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2006-03-02 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Italians say Evil Empire tried to off the pope

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Posted by Chinter Flarong9283 2006-03-02 12:15|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 lesee ... that was, ...uhhh... 25 years to figger that out?

Posted by Bobby 2006-03-02 12:50|| 2006-03-02 12:50|| Front Page Top

#2 25 years 'suspected'; fourteen years to figure it's safe for dissemination.

Posted by Pappy 2006-03-02 13:13|| 2006-03-02 13:13|| Front Page Top

#3 And someone gets paid for this??????????

Posted by ARMYGUY 2006-03-02 13:40|| 2006-03-02 13:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Because it's only now that some documents have been made available that shed light on just how far communist tentacles reached into the Vatican. I don't think there's any doubt now that they had spies inside the Vatican, for example.

Posted by Rafael 2006-03-02 14:08|| 2006-03-02 14:08|| Front Page Top

#5 Rafael, are you saying it (shooting JP2) was an inside job?

Posted by Grunter 2006-03-02 15:08|| 2006-03-02 15:08|| Front Page Top

#6 It depends how far you want to go with "inside job", and who you want to believe:

VATICAN CITY, April 29: The Polish priest accused of spying on the late Pope John Paul II says he may have been an idiot or naive, but not a spy, and that the accusations were part of a slander campaign to discredit the late pontiff. I have never been a spy, insisted Father Konrad Hejmo in an interview published by Italys La Repubblica Friday. Call me an idiot, or naive, but not a spy.

Father Hejmo said the accusations, which he expects will soon hit other Polish priests, are an international operation aimed at smearing the memory of Pope Wojtyla, John Paul IIs original name.

Polands centre investigating crimes committed by Nazi Germany and the countrys former communist regime said on Wednesday that father Hejmo was an informer for the Polish intelligence agency during the 1980s, after John Paul II was elected pope.

The Dominican priest said he knew that his reports on the papacy, written for the Polish bishops conference, were being used by his countrys secret services.

I spoke about it to the Holy Father once, Hejmo told Corriere della Sera newspaper. We were having lunch with other priests and all of us said we had guardian angels, meaning controllers working for the Polish government.

Even the pope knew he was being spied on, said the 69-year-old priest, who was in charge of bringing Polish pilgrims to the popes audiences.

Hejmo said his detractors had waited for John Paul IIs death on April 2 to make their accusations, because the pope would have certainly defended him.

The Vatican has so far kept silent about the accusations. But Romes Il Messaggero daily reported Friday that it was planning a statement underlining that Hejmo was not an employee of the Holy See and therefore did not have access to any confidential information.

Vatican Secretary of State Angelo Sodano, however, has asked the Polish bishops to make the statement, hoping to keep the scandal at arms length, Messaggero reported.

Hejmo acknowledged to La Repubblica having received money from a Polish man living in Germany, whom he suspects of forwarding his reports to the Polish intelligence agency.

I came to Rome without money, explained the priest. There were good-hearted priests that gave me money.

This agent also gave me money, but through the priests, Hejmo was quoted as saying. AFP

Source. (the link wasn't working when I tried it just now)

Posted by Rafael 2006-03-02 15:27|| 2006-03-02 15:27|| Front Page Top

#7 This by itself might not be significant, if you take the priest at his word, except that there is a related story to this, about the Polish communists' attempt to infiltrate the Church in Poland. They knew very well that the Church was a threat, moreso after JP2's first visit to Poland.

Posted by Rafael 2006-03-02 15:34|| 2006-03-02 15:34|| Front Page Top

#8 No link, facts or coherent thinking to back this, I'm only blowing hot air as I do best, but my impression is the commies did all they could to infiltrate and manipulate the Church from the 30's and counting, even sending thousands of sleepers into seminaries all over the world IIRC, including the USA.
Infiltration into the Church is not new (Free-masons did this a lot), in order to warp it to one's aims; for a conservative catholic, the Vatican II council or the liberation theology certainly could be indicative of the influence of liberalism and communism on its doctrine.

Pure communist spies, moles and influence agents certainly aren't too far-fetched.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-03-02 16:37|| 2006-03-02 16:37|| Front Page Top

#9 sending thousands of sleepers into seminaries all over the world IIRC, including the USA.

I have no facts behind my assertion, but I would say that they did a good job of destroying the church to the point where I have a tough time finding one outside of military chapels worth attending. The worst ones are in DC, since you need to bow before the worldly pc masters if you want to get the job. They've destroyed it in much the same way that the destroyed the liberals of old - by changing the focus to blame instead of rolling up your sleeves and providing support. For example, the Methodist Church over by the American University - the preacher was good - he understood spirituality and gave a good sermon - but the underlying message of it all was blame. For example, they didn't support the Boyscouts because of the gay issue. They prayed for the Iraqis killed by Americans but not the American soldiers.

What is the underlying message there? Blame the Boyscouts. Blame the soldiers. Blame George Bush for the war. Why, I wondered, if you think homosexuals should be allowed to be involved in youth groups, they why not start your own group and leave the boyscouts alone to do whatever good they do? It's sort of the same argument as the soup kitchens in France. If your goal is to feed the hungry and you are serving pork (a very inexpensive food) - at least you are feeding some of the hungry - no? It's a good deed. If you set up a soup kitchen for the sole purpose of NOT feeding the Muslims pork - then that's another story, but never the less, some get fed, so it is still a good deed. Nothing stops those who criticize those not providing halal meals from providing them themselves - but they don't want to do that - that requires work - they just want to blame those who do not. Blame, such an easy way to make yourself feel better and more self-righteous without actually having to DO anything or be inconvenienced in any way.

All you need to do to be self-righteous is to claim that you hold to a higher ideal than others because you criticize the good works of those who do not achieve your ideal goal.

Anyway, I could go on, but I won't. Someone said in another post the other day that children are not born to hate - they have to be taught. But that is only partly true. It his human nature to hate those who do you wrong. It requires a higher level of learning to learn the benefits of forgiveness. Forgiveness needs to be TAUGHT. The basis for our western society is built on many of the lessons of forgiveness, charity, doing unto others, etc. which were initially taught by the Christian churches. It is so ingrained in western society that we think we are born with these values, but we are not. Most western societies learned the benefits of these higher values and they incorporated to the point where they continue even in the absence of the churches. Look at Israel. But we are not born with this knowledge, it is learned and one must strive towards those goals.

Enough. I'm tired and off topic. But I think it is sad that the Christian churches, the fountain of so much good, have been denigrated to the point where they are believed to be bad. Perhaps it was the infiltraion of those who no longer teach the true values that this is the case, perhaps it is the ease of our lives today that we feel we no longer need it. Either way, it's a loss to us all.

Posted by 2b 2006-03-02 17:40|| 2006-03-02 17:40|| Front Page Top

#10

Leaders of the former Soviet Union were behind the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II in 1981

Well, duh!

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-03-02 20:05|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-03-02 20:05|| Front Page Top

#11 CLINTONISM > Cops/Judges = Mafia-Bad Guys, so why not GOD/POPE = DEVIL, as honest injun as Bill Clinton wants to give Americans the straight arrow, D *** THE TORPEDOES, gist of things by being on any and all sides of the Port-Gate issue.
Solely and Severally = Jointly and Severally = Its your fault and only your fault for trusting/voting for him.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-03-02 21:22|| 2006-03-02 21:22|| Front Page Top

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