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Syria Arrests 70 Arabs Attempting to Infiltrate Iraq
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-Short Attention Span Theater-
ACLU objects to village’s logo
Nice to know there is nothing more serious to worry about:

The New Mexico chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union is objecting to the new logo for the Village of Tijeras. Some village residents are objecting to the ACLU.

At issue is the village seal, an image containing depictions of a conquistador’s helmet, a sword and a Catholic rosary. It’s the last item that has the ACLU concerned.

“Religious minorities cannot be made to feel like outsiders simply because the government endorses in an unenlightened way the majority faith,” says Peter Simonson, the executive director of the New Mexico ACLU.

Nah, that's not a rosary, it's a set of Islamic "worry beads," traditionally carried by Middle Eastern men (and for good reason if history is an accurate guide). The thing on the end is another traditional Islamic item, a dagger.
Yeah; that's the ticket, worry beads.
The village is simply declaring its solidarity with the understandably anxious Michael Moore Minutemen in Iraq.
See, Mr. Simonson, it's ok, they're Islamic.
You can go home now.

“It’s part of the culture that has been the Village of Tijeras for centuries,” argues Mayor Gloria Chavez, who later said, “the response I got from people is fight it, don’t sit back.”

“I don’t see why this needs to be an issue or an episode,” said Tijeras resident Norm Scott. “This has nothing to do with the first amendment or my civil liberties. This has something to do with people having nothing better to do.”

Simonson has said the ACLU would rather settle this disagreement without taking any legal action. But on Thursday, Simonson said that village officials are not listening to reason and he may have to resort to the courts.

If the case winds up before a judge, the legal precedent will be on the ACLU’s side: In 1985 the ACLU successfully sued Bernalillo County to have a Spanish cross removed from the county’s seal. That cross has been replaced with a Zia.

Both "Peter" and "Simon" are New Testament names specific to Christianity. Mr. Simonson should therefore either change his name to "Moonbeam von Multicult" or something similar, or shut up. We surely can't have him polluting the public airwaves with the religious propaganda inherent in his own name.

Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/02/2005 18:27 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [326 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Time to get rid of some more pests.
Posted by: mmurray821 || 09/02/2005 19:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Peter: read your history, fuckwit, before demonstrating your ignorance AND stupidity in full throat
Posted by: Frank G || 09/02/2005 19:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Conquistador your stallion stands
in need of company
and like some angel's haloed brow
you reek of purity
I see your armour-plated breast
has long since lost its sheen
and in your death mask face
there are no signs which can be seen

Posted by: Procol Harum || 09/02/2005 19:51 Comments || Top||

#4  you salty dog, you
Posted by: Frank G || 09/02/2005 19:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Sue and be damned.
Posted by: mojo || 09/02/2005 20:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Bankrupt the ACLU make them sue everytime they bring these claims they will be out of lawyers and money in a month. Instead citys, counties, states "settle" out of court. A scam practiced by what I suspect are fellow travelers in business suits.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 09/02/2005 20:47 Comments || Top||

#7  what joke - good lawyers find good jobs. the, well the sewage tends to float towards the ACLU. Besides, I thought that's art. Something tells me that if it were dipped in urine, it would be madatory that it be hung in every government office.
Posted by: macofromoc || 09/02/2005 20:50 Comments || Top||

#8  For any ex-military out there: In Albuquerque, there is a history museum with a significant exhibit of Conquistador and Spanish Army equipment. There is a display of long, ornate blade-like stirrup decorations, which were all the rage, until the Spanish Army IG decided they were a safety hazard. In the museum they have a copy of his memo, in the all-too-familiar military format and jargon, prohibiting the use of such stirrup decor until further notice.

The more things change...
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/02/2005 21:42 Comments || Top||

The Horror. The Horror
I know we're not supposed to post from other blogs, but...
Protein Wisdom: How you can tell for certain that Hurricane Katrina coverage has gotten completely out of control, 9
Dressed now in the faded, bloodcaked fatigues he took off a National Guardsman he’d found beaten to death in the Treme St corridor, FOXNews’ Shepard Smith stands motionless before the listing skeletal remains of what was once a Best Western on Rampart St, his head shaved clean, jaw stiff, chin ticked slightly upward and pointing toward the on-camera spot his crew is using to augment the firelight from fifteen or so torches held by a gang of lumbering, topless refugees the sunburned anchor rounded up earlier from the wreckage of the Iberville projects.

On either side of him, a series of staggered, 8 foot-to-10 foot pikes fashioned from driftwood and stretches of gothic metal gatework salvaged from the standing water, hold the wide-eyed heads of a CNN camera crew and a couple of photogs from the Associated Press—“errand boys,” Smith tells the camera’s blinking red eye, “sent to by grocery clerks to collect my Pulitzer.”

Now that's just wrong...heh
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 12:44 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [326 views] Top|| File under:

Anti-impotency drugs in high demand among Qatari youth
Young Qatari nationals swallow the lion's share in the anti-impotency drugs market, a business that has shot up by 30 per cent over the past two years, local pharmacists said. "There is a tremendous increase in the use of drugs for the treatment of erectile dysfunction, especially among young Qatari nationals," a pharmacist at Al Salam Pharmacy in Doha told Gulf News. "We have witnessed a constant increase in the sales of these kinds of drugs for the past three years, ranging between 20 and 30 per cent."
That's simply weird. Young fellows having trouble getting it up? When I was a young fellow, I had a hard time getting it down. But then, I didn't spend my youth among women wearing sacks, either. And I usually managed to keep a safe distance between myself and the local holy men.
According to pharmacists across the country, Qataris represent the majority of consumers, followed by other Arab nationals and Westerners. Several young consumers approach pharmacists seeking their help, even though most of the time they do not possess a valid medical prescription. "There has been a dramatic fall in the age profile of the consumers. We frequently see youngsters aged between 20-25 years asking for the pills," he said. Precarious health conditions among a population suffering from obesity and cardiovascular diseases, and the lack of self-confidence or the desire to have more intercourse in a short period of time are the main causes of the pills' growing popularity among the youth, medical experts said.
Back in my day, by Gar, we made do with a cigarette, maybe a beer, and a bit of conversation to while away the time between exchanges of bodily fluids.
"There is a lack of selfconfidence among the younger generation. We also sell to adults and the elderly, but as much as to the youth," said a pharmacist at Al Sadd Pharmacy.
Posted by: Fred || 09/02/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [300 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Precarious health conditions among a population suffering from obesity and cardiovascular diseases

Posted by: trailing wife || 09/02/2005 2:23 Comments || Top||

#2  lol But then, I didn't spend my youth among women wearing sacks, either.

And I usually managed to keep a safe distance between myself and the local holy men.
my dad kept a fair amount of suitors away when I was younger, he was a pretty big guy that knew how to be intimidating, but was really a sweetie
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 2:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Obesity impedes blood flow throughout the body.
Posted by: phil_b || 09/02/2005 3:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Yes. But my sister is sooooooooo hot!
Posted by: Young Qatari National || 09/02/2005 9:26 Comments || Top||

#5  Young people are taking these drugs so they can have sex longer, not because they're impotent. It's the same here in the U.S. with Viagara.
Posted by: shellback || 09/02/2005 13:38 Comments || Top||

Don't Belittle Taiwan's Effort
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Time and again, in meeting after meeting, one hears the following refrain from American policy experts when talking about Taiwan: "If they aren't serious about defending themselves, why should we risk our blood and treasure to help them fend off a Chinese attack?" The proximate cause for this and similar remarks is that Taiwan has not yet purchased a major package of military systems offered in 2001 by the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush. That package includes eight diesel submarines, 12 P-3 submarine-hunting planes, and several batteries of PAC-3 anti-missile missiles. The delay is all too often used to convey the impression that Taiwan is free riding, counting on U.S. carriers and jets (and of course American sailors and airmen) to deter China rather than relying on its own efforts.

The truth about Taiwan's defense effort, when examined more closely, is very different. From 1996 to 2003, for instance, Taiwan was the second largest recipient of arms purchased from the U.S. Nor did the spending stop when Chen Shui-bian became president in 2001. Among the major purchases his government has made since then are the American-built Kidd class destroyers, an advanced early-warning radar, upgraded Hawk anti-air missile systems, and the Joint Tactical Information Distribution system, a system designed to upgrade Taiwan's command, control and communication capabilities between military services and platforms.

Nor has his government ignored the software side of military modernization. It has spent tens of millions to send hundreds of Taiwanese officers to the U.S. for training and exchanges with the Pentagon and defense experts to update its military planning and strategy. At the same time, the Chen administration successfully implemented a legislative package of defense reforms designed to ensure civilian control of the military, establish a joint staff, and create a civilian strategic-planning department that would rationalize defense decision making and make it less service parochial.

When it comes to the Bush administration's big-ticket arms offers, the story is more complicated. While there is plenty of blame to go around, the least guilty party in finalizing the purchase has been the Chen administration. Although the Bush team should be lauded for approving the sale of systems that had been denied by the Clinton administration, it was always unrealistic to think Taiwan could absorb $30 billion worth of new weapon systems in a short period when its procurement and acquisition budget has historically averaged $400-500 million a year.

Further complicating matters was the fact that the biggest of the big-ticket items -- the eight submarines -- was an unknown quantity. The U.S. no longer produces diesel-powered submarines and potential European partners were too intimidated by China to partner openly with U.S. contractors to fill the order. As a result, the Pentagon went through a time-consuming process of developing a price for a notional submarine that fits Taiwan's specifications. This resulted in Taiwan not getting any estimate of the cost of the submarines until early 2003. Similar problems plagued the purchase of the P-3s, causing further delays. With no high-level champion in the U.S. government to oversee the implementation of the sale, there was little bureaucratic urgency to move the programs along.

But, since the end of 2003, the main cause of the delay has come from within Taiwan. The Chen administration inherited a defense and military establishment whose elite had come up through a system in which Kuomintang party indoctrination was the norm and who, for its own political reasons, favored ground forces. A good number of senior officers were not only openly hostile to President's Chen's political party, the Democratic Progressive Party, but also lukewarm about a new defense strategy that would emphasize air and sea power. One consequence was that, for a short period, key figures in Taiwan's defense establishment slowed the procurement process -- a problem President Chen fixed when he changed defense chiefs the day after he was sworn in for his second term in May 2004.

By far the biggest problem has been the effort by the coalition of opposition parties -- led by the KMT -- to block legislative consideration of the special budget put forward by the government to purchase the systems being offered by Washington. On more than two dozen occasions, the pan-Blue coalition has prevented the measure from even being taken up by the relevant defense committee of Legislative Yuan.

Say what you want about the Chen's administration's handling of any number of issues, but the blame for not acting on the weapons package lies squarely with the opposition. Although it is true that defense spending as a percentage of Taiwan's GDP has declined over the past decade, the largest decline took place in the years when the KMT was still in charge. In any case, Taiwan's defense burden as a percentage of GDP -- at 2.4% -- is still greater than virtually all other American allies, and may increase with the recent call by President Chen for the government to spend at least of 3% of the country's GDP on its defenses by 2008.

Taiwan could certainly do more. But the idea that the Chen administration is not serious about defending Taiwan is largely a tale told by sinologists and American government officials who would like an excuse for the problem of Taiwan to just go away.

But the problem is not going away precisely because Beijing continues to increase its military capability to coerce democratic Taiwan into unification with the mainland. Rather than constantly belittling Taiwan's effort to defend itself, it would be better to focus on the real issue, which is how to work more closely with Taiwan to address the unprecedented military build-up taking place across the Strait.

Mr. Blumenthal is resident fellow in Asian studies at the American Enterprise Institute and former senior director for China, Taiwan, Hong, and Mongolia in the office of the U.S. secretary of defense. Mr. Schmitt is executive director of the Project for the New American Century.

Posted by: Captain America || 09/02/2005 00:42 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [305 views] Top|| File under:

#1  sorry, please relocate
Posted by: Captain America || 09/02/2005 0:46 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the world will be shocked by Taiwan's responce to an invasion by China. I have seen some of the things being shipped over there and would not be surprised if the really cool stuff is kept in the dark. Anti-missile systems, anti-aircraft systems, anti-ship missiles launched from both air and land, etc. China might succeed just based off pure manpower thrown at the island, but it would be a bloodbath for them. China might have been able to absorb losses like that back in the 1950s and 60s, but in the modern age with a modern and liberal (see spoiled) popluation in cities, it might be too much for the current population to take. Interesting times ahead....
Posted by: mmurray821 || 09/02/2005 10:04 Comments || Top||

#3  #2 I think the world will be shocked by Taiwan's responce to an invasion by China. I have seen some of the things being shipped over there and would not be surprised if the really cool stuff is kept in the dark.

True, although it would also require the will to employ these means.Hopefully, the right people will be in charge in Taiwan when the PRC makes its move.
Posted by: dushan || 09/02/2005 10:23 Comments || Top||

#4  mmurray, I assume you mean the PRC? (re: modern, liberal, spoiled -- sounds like South Korea, hopefully not like Taiwan)

Based on the article, didn't Mr. Blumenthal neglect to mention that the opposition is kinda pro-PRC?
Posted by: Flock Gromp2363 || 09/02/2005 10:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Yea, I meant the PRC. I have seen a few articles on how the new youth of the PRC are more and more self centered, materialistic and likely to throw a fit if they don't get what they want. Kinda like liberals. One author seemed to think this was from the "One child" policy and the spoiling of the one child by the parents. I think it is affulance. Success seems to breed lazyness and selfishness in some people.
Posted by: mmurray821 || 09/02/2005 12:31 Comments || Top||

Down Under
Churches upset by 'Star Wars' art
AN ARTWORK that shows Star Wars characters nailed to crosses has sparked controversy before its public debut. The controversial piece called 'Crusci-fiction' consists of a roomful of 25 replicas of robot C3P0 hanging on crosses.

Church leaders and Christian groups have condemned the exhibit as ridiculing and trivialising their beliefs. They said it was only a matter of time before Christians started to use Victoria's religious vilification laws to defend their faith.
Any suicide bombings? Assassinations? Mobs of people rolling their eyes and making faces?

Catholic Vicar-General for Melbourne Monsignor Les Tomlinson, said the crucifixion was very sacred to all Christians because it depicted Jesus "in the very act of winning salvation for mankind". "To trivialise it is offensive," he said. "It's disappointing that Christian symbols seem to be able to be ridiculed, but those of other religions or groups are not."

He said people offended should peacefully contact the gallery to express their views.
Australian Christian Lobby head Jim Wallace said Christians were becoming impatient with their views being mocked in art and advertising. "If we don't have a reasonable response Christians are going to start to use these laws. There's a real groundswell there," he said.

But artist Jud Wimhurst, whose exhibition False Idols contains the contentious piece, defended his work. "We weren't doing it to offend anyone," he said.
"We were just doing it to get attention. I'm really a lousy artist, and this was the only way I could think of to get people to notice my crappy work," he added.
"We're talking about products and the fact that everything's for sale.

"Both technology and religion are for sale today."

The False Idols exhibition, which opens at Fitzroy's Intrude Gallery in a fortnight, is described as an exploration of pop culture, religion, science fiction, music and film.

Not all church representatives were upset by the display. Anglican spokesman David Richardson, who is Dean of St Paul's Cathedral, was unfazed by the artwork.
I'm not surprised, though if the young 'artist' had included an anti-Druid image, the goof Dean might have been upset.
"On first glance, as an image of crucifixion, 'Crusci-fiction' seems fairly inoffensive," he said. "It makes an interesting contrast to Mel Gibson's take on the Jesus event.

"Christians don't have a monopoly on crucifixion so I don't see this as especially blasphemous."
Posted by: Oztralian [AKA] God Save The World || 09/02/2005 02:31 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [288 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Australian electoral system allows 'fringe' or minority views to get senate representation. In the last election the Christian Coalition was the big winner and the Greens and another Leftist party were the big losers. I'm an atheist but also interested in political trends. What we are seeing is a groundswell against the Left's tranzi etc. agenda in part due to the breakdown of the MSM's information filter.
Posted by: phil_b || 09/02/2005 7:53 Comments || Top||

#2  phil_b: I don't think your link is working.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/02/2005 14:19 Comments || Top||

#3  I always thought Princess Layme would be better for quality S&M.
Posted by: Mona Gorilla || 09/02/2005 15:56 Comments || Top||

#4  But artist Jud Wimhurst, whose exhibition False Idols contains the contentious piece

OK, now I suggest he organizes an exhibition about Muhammad. Anyone noticed that the provocative "artists" never touch this subject?

Posted by: JFM || 09/02/2005 15:59 Comments || Top||

'Noise at work' rules threaten to knock out British Army's tanks
Still hope for Zell Miller's spit balls

Defence chiefs are fighting to prevent the Army's tanks being stopped in their tracks by the introduction of a European directive on vibration and noise at work.

The Control of Vibration at Work Regulations and the Control of Noise at Work Regulations have left officers scrambling to discover if the military's armoured vehicles break the rules.

But with a slim chance of reducing vibrations in a Challenger 2 tank and the Warrior armoured vehicles, the Ministry of Defence will be seeking an exemption from the rules by invoking an "opt-out" clause. Soldiers who travel in the back of tanks and are subjected to substantial jolts and constant noise will have to suffer the discomforts until at least 2010 when the regulations become law.

"Because it's damaging to the human body we are out to ensure soldiers are looked after like civilians," an MoD official said. "Where necessary and practical we will modify equipment and we do have the opt out which we will use if necessary."

Defence contractors have been given funds to find ways of improving conditions for soldiers in tanks, including the introduction of better seats and rubber band tracks.

A risk assessment study is also expected to be carried out on all the Army's armoured fighting vehicles to establish if they comply with the regulations.

The new rules, introduced under the European Physical Agents Directive, are aimed at cutting the estimated two million injuries of "hand-arm vibration" or "whole body vibration". The rules will also limit the use of machinery such as pneumatic drills, chainsaws and farm equipment.

A spokesman for the Health and Safety Executive, which is implementing the legislation, said "national security" considerations could mean certain employers were exempt.

"If you are in a combat situation then clearly it will be difficult to bring in these regulations," he added.

Posted by: Captain America || 09/02/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [282 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I guess we have to stop all war as it is dangerous to humans. We can't have our soldiers sent into dangerous situations, now can we. These types of people have already surrendered to the dark forces of the world.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 09/02/2005 7:33 Comments || Top||

#2  What exacvtly is mean by "hand-arm vibration" or "whole body vibration"? These don't sound like activities soldiers engage in while in tanks.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/02/2005 9:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Possible solution? Female tank crews.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2005 9:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Possible solution - exit the EU.
Posted by: Thinenter Phineque8219 || 09/02/2005 9:37 Comments || Top||

#5  The EU is also looking at symphony orchestras as being in violation of noise/work regulations...
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/02/2005 9:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Just when I thought there was no other way that the EU could commit cultural suicide....
Posted by: mmurray821 || 09/02/2005 10:36 Comments || Top||

#7  Does that apply to other countries? Does that mean he-who-shall-not-be-named will have to walk everywhere?
Posted by: Jackal || 09/02/2005 22:18 Comments || Top||

Adieu, Gauloise
Not a smoker myself, but I think one or two Rantburgers might get a little misty...
LILLE, France, Aug 31 (AFP) - France bid farewell to one of its national symbols Wednesday as the last packet of Gauloises cigarettes left a factory in the northern city of Lille, bringing to an end nearly a century of smoking history. For decades the staple of French artists and intellectuals -- not to mention millions of soldiers in two world wars -- the legendary brand has fallen foul of changing tastes, and the Franco-Spanish company Altadis is to concentrate production in Alicante, Spain. The closure of the Lille site, which comes at the cost of more than 400 jobs, also brings to an end domestic production of the sister-brand Gitanes and means that France no longer makes the heavy-duty "dark" cigarettes favoured by generations of smokers. With their unmistakeable winged helmet trademark, Gauloises were launched in 1910 in a climate of patriotic fervour ahead of World War I. The brand had originally been called "Hongroises" -- Hungarians -- but the state tobacco company preferred a name that evoked France's original warlike inhabitants. Made from tobacco grown in France, Turkey and Syria, Gauloises acquired a filter tip in the 1950s but the true afficionados -- including celebrities such as Jean-Paul Sartre, Pablo Picasso and singer Serge Gainsbourg -- continued to prefer the raw version. First appearing in shops in 1927, Gitanes followed the success of their elder partner. Like the Gauloises helmet, their gypsy dancer design became an advertising classic which instantly conjured a nostalgic image of France.
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/02/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [461 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I smoked Gitanes as a student in Ireland. Brought back some memories.
Posted by: phil_b || 09/02/2005 2:18 Comments || Top||

#2  It is Gauloise not Galoise. Galloise means Welch woman.
Posted by: JFM || 09/02/2005 8:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Headline fixed. Merci, JFM.
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/02/2005 8:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Smoked both all through college and law school, but I prefered the unfiltered ones. Knew a guy who flew to Turkey every other week, and he hit the duty free for us both.

Thank god I quit that filthy habit.
Posted by: Mark E. || 09/02/2005 9:28 Comments || Top||

#5  "...the Franco-Spanish company Altadis is to concentrate production in Alicante, Spain."

So... smoking quit the French?
Posted by: Hyper || 09/02/2005 16:49 Comments || Top||

#6  I enjoyed smoking for 15 years, but am glad that I quit. Quit for my pregnancy, to polute myself was one thing but while pregnant another. Anyone remember those lettuce cigarettes, heh.
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 22:44 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Politix
Officials Hope to Evacuate Superdome by Tonight
Edited for new information, and to cut out all the whining.
Buses and aircraft have increased the number of rescue trips from the dome, which should be emptied by 8 p.m. tonight, Brig. Gen Mark Graham, who is overseeing disaster relief, told reporters in Baton Rouge. He said 10,000 Superdome refugees were evacuated to Texas on Thursday. This morning, military aircraft flew more refugees to Lackland Air Force base in Texas and there are plans to move other refugees to Arkansas, Alabama and Georgia in a 24-hour-a day air operation, he said.

A bus carrying refugees overturned near Opelousas, La., killing one and injuring 10.

Emptying the dome would go far toward reliving some of the pressure on the city, but there are still thousands of refugees at other centers, including the convention center. Troops plowed through water-clogged streets in New Orleans bringing food and water to there.

Texas has agreed to accept up to 75,000 evacuees, with a third in the Houston Astrodome. But officials at the Astrodome stopped accepting evacuees after about 15,000 people jammed the facility. There are so many people there that the post office gave the Astrodome its own ZIP Code, 77320, so that the refugees can receive packages from relatives.

Another 3,000 people from New Orleans are being housed at a nearby basketball arena and 11,000 cots have been set up in the convention center. In effect, the Astrodome will become an intake center where people are evaluated. Then they will be sent to other shelters in the city and around the state. The goal is to put people "in places where they can go on with their lives with dignity and respect. It is not acceptable to have a permanent refugee situation," said Mayor Bill White.

Two dozen doctors are examining the evacuees at the Astrodome. Some 75 people were classified as critical and sent to hospitals. Most of the people are suffering from dehydration and water-borne diseases from walking through the unhealthy conditions in New Orleans' flooded streets. There have been two deaths, one a cancer patient and the other an elderly woman who had chest pains.

Behind the convention center a New Orleans policeman, who would not give his name, asked: "When are they going to save us? We are stranded too."

Fires are becoming an increasing hazard. There was another large explosion in the city this morning, at a chemical storage facility in an industrial sector along the Mississippi River.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/02/2005 19:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [308 views] Top|| File under:

Home Front: WoT
Democratic Underground's Response To Pleas For Help.....
Over at Little Green Footballs, the Lizardoid Minions are organizing a relief effort for NO. They have sent pleas out all over the Blogosphere, and this was one of the answers given by the fine, caring citizens at DU. It's long, but I respectfully ask indulgence - it deserves to be posted in full.


Where is the Fresh WATER YOU BASTARD? You are NOT HUMAN.

Bush you son of a bitch, you black hating, gay bashing, poor-killing/torturing, gas gouging, dickless capitalist bastard!

HOW DARE YOU KILL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS?!! How DARE you turn Human Beings into ANIMALS?!! How DARE you even show your face on Television - get the FUCK OFF the Airwaves and let REAL MEN do their JOBS, REAL HEROES who understand the meaning of HUMANITY.

How DARE you make excuses and half heartedly stand in a ROSE GARDEN making "manly, macho" tough guy faces spewing platitudes and cliches, while REAL Humans, BABIES, OLD, SICK PEOPLE DIE like FLIES without even delivering WATER to them?

Quit pretending like you are a MAN and even remotely competent, Quit SPINNING and LYING and taking NO Responsibility for YOUR Actions and NON ACTIONS.

You and your cohort Republican subHumans are the most retarded, evil cheap pieces of shit excuses for Homo Selectus that ever existed!
Rest of the reasoned response on the other page, if you care.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 09/02/2005 07:43 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [923 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thanks for weighing in Mayor Nagin...
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2005 8:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Has this fool had it shots?
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 09/02/2005 8:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Dan,I wish I could comment on that sight.
Posted by: raptor || 09/02/2005 8:36 Comments || Top||

#4  damn not dan
Posted by: raptor || 09/02/2005 8:39 Comments || Top||

#5  We hate you, we think you are a piece of shit, so now give us aid because you owe it to us.
Posted by: Chris W. || 09/02/2005 9:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Thanks for weighing in Mayor Nagin...

I heard that guy's comments on the tube this morning. Absolutely amazing. He criticizes the feds for what he sees as an inadequate response (hey, it's the government - what did you expect?) and yet his police department can't get their act together.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/02/2005 9:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Mayor Nagin and the governers are in deep shit. Emergancy responce plans and disaster relief are planned at the local and county (sometimes state) level. This is where FEMA and other federal agencies start off, basing their responce and help on the exsitising state and local plans. The feds do not plan evacuations (except on multiple state levels) and do not release aid until asked for by the state governers. Bush has done all he can and has done more than was required by declaring the area a disaster BEFORE the hurricane hit. Other than that, it isn't up to him to do anything since it is in FEMA's and the other state agency's hands. All the lack of planning and early lack of responce for help can be put SQUARELY on the mayor and governer.
Bush has kinda become a god to the LLL and the MSM. Anything that happens is his fault, kinda like Loki for the vikings. Never mind the fact he is one man working in a federal system with checks and balances. Blame Bush, it is fault somehow. The LLL and the MSM need some meds....

Or need to be shot like the rabid dogs they are.
Posted by: mmurray821 || 09/02/2005 9:59 Comments || Top||

#8  I don't agree with the DU posters, but I agree that the response has been lacking.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/02/2005 10:20 Comments || Top||

#9  CS: I don't agree with the DU posters, but I agree that the response has been lacking.

This is a state, not a Federal, problem. New Orleans got the politicians it deserved. If city officials cannot get off their butts and start killing looters by the dozens, nothing will get done.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/02/2005 11:13 Comments || Top||

#10  If I was a cynical bastard and didn't have (limited) experience with the NO and LA governments, I'd have said their emergency plans were: "let the federal government handle it".

Thank goodness I'm not a cynical bastard.
Posted by: Pappy || 09/02/2005 11:30 Comments || Top||

#11  Pappy, your "cynical bastard" bit is naive.

The real plan was "screw up the relief effort and have something to blame on the President."
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 09/02/2005 12:04 Comments || Top||

#12  I watched the Louisana governor's race, between Blanco and B. Jindall, I actually remember reading an article that stated "some were not endorsing Jindall because he was too educated." God forbid a highly educated person runs a state. You morons in La elected whom you wanted, now they led you into a coffin with a unmarked grave. You Demoncratic Gov, Sen, and Mayor have ALL let you down into the grave. Blaming Bush is not going to wash for long. Bush didn't appoint your politicians. Again, next time you morons need to take your elections a little bit more seriously.

Your Dem. black leaders have led you slowly into HELL. If your Dem. black leaders love you so much, why are they showing up on the 4th/5th day and in Houston, not the affected area. Get rid of the lice Dem. blk. ldr's in your hair and stop blaming the Bush Admin.

Stop blaming Bush for the killing, looting, 4th grade reading level, drug addiction, raping, etc. Buy a mirror with your welfare checks and look at yourself.

That being said, has I have stated before, FEMA and CDC is an utter joke.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 09/02/2005 12:25 Comments || Top||

#13  This clocks zero on my surprise meter. Liberals aren't actually generous people. Their generosity consists mostly of virtuous thoughts and getting other people to pay for their pet projects via government tax dollars.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/02/2005 12:34 Comments || Top||

#14  I will admit what I know about relief efforts could be written on the head of a pin, but I really think they (FEMA) could do a little better at re-supplying and relocating the people that are located at refugee centers. At the VERY least they could air lift in water and food to the people who need it. Also the Gov gave the “shoot to kill” order a couple of days late. If we could drop MREs in an Afghanistan village I am certain we could hit the Superdome in one or two tries. I also think that a LOT of the blame should fall on the local city government that basically sat on their butts and let things descend into chaos. I think this is turning into a big shit sandwich and I think everyone is going to take a bite.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/02/2005 12:50 Comments || Top||

#15  I am not yet convinced the relief effort is going all that poorly. From what I see, a boatload of people who live on low ground, in hurricanes way every year, decided to not evacuate for a number of reasons. The numbers now being kicked around are 200,000+ made a critically flawed decision to ride it out. These people are consuming 90% of all resources just trying to maintain law and order.
Every disaster preparedness model I have seen says be prepared for no services for a minimum of 72 hours. The services arriving today are right about on schedule in terms of earthquakes and other natural disasters.
Does anyone else think that a dirty bomb going off in a major city is going to make this disaster recovery look well executed?
Posted by: Capsu 78 || 09/02/2005 13:51 Comments || Top||

#16  A couple of points:

1) the MSM and the liberal blogs are working VERY hard to make this the "Bush Disaster."

2) putting FEMA into the DHS was a bad idea, and some of the political appointees to FEMA weren't very good. This is one part of the government that shouldn't be politicized heavily. Get the technocrats in charge. Fix the communications between states and the feds.

3) the disaster is a warning for our infrastructure everywhere. People are complaining that the Army Corps of Engineers were under-funded for NO, even though the levees that failed were ones that weren't expected to fail. The lesson does hold, however: every city has vulnerabilities (as we in Chicago learned a few years back with our flood), and every city needs to harden and fix its infrastructure. This is one point that the Bush people had better seize on and make their own. Hugh Hewitt suggests putting a enter for the Study of Mass Casualty Events at Tulane, when it's rebuilt.

We're going to need to spend some tax dollars on infrastruture hardening, and both parties had better be up to it.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2005 14:01 Comments || Top||

#17  Destroy the DU infidels!
Posted by: Captain America || 09/02/2005 14:39 Comments || Top||

#18  3) the disaster is a warning for our infrastructure everywhere. People are complaining that the Army Corps of Engineers were under-funded for NO, even though the levees that failed were ones that weren't expected to fail. The lesson does hold, however: every city has vulnerabilities (as we in Chicago learned a few years back with our flood), and every city needs to harden and fix its infrastructure. This is one point that the Bush people had better seize on and make their own. Hugh Hewitt suggests putting a enter for the Study of Mass Casualty Events at Tulane, when it's rebuilt.

Yah, Chicago. The city where the rivers flood down and the bridges fall up. And don't laugh, I'm serious.

The rivers flood down refers to when a pile driver drove a pile into the old freight tunnels under downtown and flooded a lot of basements in the Loop

The bridges fall up refers to when the State St (?) draw bridge was being redecked and the retraining pins failed and the counterweights swung down opening one side of the bridge. Threw a welding rig about a block down State. Can anyone say Trebuchet
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 09/02/2005 15:36 Comments || Top||

#19  Being an engineer, and an EPA employee (who knows people on the way to Miss. coast), let me say as others have said. This was NOT the failure of the Feds! FEMA typically deploys their folks/supplies as close as possible (within safe range) before/during the storm. Our southeast EPA office is in Atlanta. Guy I know got all the way to Jackson, MS by Wed., but got stuck because of the gas situation (he said Jackson gas stations were already 50% out of gas and the other 50% still didn't have power to pump gas). Something as small as gas (not to mention pretty much NO easy way in to N.O. from the east via roads) forced him to sit in Jackson for 2-3 days. I imagine N.O. is even worse. They probably now won't let anyone in, except N.G. troops/Health experts. Then, you add all the local thugs looting, raping and pillaging, causing N.O. cops to stop looking for survivors and have to deal with them, and I pretty much blame the locals (even the citizens themselves in some cases, for looting), and maybe even the State. Fed. employees (w/ maybe the exception of more local N.G. troops) have to travel 100's if not 1,000's of miles to get there. Heck, it would take me (from Atlanta) a good 8-9 hours on a good day to get to N.O. Throw water/bridges out in the way and you add maybe a day or two to get there. Except the military/N.G. and maybe FEMA, not many Fed. agencies actually have the vehicles to deal with just getting there/much less now having lack of gas on the way down there. Of course, I'm now finding out a lot of the "lack of gas" here in Atlanta was mental. Got another buddy who left last night and made it to Mobile, AL early this morning. He said there is gas down there, but the lines to get it are VERY long. Stations in ATL are now completely out of gas, but the supply line is now opening up, so a few days from now, we should be up and running. Rant over, but the Demo Underground idiots need to STFU for now! Again, knowing the corruption/idiocy of the local and State gov'ts in N.O./LA, I don't doubt this happened b/c of them.
Posted by: BA || 09/02/2005 16:27 Comments || Top||

#20  Cheaderhead wrote: Can anyone say Trebuchet?
I'm torn between treb-yoo-shay (French-like) and tree-bucket (Merkin-like).

I might be wrong on both counts.

hile REAL Humans, BABIES, OLD, SICK PEOPLE DIE like FLIES without even delivering WATER to them?
But enough about Terri Schiavo...
Posted by: eLarson || 09/02/2005 16:42 Comments || Top||

#21  I have been watching Geraldo losing his mind all evening. Unfortunately when one focus on individual situations, each case is heartbreaking. I hardly expect him to be interviewing folks who are just OK.

The problem with relief delivery is that it needs to be measured to the crisis. Delivering too few bottles of water to a crowd is asking for trouble. Therefore it takes time to ensure that the response is massive enough to meet the whole need.

Ultimately each one of us is responsible for a contigency plan for ourselves and loved ones.
Posted by: john || 09/02/2005 21:54 Comments || Top||

#22  " I will admit what I know about relief efforts could be written on the head of a pin, but I really think they (FEMA) could do a little better at re-supplying and relocating the people that are located at refugee centers."

You are right! You don't know anything. So, either shutup, or quit your job and apply with FEMA or the SBA and work 100 hours a week non-stop for the next 12 months. Then, THEN, you might actually know something and be entitled to comment.

That goes for the rest of you armcahair disaster response mavens.

Posted by: Homer || 09/02/2005 23:38 Comments || Top||

#23  Homer, baby, you're not helping yourself. son.

You have something of import, some insight with FACTS you can impart to educate? Fine & dandy - share them and be welcomed.

This is an open forum. To whack a man for being honest is low. Why don't you prove your worth before you go bombs away, eh?

Since you haven't proven anything, thus far, other than you're at least moderately bigoted (on another thread) and quick on the draw, let me say, with all sincerity, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: .com || 09/02/2005 23:48 Comments || Top||

Southeast Asia
Peat bog burning blamed for much of global warming
Burning peat bogs set alight by rainforest clearance in Indonesia are releasing up to a seventh of the world's total fossil fuel emissions in a single year, the geographers' conference heard yesterday. Tropical peatlands are one of the largest stores of carbon on the Earth's surface and setting them alight is contributing massively to global warming, said Dr Susan Page, senior lecturer in geography at Leicester University.
Blame Bush in 10, 9, 8...
Posted by: Omumble Shavith6351 || 09/02/2005 21:25 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [337 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Its not just peat also coal seams burning.
Posted by: phil_b || 09/02/2005 22:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Putting out these fires would reduce CO2 emissions by far more than Kyoto and cost vastly less, but they don't fit the tranzi agenda and hence get ignored.
Posted by: phil_b || 09/02/2005 22:30 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Tech
8 mile emergency vehicle convoy arrives @Superdome - planned since Tues.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/02/2005 19:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [296 views] Top|| File under:

Home Front: Culture Wars
FoxNews (TV) Reports: 150 firefighters and families
Fox Reports: 150 firefighters and families held hostage by snipers in St. Bernard parish.
Posted by: 3dc || 09/02/2005 18:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [290 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is there a link 3D?
Posted by: GK || 09/02/2005 18:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Nah... just the live FoxNews feed this afternoon.
Posted by: 3dc || 09/02/2005 21:38 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Economy
Teenager does what the Mayor of NO and his staff did not
HOUSTON -- Thousands of refugees of Hurricane Katrina were transported to the Astrodome in Houston this week. In an extreme act of common sense that made elected Democrats look bad looting, one group actually stole a bus to escape ravaged areas in Louisiana.

About 100 people packed into the stolen bus. They were the first to enter the Houston Astrodome, but they weren't exactly welcomed. The big yellow school bus wasn't expected or approved to pass through the stadium's gates. Randy Nathan, who was on the bus, said they were desperate to get out of town.

Eighteen-year-old Jabbor Gibson jumped aboard the bus as it sat abandoned on a street in New Orleans and took control. The 18-year-old who ensured their safety could find himself in a world of trouble for stealing the school bus.
Arrest him? Hell, Bush ought to pin a medal on him! This "kid" showed he smarter than his mayor and the disaster planning staff of his city and state.
"I just took the bus and drove all the way here...seven hours straight,' Gibson admitted. "I hadn't ever drove a bus." The teen packed it full of complete strangers and drove to Houston. He beat thousands of evacuees slated to arrive there. "If it werent for him right there," he said, "we'd still be in New Orleans underwater. He got the bus for us."

"It's better than being in New Orleans," said fellow passenger Albert McClaud, "we want to be somewhere where we're safe."

"I dont care if I get blamed for it ," Gibson said, "as long as I saved my people."
Inventiveness (Find the bus, and figure out what you can do)
Initiative (Don't wait for the Govt, just get the job done)
Selflessness (did you note that those were strangers he picked up!),
Determination (drove 7 hours solid with no experience and in hurricane weather)
Bravery (taking 100 people's lives in your hands in hurricane weather with no training is not for the timid of heart - and he's standing up and daring them to convict him!)
This kid is a classic American hero.

During a long and impatient delay, children popped their heads out of bus windows and mothers clutched their babies. One 8-day-old infant spent the first days of his life surrounded by chaos. He's one of the many who are homeless and hungry.

Authorities eventually allowed the renegade passengers inside the dome.
Compare and contrast to almost 500 buses left underwater in the middle of New orleans, who in 2 tround trips could have evacuated nearly 50,000 people in 24 hours to surrounding cities and safety - and could have been used to ferry in supplies, police and EMS through water up to 3+ feet deep on the way back. THis one is going to come back and bite that idiot "Blame everyone but myself" Mayor Naggy square in the ass (if the MSM picks up on it - and the photos are there!)
This young man deserves more than a medal. Way to go!
Posted by: Oldspook || 09/02/2005 17:14 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [813 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Further info at this link (some copied below)



Gibson drove the bus from the flooded Crescent City, picking up stranded people, some of them infants, along the way. Some of those on board had been in the Superdome, among those who were supposed to be evacuated to Houston on more than 400 buses Wednesday and today. They couldn't wait.

The group of mostly teenagers and young adults pooled what little money they had to buy diapers for the babies and fuel for the bus.

Many of those around him alternated between excited, cranky and nervous, clutching suitcases or plastic garbage bags of clothes.

They looked as bedraggled as their grueling ride would suggest: 13 hours on the commandeered bus driven by a 20-year-old man. Watching bodies float by as they tried to escape the drowning city. Picking up people along the way. Three stops for fuel. Chugging into Reliant Park, only to be told initially that they could not spend the night.

Every bit worth it.

"We took the bus and got out of the city. We were trying to get out of the city," James Hickerson said.

Several passengers on the bus said they took the matter into their own hands earlier Wednesday because they felt rescuers and New Orleans authorities were too slow in offering help.


Someone hire this young man. Get him into a program for future leaders. He deserves it.

Imagine yourself in his spot.

Driving past bloated corpses, through flooded streets filled with sewage and debris, past looters and gunmen (other reports have them going through water as deeps as 4-5 feet in places) but still maintaining his cool, his destination, but not losing his compassion.

Hey MSM! Here's your HERO story for the flood recovery!
Posted by: Oldspook || 09/02/2005 17:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Big thing in my book (forgot to add it):

He refused to be a victim.

He didnt give in to the culture that pushes him (by his color and economic status) to be a passive victim whose only outlet is rage and only hope is waiting on the goivernment to do things for him.

He took action and should be publicly noticed and commended.
Posted by: Oldspook || 09/02/2005 17:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Gung Ho!

It's there. Work together and no job is to large.
Posted by: Mona Gorilla || 09/02/2005 17:58 Comments || Top||

#4  This boy became a man. Good for him. God bless him.

Posted by: Chalcas || 09/02/2005 18:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Saw this comment linked to on another blog that I posted this story to:

"The law was made for man, not man for the law. He peacefully saved lives, using an abandoned vehicle. Other people are looting, staying behind, shooting at rescuers and each other, setting things on fire, engaging in foolish acts of destructions. He took a hundred people he did not even know out of the pit of hell and brought them to sanctuary."

Enough of the looters and Shep Smith wading and trolling for doom & gloom. I want to see this young man as the "Face of Katrina" in the press.

Come on MSM - pick it up!
Posted by: Oldspook || 09/02/2005 18:01 Comments || Top||

#6  Wish it would happen, OS, but unfortunately you and I both know it won't. :-(

I'm not even christian, but I have no doubt the far left and the MSM bastards will burn in hell.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/02/2005 18:06 Comments || Top||

#7  What Old Spook said. Wow!
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/02/2005 18:11 Comments || Top||

#8  A real Hero.

(Which means the MSM will ignore him...)
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/02/2005 18:41 Comments || Top||

#9  He broke the rules and the law. And also showed maturity, resourcefulness, bravery, and probably saved the lives of a few of those people. Give him a medal!
Posted by: DMFD || 09/02/2005 20:47 Comments || Top||

#10  It's heartbreaking to see that photo of all those school buses just sitting there. I'm surprised that more buses aren't being used. There should be a continual line of buses getting these folks out. More helocopters too. It's good to hear stories of folks actually doing something to save themselves instead of expecting to have others do for them all the time. Kudos to this teen.
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 23:03 Comments || Top||

NO death toll could be > 10K
BATON ROUGE, United States (AFP) - US Senator David Vitter said that the death toll from Hurricane Katrina could top 10,000 in Louisiana alone. "My guess is that it will start at 10,000, but that is only a guess," Vitter said, adding that he was not basing his remarks on any official death toll or body count.

Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, also called for the immediate deployment of regular US combat troops in New Orleans, saying the build-up of National Guard troops was too slow to quickly restore order. Such a step would require Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco to formally request the dispatch of federal army soldiers, a highly unusual step. Blanco said on Thursday that she had asked for 40,000 troops, the majority of which are National Guard units from Louisiana and elsewhere. Five-thousand National Guard troops are expected to be on the ground in violence-wracked New Orleans by late Friday, military leaders said.

But Vitter said that timeline could be too slow, amid reports that bands of armed men are roaming the streets in the city, which is 80 percent submerged in floods brought in by a storm tide after the hurricane hit on Monday.

Vitter, speaking to reporters at the emergency response center in Baton Rouge, also said he gave the federal government a grade 'F' for its response to the disaster so far.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2005 13:19 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [493 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So...

".... Such a step would require Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco to formally request the dispatch of federal army soldiers, a highly unusual step. Blanco said on Thursday that she had asked for 40,000 troops, the majority of which are National Guard units from Louisiana and elsewhere. Five-thousand National Guard troops are expected to be on the ground in violence-wracked New Orleans by late Friday, military leaders said...."

"...Vitter, speaking to reporters at the emergency response center in Baton Rouge, also said he gave the federal government a grade 'F' for its response to the disaster so far...."

Anyone else see a contradiction here?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 09/02/2005 13:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Wonder how many of them will be never to be solved homicides?
And here's more good news:
Big Oil Spill Spotted Near Tanks on Miss.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2005 13:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Too often a lot people really don't have an idea of just what the Federal Government can and cannot do in responding to such a situation. If the Gov needs to formally request for Federal troops then she should get off her high horse and do so. But in retrospect I to would give teh Federal Government in the form of FEMA an F for poor planning. But at the same time I suspect it was one of those situations that we knew on an intelectual level could happen but on a gut level we assumed never would. And for all the talk of this is the worst natural disastar to hit the US. Wrong. The worst was the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918/19

And I wonder if the reports of armed men roaming the streets of NO are locals trying to restore some semblense of order or looters on the prowl or both.
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 09/02/2005 14:12 Comments || Top||

#4  And I wonder if the reports of armed men roaming the streets of NO are locals trying to restore some semblense of order or looters on the prowl or both.

How about both at the same time? New Orleans is gangland USA, so it may depent of which neighborhood they are drifting through.
Posted by: Secret Master || 09/02/2005 14:18 Comments || Top||

#5  These are people who have lived their entire lives on welfare and govt. handouts, it doesn't seem likely that they will grab the bull by the horns and help themselves now, does it? As for the bands of bad men roaming the streets, kill one or two and I'll bet you a dollar that they never come back to your neighborhood. Bad men are notoriously cowardly when it comes to their own safety.
Posted by: Snolulet Theath4701 || 09/02/2005 16:16 Comments || Top||

#6  DU comes through with the compassion (NOT!)
via LGF:

(1000 posts)

Fri Sep-02-05 01:01 PM
Original message
I did not stop to help a * supporter today.

I had no idea how deeply my hate for that man ran. My lack of an interaction, with a * supporter is still haunting me a couple of hours later.

I was on my home and was on the ramp getting off the highway. I saw a mini-van on the side of the road. There was a lady standing next to the van and in her arms she held her child. I can only assume her mini-van had broken down. I don’t know, perhaps with so many gad stations being out of gas, she had also run out. I slowed down and started to pull over to offer her a ride. At the very last second I noticed a “W” sticker on the back of her vehicle and I sped up and drove off.

I feel really bad as a human being. That child is not responsible for their parent’s belief system. They are innocent and do not deserve to be out in the heat. (It is warm but not so bad that they would even break a sweat) I try not to punish people for what they believe.

On the other hand, so many hateful thoughts went through my head. I wondered how a person could see what was going on in NO and still have one of those awful stickers on their car. How could they support an awful excuse for a human being that has let our country down and is letting Americans die after they have made it through the storm? How can someone be so blind and so stupid?

I thought that if she loves * so much, maybe he would come along and help her the same way he is rescuing all of those poor people in the weather stricken part of our country. Let’s see what her hero can do for her.

I never did go back. I was so upset with that sticker and with the fact that someone would support an idiot who is so clearly running our country into the ground.

So why am I writing this? It is not to boast, I really feel bad about passing this child and not picking up their mother. Perhaps it is for a catharsis of sorts? That would be an educated guess. I suppose it is because I feel conflicted and I am writing this to try and sort through what I am feeling. There are two emotional sides, for me, on this incident and neither seems completely right or wrong to me. Even writing this, I am still not able to work through what happened. I feel like I am floating between right and wrong and am unable to grab either side.

Thanks for listening.

You're welcome, you self-involved cunt. Hope you die real soon.

Jeezuz H. Keerist...
Posted by: mojo || 09/02/2005 17:03 Comments || Top||

#7  New Orleans Bravest in 'Bad Shape'
Firehouse.Com News has been able to contact a New Orleans firefighter for two brief conversations. Other then his POV, this firefighter has lost everything he owns including his home located in the flooded area of the city. He says the fire department is in bad shape right now. Many of the firefighters, both off and on duty, are missing and there is no real accountability system. The fire department has pulled out of New Orleans and retreated to the suburbs of Algiers across the Mississippi where they are under the protection of armed National Guardsmen and many of the firefighters are carrying guns themselves. Many of the firefighters have had their lives threatened by armed civilians while they were battling fires and trying to assist them. At the Bourbon and Canal Streets fire, they were looting the buildings directly adjacent to the fire building and with no regard to the work going on there. He is carrying both of his handguns. Last night, a staff meeting was held to discuss the fact that additional armed forces were coming into the city to try and restore order and then they’ll be going back to work. Right now, they are letting whatever catches fire to burn as it is too dangerous to work. CNN television broadcasts were showing a burning building in the business district of the city Friday morning with no fire suppression. Additionally they reported a large warehouse fire across the river that was not receiving any suppression either. Many of the firefighters have been victims of violence on the streets from civilians and they were in extreme danger it seems. At the same time, it seems that none of them have been injured, but without accountability, it’s really unknown. At least 75 percent of the department’s members have lost their homes, but it’s really too early to see the exact numbers.
New Orleans Cop Paints Terrible Picture
A disturbing story on CNN.com reported on a New Orleans police officer who left the city out of desparation. The New Orleans police sergeant compared the situation to Somalia and said officers were outnumbered and outgunned by gangs in trucks. "It's a war zone, and they're not treating it like one," he said, referring to the federal government. The officer hitched a ride to Baton Rouge Friday morning, after working 60 hours straight in the flooded city. He has not decided whether he will return. He broke down in tears when he described the deaths of his fellow officers, saying many had drowned doing their jobs. Other officers have turned in their badges as the situation continues to deteriorate. In one incident, the sergeant said gunmen fired rifles and AK-47s at the helicopters flying overhead. He said he saw bodies riddled with bullet holes, and the top of one man's head completely shot off.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2005 17:11 Comments || Top||

#8  Urban renewal and get rid of the gang-banger bastards all at once:

MOAB the area. They want to act like its Fallujah, then they get treated like its fallujah.
Posted by: Not2Extreme || 09/02/2005 18:04 Comments || Top||

#9  Check out this blog links,these people have black hearts and no soul.

I Won't Contribute to Katrina

my response:1st if you liberial assholes' hatred of Bush runs so deep you will not help the sick,hurt and starving then you are trully sick,pathetic losers.
2nd New Orleans was a city waiting for a disaster for well over 100 years.The place was built in the middle of a swamp for Chrst's sake.What the hell do think would happen to a city built in the Mississipi River Delta(river delta=mud).If you had the common sense of a bag of hair then you would be blaming every politition(city,parish,state,fed)that had anything to do with the city of N.O.in the last 100 years.I'm a damn cripple and have donated a couple of bucks open-up your wallets you heartless bastards and help those poor people.
Posted by: raptor || 09/02/2005 19:58 Comments || Top||

AP Satellite Photo of New Orleans - Clickable
Note particularly in the upper left that one side of a channel is dry and the other is flooded.

Also the French Quarter is partially dry.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/02/2005 12:09 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [316 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Tulane, Loyola and the Zoo look okay.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/02/2005 13:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Area around the casino and hotels on lower end of Canal Street looks dry. Looks like Mothers Restaurant is Ok too. Best breakfast in N.O.
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 16:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Best ham sammich in the world Steve. Naw not really, but for 8 bucks you get enough ham or roaster beef for 2 meals for a large person. I give 4 Stars! Extra star if Lorraine is behind the counter.


Refill? WHAT? This look like a Tea well?
Posted by: Mona Gorilla || 09/02/2005 18:10 Comments || Top||

New Orleans School Buses Not Used
An aerial view of flooded school buses in a lot, Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005, in New Orleans, LA. The flood is a result of Hurricane Katrina that passed through the area last Monday.(AP Photo/Phil Coale)

Link leads to an AP picture of a lot full of school buses. It seems to me that the buffoon Mayor of New Orleans could have used these to evacuate people before the store.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 09/02/2005 11:58 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [629 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I remember watching footage of the evacuation in the days leading up to Katrina. The highways out of town were jammed bumper to bumber while the lanes heading in were empty. I wondered then why they didn't block a couple inbound lanes and let the outbound traffic use them. This was not well planned out at all.
Posted by: BH || 09/02/2005 12:11 Comments || Top||

#2  I heard the Interstates were one-way out, but I never saw that. That was always the plan for the Interstate national defense highway system thingy. So what happenend?
Posted by: Bobby || 09/02/2005 12:20 Comments || Top||

#3  could have used these to evacuate people before the store.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 09/02/2005 12:21 Comments || Top||

#4  BH, the inbound lanes were blocked and turned into outbound lanes (a process called "contraflow.") And having participated in it I can tell you that the evacuation plan worked pretty well; the Missisippi and Louisiana state troopers really had their act together as far as I could see. One of the problems is that the city is basically an island surrounded by water or swamps; so the road options are limited.
Posted by: Matt || 09/02/2005 13:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Matt! Good to "see" you. What is your life like right now?
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/02/2005 13:28 Comments || Top||

#6  Hind sight can be vicious sometimes, so I don't want to sit in judgement here. It's good to see that more transportation is being used to get folks out today. How tragic to watch all of this happening, and to our own. I've been thinking about our military over in Iraq and Afghanistan with family in New Orleans, hopefully information is getting to them as quickly as possible. As for this violence with rape and shootings, I'm truly at a loss.
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 13:33 Comments || Top||

#7  Em, thanks. I evacuated to Jackson MS -- the only place I could find a hotel room and also our branch office site -- but Jackson itself got hit hard by Katrina and is short of power and gasoline. I'm now with family near Little Rock, and plan on visiting the Clinton Library ASAP. The condition of my house in New Orleans is not clear, but hopefully the damage will be minimal.
Posted by: Matt || 09/02/2005 14:57 Comments || Top||

#8  Good luck and Godspeed, Matt. It sounds like things have really made a turn for the better today. I still wait in judgement for finger pointing later. I can tell you from one little federal employee, having participated before (from the office), this thing was bigger than we were prepared for. Nat'l Guard troops are now moving in from as far away as L.A. and Vermont. Just getting there takes time. The more local N.G. troops maybe could've been there a little bit earlier, but people have GOT to realize, there's only a few way in to N.O. Most of the bridges (from the east) were gone, so a lot of the Feds got as close as Jackson, MS or Baton Rouge, LA, but had to sit until they could find ways in. And, also, people must also realize that we didn't know HOW MANY people were there until just late Wed./Thurs. You don't deploy 10,000 N.G. troops to evacuate only 1,000 citizens. We did NOT know there were 40,000+ until just yesterday, really. In fact, I've always known it would be this bad if N.O. got hit directly. Just deploying that MANY troops/equipment takes time/coordination. I'm just an EPA employee, and unless you were down there before she hit, it sounds like either: (a) you can't get there (bridges/roads out), or (b) they won't let you in, as really right now, only N.G. and/or Health experts should be there. We've got one guy who left the next morning and has been sitting in Jackson, MS (he was heading to Miss. coast) since. He got there, but they are pretty much out of gas/don't have power to pump gas at stations until today or so. N.G. can get in there because they have the equipment to do it, and bring their own fuel.
Posted by: BA || 09/02/2005 16:03 Comments || Top||

#9  And, BTW, Je$$e Jackson and the Nat'l Black Caucus need to STFU! People are dying down there, and they're sitting in D.C. quoting biblical scriptures to the President. I really have a feeling (in N.O. especially) that we are not seeing now how bad it is (media blacking out). I personally don't doubt that the death toll will be well over 10,000.
Posted by: BA || 09/02/2005 16:06 Comments || Top||

#10  BA, thanks. I said this in a post the other day, but the most comforting thing I've seen this week is unit after unit of National Guard troops rolling south.

I've lived in New Orleans all my life and intellectually understood that this could happen, but the enormity of the thing was beyond my ability to imagine.
Posted by: Matt || 09/02/2005 16:28 Comments || Top||

#11  A very large National Guard convoy passed by where I live going south on Interstate 55, should be there late tonight. Contrary to what that idiot of a Mayor says, help is on the way.
Posted by: djh_usmc || 09/02/2005 20:02 Comments || Top||

Where are the Guardsmen? Right where they ought to be.
So is the war in Iraq causing troop shortfalls for hurricane relief in New Orleans? In a word, no.

A look at the numbers should dispel that notion. Take the Army for example. There are 1,012,000 soldiers on active duty, in the Reserves, or in the National Guard. Of them, 261,000 are deployed overseas in 120 countries. Iraq accounts for 103,000 soldiers, or 10.2 percent of the Army. That’s all? Yes, 10.2 percent. That datum is significant in itself, a good one to keep handy the next time someone talks about how our forces are stretched too thin, our troops are at the breaking point, and so forth. If you add in Afghanistan (15,000) and the support troops in Kuwait (10,000) you still only have 12.6 percent.

So where are the rest? 751,000 (74.2 percent) are in the U.S. About half are active duty, and half Guard and Reserve. The Guard is the real issue of course — the Left wants you to believe that the country has been denuded of its citizen soldiers, and that Louisiana has suffered inordinately because Guardsmen and women who would have been available to be mobilized by the state to stop looting and aid in reconstruction are instead risking their lives in Iraq.

Not hardly. According to Lieutenant General H. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, 75 percent of the Army and Air National Guard are available nationwide. In addition, the federal government has agreed since the conflict in Iraq started not to mobilize more than 50 percent of Guard assets in any given state, in order to leave sufficient resources for governors to respond to emergencies.

In Louisiana only about a third of Guard personnel are deployed, and they will be returning in about a week as part of their normal rotation. The Mississippi Guard has 40 percent overseas. But Louisiana and Mississippi are not alone in this effort — under terms of Emergency Management Assistance Compacts (EMACs) between the states, Guard personnel are heading to the area from West Virginia, D.C., New Mexico, Utah, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Alabama, Washington, Indiana, Georgia, Kentucky, and Michigan. Thousands have already arrived, and more will over the next day or so.
Oh, and by the way, the National Guard is under the control of the Governors of their respective states. I wonder when Gov. Kathleen Blanco ordered her's in?

The New York Times has called the military response “a costly game of catch up.” Catching up compared to what, one wonders. National Guard units were mobilized immediately; 7,500 troops from four states were on the ground within 24 hours of Katrina — a commendable response given the disruptions to the transportation infrastructure. The DOD response is well ahead of the 1992 Hurricane Andrew timetable. Back then, the support request took nine days to crawl through the bureaucracy. The reaction this time was less than three days officially, and DOD had been pre-staging assets in anticipation of the aid request from the moment Katrina hit. DOD cannot act independently of course; the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is the lead agency. Requests for assistance have to be routed from local officials through FEMA to U.S. Northern Command and then to the necessary components. In practice, this means state officials have to assess damage and determine relief requirements; FEMA has to come up with a plan for integrating the military into the overall effort; DOD has to begin to pack and move the appropriate materiel, and deploy sufficient forces. This has all largely been or is being accomplished. Seven thousand mostly Navy and other specialized assets are currently in the area directly supporting hurricane relief, and a much larger number of other forces are en route. The process has been functioning remarkably smoothly under the circumstances.

It is hard to understand what more should, or realistically could have been done up to this point. A disaster of this magnitude is certain to be politicized, but it seems early in the game to be assessing blame for a response effort that has only been underway a few days in a crisis that is still developing; particularly such a rapid response. Moreover, it is simply not plausible to use the situation to critique the force structure in Iraq. The Guard is demonstrating that it can fulfill both its state and federal responsibilities, as it was designed and intended to do. Of course, it is impossible to win in these situations; critics will always find a way. A year ago after Hurricane Charley, the president was accused of responding too quickly, allegedly to curry favor with Florida voters. Back then only a few fringe characters tried to make the Iraq/Guard connection. It is a shame that the Times has drifted in their direction.
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 11:26 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [307 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Moreover, a lot of the remaining-in-state Louisiana National Guard are organized as the 225th Engineer Group.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 09/02/2005 12:46 Comments || Top||

#2  " . . . the mayor (Ray Nagin) and others said the federal government had bungled the relief effort and let people die in the streets for lack of food, water or medicine" . . .

"Get off your asses and let's do something," Mayor Ray Nagin told WWL-AM Thursday night in a rambling interview in which he cursed, yelled and ultimately burst into tears. At one point he said: "Excuse my French -- everybody in America -- but I am pissed."

Across the city, law and order broke down.

(And that's who's fault, again? Oh, right, I forgot. It's Bush's fault.)

Police officers turned in their badges.

Rescuers, law officers and medical-evacuation helicopters were shot at by storm victims.

Fistfights and fires broke out Thursday at the hot and stinking Superdome as thousands of people waited in misery to board buses for the Houston Astrodome.

Corpses lay out in the open in wheelchairs and in bedsheets.

The looting continued."

"Gov. Kathleen Blanco called the looters "hoodlums" and issued a warning to lawbreakers: Hundreds of National Guardsmen hardened on the battlefield in Iraq have landed in New Orleans. 'They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will.'

Dems are always anti-military until they need 'em.

Democrat "heroes" . . .
Posted by: ex-lib || 09/02/2005 12:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah.., natural catastrophe of biblical proportions, devastation on a national scale (bought gas lately ?), Damn...that mayor should have planned better. Building schools and hospitals for the hajis in Iraq. Stop pushing the snooze button. I aint't no flaming 'Libral',
I'm one pissed off ole grunt that says America First. And please don't spoon feed me any of the bs about ..we are fighting them their so we don't have to fight them here. I've spent many tours in third world pissholes ...they aint worth our sweat. I think I captured it all. Sleep well.
Posted by: Buzzsaw || 09/02/2005 19:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Nite Pat. Don't forget to kick the kitten.
Posted by: Mona Gorilla || 09/02/2005 19:10 Comments || Top||

Rebuilding the Gulf Coast, One Group at a Time
The only way to rebuild the societies battered by Katrina is for specialized groups to find one another. The internet is ready to help.
by Hugh Hewitt

YESTERDAY America's emergency relief effort went into high gear and is likely to stay there for weeks, as all across the country citizens open their wallets to help out their fellow countrymen.

Before long, however, the extreme needs will be met and the long-term rebuilding will get underway. At that point it will become much less obvious how ordinary Americans can help. When terrorists struck on September 11, the carnage was huge and the loss of life staggering, but an entire community was not wiped out. With this disaster, America confronts for the first time the daunting reconstruction of complex social and political organizations.

It is a task which may be beyond the ability of the local, state, and federal governments to manage. How, for example, does a government--at any level--presume to assist a shattered church in the reconstruction of its walls and its Sunday School programs, an Alcoholics Anonymous chapter in the care of its members, a community theater in the reconstruction of its playhouse, or scores and scores of high school athletes in the completion of their senior year schedules so that colleges and universities can offer talented kids a chance at a free education?

The only way such a multitude of specialized needs can be met is for the vast, vast numbers of their counterparts across the United States to act--independently of government--to come to their aid in a reconstruction effort.

N.Z. Bear, one of the most innovative entrepreneurs in the blogosphere, has agreed to help organize the launch of such an effort. If a particular organization in the devastated region--a PTA, a youth soccer league, a Presbyterian Church, a garden club, a cooking school, a literary magazine--decides it wants to ask for help, that appeal will be listed on a special page, which will get quite a lot of traffic as the country's bloggers publicize opportunities for people to help. Sometimes the requests will be for cash. Other times they will be for the sort of specialized help that only similarly situated people can provide. The fact is, the needs will be so different and so voluminous that it is impossible to predict what will come up. The second fact is that there are millions of Americans who would like nothing more than to help. Connecting the need with the volunteer at the level of specificity required is a solution that the web allows.

There's a New Orleans Chess Club, for example. If it got smashed up, it will have needs. There's no way that 99.999 percent of America knows what those would be, but there hundreds of other chess clubs that do. Certainly scores of them will want to help.

In many instances there is no need to wait to find a partner in need of help in rebuilding. Mark D. Roberts, a pastor, theologian, and blogger, went online and discovered that an old acquaintance of his led the Canal Street Presbyterian Church in the middle of the city of New Orleans. Roberts tracked down his old friend, Mike Hogg, in Houston and promised church-to-church assistance, from one Presbyterian congregation to another. A police officer from Phoenix emailed me to relay that he was certain his Officer's Benevolent Association would be searching out their counterparts in the Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama communities to offer rebuilding aid. A Scout master assured me that the troops of the region would find themselves overwhelmed with donated equipment to make up for what was blown or washed away. No doubt libraries, hospitals, galleries, restaurants, and specialized businesses like florists, jewelers, and auto repair shops will find willing partners as well. The way to rebuild an entire set of communities is to call upon America's thousands of communities to send aid of the sort they know is needed.

THIS SORT OF SYSTEM is common in small-scale disasters where neighbors know what needs to be done and simply do it. Using the internet, that same generous impulse can be channeled on a large scale. The most important thing will be for local governments and national organizations to be as flexible as they can be in allowing innovation. Right now, for example, the NCAA should be figuring out how to allow athletes of great promise who are about to be sidelined to transfer for the season to a team which can absorb and train that talent. Museum boards of directors should be directing their staffs to be prepared to bend the collection rules to get some exhibits to the Big Easy ASAP if the city's galleries have restoration and recovery programs ahead. And some large organizations will have to be willing to loan talent.

It will be awhile before the staggered survivors of the Gulf coast are stable enough to contemplate how to rebuild. When they get to that point, though, it will be wonderful if platoons of help are standing by at the ready. And if the folks in need can find the folks who want to help, with ease.

Hugh Hewitt is the host of a nationally syndicated radio show, and author most recently of Blog: Understanding the Information Reformation That is Changing Your World. His daily blog can be found at HughHewitt.com.
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 10:54 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [302 views] Top|| File under:

Home Front: Tech
Closer to Energy Breakthrough in Lighting
I've posted on previous development in this area. I also hold stock in CREE.
DURHAM, N.C., Sept. 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE - News), a leader in..., today announced breakthrough performance results achieved in development of Cree Lighting's standard white XLamp(TM) 7090 Power LED. XLamp 7090 LEDs in development have demonstrated maximum luminous flux of 86 lumens and 70 lumens per watt at 350 mA [for comparison sake, ordinary incandescent bulbs give about 8-15 lumens per watt, e.g. an 75 watt Phillips gets about 1200 lumens; high pressure sodium vapor lamps get up to about 80 lumens per watt].
This represents a 43 percent increase in brightness compared with the maximum luminous flux of white XLamp 7090 power LEDs currently in production. "These performance results... closer to achieving the holy grail of 150 lumens per watt," ...
[because this is close to the theoretical maximum efficiency]
... notes Steve Johnson, head of the Lighting Research Group at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory....

[since LEDs can be made modularly and potentially cheaply, if we get to the 150 lumen/watt stage, it would save enormous quantities of energy and much safer (because of the low current). LEDs currently provide most of the lighting for PDAs, cell phones, etc.]
Posted by: mhw || 09/02/2005 10:44 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [513 views] Top|| File under:

#1  demonstrated maximum luminous flux of 86 lumens and 70 lumens per watt

Ye gods, man. I just want to check my text messages, not melt the skin off my face.
Posted by: BH || 09/02/2005 11:06 Comments || Top||

#2  I was talking to a rep for Dual-Lite emergency lights the other day. They are not quite there yet for minimum ft-candles for LED emergency lights. LED emergency lights could allow emergency illumination in building spaces for many more hours on the same batteries that run incandescent emergency lights for 90 minutes now.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 09/02/2005 11:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Wake me up when they announce a production cost breakthrough. And $50 a bulb isn't what I consider a production cost breakthrough.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/02/2005 12:21 Comments || Top||

#4  Sorry for the silly question, but how long do these things last? Maybe $50 isn't too bad!
Posted by: Curt Simon || 09/02/2005 13:17 Comments || Top||

#5  BH

Existing incandescents have a lifetime of about 1000- 3000 hours of use. The high pressure sodium vapor lights go up to 40,000 hours. In theory an LED light ought to last practically forever but the company is aiming for lifetimes of 100,000 hours.

Regarding cost, the cost will probably be initially set as the maximum price that will enable the company to sell everything it produces - so it will start rather high - say $50. However, as they add more production capacity and their R&D costs are spread over more revenue, the price would go down.
Posted by: mhw || 09/02/2005 13:31 Comments || Top||

#6  LED emergency lights could allow emergency illumination in building spaces for many more hours on the same batteries that run incandescent emergency lights for 90 minutes now.

I have my emergency light right on my keychain. :)
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/02/2005 16:01 Comments || Top||

#7  Put me down for 6 so I don't have risk life and limb in certain tree houses.
Posted by: Mona Gorilla || 09/02/2005 16:08 Comments || Top||

#8  LED lights are getting pretty cheap. If you want to try one without spending a lot of money:
20-LED Pivot Lantern
$15.99. Battery or plugin. Great for camping.
5% off coupon
Posted by: ed || 09/02/2005 18:51 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm still amazed and entertained for hours by my Clapper™
Posted by: Frank G || 09/02/2005 19:40 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Economy
New Orleans Levee Fix Expected to End Soon
Military helicopters on Thursday dropped sandbags into the levee breach that sent floodwaters from Lake Pontchartrain pouring into New Orleans, the state's top transportation official said. The sandbags are part of a temporary plan aimed at plugging the hole in the levee. The next step: Drop about 250 concrete road barriers into the area and seal the spot where swirling waters toppled the floodwall, said Johnny Bradberry, head of the state Department of Transportation and Development.

The lake's levels have dropped about 2 1/2 feet over the past two days, about equal to the water level in flooded areas on the other side of the levee, Bradberry said. Contractors also had finished building a road that will make it easier to get heavy equipment to the levee.
In a separate project on the canal, contractors used sheet pile walls to try to close the front of the canal, aiming to cut off its connection to the lake. "In the next day, day and a half, it will be completely isolated from the lake," Bradberry said. The pilings need to go down more than 30 feet to fully block the flow of water, according to Michael B. Rogers, with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

Normally, the canal's function is to allow rainwater to be pumped out of the bowl-shaped city and into the lake. Blocking the canal and using the sandbags and concrete to fill breaches is a temporary fix; engineers will eventually have to rebuild at least parts of the canal.
Engineers have not been able to get to another levee break at the Industrial Canal, on the other side of New Orleans, though water is not flowing into the city from that hole. Walter Baumy, chief of the Corps' engineering division for the New Orleans district, said they were also trying to fix the city's pumping stations.
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 10:41 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [291 views] Top|| File under:

Floods unavoidable, Army engineers say
The levee system that protected New Orleans from hurricane-spawned surges along Lake Pontchartrain was never designed to survive a storm the size of Hurricane Katrina, the Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday. The levees were built to withstand only a Category 3 storm, something projections suggested would strike New Orleans only once every two or three centuries, the commander of the corps, Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, told reporters during a conference call. Katrina was a Category 4 storm. ''Unfortunately, that occurred in this case,'' Strock said.

Strock said the levee system's design was settled on a quarter of a century ago, before the current numerical system of classifying storms was in widespread use. He said studies had begun recently on strengthening the system to protect against Category 4 and 5 hurricanes, but hadn't progressed very far. Strock said that despite a May report by the Corps' Louisiana district that a lack of federal funding had slowed construction of hurricane protection, nothing the Corps could have done recently would have prevented Katrina from flooding New Orleans.''The levee projects that failed were at full project design and were not really going to be improved,'' Strock said.

Strock's comments drew immediate criticism from flood-protection advocates, who said that the Corps' May report was a call for action and a complaint about insufficient funding, and that no action took place. ''The Corps knew, everybody knew, that the levees had limited capability,'' said Joseph Suhayda, a retired director of the Louisiana State University's Water Resources and Research Institute. ''Because of exercises and simulations, we knew that the consequences of overtopping [water coming over the levees] would be disastrous. People were playing with matches in the fireworks factory and it went off,'' he said.

Suhayda, an expert in coastal oceanography, said, ``the fact the levee failed is not according to design. If it was overtopped, it's because it was lower in that spot than other spots. The fact that it was only designed for a Category 3 meant it was going to get overtopped. I knew that. They knew that. There were limits.''

Some critics Thursday questioned the usefulness of levees, saying that all of them fail eventually. ''There are lots of ways for levees to fail. Overtopping is just one of them,'' said Michael Lindell, of Texas A&M University's Hazard Reduction and Recovery Center. 'There's a lot of smoke screen about `low probabilities.' Low probabilities just means 'Takes a long time.' '' Strock said stopping the flow of water over the levees has proved to be ''a very challenging effort.'' Engineers have been unable to reach the levees and have had to draw up plans based only on observations from the air. ''We, too, are victims in this situation,'' he said.

In Louisiana, Army Corps officials said they hoped that one break, in what's known as the 17th Street Canal, might be closed by the end of Thursday, but that a second break in the London Avenue canal is proving more intractable. Short sections of the walls that protected the city from Lake Pontchartrain caved in under storm surges, including an area that recently had been strengthened.

A fact sheet issued by the Corps in May said that seven construction projects in New Orleans had been stalled for lack of funding. It noted that the budget proposed by President Bush for 2005 was $3 million and called that amount insufficient to fund new construction contracts.
''We could spend $20 million if the funds were provided,'' the fact sheet said. Two major pump stations needed to be protected against hurricane storm surges, the fact sheet said, but the budgets for 2005 and 2006 ``will prevent the corps from addressing these pressing needs.''
This is nothing new. From Michelle Maklin's blog: The Clinton Administration held up a major New Orleans levee construction project in 1995, according to a June 23, 1995, article in the Times-Picayune:

A hurricane project, approved and financed since 1965, to protect more than 140,000 West Bank residents east of the Harvey Canal is in jeopardy. The Clinton administration is holding back a Corps of Engineers report recommending that the $120 million project proceed. Unless that report is forwarded to the Office of Management and Budget, Congress cannot authorize money for the project, U.S. Rep. William Jefferson's office said Thursday. Without the improvements - a flood gate in the Harvey Canal and raised levees along the Intracoastal Waterway - a tidal surge produced by a hurricane "could result in the catastrophic loss of life and property damage," corps officials reported. In a worst-case-scenario storm, 82 percent of the buildings east of the Harvey Canal, from The Point in Algiers to the Algiers Lock in the Industrial Canal, would be flooded, causing $2.2 billion in damage, according to corps estimates. Gerald Spohrer, executive director of the West Jefferson Levee District, is seething. "The bureaucracy in Washington has been given a specific instruction and the way they are dealing with it is to do nothing," he said.

Acknowledging delays in construction, Corps officials in Louisiana said that those projects weren't where the failures occurred. ''They did not contribute to the flooding of the city,'' said Al Naomi, a senior project manager. ''The design was not adequate to protect against a storm of this nature,'' he said. ``We were not authorized to provide protection to Category 4 or 5 design.''
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 09:58 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [300 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There's a lot of smoke screen about `low probabilities.' Low probabilities just means 'Takes a long time.'

Wrong. Low probabilities means "it might be a long time". He made it a little too simple. At the other extreme is high probability, which means "it will probably happen fairly soon."

The Katrina storm has a low probability, probably a '500-year event', meaning the probabilty of the event is 1/500 for each year. Or a 0.2% chance in any year. The chance of another Katrina hitting there next year is the same as it was this year - 1 in 500.

Except, of course, the 'global warming' will probably triple the chances of any bad weather happening as long as Bush is in office.
Posted by: Bobby || 09/02/2005 10:30 Comments || Top||

Explosions rock New Orleans
An explosion jolted residents awake early Friday, illuminating the pre-dawn sky with red and orange flames over a city where corpses rotted along flooded sidewalks and bands of armed thugs thwarted fitful rescue efforts.

Congress was rushing through a $10.5 billion aid package, the Pentagon promised 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting and President Bush planned to visit the region Friday. But city officials were seething with anger about what they called a slow federal response following Hurricane Katrina. "They don't have a clue what's going on down there," Mayor Ray Nagin told WWL-AM Thursday night.
Ray's performance hasn't been too inspiring, either.
"They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn — excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed."

At 4:35 a.m. Friday, an explosion rocked a chemical storage facility near the Mississippi River east of the French Quarter, said Lt. Michael Francis of the Harbor Police. A series of smaller blasts followed and then acrid, black smoke that could be seen even in the dark. The vibrations were felt all the way downtown.

Francis did not have any other information about the explosions and did not know if there were any casualties. At least two police boats could be seen at the scene and a hazardous material team was on route.

A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings. Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell — it's every man for himself.'"

FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but they are working overtime to feed people and restore order.

Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence. "I'm a Christian," he said. "I feel bad going in there."

Hospitals struggled to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying for lack of oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids. But when some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"

To make matters worse, the chief of the Louisiana State Police said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers — many of whom from flooded areas — turning in their badges. "They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Col. Henry Whitehorn said.

Mississippi's confirmed death toll from Katrina rose to 126 on Thursday as more rescue teams spread out into a sea of rubble to search for the living, their efforts complicated at one point by the threat of a thunderstorm. All along the 90-mile coast, other emergency workers performed the grisly task of retrieving corpses, some of them lying on streets and amid the ruins of obliterated homes that stretch back blocks from the beach.

Gov. Haley Barbour said he knows people are tired, hungry, dirty and scared — particularly in areas hardest hit by Katrina. He said the state faces a long and expensive recovery process. "I will say, sometimes I'm scared, too," Barbour said during a briefing in Jackson, Miss. "But we are going to hitch up our britches. We're going to get this done."
So far his performance has been the best of the state/local government officials that have been in the public eye. He's really the only one providing hope to people. Blanco and Nagin just aren't getting the job done.
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Can't say that too often.
Posted by: mojo || 09/02/2005 11:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Wash your hands in the warm water!
Posted by: Mona Gorilla || 09/02/2005 16:00 Comments || Top||

Bush Says Relief Results 'Not Acceptable'
President Bush, facing blistering criticism for his administration's response to Hurricane Katrina, said Friday "the results are not acceptable" and pledged to bolster relief efforts with a personal trip to the Gulf Coast. "We'll get on top of this situation," Bush said, "and we're going to help the people that need help." He spoke on the White House grounds just boarding his presidential helicopter, Marine One, with Homeland Security Department secretary Michael Chertoff to tour the region. The department, which oversees the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has been accused of responding sluggishly to the deadly hurricane.

"There's a lot of aid surging toward those who've been affected. Millions of gallons of water. Millions of tons of food. We're making progress about pulling people out of the Superdome," the president said. For the first time, however, he stopped defending his administration's response and criticized it. "A lot of people are working hard to help those who've been affected. The results are not acceptable," he said. "I'm heading down there right now."
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 09:37 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [283 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am VERY upset at the lack of leadership and results on all levels - starting from the President down. The Mayor of NO finally called it like it is - gov officials showing up for press shots and PR and then leaving. I am blown away at the slow response in getting just water to the people down there. It is a national embarassment and crisis.

I bet if the residents in NO were muslims in another country, our response would have been a hell of a lot swifter.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 09/02/2005 10:52 Comments || Top||

#2  I bet if the residents in NO were muslims in another country, our response would have been a hell of a lot swifter.

Likely not. The only reason the USN's response to the tsunami was so quick was there were assets already there. The UNSN Comfort took weeks to make its way across.
Posted by: Pappy || 09/02/2005 11:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Sam, I think that you, and all the whinging folks out there are more than a little unfair.

From what I've seen the two public officials most to blame are the mayor of NO and the govenor of LA. It was THEIR responsibility to have a disaster relief plan that included getting food and water to the shelter points like the convention center and Superdome.

Why didn't they use all those school busses for the evacuation of the folks without transport on Saturday?

Once the sh** hits the fan, it takes time to coordinate and move supplies when there is no infrastructure. Do you think that we should have a million meals and gallons of water stockpiled at every potential shelter site in the country?

How much would that cost and where would you put it? NO is a freakin' lake! with lot and lots of little islands with lots of people stranded on them. How many thousands of helicopter flights will it take to move 100,000 people? This has only been going on for 4 days (less if you count from when the levee let go).

Let's wait for "Monday morning" before you start the Monday morning quaterbacking.

Washington is neither omniscient nor omnipotent so cut them a little slack.
Posted by: AlanC || 09/02/2005 14:05 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't get a "Rudy Giuliani" vibe from the mayor of NOLA. Nor the governor of Louisiana.

What's going on in Mississippi?
Posted by: eLarson || 09/02/2005 16:36 Comments || Top||

Fats Domino Rescued by Boat
Fats Domino apparently rode out the hurricane in his New Orleans home and was rescued by boat from his flooded neighborhood, his daughter Karen Domino White said Thursday. The 77-year-old R&B legend had been reported missing Thursday by his longtime agent, Al Embry, and his niece, Checquoline Davis.

White said late Thursday that she saw a photograph of her father that had been taken Monday by the New Orleans Times-Picayune. The photo showed Domino, whose real name is Antoine Domino, in jeans and a blue-striped shirt being helped off a boat by rescuers. "We're very relieved," White said in a telephone interview. White said she has been unable to speak to Domino and had no information on his wife, Rosemary, or any other family members in the flooded city.
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 09:32 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [459 views] Top|| File under:

#1  OK, we've got the Fats Domino, the Neville Brothers and Allen Toussaint squared away. Anybody heard anything about Mac "Dr. John" Rebenneck? Talk about right place, wrong time ...
Posted by: VAMark || 09/02/2005 12:10 Comments || Top||

#2  sweet. :)
Posted by: muck4doo || 09/02/2005 14:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Great news.
Just had to put on "Blueberry Hill" now

Posted by: john || 09/02/2005 19:41 Comments || Top||

#4  sweet, indeed :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 09/02/2005 19:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Jeeze Louise! Ima been hearing "I'm Goin' to New Orleans" in the voice of Fats Domino inside my head ALL FRIGGIN DAY! No sh*t! Make it stop, pleeze.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 09/02/2005 22:36 Comments || Top||

Breaking: Explosions rock hurricane-hit city
Massive explosions have rocked part of New Orleans, where recovery efforts are continuing after the devastation wreaked by Hurricane Katrina. At about 4.35am local time a series of explosions were reported along the riverfront a few miles south of the city's French Quarter. The cause of the blasts, and the extent of any possible damage, was not immediately known.
UPDATE: An explosion at a chemical depot jolted residents awake early Friday, illuminating the pre-dawn sky with red and orange flames over a city awash in corpses and under siege from looters. There were no immediate reports of injuries. Vibrations from the blast along the Mississippi River and a few miles east of the French Quarter were felt all the way downtown. A series of smaller blasts followed and then a cyclone of acrid, black smoke.
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Armed thugs keep rescuers from their mission
So who runs Bartertown these days?
With seven rescue boats at his disposal and thousands of New Orleans residents in need of saving, lifelong fireman Patrick Hemphill stood by the floodwaters' edge yesterday and gave a command that went against all his years of training. Stand down. Citizens were in danger, yet he had to tell his people to pull back.

"We've been ordered by the higher-ups not to go into the city of New Orleans," said Hemphill, the fire chief of Ouachita Parish, a county in northern Louisiana. "We've been advised it's not safe." "They're shooting at my people," said Mario Scramuzza, an emergency medical technician from nearby East Jefferson General Hospital, who was helping to coordinate medical care along with Hemphill. Scramuzza said the biggest problem were gun-toting men who tried to hijack the rescue boats. "We've got priorities of people who need to get out first, women, children and elderly. If you don't stop for them, they shoot at you," Scramuzza said.

The problem was widespread in New Orleans. A rescue helicopter trying to airlift people out of the Superdome was fired on. A force of 88 police officers sent to restore calm to the area around the New Orleans Convention Center had to retreat in the face of violence. Workers at one hospital ducked gunfire as they tried to evacuate patients. A National Guardsman was shot in the leg as he fended off an attacker who tried to steal his gun. For people like Scramuzza and Hemphill -- men whose lives are dedicated to helping others -- it made an already difficult task that much more frustrating. "There are still a lot of people out there who don't need to spend anymore time where they are," Hemphill said. "We're trying to do what we can, but we have our hands tied a little bit."

So they did the best they could. Hemphill is overseeing one of the many rescue boat operations here, launching crafts from Route 61 in Jefferson Parish, at the spot where the road lowers to meet the floodwaters. He and his fellow firemen from Ouachita Parish got there Wednesday morning and were able to operate safely, albeit with some difficulty. "It's not easy," Hemphill said. "There are a lot of shallow places where they have to get out and drag the boats. There's things floating in the water. There are submerged objects." When the bullets started flying, it got to be too much. They were still sending boats yesterday off Route 61, but only to the more immediate areas of Jefferson Parish.

And they were under orders to take extreme precaution. Each boat went out with an armed guard wearing bulletproof armor and carrying high-powered weapons. When a boat returned -- usually full -- each passenger was searched for weapons. That became standard procedure at evacuation points after there was a shooting outside the Superdome on Wednesday. "We're patting down every person that comes up here and we're checking every bag," Scramuzza said. It has put them in the strange position of being both rescuers and policemen. "We wish we could do more, but we're doing the best we can," Hemphill said. "This isn't how we wanted this to happen."
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#1  No doubt the anti-gun crowd will use this as a reason to ban all Guns. Ignoring cases where lives and property were saved by armed citizens.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/02/2005 3:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Send in a unit of Kiowas to fly cover for the firemen and if anyone one starts shooting at the rescuers then take 'em out. After a day of this, the fun will be gone from being an anarchist and the rescues can proceed.
Posted by: GK || 09/02/2005 4:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Shoot them, I don't care if the shooters are priests, shoot them if they try and get in the way of rescue efforts.
Posted by: Charles || 09/02/2005 8:47 Comments || Top||

#4  ..shoot them if they try and get in the way of rescue efforts.

I probably would.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/02/2005 9:50 Comments || Top||

#5  It’s all Bush’s master plan!
First steal an election and become President. Then give tax breaks to the rich and create a huge underclass. Snub the NAACP conventions to create confusion for an entire segment of the population. Preach abstinence only to insure that disenfranchised segment grows. Orchestrate the 9/11 attacks. Create the Homeland Security Department and in fold FEMA into it. Sit silent on the Assault Weapons debate and flood the populace with the most lethal weaponry. Create a war overseas to send over the National Guard. Make sure the war is on Muslim lands to insure Allah’s entire wrath. Install a corrupt state government that will gut money from the environmental funds thus eliminating the wetlands and eroding the entire delta region. Divert money from the Army Corp. of Engineers so a mega-levy system can’t be built around New Orleans. By previously refusing to sign the Kyoto Treaty, the earth’s climate was forever altered. Global warming will undoubtedly ensue causing an unprecedented flurry of hurricanes off the Gulf coast. Have Pat Robertson pray to have the storm a Category five and make sure it hits the largest city built under sea level. Sit idle for a day so FEMA breaks down and desperation grows to a fever pitch. Make sure the local police are corrupt to allow for looting and other unthinkable crimes. Send in the government controlled media to flame national outrage. Finally stage rescue and relief operations with the knowledge that some of the thugs will open fire on the authorities. The stage is now set to declare Martial Law. Now that the precedent has been established simply create disasters in other regions of the country until there is total control.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 09/02/2005 10:59 Comments || Top||

#6  DepotGuy, you forgot the part about giving Haliburton the contract to rebuid New Orleans.
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 11:39 Comments || Top||

#7  The Zionist (tm) Hurricane Ray worked as planned: Poor killed; democrats killed. Steve: Please try to avoid mentioning the Halliburton contract, we plan to use a subsidiary so as to escape notice. I am so glad by my puppet Bush has been so cooperative!
Posted by: D. Cheney || 09/02/2005 18:05 Comments || Top||

#8  A few years back when we were evacuated because of the fires SW of Denver, while we were gone it was suggested that we leave our lights on and houses unlocked for the firefighters to have easy access and to see our homes from the roads since we lived so remote. We left our home lit up like a Christmas tree and unlocked, only to come home and find 2 rifles missing. Thankfully the fire line didn't get too close but to think that folks were in our home and stole firearms. To know that your guns are in the hands of thieves that may use them for crime is an awful feeling. The area was being patrolled, but it was a very large area and the officers had alot on their plate. It's terrible that instead of being able to focus on the task at hand of rescue, they need to be policemen too.
I know that I can't compare our fire that seemed so very tragic at the time to the horrors that are occuring down in New Orleans, but we banded together and helped each other. We helped our neighbors with their horses to get out, and others helped with dogs. With the evacuation point being the local high school even the kids helped by walking dogs and helping get the elderly to doctors etc. It's hard to fathom how these folks are feeling, I think that they are just feeling so very desperate, not as an excuse but as an explaination.
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 23:24 Comments || Top||

Officials struggling to reverse growing sense of anarchy
National Guard troops moved in force into this storm-ravaged city today as state and local officials struggled to reverse a growing sense of anarchy sparked by reports of armed looters, bodies floating untended in stagnant floodwaters, and food and water supplies dwindling for thousands of trapped and desperate residents.

Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco of Louisiana said that the death toll from Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath would be in the "thousands," based on reports that she was receiving from officials throughout the state, The Associated Press said.

In a televised news briefing, she said that 12,000 National Guard troops were to arrive in the area in the next several days, as well as police officers and sheriff's deputies from as far away as Michigan.

They will be given arrest and other law enforcement powers, she said, and "looting and other lawlessness will not be tolerated." She also said had instructed them to "strictly enforce Louisiana laws and to use necessary force."

The governor said she had requested 40,000 National Guard troops, "but if we hit the 40,000 mark and still feel like we need more, we will get them," she said.

With grim televised scenes showing corpses in the streets and at the city's teeming convention center and groups of people throughout the area still waiting desperately for the most basic assistance, Mayor C. Ray Nagin issued a dire cry for help.

"This is a desperate S.O.S.," he said. "Right now, we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses. We need buses. Currently, the convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we are running out of supplies for 15 to 20,000 people."

Joseph W. Matthews, a deputy fire chief who is the director of the Office of Emergency Preparedness for the city of New Orleans, described harrowing conditions both inside and outside the city's Superdome and its convention center, facilities that had been intended to shelter victims of the storm and floods but where many people were finding themselves again victimized - by a lack of provisions, by an absence of basic services and by violence.

"Some people there have not eaten or drunk water for three or four days, which is inexcusable," Mr. Matthews said. "We need additional troops, food, water. And we need personnel, law enforcement. This has turned into a situation where the city is being run by the thugs."

The police superintendent, Eddie Compass, estimated that perhaps 100 armed people were inside the convention center and that he was considering a plan to restore order there with a force of perhaps 500 police officers and national guardsmen.

Mr. Compass said that some stranded tourists who had sought shelter at the convention center instead found trouble. "The tourists are walking around there and as soon as these individuals see them, they're being preyed upon," he said.

Numerous people in distress complained to journalists that they felt abandoned by a government that seemed to manage to deliver timely supplies to disaster victims overseas but that somehow was unable to do the same in a major American city.

At the White House, President Bush, who has come under attack by some Democrats who accuse him of not acting quickly enough to address the situation, said he was asking former Presidents George Bush and Bill Clinton to head a relief effort, as they did several months ago for the Asian tsunami.

"We're dealing with one of the largest relief efforts in our nation's history, and the federal government's got an important role to play," President Bush said. "Our first priority, of course, is to save lives."

Congress is expected to expedite a $10 billion aid package, but House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, Republican of Illinois, sparked a small furor when he seemed to suggest in an interview with The Daily Herald of Arlington, Ill., that rebuilding New Orleans might be too daunting a task. A spokesman later said that the speaker had not meant that the city should be abandoned or relocated.

Crowds of people who had sought shelter at the Superdome sports facility began leaving this morning by bus, purloined vehicles or any other way they could find, and overwhelmed rescue officials said that they were working to find more shelters to receive them, in any state or any city that would provide them. Thousands of more waited for the opportunity to follow.

This morning, the evacuation of the Superdome was briefly interrupted when what sounded like a gunshot rang out from the crowd, a spokesman for the Louisiana National Guard said. Cautioning that the report was unconfirmed, Lt. Col. Pete Schneider of Louisiana National Guard said that nothing had hit the supposed target, a Chinook helicopter that was aiding in the evacuation at the time, and that no one had been reported injured.

"It did not shut down the process," he said of the report of gunfire.

In Houston, about 3,000 evacuees from New Orleans arrived at the Astrodome this morning, including 14 people who came in a catering truck that they admitted they had stolen for the journey. The group of 14 had been on the road for 10 hours, said Kentrell Diaz, 21, one of those in the truck. They were told that they could get breakfast inside, but that they would not be allowed to stay there.

Mr. Diaz said that he and other members of his traveling party had lived in New Orleans East and had swum to safety after floodwaters reached the second floor of their apartment building.

Another member of the bread truck party, Gloria Collins, 26, clutched her 6-month old son, Nakee Collins. She acknowledged that the truck she arrived on had been stolen.

"The police stopped us and said, 'I know it's not yours,' but he let us go," she said. "There were people shooting to protect their own boats. It's a survival thing."

Gloria Roemer, a spokeswoman for Judge Robert Eckels, the director of Harris County's office of homeland security in Texas, said that while the original admission policy had been to accept only those people leaving the Superdome in New Orleans, the Red Cross, which is directing the effort at the Astrodome, had now decided to accept any storm refugee. While the relocation process began in an orderly manner, it soon devolved into something else as thousands of hungry and frustrated refugees, with no clear idea of what their future held, began to arrive.

Refugees clamored for clean T-shirts as they were handed out, mobbing volunteers from the American Red Cross, which is running the facility. Rumors of showers for everyone in the dome proved to be premature. Restrooms overflowed with feces on the ground floor; refugees lined up to use telephones with the hope of finding missing loved ones in New Orleans.

Some of those who arrived began pasting Post-It notes on walls in hope of finding missing relatives; others stood holding signs with names of people they were seeking. Others appeared too shell-shocked to begin a search for loved ones.

Nelkita Sims, 27, a 911 operator for the New Orleans Police Department, arrived in Houston with seven adult family members and three children, including her 1-year-old daughter, Tkai. She described a surreal flight from her workplace, first to two abandoned hotels, a Hilton and a Sheraton, where she reunited with her family, then to Fort Polk in Louisiana, where they were turned away by military officials, then finally to Houston.

"There's no place for 911 in New Orleans anymore, think about that," Ms. Sims said. "I saw the looting in front of my eyes. I think my future is here now."

Another Astrodome arrival, Joe Joseph, 38, talked about the job in a wire mesh factory and the pickup truck he had acquired just two months before the storm struck.

"I have no idea where to go from here; yesterday I felt flush, today I got nothing," he said. "Where am I going to get a job like that again?"

Elsewhere in Houston, refugees turned away at the Astrodome packed into hotels and church shelters. At one shelter run by St. Peter Claver Church in the Settgest neighborhood, more than 300 people squeezed into one room.

About 18 children in the group were bused to local schools on Thursday morning.

"The hurricane did what terrorists couldn't do," said Rawlin B. Enette, the priest at the church. "It destroyed an American city."

In New Orleans, those who did not make it to the Superdome tried to find shelter in any structure that was still standing. Outside, looters brazenly ripped open gates and ransacked stores for food, clothing, television sets, computers, jewelry and guns, often in full view of helpless law-enforcement officials. Dozens of carjackings, apparently by survivors desperate to escape, were reported, as were a number of shootings.

People left without a shelter didn't know whether it was safer in the streets or in abandoned buildings.

Daryl Hubbard, one of nine people who took refuge in the BellSouth building in New Orleans on Sunday, spoke to MSNBC by telephone this morning.

"We don't know which way to leave if we tried to," he said. "We don't know if we're walking into a worse situation than we're in now."

Mr. Hubbard said there was a man in the building with asthma who was complaining about his chest tightening up. Mr. Hubbard's wife takes at least three or four different types of medication daily, which was taken by mistake on Wednesday by Coast Guard officials when they took two elderly people out of the building.

"They told us they were coming back and no one's been back," he said. "What we really need is to get out. Red Cross dropped water and stuff. We're getting to the end of that, we only have a few bottle left with a couple of things of food."
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New Orleans Flood protection long an issue of dispute
The 17th Street levee that gave way and led to the flooding of New Orleans was part of an intricate, aging system of barriers and pumps that was so chronically underfinanced that senior regional officials of the Army Corps of Engineers complained about it publicly for years.

Often leading the chorus was Alfred C. Naomi, a senior project manager for the corps and a 30-year veteran of efforts to waterproof a city built on slowly sinking mud, surrounded by water and periodically a target of great storms.

Mr. Naomi grew particularly frustrated this year as the Gulf Coast braced for what forecasters said would be an intense hurricane season and a nearly simultaneous $71 million cut was announced in the New Orleans district budget to guard against such storms.

He called the cut drastic in an article in New Orleans CityBusiness.

In an interview last night, Mr. Naomi said the cuts had made it impossible to complete contracts for vital upgrades that were part of the long-term plan to renovate the system.

This week, amid news of the widening breach in the 17th Street Canal, he realized that the decadeslong string of near misses had ended.

"A breach under these conditions was ultimately not surprising," he said last night. "I had hoped that we had overdesigned it to a point that it would not fail. But you can overdesign only so much, and then a failure has to come."

No one expected that weak spot to be on a canal that, if anything, had received more attention and shoring up than many other spots in the region. It did not have broad berms, but it did have strong concrete walls.

Shea Penland, director of the Pontchartrain Institute for Environmental Studies at the University of New Orleans, said that was particularly surprising because the break was "along a section that was just upgraded."

"It did not have an earthen levee," Dr. Penland said. "It had a vertical concrete wall several feel thick."

Now the corps is scrambling. After failing to close a 300-foot break in the canal through which most of the floodwater entered the city, federal engineers decided last night to take the battle with Lake Pontchartrain to the lakefront.

Starting today, they will prepare to drive corrugated vertical steel plates, called sheet pile, into the mud near where the narrow canal meets the lake, sealing it off so that the big breach farther in can be more methodically attacked, Mr. Naomi said.

The decision was made after a day of fruitless efforts to figure how to drop concrete highway barriers or huge sandbags into the torrent. For the most part, the water between the lake and the filled bowl of the city leveled off as of last night, officials said.

Weaknesses in the levee system were foreshadowed in a report in May on the hurricane protection plan for the region and the budget gap.

The district headquarters said, "The current funding shortfalls in fiscal year 2005 and fiscal year 2006 will prevent the Corps from addressing these pressing needs."

They also meant that there was far too little money to study thoroughly an upgrade of the protections from the existing standard, enough to hold back a hurricane at Category 3 on the five-step intensity scale, to a level to withstand floods and winds from a Category 5 storm.

Hurricane Katrina was on the high end of Category 4 and, despite the extreme flooding, is still seen by many hurricane experts as a near miss for New Orleans.

Since 2001, the Louisiana Congressional delegation had pushed for far more money for storm protection than the Bush administration has accepted. Now, Mr. Naomi said, all the quibbling over the storm budget, or even over full Category 5 protection, which would cost several billion dollars, seemed tragically absurd.

"It would take $2.5 billion to build a Category 5 protection system, and we're talking about tens of billions in losses, all that lost productivity, and so many lost lives and injuries and personal trauma you'll never get over," Mr. Naomi said. "People will be scarred for life by this event."

He said there were still no clear hints why the main breach in the flood barriers occurred along the 17th Street Canal, normally a conduit for vast streams of water pumped out of the perpetually waterlogged city each day and which did not take the main force of the waves roiling the lake. He said that a low spot marked on survey charts of the levees near the spot that ruptured was unrelated and that the depression was where a new bridge crossed the narrow canal near the lakefront.

Some experts studying flood prevention with the corps and other agencies speculated that any dip in the retaining levee or walls there might have allowed water to slop over and start the collapse.

Mr. Naomi said that as the power of the hurricane grew clear over the weekend, he and others who had worked to make the system as strong as it could be, given the design limits, could only hope that it would hold.

But, he said, he knew that the chances were high that the rising waters and crashing waves would find a fatal weak spot in the 350 miles of levees and walls.

As often occurs after a storm, Lake Pontchartrain is sloshing back and forth, sending pulses of water into the city and potentially complicating repairs, Dr. Penland said.

"It's like you have a bowl of water and you shake it, and it sloshes back and forth," he said, describing a phenomenon that geologists call a seiche (pronounced sesh). "Mississippi Sound and Pontchartrain are real prone to seiches when big storms come through. We are seeing the slosh. Water is being flushed through the gaps in the levees."

He said scientists at the United States Geological Survey estimated that the sloshing would gradually diminish in a few days.

Until then, the city will be subject not just to normal variation in the lake, where water levels change about a foot between high and low tide, but also to the variations of the seiche. "You have not just the one-foot tide, you probably have three to four feet of water," Dr. Penland said. "Once we get to an ordinary tidal regime, when it plays out, that will be our opportunity to close those breaks in the levees and start pumping."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 09/02/2005 01:19 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [789 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Excuse me,but from what I am reading,the breach occurred in an area where no breach was expected and that had already been upgraded. Does not speak well of the competence,planning,or even a basic understanding of the problem by the Corps of Engineers.
Posted by: Stephen || 09/02/2005 1:30 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the 'tens of billions cost' estimates are not even in the ballpark. The biggest recent urban natural disaster, the Kobe earthquake, cost $120 billion for reconstruction (150,000 homes destroyed). New Orleans/Katrina seems about twice as big in terms of damage. Double the reconstruction costs to factor in lost output and the cost will be in the region of a half a trillion dollars. That money will (and has to) come from somewhere else. By way of comparison the US annual GDP is 12 trillion. So Katrina will cost about 4% of US annual GDP.
Posted by: phil_b || 09/02/2005 2:36 Comments || Top||

#3  New Orleans (Nawlins) needs to go. People were warned this time, but next time if the levies are blown over night by terrorists, the city of half million would be under water by daylight.

I have been to the Mardi Gras, Bourbon Street and sat at the Port of New Orleans and watched the big ships from around the world go by on the way up the mighty Mississippi through the Big Easy.

Bourbon Street was a little grundgy during the day but at night when all the cool street lights came on, and the musicians by the droves on every block played the blues and the jazz in a way that I have never heard before, I knew Bourbon Street was a magical place.

But it is now a part of America that needs to go into the mist of America's glorious history.

And when New Orleans is officially sent under the grande ol' Mississippi, I want America to let the New Orleans have one of those funeral sessions they are famous for having as a send off, with thousands of those jazz musicians in the procession officialy saying a tear full good bye, to another golden memory of America.

Thanks for the memories Nawlins, I'll never forget you.
Posted by: RG || 09/02/2005 2:41 Comments || Top||

#4  Mr. Naomi grew particularly frustrated this year as the Gulf Coast braced for what forecasters said would be an intense hurricane season and a nearly simultaneous $71 million cut was announced in the New Orleans district budget to guard against such storms
My surprise meter blew up this morning on they way to work. NPR did a story on this very thing and it turns out the 71 million dollar cut was for projects that had nothing to do with flood control or trying to stop the effects of a hurricane. They also had the former head of the Corps of Engineers on who was appointed by Bush and resigned over budget concerns. He said the same thing and also reiterated that the levy that failed was designed and built long ago and was thought to be strong enough. He said the Country can't lay the blame for this on the current administration as the decisions that led to this were made in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Think we'll hear this same thing on ABC, CBS, CNN, or NBC?
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 09/02/2005 7:31 Comments || Top||

#5  Stephan's comment was.."Does not speak well of the competence, planning, or even a basic understanding of the problem by the Corps of Engineers.

Sadly, even after two millenia using it, we don't really have a perfect handle on the way concrete responds to stress placed on it by a body of water over a long time and under dynamic conditions. There are several components to this problem:

1. Water dissolves cement, little by little, hour by hour, day by day, year by year. The resistance to this process depends, on, among other things, how long the concrete cured before it was placed and the cumulative stress.

2. Concrete shrinks over time. This makes cracks. Water, especially when it is constant stress against the concrete, gets in cracks. It weakens the concrete. This makes more cracks. There are fixes to this (e.g. epoxy coating of the surface of the concrete) but the technology is still evolving.
Posted by: mhw || 09/02/2005 8:31 Comments || Top||

#6  Sorry RB, but New Orleans is not just Mardi Gras, Bourbon Street, and the French Quarter. Its the largest US port for trade. Time to read up beyond the tourist flyers and understand that NO is why Jefferson bought Louisiana. It is a strategic economic center for which there is no other viable alternative. Read up on the post futher down on New Orleans: A Geopolitical Prize.

This is the price of cost-effectiveness. The funding required before to make the infrastructure more effective against these events was never put on the table by both parties because they could dance with the federal treasury for decades upon decades rather than do the dirty 'unrewarding' work. All they've done is simply shift the burden to another generation [sort of like Social Security]. Now its time to pay the piper and we're going to find out how really expensive it was not to put the money into prevention in the first place. Hundreds of years and we still ignor the warning - an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. At least I hope all the NIMBY and environmental wacko obstructions were blown away by Katrina as well.
Posted by: Thinenter Phineque8219 || 09/02/2005 9:35 Comments || Top||

#7  ..a city built on slowly sinking mud, surrounded by water and periodically a target of great storms.

In other words, a losing battle.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/02/2005 9:54 Comments || Top||

#8  In other words, a losing battle.

No, just a big one. If the Dutch can reclaim and protect the Netherlands (a lot of which is also below sea level) from the storms of the North Sea, we can rebuild and protect New Orleans. Sure, some areas may have to be relocated, but not the whole city.

Build a bigger levee system. Have multiple layers, divide city into zones so if one levee fails, you don't loose the whole thing. Ensure proper maintenance is performed on levees and pumps. Ensure pumpng ststions can continue to operate if city power fails.

Think big. Why not a series of sea gates protecting the mouth of Lake Pontchartrain where it joins the Gulf. The Dutch do it on the North Sea, the British have one across the mouth of the Thames protecting London. Keep the storm surge out of Pontchartrain.

I'm really sick of all the whining and hand ringing. We need to roll up our sleaves and get to work. And if the enviro weenies try to get in the way, plant them in the f*%king levee!
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 14:10 Comments || Top||

#9  Teddy Kennedy would make an excellent flood wall...
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/02/2005 14:28 Comments || Top||

#10  All across the country we have let infrastructure continue to age and fall into disrepair. We all want decent roads/bridges/airports etc but few of us want to pay the taxes required to maintain them (me included). Plus how many times have we heard the NIMBY cry of those who oppose new power plants (built with private money), new refineries (built with private money) or other projects simply because they don't want to be inconvienenced (the proposed wind turbines in Nantucket Sound that might of ruined Senator Otis's* view come to mind). True the Congress just passed a 200+B$ transportaion bill but the planning process and time required to acomplish the goals set out will be years.

* no disrespect intended towards Mayberry's town drunk
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 09/02/2005 14:30 Comments || Top||

#11  "When the Levee Breaks"
1929, Memphis Minnie McCoy

The problem's been around a while, yeah...
Posted by: mojo || 09/02/2005 14:33 Comments || Top||

#12  Part of the issue is that NO needs to be higher. Well there is going to be a massive amount of deterus from this storm, starting with lots and lots of houses and buildings in NO itself. All of that stuff should be put into NO to serve as a new base upon which to rebuild the city. I agree that the correct system of dikes and storm gates should alleviate the worst another storm might throw at the town.
Posted by: remoteman || 09/02/2005 14:53 Comments || Top||

#13  The problem is that bedrock in the NO area is 70-100 ft. down, under a nasty mass of dirt, clay, swamp ooze, and other organic detritus. The only 'safe' ground is on the natural levees of the river. The rest is below sea level in some cases, and below river level in most.
Posted by: mojo || 09/02/2005 15:48 Comments || Top||

#14  Well, since several proposed upgrades were stopped in 1977 by environmental lawsuits, I imagine any attempt to build a huge seawall would be similarly stopped in its tracks.

Here's the PDF file
Posted by: Jackal || 09/02/2005 22:32 Comments || Top||

Scene in New Orleans resembles Haiti
Rotting bodies littered the flooded streets of New Orleans on Thursday and mounting violence threatened to turn into all-out anarchy as thousands of survivors of Hurricane Katrina pleaded to be evacuated, or even just fed. The historic jazz city has fallen prey to armed looters since Katrina tore through and it now more closely resembles Haiti or another Third World trouble spot in a refugee crisis than one of America's most popular vacation centers.

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco warned rioters and looters late on Thursday that National Guard troops were under her orders to "shoot and kill" if needed to restore order. "These troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will."

Several corpses lay in nearby streets. The body of one elderly woman was simply abandoned in her wheelchair, covered with just a blanket. Officials feared thousands of people were killed but they could still only guess at the death toll.

With much of New Orleans flooded and electricity cut off, hospitals struggled to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying for lack of oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids. One effort to transfer patients was frustrated when a sniper opened fire on doctors and National Guard troops at the Charity Hospital and they had to retreat back into the building.

At a city airport, scores of people, many of them seriously ill, waited for flights out to shelter and proper medical care before more of them perish. Experts warned of another possible health catastrophe in coming days as diseases flourish in filthy, contaminated floodwaters on streets covered in garbage and human feces.

Sporadic gunfire hampered chaotic and widely criticized rescue efforts throughout Thursday. Residents complained police and troops had failed to tackle the looting and shootings or help in the rescue effort. "We found this one old lady who was sick. We tried to pick her up but the police just drove by. They won't even help sick old ladies," said one man who identified himself as Tracy.

Military reinforcements descended and armored personnel carriers patrolled Canal Street, which borders New Orleans' famous French Quarter district of bars and clubs. Search crews were in a desperate race to pluck stranded residents from their homes, some clinging to the roof or any spot they could find above the water line. Survivors were still being pulled out, but the corpses were left behind.

Senior Pentagon officials said the National Guard force on the storm-ravaged Gulf coast would be raised to 30,000, and 3,000 regular Army soldiers may also be sent in to tackle armed gangs that have looted stores across New Orleans. "We will not tolerate lawlessness, or violence, or interference with the evacuation," Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff said. The boost would bring to nearly 50,000 the number of part-time Guard and active-duty military personnel in the biggest domestic relief and security effort in U.S. history.

On the ground, however, there was still no sign the mayhem was being brought under control, and residents feared further violence and bloodshed once darkness fell. Thousands waited hours or waded through floodwaters to seek rides out of New Orleans. Buses began shipping survivors from the Superdome 350 miles west to another stadium, the Astrodome in Houston, although not as quickly as hoped.

A million people fled the New Orleans area before Katrina hit but tens of thousands of others were unable to get out or could not afford to make the journey.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 09/02/2005 00:33 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1031 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They have M-16s and are locked and loaded

"loaded and locked" was the original but nobody says that anymore after John Wayne reversed the order.

Back to the point...at this point, why bother stopping the looting? Most of the stuff will go to the garbage during clean up anyway. Concentrate on protection for the rescuers.
Posted by: Rafael || 09/02/2005 0:48 Comments || Top||

#2  These troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will."

Gads, she's incompetent...
Posted by: Pappy || 09/02/2005 0:49 Comments || Top||

#3  One effort to transfer patients was frustrated when a sniper opened fire on doctors and National Guard troops at the Charity Hospital and they had to retreat back into the building.

This guy should be hunted down and made an example of in the most horrifying of ways. Good practice for Navy SEALs. Get them in there.
Posted by: Rafael || 09/02/2005 0:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Sporadic gunfire hampered chaotic and widely criticized rescue efforts.

Someone took the time to actually criticize rescue efforts? From the video that I've seen, they seemed pretty good at it. Can't blame them for retreating when confronted with gunfire though.

Posted by: Rafael || 09/02/2005 0:59 Comments || Top||

#5  NOPD is incompetent at best it looks like, and the National Guard don't want to end up shooting they're own family who could be in there. You need to bring in out-of-state Guard and have them systematically sweep up and down the city looking for trouble. Word gets around quick about looting sites, so a couple of hoodlums getting shot in the head should spread fast too.
Posted by: Charles || 09/02/2005 1:45 Comments || Top||

#6  Article: Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco warned rioters and looters late on Thursday that National Guard troops were under her orders to "shoot and kill" if needed to restore order.

"These troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will."

Nowhere in the governor's statement did she say she had authorized the troops to shoot looters. The reporter infers that she gave the order. But Blanco herself appears not to have said that she has given this authority. What this means is that she is hoping that the soldiers will act on their own authority, giving her an out, and getting themselves in trouble, for unauthorized shootings. Blanco is some piece of work.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/02/2005 3:26 Comments || Top||

#7  ..The first troops in at least had specific orders NOT to fire, even though the terror was well underway. God willing, that will lead to a few impeachments afterwards.

Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 09/02/2005 6:55 Comments || Top||

#8  Ah, the evil of PC raises its ugly head even here. Most--the vast majority--of NOLA looters are black. If the National Guard/NOLA police shot every looter they saw, you'd soon have some bastard like Jesse the Jack or Rev. Al claiming it was all racially motivated and "the Man was putting the 'Final Solution' on the poor blacks of NOLA."

The reality is that blacks commit a vastly disproportionate amount of violent crime relative to their numbers in this country. The Federal crime statistics show it year after year. NOLA was a badly crime-ridden city before, with most of its crime committed by blacks on other blacks. The Katrina-caused chaos has only exacerbated an already existing trend and brought it out into the open. For political reasons neither Blanco nor Nagin wants to admit that and neither wants to face the liberal opprobrium that would follow a hard shoot-to-kill-on-sight order to stop looting. Consequently, the looting will continue with extremely pernicious effects both in NOLA and wherever the next hurricane hits.

Bet on it, you're very shortly going to be hard-pressed to find anyplace that is willing to take this last group of people left in NOLA. It won't take long for word to spread about what is happening elsewhere in places that accepted Superdome and Convention Center refugees. No city administration wants a bunch of potentially violent, crime-prone poor blacks coming to their town. Many of these people are going to be in "temporary" shelters for years to come; no one is going to want the responsibility for managing and funding that problem.
Posted by: mac || 09/02/2005 7:00 Comments || Top||

#9  Many of these people are going to be in "temporary" shelters for years to come...

Why does that remind me of the UN program for the Paleos in the West Bank and Gaza?

Maybe time for harsh reality to set in. Tell those who've lost everything [no insurance, no resources] that they have nothing to go back to now anyway. Then resettle small groups in medium to large communities through out the US. Its either that, or when your time runs out, kick them out of the shelter. I think most will opt for relocation.
Posted by: Thinenter Phineque8219 || 09/02/2005 9:25 Comments || Top||

#10  mac: The reality is that blacks commit a vastly disproportionate amount of violent crime relative to their numbers in this country. The Federal crime statistics show it year after year. NOLA was a badly crime-ridden city before, with most of its crime committed by blacks on other blacks. The Katrina-caused chaos has only exacerbated an already existing trend and brought it out into the open. For political reasons neither Blanco nor Nagin wants to admit that and neither wants to face the liberal opprobrium that would follow a hard shoot-to-kill-on-sight order to stop looting. Consequently, the looting will continue with extremely pernicious effects both in NOLA and wherever the next hurricane hits.

Correcto. New Orleans has 300 cops per 100,000 population, whereas NYC has 500 cops per 100,000 population. But NO's population is 67% black, whereas NYC's is only 20% black. A minority of blacks males are criminals. (I don't say a tiny minority because liberals, citing this number as an example of society's (i.e., the white man's) inhumanity to the black man, say that 1/3 of black men have been through the criminal justice system). But if we assume - from the numbers above - that black males are 33,000 per 100,000 of NO's population, you have 11,000 criminals per 100,000 of its population. If we assume - again from the preceding numbers - that black males are 10,000 per 100,000 of NYC's population, we have have 3,333 criminals per 100,000 of its population. Thus, NO has 300 cops per 100,000 people to deal with 11,000 black criminals per 100,000 people, whereas NYC has 500 cops per 100,000 cops to deal with 3,333 black criminals per 100,000 people. Bottom line - each NO cop has to deal with 37 black criminals, whereas each NYC cop has to deal with only 7 black criminals.

Bottom line - NYC's coverage is almost 6 times NO's. What NO needs is either more cops or really draconian penalties that are enforced. But when 11% of the electorate is composed of criminals, how are you going to either get additional funding for cops or political support for the stiffening of penalties for criminals?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/02/2005 10:16 Comments || Top||

#11  Whomever is "leading" this effort for FEMA should be fired TODAY! They need Chuck Horner to come in and take charge of the logistics. Bottom line is they need a Doer and not a planner.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/02/2005 10:17 Comments || Top||

#12  Did they heli-drop some PBR's in there? Besides getting around quickly, a couple of Ma Deuces can give you a very nice...edge in an urban combat environment.
Posted by: mojo || 09/02/2005 10:28 Comments || Top||

#13  So what is Kruilla doing these days? Put him in charge - he'll be better then any of the asswhipes in there now.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/02/2005 11:01 Comments || Top||

#14  Header: Scene in New Orleans resembles Haiti

Some day, they might get to saying this - scene in Haiti resembles New Orleans.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/02/2005 11:21 Comments || Top||

#15  Where's Rudy?

Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/02/2005 11:48 Comments || Top||

#16  The scene WOULD resemble Haiti if there weren't a bunch of 400 pound poor folks shambling around.

As an American, I have to say, that we have the fattest poor folks in the world.
Posted by: Leigh || 09/02/2005 12:42 Comments || Top||

#17  But ZF, in your analysis you forgot all the New Orleans COPS that are criminals. That should lower the ratio of cops to criminals significantly. : )
Posted by: ex-lib || 09/02/2005 13:03 Comments || Top||

#18  Bet on it, you're very shortly going to be hard-pressed to find anyplace that is willing to take this last group of people left in NOLA. It won't take long for word to spread about what is happening elsewhere in places that accepted Superdome and Convention Center refugees. No city administration wants a bunch of potentially violent, crime-prone poor blacks coming to their town. Many of these people are going to be in "temporary" shelters for years to come; no one is going to want the responsibility for managing and funding that problem.

Could we be seeing the birth of the American Palastinians here
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 09/02/2005 14:52 Comments || Top||

#19  CrazyFool---LTC Kurilla is recovering from his gunshot wounds from Mosul.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 09/02/2005 22:46 Comments || Top||

I've just begun my second Hurricane Season with the SBA-Disaster Assistance Office in Ft. Worth. I'm slated to head out next week to one of the remote field offices.

However, I have already spent some time dealing with some of the Disaster "victims". Even my Black coworkers HATE these NO blacks with a passion. One even says that these worthless *NI**ERS* need killing.

We need some old fashioned death squads in this country, and they need to start with the Demos and Libs.

Posted by: Homer || 09/02/2005 22:52 Comments || Top||

Mogadishu New Orleans violence continues to spiral, Iraqi veterans deployed
New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear.

"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in
Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted Thursday.

"I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire."

The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $10 billion recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort
President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history.

New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.

About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.

"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."

Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers — many of whom from flooded areas — turning in their badges.

"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.

A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.

In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. But the bedlam made that difficult.

"This is a desperate SOS," Nagin said in a statement. "Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses."

At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.

An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.

"You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here."

The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.

"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."

Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.

At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..."

"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.

"We've got people dying out here — two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."

Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell — it's every man for himself.'"

"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."

FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.

Speaking on CNN's "Larry King Live,"
Homeland Security Secretary
Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.

At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses.

After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen.

One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested.

Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter.

"If they're just taking us anywhere, just anywhere, I say praise God," said refugee John Phillip. "Nothing could be worse than what we've been through."

By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. National Guard Capt. John Pollard said evacuees from around the city poured into the Superdome and swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.

As he watched a line snaking for blocks through ankle-deep waters, New Orleans' emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the
Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy," he said. He added: "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."

FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but are working overtime to feed people and restore order.

A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings — and not all the crimes were driven by greed.

When some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"

Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.

"I'm a Christian. I feel bad going in there," he said.

Earl Baker carried toothpaste, toothbrushes and deodorant. "Look, I'm only getting necessities," he said. "All of this is personal hygiene. I ain't getting nothing to get drunk or high with."

Several thousand storm victims had arrived in Houston by Thursday night, and they quickly got hot meals, showers and some much-needed rest.

Audree Lee, 37, was thrilled after getting a shower and hearing her teenage daughter's voice on the telephone for the first time since the storm. Lee had relatives take her daughter to Alabama so she would be safe.

"I just cried. She cried. We cried together," Lee said. "She asked me about her dog. They wouldn't let me take her dog with me. ... I know the dog is gone now."

While floodwaters in the city appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches that had opened up in the levee system that protects this below-sea-level city.

Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to Lake Pontchartrain, state Transportation Secretary Johnny Bradberry said. The next step called for using about 250 concrete road barriers to seal the gap.

In Washington, the White House said Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region on Friday and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former
President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims.

The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.

"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this — whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."

Donald Dudley, a 55-year-old New Orleans seafood merchant, complained that when he and other hungry refugees broke into the kitchen of the convention center and tried to prepare food, the National Guard chased them away.

"They pulled guns and told us we had to leave that kitchen or they would blow our damn brains out," he said. "We don't want their help. Give us some vehicles and we'll get ourselves out of here!"
Posted by: Dan Darling || 09/02/2005 00:30 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [291 views] Top|| File under:

#1  These are very desperate times for many victims and I hope they start allowing the rescuers to do their job. I can't imagine how horrible it must be to so many, or how frightening it must be to have so much chaos and violence mixed in.
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 2:48 Comments || Top||

What's Behind the New Orleans Crime? Find Out Here
Source: American Spectator

New Orleans has one of the highest murder rates in the country. By mid-August of this year, 192 murders had been committed in New Orleans, "nearly 10 times the national average," reported the Associated Press. Gunfire is so common in New Orleans -- and criminals so fierce -- that when university researchers conducted an experiment last year in which they had cops fire 700 blank rounds in a neighborhood on a random afternoon "no one called to report the gunfire," reported AP.

New Orleans was ripe for collapse. Its dangerous geography, combined with a dangerous culture, made it susceptible to an unfolding catastrophe. Currents of chaos and lawlessness were running through the city long before this week, and they were bound to come to the surface under the pressure of natural disaster and explode in a scene of looting and mayhem.
Like riotous Los Angeles since the 1960s, New Orleans has been a wasteland of politically correct dysfunction for decades -- public schools so obviously decimated vouchers were proposed this year (and torpedoed by the left), barbaric gangster rap culture no one will confront lest they offend liberal pieties, multiculturalist frauds who empower no one but themselves, and cops neutered by the NAACP and ACLU.

Criminals have ruled New Orleans for some time, convincing many members of the middle class, long before the hurricane, that the city was unlivable. In 1994, New Orleans was the murder capital of America. It had 421 murders that year. Criminologists predicted 300 murders this year, a projection that now looks quite conservative. Criminals dominate their neighborhoods to the point that people don't even call in crimes. The district attorney's office, tacitly admitting that the city's law-abiding citizens live in fear, has taken the "unusual" step of establishing a local witness protection program to encourage the reporting of crime, reports AP. According to the New Orleans Police Foundation, most murderers get off -- only 1 in 4 are convicted -- and 42 percent of cases involving serious crimes since 2002 have been dropped by prosecutors.

Meanwhile, cops, when they can get away with it, have been living out of town. It is far too scary for them and their families. New Orleans Police officers are required to live in the city but many ignore this residency requirement, according to the Times-Picayune. The paper discovered that many top-ranking New Orleands cops lived in the suburbs and that most cops, both black and white, wanted the residency requirement rescinded. For reasons of political correctness -- critics of law enforcement say lifting the residency requirement will mean more white cops eager to brutalize residents of the inner city and fewer black cops understanding of them -- the residency requirement remains, though cops breaking the rule told the Times-Picayune that it seriously hurts recruitment. It also -- this is particularly evident in Los Angeles where cops involved in the Ramparts scandal turned out to be ex-criminals -- distorts recruitment.

If the New Orleans Police Department has appeared feeble during the chaos -- and in some cases complicit in it -- policies like the residency requirement explain the breakdown. (Perhaps another factor that has rendered the NOPD feckless in the face of a rising murder rate is the criticism of its handling of a minority Mardi Gras.) Americans who have seen cops join in the looting ask: Why are police officers behaving like criminals? Well, because PC police departments like the NOPD hire them. Aggressive, let's-just-meet-the-quota-style affirmative action has become the door through which criminals enter the police academy.

More than the physical foundations of New Orleans will need to be rebuilt over the next few years. Its politically correct culture in which pathologies are allowed to fester in the name of "progress" forms much of the debris that must be cleared away if civilization is to return to New Orleans. A city which boasts as one of its businesses memorial "death t-shirts" -- clothing made popular by the frequency of gangland slayings in New Orleans that say things like, "Born a Pimp, Died a Playa" -- was headed for collapse even without a hurricane, and had become, as the exodus of cops illustrates, unlivable.

Conservative black leaders have been mau-maued into silence whenever they tell the truth about this barbarism and call for dramatic reform. But they are the ones who must lead the city now, and the phonies at organizations like the NAACP who despite all their rhetoric haven't done a thing to help the black underclass should step aside. Hurricane Katrina has made vivid the civilizational collapse they have long tried to conceal
Posted by: Captain America || 09/02/2005 00:03 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [341 views] Top|| File under:

#1  got my italics and highlight mixed up...oops
Posted by: Captain America || 09/02/2005 0:10 Comments || Top||

#2  cops neutered by the NAACP and ACLU that have been corrupt for centuries.

I'm no friend of the two above agencies, but the N.O.P.D. is its own worst enemy.
Posted by: gromky || 09/02/2005 2:59 Comments || Top||

#3  This is the very real, very dark side of Carnival. The current New Orleans Mayor, the cops, etc are the logical result of "anything goes" local political attitudes.

Can anyone imagine this kind of crime/rioting happening in a post catastrophe Salt Lake City?
Posted by: Dave || 09/02/2005 6:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Dave,

Absolutely not. Mormons, are, for the most part, extremely law-abiding, helpful to their neighbors, and strong believers and supporters of the Constitution--including the Second Amendment.
Posted by: mac || 09/02/2005 7:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Wasn't Samuel Browning a Mormon?
Posted by: mojo || 09/02/2005 11:08 Comments || Top||

#6  That's John Moses Browning, gun designer, Mormon, and resident of Utah. His family also started the Browning Firearms company.
Posted by: DO || 09/02/2005 11:23 Comments || Top||

#7  Let's not forget the fall-down at the Louisiana and Mississipi state levels and the regional levels. It's the governor that has the control over the state NG. The governor's office could also coordinate a state level effort to get resources into NO and Southern Mississippi. I am sure there is a lot of food, water, and transportation resources in each of these states that could be bought, rented, or commandeered to help out in NO. Walmart has stores, warehouses, and trucks all over the south and is headquartered in Arkansas, I believe. A few phone calls to coordinate or even offer to pay for shipments could have dumped a lot of relief on NO in short order. It may or may not actually be happening, who's to tell with the MSM the way it is today. For people to be saying this is a failure by the Feds, is not apportioning the blame broadly enough.
Posted by: DO || 09/02/2005 11:35 Comments || Top||

#8  DO - right, the governor is in melt down mode.
Posted by: Captain America || 09/02/2005 12:26 Comments || Top||

#9  Caller on the radio this morning (KMPS in Seattle) was talking about the breakdown in law and order in NO and then went on to say thay she and her husband moved from there ~ 2 months ago. She made him quit as an EMT because of the dangerous conditions. As an EMT he went into the homes of Blacks and would be threatened while trying to tend to their loved ones. The point to her story was that civil rights was still a long way from being 100% accepted there by both Blacks and Whites and she saw this anarchy as an extension or the conclusion of this lack of acceptance. Interesting perspective.
Posted by: USN, ret. || 09/02/2005 14:34 Comments || Top||

#10  Sounds like "Old Detroit" in "Robocop"
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 09/02/2005 15:44 Comments || Top||

Video of police looting New Orleans Walmart - the day after Katrina!
See it at the link, this is insane ...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 09/02/2005 00:04 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [313 views] Top|| File under:

#1  See it at the link, this is insane ...
It is insane..nonchalant insanity...They must have trained at the Port of Prince academy.


1500 police force for a city the size of NO?
Maybe the police force is just the biggest gang.
Posted by: Red Dog || 09/02/2005 0:37 Comments || Top||

#2  the acronym NOPD says everything
Posted by: Rafael || 09/02/2005 0:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Saw the Vid - not fully convinced the Police were actually "looting". Other reasons are still possible.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/02/2005 2:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Sigh.
Posted by: .com || 09/02/2005 2:32 Comments || Top||

#5  If you been to NO more than once and paid attention and left the "french quarter" you know the NOPD officers were looting.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 09/02/2005 2:48 Comments || Top||

#6  NOPD has been known for a long time as one of the most corrupt forces in the US. For a very long time, as long as the tourists could spend their money in the Frech Quarter without getting mugged, no one cared. Rest of the city was a free-fire zone. I used to be stationed at Keesler and we got N.O. tv stations on our cable system. Very scary place.
Posted by: Steve || 09/02/2005 8:53 Comments || Top||

#7  Does anyone remember the NO policewoman who was sentenced to death for murdering her partner? He was moonlighting as a guard for a local restaurant. She was part of a gang that robbed it.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 09/02/2005 12:12 Comments || Top||

#8  Yeah, I remember it. A real sweetheart...

Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2005 12:47 Comments || Top||

New Orleans evacuation slows as shooting, chaos erupt
Posted by: Fred || 09/02/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [461 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yup - the governor prepares to demand aid while doing nothing to take control of the situation. It's understandable, I suppose - shooting her voter base (looters and corrupt cops) would seriously diminish her chances for re-election.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/02/2005 0:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Some people stayed behind to protect their property. Others stayed behind to loot unattended property. And some cops stayed around to supervise the looting. You gotta love New Orleans (cue to Dire Straits song, which is a lot more elegant than the actual city itself).
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/02/2005 1:52 Comments || Top||

#3  attackers armed with axes and steel pipes
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 3:34 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm surprised that there aren't continual buses getting the folks out, along with more helocopters being used. With the Astrodome full another place to house them is needed too. The thought of these guys dying because of the time involved without water, food needed supplies of medicine etc. well after the hurricane hit is so very tragic.
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 22:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Mayor Ray Nagin's inaction is criminal.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 09/02/2005 22:53 Comments || Top||

#6  Absolutely agree, SPo'D. The Mayor, Gov, and the Army Corpse of Engrs (h/t to AP, lol) are the primary fuckups, culpable in the here and now for sitting on their hands instead of making shit happen. They are supported by the usual politics of greed over the last several decades - the core problem is pork-barrel BS vs. the public good.

The Mayor has one gig down pat: Attack and Lay Blame First - before they do it to you. I saw an interview with him and he's a slimy little fuck. Perfect for the Big Easy Graft Machine and Titty Bar.
Posted by: .com || 09/02/2005 23:17 Comments || Top||

#7  He is going to have a hard time explaining all those school buses sitting in a lake that could have been used to haul the poor and elderly away to dry ground. He is also going to have to explain how after Bush called him and told him he should declare a manditory evacuation he waited until 12 hours before the storm hit to do so.

The MSM has already decided "It's Bushes fault!" go read it. "It a proven fact, Jessie Jakson said so!"
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 09/02/2005 23:27 Comments || Top||

#8  I hope you're right... but how often does the MSM stand the truth on its head, just to get Bush? I doubt he'll ever face the heat he deserves. Same for the weasel Gov.
Posted by: .com || 09/02/2005 23:38 Comments || Top||

#9  Somebody's already pointed out that Nagin's no Giuliani. I think more people might be commenting on that in days to come...
Posted by: Fred || 09/02/2005 23:39 Comments || Top||

#10  He is also going to have to explain how after Bush called him and told him he should declare a manditory evacuation he waited until 12 hours before the storm hit to do so.

Can't blame the Mayor Ray, why would he want the feds snooppen around while his crony's were taping Bank Vaults, and other treasures?
Posted by: Red Dog || 09/02/2005 23:50 Comments || Top||

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ACLU: Let Freedom Reign -- For Released Sex Offenders
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The American Civil Liberties Union of Washington has challenged a new Issaquah ordinance that tightly restricts where sex offenders may live, calling it inconsistent with state law and unlikely to improve public safety. The national civil-rights advocacy group filed suit in King County Superior Court yesterday on behalf of Level 3 sex offender Kyle Lewis, 28, and his mother, Mary Lou Lewis. The ordinance, the suit claims, wrongfully imposes additional punishment on individuals who already have been punished under state law. "Laws that make it virtually impossible for sex offenders to find housing do not make us safer. Society is not safer if former offenders live on the street," ACLU of Washington executive director Kathleen Taylor said in a news release.

The ordinance is the first of its kind in Washington, and it is being studied by other municipalities. It goes further than a new state law that restricts offenders convicted of specific sex crimes against children — and who are still under supervision of the state Department of Corrections — from living within 880 feet of school grounds. That, along with a grievance from Kyle Lewis, prompted the ACLU to act, said spokesman Doug Honig. "It's possible that other cities would start passing laws like this, and we think clearly this is an area that the state controls, in terms of setting punishments for sex offenders," Honig said.

The group wants an injunction that would bar enforcement of the ordinance, which was to take effect today. The ordinance restricts Level 2 and Level 3 sex offenders — considered to have a moderate and high risk, respectively, of reoffending — from living within 1,000 feet of schools and day-care facilities. The City Council adopted it Aug. 15, after residents protested the move of Lewis and Level 2 sex offender John Weber into Lewis' mother's home in the Squak Mountain neighborhood in June.
Posted by: Captain America || 09/02/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [298 views] Top|| File under:

#1  un f***ing believable. It's not all about the kids though after all.
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 3:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Our county wanted to put a 100 bed facility for teenage sex offenders near us and close to our schools. The site they chose was a very remote place that would be hard to watch and was backed up against some areas where kids played and hiked. This was their answer to not having group homes within the city. I know not in my backyard. We finally got it stopped based on the fact that it was too remote and didn't have good transportation or medical facilities close enough.
Posted by: Jan || 09/02/2005 3:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Hey, I heard there are a couple of slots open now in Bellingham.....

(Bellingham Wa. is where a couple of sex offenders were bumped off a week or so ago. I know kind of sick humor but its early in the morning here....).
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/02/2005 3:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Where's Kathleen Taylor live? Let's find out, build an apartment building next store and move them all in there.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2005 9:32 Comments || Top||

#5  ACLU = Another Child Left Unprotected
Posted by: Gir || 09/02/2005 9:58 Comments || Top||

#6  This is a specious argument: convicted pedophiles should be sentenced to life in prison without parole.

I'm serious. One of the reasons why we have prisons is to protect innocent people from predators. Research tells us that pedophiles, at least presently, can't be reformed -- once a pedophile, always a pedophile. The only known proven treatment is castration, physical or chemical, and the ACLU considers that 'cruel'.

So we have to balance the rights of a convicted pedophile to walk the playgrounds streets again versus the rights of a child, really multiple children, to live without be molested. That seems like an easy decision to me, but I'm just a conservative.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2005 13:00 Comments || Top||

#7  I say just CUT IT OFF!!!!!!
Posted by: ARMYGUY || 09/02/2005 15:37 Comments || Top||

#8  "The ordinance, the suit claims, wrongfully imposes additional punishment on individuals who already have been punished under state law."

Problem: Sentencing includes releasing Pedophiles.
Solution: Sentencing makes 'em Dead-ophiles
Posted by: Hyper || 09/02/2005 16:10 Comments || Top||

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