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2006-03-18 Home Front: Culture Wars
Apaches Sue Spielberg For Culturally Insensitive Haircut
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Posted by Listen To Dogs 2006-03-18 07:47|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 So the kid just wandered onto the set and was scalped and forced to play a role? Or did her parents/guardians farm the kid out for an acting job and then get ticked off that their little star didn't get a speaking role?
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-03-18 09:32||   2006-03-18 09:32|| Front Page Top

#2 Make no mistake, Apaches are still a warrior tribe. And while they don't have so damn many taboos as do the Navajo and Hopi, they take the ones they have seriously.

In this case, a young girl's coming of age ceremony is probably their biggest celebration. They permitted parts of one to be video taped some years ago. The ceremony lasts several days and the girl has seven bells beaten out of her in the process.

The cost can run into tens of thousands of dollars. The girl is regarded as tremendous good luck, so several hundred people want to touch her as many times as they can. Everything is covered with yellow corn pollen, which is also good luck.

The girl has a bodyguard of four old grandmothers, and goes through a dozen or more elaborate costume changes, leading into her doing a slow dance that lasts most of a day.

About every four years or so, one girl in particular is selected for the "giant size" version of the ceremony, and not only gets a small fortune in gifts, but is on the fast track to a leadership position in the tribe.

Yep, Spielberg and Co. really screwed up her bat Mitzvah all right.
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-03-18 09:46||   2006-03-18 09:46|| Front Page Top

#3 LOL, TW.

Anonymoose - you made that up, right? :)
Posted by Glunter Sneash8888 2006-03-18 10:09||   2006-03-18 10:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Nope,GS, our living encylopedia, Anonymoose, didn't have to make that one up. It's called the Sunrise Ceremony.
Posted by GK 2006-03-18 10:34||   2006-03-18 10:34|| Front Page Top

#5 my point remains. If it is such a big, big thing.. who was supervising the kid and didn't object at the time?

Children on sets are under supervision.
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-03-18 10:46||   2006-03-18 10:46|| Front Page Top

#6 WTF, where were her parents while she was on set, she at least has to have some kind of legal guardian on set with her at all times, thats the movie biz.
Posted by bk 2006-03-18 10:48||   2006-03-18 10:48|| Front Page Top

#7 I see smoke signals..

/warpath
Posted by RD 2006-03-18 11:24||   2006-03-18 11:24|| Front Page Top

#8 Q: Fastest way to a fight on the res?
A: Insult the Marine Corps.

The only men who won't get upset are prior service Army.
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-03-18 12:17||   2006-03-18 12:17|| Front Page Top

#9 I have some sympathy for this family. Whatever they might have been paid for the girl's participation was probably quite welcome: if they are traditionals they are probably living in poverty financially.

My guess is that they were given vague promises that nothing would be done with her and then, when the producers realized they didn't have enough boys, someone just grabbed her and started trimming.

'moose is right about the US military veterans in that tribe.
Posted by lotp 2006-03-18 18:16||   2006-03-18 18:16|| Front Page Top

#10 I lived in Alamogordo 1969-1970,and visited the Mescalero Indian reservation east of there. Not only are these people warriors, they're some of the most savvy cattle-breeders in the world. They also have money - millions, not pocket change. My wife worked (head bookkeeper) at a bank that handled a couple of their accounts. One of the local bank officers mouthed off to some friends, and was overheard by one of the trustees of the Mescalero accounts. The Mescaleros retaliated the next day by withdrawing over $6M from the bank and putting it in another bank. You do NOT cross these people - they have the power to retaliate.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-03-18 18:38|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-03-18 18:38|| Front Page Top

#11 I'd have $6 million dollars too if I didn't have to pay any taxes.
Posted by Sheath Phath9207 2006-03-18 18:41||   2006-03-18 18:41|| Front Page Top

#12 I'd have $6 million dollars too if I didn't have to pay any taxes.
Posted by Sheath Phath9207 2006-03-18 18:42||   2006-03-18 18:42|| Front Page Top

#13 Thanks for the info on the Mescaleros, OP. Our daughter was friends with both Apaches and Navaho from NM. Their extended clans weren't in on the riches that it appears this group has and I just extrapolated from that.
Posted by lotp 2006-03-18 22:40||   2006-03-18 22:40|| Front Page Top

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