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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Hey Sarge, what's that smell?
British scientists are developing a robot that will generate its own power by eating flies. The idea is to produce electricity by catching flies and digesting them in special fuel cells that will break down sugar in the insects' skeletons and release electrons that will drive an electric current.
Posted by: James || 09/09/2004 10:12 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wonder if they'll name the robot "Seymour"?
Posted by: Pappy || 09/09/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||

#2  We could solve Caliphornia's power problem at one feed lot on I-5.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#3  No Pappy. The robot's name is Carville.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Should work pretty well in Saudi Arabia with it's limitless sources of fly fuel.
Posted by: GK || 09/09/2004 16:22 Comments || Top||


Two-legged dog learns to walk upright
Apologies if this's been featured on the 'burg before and I missed it. Apparently this critter "scares the cats". She'd scare the bejesus out of me if I wasn't expecting her...
A two-legged dog that has learned to walk like a human could be considered for a role in the next Harry Potter film, according to reports. Faith's owners in Oklahoma City in the US believe the part could involve her appearing as the result of a spell. But the Stringfellow family said British trainers working on the film had not yet confirmed a part for Faith, who was born with the disability. The three-foot tall dog even has her own showbiz lawyer. The 19-month-old labrador-chow cross was adopted by the Stringfellows as a three-week old puppy in danger of being rejected by her mother and put down. She was suffering from a birth defect that meant her front legs were not fully formed. Over six months the family taught her to stand, hop and eventually walk and run on her two back legs. Part of her therapy included being put on a skateboard to experience movement, the Stringfellows told a US newspaper. When her partial front legs began to weaken and die she had an operation to have them removed.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/09/2004 11:06:15 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  poor faith. thisn nother example peples who are try to exploit those with birth defect and handicaps. >:(
Posted by: muck4doo || 09/09/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#2  A portent. The end is nigh.
Posted by: Howard UK || 09/09/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||


Ivan Pummels Caribbean, Kills at Least 15
By HAROLD QUASH Associated Press Writer September 9th, 2004
Hurricane Ivan pummeled Grenada, Barbados and other islands with its devastating winds and rains, causing at least 15 deaths, before setting a direct course for Jamaica, Cuba and the hurricane-weary southern United States. The most powerful hurricane to hit the Caribbean in 10 years damaged 90 percent of the homes in the "spice isle" of Grenada and destroyed a 17th century stone prison that left criminals on the loose as looting erupted, officials said Wednesday.

Ivan strengthened early Thursday to become a Category 5 on a scale of 5. It packed sustained winds of 160 mph with higher gusts as it passed north of the Dutch Caribbean islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao.

Some escaped convicts included politicians jailed for 20 years for killings in a 1983 left-wing palace coup that led the United States to invade Grenada. American medical students fearful of marauders armed themselves with knives and sticks. "We are terribly devastated ... It's beyond imagination," Prime Minister Keith Mitchell said from aboard a British Royal Navy vessel that rushed to the rescue.
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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/09/2004 6:40:20 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The NOAA / NWS Page with maps and details.
Posted by: Anonymous6372 || 09/09/2004 9:14 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Bahrain: citizenship help plan for children
Posted by: Steve White || 09/09/2004 12:07:20 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


China-Japan-Koreas
Once a Century' Floods Kill 172 in China
Just you wait til that dam blows ...
China's Sichuan province faced the threat of epidemics on Wednesday after the worst flooding in a century killed at least 172 people and left scores missing, while water levels at the huge Three Gorges Dam swelled. Villages in Hubei province along the Yangtze River downstream of the dam braced for disaster, but officials declared the world's largest hydroelectric project ready to cope with the floodwaters.
Finished caulking the cracks, did they?
Police and People's Liberation Army soldiers were bringing relief to 6,000 stranded residents of Dazhou city in southwestern Sichuan and other areas trying to recover from what the official Xinhua news agency described as a "catastrophe which is not likely to happen in a century." Most of the deaths in Sichuan and Chongqing municipality to the east were caused by landslides, fast-moving mud-and-rock flows and flash floods sweeping through mountain valleys from Thursday to Monday, Xinhua said. Officials put the number of injured in the two places at 13,200. Hubei was on flood alert with increased patrols along dams on the Yangtze as the Three Gorges Dam would be challenged on Wednesday by the largest flood peak since 1998, Xinhua said. Massive plumes of water have been spewing from the floodgates to ease pressure from the floodwaters. "The dam is very safe," an official at the Yangtze River Three Gorges Navigational Bureau told Reuters, adding that it was designed to handle twice the peak water flows.
He then excused himself, and he and his family could later be seen loading their possessions onto a truck.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/09/2004 12:34:33 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Very safe" => start packing.
"Safe" => start running
"Safe for now" => start speeding
"No immediate danger" => hijack the next available plane
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/09/2004 4:09 Comments || Top||

#2  "Designed to handle twice the peak water flows" => Find an Ark quick.
Posted by: Charles || 09/09/2004 7:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Is it just me, or do these "hundred-year floods" seem to come every twenty-five to thirty years? There was a big flood in the mid-Seventies in that section of China that blew out every dam in the region. It was the recent history cited by critics of the Three Gorges as to why megadams are of dubious wisdom in that area.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 09/09/2004 8:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Millions of Chinese Give the Three Gorges Dam the Finger!

A crack Dutch dike team is heading to China to train the multitudes on the "index finger" technique of dam reinforcement.
Posted by: RN || 09/09/2004 8:48 Comments || Top||


Europe
Belgium considers euthanasia for children
Both Super Hose and Korora posted a link for this, but the Reuters link rotted. Below is a link I found on Google that seems to work for now.

What slippery slope?
Belgian lawmakers belonging to Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt's ruling Flemish Liberal party have introduced a bill seeking to expand the country's controversial euthanasia legislation to include minors.
"Just think of it as post-natal abortion..."
Senators Jeannine Leduc and Paul Wille said in the bill that terminally ill children and teenagers had as much right to choose when they wanted to die as anyone else. "Their suffering is as great (and) the situation they face is as intolerable and inhumane," the senators' bill read on Wednesday. A controversial law decriminalising euthanasia came into force in Belgium in September 2002. Patients wishing to end their lives must be conscious when the application is made and repeat their request for euthanasia. Their doctor must fill in a form and consult another physician before making a final decision. Wille and Leduc now also want to include "assisted suicide" in the current legislation as they feel patients often want to end their lives themselves.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/09/2004 12:56:44 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Coming soon: pediatric assisted suicide. Will there be parental notification?
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 4:27 Comments || Top||

#2  We want pedophiles like this as allies in the fight against Islamofascism? Sounds like they've already joined the other side.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 7:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Children aren't competent to make decisions. That's why they're NOT FUCKING ADULTS!

I'm not religious, I'm not even Christian, but on euthanasia I'm with the evangelicals. It's a form of predation on the depressed and vulnerable by the ghoulishly well-meaning and scary control-freaks.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 09/09/2004 8:45 Comments || Top||

#4  What is interesting is that this is a very Catholic country especially the Flemish part. The Belgian Cardinal Geofrey Daneels is one of the favorites for next Pope. All this will do is make the CDC (Catholic Democratics - center right) and Vlamsblok - (right/right) more appealing. Vlamsblok has 33% of Flemish vote already even though they are being kept out of government. To me this will be reverse very soon and Belgium will turn right just like Denmark and the Netherlands are doing - all because of this LLL sicko cultural politics, immigration and the WoT.
Posted by: Jack is Back || 09/09/2004 9:09 Comments || Top||

#5  IIRC, wasn't there a story recently about the demographic effects of abortion on electoral trends? From a long term view, this sort (Euthanizing Children!!!) of stupidity is ultimately self limiting.

When considererd beside the Euros reaction to the Belsan(sp?) atrocity, this sort of thing should neither surprise or shock. It should only horrify and dissapoint.
Posted by: N Guard || 09/09/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#6  I am sure they didn't have in mind the money they will save on those ill children. Never thought about that. Not a minute
Posted by: JFM || 09/09/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#7  ...And think of the money you'd save bumping off the oldies once they've become useless. And the space to be saved! Goodbye musty old granny flat; hello home office! Permanently disburdening oneself of old folk ought to be in the Charter of Human Rights! Great for the demographically challenged, too!

Euthanasia: making life easier for the survivors. Brought to you by the EU EUthanasia Advancement Project.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/09/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#8  Belgium is to Catholicism as Jenna Jameson is to Mother Teresa.

Do more than one in twenty non-muslim Belgians still attend mass?
Posted by: lex || 09/09/2004 17:43 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Bobby Fischer Defeats Deportation Order
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 02:02 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As an American, I hope that his fight against deportation is sucessful. I really don't want to see my tax dollars spent on prosecuting him. I am satisfid to allow him to continue to live as a neo-version of the Man Without a Country.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 2:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Next up death.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/09/2004 7:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Who cares? He's still in a Japanese Immigration detention facility. Jail is jail. I sure hope he likes rice. I bet he loses 40 lbs in jail, I know I dropped 20 in Japan (I'm not fat either), just from the diet change.
Posted by: gromky || 09/09/2004 10:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Shipman, the depth of your gig continues to amaze me. Enjoyed the appearance of Shamu with the request for Canadian bacon. Made me think that someday Shamu will request swimmers to pack lettuce in the pockets of their swimsuits to help with his regularity. :-)
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 12:20 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL SH. I owe it all to Nat Lamp... Recall a parody ad offering Fischers talents in chess to fight death... and they did a good pre-photoshop montage of Fischer and the death fella from the 7th Seal.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/09/2004 15:29 Comments || Top||

#6  I have always hoped that I inpsired your Shamu character. The thought of Shamu causing havok on different websites like the SNL character Land Shark amuses me greatly.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 17:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Chess champions are all nuts. But also mad geniuses. I get pleasure from replaying their games and trying to see when the trap is going to snap shut. Leave him alone. We all have more important things to be doing.
Posted by: DLS || 09/09/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||

#8  DLS, do you think that he just forgot to submit his pardon package during the great Clinton jailbreak or is he playing a deeper game?
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 19:02 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Nightline to cover forgeries tonight.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 22:26 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  From the blogosphere (Powerline and LGF) to the mainstream media in, what, less than 12 hours from a standing start?

Damn!
Posted by: Mike || 09/09/2004 23:51 Comments || Top||


1972 Email Casts Doubt on Bush Guard Service
(2004-09-09) -- CBS reporter Dan Rather today released the text of a recently discovered email from then-Lt. George W. Bush's Air National Guard commanding officer which casts more doubt upon the military service of the man who would become the 43rd President of the United States.

The revelation of the email comes just hours after questions were raised about the authenticity of typewritten memos from the same officer, shown yesterday by Mr. Rather on 60 Minutes.

According to the previously unseen email message sent in May 1972 by squadron commander Jerry Killian, Lt. Bush phoned Col. Killian because "his internet connection was on the fritz and he couldn't IM me."

Lt. Bush apparently wanted to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

According to Col. Killian's email, the young Bush wanted to go to Alabama to work as webmaster for a Republican candidate's website.

Mr. Rather said the authenticity of the 32-year-old email has been confirmed by several Nigerian officials who specialize in electronic funds transfer by email.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 7:30:11 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mrs D. - How many millions has Dan "Kenneth" Rather "invested" with the Nigerians?
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 20:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Mrs D - gotta put the
"scrappleface alert" at the top for the Murats and NMM's of the world ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 20:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't think the 1972 email was enough, eh?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 20:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Don't think the 1972 email was enough, eh?

Heh, some people aren't, you know, "hip". ;)
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/09/2004 22:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey, the first email was sent in 1971:
http://openmap.bbn.com/~tomlinso/ray/firstemailframe.html
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 09/09/2004 22:04 Comments || Top||

#6  Mrs D - it's already trackbacked to 2200 posts on the DU heh heh
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 22:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Dan Rather, through his investigation, discovered that this email had been sent over wi-fi network over cable broadband.

Now that is good sleuthing from Dementia Dan.
Posted by: Capt America || 09/09/2004 22:27 Comments || Top||

#8  What was the frequency, Kenneth?
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 22:30 Comments || Top||


W.House Accuses Kerry, Surrogates of Guard Attacks
COLMAR, Pa. (Reuters) - The White House on Thursday accused Democrat John Kerry and his surrogates of instigating a new attack on President Bush's Vietnam-era National Guard service because Kerry is dropping in opinion polls.

Bush also accused Kerry of refusing to reveal the true impact of his spending promises and said the Democratic presidential nominee would have to increase taxes broadly to pay for what the Bush campaign has calculated as $2 trillion in new spending.

"America will reject the hidden Kerry tax plan," Bush told supporters.

After weeks of Republican criticism of Kerry's decorated war service in Vietnam, Democrats tried to turn the tables on Wednesday with a barrage of questions about whether Bush fulfilled his military obligations in the Texas Air National Guard in the early 1970s.

The charges included documents that indicated Bush did not meet performance standards and received favorable treatment. A group called Texans for Truth launched a new ad in which a lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Air National Guard questions whether Bush ever performed his service during a stint in Alabama.

"I think you absolutely are seeing a coordinated attack by John Kerry and his surrogates on the president," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. "The polls show Senator Kerry falling behind and it's the same old recycled attacks that we've seen every time the president has come up for election."

Makes you wonder if the WH knew they were forgeries before releasing these statements. Heh.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 5:11:40 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Things just got worse for the Dems. The son of the Guard Col says the damaging memo looks like a fraud. The Dems are going to twist off real soon!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/09/2004 19:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Mrs. D. - Carl Rove probably looked at the suspicious documents and, when his aides helped him to a chair because he was laughing so hard, drew up this statement. Then he started laughing hard again when Tommy "Managua" Harkin and Donna Brazile puffed some righteous ignation.

Kitty Kelly now will be the one doing the lines of coke. Because of this forgery her book is toast.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 19:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Why are these guys criticizing Kerry and his sympathizers? Just let them slowly self-destruct as they have been.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/09/2004 19:46 Comments || Top||

#4  THey knew.

Now we get a stong linkage between FORGERY of the documents, FRAUD of distributing the documents and the KERRY CAMPAIGN using the documents to attack Bush.

BAHAHA!
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/09/2004 20:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Youch. Ben Barnes, who claimed he got W in the National Guard as Lt Governor?

Thanx John Podhoretz, NY Post

Pres Bush Enters National Guard May 1968.
Ben Barnes Becomes Lt Gov Texas January 1969.

Am I missing something?
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 20:58 Comments || Top||

#6  the Halliburton connection :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 21:01 Comments || Top||

#7  It just keeps getting better. Amy Barnes, daughter of Ben Barnes called a radio talk show in Texas and said that her father lied, that he told her he was going to do this weeks ago. If I were to pick the probable forger he would be my prime suspect. Sounds as inept as that other Texas Barnes from 'Dallas'.
Posted by: DanNY || 09/09/2004 21:27 Comments || Top||

#8  Check out http://www.powerlineblog.com/ for more on the forged documents, if what powerline is reporting is accurate (and I believe it is) I can't believe how incompentent the person who came up with this is. The very short version is: That these "documents" were written up on a current word processing program, when no such program was in use (or even available) during 1972-1973.
Posted by: Lurks Often || 09/09/2004 22:04 Comments || Top||

#9  Add to that the discrepancy in the signatures. The one on the right is from the CBS document, the one on the left from a document that was actually signed by Killian.

Posted by: Fred || 09/09/2004 23:38 Comments || Top||

#10  CBS says:

"The statement added that CBS reporters had verified the documents by talking to unidentified individuals who saw them "at the time they were written."

I have no doubt of that...LOL
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/09/2004 23:51 Comments || Top||

#11  Of course they knew. Time to stand around and look aggrieved, without interrupting the other guy's self-immolation...
Posted by: mojo || 09/10/2004 0:04 Comments || Top||


THE WILDERNESS CAMPAIGN: Al Gore lives on a street in Nashville
We've been talking a lot about Al Gore today, and this is the New Yorker article that some have mentioned. Best part: the writer notes that, as a basic introvert, Al Gore was not suited to run for or be president, and would have been better off (in his life and psyche) if his daddy had let him become a college professor. Ouch.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/09/2004 2:56:08 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  From the article,

"His plate was crowded with scrambled eggs, bacon, toast..."

later in the article

"...Gore has since dispensed with the beard but not the weight. He is still thick around the middle. He eats quickly and thoroughly, and with a determined relish,"

but in his recent speeding arrest the officer wrote 200 for his weight - maybe it was kg
Posted by: mhw || 09/09/2004 15:57 Comments || Top||

#2  I jokingly suggested to a friend a long time ago that Al Gore's eventual fate would be to become a hippie living in an Ashram somewhere in the Pacific northwest, writing bad protest poetry to bad protest guitar music, using lots of words that rhyme with "blue".
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/09/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Right, moose, these days Al's working on another creation, something called the innernet.
Posted by: lex || 09/09/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#4  If the buzz from his students at Columbia J-School are to be believed, he sucked at the professor thing, too.
Double ouch.
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Let's remember that Gore was perched one Biggie-sized order of fries from the big chair for eight years. I don't understand whether he was always this way due to paraquat injestion, whether he totally lost his marbles after the Florida deal or whether this is all a paid gig for him now.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||


Powerline - Documents Used by Boston Globe Against Bush re: ANG Forged?
The Globe story is itself based on last night's 60 Minutes report: "New questions on Bush Guard duty." The online version of the 60 Minutes story has links to the memos. Killian died in 1984; CBS states that it "consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic." Readers Tom Mortensen and Liz MacDougald direct us to a FreeRepublic thread post no. 47 to this effect:

Every single one of the memos to file regarding Bush's failure to attend a physical and meet other requirements is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing (especially in the military), and typewriters used mono-spaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction high-end word processing systems from Xerox and Wang, and later of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's.

Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang and other systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used mono-spaced fonts. I doubt the TANG had typesetting or high-end 1st generation word processing systems.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old. This should be pursued aggressively.

. . . > > >

Aaaah yes! Presidential Election Year!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 1:46:38 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  PS - Thanks Hugh Hewitt!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the bigger story eventually will be the story of these documents are a plant by political operatives, not that the documents are forgeries, but the MsM allowed a planted story to disseminate nationwide.
Posted by: badanov || 09/09/2004 13:55 Comments || Top||

#3  wow! Too bad those who only get news through the lamestream press will never hear about it.

Someone needs to sue someone over this one.
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#4  And who is it that 'stole' an election? Politics has reached a new low when they can't even create a good forgery and plant it in some records. I think Kerry should publically eat the memo.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/09/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm actually finding it disturbing - this low to which the lamestream media is sinking.

Where are the stockholders of these papers? They better get their act together if they want their certificates to be worth more than the newsprint these lies are printed on.
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#6  I used to find it disturbing, now I just find it irritating, boring and par-for-the-course when you're playing with a loaded deck, which the Liberals are.
The (Old) Media are the Left's number one enablers and are clearly imploding because their boy Kerry is going down like the Titanic inspite of their best (and I do mean their best) efforts.
They're so desperate, they don't even try to cover their lies anymore.
This MemoGate thing follows upon the heels of the "Bush-crowd booed Clinton" false story of last Friday...
Hurray that the mouse warriors of the blogosphere have struck a blow for Justice once again!
Go Powerline! Go LGF! Go HughHewitt!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#7  Powerline refers to LGF:
I opened Microsoft Word, set the font to Microsoft’s Times New Roman, tabbed over to the default tab stop to enter the date “18 August 1973,” then typed the rest of the document purportedly from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian.

And my Microsoft Word version, typed in 2004, is an exact match for the documents trumpeted by CBS News as “authentic.”
More at link
Posted by: ed || 09/09/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#8  Remember everyone. Carville says Zell Miller was drugged by the RNC. Obviously a charge of drugging someone is out there to "balance" the charge of forgery.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||

#9  EVERYONE - LOOK AT DRUDGE!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#10  So the papers were set on a LinoType.... big deal. LOL.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/09/2004 15:39 Comments || Top||

#11  Can't even produce a plausible forgery.

And Ter-ay-zuh says WE'RE idiots?
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#12  Shipman -- a Linotype that matched EXACTLY the way Word formats a page?

Also look here:

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000838.php

Bill at INDC Journal took the PDFs to a forensic document examiner. Conclusion: 90% certain they're fakes.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 09/09/2004 15:48 Comments || Top||

#13  Watching a political riot develop in real-time

To fu***** funny, I love the internet
Posted by: Heysenbergmayhavebeenhere || 09/09/2004 16:08 Comments || Top||

#14  It would seem that of all the criminals that Dukakis furloughed there would be at least one decent forger among them. Hey, dukas, call in a marker for you ole pal sKerry. Right now he needs all the help he can garner and the amateurs at CBS can't hack it.
Posted by: GK || 09/09/2004 16:16 Comments || Top||

#15  GK - You rascal. You took my idea.

It would seem that of all the criminals that Dukakis furloughed there would be at least one decent forger among them.

But ascribe it to Dukakis? Pure Genius!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||

#16  not to harp on it, but don't these people have stockholders that they have to answer to?

They are committing suicide in the era of a new and competitive media. It's just insane that their stockholders don't do something to protect their investments. I don't get it.
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 16:22 Comments || Top||

#17  The superscript "th" on "187th" is a smoking gun, categorically impossible in 1972 unless, as others have said, Killian had his memo set on state-of-the-art professional type-setting machines, and maybe not even then.
Big media is going down with Kerry. They are not just crooks and liars, they are stupid crooks and liars.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/09/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#18  Time for the fat lady.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||

#19  I think this will be traced back to MoveOn.org and Sorros. They want to defeat Bush that bad. It's all just the result of frothy mouthed hate in a nice suit and tie for public consumption. The MSM is just doing what it always does and no one can expect them to admit that they have been fooled and are clowns.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/09/2004 16:54 Comments || Top||

#20  SPoD - If it is traced back to Soros, the person that screwed up will be found "lifeless" in a back alley somewhere.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 17:09 Comments || Top||

#21  Is Zenster Soros?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 17:12 Comments || Top||

#22  Dukakis? Cherchez les fwancais. Col. Clouseau and the heroes of l'affaire Rainbow Warrior.
Posted by: lex || 09/09/2004 17:13 Comments || Top||

#23  Zenster is Keyser Sorosey.
Posted by: lex || 09/09/2004 17:14 Comments || Top||

#24  Can't be. TGA won't let him in the country.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 17:15 Comments || Top||

#25 

John? Who's doing this to you. Lemmmeee at 'em. I'll save ya!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 17:17 Comments || Top||

#26  the media people responsible need to publicly lose their jobs over this
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#27  the media people responsible need to publicly lose their jobs over this

Ain't gonna happen. The talking head on the story was Dan Rather.

This story, if it makes it to the MSM, will be treated just like the Swiftvets.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 09/09/2004 17:49 Comments || Top||

#28  The only way to make heads roll at the conglomerate known as ViacomGeneralElectricMicrosoftCapitalCitiesDisneyAOL-SOL-TimeWarner is to hit 'em in the ratings and the stock price.

Is it technically possible to use streaming media and blog/comment forums to create a web-based alternative to the TV networks? What platforms or technologies out there could do this? What kind of investment would be required?
Posted by: lex || 09/09/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#29  Some how I suspect Scott Mc Clellan will find a way to get it into the MSM. This is just too good and too big to pass on for him.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 18:10 Comments || Top||

#30  Even though these documents becoming more and more obviously forgerys, the leftys who haven't gotten the word yet are getting near a climax enraptured, "Now we got 'em mode"

Donna Brazile, and Tom Harkin are amongst them per Hugh Hewitt.

Breathe heavy now folks, but tomorrow morning you will have a giant hangover from heavy alcohol consumption later this evening.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 18:20 Comments || Top||

#31  McClellan should call for John Kerry to stand up and denounce CBS for the fraudulent documents they used and end his campaign of smear and fear.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 18:30 Comments || Top||

#32  Hugh Hewitt has a document expert on now...
A Mr Shriber (sp?) who is very cautious, but is bothered by the "th" situation we have been discussing.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 18:30 Comments || Top||

#33  Naughty boy Dan Rather.

You will now type 1000 times
187th
187th
187th
187th
187th
187th
187th
187th
187th
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. . . . . . . . . .
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 18:35 Comments || Top||

#34  Even the fourth estate/fifth column can't get away with this. Fox is hitting it very hard and the WH should follow up with the highest possible profile. Alternate media like the internet and talk radio are also piling on.
This is VM day, Victory over Media.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/09/2004 18:39 Comments || Top||

#35  Dan Blather is a credulous old fool who should be fired at once.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/09/2004 18:44 Comments || Top||

#36  VM Day..I'll drink to that! Wait a minute...NFL opener tonight - I was already plannin' on a few beers. Looks like I'm breakin' out the cowbell!
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 09/09/2004 18:48 Comments || Top||

#37  RC I didn't mean it that way. The idea of any propotional font being used on that sort of document in the 1970s is pretty damn ludicrus.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/09/2004 19:05 Comments || Top||

#38  The Axis Powers have broken ranks, the ABC evening news really slammed arch-competitor SeeBS over the forgeries tonight. No link yet.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/09/2004 19:25 Comments || Top||

#39  ABC - We want to keep our jobs. We don't want to be in ratings limbo. Therefore we condemn the "competitor" CBS for the fraud.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||

#40  One would think that the senior managers at the parent companies, guys like Imelt at GE or Eisner at Disney would be going apeshit over this stuff. They aren't news guys and could give a damn about their staff's political leanings. But when those leanings directly affect job performance and seriously impact the image of the parent company, someone is going to get canned. The MSM is getting taken to the woodshed on an almost daily basis. I don't think that they get it yet, but my guess is that the free enterprise system is going to give them a lesson they will not soon forget.
Posted by: remote man || 09/09/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||

#41  Got Mugged again, 'eh Dan?

KENNETH, WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY?

HELLO?

HELLO?
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 20:02 Comments || Top||

#42  Notice:

Carvile and Begala (Skeletor and the Garden Gnome) join the campaign, a week later these documents show up mysteriously, and CBS News has a story ready to go in less than a week...

Somethign smells very bad here.

I hope this gets pinned on the human weasel, Carvile.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/09/2004 20:08 Comments || Top||

#43  In the 40+ years I've been paying attention to politics, I have ***NEVER*** seen a clusterfuck like this one. Not even close.
Posted by: Dave D. || 09/09/2004 20:13 Comments || Top||

#44  Old Spook - Begala and Carville. . .

More likely an evil version of R2D2 & C3P0
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 20:33 Comments || Top||

#45  Dave, Dave, remember Watergate? And the cover up is always the worst part. I've been to Sam's Club to get an adequate supply of popcorn.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#46  ABC link
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#47  Begala and mole-boy are too smart to have been behind this. A credible forgery would not really have been very difficult but whoever did this is so obvious that I am wondering if it might be a practical joke on the media.
The only reason I don't suspect a false-flag operation (originated by Repubs to embarrass the media) is that no sane operator would imagine that CBS could fall for alleged 1970s documents that had obviously been composed on a computer.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/09/2004 20:44 Comments || Top||

#48  Heh. Just for yuks and giggles, I decided to try and duplicate the Killian memo ("1. Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush...") myself with Microsoft Word 2003 on my Windows XP machine.

I fired up MS Word and just started typing using the default settings-- didn't do a damn thing with page layout, margins, font selection, anything at all-- and produced an absolutely EXACT duplicate of the "memo" shown by CBS. Same letter spacing, same word spacing, line breaks at exactly the same places, the same letters line up precisely under the letters in the line above the same way in both cases, the whole nine yards. It is absolutely identical in every last detail except for the blurriness caused by the repeated photocopying.

Somebody at CBS needs to be SPANKED.
Posted by: Dave D. || 09/09/2004 21:17 Comments || Top||

#49  This is just today's festivities. The next week should be hee-hee-larious.

Daily Kos is slicing it and dicing it with any razor but Occam's, but it's going to be proved a forgery done on MS Word. It's just too obvious, even to the untrained eye.

Getting caught out in a blatant forgery like that should be campaign seppuku for the Kerry boyz, and Dan Rather should henceforth be a figure of derision for his statements about how they get an "independent expert" to verify.
Posted by: Fred || 09/09/2004 22:05 Comments || Top||

#50  Sure it wasn't the Clinton boys Bubba lent to get the Kerry campaign jump started?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 22:09 Comments || Top||

#51  nahhhhhh. IMHO CBS just bought into a tinfoil-hat effort to bring down Bushitler because of their desperation to keep the SS Kerry afloat. Rather needs to be frog-marched out and given early retirement
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 22:12 Comments || Top||

#52  it's getting really hard not to get cocky! The Kerry campaign is a shambles like nothing I've ever seen before!
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 22:13 Comments || Top||

#53  I think the similarities to 1972 are striking, except that this time it is the Democrats who have been caught red handed.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 22:15 Comments || Top||

#54  The way to deal with the MSM is not to go after them (CBS, CNN, etc), but start going after their advertisers. If you go to the makers of such and such tampons or such and such laundry detergents and tell them that because they advertise with (insert your most detested member of the MSM here) you will no longer buy their products. If these companies get enough complaints they may/will pull their advertising. That will hit the MSM in the pocketbook and THAT will attract the attention of the shareholders and the corporate heads.
Posted by: Lurks Often || 09/09/2004 22:18 Comments || Top||

#55  Which tampons use Dan Rather? for advertising. I'm not using them, anymore!
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 22:21 Comments || Top||

#56  Sure it wasn't the Clinton boys Bubba lent to get the Kerry campaign jump started?

Could be. IMHO the only reason they're attached to the Kerry campaign is to ensure a loss and open the way for the Hildebeast's run in '08.
Posted by: AzCat || 09/09/2004 22:25 Comments || Top||

#57  LO - maybe so, but public ridicule of a MSM op in favor of Kerry is necessary.....and fun, heh heh
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 22:26 Comments || Top||

#58  Speaking of forgery, various dupers have been posting what are purported to be copies of a National Guard service document released by Bush himself in 2000. Both have a superscripted "th" after "111" in the second line, but not elsewhere in document. I hope Fred will bear with a double image post because this important:
Duper exhibit A:



Duper exhibit B:



These are recognizably copies of the same original, even to the smudges. However, the all important "th" is plainly very different in each. In Duper B, it is darker than the adjacent "111"; in Duper A, it is lighter.
In Duper B, the letters are visibly narrower, the underscore is much heavier relative to the letters, and the placement is measurably higher.

Looks like forgery is a new cottage industry for LLL monkeys.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/09/2004 22:47 Comments || Top||

#59  I hope that this forge-a-thon results in more Americans learning about the Tailwind fiasco. The noise of both of these issues should be trumpeted together to acheive a Jericho effect for 60 Minutes.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 22:48 Comments || Top||

#60  Breaking news:
Dan Rather's first public statement on authenticity of Bush Guard memos.



(hat tip: "Registered" at Free Republic)
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/09/2004 23:02 Comments || Top||

#61  In the August 18, 1973 memo "discovered" by 60 Minutes, Jerry Killian purportedly writes:

Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job.

But wait! General Staudt retired in 1972.

Hat tip to Powerlineblog
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/09/2004 23:20 Comments || Top||

#62  Well, what do you expect when your "experts" also double as Kerry campaign consultants?
Posted by: Dar || 09/09/2004 23:23 Comments || Top||

#63  Hey guys back they finnally got the electric on,and to see this is just delicious .:)
Posted by: djohn66 || 09/09/2004 23:39 Comments || Top||


Great wahrks! Traitor John coerced testimony!
A witness in the 1971 Winter Soldier investigation, which was organized by John Kerry and bankrolled by Jane Fonda and formed the basis for Kerry's Senate war crimes testimony later that year, is accusing Kerry of coercing his account to make the military look bad.

"When I got [to the Winter Soldier investigation], I had no intention of saying anything," Vietnam combat veteran Steven J. Pitkin told WABC Radio's Mark Levin on Wednesday.

But when Kerry and other members of his group Vietnam Veterans Against the War pressed him to give an account that painted Vietnam soldiers as war criminals, "that was a real shock to me," Pitkin said.

"He wanted me to lie like a bear rug get up and talk about what everybody else was talking about," the Vietnam vet said, remembering that Kerry asked him: "Didn't you see any beatings of civilians? Any rapes? Destruction of villages?"
"No, you beauzeaux, I didn't."
"Say you did. This is an oiffer you cannot refuse."

As Kerry pressed him to give him false testimony, Pitkin said, other VVAW members surrounded him and began urging, "C'mon, people need to hear this, man."
"Dude, honesty is SO establishment."
"It was a big pressure job," the Special Forces veteran told Levin. "[Kerry] did what I call extreme coaching."

Pitkin, who was awarded the Combat Infantry Badge, Army Commendation Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, Vietnam Campaign Medal, RVN Cross of Gallantry, Air Medal and Purple Heart for his Vietnam service, said also that Kerry's famous medal-throwing protest was staged, with some VVAW protesters discarding phony ribbons in a show for the media.

"I heard that they had been scouring Army surplus stores and asking everybody to bring in various ribbons," Pitkin said.

Kerry has told reporters he kept his medals that day, but threw away ribbons belonging to somebody else.

In a sworn affidavit filed last Tuesday, Pitkin said.

"During the Winter Soldier Investigation, John Kerry and other leaders of that event pressured me to testify about American war crimes, despite my repeated statements that I could not honestly do so. . . Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue."

Pitkin's account flatly contradicts Keanulint-head Kerry's own version of his participation at the January 1971 anti-war hearings, where he maintains he was primarily a spectator who merely watched as others came forward with their war crimes claims.

Based on Pitkin's admittedly false account and other witness statements, Kerry told the Senate Foreign Relations committee that soldiers fighting in Vietnam were "monsters" who raped and pillaged South Vietnam "in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 09/09/2004 10:46:22 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'll take Treason for 500 Alex.

"He knowingly testified before congress in 71, met illegally with enemy agents in time of war while in the naval reserve and gave aid and comfort to the enemy."

"Who is John F'kin Kerry?"
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/09/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#2  I see another Swift Boat ad in JFK's future.
Posted by: ed || 09/09/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||

#3  This can't be publicized enough. I made reference to this earlier this week.

So now let's look at these items -

Seems we have one of the the Cabal's main Goebbelites, Dan Rather, giving much hoopla to a man recanting sworn testimony in order to try to hurt the Prez...

Then we have Sen Dole and some POWs today offering a view as to what the result in the N Vietnam prison camps was of Kerry's testimony.

And, what about those senators that were threatened at the meeting you were at? Mr Pitkin's story seems to jive with this sort of behaviour.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||

#4  John Ricardo Kerry's Fantasy Island has worked for him for 40 years. Why would he not think this election would be any different?

All of Kerry's fantasies have been common knowledge since he first created them. But he has never been challenged. Christmas in Cambodia could have should have been debunked by anyone in the media at any point since it was first uttered. But nobody bothered or cared, or it fit the picture of what people wanted to hear. So Kerry enhanced in his delusions, and the NYT/BG/WP are so embarrassed that have played in this charade for forever they cannot admit they have been suckered.

As Lt.Incredible Kerry's credibility goes in the tank, it drags all of complicit mainstream media with him. The election of 2004 is no longer about a Republican incumbent and Democrat contender, it is about the future of information control. We are all Swiftboat Vets.
Posted by: john || 09/09/2004 22:50 Comments || Top||


Yugotown loses it
Frothing-at-the-mouth Democrat attack dog James Carville is accusing Republican Party officials of drugging Sen. Zell Miller for media appearances after his speech to the GOP convention last week.
"But all sober Dems worship party loyalty!"
"They probably shot him up with something," the wild-eyed Ragin' Cajun insisted Wednesday during an interview with radio host Don Imus.
What are you smoking, Carville?
Carville leveled the bizarre charge after claiming that Republicans had written Miller's speech, even though it contained lines Miller had used before and echoed much of the criticism of Democrats outlined in Miller's recent book, "A National Party No More."
But Carville insisted the renegade Democrat's speech was strictly a put-up job. "They got that poor man in the twilight of his career and just used him," the former Clinton adviser insisted. "They said, 'Look, go up there and say this,' and they handed him a bunch of documents." Carville claimed Miller didn't know "what he was talking about" in post-speech interviews, saying that's why he grew angry when challenged by MSNBC host Chris Matthews.
Then Carville's harp broke a string.
When Imus noted that the Georgia Democrat sounded "fine" when he interviewed him the next morning," Carville shot back: "They probably shot him up with something, you know. He just likes screaming at people."
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 09/09/2004 11:00:17 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Any idea where I can get some of that stuff they shot him up with? I mean if he can dismember 'The Caveman' Chris Matthews under its influence it must be some damn good stuff!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/09/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Every time I see this guy, that little banjo tune from "Deliverance" pops into my head.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/09/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#3  CF : Amen!

The best anti-Kerry ad would be all of Carville's luncay, with a laugh track in the background!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 13:04 Comments || Top||

#4  What I never understood was what Mary Matalin ever saw in this hillbilly.
Posted by: Brett_the_Quarkian || 09/09/2004 13:33 Comments || Top||

#5  Skeletor strikes again!
Posted by: mojo || 09/09/2004 14:44 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm with O'reilly on this one:
How can he be a reporter on the CNN team as well as being "stragery" contributor to Kerry.
How does CNN position themselves as mainstream media?
Posted by: Capsu78 || 09/09/2004 15:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Yugotown as a nickname for Carville? Brilliant! ROTFLMGMO!
Posted by: Korora || 09/09/2004 23:23 Comments || Top||


Video Clips from new documentary: 'Stolen Honor'
From some very unhappy ex-POWs.
"This election will be the last chance America has to vote in a referendum over the Vietnam War: Were our soldiers baby-killing, drug-crazed war criminals; or were they honorable men fighting for a just cause, who were betrayed by a fifth column of radical leftists who spread lies to undermine the war effort?"
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/09/2004 11:44:15 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kerry is way overmatched by these men. Even Carville, try as he might, won't be able to trash their reputations. For example Leo Thorsness is a legend I learned about as a kid and one of the original Wild Weasels. Leo K. Thorsness bio.
Posted by: ed || 09/09/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Even Carville, try as he might, won't be able to trash their reputations.

And if Carville does try, Mary Matalin better not have any phone calls to Lorena Bobbit on her cell phone records.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 13:01 Comments || Top||


Jobless Claims low last week
Jobless claims tumble by 44,000

Claims for unemployment insurance fall to 319,000, below estimates as Charley backlog subsides.
September 9, 2004: 8:53 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The number of Americans filing for unemployment assistance tumbled by 44,000 last week, the government reported Thursday, coming in well below estimates [the concensus estimate was 345,000] as the backlog of filings from Hurricane Charley subsided.

- Part of this may be that newly unemployed people in FL didn't get around to filing unemployment claims because they were busy with other disaster recovery work. Part of it may be due to people getting temporary work in the recovery effort. Or it may be a pickup in the overall economy. Or a mix. Or just a stochastic burp.


Posted by: mhw || 09/09/2004 11:40:48 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Another RNC smear tactic.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/09/2004 12:57 Comments || Top||


Bob Dole to Join Vets Unveiling Kerry Movie
Former Sen. Bob Dole will team up with a group of former Vietnam prisoners of war at a Washington, D.C., press conference on Thursday to announce a new documentary that chronicles the deep resentment the POW community has for Sen. John Kerry.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 09/09/2004 09:36 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "This election will be the last chance America has to vote in a referendum over the Vietnam War: Were our soldiers baby-killing, drug-crazed war criminals; or were they honorable men fighting for a just cause, who were betrayed by a fifth column of radical leftists who spread lies to undermine the war effort?"
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/09/2004 10:09 Comments || Top||

#2  If only a third of the theaters that showed F911 show this movie, it will still force the MsM to report on the movie.

The movie reviews should be interesting. Movie reviewers seem to be even more left wing than other MsM employees.
Posted by: mhw || 09/09/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Anonymoose : You forgot to add - betrayed by a micromanagement of the war directed by LBJ and McNamara who wouldn't let our soldiers do their job.

I am glad Sen Dole is there. Some MSM will now have to deal with this just because of his presence.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#4  "This election will be the last chance America has to vote in a referendum over the Vietnam War: Were our soldiers baby-killing, drug-crazed war criminals; or were they honorable men fighting for a just cause, who were betrayed by a fifth column of radical leftists who spread lies to undermine the war effort?"

Honorable, brave men fighting for a just cause for $500, Alex.
Posted by: badanov || 09/09/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||


Global public prefers Kerry over Bush
In 30 out of 35 countries polled, from all regions of the world, a majority or plurality would prefer to see John Kerry win the US presidential election—especially traditional US allies. The only countries where President Bush was preferred were the Philippines, Nigeria,and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. On average, Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin—46% to 20% (weighted for variations in population, the ratio was not significantly different). Overall, one-third did not give an answer.

The poll of 34,330 people was conducted mainly during July and August 2004 by GlobeScan and its worldwide network of research institutes, in conjunction with the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) of the University of Maryland. Due to the difficulties of polling in developing countries, in eleven countries, polling was limited to metropolitan areas. The margin
of error ranged from +/- 2.3-5%.

Steven Kull, director of PIPA, comments, "Only one in five want to see Bush reelected. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president." Support for Kerry was greater among those with higher education and income levels.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Murat || 09/09/2004 7:39:55 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This was covered yesterday. Don't you use your eyes, Murat? (OK, 'stupid question'.)
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/09/2004 7:52 Comments || Top||

#2  "Global Public Prefers Kerry Over Bush"

In a world gone insane, that's an excellent reason to vote for Bush.
Posted by: Bryan || 09/09/2004 7:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Well, the world's gonna get 4 more EXCELLENT years of George W. Bush--No, no, don't thank us!, you ungrateful and unwashed morons!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 8:14 Comments || Top||

#4  That's good. Just another reason to vote for W! He's doing something right especially if he has the French snail eaters pissed.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 09/09/2004 8:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Yeh. If the rest of the world is so high on Kerry, why don't they make him the next UN Secretary General? As much as I dislike him, he wouldn't be half as corrupt and inept as the last few Secretaries General.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 09/09/2004 8:52 Comments || Top||

#6  Too bad your vote doesn't count, Bacon Boy.
Posted by: Dar || 09/09/2004 9:11 Comments || Top||

#7  This is actually old news. Back in April or May, I remember reading in the IHT letters from the LLL expat community that every citizen in the world should be given the right to vote in American elections since our politics affects everyone in the world.

The same mentality of sorts is what is driving the LLL to lobby for abolishing the electoral college. The left coast and NE elitist establishments just cannot let go of the fact that the blue states are outnumbered, outmanned and outvoted by the great heartland of America.
Posted by: Jack is Back || 09/09/2004 9:17 Comments || Top||

#8  Hey Murat - they only reason the lamestream media is printing headlines about "global polls" is because if they don't want to report on what the real polls say; Kerry is getting hammered!
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 9:24 Comments || Top||

#9  Bryan: In a world gone insane, that's an excellent reason to vote for Bush.

Nothing insane about it. The Euros think they can screw us over while dealing behind our back with our enemies because they have a treaty with us that pledges American assistance if they ever get into trouble. Ditto with large numbers of countries around the world. Note that most of the countries that showed up Iraq alongside our boys don't have mutual defense treaties with Uncle Sam. This means their territorial sovereignty against their neighbors rests on our goodwill rather than a treaty. That, in my mind, is a good reason to tear up most of the mutual defense treaties we have with countries around the world. There's nothing mutual about these treaties, and they increase the scope for double-dealing. Would Euros be quite as enthused about arming China if Uncle Sam did not extend a nuclear umbrella over Europe?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/09/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#10  That, in my mind, is a good reason to tear up most of the mutual defense treaties we have with countries around the world.

Mutual defense treaties were an "egg in the basket" vehicle used by the former Soviets and the West to tally the "us against thems" allowing the lesser nations to chant "our brother is bigger than your brother". Of course, as with most "bigger brothers" we hung with others our own age while telling the little pain in the ass to be quiet and go away.
Posted by: RN || 09/09/2004 10:00 Comments || Top||

#11  ro'Murat, do you see?
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 09/09/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#12  Well the funniest part of the poll is that even those Britons are anti-Bush. (Bulldog, Howard you've become a minority :)
Posted by: Murat || 09/09/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#13  No, what's funniest is idiots who think this matters.

Like you, Murat.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 09/09/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#14  Didn't presume we ever were a majority, Ratty. Our media bends over backwards to slur Bush, so don't be surprised when most folks absorb a negative view of the man. And don't forget that even in the US Bush support has only recently significantly tipped 50 % since the start of the race. That still doesn't mean huge numbers of people seriously argue with his approach to the WoT.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/09/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#15  Murat: Well the funniest part of the poll is that even those Britons are anti-Bush. (Bulldog, Howard you've become a minority :)

What's truly funny is Turks and Muslims who hate Bush and America, but don't have the guts to come attack us, despite Muhammad's promises of 72 virgins in the afterlife. Where are the hordes of angry jihadis? Like I've always maintained, Osama had it precisely inverted - he said that Muslims love death as Americans love life, whereas the reality is that Americans love death as Muslims love life.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/09/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||

#16  Joe Public from Jakarta is cordially invited to butt out.
Posted by: mojo || 09/09/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#17  A better metric would be a survey of which President is preferred by Vietnamese refugees. (Bush, by something like 10:1).
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 09/09/2004 11:05 Comments || Top||

#18  Global public prefers Kerry over Bush

Just as nobody in the U.S. should have any say in whoever is running the show in Turkey, why should we give a rat's ass who the "global public" prefers to be our president?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/09/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#19  Global public,
Come and talk to us when you have fair and honest elections in your own contries. See ya. Wouldn't want to be ya.
Posted by: ed || 09/09/2004 11:37 Comments || Top||

#20  It's difficult to imagine how HUGELY different the world might be today had the international coverage of the Iraq invasion not been absolutely poisonous regarding Bush and the US. Their words and beliefs altered the course forever-the number of deaths that occurred because the US was forced to change its battle plans and because allies abandoned us when we needed them; the geographical containment of jihadism opened wide with international excuse-making and tolerance for terrorists while the West is pillaried for violence in the world....the list goes on. The judgment of the world is sorely in question.
Posted by: jules 187 || 09/09/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#21  this poll in flaw! they are leave out nader! >:(
Posted by: muck4doo || 09/09/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#22  jules 187: :” It's difficult to imagine how HUGELY different the world might be today had the international coverage of the Iraq invasion not been absolutely poisonous regarding Bush and the US.”

Absolutely right. After 911 one of my main questions was why so little international support. There is no one answer. A few generalizations apply to most countries but each country has a unique history and internal politics.

Many countries don’t trust the US. While US has been a “nice” world power, there is sufficient evidence of not so nice behavior to fuel criticism of the US. It is far easier for a US citizen to trust our president to wield the vast power of the US than it is for a European.

The US is by far the world’s strongest power. Some countries are jealous of US success. (Other countries don’t like the US winning most of the Olympic medals.)

Globalization is disrupting economies and cultures throughout the world. In the US we see it as more immigrants, cheap goods from China, Japanese anime, outsourcing of jobs to India, and Islamic terrorism. Much of world sees it as US cultural and economic imperialism. (The insidious spread of Mc Donalds.)

Most countries believe the playing field isn’t even. Many countries have trade disputes with the US. Rightly or wrongly, those countries often feel the US has an overwhelming advantage in negotiations. This fuels national resentment.

Non-English speaking countries feel a cultural disadvantage. Whether French, Spanish, German, etc. many resent the dominance of English.

Some countries are failing in the world marketplace. Blame is placed on US capitalistic business policies.

Some worry about the world environment. Or about world poverty. As the wealthiest country in the world, the US receives the most blame.

Some countries believe the US is an enemy working against their interests. Clearly this is true of N. Korea and Iran. To a lesser degree it is true of China. Many in Russia still see the US as an enemy. Many Islamic countries see the US as an enemy.

Some use anti-Americanism to promote their own agenda. By positioning Europe as a counter to the US, the European elite submerges nationalism and promotes identification with the EU.

Some believe that the time of nations is over. That the UN and international organizations should be running the world. They see the US as the greatest threat to the new world order.

And here in the US we have internal politics and a wild mix of loud, divergent views.

The WoT would be much, much easier with a united Western civilization supporting the US.
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 09/09/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#23  Gee, Anon5032, Samuel Huntingdon must stay awake nights knowing you're at large...!
You put out a lot of crap about the US without talking about all the good we do, all the work we do, or all we've done for our less fortunate fellow citizens of the planet.
This whole concept of nations having "feelings" like jealousy or hatred for each other is CRAZY...
This completely non-scientific poll was of 35,000 folks in assorted nations with none of the criteria used delineated at all.
(And what could these furrenners know about sKeery?!
We're still trying to figure out who the guy is!)
I have no doubt this crappy poll was *designed* to make us here in the US feel bad about our support for Bush.
Well, tough tits!
I'm not only voting for him, I LOVE HIM and think he's one of the greatest Presidents this country's ever had who has earned and deserves 2 terms.
So they can kiss my royal Italian-American ass and pray that God blesses their jumped-up country with a leader as terrific as GWB!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#24  Jen - it wasn't as much about making us feel bad about our support for Bush, it was to make a headline about Kerry being ahead in the polls. Since sKerry is lagging so far behind that spinning is futile, they just created a poll that would give them the headline they wanted.
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#25  Diggs on why this is a good thing:

Pennies From Heaven
According to a poll conducted by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the University of Maryland. a majority of foreigners want Senator Kerry elected over President Bush.
The news just can't get any worse for John Kerry can it?
So the people of the world, who think that the US got what it deserved on 9-11, and who are afraid of the US and want to see US power reduced, if not completely neutralized, think that Senator Kerry is their man to get that job done. There is no other way to look at this. These folks aren't looking to the US for protection from terrorists, they simply want the US to be humbled. And no other candidate gives them that feeling of being able to deliver a humbled America better than John Kerry.
It's like Karl Rove is writing these stories!
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/09/2004 14:30 Comments || Top||

#26  A few generalizations apply to most countries but each country has a unique history and internal politics.

[...]

The WoT would be much, much easier with a united Western civilization supporting the US.


After having recited a litany of reasons for various other nations' hostility/resentment toward the U.S. (a lot of it seemingly rather petty), I find it rather strange that you would even entertain the idea of a "united Western civilization".
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/09/2004 14:44 Comments || Top||

#27  Good points Anan5032 (#22), and Zhang Fei (#25): thanks for providing a short overview of how "the other side" views America. And we do have the media to thank for fueling the lie machine, don't we?

BTW: polls generally cannot be trusted to provide reliable information. And Murat cannot be trusted to provide anything but his usual anti-American nonsense.
Posted by: ex-lib || 09/09/2004 14:50 Comments || Top||

#28  GreatestJeneration: “You put out a lot of crap about the US without talking about all the good we do, all the work we do, or all we've done for our less fortunate fellow citizens of the planet.”

I strongly believe the US is a positive force in the world. My post wasn’t about whether America is great. I take that as a given.

I want the US to be successful. One requirement for winning the WoT is understanding who our allies are and who our enemies are and why. Understanding foreign nations does not mean subordinating US interests to foreign nations.

If you understand France, you’ll understand that there is little hope of getting French cooperation. If you understand why many countries are anti-American, you’ll understand why working through the UN or international organizations to protect US interests will have little success. If you understand the transnationalist movement, you’ll understand why many in academia and the media are working against US interests.

Knowledge of the enemy is power to defeat the enemy.

Bomb-a-rama: “After having recited a litany of reasons for various other nations' hostility/resentment toward the U.S. (a lot of it seemingly rather petty), …”

Yes, many of the reasons are petty. And some of the reasons indicate that some “allies” aren’t allies and never were. And some nations are enemies and we should recognize that fact. And we should also recognize that some Americans view patriotism as outdated and have a greater loyalty to transnational relationships.

So what are we left with.

Some countries are allies. Despite strong international and internal political pressure many countries have supported the US. (Thanks UK and Australia.)

Some countries value US friendship. Whether for their own security or for potential economic benefits, many countries will help the US. Especially those that feel threatened by China or Russia or Islamic terrorism.

Some countries are waffling now but may come on board as the Islamic terrorism threat strikes home.

Some countries will try to avoid the conflict. (Free-riders on US security guarantees and appeasers.)

Some will use the conflict to further their own national goals. (France and China)

Bomb-a-rama: “I find it rather strange that you would even entertain the idea of a "united Western civilization".”

No, I gave up my naïve hope for a united Western response to terror long ago. I thought my lengthy list made that clear. (Obviously not since I’m writing this follow-up.)

PS

In case it is not clear from my posts, I support Bush because the US is at war and Bush knows it. Bush will do what he believes is right for the US. Kerry may be too concerned with what his French friends want.
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 09/09/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||

#29  You're new here, aren't you, Anon 5032?
We've been discussing everything you just thought you were telling us for the first time for the last 3 years but thanks for the refresher.
All that being said, I still don't give a damn about this poll of the great unwashed!
I don't pay much attention to American polls either for that matter.
The only "poll" that matters is the one we'll all make on November 2 which I hope is for 4 more years for President Bush!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||

#30  I second the idea of a series of bilateral treaties as a replacement for NATO. The "West" as a coherent moral entity no longer exists.

Aside from the UK, Israel and Australia, the US has no natural allies on this planet. There are only rivals who are more or less friendly (Canada, Japan, SoKorea, Italy, Mexico, Turkey, India) or more or less hostile (China, France, Germany, Russia), enemies (mullahs' Iran, NK, Syria) and schizoid frontline states (Pakistan, Saudi).

The really important states for us are those nations that, given the right set of carrots and sticks, can be tipped from the more or less hostile category to the more or less friendly category, such as Russia, or from the "friendly rival" to the Ally category, such as Israel and Turkey.

Posted by: lex || 09/09/2004 17:37 Comments || Top||

#31  India and Turkey.
Posted by: lex || 09/09/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#32  Lex, I'd say the jury's still out on the New Europeans. I think Poland has proven to be pretty stand up.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#33  Alas, the younger Poles are becoming more and more Der Spiegelized each year. If I were employee number 4 at Google I'd devote a few hundred mil to a new Marshall Program aimed at future leaders of Poland, Russia, India, and Turkey for 2 years of grad study at Stanford/Hoover. We're totally dropping the ball on Poland.
Posted by: lex || 09/09/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#34  The simple truth is that most of the world is behind the US on the saturation media learning curve and skepticism has not had time to develop. The crudeness of anti-American propaganda is quite striking, even (or perhaps especially) in the Euro mass media. They are living in the early 70s in terms of audience credulity. American establishment media; faced as they are with mounting skepticism, competition, and hostility; envy their overseas counterparts continued authority.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/09/2004 19:19 Comments || Top||

#35  And when did Americans get a vote in the governments of Europe in 1912 and 1938? We certainly ended up paying the price for them. Short memories these dolts.
Posted by: Don || 09/09/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||

#36  Philippines, Nigeria,and Poland are pro-Bush. That really surprises me.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 20:14 Comments || Top||


Recovery Is Progressing for Clinton
Former President Bill Clinton has been moved from an intensive care unit to a hospital room and his recovery from a quadruple bypass operation is progressing smoothly, his office said yesterday. Mr. Clinton sat up in bed, walked across the room with assistance and sat in a chair at the Columbia-Presbyterian Center of New York-Presbyterian Hospital in Manhattan, the office said in a statement.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has "canceled everything on her schedule to keep an eye on Bill and the nurses remain in New York with her husband," her press secretary, Philippe Reines, said.

Mr. Clinton's recovery, like that of any bypass surgical patient, will proceed in stages over the next several weeks. He passed the first stage when a breathing tube in his windpipe that was connected to a breathing machine was removed late Monday night. That allowed him to speak and breathe on his own.
Wasn't extubated in the recovery room, eh? Interesting.

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Posted by: Steve White || 09/09/2004 1:04:40 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And even after all the nonsense, Hillary gets to drop everything and go be the devoted wife and take care of her man. Gah.
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/09/2004 1:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, glad to see Bill's going to make it. Hard surgery even if the prognosis is good. Bubb, us Papists will be praying for you.

As for Hillary - it gives her just the excuse she needs to jump away from the Kerry Campaign, right as it looks desperate: all the really poorly done negative attacks from Skeletor and the Garden Gnome (Carvile and Begala)., and thier hired hands at CBS and Kitty Kelly's publisher.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/09/2004 1:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Am I alone here but does anyone else believe as I do that this is a put up job by the Clintons to abrogate any campaigning for Kerry? He loses, she wins!
Posted by: Jack is Back || 09/09/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#4  I know I was relieved to find that, in the words of the hospital spokesman, he was still under sedation the other day, yet "still arousable."
Posted by: eLarson || 09/09/2004 9:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Jack, I think it was a truly serious med problem that ocurred at a fortuitous time to disassociate from a Loser campaign effort, nothing more. Hope he gets well. The Republican party's biggest gains have come during his reign.
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 9:55 Comments || Top||

#6  Would I be a bad person if I said I really don't give a rat's ass about Bubba and wish he would get is sorry ass out of the limelight for a while?

No, I wouldn't be.

These are serious times and we don't need to be swamped with info about lightweights.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/09/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#7  Has anyone else considered that this surgery might have been elective, or at least the timing?

Bush opens up a double digit lead over Kerry. Bubba infiltrates his people into the Kerry campaign team. Then he gets a pain in the heart. Clinton could spend the next 60 days two ways, busting his hump for Kerry or laying in bed munching. Have to operate right away. Then they wait three days. And this way his loving and inseparable wife Hildebeast can spend every moment by his side while Kerry goes down to defeat. Suddenly, only one week after his cadre has assumed control of the Kerry Kampaign, third rate forgeries appear on 60 Minutes. But they've both got plausible deniability for any responsibility for the debacle because they were otherwise engaged during the critical weeks of the campaign. And the coast is clear for Hildebeasts stampede in '08.

That feels better. Now I'll take my hat off.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 22:06 Comments || Top||

#8  or laying in bed munching

"jeez it's always about sex with you people, isn't it?" - Lanny Davis
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 22:15 Comments || Top||

#9  "Hard surgery even if the prognosis is good. "

There is nothing "hard" about this surgery. In fact, the mortality rate is very low. Another fact, they have even perfected a technique that allows the surgery to be performed without stopping the heart. This eliminates the complications associated with the Heart/Lung machine, which by the way was the source of most complications.

With that said, I'd like to be the first to offer Slick Willie I nice greasy plate of pork ribs...with EXTRA grease!

CiT
Posted by: CiT || 09/10/2004 0:01 Comments || Top||


Gore: Bush faith akin to fundamentalist Islam
EFL
... "It's a particular kind of religiosity," he told the magazine. "It's the American version of the same fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia, in Kashmir, in religions around the world: Hindu, Jewish, Christian, Muslim. They all have certain features in common.

"In a world of disconcerting change, when large and complex forces threaten familiar and comfortable guideposts, the natural impulse is to grab hold of the tree trunk that seems to have the deepest roots and hold on for dear life and never question the possibility that it's not going to be the source of your salvation. And the deepest roots are in philosophical and religious traditions that go way back. You don't hear very much from them about the Sermon on the Mount, you don't hear very much about the teachings of Jesus on giving to the poor, or the beatitudes. It's the vengeance, the brimstone."

Gore also slammed Bush's leadership in the White House, calling him a "weak man."

"I wasn't surprised by Bush's economic policies, but I was surprised by the foreign policy, and I think he was, too," Gore told the New Yorker. "The real distinction of this presidency is that, at its core, he is a very weak man. He projects himself as incredibly strong, but behind closed doors he is incapable of saying no to his biggest financial supporters and his coalition in the Oval Office. He's been shockingly malleable to Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and the whole New American Century bunch. He was rolled in the immediate aftermath of 9-11. He was too weak to resist it. 


"I think he is a bully, and, like all bullies, he's a coward when confronted with a force that he's fearful of. His reaction to the extravagant and unbelievably selfish wish list of the wealthy interest groups that put him in the White House is obsequious. The degree of obsequiousness that is involved in saying 'yes, yes, yes, yes, yes' to whatever these people want, no matter the damage and harm done to the nation as a whole—that can come only from genuine moral cowardice."
I see no correlation between what GW says and what Gore says that GW says. Who does Al think he is convincing? How can he be teaching journalism?
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 1:01:34 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If Big Honest Al really believes this crap, he's nuttier than a fruitcake. Thank God Bush won in 2000.
Posted by: PBMcL || 09/09/2004 1:18 Comments || Top||

#2  PBMcL - I think even most liberals agree with your assessment.
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 1:19 Comments || Top||

#3  God Bless the U.S. Supreme Court!
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/09/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#4  My sis went to J-school and got lots of perfessers just like Al. Scary.

Even scarier, Al was *this* close to being the Prez. Yikes!
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/09/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#5  Seafarious - almost as scary as skerry.
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 1:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Wake up! Kee-Reist All Mighty, this guy was within a hairs breadth of becoming the POTUS. At this point, a vote for a Democrat is synonymous with commtting oneself to an asylum. WTF? It's frightening that there is even a debate on this matter.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 09/09/2004 2:09 Comments || Top||

#7  TGA, I found a commentary on Newsmax that may be of interest. It goes into a quasi-psychological explanation of why the Band of Brothers has formed around Kerry, but more interesting is its mention of an American icon from Florida politics: George Smathers, the ultimate smear-merchant.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 2:17 Comments || Top||

#8  You RBers are wonderful and I love you!

Any man that would try and *sue* his way to the White House is certifiable.
That so many "thinking" Americans would believe for so long that Bush "stole" the election is depressing to me, but thank God many of those have seen the light in the days, months and years since!
(And the Supreme Court didn't "give" the election to Bush, they merely stopped the chad counting, which, without their intervention would have gone on, and on, and on....)
It's way past time for the mother ship to beam up Al and his merry band of Bush haters!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 2:23 Comments || Top||

#9  Super Hose, I think I really don't care too much about Kerry's medals and how hard they were earned (or not). It's something that looks good on the resumé and had Bush earned medals he might have brought them up, too.
Kerry's "negotiations" with the Nord Vietnamese is the troublesome thing.

Jen, not to replay the Florida Vote, but I think the dominant idea I had about the whole thing was that people who can't punch a proper hole in a card or can't tell Pat Buchanan from Al Gore should maybe not given too much influence in deciding an election.
In Germany, any vote that is not clear is simply thrown out. Nobody tries to work out what the "voter's intent" might have been. You make a cross in a circle. If there is no clear cross in a circle, the vote is thrown out. Easy, isn't it.

Don't think that making a hole is any more complicated.

And with the properly punched votes Bush won Florida. This is what I would have decided on election day.

And yes, I've worked as an election observer.
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/09/2004 2:32 Comments || Top||

#10  TGA, the USA is the same as Germany:
the "votes" Algore was having them recount in Florida were the "bad ballots" you described--the undervotes (no candidate selected for President) and overvotes(more than 1 candidate selected for President).
These were never counted before anywhere for any election until Al came along...
And he got the Democrat Florida Supreme Court to rule in his favor so that the chad counting of those 4 heavily Democrat counties could go on and the U.S. Supreme Court should have slapped them down then, but they wanted to look impartial.
If you may remember, the "chad" counting got weirder and weirder as Dimocrats insisted that the "intent of the voter" was to be "discerned" by the degree of "pregnancy" or "swinging" nature of the chad.
Al told his True Believers on live network TV that "every vote wasn't counted," which was a huge lie even Joseph Goebbels and Stalin would have admired.
God help us in November, because who knows what the Dimocrats will try this time...!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 2:40 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm wondering if all the electonic voting equipment in Florida made it through the hurricane(s) ok...
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/09/2004 2:47 Comments || Top||

#12  Seafarious, this is the only thing I don't like. Touch Screen Machines without a paper trail. This just yells out for trouble.

Sorry, as Reagan said: Trust, but verify.
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/09/2004 3:04 Comments || Top||

#13  TGA, the punch cards have functioned well in all 50 states for years and Florida 2000 was no exception.
Only Al and his gang of lawyers would force human beings to try and count chads (they caught them even eating them towards the end!).
Even the confusion of the "butterfly ballot" was instigated by the Democrats who got a Texas (!) telemarketing firm to call elderly Jewish voters in Palm Beach and *suggest* that they had erroneously voted for anti-Semite candidate Pat Buchanan.
IMHO, it was Al Gore who tried to steal the election, not Bush.
And never forget that the manager of Gore's campaign was the son of Chicago mayor Richard Daley who helped JFK "win" in 1960 when lots of Chicagoans rose from the dead to vote for Kennedy.
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 3:14 Comments || Top||

#14  Seafarious, there is another hurricane coming your way...

What on earth have you done in Florida?? We always told our kids if they didn't eat up properly bad weather was coming... but this seems a little exaggerated, no?
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/09/2004 3:17 Comments || Top||

#15  TGA, you misunderstood. I was trying to entertain you with a reference to an obscure American politician. I thought his story might give you a chuckle or provide something for you to pass to others on your side fo the Atlantic divide. I noticed that things were getting rather heated with on one of the other threads so for comic relief (other than the Gore rant)I provide:

"Having followed dirty politics since George Smathers spread the word throughout rural Florida that the incumbent senator, Claude Pepper, was well known in Washington as a “homo sapien” whose daughter was not only a practicing “thespian” but actually DID it in front of paying customers – I have to admit I was stumped by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. (Smathers, by the way, won!)"

Although I am pretty straight-laced, even I sucumb to the uniquely American glorification of the scoundrel on occasion - I just prefer that the scoundrels be kept in Congress.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 3:42 Comments || Top||

#16  No problem...
Looks like I got into a debate with a very thin skinned person over there in the other thread.

Guess I'm not P.C. enough for some, and too much for others... depending on the subject.

We could have needed some pics of .com to cheer things up a bit :-)
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/09/2004 3:46 Comments || Top||

#17  Al Gore is a classic example of what happens when a son tries to follow in his father's footsteps and just doesn't have the horsepower to meet expectations. Gore has been pathetic since he ducked out on his Stars & Stripes job in Saigon to go to divinity school. (He flunked out because he never attended class but it did get his ass out of VietNam 5 months early. He wasn't smart enough for the 3 purple hearts routine). Sorry. It's been a long night and I really am sick unto death of Democrats (pick one) telling everyone how much smarter they are than the rest of us.
Posted by: RWV || 09/09/2004 4:48 Comments || Top||

#18  SH, they named the main branch of the University of Florida's Library after Smathers... jeeebus. He retired just in time to avoid the Bobby Baker mess.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/09/2004 7:40 Comments || Top||

#19  Someone say Gators?
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 09/09/2004 7:57 Comments || Top||

#20  Actually fundamentalist enviros are actually more obnoxious than Wahabis because the latter group typically gets huffy and leaves after you contradict them with facts.
Posted by: mhw || 09/09/2004 8:10 Comments || Top||

#21  I have a confession (*SIGH*), no, actually two confessions…(1) In 1960 I was a Daley Democratic (actually the son of a DD, being only 15 y.o.). In order to get out the vote, I and several of my family sat in our basement with a list of voters who’d died within the past twelve months (and were still on the voter rolls), we highlighted these names and prepared for election day.

(2) On that day, at 4 AM, we took a school bus down to the old folks home and the local mission, we filled the bus (60 seats), gave the sleepy a cup of coffee and a Danish…and a name. The next stop was the polls, where “name” in hand they trooped into the voting machine, drew the curtain and voted the straight Democrat ticket, got back on the bus, got another coffee and Danish…then off to the next voting venue.

This went on until the polls closed.

The tired old folks, were taken to a cafeteria for dinner (AYCE) and the mission guys were given a pint of Four Roses.

Kennedy carried Chicago in a landslide!

When I went to Viet Nam, I broke with the Democrat party and voted absentee ballot (AB) for Nixon. My Dad wrote later and told me that every AB that arrived in Cook County, that was NOT for Half-hearted Humphrey, was stamped “arrived to late to be counted”.

I suspect the Democrats still use this and other maneuvers to “stuff the ballot boxes”.
Posted by: RN || 09/09/2004 8:23 Comments || Top||

#22  Left wing politics will always have a problem with democracy.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/09/2004 8:35 Comments || Top||

#23  Ya whatever Al. Don't forget to take your meds now.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 09/09/2004 8:37 Comments || Top||

#24  Gore has always been full of crap -- what's new? He's just a loser dwelling on his loss. A Monday morning quarterback of the most pathetic kind.
Posted by: Tom || 09/09/2004 8:47 Comments || Top||

#25  Why do you want to disparage quarterbacks like that?
Posted by: RN || 09/09/2004 8:50 Comments || Top||

#26  Hiya Dragon Fly! Where ya been?
Posted by: Shipman || 09/09/2004 9:01 Comments || Top||

#27  Shipman... (Off Topic Alert) Perhaps I should have posted. I am preparing to travel extensively early next year. Disassembling your everyday life is much more time consuming than I anticipated.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 09/09/2004 9:27 Comments || Top||

#28  Gore actually has a tiny bit correct in what he said. Some branches of fundamentalist Christianity are remarkably similar to hardcore fundamentalism in other religions (ultra-Orthodox Jews; pre-Vatican II Catholics; Wahhabi muslims, etc.). They do hold to ancient beliefs without much questioning.

That said, he's wrong when he claims Bush to be that kind of Christian. Instead, Bush is more of the Evangelical, experiential type. It's about a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." Not so much about fire and brimstone and following rules. That sort of Christian would be very big on the Sermon on the Mount (which is where the Beatitudes come from Al, you ignoramous).
Posted by: growler || 09/09/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#29  the natural impulse is to grab hold of the tree trunk that seems to have the deepest roots and hold on for dear life and never question the possibility that it’s not going to be the source of your salvation.

Good tactic to pick up votes Gore. No doubt that African Americans, hispanics, catholics and the majority the population will be drawn to the rhetoric that salvation doesn't exist.
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#30  growler: branches of fundamentalist Christianity are remarkably similar to hardcore fundamentalism in other religions (ultra-Orthodox Jews; pre-Vatican II Catholics; Wahhabi muslims, etc.). They do hold to ancient beliefs without much questioning.

People everywhere hold on to various erroneous (religious or atheistic) beliefs without much questioning. The difference is that Muslims view it as their sacred right to kill non-Muslims just because they feel like it, whether they are the majority or the minority, and then not only deny that they did it, but allege that the non-Muslims did it to themselves.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/09/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#31  He says that They all have certain features in common... but does not say what any of those features are. He may have a point (perhaps his first in recent history) but doesn't convince anyone with an accusation and no examples.
Posted by: jules 187 || 09/09/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#32  Religiosity? Is that a real word or did Al invent it?
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/09/2004 11:44 Comments || Top||

#33  ZF hit the nail on the head.

LEFTIE TALKING POINT WATCH:
This article doesn't surprise me. The one talking point that my leftie friends nationwide seem to be parroting, is their deep seated fear of the dire consequences that would result from the rise of the Christian right -should Bush get elected.

This is apparently the talking point to turn to when the the subject of Islamofascism is brought up. They worry that school vouchers will result in a dangerous sub-group of children brainwashed in the evils of Christianity. Not sure what they think they will do - but this is a clear and present danger in their mind. Oh...and the cunning Christians might even try to bring back school prayer!! This is a far greater horror to them than Belsan, which BTW, the Russians deserved because they are so brutal.

Despite almost non-existent crimes by Christian Extremists (other than the occassional abortion doctor), they point to Timothy McVeigh and Waco to show the terrible, horrific, dangers that await if Bush is elected.

Tip: Don't point out that the Waco cult never killed anyone or that McVeigh wasn't on a Crusade from God...unless you want them to turn and hiss at you.

So it's no surprise that Gore is throwing them this piece of red meat to chew on.
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 11:49 Comments || Top||

#34  Al's vicious hatred of W has him disintigrating into a pool of spittle and I'm giggling myself silly like a little girl watching the spectactle........
Posted by: Jarhead || 09/09/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#35  RN, would you disenfranchise the noble dead? (HT: Walt Kelly)
Posted by: James || 09/09/2004 12:43 Comments || Top||

#36  RN, what a story!
Thanks for sharing...our boy in Texas, LBJ a/k/a "Landslide Lyndon", did his part to bring in the election for JFK down here, too.

And B, Great mini-rant!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#37 

H Bogart as Capt Queeg in the movie,
"The Caine Mutiny"


Which person is Captain Queeg most like?

A) Al Gore :
"He betray-uhed this cuntruh. He-a played on ahr feerz!"

B) Howard Dean:
"Arrrrrrrrrrgh

C) James Carville :
"Thuh RNC drugged Zell Milluh"

D) All of the above.

Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 14:55 Comments || Top||

#38  Zhang Fei raises an interesting point about beliefs. A few very perceptive philosophers have observed that religion is not that different from philosophy and politics in that in all three areas people have strong disagreements, even if they have strong reasons and strong rational arguments for believing what they do. There is no field more devoted to the exercise of logic and rationality than philosophy, and yet philosophers still disagree with each other on just about every topic.
Posted by: V is for Victory || 09/09/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#39  True, V, but the only people who murder others for disagreeing with the way they believe as a fundamental tenet of their faith are Muslims.
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#40  Far be it for me to argue with someone whose name could be translated as IronKnife, Jen, but consider Northern Ireland. And that's putively the same religion.

Please don't construe this as any kind of support for the RoP (Religion of Pigfuckers) but the truth is all religions are dangerous in that they set up a boogy man in the sky whose word is law and if s/he says to do something then you must "because it's the right thing to do". The problem of course lies in the nature of the person(s) your god speaks to since s/he damn well don't have a blog. When s/he speaks to Muhammed the Pedophile you get one result, Jesus another, Kali yet another.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not an atheist - more of an antitheist - I beleive in god, I just don't like the way the old bitch conducts business.
Posted by: Anonymous6377 || 09/09/2004 19:09 Comments || Top||

#41  God bless the Supreme Court and God bless Zell Miller - maybe Zell will make it to the Supreme Court. That would be supreme justice.
Posted by: JP || 09/09/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||


Lawsuit Uncovers 1973 Bush 'Atrocity' Testimony
ScrappleFace
(2004-09-08) -- A lawsuit filed by the Associated Press (AP) has pressured the federal government into releasing previously unseen transcripts of 1973 testimony by a young George W. Bush before a Senate panel investigating atrocities committed by stateside National Guardsman during the Vietnam era.

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to give up his weekend for a mistake?" the young Mr. Bush asked the panel as he began to talk about his experience with fellow guardsmen who participated in the "Winter Weekend Warrior" investigation with Jane Fonda.

The investigation, Mr. Bush claimed, brought together 150 honorably discharged National Guardsman, many of them highly-decorated, who testified to atrocities committed both on and off base, "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

"They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do, Mr. Bush said. "They told the stories of times they had personally goofed off, skipped weekend duty, gone out drinking, short-sheeted a fellow guardsman's bed, telephoned local stores and asked if they had Prince Albert in a can, drove faster than the speed limit, used salty language in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot mailboxes and road signs for fun, raided the base commissary for Pop Tarts and generally ravaged the country side of South Texas."

President Bush, responding yesterday to persistent questions about the new revelations, said, "I defended this country as a young man, and I will defend it again as President of the United States...again."
Posted by: Korora || 09/09/2004 12:04:20 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  LOL! Ott nails another one...
Posted by: PBMcL || 09/09/2004 1:23 Comments || Top||

#2  The line between Scrappleface and the New York Times has ceased to exist.
Posted by: Matt || 09/09/2004 14:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Personal Website of the Chairman of Long Dead Despots for Kerry
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#4  I deeply and sincerely wish the world to know that I favor the election of John Kerry. John Kerry, though he botched the pronunciation of my name, has given me far more publicity than I could have imagined.

I therefore join with Chirac and Schroeder and urge a vote Kerry. Long live memory.
Posted by: Ghengis Khan || 09/09/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Ghenghis, dude, thank you for setting the standard by which moral midgets like John F'n Kerry can judge the outstanding nature of real (or faked) war crimes!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 09/09/2004 16:34 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Damascus authorizes military control of pharmaceutical plants
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Syria's military has been granted control of the state-owned pharmaceutical industry in what could signal a new step in the nation's chemical and biological weapons program.
Syria is begging for a wack.
Western diplomatic sources said Syria's military has been authorized to supervise activities in state-owned pharmaceutical plants. They said these plants were conducting research in a range of areas with applications for weapons of mass destruction.
No other reason for the military to take over pharmaceutical plants except for CW or WMD.
The U.S. intelligence community has determined that Syria has the largest CW program in the Middle East. Syria has also been operating a BW research program.
We lost momentum on Syria after defeating Saddam this year. Powell did the good cop thing. That did not work. Sooooo, checking the playbook .............. here........means that we really only have the bad cop play left.
On Aug. 21, Syrian Defense Minister Hassan Turkmani presided over a ceremony to open a new line of serums in the Dimas Pharmaceutical Plant.
Deputy Defense Minister Ahmed Abdel Ghani and senior generals accompanied Turkmani, who is deputy commander of the army and armed forces.
The Syrian news agency, Sana, reported that Turkmani and his delegation toured the plant and were briefed on the new line of serums. The agency did not provide details of the serums but said they would be procured by the military.
"Turkmani was also briefed in detail on the services which the serums line will offer to the armed forces and to the citizens," Sana said.
Antidotes for nasty things they make?
"Turkmani asserted the necessity of doubling and promoting action to make use of this new scientific achievement which has been realized in the framework of the modernization and development process led by President Bashar Assad."
The move to increase the military's control over the pharmaceutical industry comes as Syria has come under international pressure to dismantle its WMD program. The European Union has refused to ratify a trade agreement with Damascus until it issues such a pledge.
Looks like Syria needs to make a pledge to pacify the EUniks. If the EUniks do not have on-site inspection clauses in their agreement, the Syrians are home free. Lying to infidels is no big deal.
Syria is becoming the hornets nest for baddies, due to their cozy relationship with the Mad Mullahs of Iran. Maybe Syria needs to be dealt with first to further isolate Iran.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 09/09/2004 2:20:06 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What chemical weapons are for-
To wage a holy war!
Baby Assad has said that Ricin's sacred!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 16:09 Comments || Top||

#2  The good thing about an invasion of Syria is that there is nowhere left to evacuate the WMD to.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 20:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Just coincidence. Syria working hard on CBW and Iran working double time on nuclear. Just coincidence......right Mr. Kerry?
Posted by: john || 09/09/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Gotta big order for the Christmas season from Wal-Mart.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 20:52 Comments || Top||

#5  hmmmm. Maybe someone should warn the Jooooos? I bet they already have the GPS coords
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 20:58 Comments || Top||

#6  Frank---I imagine that we all have Lat-Long for Syrian installations. The question is what do we and/or the Israelis need to do and when. This Syria and Iran thing is getting to a head, and the EUniks will puff but will sit on the sidelines, grandstand, let us do the heavy lifting, and criticize our performance. We should be working together, but we are where we are.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 09/09/2004 21:13 Comments || Top||

#7  I do not see why Israel should even blanch at going in and bombing the crap out of these sites. Syria has in as much admitted that they are going the bio-chem weapons route. Israel will be their first point-of-use, by proxy through Hamas. Don't wait for the fatalities to mount up, saddle up and bounce the rubble for good measure. Give them what they deserve. It would only be fitting after the recent charade of Lebanon's rigged elections. Syria has no good intentions, why should Israel pretend otherwise?
Posted by: Zenster || 09/09/2004 21:34 Comments || Top||

#8  Maybe by Thanksgiving. Something tells me Sharon is not one of the foreign leaders endorsing Kerry. He'll be a good fellow till after the returns are final.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 21:41 Comments || Top||

#9  Thanksgiving may be too late. The production cycle for biological warfare agents is incredibly shorter than for nuclear devices. Think of how long it takes to brew beer. By Thanksgiving these sites could have churned out enough anthrax or botulinum to attack millions and poison untold thousands of people.

At some point, maybe after another half-dozen Beslans, the diplomatic prinking about is going to cease and there will be direct international repercussions for overt WMD buildups by terrorist sponsors. If Iran has not demonstrated this with the utmost clarity, we are all lost.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/09/2004 21:54 Comments || Top||

#10  I share your concerns about timing, but the Israelis are realists (under Sharon) and will not allow the use of CBW by the Syrians, guaranteed. By any means possible, this will not happen
Posted by: Frank G || 09/09/2004 22:09 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Tech
Hair analysis could reveal recent travels
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 01:10 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Stuart Black and his colleagues at the University of Reading are testing a new method of determining where people have lived by measuring the ratios of oxygen and hydrogen isotopes in their tissues or fluids. They presented their results at the British Association for the Advancement of Science Festival in Exeter, UK.

The isotopes, absorbed into the body from water, have predictable values for different local areas and leave a telltale signature in tissues. “Hair is particularly good because it grows about a centimetre a month,” says Black. “So it actually grows a record of not only where you have been but what you have been eating and drinking.”


I recommend clipping a hair sample of all gunnees killed fighting for Allah.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 4:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Suddenly the long beards start to make sense...
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/09/2004 4:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Suddenly the long beards start to make sense...

The habit of suicide bombers shaving excess body hair does, too. Don't they realise pubic hair's there for greasy lubrication? Rushing through 72 virgins w/nowt but a five o'clock nad shadow could result in nasty sores. So don't shave, brave f*ckers for Allah! (Particularly the baldies.)
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/09/2004 5:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Does that mean my hair is made from lager?
Posted by: Howard UK || 09/09/2004 5:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Yea Howard Lager is fermetned hair :p
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/09/2004 5:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Does that mean my hair is made from lager?

Blonde beer?

I've just thought of other names for Islamoterrorists:

Allahf*ckers, or Allah's F*ckers. Allah's F*cksquads?

I don't see why people would object to these theologically accurate proposals. Acceptable all-round, methinks.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/09/2004 6:02 Comments || Top||

#7  Stand up ye Plumshavers of Allah.
Posted by: The Hippy Hippy Sheik || 09/09/2004 6:14 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm going to drop a copy of 'Shaven Havens' round to the Al Muhajiroun stall in Lewisham market on Saturday - might give them some creative ideas for when the time comes to pop their cork.
Posted by: Howard UK || 09/09/2004 6:43 Comments || Top||

#9  1) So it actually grows a record of not only where you have been but what you have been eating and drinking

Wouldn't drinking imported lager foul up the test?

2) Rushing through 72 virgins w/nowt but a five o'clock and shadow could result in . . .

To say nothing of sore groin muscles.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#10  Going back to the story itself, I seem to remeber they did a very similar analysis on what appeared to be an important burial at the Stonehenge site and determined the occupant was most likely from present-day Switzerland (or was that Swaziland.....?)
Posted by: Mercutio || 09/09/2004 19:17 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Man Guilty in Desecration of Byrd Grave
One of two white men charged with desecrating the grave of a black man who was dragged to his death behind a pickup truck pleaded guilty Wednesday to criminal mischief. Joshua Lee Talley, 19, was sentenced by a state judge to five months in jail and 10 years probation.

James Byrd Jr. was dragged to his death by three white men in 1998. In May, racial slurs and profanities were found etched into a steel plate covering part of the vault of his grave, and his headstone had been toppled. Talley pleaded guilty to desecrating the grave out of racial prejudice, prosecutor Tom Chambers said. Talley also was fined $1,000 and ordered to pay $28,000 in restitution, perform community service and take part in a cultural awareness program. Talley will have to spend one more month in jail because he's been locked up for the past four. Tally apologized to Byrd's mother in a letter, Chambers said.

Several tips led police to arrest Talley and John M. Fowler, 19. Each was charged with one criminal mischief charge related to the desecration and seven unrelated theft, burglary and criminal mischief charges. Talley's plea means he will not face trial on the unrelated charges. He could have faced up to 10 years in prison. Fowler, free on bond, faces trial for desecrating Byrd's grave as well as the other charges, Chambers said.
Only thing lacking in Talley's plea-bargin is a good whuppin'.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/09/2004 1:09:28 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Dr. Steve, when I openned this post, I was hoping that the grave would be in West Virginia.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 4:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Just drive them into the Fifth Ward around midnight on a Saturday, and drop them off. That would do nicely.
Posted by: gromky || 09/09/2004 7:32 Comments || Top||


Cosby Defends Criticism of Black Community
Posted by: Steve White || 09/09/2004 1:08:08 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fact: 4 out of 5 Af-Am mothers do not have a husbands in California!!
Fact: Af-Am's were graduating more kids in the 1920's than today

Fact: Af-Am Teenagers have a 50% drop out rate today !

Fact: Since and when DemonCrats have been in power, they have been more dividing than unifying!

Fact: FDR was the 2nd worst thing to happen to our nation. If you believe in the "true facts" compared to the leftist drive towards their dream of utopia.

Fact: Bill Clinton will be known as the worst president of all time.

Fact: The left leaves there cause, left out...
Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 09/09/2004 1:23 Comments || Top||

#2  LHR - I respectfully disagree with your Clinton 'fact'. IMHO Jimmy Carter leaves everybody else in the dust for "worst."
Posted by: PBMcL || 09/09/2004 1:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Carter was only around for 4 years...
Clinton and his band of whores were around for 8.
China. North Korea and Serbia win hands down for Clinton. Clinton cut the military by 2/5's.
Allowed at least 6 terrorist attacks to happen without the proper responce.
Could have had the best economy known to man and could still be rolling if it were not for his complete and total ignorance of free enterprise!!
NAFTA and no way out....

Geezo..I don't want to take up anymore bandwidth...
Berger and "notsobright"....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHH....

It's a tough one considering Jimmy probably started this war with the IslamoNazi's....
But Billy could have killed them all!!

Bubba wins hands down!!
Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 09/09/2004 1:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Cosby is an interesting voice calling the black community toward introspection. Looks healthy to me. Hope they get it right for the sake of their children and the future of our country.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 2:26 Comments || Top||

#5  sh..well said!
Posted by: B || 09/09/2004 2:37 Comments || Top||

#6  It's a pity that other black community leaders in America do not stand up with Bill Cosby and help put the lie to his critics. Another sort of thundering silence, and just as damning for the future of black Americans.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/09/2004 2:41 Comments || Top||

#7  Zenster, in most case I would agree with you, but the Cosby speech appears to be a unique exception. The NAACP knew before Cosby took the mike the gist of what Cosby was going to say. They asked him only that he ensure that his remarks were funny. I think he met that requirement. In susequent appearances Cosby was asked by blacks in the audience why he would say things that would reinforce white stereotypes of blacks. His response was that he didn't give a hoot about what the whites did or thought and that he thought it was time for blacks to collectively deal with this issue.

I've got a lot of respect for what he is doing and evidently the NAACP is facilitating the effort. I am unaware of any activity of this nature that the NAACP has been involved in recently.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/09/2004 4:22 Comments || Top||

#8  SH, I agree and if the Blacks want to take care of business outside the light of MSM publicity, it's OK with me as long as they TCB. The problems are terrible and after 50 years of the WoP and civil rights legislation, the heavy lifting that remains is for them to do. I hope the rest of us are ready to help if asked and to praise performance.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/09/2004 7:30 Comments || Top||

#9  I completely agree Mrs. D! I hope that the NAACP is "secretly" backing this. However, in the original speeches Cos gave, you should've seen the look on Je$$e's and Rev. Al's faces when he was saying those things on the same stage. I think both the Rev's are coming to realize their "shelf lives" are nearing an end and may try to swap sides (to be w/ Cos) only because it makes them look good/$. I do have hope, though, seeing how that community is beginning to realize that they share more in common w/ Pres. Bush in the religion dept. than Kerry, and that recent polls show the younger generation as being something like 33% "independent" in politics (instead of towing the Demos' line wholeheartedly). As more and more of this community move into the middle class, they are shifting right. Even here in the "racist" south, our neighborhoods are being completely mixed (I personally live in Atlanta suburbs-one of the richest counties in GA- and have a black couple neighbor, a Mexican couple neighbor and a Asian (assumed Chinese) couple neighbor. We all get along GREAT!).
Posted by: BA || 09/09/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#10  The nail in the coffin of Draculan-block voting. Own your own business. Get stuck from all directions with taxes with no visible result.

Last year, in the recall here in California, the black vote for Arnie of those under 35, was about 25%. In fact, a preacher at a old line church (Jackson-Sharpton) proclaimed, "The young folk don't understand the struggle"

No, Reverend, they understood the "Struggle", thus voting to TERMINATE the former governor, Davis.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/09/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||

#11  Long Hair Republican, can you post a link for the stat about graduation results in the African American community today vs the 1920s? Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Grunter || 09/09/2004 18:34 Comments || Top||

#12  #7 The NAACP knew before Cosby took the mike the gist of what Cosby was going to say. They asked him only that he ensure that his remarks were funny. I think he met that requirement. In susequent appearances Cosby was asked by blacks in the audience why he would say things that would reinforce white stereotypes of blacks. His response was that he didn't give a hoot about what the whites did or thought and that he thought it was time for blacks to collectively deal with this issue.

SH, this is my exact point. Why aren't black mayors and business leaders up there standing behind Cosby when he is hit with the sort of audience questions cited? Trying to call career success and business acumen a negative stereotype is the sort of self-defeatist twaddle that keeps the ghettoes so well stocked with thugs. Coming down hard on such drivel as ebonics or lack of parental involvement in child rearing represent entirely valid issues to put forth, and to hell with "white stereotypes."

Cosby is one of the few people of stature trying to change that and his standard should not be borne alone. The NAACP certainly has acceess to all sorts of black leaders, why aren't they rallying them to the cause. Cosby is to be admired for taking a stand about one of the few ways out of poverty (i.e. professionalism). Why his praises aren't ringing from the rafters, I do not know, save for the usual "whitey keepin' the bruthas down" sort of horseshit.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/09/2004 19:28 Comments || Top||



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