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2009-01-06 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Kids and some Hamas gunmen die at UN school in Gaza city

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Posted by mhw 2009-01-06 14:46|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Madness!

One must wonder that eventually Hamas go a step farther and slaughter the children themselves.

Posted by Lagom 2009-01-06 14:58|| 2009-01-06 14:58|| Front Page Top

#2 They do already, Lagom. >:-(

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-01-06 15:19|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2009-01-06 15:19|| Front Page Top

#3 Considering the whole building was thoroughly booby trapped, I feel grateful the IDF didn't have to go in and take it. Hamas did the clearing job for them.

Posted by DarthVader 2009-01-06 15:27|| 2009-01-06 15:27|| Front Page Top

#4 Agreed with Barbara - when they line up behind children Space Invaders deep, they are knowingly putting them in danger and actually counting on it. Premeditated enough for me.

Bet that for every armed dude behind civvie shields there are 2 dudes, seperate, taping them from a distance.

Posted by swksvolFF 2009-01-06 15:30|| 2009-01-06 15:30|| Front Page Top

#5 Two off-topic questions:
1) I see photos of IDF soldiers with some kind of big floppy helmet cover. What is that?
2) I also see photos of IDF infantrymen carrying some kind of really short assault carbine. What is it?

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2009-01-06 15:42|| 2009-01-06 15:42|| Front Page Top

#6 Let's all applaud the brave lions of Islam; hiding behind children in a school. What courage, what bravery, what a bunch of cowardly a$$holes.

Posted by WolfDog 2009-01-06 16:23|| 2009-01-06 16:23|| Front Page Top

#7 Isn't hiding using a school a war crime?

Anyone know the specifics?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-01-06 17:12|| 2009-01-06 17:12|| Front Page Top

#8 My best guess is that the short assault rifle you see is most likely the T.A.R. 21.
The shower cap or mitznefet covering the helmet flops about taking on an irregular form that is harder to recognize in a shadow or out of the corner of your eye.

Posted by TZsenator 2009-01-06 17:30|| 2009-01-06 17:30|| Front Page Top

#9 Bright Pebbles, it is indeed a war crime:

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.
Part IV : Civilian population #Section I -- General protection against effects of hostilities #Chapter II -- Civilians and civilian population

Article 51:

7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2009-01-06 17:39|| 2009-01-06 17:39|| Front Page Top

#10 Isn't hiding using a school a war crime?

Deliberately endangering civilians by hiding amongst them is a war crime, Bright Pebbles. The use of a civilian building by combatants renders it a combatant position, instantly removing its Geneva Rights protections. I'm sure there are plenty Rantburgers who can quote the appropriate chapter and verse.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2009-01-06 17:41|| 2009-01-06 17:41|| Front Page Top

#11 Whoops! Atomic Conspiracy beat me to it, with his greater knowledge. Well done, sir.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2009-01-06 17:42|| 2009-01-06 17:42|| Front Page Top

#12 More from the AP...

The Israeli army said its soldiers came under fire from militants hiding in the school and responded. It accused Gaza's Hamas rulers of "cynically" using civilians as human shields. Residents confirmed the account, saying militants were seen staging attacks from the area.

In a statement, the Israeli army said an initial investigation found that "mortar shells were fired from within the school at IDF soldiers. The force responded with mortars at the source of fire. The Hamas cynically uses civilians as human shields."

The army said two Hamas militants Imad Abu Askar and Hasan Abu Askar were among the dead.

Two neighborhood residents confirmed the Israeli account, saying a group of militants fired mortars from a street near the school, then fled into a crowd of people in the streets. Israel then opened fire.

The residents, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared for their safety, said the Abu Askar brothers were known low-level Hamas militants.

Posted by tu3031 2009-01-06 17:49|| 2009-01-06 17:49|| Front Page Top

#13 "Abu Askar brothers were known low-level Hamas militants"

They got the "low-level" part right.... >:-(

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-01-06 18:07|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2009-01-06 18:07|| Front Page Top

#14 Ta, I know I can always rely on you guys!

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-01-06 18:09|| 2009-01-06 18:09|| Front Page Top

#15 What is a bit shocking is that the AP got the Israeli story. It doesn't say who interviewed residents.

Posted by mhw 2009-01-06 19:08|| 2009-01-06 19:08|| Front Page Top

#16 Ta for the info, I'm ruining a hamas loving leftist scums evening.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-01-06 19:39|| 2009-01-06 19:39|| Front Page Top

#17 Wait... what? Is the AP actually reporting the facts even when they favor Israel?

Is today Backwards Day?

Posted by eltoroverde 2009-01-06 20:22|| 2009-01-06 20:22|| Front Page Top

#18 well you gotta expect the AP to mess up at least once out of 9 days

Posted by rabid whitetail 2009-01-06 21:09|| 2009-01-06 21:09|| Front Page Top

#19 I remembered where I read about a UN school recently - Jawa report.

Here is a video of some Hamas operates firing motars from outside a U.N. School.

From Another Jawa Reminder at Jawa Report.

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-01-06 21:29|| 2009-01-06 21:29|| Front Page Top

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