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2005-11-18 Home Front: WoT

Washington Retreat: WSJ on Murtha & RINOs

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Posted by Shineque Phomoth8462 2005-11-18 10:20|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 We should call for the resignation of Rep. Murtha.

This man, OF ALL PEOPLE should know the lessons learned in Vietnam.He has out lived his usefulness in Congress. His statments were very irresponsible.This idiot has sent a message to ALL Islamic extremists that could prolong this war indefinitly.
I beleive it's called senile dementia. This man is obviously over wrought emotionally and living in a time warp.

Posted by ARMYGUY 2005-11-18 12:08|| 2005-11-18 12:08|| Front Page Top

#2 I beleive it's called senile dementia.

I believe it's called the politics of desperation. This gentleman, who voted for the war before he spoke against it, has been opposed to the war since 2004 (an election year). But he has not made a big splash until now. Because Cindy Sheehan has run out of steam and The Plame case is starting to look like a fiasco, the donks needed a new anti-war symbol. This guy comes from a safe liberal district near Pittsburg. He's a war hero and a long term senior donk pol. The party leader ship has probably had him ready for a long time. The Bushies came out strong against thier detractors this week. So this is the donks' response designed to be the primary topic on the Sunday talk shows. I would not be surprised to hear from him next week also, say Thursday or Friday.

It's pure politics. What he deserves is to be thanked for his service to the country and defeated at the next congressional election.

Posted by Thraving Ebbeaque1707 2005-11-18 12:41|| 2005-11-18 12:41|| Front Page Top

#3 We should call for the resignation of Rep. Murtha.

This man, OF ALL PEOPLE should know the lessons learned in Vietnam.

When was Murtha elected? Which party is he in?

Here's his biography. He was elected in 1974.

Did he vote to end assistance to South Vietnam? Anyone know when that vote was taken, what the bil # was?

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-11-18 12:41|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-11-18 12:41|| Front Page Top

#4 He was elected in a special election to fill an unexpired term in February 1974. The vote to cut aid to Vietnam was in July, IIRC. I do not know the bill number nor could I figure out how he voted from some limited Googling yesterday.

Posted by Uneng Omeaper8565 2005-11-18 12:49|| 2005-11-18 12:49|| Front Page Top

#5 I love the way the other article branded him a conservative. Yeah, sure he is. He's a Democrat. A conservative and a war hero against the war. We should all go home. The liberal's new darling spokesperson.

It's going to be fun watching the internet shed some unwelcome light on all of his past boastful claims. hehe.

Posted by 2b 2005-11-18 13:06|| 2005-11-18 13:06|| Front Page Top

#6 The Senate may be cutting and running from the fight with Islamofascism now, but as the saying goes, "you can run, but..."

I'm afraid that, rather than the Cold War with hot spots with the Commies, it's going to be a Hot War with a few cold spots with the Islammies.

I just hope my son doesn't suffer someday for the cowardice on display today by the spineless Republican Congressional Caucus.

Oh well. I guess it's time to start voting 3rd party again, 'cause what does it matter if it's Demicans or Republicrats in the majority? They're all blow(hard)-with-the-wind pussies.

Our troops, and our cuntry, deserve beter than these jellyfish.

Posted by Hyper">Hyper 2005-11-18 13:16|| 2005-11-18 13:16|| Front Page Top

#7 Oh well. I guess it's time to start voting 3rd party again

yeah, that will be helpful.

Posted by 2b 2005-11-18 13:24|| 2005-11-18 13:24|| Front Page Top

#8 3rd party, sheeeeeeit. Time to throw out all the politicians and start over. Kinda like a reset button.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-11-18 13:29|| 2005-11-18 13:29|| Front Page Top

#9 Maybe it's time to make your voice heard.

Maybe it's time to join the RNC and to bitch and holler whenever the warm milk crowd tries to turn the party into a bunch of Dems.

Maybe it's time to take an interest in the primaries and support candidates who think like you do.

The third-party stuff is crap; it gave us Bill Clinton, the gift of Ross Perot.

The "vote the man, not the party" stuff is crap. I vote Republican because I'm philosophically a Republican. That doesn't mean that I'll accept the party doing stoopid things. To almost quote the original Gore (Leslie): "It's my party and I'll bitch if I want to."

Posted by Fred 2005-11-18 13:40|| 2005-11-18 13:40|| Front Page Top

#10 Lovely little Leslie also said "You would cry too if it happened to you." I did when Ross put Bill in office. Twice. I'd rather hear Murtha singing it Or maybe Bush singing "It's Murtha's turn to cry."

Posted by Crelet Snamble4290 2005-11-18 14:18|| 2005-11-18 14:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Kerry is being quoted on Fox right now as saying he "...won't stand still for the Swift-Boating of Murtha", LOL.

Posted by .com 2005-11-18 14:26|| 2005-11-18 14:26|| Front Page Top

#12 voting 3rd party is like placing your bet to win on the horse that is most likely to place 3rd.

Posted by 2b 2005-11-18 14:44|| 2005-11-18 14:44|| Front Page Top

#13 I'll vote as I please, thank you.

If the 'Pubs can't be counted on for spine, then phuck 'em all, along with the Donks.

FWIW (which amounts to spit in a hurricane), my vote for President Bush was a vote to support the the War on Terror. My votes for Republicans in '02 and '04 were mostly because the Dems weren't serious about it. '06... we'll see who's serious about the War.

Hyper

P.S. Maybe Perot did birth Clinton, but 15 Million Perot voters (~20% of the electorate) scared the Demicans and Republicrats into a balanced budget. Standing up for what's right isn't what motivates the yellow bastards in Washington, it's fear of losing voters (though I agree getting Clinton in the deal was vile).

Posted by Hyper">Hyper 2005-11-18 15:18|| 2005-11-18 15:18|| Front Page Top

#14 What is philosophically Republican? The Sense of the Senate (lol) resolution on Monday? The bridge to nowhere? The prescription drug plan? McCain-Feingold? The McCain gang? Waffling on ANWR exploration?

I consider myself philosophically conservative. I have voted for Republicans for support for the WOT, limited government, fiscal responsibility, and the judiciary. The last six months have been very disappointing. Republicrats indeed.

Posted by SR-71 2005-11-18 15:39|| 2005-11-18 15:39|| Front Page Top

#15 You guys are right. We'd be much better off with Kerry in the White House. Next time I'll vote for LaRouche.

Posted by Graving Ebboger3742 2005-11-18 16:52|| 2005-11-18 16:52|| Front Page Top

#16 "Don't Be A Douche, Vote For LaRouche!" LOL!!

Posted by Hyper">Hyper 2005-11-18 17:14|| 2005-11-18 17:14|| Front Page Top

#17 Nice try, GE3742. However, elections are supposed to mean something. With the record that the Senate GOP is busy establishing, we might as well have electer sKerry, because the results will be the same.

Politics ain't beanbag. We get the government we deserve. The reason the pols don't listen to the voters is because they believe they have lifetime sinecures. Turn the bums out, and the system might recover.

Posted by SR-71 2005-11-18 18:48|| 2005-11-18 18:48|| Front Page Top

#18 "...we might as well have electer sKerry, because the results will be the same."

That's so obviously untrue in the area in which you voiced concern, the WoT, that it's breathtaking. You're competing with Reid, with that one. It's beneath you bro.

Posted by .com 2005-11-18 18:58|| 2005-11-18 18:58|| Front Page Top

#19 I hate to bicker with a guy named SR-71. But, do you really think things would be the same with Kerry in office?

I have no disagreement with turning the bums out. And then, whom do we put in their place? The bottom line is we get a choice between, basically, two guys. Neither may be your ideal, but you gotta choose the better one.

The system you'd like instead is?

Posted by Graving Ebboger3742 2005-11-18 19:01|| 2005-11-18 19:01|| Front Page Top

#20 Participate.

Apparently Rep. Murtha does not receive e-mails, so I printed this out and will mail it tomorrow:

November 18, 2005

The Honorable John P. Murtha
House of Representatives
2423 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515 3812

Re: Iraq

Dear Representative Murtha:

My son is a Marine, so I certainly respect your years of service. I lived through Vietnam, but did not participate (or run away), and respect ALL who served this Country.

Given your years of service, I can not understand your recent call for withdrawal from Iraq within six months. Do you really believe the war can't be won? The only thing that can defeat us, Congressmen, is ourselves.

I am disappointed that a Marine of your distinguished service would climb on the defeatist bandwagon. Did the Viet Cong WIN in Vietnam, Congressman, or did we LOSE the war at home?

Sincerely,

Posted by Bobby 2005-11-18 21:10|| 2005-11-18 21:10|| Front Page Top

#21 Like Fred said, in #9 - Make your voice heard.

You can go to - http://congress.nw.dc.us/townhall/dbq/officials/directory/directory.dbq?command=congdir

And e-mail ANY Representative or Congressman. (Except, of course, some are not in the 21st century, yet).

I have probably sent out 30 e-mails in the last 20 days - a couple of which I have shared with the 'Burg.

I know Fred is bored, and has nothing else to do, but a link to a place to e-mail elected representatives would be most useful, (mebbe there's a better or easier site than Townhall?) and the next most useful thing would be a library of well-crafted, polite, short, respectful, direct and to-the-point e-mails which could be borrowed, copied, or modified to match a particular day and time.

I hereby release all rights to anything *I* have ever shared here!

Number One - Make it happen!

Posted by Bobby 2005-11-18 21:20|| 2005-11-18 21:20|| Front Page Top

#22 .com My comment was unclear. It was not criticism of GWB. You well know that I have supported him consistently. But the president cannot do it alone.

Frist is a joke, and the GOP Senate made an amazing display of wobblies on Monday. I do not believe that "they didn't know how it would be taken." If the congress critters undercut the war effort, what do you think the result will be? How will that be different from a sKerry presidency?

I have also written a number of letters this week, but I am increasingly frustrated with the media and the Democrats. They are talking impeachment. It may be lunatic moonbattery, but if that happens, the system is dead.

Posted by SR-71 2005-11-18 22:19|| 2005-11-18 22:19|| Front Page Top

#23 Ah, cool - I think I'm with you 100%, then - particularly regards the Senate. The House has some active and reliable people, er, well at least more than the Senate, heh. IMHO, Henry Hyde was the only speaker I saw tonight who was calm, rational, and worthy of praise. Even Kyl seemed to get caught up in the screechy shit and wasted his tiny moment upon the stage. Sigh. I guess the margin is what makes the House seem a bit more rational, lol.

The gutless performances over the last 4 months or so have been very disheartening. I recall, very clearly, how that felt back in the Vietnam era. Sucked, big time, to know that you were literally hung out to dry and either nobody gave a shit or, if the did, it was to hate you.

If we hadn't lucked out by having Bush in there on 9/11/2001, we'd be fucked, today. Well and Truly, IMHO. Certainly, Gore wouldn't be fighting anyone. The Taleban and Saddam would still be killing wymyn on the soccer grounds and shredding Shi'a for kicks. An election that close - and 180Â° opposite results. Pivoted on the head of a pin. Amazing.

Posted by .com 2005-11-18 22:36|| 2005-11-18 22:36|| Front Page Top

#24 I commented yesterday on another site that it is hard to understand how Murtha could do this. He also served in Vietnam. Doesn't HE remember being hung out to dry? Democrat politics apparently supercedes everything.

If the Donks win, a lot of Americans will die. When nukes start going off in our cities, the war of civilizations starts - it doesn't matter who is in the Whitehouse. The congress will impeach any president who refuses to retaliate. Jacksonian America still lives. Hard to believe that they would want that. I don't believe that the Donks will actually stand on principle and allow themselves to be destroyed.

Posted by SR-71 2005-11-18 23:10|| 2005-11-18 23:10|| Front Page Top

#25 "If the Donks win, a lot of Americans will die."

And with that you nailed the difference: they would have done zip, 9/11/2001 to now, and will roll back what Bush has done if they win in 2008.

If they do take the WH in '08... Then only when another massive hit comes, since it's not like we haven't already been repeatedly attacked, massively so on 9/11, THEN they'll pretend to get all righteous and pissed... and do dick about it, ala Clinton.

Civil War, somewhere around 2012.

Posted by .com 2005-11-18 23:24|| 2005-11-18 23:24|| Front Page Top

#26 .com Do you really think it will be that long? The harder the left pushes, the more crazies that come out. They don't seem to realize that they are destroying the system that allows competing interests and worldviews to co-exist.

Posted by SR-71 2005-11-18 23:39|| 2005-11-18 23:39|| Front Page Top

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