A comedian had a joke a while back about Steven Seagal not being an appropriate name for an action movie star. His punchline was "Stop with the kicking!" Seagal's girth seems to have put an end to his kicking career, but he is a man of many "talents."
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hmmm. ima seem remeber post cupla days ago or sumptin bout anyone is can play em gittar.
Bland? You call Matthews "bland?" I'd call them incredibly monotonous, and that's being polite. They are the most over-rated bunch of no talent rock and roll wanna-bes since Pearl Jam. Give me Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Eric Johnson, Junior Brown, Eek A Mouse. I'd rather be dragged through thumbtacks and dipped in rubbing alcohol than have to sit through a set of Dave Matthews.
Some fun news amongst all the Kerry Lies and Mookie Sadr's desire for martyrdom
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Updated: 4:30 p.m. ET Aug. 19, 2004ATHENS, Greece - Sorry, Svetlana. There's a new Queen of Gymnastics, and her name is Carly Patterson.
The 16-year-old American who drew comparisons to Mary Lou Retton delivered a dazzling routine on the floor to close out the all-around Thursday night and spoil Russian superstar Svetlana Khorkina's final chance at Olympic gold in gymnastics' premier event.
A group supporting natural titties breasts staged a small street protest in Hollywood on Wednesday against a U.S. military policy offering free booby breast implants to female soldiers. The group, led by porn star and former California gubernatorial candidate Mary Carey, said the military should spend its money on "bullets, not boobs."
I tend to agree, but I don't think the amount the military spends on new groodies for PFC Nelly really impacts that much on the overall budget.
"I think girls should have natural boobs and natural beauty," Carey said after unveiling her own bazooms breasts in the protest at an Army recruiting office on Sunset Boulevard.
"Bartender! Milk for everyone!"
"Women should be happy with their bodies and what they're blessed with," the 24-year-old star of 37 porn films said.
And if that's not enough, there's an entire 'nother gender that'd like to be happy with your bodies!
Her words and deeds drew cheers of "hubba-hubba!" from a small group of men who had gathered to watch the event. Passing cars sounded their horns in response to a sign that read "Honk if you love honkers natural breasts." Carey, who wore green camouflage shorts and bikini top, assured all that her own breasts were real.
I ain't convinced! Lemme see them things!
The protest was organized by porn impresario Mark Kulkis, president of Kick Ass Pictures, the company for whom Carey stars. It follows recent news stories about the military offering free plastic surgery, including breast enhancements, to soldiers and their families so military doctors can practice their skills.
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The military is giving out the free surgery because they need practice for reconstruction after combat wounds. This is a good cause. It includes nose reconstruction and such not just boobs. Besides, if a woman is unhappy with her breast size who is the amply endowed Mary Carey to tell them they are wrong? Whatever makes them happy.
A roundup of just a few of the oddities encountered in a (my) typical day surfing the WWW.
Paris Hilton for President Airhead rich kids tout Simple Life star for leader of the free world
BACK OFF, Bush! Move over, Kerry! Paris Hilton is headed for the White House! That's the fervent hope of a group of ditzy rich girls who have pooled their sizable trust funds to make sure it happens. "Well, like, we think Paris would be an awesome president because she's so popular!" gushes Weatherly Waters, mastermind of the "Paris for Prez" campaign.
Bill Clinton reallywants to be invited to the Lincoln bedroom if this happens.
Toogle (Search Results probably NSFW)
Toogle is a Text version of Googles Image Search. Currently it creates images out of the very term that was used to fetch those images, later we will endeavour to create images out of the search terms entered by users past and present. But for now please, go play. This website is not necessarily recommended for children, minors, or other people of a sensitive nature, since it will most likely present content that might be upsetting. Still it was never my intention to pussy-foot around, and I don't intend on making the site any safer, the net is a big bad dangerous super-highway and if you get upset by images made from text then you might as well give up now.
The myths of sex before sport
By Jennifer Quinn (BBC) - Thursday, 12 August, 2004, 10:21 GMT 11:21 UK
With the Olympics upon us and 17,000 athletes converging on Athens, they'll be glad to know sex the evening before a big match isn't likely to hinder a performance, and thrilled to find out it just might help.
A little porn is 'good for you' (SNSFW)
By Emma-Kate Symons and Kate Mackenzie - August 17, 2004
PORNOGRAPHY is good for people, the academic leading a taxpayer-funded study of the subject said yesterday, as the Coalition and Labor traded jibes about an Opposition push to stop online porn reaching home computers. Alan McKee, who with academics Catharine Lumby and Kath Albury is conducting the Understanding Pornography in Australia study, said that a survey of more than 1000 porn-users must be taken into account as Labor considers forcing all internet service providers to automatically filter hardcore porn to protect children. "The surprising finding was that pornography is actually good for you in many ways," Dr McKee said.
Suspended: police 'who had sex with porn stars'
By Justin Davenport, Evening Standard, Crime Correspondent - 16 August 2004
Two policemen caught on film having sex with two porn actresses while on duty in Soho have been suspended. The constables, aged 30 and 34, fobbed off radio calls from colleagues as they had sex in a van being used by the film crew. Scotland Yard today said a disciplinary investigation had been launched. A spokesman said: "We are disappointed by the conduct which, if substantiated, brings the service into disrepute.
Nuns suspended for going on wild Club 18-30 holiday
Twelve American nuns have been suspended from their convent after going on an alcohol and sex fuelled holiday. The women, all aged between 22 and 31, went on the Club 18-30 holiday without telling anyone where they were going.
All items are 'normal' stories. None represent my particular viewpoint on anything, nor are they intended to convey any deep meaning - they're just 'news' stories. No likee, no clikee.
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Your definition of 'normal' differs from mine - good nuns on the run story.
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By CHRISTOPHER "I need a dentist" TOOTHAKER - Aug 18
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Maintaining that a failed referendum to oust Venezuela's president was rigged against them, opposition leaders Wednesday refused to participate in a partial audit of the results as proposed by former President Jimmy Carter. The opposition's refusal to accept Chavez's overwhelming victory in Sunday's referendum threatens more upheaval in this South American country, which remains deeply divided over President Hugo Chavez. Carter and the Organization of American States - which monitored the referendum and endorsed the results - on Tuesday proposed an audit of 150 polling stations to assuage the opposition's concerns of vote fraud. ...more...
To participate is to endorse the results. Carter is an incredible embarrassment. The future of Venezuela looks bloody.
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Hopefully the blood (that will be on Carter's hands) won't start spilling until next spring. I'd like to have more sunny days so that I can ride my motorbike more frequently when the price of gasoline rockets to $3/gallon and above.
Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:42 AM ET BEIJING (Reuters) - China urged the United States on Thursday not to allow Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian to set foot on U.S. soil, describing his stopovers en route to Latin America as a trick to sabotage Sino-U.S. relations. Yes indeed. Such a visit runs the terrible risk that someone in the White House might finally see through the smoke and mirrors of China's plans for world domination.
Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian is to stop briefly in the United States on his trip to and from Latin America from late August, further angering China at a time of high tension between the arch-rivals. Doesn't this seem to have a lot in common with the Middle East? Here's this tiny little country somehow managing to antagonize a region many times its size, merely by being successful and democratic. Too bad no one in America's government has the least clue of how to foster this island of democracy in the far east.
"The use of 'stopovers' by the Taiwan authorities as an excuse to conduct activities splitting China and sabotaging China-U.S. relations is a trick they have consistently been using," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said in a statement. What, no "Yankee running dog?" No "lackey of the imperialistic capitalist hegemony?" It's no fun without the spittle. Continued on Page 49
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France's Roman Catholic Church has reported a 1.3m-euro deficit ($1.6m) from a visit by the Pope to the southern shrine of Lourdes. Let's do the math: $1.6 MILLION DOLLARS FOR A SPA VISIT?!? Does anyone else have a problem with these numbers? Even if they flew the Pope there and back in an ICU air ambulance it couldn't cost that much.
The two-day event culminated in a Mass attended by 200,000 people on Sunday. However, donations covered only 15% of the expenditures for the weekend-long pilgrimage, a French bishop said. He blamed the shortfall on a poor collection system, and urged Roman Catholics to help the Church recover the costs through extra donations. So what they're saying is that this actually should have been a gated event except that receiving a benediction from the Vicar of Christ really isn't supposed to be a profit center for the church. Or is it?
The Church did not exceed its estimated budget of 1.5m euros ($1.85m), Lourdes Bishop Jacques Perrier said. However, receipts from collections amounted to a mere 200,000 euros ($250,000). Wow, a "mere QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS! Gosh, that's only ten times an average person's annual salary.
"Organisers did not explain to pilgrims how things worked," he told the French AFP news agency. "Alla yez gotta pay ta play pray. Capiche?"
"People are used to giving in churches, but not at big rallies," he added. So ... this "free event" really isn't so "free" after all? Continued on Page 49
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Zenster,$1.6mil sounds pretty cheap to me.Food and lodgings for Papal entourage(security and medical)for 2 days and a nite aren't cheap.French security was probably reimbursed for visit and I kind of doubt all the chairs,sound systems,standby ambulances,etc. were donated by the French.
As to great wealth of Catholic Church,well,most of the artwork they commissioned(payed for)in the first place.If the Church sold the artworks off,how much do you think would be available in museums,and how much would be bought by the rich and hidden away in private vaults?There is a reason people who own a house continue to work.The house may be worth so much,but you can only sell it once.
The Church has an awful lot to answer for,but I've always thought the charge of hording great wealth based on artwork the Church paid for centuries ago to be pretty bogus.And I am not now,nor have I ever been a Catholic,and last time I attended any religious service was almost 30 years ago.
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1.6 MILLION IS CHEAP? Just how big is this entourage anyway? The church has always been been big on sqeezing money from the faithfull. It must kill them they can't sell endulgences (?sp) like they used to, although they still charge for just about everything else. As for selling their paintings, a good number of them were in fact done back in the 15 and 16 hundreds, and are worth a lot, having been done by artists such as Rembrandt. The problem is that quite a few of them are pornographic.
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Just to clear the air: I'm not anti-catholic. I object to any authoritarian religious organization that uses it's power to exploit it's flock (read: Islam as a classic example). To describe the pope as a visiting head of state is to describe him as a secular figure. Several hundred years ago the pope had vast secular power, but today I would hope the Vatican sees itself as the seat of a religious organization. Apparently I'm wrong.
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Strictly speaking, the pope no longer has secular power. Certainly used to, back in the days when the Vatican encompassed the middle third of what is now Italy. What the pope now has, or should have at any rate,is moral authority, which can translate into the ability to apply immense pressure on secular leaders. In parts of Europe the pope still has a great deal of secular power. For instance in Ireland, where the Irish constitution declares a state religion. This causes lots of problems here where the church seems to feel it can wield the same kind of power. I don't object to the church using it's moral force. Much of the time I even agree with it's stands. That's not the point. I have issues with ANY religion attempting to run the political process in ANY country. I've gotten off subject here. Sorry. The main point is that if the faithfull wish to cover the cost of the pope's vist they can, but they shouldn't be forced to through use of guilt.
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How many frog legs can you buy with $1.6 million?
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Oops. Contradicted myself very nicely there. The pope no longer has direct secular power over a country, but certainly still has indirect power over a number of the countries in europe and south america. In my personal view, a source of immense problems in many of these countries.
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Dis, the Papal States is a country. The smallest state in the world, but the Pope holds secular power of it. Still I get your point.
Stephen most claims over Catholic wealth are not regarding art but land. The Church is the largest land owner in the world and they do not have churches on all of it. It was common to convince dieing folk to will their land to the church in the old days. They could easily sell off some of it if they wanted.
The real story here is the Pope is working his way through history. Apologizing for this and that thing that happened centuries ago. I think he's sopping Southern France for that whole Black Pope thing.
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Vatican City is the smallest nation in the world. It's size is usually measured in acres, not square miles. It also has only 878 citizens. I understand that population growth is not considered a problem.
While it's difficult to measure the wealth of small nations, I would propose that Monaco, Liechtenstein and the Vatican City State are all very wealthy. Nauru used to be until the bird poop ran out.
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#1As to great wealth of Catholic Church,well,most of the artwork they commissioned(payed for)in the first place.
Quite obviously, you did not attend the touring exibit I mentioned. If you had, you would have seen the enormous number of artifacts that were most definitely not "commissioned." Superb Byzantine spiral fluted columns and other sculptural works present at that show were the product of LOOTING, not artistic patronage.
#4Do visiting heads of state commonly ask the citizens of the country they're visiting to foot the tab for their expenses?
Bingo, dls, you have presented many cogent arguments here. The Pope may visit wherever he wishes, but such travel should be on his own existing budget. Using deficit spending for a sojourn in the hopes of recouping it from one's intended audience assumes an unbecoming degree of self-importance from one who is supposed to humbly wash the feet of the poor.
#10... most claims over Catholic wealth are not regarding art but land. The Church is the largest land owner in the world and they do not have churches on all of it. It was common to convince dieing folk to will their land to the church in the old days. They could easily sell off some of it if they wanted.
Which applies most thoroughly to the sex abuse scandal, but that is grist for another thread. That the Church expects fundraising to support such lavish spending on their own self-promotion is pure hypocrisy. Any putative good being done seems to have taken a back seat over monetary concerns. I doubt we shall ever see a ledger sheet showing just how big an entourage accompanied John Paul II. Better that the Church dip into their own bottomless coffers and shut their mouths about whatever degree of donation (or lack thereof) they encountered in the revival tent.
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As the driver of my ride to Romes airport said
"We romans have a saying... If the barbarians didn't steal it, the Vatican took it!"
Actually, another source of the artwork was in the form of "gifts to the Pontiff". Now this may be viewed as attempts to purchase "indulgences" ,but I think a close look at the claims of ownership would reveal a lower number of potentially "looted" items. Heck, Chicago's own Natural History museum just recently returned sacred totem poles they "borrowed" to indians in Alaska.
Whiteman: Sorry ,we didn't think you were using them...
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You really have to be curious about what they have down in the catacombs. Even Goering left them alone. However, I believe that had something to do with a quid pro quo: you don't steal the stuff we stole, we won't make nasty comments about your treatment of the Jews. Finally we come to the logical end: as usual it's about the Jews.
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You really have to be curious about what they have down in the catacombs.
Legends abound concerning ancient codas and art objects squirreled away in the Vatican's collections. Many have compared it to the Library at Alexandria. Their secretive attitude towards what most antiquarians consider to be the single greatest archive of historical documents has only served to destroy this treasure trove. Due to irreversible damage from improper storage, the Vatican was forced to finally permit experts access in order that they might begin restoration and preservation of this stupendous assemblage.
John Paul II was inordinately candid to call this monumental array "an embarrassment of riches." It is appalling to see such wealth squandered, both in France and amongst the rotting manuscripts they hoard. Who knows what self-incriminating evidence concerning possible collusion with the Nazis or even contradictions to the Scriptures themselves might exist in their repository. There is little reason not to imagine that the Vatican has suppressed contrary testimony in a fashion similar to the Mormon Church.
Any challenge to what was once a nearly ultimate and still significant continuing power could be bought off with ease by their fabulous wealth. While this is sheer speculation, the Catholic Church has historically demonstrated a vigorous protection of their own interests, even at the cost of other people's lives. One need only consider their perpetuation of the patently false "blood libel" to comprehend how the Vatican's closets contain their own morgue of well-concealed skeletons. This far reaching connection is not without substance in that it firmly demonstrates a willingness to promote their own agenda regardless of cost. This is what happened in France and it constitutes a despicable pattern of conduct.
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And if you look, you'll find several recent articles complaining about the costs of hosting a campaign visit by Kerry or Bush.
How is it either moral or ethical for them to make voters shoulder the burden of their own self-promotion? Do the various campaigns specifically budget allocations for the drain on local law enforcement, or is any uptick in crime associated with the diversion of such resources merely swept under the rug?
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I don't object to the church using it's moral force. Much of the time I even agree with it's stands. That's not the point. I have issues with ANY religion attempting to run the political process in ANY country. I've gotten off subject here.
No you haven't, DLS. Upon rereading this thread, your words gained additional strength. What you are addressing is theocracy and that is the enemy of progress. It represents the primary refutation of Islamism and rightly so.
How is it either moral or ethical for them to make voters shoulder the burden of their own self-promotion?
That should have read; " ... to make taxpayers," not 'voters'.
(Washington, D.C.) — Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today filed a request with the U.S. Navy and the Defense Department for an investigation into the awards granted to Sen. John Kerry during his service with the U.S. Navy in Vietnam. Judicial Watch also requested that military authorities investigate Kerry's anti-war activities, including his meeting with North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegations in Paris, while a member of the Naval Reserve.
Basing its requests on a recently published book, Unfit for Command, by former Navy officer John E. O'Neill and Harvard University professor Jerome R. Corsi, and on news media interviews of other officers and sailors who served with Kerry, Judicial Watch notes that unresolved allegations against Kerry include: false official reports and statements; dishonorable conduct; aiding the enemy; dereliction of duty; misuse and abuse of U.S. government equipment and property; war crimes; and multiple violations of U.S. Navy regulations and directives, the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the U.S. Code.
Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star for "wounds" received and actions in Vietnam, but eyewitnesses refute his version of a number of the events that were the basis for receiving the commendations. Judicial Watch is asking the Department of Defense and the U.S. Navy, including its Department Board of Decorations and Medals, to look into the circumstances surrounding Kerry's awards.
Judicial Watch also is requesting an investigation of Kerry's anti-war activities. After he was released from active duty but while he was a commissioned officer in the inactive Naval Reserve, Kerry joined the anti-war group Vietnam Veterans Against the War and traveled to Paris to meet with delegations from North Vietnam and the Communist Viet Cong. He held a press conference in Washington, D.C., following the meeting and advocated the "peace proposal," which included war damage reparations, put forth by the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong. "The allegations concerning Kerry's conduct during the Vietnam War are credible, serious and shocking," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "The sooner an investigation begins, the better."
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Is Judicial Watch small enough to be ignored by the MSM?
I guess we'll find out.
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Upon the conclusion of the Viet Nam war, a study was done at the Pentagon concerning the criterion used by the services in recognizing âheroicâ action in a combat situation. In a nutshell, following Tet (Feb â68), there was a marked increase (explosion) in the type and number of awards. Not necessarily because there was an accompanying increase in heroic events, but rather there was a perceived need to create âheroesâ. What passed for âdoing oneâs jobâ became âgallantry in actionâ. Not all the services bought into the inflation program, with the Medal of Honor holding its unique status. The US Army and the Marines, for the most part, restrained the urge to âpassâem outâ while the USN and USAF were nearly tied for recognizing their own on every occasion. Even among the returning POWâs there was a distinct gap between what was considered âappropriateâ. The USAF and USN averaged seven and six awards per individual, while the US Army and Marines four. The most numerous medal issuedâ¦the Purple Heart.
A Marine once wrote following his tour in Nam:
Iâm reminded of Napoleonâs observation that he could get soldiers to risk their lives fighting his battles for nothing more than a piece of ribbon. But, there was a little of Napoleonâs soldier in all of us: we wanted to return home with at least one piece of ribbon.
I guess some of us were willing to pay any price to get itâ¦right Mr. Kerry!
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I wouldn't even bother with an investigation. Just expose his phony BS publicly and ridicule him publicly. There's other things more worthy of JW's time and money than Kerry's exaggerations/lies. The blogosphere is already doing a pretty good job of picking him apart.
A veteran who served with John Kerry in Vietnam testifies that the Democrat "risked his life to save mine" in a television ad his presidential campaign rolled out Thursday to counter a spot that claims Kerry lied about his war record. "All these Viet Cong were shooting at me," says Jim Rassmann, who was thrown off of the swift boat Kerry was manning. SEXIST!!! Personning perhaps, but NOT manning.
"I expected I'd be shot. When he pulled me out of the river, he risked his life to save mine." The 30-second ad argues that the Navy documented Kerry's "heroism and awarded him the Bronze Star but won't release all the records about it or Kerry's service." It also accuses Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which ran commercials in West Virginia, Ohio and Wisconsin, of being funded by President Bush's "big money supporters." The group is funded in part by Houston homebuilder Bob J. Perry, a GOP donor. Kerry aides said the ads would run in the same three states. However, as of early Thursday, the campaign had not bought airtime. By running ads this month, Kerry is deviating from his decision to forgo advertising until September to save money. Spending any now is a risk for Kerry, who must make his $75 million general election government check stretch five weeks longer than Bush, whose spending isn't limited until he accepts his party nomination. However, letting the attacks go unanswered in West Virginia, Ohio and Wisconsin could be even more costly for Kerry. The states are three of the most competitive and are home to socially conservative Democrats. An affiliate of liberal interest group MoveOn.org, which is funded in part by wealthy Democrats whose identities must remain secret, hit back with its own ads criticizing the veterans' claims in the three states. However, with his own ads, Kerry can precisely control the message of a surrogate because he is afraid to speak directly to the charges. Kerry is taking what ought to be a supporting strength of having served his country and turning it into the central focus of the campaign as a chance for everybody to refight Vietnam. It's starting to get under his skin, if he's ready to spend money on ads in the middle of August. Next the MSM will start to ask questions. This one has legs.
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I am a war hero, gosh darnit! You can't question me! You can't challenge me, sniff! I arranged everything! I planned for years and milked the system for the last 40! Sniff! I earned this! I wanna be President! Now! I'm supposed to be the President! It's all arranged! Waaaaaaaa!
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Rush just played the Kerry ad. They are now claiming that Kerry was wounded during that action and "He still carries a piece of shrapnel in his leg". Now, that should be easy to prove, eh Senator. Let's see the x-ray.
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According to the book Unfit for Command Kerry and Rassmann blew up some bails of rice and Kerry received a kernel of rice in his ass as a result because he couldn't get out of the way fast enough.
Kerry could prove a lot if he would belly up to the bar and open his military records like Bush did.
I hear the SwiftVets ads is starting to have an impact :).
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Shrapnel in his leg? Oh, get serious! We don't need an x-ray, just walk him through a blinkin' airport metal detector.
Arrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
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Dotcom, that RULES!
I've loved that since 2000 and the Sore-Loserman sign, too!
Not only is "Unfit for Command" at Number 1 both at Amazon and Barnes and Noble, but I pre-ordered the book 2 weeks ago and it's on backorder because so many of us can't wait to read it!
And I gave the Swift Vets $25 to keep running their ad.
Kerry's a liar and traitor who shouldn't get any closer to the Oval Office than a White House tour and even then, he should be watched by the Secret Service!
(And I thought the "shrapnel" was rice grains in his ass!)
Why tell a worse lie to cover up another lie?
The guy is PSYCHO.
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The release of this ad is an admission that the Swiftvets hit the target. The media now has to explain why this ad is in response to a story they have deliberately ignored. BWAhahahah!
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He has to spend limited campaign funds defending himself against an unlimited 527 group. I'm guessing Rove is laughing all the way to the bank.
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release the records, Senator! Oh, and your bank wife's tax records as well!
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Great pic, Fred!
I think that Kerry has created a Quagmire⢠for himself. He should have pencilled this one out before he played it. Some things just get legs, run around, and bite you in the ass.
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BOSTON (AP) - Fighting back, John Kerry called on the White House Thursday to condemn criticism of his Vietnam War record and released a television commercial featuring a veteran who says the Democratic presidential candidate "risked his life to save mine."
"All those Viet Cong were shooting at me. I expected to be shot. When he pulled me out of the river, he risked his life to save mine,' Jim Rassmann says in the 30-second commercial. According to everyone else there were no enemy fire..... and Kerry had fled the scene until he knew it was safe.
Kerry was wounded in Vietnam, and received five medals. But his service has recently come under question in commercials paid for by supporters of President Bush. I guess people who dont want someone who's entire career is based on fabrications and who engaged in borderline Treason might be called Bush supporters....
The White House has refused to call on backers of the ads to stop running them.
In remarks to cheering firefighters, Kerry said, "More than 30 years ago I learned an important lesson. When you're under attack the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attack. That's what I intend to do today." Is that why he is not answering the charges but instead attacking the messenger?
Kerry's campaign also arranged to have several members of his Navy swift boat crew attend the speech to firefighters.
The event Thursday was scripted to resemble Kerry's nationally televised acceptance speech, where veterans stood behind him. Staged... just like his 're-enactments' of his vietnam combat....
The new Kerry ad began airing in three states where an anti-Kerry veterans group has run a commercial claiming Kerry lied about the incident and other aspects of his military service.
Kerry's response came as The Washington Post reported that a Vietnam veteran who claims Kerry lied about being under fire during a Mekong Delta engagement that won Kerry a Bronze Star was under constant fire himself during the same skirmish, according to the man's own medal citation.
Thurlow, also like Kerry, commanded a Navy swift boat during the Vietnam War. He swore in an affidavit last month that Kerry was "not under fire" when he rescued Rassmann from the Bay Hap River.
Thurlow told the Post that he got the award for helping to rescue the boat that was mined. He said he believed his own award would be fraudulent if it was based on coming under enemy fire.
He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.
Members of Kerry's crew have said Kerry is telling the truth. Rassmann said he has vivid memories of enemies firing at him from both banks. Yet people 10' off the water could not see as well as he could from the waterline or Kerry could from 500+' or so away.
All Kerry has to do is release his military records like Bush had. Yet he refuses to do so. Doesn't it only take filling out one little form?
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"More than 30 years ago I learned an important lesson. When youâre under attack the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attack. Thatâs what I intend to do today."
You mean like you did not before you rescued Rassman?
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Carzy Horse, doesn't he have Super 8 video of reenactments of his exploits? Isn't that documentation enough for you?
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Female caller to Hannity just stated that when she called Borders in NJ, the person ansering the phone told her they would not get any more in nor order the book because, "There are not many things true in the book. We are also trying to 'recall' those we have already sold, though we don't expect to get many back.
BORDERS BOOKS, deserving of a Boycott, until all books authored by the Clintons are removed as well, because "There are not many things true" in those either!
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Funny he didn't give this speech in front of the VFW yesterday.
And they weren't "cheering firefighters". They were "cheering firefighter union hacks". My brother's a firefighter and he hasn't heard of one yet that's voting for this asshole.
Jed Babbin at NRO. First part is recap of demos trying to disenfranchise overseas military voter in the 2000 election. Just posting what is being done to prevent it from happening in 2004 election.
On March 17, Rumsfeld sent a memo to the Joint Chiefs and Combatant Commanders telling them how the services will make sure all military members — and their family members — who are overseas, or stationed here but are away from home, get the chance to vote, and vote so that no Mark Herrons can disenfranchise them. At the heart of Rumsfeld's plan is putting some teeth into the old Voting Assistance Officer idea. On top of it is a strategy — now underway — to use both the internet and the Postal Service effectively to help servicemen and their families request absentee ballots and get them returned in time to be counted. Last Friday, I spoke to Charlie Abell, principal deputy undersecretary of Defense for personnel and readiness. He's the guy who's leading the charge to protect the rights of military voters and their families.
Abell told me that this is a very high priority for DoD, because it's a very high priority for the troops and their families, who have a much higher voter turnout — proportionally — than the general population. He said, "We know from sampling from the Federal Election Commission [and other sources] that in year 2000, about 51 percent of the general public voted. We know from our surveys that about 75 percent of the worldwide uniformed services military...voted." Over the years, the DoD data show — unsurprisingly — that those who fight for the right to vote take that right more seriously than other Americans.
About 200,000 military personnel who tried to vote in 1988 didn't because they didn't get their absentee ballots at all, or got them too late to send them back in. Now absentee ballots will be separated from regular mail and sent both ways — to the soldier, and back to be counted — faster than the normal military mail. According to Abell, the Postal Service has agreed to pick up ballots directly from the local precincts and ballot offices, separate them into special containers, and send them by Priority Mail to the absentee military members. Return mail will work the same way. In the 2000 election, many military absentee ballots were disallowed because they lacked postmarks, which aren't a requirement. Now, to make sure there's no repeat of this chicanery, military postal workers are being ordered to hand-cancel every ballot that is sent out to show clearly when it was mailed. Sorry, Mr. Herron: You'll have to think up another scam this time.
Rumsfeld's initiative is trying to reach all 1.4 million active-duty members as well as 1.3 million military family members, the majority of whom are living away from home, either overseas or stateside. And this initiative is serious: Every military unit, small or large, has a Voting Assistance Officer whose job it is to let the soldiers know how they can get their absentee ballots, and then help them do so. Abell told me that the goal was for the ratio to be one Voting Assistance Officer for every unit of 25 to 50 people.
The plan's niftiest aspect is the use of the internet to enable soldiers to request absentee ballots — and then to download the actual ballot to fill out and send in. Right now, any soldier or family member can download the Federal Post Card Application from the government website designed to help all overseas voters and send it in. Better still, the Defense Department is getting all the state-ballot request forms and the ballots themselves loaded onto the system. Most of the states are cooperating by allowing internet and even faxed ballot requests.
Rumsfeld's memo says, "I want to ensure each service member is handed the Federal Post Card Application and is offered assistance in completing the form if needed." Voting Assistance Officers will help fill out the request forms and — when soldiers ask — help them properly fill out and mail back the actual ballots. Rumsfeld has tasked the commanders to designate October 11-15 as Absentee Voting Week. If the ballots are mailed by October 15, they'll all be where they need to be in time to be counted. And that is the ultimate goal.
That goal will conflict directly with the coming repeats of the Herron Florida scam. If you think the Dems won't attack military absentee ballots in 2004, think again. Military voters are more Republican than Democrat, and much more conservative than liberal. The Dems know that, and I don't doubt that they will do this year what they tried to do in 2000.
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Priority Mail? Oh Shait!
Last time I used that, it took over 2 months for a [regular sized] package to get from Washington State to California.....
Democratic Senator John Kerry launched an all-out counterattack Thursday on fellow Vietnam war veterans who say he embellished his combat record, a key part of his bid for the White House. Kerry charged that those critics, who go by "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," were "a front" for US President George W. Bush and demanded that the incumbent heed calls to repudiate the group's accusations. "The fact that the president won't denounce what they're up to tells you everything you need to know: He wants them to do his dirty work," the lawmaker told a firefighters' union that was the first major labor group to endorse him. "The president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: Bring it on!" he said, to approving roars from the crowd.
And in the same breath, he denounced the smear tactics of MoveOn.org and "America Coming Together". And then his lips fell off.
Bush served in the national guard in the United States during the war -- frequently a way to avoid service in Vietnam -- but a group opposing his reelection has charged that he used family connections to dodge combat and then failed to report for duty for a months-long period. Kerry, who won three Purple Hearts for wounds received in combat, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for bravery, has used his service as a gunboat commander to bolster his credentials on national security, a vital issue in the November 2 election. Members of his crew -- dubbed the "band of brothers" -- frequently appear at rallies to tell stories of his heroism, and are prominently featured in the candidate's television advertisements, which also use dramatic war footage.
But one Democratic pollster, who requested anonymity, recently told AFP that the commercial by "Swift Boats Veterans for Truth" showed significant power in shaping swing voters' opinion of Kerry, posing a threat to his campaign. The ad, which hit the airwaves this month, features veterans accusing Kerry of exaggerating his bravery in the war, lying to get at least one of his Purple Hearts, and lying to get his Bronze Star. The group also charges that, by testifying against the war when he returned to the United States and alleging that US soldiers had committed wartime atrocities, Kerry betrayed US forces still in Vietnam.
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So when O'Neill debated you on TV in the early 70s, that was part of a George W. Bush conspiracy as well? I doubt O'Neill had ever HEARD of GWB at the time.
Next.
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good job JF'nK! Keep this in the headlines!
Release your records and it could all go away
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08/19/2004 12:07 Comments ||
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Kerry charged that those critics, who go by "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," were "a front" for US President George W. Bush and demanded that the incumbent heed calls to repudiate the groupâs accusations.
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#1 - No, Nixon and Chuck Colson set that up. Documented in Nixon's tapes and confirmed by Colson. Nothing wrong with the guy being a GOP operative, but you wonder why he keeps denying it.
Seriously, the guy's had two times in the public eye, and they both have to do with exposing Kerry as a fraud. I suspect the common thread is Kerry, not the political party of Kerry's opponents'.
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"The fact that the president wonât denounce what theyâre up to tells you everything you need to know: He wants them to do his dirty work,"
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I wonder if Karl Rove is doing his best Monty Burns:
Excellent,Smithers,... Excellent!
Still waiting to see if this story is part of the RNC Cabels "checkmate" moves or a "brilliant deception" by the Kerry camp to keep the discussion off his awful Senate record.
It's 4th quarter, sportsfans...this one is going down to the wire...
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VAMark, I understand taht O'Neill was and continues to be a Democrat who backed Edwards in the primaries and hoped not to have to "out" Kerry at all. He failed to oppose Kerry or provide endorsements to Kerry's Republican opponents for all offices other than the office of Commander-in-Chief.
Why would Bush admit that O'Neill is a Republican puppet when he demonstrably isn't one? If O'Neill is a stealth Republican, I'm sure a media member will publish the contents of whatever Kerry has on him.
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VFW members were a lot nicer to John Kerry than he was to them in 1971, when he accused Vietnam veterans of war crimes "on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.'' But when he said, "For 35 years I have fought and kept the faith with our veterans,'' it was more than some could take.
About 50 to 100 veterans walked out before Kerry spoke, said Vietnam veteran and Bush supporter Gene Watts of Columbus, a former Ohio state senator. And in the Massachusetts delegation - Kerry's home state - two Vietnam vets stood and turned their backs on Kerry for his entire speech. Before Kerry showed up a half-hour late, some in the Massachusetts delegation planned to walk out. "I told our group to show respect, we want to hear what he has to say,'' said Massachusetts state Commander Robert VanKirk.
So some vets just stayed away. Twelve minutes before Kerry was supposed to speak, it was announced: "There are still many seats up front.'' "I've already heard him, and I am not impressed,'' said one boycotter, Anthony Albano of New Jersey. "To me, he's an 'I' and 'me' man.''
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I know of NO VETS that support Kerry period. I do have a moon bat in the office across from me though who lectured me this morning on how the Vietnam War was wrong though.
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I do have a moon bat in the office across from me though who lectured me this morning on how the Vietnam War was wrong though.
It was wrong in the sense that if we were going to fight that war, we should have fought it to win, instead of fighting not to lose.
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As a kid, I spent many a night at the "VF" with my Dad (Korean Vet). Now I'm active duty with 26 years behind me and will serve to 30. How any VFW member can even THINK of voting for bush is just beyond me and anyone in uniform who dares say so (not many do). He ran the other way when his country called and dadd cia bush got him out. We all know this, everyone knows this. Yet people are so "this part or that" minded, that they cannot pull their head out of the ground.
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Anonymous6122, What branch of service? The US wussy command? I bet my retirement check that you DON'T represent the majority of Veterans. I work with many groups in California and I have yet to find ONE person Active or Retired that is voting for John Friggin Kerry. Since you are quoting from the liberal que card, so I bet you are some pussy self-loathing swine of a soldier/sailor/airmen. I pity you.
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John Kerry spent 4 fucking months in Viet Nam. My buddies spent 1 or 2 years in Viet Nam. They don't blow their own horns and go on how they are "heros." They don't even talk about it. Fuck Kerry. He called my friends baby killers. I know no real vets that support this assclown. Anonymous6122 if you were real you wouldn't be anonymous. Go back to ./ and moveon.org where you came from. If we had moderation here you would be marked TROLL.
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Fuck Senator horsehead. He will be remembered in the minds of Nam Vets and history books of the future as a grandstanding coward, who wrote his own embellished reports and who then came home and dishonored his flag, country and uniform and fucked over all Nam Vets for all time.
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26 years active?
Let me go ask my guys who has that kind of time in service. There are not too many that go past 20, and damned few past 24.
You ready to be exposed Anon? You're an imposter. I rather doubt you are a general officer, and few enlisted pull that many years.
As for the VFW, come on over to any of the posts I know. Or the Legion halls. THey'd set you right. And nobody I knows calls it "The VF" (i.e. you are making shit up).
As for Bush: at least he did serve, honorably - so says his DD-214 and his OERs, and he didn't falsify any of the documents - and on top of that he released his records.
Unlike Kerry who gundecked his medals, and has yet to release his records.
Records Counter a Critic of Kerry
Fellow Skipper's Citation Refers To Enemy Fire
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 19, 2004; Page A01
Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics [the Post isn't interested in obtaining Kerry's records apparently], who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict [as later explained in the article, the military records may have been influenced by Kerry's puff up of this incident - the citation in question is written by a person who had access both to the account of the Kerry critic as well as the account of Kerry but the citation was not written by an eyewitness - ] his own version of events...
Of note here is that the WashPost headers misleadingly spin the story to Kerry's advantage and bury information in the narrative that might point to the fact that Kerry's dishonest after action account may be the problem.
In the short run this is good for Kerry - both for fundraising and for his poll numbers. In the long run... well, I guess we'll find out.
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Look how the WaPo goes into details about Thurlow's not opening up his records (He isn't running for president) while completely ignoring Kerry's refusal (and Kerry *is* running for pres).
Sounds like some of that stuff from a Brown Book (giving military, personal and medical details on the swiftvets) mentioned in an earlier Rantburg posting...
For much of the episode, Kerry was not in a position to know firsthand what was happening on Thurlow's boat, as Kerry's boat had sped down the river after the mine exploded under another boat. He later returned to provide assistance to the stricken boat.
Translation: Kerry fled with his tail between his legs (yelp! yelp! yelp! yelp!...) until it was safe for him to come back as the 'Hero'....
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For much of the episode, Kerry was not in a position to know firsthand what was happening on Thurlow's boat, as Kerry's boat had sped down the river after the mine exploded under another boat. He later returned to provide assistance to the stricken boat.
The incident in question was many years ago. There may have been some minimal fire from the shore or from the ships to the shore and Thurlow may have interpreted the minimal fire as 'quiet' and Kerry may have interpreted the minimal fire as 'under fire'.
However the quote above raises lots of questions. As I recall, the VC didn't use mines very extensively for one thing. For another, if a mine went off, why would you accelerate your boat?
Anyway, the big story is the way the Post is being Kerry's bitch.
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the military records may have been influenced by Kerryâs puff up of this incident - the citation in question is written by a person who had access both to the account of the Kerry critic as well as the account of Kerry but the citation was not written by an eyewitness
It looks like Kerry wrote the after action report. When that reached their HQ, staff officer read it, decided the action deserved medals, kicked it over to whoever was tasked with writing citations that day, they just pulled a few details off the after action report (Kerry's), and used it to write both awards. I've read several awards given for the same event and it's just a (insert name here) type of award.
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"As I recall, the VC didn't use mines very extensively for one thing."
I hope you mean naval mines, because some preposterous percentage of US injuries in Vietnam were from landmines.
As for the whole Thurlow thing, I don't understand why he's supposed to be embarrassed. He says that the citation is overblown, and that he wasn't as brave as his records indicate. How is this discrediting? If you believe the records, he's being self-effacing and humble. If you believe him, the account that made it into the records was inflated and overblown without his knowledge.
Either way, the whole article only reinforces my previous impression of metal inflation and exaggeration in that war, driven by gloryhounds like Kerry.
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The "mainstream" media is becoming unglued. I already hear the laughing on talk radio (Ingraham, Rush, Hannity, etc.) about the fact that editorial pages are covering this even though it hasn't been covered in the regular "news" pages. How odd is that?
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Here's the explaination: Thurlow said Commander George Elliott wrote up the citation for his Bronze Star and Kerry's on March 23, largely based on Kerry's after-action report. Thurlow's citation included a witness from another boat, but only Kerry's report refers to enemy fire, he said. It was the custom to file only one after-action report for an incident, Thurlow noted.
"So the one and only report, which George accepted at face value, was this cock-and-bull story about coming 5,000 meters under intense fire to get Rassman," he said. Thurlow said he was unaware of his medal until two to three months after returning home to Kansas April 22, 1969.
Which is why he didn't question the citation, he was out and just filed it away.
He said the first time he saw Kerry's after-action report was this year in Washington, D.C.
"When I looked at that, it actually made me chuckle," Thurlow said. "What a story."
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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Farms lie untended and workshops stand silent in an Iranian village after the theft of its 1,300-year-old copy of the Koran, Islam's holy book, state television reports.
Hundreds of villagers from Negel, in Kurdistan province on the Iraqi border, have held a week-long protest at the village mosque demanding officials hunt down the thieves and return the leather-bound Koran to its rightful home.
"The village is dead without its Koran," said one young woman dressed in the all-enveloping black chador.
war on teror in simple if you are use em rite methods. some day maybe chainey is figure that out.
The missing Koran, which is written in the angular kufar Kufic script with gilded page borders, dates from the 7th century, Iran's Tourism and Cultural Heritage Foundation told Reuters.
Hundreds of Negel women were shown now that is surprize protesting outside the village's mosque, wailing and reciting the Koran while brandishing black banners of mourning. "The mourning will continue until the book is found," one of the women said.
The same book went missing in 1992, but the robbers were found after a four-month hunt. The Koran's return prompted rapturous celebrations.
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This isn't the only "theft of a Koran" or "destruction of old religious library" story Rantburg has run in the past couple of years. It kinda makes me wonder about the motive for people trying to steal or destroy early copies of the Koran...
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Iran's conservative-controlled parliament yesterday blocked a plan to define political crimes which would have clarified the status of political prisoners, said the student news agency ISNA. The parliament, or Majlis, blocked a proposal that asked the government to give a legal definition of political crimes.
"They're what we say they are, that's what they are!"
The proposal had been put forward by the reformist government before most reformists were barred from contesting elections last February and they subsequently lost their majority. Human rights activists say a legal definition of political crimes is required so that those who are convicted because of their political beliefs are not punished under common law. "If political crime was defined, many of those who are imprisoned today for undermining state security would be free today," legal expert Ali Najafi Tavana told ISNA.
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Statute 156 E-T-507. TURBAN PRESENTATION
When a citizen wraps his turban improperly, praise Allah, he shall receive 40 lashes, praise Allah, and because this is considered subversive, praise Allah, he shall then be buried up to his neck and stoned. It is written.
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âIf political crime was defined, many of those who are imprisoned today for undermining state security would be free today,â legal expert Ali Najafi Tavana told ISNA.
Personally, I don't think it really matters much; when the highest authority in the land is a cleric the likes of Khamenei, any written law isn't going to be worth the paper it's printed on.
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This reminds me very little of the old Soviet Union's rule of law. Essentially, what you do is make so many different types of behavior illegal that everybody is guilty of something. All that remains is for them to come and arrest you at the time of their choosing.
So it is in Iran. Without any clear delineation of what constitutes political crime, the definition of it remains completely arbitrary and is subject to the arbiter's whim. Another good analogy would be the Middle Ages. Since the Bible was printed only in Latin, the commoner usually could not read it and was subject to whatever interpretation was decided upon by whichever authority. The potential for abuse of power was effectively unlimited.
Iran is clearly a proponent of stone age mentality. I say let's bomb them back to the stone age so that their environment and thinking will match. Symmetry has a beauty all its own.
TEHRAN: Iran's conservative parliament is preparing designs for national Islamic costumes to combat the corrupting influence of Western fashion, a prominent MP said on Wednesday. "We have to design new trends within the framework of an Islamic dress code. Both men and women need a national costume," Emad Afroogh, head of the parliamentary cultural commission, told student news agency ISNA. He added that a national fashion reform bill had been put before the parliament's research centre for approval. The move comes after the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warned the nation in July about a "cultural invasion" and the dangers of imitating foreigners, asserting that Iranians needed to design their own styles.
And I'm sure it'll be very becoming. In a grain sack kind of way.
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I recommend red rubber noses and big floppy shoes.
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Princess Leia: The tighter you close your grip, Lord Vader, the more teenage girls will slip through your fingers and start wearing thong underwear.
Eleven people were reported killed Thursday in fighting in the separatist Georgian region of South Ossetia as Georgia and Russia continued to joust over who was to blame for the conflict. Speaking on television, Interior Minister Iraki Orkuashvili said there was heavy fighting in the region overnight and said Georgian troops had killed and recovered the bodies of eight Cossacks fighting with South Ossetian rebels.
"We could tell they were Cossacks. They were wearing those hats..."
The corpses however were not seen by independent sources, and a spokeswoman for the breakaway South Ossetia administration denied the Georgian claim.
"Nope. Nope. Never happened. Nope."
"The Georgian interior minister's statement that eight Cossacks were killed near Tskhinvali last night is not true," spokeswoman Irina Gagloyeva said, quoted by Interfax news agency.
"Maybe the were Kazaks. Or Veps. Or Urdmurts. But they weren't Cossacks."
Gagloyeva told AFP that two local police officers were wounded in the fighting but "no one was killed." Separately, Georgia revised downward its own earlier report that six Georgian troops were killed in the fighting, saying that in fact only three had died. An unnamed Georgian defense ministry official quoted by Interfax news agency said seven servicemen were also wounded, two of them seriously.
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The Caucasian region is as muddled as the Balkans. A lot of swords and "Funny hats", plus, Stalin was supposedly an ethnic Ossetian, which is either pride or shame depending on the Ossetian you talk to. Plus, Ossetia is divided in two, North Ossetia is part of Russia, and South is part of Georgia. Then you have the divide between Christians and Moslems there too. This is a total mess.
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Ms. Chumley needs to get a grip! In her âchicken littleâ rant, she posits that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), by virtue of their membership in the WOSM will soon fall under the sway of that organization because:
âThe United Nations Environment Program has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the World Organization of the Scout Movement, committing nearly 30 million children and youth to advancing this U.N. body's environmental agenda.â
Nothing could be farther from the truth!
The BSA, WOSM and member organizations have long been at odds over issues central to the existence of the BSA, as we know it.
A series of pronouncements, by the WOSM, concerning their âprogressiveâ view of how the BSA falls short can be found at: http://www.bsa-discrimination.org/index.html
Key to their concern is the BSA ââ¦25+ years refer(ence) to the central issue of their exclusionary policy as the "3 G's" (gays, girls and the godless),â
In these three areas, the BSA has held firm and is supported by judgments handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court. And I donât see any movement on the environmental scene that will result, as Ms. Chumley fears:
âThe Boy Scouts of Americaâs newest merit badge is surely to include the U.N. emblem.â
Rather, I believe the BSA, will continue to follow their own well established code for dealing with the out of doors:
Outdoor Code
As an American, I will do my best to
Be clean in my outdoor manners,
Be careful with fire,
Be considerate in the outdoors, and
Be conservation-minded.
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You're right that the BSA is well-equipped to fight their own battles, and does a great job at keeping their soverenity. These stories are worth keeping an eye on regardless; my fear is that the BSA will cave a little here and a little there until it ultimately becomes unrecognizable. Time will tell.
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I see them at the buffet lines on Wednesday night Mr. 4Doo, Chumley is in good shape but has been forced by circumstance into being Mr. Tuxedo's prime mover. It's sad to see a penguin in a wheel chair.
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Many thanks, Fahad. I have now found my dreamgirl. Cute name and real 'looker' aint she...
I can't take my mind off her. I'm smitten. Any stateside RB'ers help me hook-up?
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08/19/2004 8:48 Comments ||
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that's Forrest Whitaker! Got the eye fixed...
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She is in Telemarketing too Howard.
To bad my cats arse os better looking.
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The funniest ones are the American girls that have converted to Islam. They're all ugly as sin...Look at the one with the hijab and the lazy eye! God, these people are crazy! Only in America...
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"Parents seeking bridegroom for daughter who is a medical resident 3 year, Internal medicine in New York, USA." This SH*^ should be ilegal.
I am sure your medical resident daughter is just so freeking excited you are going to marry her off to some goat breathed assbite who found your "free" advert on the internet.
I also note all the "single mothers" who have been abandoned by their "rightous muslim" husbands. Ladies get a clue these posers are all sexists with definite proclitivites of running off on you with Abdul to pack fudge and "carry out holy war" instead of protecting you and providing for you and your all to numerous kids.
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Interesting redefinition of noblesse oblige into the liberal elitist 'racism' that the sad pathetic brown and black skinned peoples of the world bear no responsibility for their lot and, in fact, can't succeed without the guiding hand of benevolent white liberals.
Damn. Harsh. He's saying there is no end to their arrogance - and ignorance. He knows they really have no clue why shit happens - and are thus limited to pointless social falderol and endless wasted time, motion, and resources in response to every ill they encounter. He's condemning them as truly foolish twits, idiots, and fools. He nails them to the wall. Damn. Harsh. He's substantially right.
Slightly off topic: I watched the movie "The Lovely" tonight and I was struck at what an accurate portrayal it was of the Paris/NY/Hollywood 20th Century mindset. And how it so accurately describes what a "retro" 20th Century lie that today's leftists so desperately want to live in.
I was also struck by just how completely out of touch these Paris/NY/Hollywood folks really are. And the theater was full of wannabees that somehow felt their lives were made more interesting by sitting in the theater and somehow believing, that- by watching this movie of excess, money,fame and self-destructive behavior - and then having Thai food afterward - that they too were avante guarde, just like the protagonist. Not like those boring, religious, family-oriented people who eat hot dogs and have to struggle to get by. No sireee..they were wild-things too!
It reminded me of a woman I knew who had a gambling problem. She wanted to quit - but going to the casinos made her feel daring and special. If she stopped going to the casinos, she was just another boring housewife.
There's a line in The Lovely, where the main character's life is falling apart and he feels the need to even trash it further by pissing off his very best friends .... His friend says, "I think you're trying very hard to be bad."
For some reason, I just thought the whole movie summed up the delusion of the left.
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only to those blinded by it
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08/19/2004 8:45 Comments ||
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A viewer of the left once said that the define diversity as having a conference where black Marxists, white Marxists, red Marxists and brown Marxists of both male and female gender are all prominent.
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Sylwester appears to have had urine in his Wheaties today. Who's responsible?
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B - Remember The Big Chill?
At the beginning is the memorial service for a guy named Alex, who committed suicide... There's an old country preacher (his church is being used for the service) who didn't know Alex, and is genuinely puzzled by anyone committing suicide. He makes a a statement which is, for me, fairly close to the ultimate statement and question for mankind. He is asking, rhetorically, where Alex's "hope" went and how did he lose it. Then he asks:
"Isn't it enough just to be a good man among your fellow men, anymore?"
Why, yes. Yes it is. That's precisely the point of it all. Be a good man / woman, in spite of the myriad BS reasons, laments, complaints, distractions, time wasters, cause du jour, foolish pursuits, peer and societal pressure, and carefully crafted studies and articles which, whether well-intentioned or mercenary, actually have little or nothing to do with individual self-esteem and happiness.
#8
"The Left" is a rather vague expression. In the posted article, the author seems to use the expression as a two-word synonym for "total stupidity and absolute evil." The author might have a more precise interpretation of the expression, but I didn't perceive it.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester ||
08/19/2004 9:47 Comments ||
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#9
Mike appears to be in denial. Over what, I'm not sure.
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
08/19/2004 10:28 Comments ||
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#11
I have an interesting theory about the hate-Bush left. (deal with it, Mike). If you dig deep enough, they usually had some kind of physical challenge (perceived or real) that caused them to be picked on as children. They were bow-legged, or cross eyed, too fat, too short or just plain felt picked on and outside of the âin-crowdâ. As a result, they find solace in sniping at those whom they feel are well adjusted, and in control, as if to say, âsure, you may think youâre cool and accepted, but I, and my friends like Michael Moore and the NYT say you are stupid! Thus no matter how successful you are or much success you have, Iâll always be better than you. I could go on and tie in their need for pre-packaged rageâ¦but Iâm already wasting bandwidth.
Sure you can point to people on âthe rightâ who are doing this tooâ¦.but right now the Anti-Bush crowd has the media acting as their big brother and with that powerful segment of society backing them up, they are really soaking in a smuggness and sense of superiority they get by feeling bigger than the most successful man on the planet. GW. The more he succeeds, the bigger they are to think that they are bigger than him.
Posted by: B ||
08/19/2004 11:09 Comments ||
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#12
oops..left out an end quote and comma or two.. Someone send me my paycheck and Iâll go back and fix it.
Posted by: B ||
08/19/2004 11:12 Comments ||
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#13
I have a theory about the anti-Bush folks as well (similar to B's but slightly different).
My crazy lefty Aunt went on a rant about how Bush was a frat boy! I pointed out Kerry was in the same Fraternity at the same University so if she's gonna use frat boy as a put down she's nailing him. She couldn't get her mind around it because Bush acts like the party-boy frat stereo type some people absolutely hate that. He gets under their skin because he's popular and successful without seeming to try. You must at least Try to look like you're trying! Even if its easy.
#14
..."the French have a term for this; they call it noblesse oblige..."the inferred obligation of people of high rank or social position to behave nobly or kindly toward others..."
Even if a gang beats the crap out of you, you think you have to behave kindly. Isn't that plain ol' masochism?
But ok, whatever. Why are they obliged? What is their motivation?
Leftists are self-anointed saviors, enlightened elites that will bring about a new golden age for mankind if only the American people will embrace their ideas and vote their candidates into office.
(my emphasis)
Yep. Just as I thought. So when exactly does Utopia go out of fashion again? Does it work like the 17-year locust cycle?
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