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So, what's he saying: Israeli government deliberately allowed slaughter or 700 Israelis? To gain what - world sympathy that'll run out in 2 - 3 days?
#3
Kinda like the stories that FDR knew ahead and sacrificed Pearl Harbor to get us into the war...
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#4
I dont necessarily think that is what Bongino is saying.
I do think others are making that inference.
But the intelligence failure does raise questions.
Having gone back and re-read / gleamed over a few years of worth of articles in regards to palestinian financial aid - there was an emphasis on rebuilding Gaza and giving them economic opportunities. Economic Opportunity theme repeated itself.
I might suggest that the peace partners were so caught up in their own narrative that increasing Gaza Economic Opportunities, that Hamas would choose that win over a military win. So caught up in their narrative, that they glossed over or ignored developments on the ground - thinking their fairytale was a success. Hence Intelligence was sequestered and/or de-emphasized, that only watered down versions made it to the civilian govt. That's my #fanfiction.
#6
"So, what's he saying: Israeli government deliberately allowed slaughter or 700 Israelis? To gain what - world sympathy that'll run out in 2 - 3 days?"
It might not be the Israeli political government itself but the Administrative State that runs the Israeli state apparatus, or even just an Intel clique that wanted to punish Nethanyahu .
But would not be something done solitary it would have USA participation.
#7
I suspect this Administration was in a hurry to transfer the $6B because they knew this was coming and knew it would be politically impossible after.
[American Greatness via BOP] There have been plenty of terrorist attacks on Israel. A dozen or so conventional wars of various magnitude have been waged against the Jewish state. And more often there have been mixtures of both.
Yet never have hundreds of gangs of black-clad murderers carefully planned to swarm Israel, with an agenda to pull random Jews out of their homes and off the street, murder them, and toss their bodies in the street.
In fact, the closest parallel to the sort of methods Hamas is now embracing is something close to the Rwanda 1994 mass killing, when swarms of Hutu militia killers launched a preplanned murder spree against thousands of Tutsi civilians.
Note one common theme of these horrific videos of the murdering of young women: the bloodthirst of the Gaza crowd. There appears a natural desire of everyday Gazans to video the mutilations, an embrace of the spitting on the doomed, a frenzied effort to mutilate the dead—and the absence of a single Gazan objecting to the group murder of a civilian.
Hamas did not act out of the ordinary, but in sync with its people. In truth, there is something so terribly wrong in Gaza that the United States should keep as far away as it can from such barbarity—and hope that it too feels the same about America and keeps to itself.
So again why did Hamas mount such a long-planned and multifaceted assault on Israeli towns, public buildings, soldiers, and civilians?
The invasion was not so much a surprise attack, in the conventional Pearl Harbor sense, as a carefully calibrated land, sea, and ground effort at mass killing and hostage taking. It was designed to execute noncombatants, grab Jews for bargaining leverage, and to shock Israelis through their pre-civilizational desecration of the bodies of the dead.
It targeted first a youth concert near the border, on the theory the cowardly killers could gain maximum media traction and Arab solidarity by sensationally butchering and kidnapping helpless adolescents. Will the murderers in the weeks ahead transfer their killing zeal to attacks on the IDF? They will soon have their long desired and ample opportunity to showcase to the world their bravado as they face real soldiers and not unarmed elderly and youth.
Apparently, the Palestinians in their now ISIS role also thought their descent into even greater barbarity, rarely witnessed in even the most savage parts of the world, would shock Israelis into assuming some sort of collective fetal position, with hands over their ears screaming, "make all these demons just go away."
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[RIA] The conflicts that flare up in the world today (this is how a grandiose steppe fire usually begins with small, isolated fires) are completely different from what we are accustomed to consider military actions.
"Strange War" in Ukraine , where thousands of Ukrainian men go to certain death not in order to conquer territories, but in order to lose them. Well, a very strange war in Karabakh, to which the Armenian army did not show up at all, but for some reason the idea arose in the Armenian society that Russia should fight for them . And now October 7 in Israel - “more and more strange,” as Carroll’s Alice would say.
It’s not even clear what to call what was happening in the south of Israel on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. Numerous groups of Palestinian fighters took control of entire cities, took dozens of hostages, destroyed enemy military equipment, and killed people.
It’s too large-scale, coordinated, and well-thought-out for an intimidation campaign. Not enough for a full-fledged invasion. Massive attack? Rather, this is still a new type of war, structurally in many respects similar to what is happening now in the Ukrainian theater of operations.
This new war destroys all the usual patterns; no one is really ready for it - neither armies nor civilians. How was it before? For twenty years, humanity lived under the dark spell of the American doctrine of “Shock and Awe.” There was a clear algorithm: the most powerful and rich army in the world first launches a massive propaganda strike against an obviously weak enemy, then bombs it into the Stone Age, then carries out a ground invasion, occupies the main centers and mercilessly clears out partisans and civilians who come to hand.
All this implied that the country that is richer and more equipped with technology wins, and wins almost instantly. Blitzkrieg - and kings.
The Hamas attack on Israel showed the futility of high technology. Israeli Merkava tanks, considered practically invulnerable, were burning from explosives dropped from cheap drones. Well-equipped, motivated, and enjoying the highest respect from society, the Israeli military died and was captured by Palestinian fighters, who in the strict sense are not an army at all. That is, spending on the army and taking care of it also, it turns out, did not play a decisive role.
The legendary Israeli Mossad , whose employees, as we understand, work in the Gaza Strip on a permanent basis, were unable to warn the country's leadership of the impending danger. At the same time, Palestinian intelligence worked successfully - what kind of preliminary work had to be done to simultaneously invade several cities, attack people gathered for a music festival, and capture dozens of military and civilians.
The British The Guardian draws attention to the fact that over the past two years, Israel has issued more than 18 thousand work permits to residents of the Gaza Strip. This policy was intended to pacify the Palestinians and prevent large-scale terrorist attacks. In fact, it played against Israel: the Palestinians, who retained their former loyalty, could well have helped Hamas fighters carry out the attack.
So, for a successful attack today, good reconnaissance is needed - it will provide the factor of surprise. Weapons, which are easy to obtain through all sorts of illegal channels, are resold to the left by the widest range, by the way, in Ukraine. Small mobile sabotage groups, as well as their own “waiters” on the other side of the border.
With such an arsenal, a poor, technologically backward country may well be able to inflict a significant blow on its rich, developed opponent. Another advantage of a poor country in this context is the low price of human life; they will not spare either their own or others.
It's easy to see how this is structurally similar to the military operations in Ukraine. The huge role of drones, the importance of reconnaissance and counterintelligence, attacks by small sabotage groups in border zones, the problem of "waiters". And simply the opposite attitude towards the lives of fighters - our own and others. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are dying themselves and do not spare prisoners. Our military strives to save every life, including those of Ukrainians captured.
In the information field, a new type of war also looks extremely unusual.
On the one hand, bloody videos from Israel are seen by the whole world almost live. On the other hand, speaking out on this topic is extremely dangerous. One careless word and you already find yourself in a conflict. Someone on one side will read your tweet, get inspired and go kill the other side of the conflict. And you will suddenly find yourself either an anti-Semite or an enemy of the Arabs, but rather - both at the same time - and you will wait for the humiliated and insulted to come for you.
As a result, pure, wordless cruelty reigns supreme. Scenes of horrific massacres by Palestinian fighters. Israeli rocket attacks on residential buildings in Gaza. The pain, death, and suffering of thousands of people are broadcast live, and the world community sits and is afraid to open its mouth, so as not to provoke anyone.
Of course, we are not talking about any blitzkrieg on the part of Palestine now. On the contrary, a new type of war is doomed to be protracted. After all, it takes place in dense urban areas and represents an alternation of sabotage, terrorist attacks and missile attacks.
Understanding this very well, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on his fellow citizens to prepare for a long and bloody war.
For the civilian population, a new type of war is a complete nightmare. There are no rules, no compassion, the Geneva Convention goes to waste, everything is ruled by a passion for violence. In the information field, the task is to intimidate the enemy, so bullying and torture, shelling of civilians and using them as human shields will become routine. Alas, all these practices have been demonstrated to us by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass for several years now.
There will be no one to stand up for civilians - the world community will prefer to remain silent or speak out in an extremely neutral manner. Residents of Donbass understand what I’m talking about: they were killed in the complete, deafening silence of all human rights activists and disobedient journalists. This means that the protection of civilians will fall on the regular army, and it will be even more difficult for it to fight in such conditions.
In general, the war as we knew it from CNN reports and Hollywood films is becoming a thing of the past. We can say that she changes orientation. This is bad news not only for the military, but also for civilians - if in doubt, you can watch videos from Israel, Lebanon and Palestine in recent days.
Indeed. The abnormal situation where the weak attack the stong - and hide behind "international community" afterward, is over. But you, Russians, started this when you started repaying Salo Reich for it's treatment of Russian minority
#2
counterintelligence, attacks by small sabotage groups in border zones, the problem of "waiters"
This is a big issue. Last to last night, I tipped a guy 50 bucks. I'm a frugal man. Anyway, his demeanor totally changed after and he didn't even open the door for the missus. Sheesh!
#4
I don't see anything new or strange about it. It's just fucking terrorism committed by people who are well known for terrorism because they are too stupid and weak to do anything else.
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[REGNUM] The massive Hamas attack on Israel has once again focused the world's attention on the Arab-Israeli conflict, which has been going on since the founding of the State of Israel in 1948. Israel's opponents consider its very existence illegal, and all its lands - taken away from the Arabs by deception and violence. The Israelis, as you might guess, do not share this point of view.
Nowadays, when the Internet and a camera are in every phone, messages are accompanied by pictures from the scene. The whole world sees the abuse of captured soldiers, and reports about civilian hostages turn from just a set of letters in the newspaper into bright pictures - here is a completely gray-haired old woman, here is a completely frightened young mother with two very small red-haired children.
There are two different questions: what the war is about and how it is fought. Methods of warfare, what one side or another considers acceptable, matter.
Just as the subject of diplomatic efforts may be not only a peaceful settlement, which has not been achieved in all these decades and is not visible, but also a certain correction in the course of action of one or the other side.
I am not at all inclined to consider the Israelis to be impeccable people. But it is very difficult for me to imagine that they would grab some random residents of the Gaza Strip, old women and mothers with children, and use them as hostages in order to extract some concessions from Hamas.
Firstly, this would be impossible from the point of view of both Israeli and world public opinion. Secondly, it would simply be pointless - Hamas's interest in the life and freedom of the people on whose behalf it speaks is clearly not that high.
For Israel, taking hostages or publicly, on camera, mocking prisoners means losing face, losing support from the audience to which it appeals and whose support it needs.
For Hamas, no.
The apparent difference in what the conflicting parties consider acceptable gives rise to two similar reactions that could be labeled “left-wing” and “right-wing” racism.
"Left" racism is represented by Western sympathizers of Palestine. They would be genuinely offended if someone called them racist. “Racist” is their signature curse word, and they believe that racists are anyone but them.
But patronizing racism is also racism. In this case, members of “oppressed groups” are considered to be in principle less able to control their behavior, and therefore they are forgiven for what others will not be forgiven for. It is necessary to ask strictly questions from Israel, because they are adult, civilized people there, but not from Hamas.
“Right-wing” racism also highlights the cultural gap between the parties, but is not at all inclined to be lenient. He sees the conflict as a clash between "medieval fanaticism" and "modern civilization".
In reality, of course, it’s not a matter of “the Middle Ages.” And not in Islam. Yusuf ibn Ayyub, nicknamed Salah ad-Din (“piety of faith”), known in Europe as Saladin, was precisely a medieval Muslim, the Sultan of Egypt and Syria, who led a successful fight against the crusaders. He owed his success not only to his courage in battle, but also to his generosity towards the vanquished and his tolerance towards non-Muslims. His knightly virtues were recognized not only by his subjects, but also by his crusading opponents. Saladin is still revered in the Arab world as a model warrior and ruler.
It would be unthinkable for Saladin to behave the way Hamas does. He would have considered this incompatible with either his honor as a warrior or his duty as a believer.
There are also modern examples. Palestinian doctor Izzeldin Abuelaish, an Arab and Muslim, dedicated his life to overcoming hatred between Jews and Arabs. His consistent peacekeeping position did not waver, even when his three daughters and niece were killed by an Israeli shell in 2009. He wrote about his experience in the book I Won't Hate. A Gaza Doctor's Journey to Peace and Human Dignity."
People's behavior is not determined by their ethnicity or culture. Everyone is free in their choice and responsible for their actions. People can choose the path of peace or the path of hatred. Even when fighting, they can choose how they will do it. Sometimes these choices can be influenced—and Russia is in a unique position to maintain relations with both sides of the conflict.
Extinguishing the fire of confrontation that has been burning for many decades may be (yet) an impossible task. But it’s worth trying to influence the fate of the hostages and the future course of action of Hamas.
If it is impossible to convince people to renounce hostilities, you can try to convince them not to dishonor themselves by taking old women and mothers with small children hostage. This is, after all, not a feature of their culture. This is a feature of the behavior of specific people that they could change.
#3
Arab terrorists are similar to Mexican drug cartels in that they seek to intimidate the Western public with shocking examples of violence. From the Beirut barracks bombing through the Somalia dragging and dismemberment of Shuggart and Johnson to the hanging of the Blackwater contractors in Fallujah, the modus operandi remains the same. While it worked against Bill Clinton, it has not worked against the American public. I suspect that neither will Israel will not be intimidated.
Ideally, the Hamas deck of cards will be whittled down to the 2 of clubs in short order. Slaughtering Arab women and children doesn’t do anything. Putting 11 red laser markers on every Hamas bureaucrat with an offshore bank account will achieve what is needed.
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