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2013-11-16 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Turkey Warns against Syrian Kurd Autonomy
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Posted by Fred 2013-11-16 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [500 views ]  Top
 File under: Govt of Syria 

#1 Maybe Kurdistan is on the horizon?

But there will be a lot of blood spilled before that happens. Too bad Champ would never lift a finger to help the downtrodden Kurdish people achieve their right of self-determination.
Posted by Bobby 2013-11-16 11:17||   2013-11-16 11:17|| Front Page Top

#2 Pardon my rather bare language, but... Fuck the Turks. They have been repressing the Kurds for a long time. Kurds have been among the best friend US forces had in that region. They let the 173rd land unopposed when the Turks denied the 3rd ID access to their ports back when OIF started. Kurdistan would be a valuable ally if it were carved out of parts of Turjey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. And because of those neighbors they would naturally gravitate towards Jordan as an Arab ally, and definitely want the US as an ally - from the no-fly zone through OIF, the US has helped the kurds,and vice versa. If we had a any sense, the intelligence services and diplomatic folks would have been laying the groundwork for this for a decade. Bush and Obama have both missed a great opportunity at reshaping the central middle east.
Posted by OldSpook 2013-11-16 17:49||   2013-11-16 17:49|| Front Page Top

#3 Note: this is not an endorsement of the Peshmerga and other communist style guerillas. But one should note well that the Kurds despise Al Qaeda nearly as much as we do. and have a serious axe to grind with Baathists (Syria, formerly Iraq as well), and Persians (Iran), and the Turks for the severe discrimination and active repression of Kurds inside their borders.

Kurdistan scares the crap out of the Turks, and for good reason -- a large portion of Turkey in the south and west is majority Kurd, and has been systematically repressed for decades. These folks have seen how liberty works with their cousins in Iraq, and if Kurdistan comes into existence in Syria, that means even more pressure in Turkey and Iran.
Posted by OldSpook 2013-11-16 17:54||   2013-11-16 17:54|| Front Page Top

#4 
Posted by OldSpook 2013-11-16 17:59||   2013-11-16 17:59|| Front Page Top

#5 Oil and gas wells in Turkey

Posted by OldSpook 2013-11-16 18:03||   2013-11-16 18:03|| Front Page Top

#6 And there you have it: Why Turks dont want the Kurds to have independance, and why the repress them: The Turks are taking the gas and oil, keeping the money, and repressing the Kurds to do so.
Posted by OldSpook 2013-11-16 18:04||   2013-11-16 18:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Excellent Briefing OldSpook, reminds me of my Morning Briefing days back in the company.

Dobra, Dobra, Ochin Harasho !


Posted by Phusoger Prince of the Lichtensteiners7911 2013-11-16 18:13||   2013-11-16 18:13|| Front Page Top

#8  If we had a any sense, the intelligence services and diplomatic folks would have been laying the groundwork for this for a decade.

A big 'if' at anytime, and an impossible one now.
Posted by Glenmore 2013-11-16 18:32||   2013-11-16 18:32|| Front Page Top

#9 Без проблем
Posted by OldSpook 2013-11-16 18:35||   2013-11-16 18:35|| Front Page Top

#10 Glenmore, I was beating this drum back before OIF started, in the codeword/compartmentalized world I was living in at the time. For whatever reason, there was top-down resistance to even hearing this message.

I've experienced resistance to intel due to "thats not how I think" (but is is how THEY think!), "thats not what I want to hear" (but its what the facts are), "That doesnt fit my plan" (so change the plan to fit reality), and "Your jsut an analyst" (I do this job because Im damned good at it - better than you are - so why are you ignoring my work product that you ordered me to produce) .

But resistance of this sort "Sorry, we don't even want you to give the brief, go away and do not mention this again" stinks of politics, payoffs and other stupidities that cause wars and cost military (and civilian) lives.
Posted by OldSpook 2013-11-16 18:44||   2013-11-16 18:44|| Front Page Top

#11 Thank you for the excellent information, OS.
Posted by Barbara 2013-11-16 20:52||   2013-11-16 20:52|| Front Page Top

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