingy on. Sorry!
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Russian vodka's the best in the world, by far. Next time you're leaving Sheremetyevo stop by duty-free and get some Gzhel'. About $10 per liter and far superior to western junk priced many times higher.
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Now a citizen, my wife, about to cast her second vote for "W", grew up there, and remembers all the statues, now asunder. The Stalin ones are gone, some melted for doorstops, others for kitchen utensils. Don't mention Stalin to her though, or you'll get a 30 minute litany about how this "Crazy Georgian cockroach who had everyone scared or duped!" Melt down statues? Excellent.
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I really liked the dog one. I work in rescue and get some dogs that have been really abused, like a beautiful Samoyed (is there any other kind?) that was used as a paintball target.
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jackal - Ah, Samoyeds - my absolute favorite breed. I've had 2 and they were, hands down, the smartest dogs I've ever personally dealt with. Just amazingly fast learners and perfect even temperament. If I lived in a colder climate, I'd finagle / rearrange things so I could get one. My last one, King, weighed 80 lbs and was incredibly intimidating, lol! Scared the shit outta everyone, man and beast alike! But he was sweet to everyone I permitted "in" - and he waited for me to invite them, too. Awesome companion.
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Russia's parliament ratified the Kyoto Protocol in a historic vote meaning that the UN global warming pact is now virtually guaranteed to enter into force.
A Georgia family is trying to figure out why a woman moved into their home while they were away on vacation. Beverly Mitchell, of the Atlanta suburb of Douglasville, said she returned from 2œ weeks in Greece to find that her personal belongings -- including clothes, furniture and dishes -- had been removed. She said most of the carpet had also been taken out and the house had been redecorated. "I was ready to strangle this woman," Mitchell said. "How could you not know someone lives here?" Sheriff's deputies found Beverly Valentine, 53, in a bathroom and charged her with burglary. Police said Valentine told them she used a shovel to break into the house. Mitchell said the woman had the electricity switched over to her name and also moved in a washer and dryer. She brought in her own furniture, clothes and decorations and even repainted rooms in the house. "Now we have portraits hanging on the wall that we didn't have before," Mitchell said. "And we've got all kinds of new appliances." Mitchell has moved all of Valentine's belongings out but doesn't know what to do with them. She hopes the woman's relatives will reclaim the goods. "It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen," Mitchell said. Investigators at the Douglas County Sheriff's Office said they are unsure why Valentine moved into the woman's home. The suspect has not yet explained her actions. "She's never met her before so we really don't know why this lady picked this particular house," said sheriff's Lt. Bobby Holmes.
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Anybody who has ever moved into a new house knows that this urge to redecorate is a sign of insanity. Except my wife, of course.
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all that in 2-1/2 weeks, huh? WTF???
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I can forsee a new show on one of the cable channels: "House-Break Makeover"
There's no way in hell this would happen in any neighborhood I've ever lived in (except possibly in my NYC apartment building - who would know?). Somebody would have been over there investigating why lights were on, deliveries being made, etc.
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tu3031 you have to get us that picture. I will archive it in the moonbat folder I am starting.
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As South Africa in the nineties was gaining a well-deserved reputation as the world's best haven for criminals, a family arrived home from holiday to find that their entire house had been stolen. The thieves had demolished and removed it, brick by brick. Imagine driving up to your front gate, thinking it's great to be home ....
As many as 29 North Koreans entered a South Korean school in Beijing on Friday and requested asylum, adding to a surge in large-scale defections from the communist nation. Twenty-three women and six men entered the school through its unlocked, unguarded back gate, South Korea's national news agency Yonhap reported. "We fled North Korea and want to live in South Korea," they were quoted as saying.
"Got anything to eat? Say! That's a tasty-looking begonia you've got on your desk!"
An Asian diplomat in Beijing confirmed that more than 20 North Koreans had entered the school.
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This is becoming a continuing theme in China.
How long will it take before the NKorean nut case calls them all home.
Oh...maybe that's it...the recall has begun and the mad rush for freedom is afoot!
VIENNA: Iran is behind "terrorism" in the West Bank, visiting Israeli President Moshe Katzav charged Thursday. "Iran is very active in the area of terrorism" and "between 60 and 70 percent of West Bank terrorism is carried out by the Hezbollah (Lebanese Shiite movement) which is financed by Iran," he told the Austrian news agency APA. "Iran is not just a totalitarian state, it also backs terror in the Middle East as well as international terrorism," he added. Katzav, who is on the first-ever visit by an Israeli head of state to Austria, also stressed that Iran's nuclear program was a threat "to Israel and Europe". "Why does Iran need rockets with a range of 3,000 kilometers (1860 miles)? Why does Iran invest in the development of weapons of mass destruction," he rhetorically asked.
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All the more reason to reduce Iran's exposed nuclear facilities to rubble.
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Typical, the Israelis would say that as Iran is
next in their scope in order to become a regional power. Suppose they won't let the UN inspect their nuclear facilities! Mossad causes a lot of problems and blame it elsewhere !
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Iran without nukes (and turbans) => peaceful emerging economic powerhouse of the Persian Gulf
I ran across my first Keerite the other day(must shamefully adimit it is my cousin)I found a web page listing some of Kerry's flipflops.Now I'm trying to find the record of his congressional voting and not getting anywhere.Can someone point me in the right direction.Any help in showing that voting for Kerry would be a huge mistake will be appreciated.
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I would definitely start with the Kerry Spot and The Corner to see if they can have an open mind. You know links to the Bush or RNC sites would be ignored by anyone inclined to Skeery. Perhaps they'll actually read NRO stuff.
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"I'm an internationalist," Kerry told The Crimson in 1970. "I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."
Then his 1994 statement just released.
Then his global test statement.
He hasn't changed.
Also how is VVAW moved their meeting 3x so the FBI couldn't find them. They were discussing murdering senators.
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Today (yesterday?) a post here from Buffalo, NY, about how back in the day their chapter of the VVAW refused to have Kerry speak because he was too upper class for them -- The Man in drag, so to speak.
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The Russians are making out both ways on the India/China deal.
Question: Do the former commies still have a navy of their own?
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The Indian Navy has a long history of purchasing or renting subs from the former Soviets. There have been good deals...and also bad deals.
At one time, the Indian Navy had four Foxtrot class subs. Their material condition was so poor that operation of the subs below periscope depth was restricted.
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Israel just sold a very expensive submarine training simulation to India. Israel is also training the Indian navy in the use of the submarine simulation. Not to mention a air to air exercise with Israel with the presence of AWACS, in early 2005. AWACS was not invloved in the recent air to air exercise with the U.S. The U.S was very impressed with the Indian AF.
The Paki's will soon be like a cornered cobra with no fangs or venom. Best-effort just will not do.
Polish lawmakers narrowly voted against reintroducing the death penalty Friday, seven years after abolishing it to meet European human rights standards. Parliament's lower house voted 198-194 with 14 abstentions to reject the proposal by the center-right opposition Law and Justice party. President Aleksander Kwasniewski has said he would veto any law restoring the death penalty, calling it a "mistaken concept that goes against European standards" and the teachings of Polish-born Pope John Paul II.
Premeditated murder apparently isn't...
Friday's vote followed a series of headline-grabbing murders in Poland, including the case of a young woman who was tortured and killed on a train, then dumped out of the window. The killings prompted conservative legislators in June to propose bringing back the death penalty for murders committed with "extreme cruelty" and with motives "deserving special condemnation."
Premeditation would be enough to meet my personal criterion. It's my opinion the perps should join their victims as a simple matter of justice.
Poland, which joined the European Union on May 1, eliminated the death penalty in 1997 while moving to adopt EU standards. In 2000, Poland ratified a protocol to the European Charter on Human Rights that pledges it not to use capital punishment.
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Could they backdate their ruling to say, 1941? Might have avoided Auschwitz...
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If they had mandatory life without parole, there wouldn't be as much tension about death penalty between the US and Europe; but when cannibalistic pre-med murderers get 8 years in Germany, and other categories of murderers get "counseling", we start seeing that Atlantic rift split wider and wider.
NAWABSHAH: Hundreds of angry people from the Rind tribe staged a sit-in and burnt tyres on the national highway to protest the killing of one of their tribesmen by the Syed tribe. The road was blocked and traffic was suspended for hours. According to the Rind tribe, their man was murdered by the Syeds over illegal occupation of government forestland in Sukhpur. The dispute between the two tribes has been a prolonged one and armed men from both the tribes had established pickets around the claimed land. Earlier, a group of Syeds demonstrated in front of the Nawabshah Press Club where they alleged that the Rinds had occupied forestland. The Rind displayed the body of their slain man on the national highway, burnt tyres and blocked the road. Demonstrators shouted slogans and demanded the immediate arrest of the killers. Police negotiated with the protesters and restored traffic.
Sounds like they need more Shariah...
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One of the few unchallenged accomplishments of Myanmar's military junta — securing peace with the country's armed ethnic rebel groups — may be in jeopardy after Prime Minister Gen. Khin Nyunt lost his job this week. A delegation of Karen ethnic guerrillas — among the last rebel groups that has not signed a cease-fire with the government — returned to their jungle bases Thursday from a peace mission to Myanmar's capital, staying only two days for what were supposed to be weeklong talks. The interruption came after Khin Nyunt, architect of 17 ceasefires reached with ethnic separatists, was abruptly ousted on Tuesday and replaced with Lt. Gen. Soe Win, who is associated with a more hard-line army faction disinclined to compromise with its opponents. Myanmar officials have quickly underlined that policies won't change on some of the major issues facing the regime — a promised timetable for gradual democratization and the cease-fires with ethnic minorities seeking greater autonomy.
Myanmar, also known as Burma, has been under military rule since 1962. The current group of generals has been in power since 1988 and has attracted widespread international criticism for its widely documented human rights abuses and refusal to allow democracy. It held elections in 1990, but refused to hand over power when the party of opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi won a landslide victory. Suu Kyi is currently in detention. Amid the government assurances, the Karen are taking a wait-and-see attitude to the new premier. But another group, the Shan State Army, believes the future is bleak. "The generals are clinging to a military solution, we believe that once they settle their internal affairs, the military will launch more offensives on the ethnic nationalities," said the group's spokeswoman, Khur Hsen.
Burma "has been under military rule since 1962." I'd call that one of the most gradual transitions to democracy imaginable, second only to Soddy Arabia and North Korea. The generals have made Burma — historically Thailand's rival — into a backwater basket case. I'd call them one of the best imaginable arguments against military rule.
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Spanish police said on Thursday they had detained three Pakistanis and six Iranians suspected of drug trafficking and money laundering. The police said the nine men were picked up in a raid in Madrid after a series of violent robberies during which some of the suspects had posed as police officers. All nine face expulsion following the raid which ended a monitoring operation begun in August.
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There has been commentary that concentration on the WoT has lead to neglect of the war on drugs. I am very pleased to note that, in actuality, the two are connected -- such that tracing the links of the one leads to arrests/convictions of the other. Coupling this with the large numbers of arms that in the past three years have been either used up or captured and blown up, I have come to believe that in the not to distant future the world will be a delightfully safer place. Well done, all!
Defiant Palestinian militants pounded Jewish settlements in the southern Gaza Strip with mortar fire Friday, following the killing of a top Hamas militant in an Israeli airstrike. Tens of thousands of angry Hamas supporters joined the funeral procession for Adnan al-Ghoul, 46, a founder and deputy chief of the Hamas military wing who was on Israel's most-wanted list since 1990. Mourners and leaders of the Islamic militant group threatened revenge attacks against Israel. "Hamas is loyal to the blood of its martyrs and will continue on the path of holy war and resistance until we achieve victory by defeating the Zionists," Ismail Hanieh, a Hamas leader, said in a rare appearance at a Gaza City mosque.
I think Ismail might be on the list, too...
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"Hamas is loyal to the blood of its martyrs and will continue on the path of holy war and resistance until we achieve victory by defeating the Zionists,"
translated into hebrew: "kill us"
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Why don't the Israelis just bomb the funeral procession as well?
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Because Israel's targeted assassinations are semi-tolerated by the Jew-haters of Europe, but if they killed too many terrorists AT ONCE that would be too much for them to stomach.
The same mentality operates against US military actions in Iraq. Kill a few here and there and that's fine. Bomb a house and kill more tan say 10 and the whole world of NGOs and America-haters gets excited and out comes a logorrhea of irrational bile.
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...they killed too many terrorists AT ONCE that would be too much for them to stomach. The same mentality operates against US military actions in Iraq.
That's because killing terrorists should only be done at 'nuisance' levels.
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One militant preparing to fire a mortar shell at Neve Dekalim was killed and another was gravely injured. Palestinians said the dead man was a known Hamas activist. It was unclear if the men were hit by Israeli fire or the mortar shell exploded prematurely.
Oh good. Another scenario for their new video game. "Martyr or Idiot? You make the call."
Justice Bashir A Mujahid of the Lahore High Court (LHC) will retire on October 31. After the retirement of Justice Mujahid, the number of LCH judges will be 34. The LHC has a constitutional capacity of 50 judges.
Somehow, I feel more secure knowing that the Lahore High Court won't have a sitting justice named "Mujahid." I'm not sure why...
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Police produced Syed Irfan Ali, an alleged terrorist arrested on Wednesday, in an anti-terrorism court (ATC) in Multan for judicial remand for 14 days on Thursday. Zahoorul Haq, the ATC No. 1 judge, remanded accused Irfan for an identification parade in which the real estate agent and the owner of the car used in the Rashidabad bomb explosion would recognise the alleged terrorist, police said. Akhtar Bharwana of Jhang, an activist of Pasban-e-Islam, was a mastermind of the Rashidabad bomb explosion, said Irfan, 32, in police custody. He said Pasban-e-Islam was organised by Ali Nasir Suhail of Jauharabad, Khushab, when the government banned Sipah-e-Muhammad. He was killed in a shootout in Jauharabad, he added. He said the group had been involved in 82 terrorist activities since 2000.
Irfan told police that his accomplices, Ali Shah of Rawalpindi and Amjad Shah and Ghulam Abbas of Bhakkar, were Pasban-e-Islam's active workers. According to Habib Ahmed Khan, a sub-divisional police officer, Irfan had confessed that his group had planned to eliminate leaders of banned Millat-e-Islamia. They wanted to drive the car near the venue of the meeting but they had to park the car mid-way. "We used a remote-controlled device for the blast when the meeting was over," he said, adding: "I visited Islamabad to kill Maulana Azam Tariq and used police uniform and a blue light-fitted car to escape checking. I got the remote-controlled bomb and explosive material from Jhang." He said Bharwana was arrested on charges of the murder of Maulvi Shoaib of Rawalpindi but was later released on bail. Then he went to Iran. He was also involved in Mallu-Morr (Jhang) terrorist activity in which five Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan activists were killed. He said he came to Multan to plan terrorism and stayed at an inn near Gaddafi Squre. He posed himself as Ghulam Raza and produced a fake identity card.
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Margaret Hassan, the kidnapped director of CARE International in Iraq, appeared on a videotape aired Friday, weeping and pleading with British Prime Minister Tony Blairto withdraw troops from Iraq "and not bring them to Baghdad" because "this might be my last hour. Please help me," a haggard and terrified Hassan begged in the video, aired by the Arabic television station Al-Jazeera. "This might be my last hour. Please help me." Hassan — an Irish-British-Iraqi national who has been doing humanitarian work in Iraq for 30 years, including distributing medicine and food — at one point broke down in tears and buried her face in a tissue. "The British people, tell Mr. Blair to take the troops out of Iraq and not bring them here to Baghdad. That's why people like myself and Mr. Bigley have been caught. Please, please, I beg of you," she said.
"I dont want to die like Bigley," referring to British hostage Kenneth Bigley who was decapitated on a video posted this month on an Islamist Web site. Before his slaying, his kidnappers released two videos of Bigley pleading for Blair to act to save him. Though women have been kidnapped in Iraq's wave of abductions, none have been killed, and all have been freed unharmed. The wrenching appeal by Hassan, who was kidnapped on Tuesday in Baghdad, puts new political pressure on Blair's government, a day after it agreed to a U.S. request that it redeploy troops from the south to the Baghdad region in order to free up U.S. troops to assault insurgents. Blair's Downing Street office had no immediate comment on the video.
The kidnappers — who pulled Hassan out of her car at gunpoint — have pointed in previous statements to her British citizenship. Born in Dublin, she also holds Irish citizenship and was naturalized as an Iraqi after marrying an Iraqi. In the tape, Hassan — visible from the shoulders up — stands in front of a bare wall. The tape did not include any claim of responsibility nor did it show any of the kidnappers. An editor at Al-Jazeera, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the network received the tape Friday but refused to say how or where. He said the tape included only Hassan's statement. I'd like to comment on this article, but quite frankly, I'm speechless. Other than to say we must not allow these dreadful men to bully their way into power one butchery at a time. Please stand fast, Britain.
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It seems pretty clear that Al-Jazeera is an accomplice in publicizing propaganda movies of human slaughter and terrified victims.
I am pretty sure the UK will not surrender military operations to such blackmail.
But will they tolerate the "contribution" of Al-Jazeera? Why is this Islamofascist front still around?
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It may not do much to military ops, but it will shorten Tony Blair's political career span. If they release film of her beheading, I fear the reaction in Britain. Any thoughts, Bulldog et al?
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...I hope I am not misconstruing this, but:
The tape did not include any claim of responsibility nor did it show any of the kidnappers.
This seems very out of character for these monsters. Combined with Miss Hassan's statement, I am hoping that what we're seeing isn't staged..
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Mike - I think this was like an auction tickler...
"We have a bona-fide weeper here, ready and willing to say anything you care to script. She's unbranded and will have the UK Press by the short 'n curlies. So, who's interested in screwing with Blair? What's our opening bid?"
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When such a film is shown, the Brits should react with the disgust and anger due the jihadis for conducting such barbaric beheadings, instead of buying into the politically popular opinion that kidnappings and beheadings are forms of legitimate resistance. Tony should not be punished for refusing to buckle to the deadly blackmail of the barbarians.
But the harsh truth is that you almost certainly will die, so the question for you is whether you will summon up some courage and deny the jihadists the chance to make another recruiting tape, or die like a coward.
Harsh? Yes. But Bigley-ism must be stopped in its tracks. A monster has been unleashed. Unless ordinary people find some courage in them and refuse to give in to emotional blackmail, there will be many, many more such victims.
Courage, girl. No one will remember what you did before now, but everyone you love, and millions more, will remember how you carried yourself during your final days.
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Al-Jazeera? hy is this Islamofascist front still around?
your comment stupid mother f$%&cker display your level of inteligence go back to your father testicles, becouse you scum! do not deserve this life
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She's Irish.
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I have no confidence in "the British people" to support their Prime Minister, he'll have to hold out on his own ...
And lex, I'm sorry to say, but the answer is no, she wants to go out a coward just like Ken Bigley.
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Still f*ckin angry though.
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Bigley-ism, and I'm hesitant about coining the phenomenon under a single individuals' name, seems to spring from the diminution of courage; the advance of moral ambiguity as a result of radical egalitarianism and the inevitable puncturing of the leftâs rejectionist fantasy (Iâm with the oppressed third worlders) by an ugly reality. The pleading raises one's hackles because it is clearly an effective propaganda tool by Islamofascist thugs waging an asymmetric war (assuming they are conversant in such concepts), and it is ineffective but intimate narcissism by the victim.
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Imagine yourself in that situation. There are literally millions of people around the world watching you, waiting to see how you will behave.
Your choice is really very simple: you can deny your killers the satisfaction of making you cringe, weep, and play along in their little snuff film. Or you can say No, I won't play your game, because it requires me to renounce everything that I love and hold dear in life.
Is that really a difficult choice for someone with anything like a sense of dignity? Or any parent: What lesson would you want to impart to your children-- here's your dad, he's a coward, his cowardice has been broadcast around the world, and he has aided a group of monsters in their efforts to recruit more monsters in their cause of slaughter?
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One item that should be considered in the evaluation of the hostages' behaviour is that the terrorists seem to have a fully stocked pharmaceutical cabinet at their disposal. Unfortuantely, by the time we find out the truth these deaths may only be footnotes in a very ugly story.
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The worst aspect of Bigley-ism is the personal appeals to Tony Blair. This is a variety of emotional blackmail that any Briton, hell, any member of civilization, must find utterly repulsive. Shame on the press for playing along.
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One think that is perplexing: how come she has been active (living?) in Iraq for the last 30 years? what kind of deals had she made with the Baathists?
Not that it matters to her current ordeal, just wondering about the real story. Since her husband was Iraqi, did he live in the UK or in Iraq? who's side was he on? where is he now?
You'd think she'd have the wherewithal to hold her chin up high (like the Italian hostage did) and show her thugish captors how a, "...CARE worker dies!!!"
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This poor lady will die at the hands of Islamofascists. Please do not express disdain for someone so clearly helpless. She' can't defend herself Please pray for her and the victims that were murdered before her.
But please do not show this anger at someone who cannot defend herself, and who know nothing of war and death.
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I don't know if this hostage is a player or an innocent-but I have to admit, if she is an innocent and I were in her place, I'd be sh*tting my pants and gulping bile and sleepless for days obsessing over what was to happen. I would try my very best to do what you say, lex and don yassin, because I do admire the Italian hostage who stood proudly defiant of his executioners, I admire that courage and integrity. I hope I would have the courage to do that in that situation. But imagine that nightmare threat hanging over you.
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Thank you, Badanov. It is important to remember that it is the Islamist Pigs who are the enemy. It is up to our leadership to stand tall and lead our nations.
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Some observations and questions about the abducted lady. First, let's get this very clear: I hope she escapes alive. And I'd like to know more about her background.
She's been living in Iraq for 30 years. She married an Iraqi and has an Iraqi passport.
She could travel (and did travel) back and forth between Iraq and the UK.
It is known that after the invasion of Koweit and during Gulf War I she chose to stay in Iraq. Apparently the war against Iran didn't prompt her to leave Iraq either.
Since 1991, she had been lobbying British MPs to lift sanctions, she had been complaining that the UN was (deliberately?) starving poor children, and in 2002 she warned of a humanitarian disaster should the Coalition attack Saddam.
When did she ever denounce the Baathist regime?
How did she manage to live and travel so freely under that dictatorship? who picked her and let her run that CARE charity org in Iraq since 1992?
Who is her husband and what has his role been under the Baathist regime? is she a Moslem convert?
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And what in God's name was she doing moving around Iraq unprotected?
Anyone with an ounce of sense in their little brain would be carrying an assault rifle and a sidearm!
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Sorry, badanov, but this woman has already seen the emotional blackmail that was used against Bigley. She has no excuse for her disgraceful behavior. If she has even half a brain she will know that her words will encourage still more kidnappings and cause the death of many more hapless victims like herself.
There is a point at which people of good will must stand up and refuse to play the emotional blackmail game. We reached that point quite a while ago.
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Another alternative to consider is that given the potential answers to Kalle's questions and the anomalies Mike pointed out in #4, this may actually be a put on to destabilize Tony.
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From the time of Bigley, still applies!
"In a report on the predicament of British engineer Ken Bigley, kidnapped by the evil murdering holy warriors of Zarqawiâs Tawhid wal Jihad gang, Scotland on Sunday has a quote from the Islamic kidnappers that was ignored in other media reports, but perfectly illustrates the mentality of these creatures: Help in the grip of evil. (Hat tip: Chris Lynch.)
âGiven the sensitivity, we are saying nothing,â one Downing Street official explained. Privately, Blair recognises the Bigley familyâs predicament is âghastlyâ, but he will not negotiate with terrorists.
This does not seem to bother the hostage-takers. They began taunting Western governments over their efforts to seek their citizensâ release from captivity. Late on Friday a fresh message appeared on a website believed to be used by al-Zarqawi which read: âWhat is laughable is the insistence of the ministers of all infidel nationalities on the phrase âno negotiationsâ. As if there was any question of negotiation. Far from it - they must obey the demands of the Mujahadeen. If you refuse, we slaughter.â
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Boy, do I wish the SAS or Delta Force boys could nab Zarqawi! Failing that, a few tons of napalm dropped on their neighbourhood would do. That would teach them the REAL meaning of slaughter!
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I have not seen the video tape of Hassan. I did, however, hear the audio portion of the video on the radio while coming home from work. Unless Hassan is a damn good actress, I think the kidnapping is for real and this isn't a stunt by the left wing. Upon hearing Hassan's words my only thought was this: In the face of an awful death I pray I can muster more courage and dignity than she (and Bigley) demonstrated. In the face of evil Bigley died without honor. Given what I heard on the radio today, I suspect Hassan will do likewise.
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Lex, I am not saying pay ransom or give in to blackmail, but for Christ's sakes, the women is clearly terrified. You have to have some sympathy that she is facing her mortality, and not in a way any of us should wish to face it.
Where the hell if your humanity? Are we not fighting against this barbarity that is Islam? Are we not fighting against terrorism which these public acts so clearly are?
Doesn't fighting terrorism mean we must also preserve our high implicit value we hold on human life, that not just marks open and democratic societies, but also our own personal values? Are not our values, democracy, free markets and our rights worth preserving and worth expressing.
Sympathy for this poor woman's plight would go a long way towards bolstering the fact we are in this not just for ourselves but for everyone? After all, in the war on terror we are all combatants whether we want to be or not.
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The woman is begging to the wrong people -- she should be begging to her captors. But she is not because they will make what little remains of her life far more painful if she does not play her assigned role. The begging makes it all the more imperative that we not give in to these demons and that we silence their accomplice, Al-Jazeera. Al-Jazeera needs to take a few hard hits from out of nowhere.
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To the people highlighting Bigley and Hassan as hostages who act cowardly: who the hell hasn't acted cowardly, by your definition? I could name names, including a fair few Americans, but I think that's pretty damn insulting to people whose lives were and are on the line. Only one man that I'm aware of, Fabrizio Quattrocchi, behaved in the sort of defiant manner I assume you think you yourselves would be capable of - the rest have died disgusting deaths in misery and fear. And recall that Quattrocchi was the only one of his group to be killed. His defiance, admirable though it was, didn't seem to do him any favours in the getting-out-alive stakes.
Calling murder victims cowards is about as sick as you can f***ing get...
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A car bomb at the headquarters of Al-Jazeera for being part and parcel to the producton of these videos is in order. The hostages that have been released all have said Al-Jazeera was there filiming. Al-Jazeera knows where they are. Al-Jazeera is part of the kidnap gang. TakeAl-Jazeera out of the equation. A bomb everytime they show one of these videos.
I hope this lady gets out of this OK but I don't hold out great hope for her as this is the muslim cult of death we are talking about.
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Bulldog: To the people highlighting Bigley and Hassan as hostages who act cowardly: who the hell hasn't acted cowardly, by your definition? I could name names, including a fair few Americans, but I think that's pretty damn insulting to people whose lives were and are on the line. Only one man that I'm aware of, Fabrizio Quattrocchi, behaved in the sort of defiant manner I assume you think you yourselves would be capable of - the rest have died disgusting deaths in misery and fear. And recall that Quattrocchi was the only one of his group to be killed. His defiance, admirable though it was, didn't seem to do him any favours in the getting-out-alive stakes.
Bulldog - only three people have been shown begging for their lives. The Filipino, Bigley and this woman. Everyone else kept a stiff upper lip. The defiant Italian's reaction was broadcast by accident. Jihadis get to show what they want to show. The fact is that everyone else went to their deaths stoically. Except for these three people. These folks are the scum of the earth.
Bulldog: Calling murder victims cowards is about as sick as you can f***ing get...
They did not have to be in Iraq. They chose to be. Most faced their fate bravely and without complaint. These three are blaming everyone except themselves and the terrorists. This is why they are cowards. They couldn't take the heat. They should never have been in the kitchen.
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Bulldog: Calling murder victims cowards is about as sick as you can f***ing get...
I think you have also forgotten the brave souls who are either dead or wounded because they refused to be kidnapped and fought back. If you submit, you deserve what you get. (I have a Samson complex - I believe in pulling the temple down over my enemies. If I were in Iraq, they would not have taken me prisoner. Even if the only prize I got in return for my life was an attacker's eye, I would have done it).
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An appropriate response by Tony Blair to the blackmail demands made by the terrorists through the pleadings of Mrs. Hassan: I'm ordering another 25,000 British Marines to Fallujah and Baghdad.
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I've seen the video, but isn't it unusual for Zarqawi's hard boys to take women hostages? And considering #23's comments (plus other media sources that agree), there's at least the possibility that this is a repeat of the two Italian women hostages scenario. If the terrorists are willing to release a lefty Aussie journalist after googling his long record of anti-Americanism, I'm going to be a bit skeptical.
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if it isn't another situation like the two italian traitor babes, we can't condemn her. I would also like her to be strong like the dead italian, but jeebus, I don't think I have the standing to criticize her. I agree with Blair's response - 25K more angry troops - don't let the hostage-takers benefit
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Bulldog - only three people have been shown begging for their lives. The Filipino, Bigley and this woman. Everyone else kept a stiff upper lip. The defiant Italian's reaction was broadcast by accident. Jihadis get to show what they want to show. The fact is that everyone else went to their deaths stoically. Except for these three people. These folks are the scum of the earth.
Which folks are you referring to?
I suppose those American hostages who "screamed" as their throats were cut were being 'stoic'? Let me remind you that I didn't start this filthy argument. Don't try to make out most other victims have died with dignity. There is no dignity for anyone involved in this sort of shit.
Has it occurred to you that the British hostages have been allowed to plead for their lives because their killers think they can use such footage to try to put pressure on Blair? The Americans taken with Bigley may not have even been given the chance to beg for mercy. Their killers know that Bush wouldn't make any concessions, whereas Blair's position is much weaker, and both sides know that Zarqawi would be exceedingly unlikely to ever release American hostages alive, anyway.
Most faced their fate bravely and without complaint.
It seems you haven't read transcripts or reports of, or actually seen any of the murder footage have you?
These three are blaming everyone except themselves and the terrorists. This is why they are cowards. They couldn't take the heat. They should never have been in the kitchen.
They are/were trying to save their skins. I think in the same situation, many, if not most, people would do the same. Using your logic, I suppose girls who wear short skirts deserved to get raped, huh?
A TURKISH welder kidnapped in Iraq and threatened with death if his company did not withdraw from the neighbouring nation has escaped his captors, his family said today.
"I am outta here!"
Abdurrahman Yildirim, 21, was who reportedly abducted last week, called his family on Wednesday to say he escaped and was free, his uncle Mehmet Balli said by telephone from the southern town of Osmaniye. Yildirim's mother, Fatma, told the Anatolia news agency that her son fled when one of his captors left the door open where he was being held.
Oboy! More executions coming up! Even better!
He then went to a market and contacted Iraqi police. He was later brought to US authorities, Fatma Yildirim was quoted as saying. Turkish news reports have said kidnappers threatened to kill Yildirim if his company, Kulak Construction Company, did not withdraw from Iraq. A Foreign Ministry official confirmed that Yildirim had been kidnapped and was threatened with death, but could not immediately confirm that he was free.
Do they think he's lying? Or that he's not him?
Yildirim told his family that he was taken to an Iraqi hospital after he escaped. "His condition is good, but the boy is in shock," Balli said. He had no further details on Yildirim's release. Officials from Yildirim's company were not immediately available for comment. Last week, a video that appeared on an Islamic website showed militants in Iraq beheading a man identified as a kidnapped Turkish driver. He was the sixth Turk slain by militants who oppose the US-led occupation of Iraq. Most of the victims have worked for or alongside coalition interests in the country. More than 150 foreigners have been kidnapped in Iraq. Some kidnappers seek ransom money, but others have political objectives such as the withdrawal of foreign companies or troops serving in the US-led multinational force. While six Turks have been slain by the militants, more than 30 others have been freed by their captors.
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A new study has found that it is not likely that Al Qaeda has explicit and dedicated infrastructure to recruit Pakistanis for its operations, rather it relies upon a web of informal relations with groups based in Pakistan to gain access to operational collaborators and individuals to execute attacks within Pakistan.
I'd call that a pretty fine distinction, myself...
The study was made by Dr Christine Fair of the US Institute of Peace and is due to appear in an academic journal. The research for the study was carried out while she was with the Rand Corporation. The investigation found that historically individuals in Pakistan have been drawn to militant outfits (tanzeems) mostly due to dynamics in the Indo-Pakistan security competition. However, many observers believe that this may be changing and suggested that the pervasive anti-US sentiment may motivate new cadres to join militant outfits as well. There are groups that are traditionally focused on Kashmir such as Jaish e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LT); and groups that have traditionally been sectarian in nature, such as each of these groups has received state support in various guises over the years. The study found that Kashmir-focused outfits have enjoyed extensive and enduring patronage of the ISI and the Pakistan Army.
I think we've noticed that, despite the repeated denials from the parties concerned...
Sectarian groups have also been engaged by various state and central governments. Gen Pervez Musharraf's participation in the US-led global war on terrorism has led to an extensive set of efforts to counter militancy within Pakistan. There is no evidence to suggest that Pakistan has made a strategic decision to abandon militancy in Jammu and Kashmir. It will attempt to both maintain this reserve capability while seeking to restrict their activities to a threshold that will not prompt Indian, US, or other international response.
Perv and ISI still haven't caught on to the fact that you just can't domesticate terrorists. That single fact could likely be Perv's downfall, to the detriment of the rest of the world.
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The report may be right, as far as it goes. The author focuses on tanzeems which were creations of and for the Indo-Pakestani conflict. But, she neglicts to mention the several thousand madrassahs funded by Saudi and Deobandi radicals and supported by the ISI. These supply the jihadis manpower requirements. Fraud by exception.
#1
Our funds should be spent on helping immigrants learn English, not contributing to disunity through multilingual efforts.
Not going to happen, as long as votes can be had, business can be gained, and ethnic egos can be stroked by licking the asses of some particular ethnic group.
#2
An excellent anecdote on why English must be the only official language of the US.
Incidentally, I learned the other day from a teacher friend that an administrator of their school district was forced out of her position because she was trying to force bilingual ed (and whole language) into the district instead of working with the ESL curriculum THAT WAS ALREADY WORKING. The teachers were the ones who finally revolted and pushed to get her out.
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The only problem I see here is that the multi-culti solution does not go far enough. What about blind people, admittedly a vanishingly small part of the driving population, whose rights are violated by traffic signs designed only for the sighted?
And what about the rights of whales and dolphins, our fellow mammals, who are not even mentioned in the article. Yes, the fascist US 9th Circus Court has ruled they have no standing to sue the US Navy, but does that mean their rights should be trampled simply due to their lack of legs?
Also, in closing, I would like to nominate Canada is the Official Country of Scrappleface.
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What about blind people, admittedly a vanishingly small part of the driving population, whose rights are violated by traffic signs designed only for the sighted?
Well, at least here in California, drive-up ATMs have Braille markings on them.....so we're halfway there...
#1
When I hear people like Skeery proudly proclaiming they have a (magic) "plan", knowing full well they aren't worth the paper they're written on, assuming anyone has actually written it out, I am always reminded of sea-going navigation.
Way back when I was fortunate enough to be invited to join a voyage from Malibu to Hawaii - delivering the sailboat to a buyer. It was fascinating to check the chart and our track as we went - innumerable course corrections to counter constantly changing conditions. Sometime, they were surprisingly large as currents had quickly and dramatically, but silently, altered our course.
This was the real world - a lesson not to be forgotten. Only a jackass / novice would've drawn a chartline from point of departure to destination, taken a bearing, shoved off, and assumed that was that. And that is the value of the "plan" - non-existent.
Skeery's a liar, coward, political opportunist, fear and bullshit mongerer, and demogogue of the worst type possible - listening to him is unbelievably dangerous. And, perhaps worst of all, he's so full of himself it's become apparent he actually believes his own bullshit.
MULTAN: Army intelligence and other intelligence agencies arrested three militants, belonging to a banned sectarian organisation, from a village near Jehanian while they were going to their hideout on Wednesday. They were wanted for a number of sectarian killings and several cases had been registered against them. After intelligence officers intercepted them, they ran in different directions leaving their motorcycle of doom behind.
"Beat it! It's the federales!"
However intelligence teams had already blocked all the exits and arrested them.
"Surprise! Stick 'em up!"
The officers have taken the three men to an undisclosed location. "We will reveal their identities and their involvement in various cases after we beat it out of themthey fell down the stairs a half dozen times a thorough investigation," an official told Daily Times and asked not to be named.
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The political administration on Thursday served notice to Mehsud tribesmen to launch house-to-house searches to track down militant Abdullah Mehsud, the mastermind behind the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers. The Mehsud tribesmen sought time to persuade the local population to start the search operation.
"Oh, yeah? How long will you need?"
"About 12 years!"
They said many tribesmen had shifted to safer places to escape the crossfire between the army and militants and the search operation would be difficult without their permission. However, the administration refused to give them much time and convened a Mehsud jirga for today (Friday) to discuss the search operation. Meanwhile, army helicopter gunships pounded a suspected hideout of Abdullah's a short time before sunset after the shooting between the army and militants had stopped temporarily on Thursday afternoon, security officials said. Military spokesman Maj Gen Shaukat Sultan neither denied nor confirmed the attack, saying "engagements" took place at short intervals. A gas station caught fire in the attack, sources in Jandola told Daily Times.
"We're almost out of gas, Mahmoud!"
"Let's stop up here, Fatimah... Whoa! I think we can make it a little further!"
"The attack happened at around 4:00pm," they added. A military source confirmed that the firing had temporarily stopped in the afternoon to let a jirga recover bodies from the area. "Logically speaking, the shooting must stop before the political administration-backed jirga goes in to negotiate with tribal elders," he added. A Mehsud elder in Tank said the jirga recovered three bodies. "One was of a soldier while three were civilians," he said.
(counting on fingers) "One, two, three, four.....three, that's three bodies."
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Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) has directed FM radio stations to stop rebroadcasting foreign programmes. The authority had issued a circular to all FM radio stations to stop relaying programmes through their radio networks, sources said on Thursday. The PEMRA decision came after a Lahore High Court (LHC) verdict restrained an FM radio station from rebroadcasting BBC programmes on October 13. On behalf of FM 103, Muhammad Imran had submitted a petition claiming PEMRA had threatened to cancel the radio's license on the grounds that the broadcasting of the BBC Urdu service programmes violated electronic media regulations. The LHC directed PEMRA not to cancel the license of FM 103 and barred the radio station from rebroadcasting any foreign radio service programmes.
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O Horrors! We won't be able to hear the Beeb in Lahore no more!
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Hugh Hewitt's audience in South Waziristan must be devastated.
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"Maaaabel!!!! Tahm ta break out th' shortwave!!"
President General Pervez Musharraf on Thursday reiterated his determination to counter subversive actions by foreign saboteurs and their local facilitators. "We shall not allow these terrorists to hold our society hostage to their malicious agendas," the president said while chairing an important meeting of corps commanders at General Headquarters. "Pakistan will not be deterred by sporadic terrorist activities aimed at tarnishing its image and sabotaging domestic peace," the president said.
"Though we'll keep trying to domesticate terrorist groups. Eventually we may get it right..."
He appreciated the security forces combating terrorism in challenging environments of the tribal areas with exemplary courage and devotion. He paid rich tribute to the bravery of officers "who laid down their lives for the nation's benefit". The president also appreciated the role of other law enforcement and intelligence agencies that have nabbed top terrorists and broken networks, a press release issued by Inter Services Public Relations said. He said Pakistan was a responsible country and would continue to play a role in eradicating global terrorism. He called the recent kidnapping of two Chinese engineers unfortunate but said that couldn't affect Pakistan-China relations and attempts to disrupt development projects would be foiled.
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - The attorney for an Islamic charity whose office was searched by FBI agents last week says the charity has no ties to global terrorism or to a Sudanese group with a similar name that is under federal investigation.
"Lies, all lies! Er, what was the question again?"
Attorney Shareef Akeel said the Islamic American Relief Agency-USA has no connection to the Islamic African Relief Agency, which the Bush administration has accused of helping raise more than $5 million to finance Osama bin Laden and other terrorists. "IARA-USA condemns any act of terrorism, any support of terrorism and any heinous use of a charity to support terrorism," Akeel told The Kansas City Star in an article published Thursday. He was speaking on behalf of Mubarak Hamed, former president and executive director of the Islamic American Relief Agency. Last week, the FBI's regional terrorism task force seized computers and records from the group's office in Columbia, Mo. Authorities also searched a storage locker and Hamed's home, as well as the home of a contributor in Wolcott, Conn. No one has been arrested or charged in what the FBI has described as a criminal investigation.
That comes later.
The Treasury Department designated Islamic African Relief Agency, based in Khartoum, Sudan, and five senior officials of the charity as supporters of international terrorism. The charity's assets and accounts were frozen and the department made it illegal to contribute to the organization. The Treasury Department has said it has tied the Missouri office to the Sudanese group, but Akeel denied any connections. "All I can tell you is IARA-USA has its own board. It's a separate entity that's organized in America. It has a completely separate organization than the one in Sudan," Akeel said.
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Rauf Siddiqui, home minister of Pakistan's Sindh province, has vowed to fight terrorism. "Terrorists cannot be eliminated overnight. Every member of society should play his role and people should work together in a cohesive way to get rid of this curse," said Rauf, who was here [in Soddy Arabia] to perform Umrah. The government has done well to maintain peace in the country.
"Well, relatively well, anyway. I mean, things could be worse. Couldn't they?"
"On our part, we have decided to eliminate the culture of street terrorism, fake encounters and extrajudicial killings in Sindh," he said, adding that the government of Sindh is mapping out comprehensive plans to root out crimes. "We are planning to install surveillance cameras in the sensitive areas of various cities to monitor criminal activities," said Rauf.
"Smile for the camera, Mahmoud!"
"Cheese! [KABOOM!]"
He claimed that police performance had improved. Regarding the situation of prisoners, he said: "A plan is under way to grant amnesty to those involved in minor crimes, while those serving life terms will be allowed to spend one or two days with their family once in six months."
That should make things all better, by Gum!
"Ramadan is a blessed month and we should observe its sanctity, but some people fail to refrain from indulging in unlawful acts like hoarding essential commodities and malpractices in this holy month," he said.
Some people fail to refrain from slaughtering each other, too. I dunno why that is...
"In order to keep the situation under control, a special committee has been formed to monitor them and I will personally watch their activities," Rauf said.
Yes, by Gawd! That's it! Form a committee! Now, why didn't I think of that?
He warned them to keep their hands off all such practices or face punishment. "Killing of scholars was an act of cowardice and the culprits will be apprehended soon," Rauf said while expressing grief over the killings of Mufti Jamil Khan and Maulana Nazir Taunsavi.
"Gonna bring 'em in any time now. I can feel it in my bones..."
"Pakistan is a developing country and is still in the process of stabilizing itself, hence we all should join hands and work together for the prosperity of our country."
"I mean, it's only been goin' on 60 years now..."
Rauf further said, "It is the need of the hour to allow President Gen. Pervez Musharraf to retain his army post. While the Parliament has passed the bill allowing Musharraf to retain his army post, the opposition agitation is nothing but a waste of time. Instead, they must do constructive social work in their constituencies with a view to bringing prosperity to the people who voted for them."
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many thanks Guardian! - we have some more ideas we'd like to share...
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I still don't think the Guardian gets it, though, folks; they think it was a success. No doubt many well-written objections came alongside the more colorful ones, but they are not paying attention to those. It doesn't promote their message that Americans are morons who need help walking across the street or voting for a president.
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When this idiotic GU campaign started, I sent the GU a note in response to the hilarious letters from those three anti-American snobs, Lord Daw Daw Dawkins, John Le Carre, and Pinter's wife:
Karl Rove's handiwork is clearly visible in the "letter" from "Richard Dawkins," who outdoes Lord Haw Haw for sneering, condescending nastiness. A special touch is the "Tony Martin" reference, from which ironically-- or rather, intentionally-- small-town Ohioans will draw the exact opposite conclusion from that intended by Lord Daw Daw.
Another brilliant Rovian touch was to select an obscure France-based author of thinly-veiled anti-American pulp fiction as the mouthpiece for this gem:
...please don't feel isolated from the Europe you twice saved.
The cringing Uriah Heap tone is superb! Who knew Rove had such powers of literary characterization? And perfectly calculated to have the opposite effect upon Americans living in Ohio, the home of arch-isolationist Robert Taft and the Dayton Accords: bitter reminders of yet another abject refusal by Europeans to deal forthrightly and courageously to stop fascist slaughter.
Rove also uses this mouthpiece to re-cycle an obvious canard that "Bush was waging his father's war." As if Bush's father, who refused to overthrow Saddam and abandoned the Shi'a and Kurdish rebellions, was not decisively rejected by his son, who broke ranks with his father and Scowcroft and all the other cynical realpolitikers in finally summoning the will and courage to end Saddam's slaughterhouse! So sly and subtle, these inductions dangerous!
As to the third Rovian mole, "Lady Fraser," this seems an odd choice, but surely the master judged that any British female would do, given that the only contemporary British woman known to most Ohioans-- she of People's Princess fame-- died years ago, her memorial teddy bears having been diverted recently to Mr Bigley, the latest symbol of Euro-fortitude.
Auntie Antonia is a suitable vehicle for yet more sure-to-backfire "advice": If you vote for Kerry, you will help to avert a move backwards towards women's suffering. Perfect timing, that: the same week that Ohioans see joyous scenes of Afghan women celebrating their right to vote, run for office, attend school, run businesses-- and all of this due to Bush's war to overthrow the Taliban-- and a barmy old Englishwoman announces that day is night. Bravo, Karl!
Here's hoping the Rove/Guardian machine drafts and sends a thousand such letters to every Ohio household. More, please.
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Robin Burk has an interesting thesis: al G did it to generate the foaming at the mouth anti Kerry letters that they published to contrast with the oh so reasonable pro-Kerry letters to further the divide betwen Britain and the US.
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Simpler than that, Mrs D: it's all about generating publicity and increasing market share. Like Pee Wee Herman's little foray into the peep show.
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If you read the unbelievably snide, patently ridiculous letters to Ohioans from Dawkins et al published as part of this campaign, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the GU's editors did not bother even trying to think through the implications of what they were doing.
I mean, really, a renowned Christian-baiting atheist like Dawkins sending such a snide little (dis)missive to rural midwesterners? And trying to persuade them with a horror story about the wickedness of shooting a burglar?!
This is either a complete Rovian setup, or else an idiotic marketing stunt dreamed up by the business heads. I do not believe that the GU's journalists are so completely clueless as to allow such an obviously backfiring stunt as this.
And hey--the Guardian hasn't even paid the county clerk for the public records list they "purchased." Stupid liberal Brits. So very typical of liberals anywhere.
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...they think you mean London, Ohio, which is in the next-door county. Another is, we have some issues with literacy round here."
When I was younger I thought that libs worked at being condescending. Now I realize that it just oozes out of them. They just can't help it. They honestly think that anyone who disagrees with them is an uncultured, uneducated, cousin-marrying, shotgun-toting, nose-picking, Fox News-watching rube.
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#7, lex
Excellent letter, it deserves a story all by itself. I'm still roflmao over "Lord Daw Daw" and the image of LeCarre as a cringing Uriah Heep.
How like the backward, parochial Euro-left media for Al Guardian to limit its discussion of the backlash to Clark County and Ohio itself, as though new media and the blogosphere didn't exist and therefore this couldn't have been a national story.
Their ideological fellow-travellers in the Hollywood/Madison Avenue Axis chose not to cover it, so in the minds of the smug Euro-bigots and Hate America cultists who comprise the Guardian audience and staff, no such coverage existed.
In fact, Euro interventionists have made a cataclysmic blunder.
The Guardian fiasco, combined with the attempt to pawn off anti-American propaganda shills as "impartial election observers," may be enough to make the difference in a close election.
The key error seems to be an assumption that the authority of the institutional media is still as respected and influential here as it is in Eurabia.
The 70's have been over for a long time on this side of the pond.
They know their audience, but not ours. Their monumentally arrogant fantasy ideology, and the resulting intellectual corruption and decay, will not allow them to learn.
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I liked the bit where the Guardian wouldn't believe the person who told them it wouldn't work because they knew better. Captures the Looney Left mentality perfectly.
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It will not be long before German socialists and pacifists start calling nuclear-armed Iranian mullahs their "partners in security" â the affectionate label they once stuck on Soviet dictator Leonid Brezhnev. For those who shiver at the prospect of having to live under the shadow of Iranian nukes Mr. Bush's White House is the only place to look to.
AMEN!
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I love this line:
That is what the presidential election of 2004 is about: facing the real world.
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RANTBURG UNIVERSITY quick notes:
From the posted article: âThroughout the Cold War, many Germans were used to having it easy and both ways: staging demonstrations against "U.S. imperialism" while at the same time enjoying the protection of the Pax Americana. Wealth and security were guaranteed, and the United States footed most of the security bill. What a wonderful world. Now the future does not look so wonderful any longer: global terrorism, nuclear weapons, Islamist extremism and failing states just across the Mediterranean Sea. Deep in their hearts most Germans feel that they are out of their depth and that their country cannot cope. Small wonder they would rather close their eyes and simply make the 21st century go away. Hardly surprising that many of them are angry about a man who refuses to trade in illusions and forces them to face the real world like President Bush . . . â
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From Mrs. Davis link: âGermanyâs troubles start with demographics. Germans are struggling to replenish their numbers and losing ground. If the childless trend continues, the population will reach a point where no number of children will be enough to sustain ethnic Germans as a group. Baring an upswing in the birth rate Germany is faced with two choices, neither of them acceptable. It must either encourage emigration and change the definition of German-ness, or face extinction. Germany is also wrestling with waning economic influence, a declining military, and a collapsing welfare state . . .â
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Heh, I found this to be rather illuminating:
Though Missouri took action after the 2002 election to shore up its voting system by requiring that voters produce ID at the polls--a move many Democrats call "racist"--the nation as a whole has done nothing, apparently content to let this year's election spiral into chaos.
It's "racist" to be forced to positively identify yourself? Uhhhhhh, oooookay....
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
Kuwaiti Islamist deputies plan to question Information Minister 
A military judge jailed a US Army sergeant, described in court as a typical all-American boy, for eight years yesterday for sexually and physically abusing Iraqi prisoners. The sentence for Staff Sgt. Ivan "Chip" Frederick, 38, is by far the toughest of those handed down to three soldiers now convicted over abuses at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib Prison. Frederick, who sat impassively through the two-day court-martial at a US base in Baghdad, appeared shaken and looked at the floor after Judge Col. James Pohl announced his verdict, which included a dishonorable discharge and a demotion.
The Jordanian authorities yesterday sent to trial before the State Security Court 20 Egyptians and Bengalis whom Amman said were arrested earlier this month while trying to infiltrate into Syrian territory from Jordan, according to the official Petra news agency. Petra did not give further details as to the indictment list, and it was not clear so far whether the defendants intended to infiltrate into Syria for work or for proceeding to Iraq later to join the resistance raging there against US-led multinational forces. The United States has repeatedly accused Syria of facilitating the infiltration of Muslim and Arab militants to Iraq for joining the Jordanian fugitive 
The 19-year-old, named as 
VIENNA: Iran is behind "terrorism" in the West Bank, visiting Israeli President Moshe Katzav charged Thursday. "Iran is very active in the area of terrorism" and "between 60 and 70 percent of West Bank terrorism is carried out by the Hezbollah (Lebanese Shiite movement) which is financed by Iran," he told the Austrian news agency APA. "Iran is not just a totalitarian state, it also backs terror in the Middle East as well as international terrorism," he added. Katzav, who is on the first-ever visit by an Israeli head of state to Austria, also stressed that Iran's nuclear program was a threat "to Israel and Europe". "Why does Iran need rockets with a range of 3,000 kilometers (1860 miles)? Why does Iran invest in the development of weapons of mass destruction," he rhetorically asked.
NAWABSHAH: Hundreds of angry people from the Rind tribe staged a sit-in and burnt tyres on the national highway to protest the killing of one of their tribesmen by the Syed tribe. The road was blocked and traffic was suspended for hours. According to the Rind tribe, their man was murdered by the Syeds over illegal occupation of government forestland in Sukhpur. The dispute between the two tribes has been a prolonged one and armed men from both the tribes had established pickets around the claimed land. Earlier, a group of Syeds demonstrated in front of the Nawabshah Press Club where they alleged that the Rinds had occupied forestland. The Rind displayed the body of their slain man on the national highway, burnt tyres and blocked the road. Demonstrators shouted slogans and demanded the immediate arrest of the killers. Police negotiated with the protesters and restored traffic. 
