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2006-03-01 International-UN-NGOs

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Posted by lotp 2006-03-01 12:42|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "It needs reform?" -- Ijaz

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-03-01 12:59|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-03-01 12:59|| Front Page Top

#2 It is not a matter of whether or not Islam "can" (or will, or wants to, or whatever) reform itself. Either it reforms itself or Islam will be ~~cauterized~~ excised from our planet's culture like the cancer it is.

Posted by Zenster 2006-03-01 13:04|| 2006-03-01 13:04|| Front Page Top

#3 "Opinion duel"? Is this some kind of "Celebrity Deathmatch" for thinking people?

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-03-01 13:23|| 2006-03-01 13:23|| Front Page Top

#4 Mansour's 3-point plan for reform was very weak and I think he realized it. The first point was to figure out how to defang the Koran (he doesn't even acknowledge the historical attempts at this). His second point was to modernize the defanged Koran. His third point was to get a lot of moderate muslims in high level administration positions (i.e., affirmative action).

Here was the guts of this 3rd point,

"..Raise the profiles of and give responsibility to American Muslims who seek reform within their religion. Give them positions of meaningful responsibility that enable them to be real messengers and agents for change, not by preaching but rather by the force of their examples in serving this great nation. If we had an American Muslim FBI director, or the deputy Defense secretary was a Muslim by faith, or one day we had an American Muslim secretary of State, these officeholders would do a world of good by setting an example of how secularism, tolerance and belief can coexist, much the same way Condi Rice and Colin Powell did for black people everywhere in diffusing race as a factor in service to our country. But we cannot have just one or two. Zalmay Khalilzad and Fareed Zakaria and Mansoor Ijaz are Uncles Abdullah, Asim, and Arif --the three stooges who don't represent Islam, but rather seek to ingratiate themselves with the vested interests who seek to destroy Islam. We are seen as apologists, not agents of change. We need hundreds, even thousands to rise into positions of real responsibility, to make this part of the strategy work.."

Posted by mhw 2006-03-01 14:21|| 2006-03-01 14:21|| Front Page Top

#5 no.

Posted by bgrebel 2006-03-01 14:33|| 2006-03-01 14:33|| Front Page Top

#6 yes, in order to move our society forward, we will take backward thinking people and elevate them to positions of power.

I'm all for giving a voice to Muslims who wish to defang the Koran and move forward into this century. But even the moderate Muslims are still centuries behind when it comes to ideals of freedom. Positions of power, I think not.

Posted by 2b 2006-03-01 14:34|| 2006-03-01 14:34|| Front Page Top

#7 If we had an American Muslim FBI director, or the deputy Defense secretary was a Muslim by faith, or one day we had an American Muslim secretary of State...

Mmmmm... am I the only one who remembers the Muslim FBI agent who refused to tape Sami al-Arian? Or the translators who were members of the very groups they were working on?

Sure, there are loyal and patriotic Muslims. But that's not the way to bet.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-03-01 14:35|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-03-01 14:35|| Front Page Top

#8 Not to mention the muslim Marine who thoughtfully fragged his CO's tent.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-03-01 17:11|| 2006-03-01 17:11|| Front Page Top

#9 There is no time for this argument.
It will come out in the wash one way or another in the next decade.
It will not be pretty.

Posted by 3dc 2006-03-01 17:24|| 2006-03-01 17:24|| Front Page Top

#10
And all the nice Muslims in the UAE that would like to "MANAGE" our ports!

Sure, sure, the feds SAY, there isn't a problem. But gosh, how MANY times have they been wrong in the past?

I mean really, the true nature of Muslims is laid out bare, most people here see it, but not where the management of our ports are concerned.

Funny that. Fool? Tools? Willfully ignorant? Time will tell.

Posted by Vinkat Bala Subrumanian 2006-03-01 17:24|| 2006-03-01 17:24|| Front Page Top

#11 Lol, VBS. You're becoming downright comical. Campaigning for RB Jester? Lol.

Posted by .com 2006-03-01 17:33|| 2006-03-01 17:33|| Front Page Top

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