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NYT blows another national defense story
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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-03-08 02:51|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [540 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I realize I'm being naive, but I just don't see the issue, other than interdepartmental sniping. As I understand it, the CIA is interested in big picture spy stuff: what's the overall military and political situation in this or that country, are they tilting toward us or away, how can the leadership be influenced. The State Dept. needs to speak to the government in the President's voice -- if at all possible charming the locals in the process, process visas and such for the locals, and help U.S. citizens as needed. SOCOM's efforts are narrowly targetted: find a certain type of bad guy -- one who is active in Islamo-fascist terrorism, and capture or kill him/her -- if at all possible without being noticed by the authorities. And given how even countries like Pakistan adamantly deny the presence of such terrorists on their soil, it isn't like they can complain if something should happen to them, so long as U.S. flagged helicopters aren't seen overhead.

It's a pity that Paraguayan criminal got himself killed by his poor choice of victims, but that's the downside risk of engaging in such activities with unknown subjects. He would have been better off sticking to robbing street walkers and drunks... or even getting a proper, salaried job. But I suspect the same would have happened to him had he foolishly attacked a great many of the Rantburg cadre, male or female, regardless how retired from the business some of them are. ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2006-03-08 03:40||   2006-03-08 03:40|| Front Page Top

#2 The issue is political. The CIA is a donk dominated agency. It's primary tactics are deception and betrayal. It leaks like a sieve. The DoD is a trunk dominated agency. Its primary tactics are to kill people and break things. It can keep a secret. Which would you use?

The politicization of these agencies, especially the CIA is a great mistake. DOD was not enamoured of Clinton but followed orders. The CIA has actively undermined Bush to the benefit of the nation's enemies. Things are getting fixed. Too bad, Langley.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-03-08 07:38||   2006-03-08 07:38|| Front Page Top

#3 This is an overblown story. Fact is, there are special opns underway in virtually all of the locations cited.

My take is that it is the NY Slimes that is naive. It believes that their "blockbuster" story will do damage to Rummy and the DoD, their arch enemy.

When in reality, it simply means pulling a few SF people inside, probably at the behest of the countries involved.
Posted by Captain America 2006-03-08 08:04||   2006-03-08 08:04|| Front Page Top

#4 I don't see what the big deal is. Every embassy has a miltary attache whose job is to gather military intelligence. Looks to me like these SpecOps boys are just more of the same. The CIA is just pissed because it's incompetence is showing.
Posted by Spot">Spot  2006-03-08 08:18||   2006-03-08 08:18|| Front Page Top

#5 the NY Slimes that is naive. It believes that their "blockbuster" story will do damage to Rummy and the DoD, their arch enemy.

sure does look that way.
Posted by lotp 2006-03-08 08:27||   2006-03-08 08:27|| Front Page Top

#6 We are everywhere. Resistance is futile. Think of your wives, sons, and sheep. Surrender and submit. Free MRE's and cold bottled water await you.
Posted by UnitSpokesman 2006-03-08 08:37||   2006-03-08 08:37|| Front Page Top

#7 "Senior Pentagon officials and military officers say… where some officials have viewed it… Officials said… are thought to be… officials said… could become… could give… senior embassy officials… One official who was briefed on the events, but was not authorized to discuss them, said… officials at the Special Operations Command say… officials said… appear to have… critics in Congress and the academic world have said… Officials involved in the debate say… Many current and former C.I.A. officials view… is very eager… will be viewed… in the very near future… could be… if the planned… A State Department official said… The State Department official said… by officials in other parts of the government who oppose the program… Officials involved with the program said… One official outside the military, who has been briefed on the work but is not authorized to discuss it publicly, said… It is expected to be… According to civilian and military officials… may wish to act in the future… the kind of information… may need… may not be… a political adviser on full-time assignment from the State Department… personnel from foreign embassies… One former Special Operations team member… he said on condition of anonymity, because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly… it could certainly cause… said one Special Operations commander on condition of anonymity, because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly…"

Another straight scoop from the NYT.
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-03-08 09:15||   2006-03-08 09:15|| Front Page Top

#8 You mean that the U.S. sends spies into other countries?
Posted by Perfesser 2006-03-08 09:19||   2006-03-08 09:19|| Front Page Top

#9 Next up from the NYT....the Pentagon has invasion plans on file for virtually every nation on the planet, even ones we consider friendly!

(Ya think they'll mention that they've done this since, oh, circa WW2? Nah, I didn't think they would either. But I'm sure it would be shocking, shocking, to all the right people in Manhattan.)
Posted by Desert Blondie 2006-03-08 09:22||]">[]  2006-03-08 09:22|| Front Page Top

#10 I would be mad if they were'nt doing this. The only reason they would'nt would be so papers like the NT times won't report on it. Thank God they don't worry about that.
I'll have more respect for the NYT's and othe MSM outlet's quit printing anything about Osama and his cohorts, until they answer questions, you know, like Bush, Rice and Rumsfield do daily.
Posted by plainslow 2006-03-08 09:25||   2006-03-08 09:25|| Front Page Top

#11 Operation Plan (OPLAN) XXXX covers the invasion and occupation of both Mars and Venus.
Posted by Visitor 2006-03-08 09:26||   2006-03-08 09:26|| Front Page Top

#12 Raiding the Icebox
Behind Its Warm Front, the United States Made Cold Calculations to Subdue Canada

By Peter Carlson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 2005; Page C01

Invading Canada won't be like invading Iraq: When we invade Canada, nobody will be able to grumble that we didn't have a plan.

The United States government does have a plan to invade Canada. It's a 94-page document called "Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan -- Red," with the word SECRET stamped on the cover. It's a bold plan, a bodacious plan, a step-by-step plan to invade, seize and annex our neighbor to the north. It goes like this:

First, we send a joint Army-Navy overseas force to capture the port city of Halifax, cutting the Canadians off from their British allies.

Then we seize Canadian power plants near Niagara Falls, so they freeze in the dark.

Then the U.S. Army invades on three fronts -- marching from Vermont to take Montreal and Quebec, charging out of North Dakota to grab the railroad center at Winnipeg, and storming out of the Midwest to capture the strategic nickel mines of Ontario.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Navy seizes the Great Lakes and blockades Canada's Atlantic and Pacific ports.


It sounds like a joke but it's not. War Plan Red is real. It was drawn up and approved by the War Department in 1930, then updated in 1934 and 1935. It was declassified in 1974 and the word "SECRET" crossed out with a heavy pencil. Now it sits in a little gray box in the National Archives in College Park, available to anybody, even Canadian spies. They can photocopy it for 15 cents a page.

War Plan Red was actually designed for a war with England. In the late 1920s, American military strategists developed plans for a war with Japan (code name Orange), Germany (Black), Mexico (Green) and England (Red). The Americans imagined a conflict between the United States (Blue) and England over international trade: "The war aim of RED in a war with BLUE is conceived to be the definite elimination of BLUE as an important economic and commercial rival."

In the event of war, the American planners figured that England would use Canada (Crimson) -- then a quasi-pseudo-semi-independent British dominion -- as a launching pad for "a direct invasion of BLUE territory." That invasion might come overland, with British and Canadian troops attacking Buffalo, Detroit and Albany. Or it might come by sea, with amphibious landings on various American beaches -- including Rehoboth and Ocean City, both of which were identified by the planners as "excellent" sites for a Brit beachhead.

more here
Posted by Phaitch Unereth9076 2006-03-08 10:38||   2006-03-08 10:38|| Front Page Top

#13 If these "teams" are the hunter / killer wetwork squads that are so dearly needed, I'm all for them. Blowing their cover did nobody any good except our enemies, but that seems to be a major preoccupation for the MSM of late.

If America's various estates cannot achieve some sort of concensus on just how critical it is to conduct a swift and decisive campaign against terrorism on foreign shores, it will arrive here in at least one or two extremely brutal events (e.g., biochem or nuclear attack).

Once that happens, martial law will be a likely result and those news outlets who have become so accustomed to abetting our enemies may suddenly find themselves answering charges of sedition or treason. One can only hope that the public's response will be to boycott these ink-stained traitors and put them out of business for good. Sadly, our public is so ill informed as to be incapable of doing this now, when it might benefit us better.
Posted by Zenster 2006-03-08 11:46||   2006-03-08 11:46|| Front Page Top

#14 CIA still looks to "State Centered" in an era of transnational terror and failed states.

The SpecOps in a hotel makes sense.
Posted by mumbles 2006-03-08 11:51||   2006-03-08 11:51|| Front Page Top

#15 We need a pic of Rummy sitting in front of the tube last night, beer in hand, watching "The Unit." Anyone think this was timed with that show last night?

On another front, if the NYT is to be believed, this answers my buddy's prayer after watching "The Unit" last night...."God, I hope we have men like them in real life."
Posted by BA 2006-03-08 12:14||   2006-03-08 12:14|| Front Page Top

#16 Rumsfeld knows exactly what he's doing. He's been lied to, deceived, and excluded from worthwhile intelligence by the CIA. He knows he can trust the military to tell him the truth. I only wish the President had the cojones to shut down the CIA completely and rebuild it from the ground up. Maybe once Rumsfeld has the people he wants in place, Bush will do that. Frankly, there are a lot of people in the DC area that need a one-way ticket to the boondocks of Alaska, in their tropical attire, in January. Maybe even delivered from 20,000 feet. I personally know several dozen people there that I would have no qualms something like that happening to them. They need to be totally separated from the US government, and without a retirement check or benefits.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-03-08 23:30||]">[]  2006-03-08 23:30|| Front Page Top

#17 Sounds like the Jeopardy answer to "What do we do with Gitmo after the courts force the release of the jihadists?"

Since we didn't shoot them where they stood.
Posted by Flomoting Ebbeanter8112 2006-03-08 23:37||   2006-03-08 23:37|| Front Page Top

#18 Whom we should shoot was left intentionally vague.
Posted by Flomoting Ebbeanter8112 2006-03-08 23:38||   2006-03-08 23:38|| Front Page Top

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