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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Animal Pregnancy Baffles Mo. Zoo Curators
Lots of news from our animal friends today.
For some reason today's been an absolute zoo...
No, it is not time for a lecture on the birds and the beasts; they aren’t that baffled.
Despite a daily regimen of birth control pills, Merah the orangutan is pregnant. And St. Louis Zoo officials are uncertain who the father is.
(Insert Clinton joke)
"Needless to say, we have a lot of unanswered questions," primate curator Ingrid Porton said. "It’s a little embarrassing, I have to admit." Diligent about trying to prevent overcrowding and inbreeding, zookeepers have been giving 35-year-old Merah a daily birth control pill mixed into yogurt and honey. Porton suspects the mixture either spilled or was swiped by her 8-year-old son Sugi.
Where do you get orangutan birth-control pills? Is that a big market?
The how is less important than the who, however. Scientists hope the father is 40-year-old Junior, a previous mate with great genes.
40 is geezer-hood for orangutans. Orang-Viagra maybe?
You mean the little orange pill?
They concede it could be Sugi, Merah and Junior’s son. Merah has had liaisons with both. "That’s not uncommon in the wild or in captivity," Porton said.
Orangutans are native to Indonesia and Malaysia, both Muslim countries. How long before someone issues a fatwa against the zoo for not keeping Merah in a burqa?
Tests will determine paternity. Merah appears near the end of her eight-month term.
Baby orangutans are really cute. Orangs are said to be friendlier and less agressive than the other great apes.
"If she is pregnant by Sugi, it’s not the worst thing in the world. It’s successive inbreeding that is a problem," Porton said.
"Just look at the Al Saud family," he added.
"But if she’s pregnant by Junior, it’s a wonderful thing."
Well, it’ll be hard to enforce a child support order, since the father is presumably already locked up.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 05/10/2004 8:20:06 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  " it’ll be hard to enforce a child support order, since the father is presumably already locked up"

...and he makes peanuts anyway...
Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 05/10/2004 22:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Mucky, what have you been doing recently?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 05/10/2004 23:31 Comments || Top||


PETA Protests Butterfly Release
You thought lobsters have it bad
There won’t be a butterfly release at Saturday’s conclusion of the Flight of the Butterfly Festival. The animal rights activist group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals protested the release of 1,000 butterflies, saying it was inhumane and cruel.
Keep ’em prisoners in butterfly Abu Ghraib instead.
Instead, festival organizers at the Lake Elsinore Outlets will float butterfly-shaped balloons.
Awww. How cute.
Wait, won’t the balloons pop and be eaten by the yellow stripped spanish warbler and occlude their breathing and eating passages causing an agonizing death? Better to cancel the Festival altogether
The outlet says it decided to scrub the butterfly release after receiving a letter from PETA requesting a more humane culmination to the event. PETA says such releases are used mostly for wedding celebrations and memorials. But a spokeswoman says butterflies have to struggle to get out of envelopes and boxes.
What is PETA going to do about the agony of leaving the cocoon?

We need a new category for animal stories
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 05/10/2004 3:04:45 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  First lobsters, and now butterflies, PTEA only has two stories today. They're slipping.

The British Post Office had better watch themselves. PETA in England will demand that a certain percentage of mail carriers offer themselves to be cat scratching posts.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:08 Comments || Top||

#2  PETA Protests Butterfly Release = Dangerous quantities of spare time.

I guess this make me an animal abuser for having raised Monarch butterflies when I was a child. I feel so dirty.


Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Maybe the best use of time for the PETA people is to be rallying for the butterflies.
Posted by: Carlos || 05/10/2004 15:15 Comments || Top||

#4  You are right Carlos. Keep them off the roads.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||

#5  I'lll be giving this subject just a teensy bit of thought as I toss a slab of ribs on the barbecue this evening for dinner.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/10/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#6  My family is always amused at PETA. Particularly yesterday as we enjoyed our pieces of Sirloin at "Fridays" for Mother's day dinner.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||

#7  Note to PETA - I've eaten so much delicious red meat off the BBQ this week that I've almost got a mild case of gout :-)

tonight? Veal...mmmmm
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#8  I should never kid myself into thinking that I have heard it all. PETA has to be the magnet for the mentally afflicted. And, as somebody has pointed out, the mentally afflicted with too much time and money on their hands.

THE MADNESS...WHEN WILL IT END!!?!?!?!
Posted by: anymouse || 05/10/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#9  By all means, keep them off the road. PETAns make terrible splatters on windshields.
Posted by: ed || 05/10/2004 16:19 Comments || Top||

#10  Does anyone think Rush's parody song, "In A Yugo", would be appropriate here?
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#11  hmmmm. time to break out ole trusty checkbook agan.
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/10/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||

#12  The idiots are the ones who listened to them.
Posted by: djohn66 || 05/10/2004 18:11 Comments || Top||


Cruel and unusual lobstering?
Lovers of live lobsters -- as opposed to boiled ones -- in Massachusetts are angry about a barroom arcade game in which patrons win a live lobster. They say it demeans the crustacean in question, reports the Lowell Sun.
How can you demean a lobster?
The game in question, dubbed the Lobster Zone, features a 50-gallon tank with flashy lighting and sound effects. For $2, customers get a shot at plucking one of the critters out of the tank with a metal claw. Rose McGarry, who saw one of the machines at J.J. Boomers, called the game cruel. "The things go crazy when they hear the music," she said. "They’re realizing they are going to meet their doom."
Those of a certain age might be reminded of the classic SNL episode: "Should we save Larry, or kill Larry? Call our 900 number now!"
Posted by: Mike || 05/10/2004 2:38:14 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lobsters aren't stuffed animals," said William Rivas-Rivas, spokesman for PETA.

Usual suspects.

Of course they aren't stuffed when they are alive, but you can make dandy a lobster stuffing once they are cooked.



Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 14:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Yummmmm! Serve 'em up!
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#3  How can you demean a lobster?

Announce that it has crabs?
Posted by: ed || 05/10/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#4  "The things go crazy when they hear the music," she said...

Obviously they're Rock Lobsters
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 15:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Stuffed Lobster Recipe

Courtesy Food Network for all you PETA folks out there.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:19 Comments || Top||

#6  Cruel and unusual lobstering = Throwing out any edible leftovers.

To quote a Maine lobsterman, "If the roles were reversed don't think that a lobster would hesitate for once second to make dinner out of you." He||, these cockroaches-of-the-sea eat each other, fer criminey sakes!

Oh, and for accuracy's sake, lobsters can too be stuffed animals. Merely split the tail and liberally apply a mirepoix of shallots, chives and diced yellow tomato sauteed in butter. Broil for 15 minutes. YUM!

How can you demean a lobster?

Point at his nether regions and say he's shrimpy!
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 15:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Heads up to my fellow RBers:
If you haven't gotten a Lobstergram yet, which I heard about on Sean Hannity's radio show, you haven't lived!
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#8  well i guess lobsters have evoloved - according to these dingbats they now associate music with dying...

some tasty critters......boil em up!

Posted by: Dan || 05/10/2004 17:51 Comments || Top||

#9  boiling animals alive is just plane cruel. how would you like being boil alive.
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/10/2004 18:24 Comments || Top||

#10  It's a pretty far stretch to call a lobster an "animal" - it's more like "giant sea insect".

And I'm rather surprised to see this - I saw a claw machine, only with live crabs instead of stuffed animals, in Kabukicho in Japan. Picture here. Note the video feed from a camera mounted on the claw, as well as some plastic bags for use should you actually bag one.

Wierd, just wierd. And this was in an otherwise mundane arcade.
Posted by: gromky || 05/10/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||

#11  gromky - you got it. Actually the closest land relative of the lobster is the scorpion. Stomp or be stung!
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 20:10 Comments || Top||


Oral sex lessons to cut rates of teenage pregnancy
Since today seems to be turning into the Spice Channel meets Animal Planet
Encouraging schoolchildren to nibble at each other's pee-pees experiment with oral sex could prove the most effective way of curbing teenage pregnancy rates, a government study has found.
"Marv, Tiffany's face is round as a basketball!"
"Hmmm... I think she has the mumps!"
"Thank God! I was afraid she was... pregnant!"
Pupils under 16 who were taught to consider other forms of ’intimacy’ such as oral sex were significantly less likely to engage in full intercourse, it was revealed.
Sure they'll stop
"Gosh! I never thought it'd fit in your ear!"
"What?"
Britain’s teenage pregnancy rate is the highest in Europe. In 2002 there were 39,286 teen pregnancies recorded. The government has spent more than £60 million to tackle the problem but so far failed to halt the rise. A sex education course developed by Exeter University trains teachers to talk to teenagers about ’stopping points’ before full sex.
"Don't! Stop! Don't! Stop! Don't Stop! don'tstopdontstop........
Now an unpublished government-backed report reveals that a trial of the course has been a success. Schoolchildren, particularly girls, who received such training developed a ’more mature’ response to sex.
Where was this training when I was in school?
I think we were all self-taught back then.
The study by the National Foundation for Educational Research found youngsters were ’less likely to be sexually active’ than peers who received traditional forms of sex education, dispelling the fears of family campaigners who believe such methods actually arouse the sexual interest of teenagers.
And the Foundation wouldn't lie.
Now the government will recommend the scheme, called "A Pause", to schools throughout England and Wales following the success of the trial in 104 schools where sexual intercourse among 16-year-olds fell by up to 20 per cent, according to Dr John Tripp of the Department of Child Health at the University of Exeter, who helped to design the course. Teachers who sign up to the course are primed to deal with queries from pupils on all kinds of sexual experience. Those behind the course stress the scheme does not suggest teenagers experiment with oral sex. Instead they say "A Pause" promotes the message that other forms of physical intimacy are safer than full intercourse.
"I ned not in my node, dammit!"
’It teaches people assertiveness skills and that they should be only as intimate as they feel comfortable with,’ said Tripp.
Or what they are taught they should be comfortable with.
A Department for Education and Skills spokesman said the report’s verdict would be made available to all schools. ’All teachers respect peer-reviewed material, and this will help influence their decision,’ he said.
"Ok, who wants to teach the girls oral sex class......Chester, put your hand down, the answer is still no!"

We need to look at this kind of thinking and the behavior of the people at Abu Ghraib and ask if there are any connections.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 05/10/2004 2:02:17 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Does this course have a lab session?
Posted by: Mercutio || 05/10/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Can they take it pass - fail (need I mention the sole determining criteria)?
Posted by: Raj || 05/10/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#3  We need to look at this kind of thinking and the behavior of the people at Abu Ghraib and ask if there are any connections.

That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've read. Why does everyone feel the need to score political points off of what should be a simple law-and-order issue?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 05/10/2004 14:40 Comments || Top||

#4  This is child abuse pure and simple. How disgusting that parents allow these leftist creeps to get away with this sh*t. Here little girl, this is how to do a bj to pleasure us big boys..what a bunch of corrupt, sexist, pornographer perverts. Bleghh. Sorry, but I'm thinking the western world is getting their just desserts (and no, I'm not condoning terrorism) but the western world is sick and getting sicker.
Posted by: AnonymousJ || 05/10/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#5  RC,

Consider; order is all about behavior. What kind of behavior are our kids being told is acceptable? And not just by the government in school, but business in advertising and parents in the divorce rate. This lowering of standards is related to people taking and distributing the pictures that have graced our screens for days. I agree with anonymous J that it has gone too far and that there are consequences. That they are just desserts is too far for me, but that there is a relation is not.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 05/10/2004 15:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Oral Sex - Bill Clinton's True Legacy.
Posted by: Random thoughts || 05/10/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||

#7  I find this advice hard to swallow...
Posted by: Raj || 05/10/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#8  And the U.K. continues its downward spiral.....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/10/2004 15:48 Comments || Top||

#9  RT - Monica said yes, Paula said no.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:57 Comments || Top||

#10  Doesn't matter BE. All Clinton hears is "yes", just like his wife.
Posted by: Charles || 05/10/2004 18:48 Comments || Top||

#11  Ask Juanita Broderick.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 05/10/2004 19:01 Comments || Top||

#12  peace now--no war for oil--not in our name--suck don't fuck
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 05/11/2004 0:35 Comments || Top||


Man Fatally Bitten by Sexually Aroused Horse
Important safety tip here...
A sexually excited stallion bit a Polish man to death when he tried to calm the beast, which had become uncontrollably aroused by a nearby mare, police said. "The 24-year-old man, identified as Robert R., was bitten when he tried to calm his horse, which had become unsettled by the presence of a mare in the vicinity," a duty officer in the Baltic port of Szczecin told Reuters. The horse went wild and began straining and bucking while pulling a farm cart through the village. An autopsy would determine whether the direct cause of death was a severed jugular vein or damaged spine.
Posted by: Fred || 05/10/2004 1:27:50 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Horses...why do they love us?
Posted by: Sgt.DT || 05/10/2004 13:41 Comments || Top||

#2  watched too many Marv Albert stories, huh?
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||

#3  this horse not get enuff love to.
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/10/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#4  become unsettled by the presence of a mare in the vicinity

Unsettled? This is the first time I ever heard unsettled used as a synonym for horny.

Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Im once was pinned up against a stray nail in a stall when some damn dip brought a mare into the wrong barn.
Posted by: Shipman || 05/10/2004 16:04 Comments || Top||

#6  #4 More than horny.

Anyone who comes between a stallion and a mare in heat is a direct competitor, as far as the stallion is concerned, especially if they smell of testosterone, no matter which species.

Have you ever SEEN films of stallions fighting? Teeth, hooves ... the fights can result in death even to a horse, not to mention we punier humans.

Shiver.
Posted by: rkb || 05/10/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||

#7  So they don't care what species you are if they're in heat rkb? That explains all those vidoes....
Posted by: Charles || 05/10/2004 18:52 Comments || Top||

#8  Hmmm ... exactly which videos do you mean, Charles? LOL I don't remember anything like that in Black beauty or in Man from Snowy River either. But then, I don't watch videos often ... Perhaps your viewing habits are ... umm ... more eclectic than mine.
Posted by: rkb || 05/10/2004 19:43 Comments || Top||

#9  Wilbur...is that a carrot in your pocket?
Posted by: Mr Ed || 05/10/2004 21:53 Comments || Top||

#10  That depends. You gonna nibble or bite?
Posted by: Wilbur || 05/10/2004 21:56 Comments || Top||


Cat maims Postman
Terrified postmen are refusing to deliver mail to a house — because they are scared of a dangerous CAT.
Cat's, why do they hate us?

They say their hands are being ripped to shreds by ginger tom Bat as they shove post through the cat flap.
"Doc, every time I put my hand through the flap it gets ripped to shreds!"
"Well, stop doing that."

The posties also claim the six-year-old moggie claws their legs with vicious swipes. Now bosses have sent owner Dan Coyne a letter saying deliveries are suspended because of the “guard cat”.
Stunned Dan, 23, said last night: “I can’t believe they are scared of him.”
Bunch of pussies
But the sales manager did admit: “Bat is a bit of a psycho and has been known to launch himself at people. “He gets very wound up by the postman and sits under the cat flap waiting for him. As the postie pushes the letters through, I’ve seen Bat try to swipe him with his claws.'
I'll bet the cat watches the clock and is waiting for them to show up.

“He was a rescue cat and is only little — but he does get stroppy.”
The Royal Mail letter said: “The postmen are experiencing problems with your Guard Cat. Sounds ridiculous I know, but as they deliver through the flap the cat scratches them. More incredible than this, your cat has been known to jump on the postmen’s leg and dig its claws in.”
Go ahead laugh, cat owners know cats are a soft bundle of fluff covering a handful of razor blades.
Dan said he has a letter box, but posties used the flap because it was easier. He added: “If they are that scared they should use the box. It is ridiculous.”The Royal Mail said: “Staff safety is paramount. We are discussing the possibility of a box on the gate.”
"It's a cat! Run away!"
"How many did we lose? ... Three? Only three?"
Posted by: Steve || 05/10/2004 1:14:26 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  just why do they put the mail trough the doggy door...
Posted by: Dan || 05/10/2004 13:41 Comments || Top||

#2  sound like he not get enuff love as kitten.
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/10/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Cat Scratch Fever!
Posted by: Raj || 05/10/2004 14:07 Comments || Top||

#4  Raj - great pic of the "whack master".
Posted by: Jarhead || 05/10/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Caterror

Is is just me or is this cat drooling?

I have two cats, and they don't ever look like this.

Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#6  Our mail handlers could handle this. AND 10 THOUSAND OTHER CATS, DAWGS AND ASSORTED BIPED WHO MIGHT PISS US OFF.
Posted by: Shipman || 05/10/2004 16:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Nothing that a quick shot of mace through that "cat flap" can't cure. Just wear one of those chain-mail meatcutter's gloves, shake up the aerosol tin really well, tease things about with a postcard to verify combatant status and then spray like you're tagging a crack-house door.

Of course, PETA attorneys would be wringing their way overseas within seconds of the first agonized feline yowl, but the gratification alone would be so worth it.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Had to laugh at this one. An English Cocker Spaniel I bred takes great offense when the mailman pushes mail through her family's front door slot. She grabs the letters and tries to push them back outside.

Last I heard, her owners were thinking of training her to distinguish junk mail from stuff they want ....
Posted by: rkb || 05/10/2004 16:48 Comments || Top||

#9  We didn't they just hit the bloody cat? If they're being attacked, they have a right to self defense.
Posted by: Charles || 05/10/2004 18:57 Comments || Top||


Signs and Portents: A Plague of Frogs
But there's a good side, it's San Francisco!
California biologists are expressing alarm over the latest invasive species to take up residence in this city: African clawed frogs, which can survive tough conditions, eat just about anything and tend to breed like crazy. Even worse, they're kind of cute -- and thus more likely to be whisked away by children and dumped into other ponds, where they spread even more. "They are a threat," said Dr. David Wake, an emeritus professor of integrative biology at UC-Berkeley. "They've been introduced in southern California and...they change the environment quite profoundly."

Native to the African nation of Kenya, the frogs are able to live under ice, in the ground, and in bodies of water that are nearly half saltwater. They alter ecosystems by gobbling up insects, fish, lizards and even birds that manage to fit into their large, tongueless mouths. They are also able to burrow into the ground to survive dry conditions and have been known to prey on the state's endangered red-legged frog. The African frogs, outlawed in California as pets several years ago, are typically used in medical and biological research. Biologists theorize that their residence in Golden Gate Park's Lily Pond and in areas of Southern California may be due to researchers depositing the frogs in the ponds to save them from destruction. Pet stores and collectors wary of being slapped with fines of up to $1,000 may have also have released them into local creeks and ponds.

Susan Ellis, the department's invasive species coordinator, said budget constraints forced her department to divert funds to more threatening species on California's long list of invasive organisms, including the New Zealand mud snail and the northern pike that has taken over Lake Davis, near the Sierra community of Portola. "We would like to get those frogs out of that pond," Ellis said. "But because of our current situation with budget cuts and personnel, it just isn't at that point. Some of the rehabilitation of the ponds has been slowed and this pond is not on the list." But some, including Young, say the department is more worried about failure than budgets, especially in light of the bad publicity the department received following efforts to eradicate the northern pike at Lake Davis in 1997. State wildlife officials pumped 50,000 pounds of poison into the lake in an effort to get rid of the voracious invasive fish, which threatens the lake's trout population and downstream salmon. The effort caused an uproar among Portola residents who rely on the lake for their drinking water and for tourist dollars from vacationers. The poison stayed in the lake for weeks and killed most of the animal life -- except, for some reason, the northern pike, which still thrive there today.
Just put the pike in the pond with the frogs, they'll clean them out.
Posted by: Steve || 05/10/2004 9:35:50 AM || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Biologists theorize that their residence in Golden Gate Park's Lily Pond and in areas of Southern California may be due to researchers depositing the frogs in the ponds to save them from destruction. Pet stores and collectors wary of being slapped with fines of up to $1,000 may have also have released them into local creeks and ponds


Two prime examples of the law of unintended consequences. The eco-types seldom think things through.
Posted by: RWV || 05/10/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#2  The 17-year cycle of cicada plagues is hitting this year again, too. Look for several million of the critters infesting Ohio in the next few weeks.
Posted by: Dar || 05/10/2004 10:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh, forgot the obligatory:

African frogs--why do they hate us?
Posted by: Dar || 05/10/2004 10:37 Comments || Top||

#4  The 17-year cycle of cicada plagues is hitting this year again, too. Look for several million of the critters infesting Ohio in the next few weeks.

Given the amount of press hype they've gotten, I expect the cicadas to cancel their appearance just to embarass the media.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 05/10/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Ahhhhh crap - more of the obligatory: "you fry them up and they taste kinda like chicken..."


Uh noooooo, they taste like a fried BUG!
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#6  Mmm fried bug.

Tarantula tastes a bit like crab, you know?
Posted by: Bulldog || 05/10/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#7  Even worse, they're kind of cute -- and thus more likely to be whisked away by children and dumped into other ponds, where they spread even more.

Nah,I think the kids make a good pesticide:
"Come with me my froggy friend! Live in my pond! *squish* Now why does that keep happening?"
Posted by: Miss Gunn || 05/10/2004 10:55 Comments || Top||

#8  Atkins diet heaven frogs and crickets for free
Posted by: Shipman || 05/10/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm not worried untill the giant locusts show up.
Posted by: N guard || 05/10/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#10  Maybe we could send them the snakehead that is infesting Maryland lakes again this year. Could be fun to watch the snakehead and the pike fight it out ...
Posted by: Sofia || 05/10/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#11 

TODAY, SAN FRANCISCO, TOMORROW, THE WORLD!

Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#12  Maybe we could send them the snakehead that is infesting Maryland lakes again this year. Could be fun to watch the snakehead and the pike fight it out ...

I like that idea. I like the idea of recruiting the NRA to solve the frog problem even more. We wouldn't have "invasion" problems on this scale if the Left would just let us kill the buggers. Unfortuneatly, the Left doesn't seem to understand the term "Pre-emptive strike".
Posted by: Charles || 05/10/2004 13:07 Comments || Top||

#13  this not good but it not eco peples fault! this happen when fascist greedy aquarium trade peples go taking animal out of natural envirement to make money. the frog are going do great damage in one of the world most beutyful emvirement. the jerk that put northern pike in california lake is doing alot of harm native trout species just so he can get kick out of hooking northern pike in blood sport. salton sea basin nearly see all native species disappear because jack ass put cichlid in it.
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/10/2004 13:41 Comments || Top||

#14  Of course, mucky, chainney's behind it, right?
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||

#15  ummmm cichlids in salton sea? how about corvina? BTW what was native before, Mucky? dust devils? spotted dirt fish?
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#16  pupfish were native.
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/10/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#17  WTF is a pupfish?!?
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 14:06 Comments || Top||

#18  there family cyprinads that have blue color with yellowish tail. grow about 2 to 3 inches.
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/10/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||

#19  Bzzzzt - pupfish live in seasonal vernal pools, Salton Sea is a man-made body of water when the Colorado burst a levee
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#20  Frank G - Yes. Few people know about that. Look at a map of California in the 19th century. Curiously the Salton sea area - below sea level was the lowest elevation on Earth before the Salton Sea, and NO ONE relaized it.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 16:03 Comments || Top||

#21  I'm knowing muck4doo don't have a pork chop around his neck.
Posted by: Fury 4 || 05/10/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#22  frank g! you doubting me on this? im going have to whip out my superior debate skillz on you now. be back in minute. you are sooooo wrong buddy.
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/11/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||

#23  here is some information of which there is lot more here.

FIGURES

Figure 1. Distribution of desert pupfish and designated critical habitat around the Salton Sea, California.

1.0 Introduction

&##9;The desert pupfish (Cyprinodontidae, Cyprinodon macularius (Baird and Girard 1853)) is the only fish endemic to the Salton Sink. There are two subspecies in the United States: a Colorado River form (C. m. macularius Baird and Girard) and a Quitobaquito form (C. m. eremus Miller and Fuiman) (Marsh and Sada 1993). This report focuses on C. m. macularius, whose wild populations occur around the Salton Sea (Marsh and Sada 1993). Information was obtained from a literature search conducted by the California Department of Fish and Game (CDFG), an internet search, and from the library at the Bureau of Reclamation in Denver, Colorado. Recent unpublished survey data were obtained from CDFG.

and furthemore mister g:

2.0 Distribution and Abundance in the Salton Sea

&##9;Desert pupfish were once widespread and abundant in portions of southern Arizona and southeastern California, United States, and northern Baja California and Sonora, Mexico (Miller 1943). In 1859, Girard first reported desert pupfish in California in some saline springs in Imperial County (Jordan, Evermann, and Clark 1930). After the Salton Sink was flooded in 1904-1907 by diversion of the Colorado River, desert pupfish colonized what is now known as the Salton Sea (Thompson and Bryant 1920) and was reported as "abundant" by several authors (Coleman 1929; Cowles 1934; Barlow 1958, 1961; Walker 1961). However, only Barlow (1961) provided an estimate of 10,000 individuals in a single shoreline pool of the Salton Sea. Collections made by CDFG and others, including Schoenherr (1979), in the late 1950s to early 1960s indicated that desert pupfish abundance at the Salton Sea was severely declining (Black 1980). In surveys conducted by CDFG in 1978-1979, desert pupfish accounted for 3 percent of the total catch in irrigation drains, 5 percent of the catch from shoreline pools, and less than 1 percent of the catch from three natural permanent tributaries and the Salton Sea proper (Black 1980). However, desert pupfish accounted for 70 percent of the total catch from San Felipe Creek, an intermittent tributary to the Salton Sea.

&##9;The desert pupfish was listed as a California endangered species in1980 (CDFG 1980). The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) listed this species and its critical habitat as endangered in 1986 because of habitat alteration, introductions of exotic species and contaminants, and other habitat impacts (FWS 1986). Designated critical habitat includes San Felipe Creek, Carrizo Wash, and Fish Creek Wash in Imperial County, California (FWS 1986). Figure 1 shows the general distribution of desert pupfish around the Salton Sea. Current desert pupfish populations occur in drains directly discharging to the Salton Sea, in shoreline pools of the Salton Sea, several artificial refugia, and in desert washes at San Felipe Creek and Salt Creek. Pupfish are not known to occur in the New or Alamo Rivers because of the high sediment loads, excessive velocities, and presence of predators (Imperial Irrigation District 1994).

never debate me animal issues. im always watch animal planet learn lot of stuff!
Posted by: muck4doo || 05/11/2004 12:45 Comments || Top||

#24  Im learn stuf too Mucky - pupfish are native to vernal (seasonal pools) and thrive during wet seasons - see also: Fairy Shrimp. As you noted, they also occur in the Colorado River, and in other saline springs. The Salton Sea is manmade through error, has no outlet, and with the increasing salinity, and chemical load from farming runoff into tributaries, is becoming inhospitable to most species.... it was a non-natural body of water, and without major HUMAN intervention, will become a dead sea. I don't disagree that it should be maintained, it's a major bird stopoff in the migratory pattern, and I love Quail and Dove mmmm (or as Petaenespanol would say: Me gusta el carne)
;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 05/11/2004 12:57 Comments || Top||


French cop arrested in fishnet tights, nothing else
Hat tip Merde in France
A French policeman faces trial in a police court for driving under the influence after he was stopped at the wheel of his car drunk and wearing only a pair of fishnet tights, a prosecutor said Friday. The man admitted he was a part-time prostitute after fellow police chased him through the Bois de Boulogne, a wooded area on the outskirts of Paris reputed as a nighttime hangout of transsexual prostitutes, in the early hours of Thursday. The policeman said he needed the extra income. If convicted, he could lose his driver’s license and be fined. Prosecutors said there was not enough evidence to try him for passive soliciting, which is punishable by prison in France.
Posted by: tipper || 05/10/2004 12:53:52 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "If convicted, he could lose his driver’s license and be fined."

But he would still be a cop???
Posted by: PBMcL || 05/10/2004 1:35 Comments || Top||

#2  origin of the term: "cop a feel"
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 9:47 Comments || Top||

#3  "It's a fairy cop"
Posted by: Bulldog || 05/10/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#4  . . . .but honest, they were a rememberance from my girlfriend who is on a long overseas journey acting as a human shield against the Americans in Baghdad.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 11:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Does this story is no story at all. What did you expect?
Posted by: Sam || 05/10/2004 11:52 Comments || Top||

#6  A French policeman faces trial in a police court for driving under the influence after he was stopped at the wheel of his car drunk and wearing only a pair of fishnet tights, a prosecutor said Friday.

Well this guy certainly has to qualify for the Einstein award. If he's going to do that sort of thing, the least he could have done was to take steps not to draw attention to himself by not driving while he was liquored up.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/10/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#7  I had no idea this was illegal in Phrawnce.
Posted by: Mercutio || 05/10/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||

#8  I don't know about a policeman who engages in activities likely to give the police a bad name, but drivig under the influence of alcohol or drugs can lead you two years in jail.
Posted by: JFM || 05/10/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#9  For punishment, he shall be mercilessly taunted for 3 or 4 minutes. La Belle Francais is strict but fair.
Posted by: ed || 05/10/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#10  "Fishnets? Ze fool! Everyone knows zey are so passe!"
Posted by: Pappy || 05/10/2004 23:52 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Women as Prudent Drivers
Words fail me
I wonder if those responsible for organizing traffic awareness campaigns and programs aimed at educating motorists and pedestrians have realized the role of women in the chaos characteristic of our streets and the accidents which occur there all too often.

It is of course true that women do not drive in the Kingdom but the great majority of drivers here take their orders from women. And it is also true that once a woman is seated in her car, she begins issuing contradictory orders which she demands the driver carry out. Just think of the sheer number of foreign drivers in the streets of Riyadh — no exact numbers are available — from early morning until late at night and you can begin to see the magnitude of the problem.

I wonder if any studies have been conducted to determine the role of women in the chaos on our roads. This is important since, in many cases, foreign workers brought here to do other jobs end up behind the wheel as family drivers. Whoever is not happy with his sponsor as well as those who do not like the work for which they were recruited find no difficulty in finding employment as drivers. Families desperate for a driver will find themselves forced to accept them. A woman who discovers that her driver was originally recruited to work as a plumber, a salesman, a cleaner, a farmer or a shepherd is left with two difficult choices: Agree to hire the man and risk the possible unpleasant consequences or refuse and find herself in a more critical situation, especially if she is a working woman.

It is a drama in which women play the leading role. It starts each morning with fleets of chauffeur-driver cars clogging the streets, blocking the way in front of schools, offices, hospitals and other public places. It all depends on the woman’s general mood and it is how she behaves once she is in the car that determines whether things will be all right that day or whether all will end in disaster.

If the driver finds that the woman in the back seat is in a bad mood, he braces himself for trouble. Such behavior definitely impacts upon the poor man who, knowing he cannot answer back, usually resorts to the only thing he can do — stepping hard on the accelerator. In some cases, a driver may express his anger in words, threatening to quit if the humiliation continues. The result in both cases is, if not catastrophic, often unfortunate.

Our streets swarm with drivers, both wise and ignorant of basic safety rules. Many of these are controlled and directed by women. The people responsible for traffic awareness campaigns should turn their attention to this matter. They should move to educate women on how to drive safely while in the back seat.

Posted by: tipper || 05/10/2004 9:50:27 PM || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The last sentence made me laugh out loud.
Posted by: Phil B || 05/10/2004 21:57 Comments || Top||

#2  I got hot cocoa all over the screen. I would appreciate it if the poster would give adequate keyboard/screen alert at the beginning of the article! LOL!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 05/10/2004 22:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Scrappleface, right?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 05/10/2004 22:20 Comments || Top||

#4  . They should move to educate women on how to drive safely while in the back seat.

My mother learned that decades ago.
Posted by: Steve White || 05/10/2004 22:56 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Jean-Berty Seeks Refuge in S. Africa
Ousted Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide has officially asked South Africa for asylum until his personal situation "normalizes," the Foreign Affairs Ministry said Monday. The ministry said in a statement that the request was made through the Caribbean Economic Community, or CARICOM, and Mozambique President Joaquin Chissano, who is the chairman of the African union. Foreign Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma said that she will take the request to the newly appointed Cabinet, which will conduct its first meeting later this week. The South African government has always maintained that its approach to the Haitian question will be guided by the views and attitude of CARICOM and the African Union, she said in a statement. Aristide's spokesman in Jamaica, Huntley Medley, declined to comment on the report. The opposition Democratic Alliance party called the request "inappropriate." "No other 'visitor' to South Africa would receive such 'personal' attention. Aristide's dilemma is not simply 'personal.' It is first and foremost a political matter," party spokesman Douglas Gibson said.
Posted by: Fred || 05/10/2004 3:39:17 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Aristide's spokesman in Jamaica, Huntley Medley the third Righteous Brother, declined to comment on the report
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 15:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Huntley Medley the Collection
Songs to sink by.
Posted by: Shipman || 05/10/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Dang it never mind. #2 is what being brought up without fonics doesn't to ya. Hunley medley don't work tho.
Posted by: Shipman || 05/10/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||


An Arab- Southern American summit in December in Brazil
The foreign minister of Brazil, Selzo Amorim, announced on Saturday that the leaders of the Arab states will be meeting with their counterparts from Southern America in Brazil in December this year.
Road trip!
This will be in the context of an initiative to give the developing countries a higher voice in the international affairs.
"Gimme gimme gimme!"
Amorim said following talks in the headquarters of the Arab League in Cairo that the summit will include 34 leaders and is expected to concentrate on political relations and trade, investments and technical cooperation.
"Invest enough money and we'll coperate with practically anything."
The summit was proposed by the President of Brazil Lula Da Silva, who proposed his initiative on the Arab leaders during his Middle East tour by the end of 2003. Amorim said that it is almost confirmed this summit will be in the first phase of December, but "we are still in the phase of drawing a certain date. it is expected to be on the 8th and 9th of December."
"We'll get back to you."
However, some 10 million Brazilians (out of 175 million) are of Arab descent,
- Good population base to hide jihadis in -
including Lebanese whose number are greater than the population of Lebanon.
Bet there's a reason for that. I'll wager they're christian Lebanese.
This summit will be the first of its kind. Amorim said after that the summit will be held periodically. He said:" we feel so much in commons with the Arabs. Of course we have good relations with Israel. But we actually show our solidarity with the Arab states when we vote at the UN general Assembly and other organizations."
That last sentance sez it all.
Posted by: Steve || 05/10/2004 2:38:24 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Developing Country"
A Developing Country is a place where the wealthy 5% maintain control by whipping up the poor 95%, and through corruption. They don't invest in growth domestically, or develop abundant natural resources. They then convince the poor 95% that all the poverty is the result of the USA. Am I correct?
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:27 Comments || Top||

#2  "your poverty and humiliation is obviously the fault of the occupying Israelis" - the big trick is to be able to say this to haitians and brazilians without breaking a smile
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 15:37 Comments || Top||

#3  This will be in the context of an initiative to give the developing countries a higher voice in the international affairs.

They're gonna castrate 'em?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 05/10/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I’m moving to Brazil this fall to be with my fiancee. I’ve been there a few times and it’s actually a wonderful country (hence my nickname). There a lot of misconceptions about it and I’ll try to clear them up.

Yes, Brazil has more Lebanese than Lebanon and the vast majority of them are Catholic. Actually, the Lebanese and Jewish populations get along pretty well there and both comprise of the wealthiest class. Indeed, Brazil’s richest family is Jewish-Lebanese.

Islam never really caught on in Brazil and it’s not spreading like it is in the US and other Western countries (it is the fastest growing religion in the US, after all). Most of them are in the lawless tri-border region of the country, which is famous for the waterfall and, of course, being a Hezbollah base. Islam is simply incompatible with the Brazilian lifestyle. You think the Brazilian men there want to see their beautiful and bikini-clad women in burkas? I doubt it!

Also, I would not categorize Brazil as a 3rd world country. It’s a 1st world and a 3rd world country clashed together. You’d be surprised how many rich people are there and of their extravagant lifestyles which would put those of the richest here in the US to shame. Nonetheless, there are a lot of poor Brazilians too and the discrepancy between the rich and the poor has been noted as perhaps the worst in the world. It’s probably the main reason for the sky-high crime rates.

As far a Lula’s support for the Arabs, he’s talking out of his ass as he always does. He’s a communist. Thing is, his party is so unpopular now for broken promises, corruption scandals and breaking the party line. So who knows if this thing will actually go through? Brazil was supposed to have a summit with the US a few months ago, but it never happened. Lula says a lot of things, but never does anything. Why? He’s scared shitless that the rich Brazilians (and that includes the Jews) will take all of their money out of the country and totally ruin the economy. I’d like to see it before I believe it.
Posted by: Saideira || 05/10/2004 16:07 Comments || Top||

#5  Welcome to RB and thanks for the info Saideira, I didn't realize there were than many Lebaneese in Brazil.
Posted by: Shipman || 05/10/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#6  We tend to forget that in the early part of the 20th century the ABC countries -- Argentina, Brazil and Chile -- we on an economic par with the U.S.

Hard as we've sometimes tried, we've never managed to produce a Lula.
Posted by: Fred || 05/10/2004 16:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Thanks for the welcome! I am a long time lurker and really enjoy this site.

Just for the record, more than anything I want to bring my fiancee to NYC to be with me, but the new immigration laws make it a very time-consuming process to bring a foreign spouse into the country. She also wants to be close to her family, at least initially. I'm tired of having a long-distance relationship, so I see this as the best option for me.

Believe it or not, it's actually easier to live there for a few years and then bring her back when I apply from Brazil.

We tend to forget that in the early part of the 20th century the ABC countries -- Argentina, Brazil and Chile -- we on an economic par with the U.S. Hard as we've sometimes tried, we've never managed to produce a Lula.

Actually, Chile is a stable and propserous country right now. They have a pretty good standard of living. One that could equate with many Western European countries. Argentina was doing well too until recently. Brazil has always been an economic mess. Sad to see a country with such vast potential wasted like this.
Posted by: Saideira || 05/10/2004 16:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Now there's concern that Lula has a drinking problem--that would explain the bad decisions!
(Is anyone else aware of how many bloggers there are in Brazil, BTW?)
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#9  Hi, Jen. I read that article and yes, it's pretty silly. Like I said, this guy is an absolute embarrassment and most Brazilians despise him now. He can't even speak Portuguese properly.

Most Brazilian bloggers are teenage girls who probably wouldn’t know much about politics. But when I move there, I will start my own blog.

By the way, there is an American who blogs a lot on Brazilian – and Latin American, in general – issues. But he does it from a very leftist perspective. He actually supports Lula, so I am not sure you would get outlook you want from him.

http://beautifulhorizons.typepad.com/

Oh, I just remembered a Miami-based Venezuelan blogger who is pretty right-wing on a lot of issues. But he covers everything, not just Latin American politics.

http://val.dorta.com/
Posted by: Saideira || 05/10/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#10  Saideira, I have to agree. The fundies would go apolectic at carnival time
Posted by: cheaderhead || 05/10/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||

#11  Nelson Ascher is a Brazilian expat who's occasionally back in his home country...
Posted by: someone || 05/10/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#12  By the way, there is an American who blogs a lot on Brazilian – and Latin American, in general – issues. But he does it from a very leftist perspective.

I can't let a statement like that go unchallenged. I spend a lot of my time posting on how much of a useless demagogue Hugo Chávez is and hammering Fidel Castro's regime in Cuba.

As for Lula, I admire the fact that he has sought his goals through democratic means, but I have been critical of him in the past and will continue to be critical of him whne I feel the need to be. It's called nuance and I try to be neither reactionary nor obsessed with dogma.
Posted by: Randy Paul || 05/10/2004 22:13 Comments || Top||


Venezuela said to foil assassination plot
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez announced Sunday his forces foiled a plot to kill or overthrow him by capturing about 50 Colombian paramilitaries. Chavez claimed the men had been trained by Venezuela’s political opposition, the BBC reported. Opposition leaders say Chavez is only attempting to discredit them. The announcement adds to the rising political tension in Venezuela as the opposition hopes to unseat Chavez in an upcoming referendum. The government said its forces arrested 56 Colombians in a dawn raid at a farm on the outskirts of Caracas. Venezuelan security officials say the men were planning an attack on a military installation in Caracas. The officials said the farm the Colombians used as a base belongs to a Cuban exile with close links to Venezuela’s opposition. Chavez said the discovery is clear evidence his opponents are trying to assassinate him.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 05/10/2004 1:02:34 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Man, Chavez has more lives than a cat! This got to be the 60th attempt on his life and the SOB is still well and kicking!
How convenient that all the usual suspects will conspire to kill him just before the Signature Repair Process is about to take place.
Did he leave out anybody? Colombian rightist paramilitars backed by the US, anti-castro cubans in exile and the Venezuelan Opposition (oligarchy or anybody who can afford a house and a car). No, they are all there!
What an imbecil!
Posted by: Anonymous4617 || 05/10/2004 6:35 Comments || Top||

#2  He probably has a lot of doubles. We don't know if his detractors are shooting at the correct Chavez or an imitation.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#3  surprised he didn't say it was Bush..
Posted by: Dan || 05/10/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
China Admits AIDS Epidemic Requires Urgent Measures

May 09, 2004

The Chinese government admitted Sunday that AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome) in China continues to be rapidly spreading and a "series of urgent measures" must be taken to curb the problem. The State Council, Chinese cabinet announced the new measures in a circular released Sunday.
Just so long as they do not come to the international community for monetary or material assistance after creating the world’s largest medically caused AIDS epidemic. The bloodheads scandal is one of the most egregious cases of Chinese corruption and malfeasance in modern history.
China reported its first case of HIV 19 years ago and the fight against the disease is being ramped up. Currently, there are 840,000 HIV carriers in China, with 80,000 suffering full blown AIDS. Some health organizations dispute these numbers, suspecting the number of people in China with HIV is much higher. Some health experts warn by 2010, the number of HIV positive people in the country could reach 10 million.

China’s Vice Prime Minister Wu Yi, says China is at a "crucial stage", because the disease is threatening to jump from high risk groups into the general population. In the past, the Chinese government attempted to conceal information about HIV/AIDS in China.

New measures to curb the disease in China include enhanced management of blood collection services with a crackdown on illegal blood collection.
This is about all you’re going to hear of the bloodheads.
According to the 12 page circular released by the government, China also plans to hold major governmental leaders responsible for AIDS spreading. They promised to severely punish officials breaching their duty or hiding epidemic reports.
China has had 10 years to prosecute the bloodheads and those officials who accepted their graft. The turnaround on criminal cases is usually a lot shorter over there. Why no action?
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To make the situation more complicated and worse, only 9.1 percent of prostitutes were found to be using condoms frequently, and many HIV-positive prostitutes were also drug users, said the press release. The press release also disclosed, though giving no details, that some blood stations neither abided by standard procedures nor conducted HIV tests on blood while collecting blood plasma, causing a high rate of HIV infection among some blood sellers.
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Education will also be a key part of the new plan to curb AIDS with a wide range of measures to educate the public on prevention and risk.
Don’t hold your breath over this.
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When asked if condoms could protect people from AIDS infection, only 31.5 percent of city residents and 23.5 percent of town residents answered "yes." The research showed that people regard contraception as the most important function of condoms, while only 3 percent of the respondents use condoms to protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases. Although some people are aware that AIDS exists in China, they still pay little attention to the use of condoms as protection against HIV infection.
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Earlier this year, China’s State Family Planning Commission revealed that Chinese men buy approximately three condoms per year and 30 to 40 percent of these condoms are defective.

... Also, Durex condoms at the local Ito Yokado, a Japanese department store, sell for 30RMB for a package of 12 condoms. Conversely, a package of locally produced, rather untrustworthy Jizzbons sell for 5RMB a package of 10.

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The daily wage is often less than 20 RMB, making condoms incredibly expensive to the ordinary person.

So long as China continues to spend billions on building space rockets and missiles to point at Taiwan instead properly addressing this self-created plague, they should not qualify for one penny of foreign aid.

China continues to rape the globe’s economic markets with theft of intellectual property and product counterfeiting. The fake formula scandal that has killed hundreds of infants is a perfect example of how China’s economic progress is paid for in human blood, both their own and of those abroad.

The world’s headlong rush to capitalize upon China’s bottomless pool of cheap labor comes at an extremely high price to all. The international economy might benefit from boycotting these ruthless pirates until they make significant strides towards compliance with fair trade and patent laws.

[Permission granted to crack wise about "jizzbon" condoms.]
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 2:52:37 AM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The only question... Will they blame this on the US, or on the Joos?
Posted by: someone || 05/10/2004 3:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Peshawar!
Posted by: Phil B || 05/10/2004 5:57 Comments || Top||

#3  I'd disagree, Phil B - internal pressures: AIDS, SARS, are exactly the kind of thing that could seriously change the Chinese Hegemon via popular uprising
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#4  I tend to agree with Frank G. The whole issue of Chinese govt deception, admission of error, and political consequences, while on the surface an internal Chinese issue, is ultimately of importance to the global strategic balance, if not directly to the WOT. I guess I see things from an American point of view, where the domestic politics of any country OTHER than the US is "international affairs" While I see the limits of this point of view, id still say that Chinese domestic politics is on topic in way that Canadian or British domestic politics are not.

Which is not to say that I agree with all the comments above.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 05/10/2004 9:40 Comments || Top||

#5  actually Im thinking of softening on the whole Peshawar thing, anyway. Two reasons.

1. The way this site is now set up makes it easier to avoid the Peshawar posts and comments.
2. The overtly domestic politics posts act as a sort of flypaper, distracting the domestic politics trolls from the more serious threads.

From now on I intend to only "Peshawar" a comment when its overtly about domestic politics AND is in the wrong place.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 05/10/2004 9:45 Comments || Top||

#6  Zenster: Also, Durex condoms at the local Ito Yokado, a Japanese department store, sell for 30RMB for a package of 12 condoms.

These are close to US prices (4 bucks in China vs 6-7 bucks for Trojans in the NYC area) and 1.5 days' wages for the average Chinese worker in the booming coastal areas. (In the interior, that would be 3-4 days' wages - for a pack of condoms. Of course, in the interior, the high price of Japanese condoms would be a moot point, given that the Japanese department store that carries them wouldn't have a store out there, anyways).
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 05/10/2004 10:11 Comments || Top||

#7  I Peshawared this because its Zipster's rambling semicoherent opinions. It also displays his real agenda when he uses terms like 'fair trade'. I also found it racist. China is a developing country and you will find similar stories in any country at the same level of development. Disclaimer - I am a militant anti-communist and nothing would make me happier than the Chinese communist party being dumped, but AIDS aint going to cause it.
Posted by: Phil B || 05/10/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#8  I actually agree with this post, but you can forget about the Wall Street Journal ever valuing rights over profit; they practically slobber over it ...

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"So long as China continues to spend billions on building space rockets and missiles to point at Taiwan instead properly addressing this self-created plague, they should not qualify for one penny of foreign aid.

China continues to rape the globe’s economic markets with theft of intellectual property and product counterfeiting. The fake formula scandal that has killed hundreds of infants is a perfect example of how China’s economic progress is paid for in human blood, both their own and of those abroad."

Damn straight. I've long suspected "the northerners back home" were obsessed with their "lost face and territories" and lacked the sense to move on the way we southerners have, but ...[/regionalist cracks]
Posted by: Edward Yee || 05/10/2004 12:45 Comments || Top||


Europe
Racist taunts against American soccer player in Norway
An American soccer player in Norway was subjected to racial taunts and spit on by fans during a game. Robbie Russel, who is black and was born in Amherst, Mass., plays for the Norwegian club Sogndal. "I’ve experienced racism, but never anything like this," the 24-year-old player told the state radio network NRK. He said four or five Brann fans on Sunday grabbed his jersey through the fence about 27 minutes into the game. "A woman spit in my face," he said. "The entire time a group of supporters were yelling racist things at me." Russel was not injured and declined to file a police complaint, choosing to let soccer organizations deal with the matter.

There was an outpouring of support for Russel and condemnation of his attackers in the national news media Monday. The Bergen-based Brann club promised to identify the culprits using TV footage and threatened to permanently ban them from Brann events. Russel supported such a move, saying "nothing entitles them to do that sort of thing to you."

"We condemn all forms of racism in Norwegian soccer," said Karen Espelund, secretary-general of the Norwegian Soccer Federation. "Such behavior goes against everything we stand for." Russel joined Sogndal in May 2001, and the club beat Brann 3-1 for its first elite division victory of the season.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 05/10/2004 10:17:14 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Soccer fans behaving deplorably? I'm shocked!!
Posted by: John in Tokyo || 05/10/2004 22:26 Comments || Top||

#2  The rest of the fans defended him, at least. I'm Norwegian and Basque mix, hoping at least the Scandinavian part behaves
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 23:17 Comments || Top||


Turkish Govt Pushes Islamic Education Bill
Turkey’s Islamic-rooted government on Monday brushed aside strong criticism from the country’s staunchly secular military, deciding to send a draft bill over religious high schools to parliament for approval.

The move by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government is likely to further anger the military, which last week warned that proposals that would make it easier for graduates of religious high schools to study at universities violated the country’s secular principles.

"Turkey is a democratic state and the constitution clearly empowers the parliament to decide on this issue," Government spokesman Cemil Cicek told a news conference after a Cabinet meeting. "Today, the parliament will decide on this issue and everyone should respect its will, because it is the place representing the will of the nation."

The parliament is expected to debate the bill as early as Wednesday. However, pro-secular President Ahmet Necdet Sezer might veto the bill if it is passed by the parliament, news reports speculated on Monday.

Cicek, meanwhile, issued a thinly veiled warning to the military, which forced Turkey’s first Islamic government out of power in 1997 and staged three coups, the last in 1980.

"Everyone should refrain from attitudes that could cast a shadow over the democratic view of Turkey," Cicek said, noting the nation’s aspirations to join the European Union.

Secular critics claim the government is seeking to raise the profile of Islam in this predominantly Muslim but strictly secular country.

The government says the proposals, which were approved by a parliamentary committee last week, would ease hurdles for graduates of a number of vocational schools who want to enter university.

But the secular establishment, led by the military, is wary that the proposals are aimed at high schools that train Islamic preachers and chaplains and are designed to allow their graduates to study at universities and become lawyers, teachers, or governors and hold other key state posts.

Erdogan strongly denies that his party seeks any Islamic agenda.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 05/10/2004 10:10:32 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Actions like this are why Turkey will never be part of the EU. The only reason that Turkey is a cut above the third world fever swamp that is the Islamic world is because Kemal Attaturk had the vision to force a secular regime in which a meritocracy could flourish. This bill is but one more step down the slippery slope that will lead Turkish society into a dark age of 7th century islamofascism. Madrassa graduates don't know how to do anything except try and force other people to conform to their memorized strictures.

Too bad, Turkey could have been a contender.
Posted by: RWV || 05/10/2004 22:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Ahhhh Affirmative Action for Islamonuts...
Posted by: Mr Ed || 05/10/2004 23:03 Comments || Top||

#3  They'd better be careful, or they might find themselves in the midst of a constitutionally approved coup.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 05/10/2004 23:19 Comments || Top||

#4  The move by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government is likely to further anger the military,

oh pleeease...how long are we going to live in this past? This idea that the military is somehow going to step in and save Turkey from itself is so YESTERDAY. Just like the terrorists keep thinking of us as America pre-911, we need to get over thinking of Turkey as secular and of having a military that will save the day.
Posted by: B || 05/11/2004 1:06 Comments || Top||


Fed fines Switzerland’s UBS $100 million
The Federal Reserve fined Switzerland’s largest bank, UBS AG, $100 million Monday for allegedly sending dollars to Cuba, Libya, Iran and Yugoslavia in violation of U.S. sanctions against those countries. UBS operated a trading center for dollars in its Zurich headquarters under contract with the Federal Reserve of New York, to help the circulation of new U.S. notes and the retirement of old ones. A condition for the Swiss bank was not to deliver or accept dollar notes through the depot to or from banks in countries under U.S. trade sanctions. In an announcement, the Fed said that UBS had violated the agreement and that some former officers and employees of the bank, whom it did not name, intentionally concealed the transactions by falsifying UBS’ monthly reports to the U.S. central bank. The individuals were not part of the order issued Monday by the Fed, in which UBS agreed to pay a $100 million civil fine without admitting to the allegations.

The bank said Monday that some employees have been dismissed and disciplinary measures were taken against others employees. The Swiss Federal Banking Commission has reprimanded UBS and will inspect its operations to ensure that corrective actions are effective, the bank said. "UBS recognizes that very serious mistakes were made, accepts the sanctions and expresses its regret," the bank said in a statement. "It has already instituted corrective and disciplinary measures and has decided to exit the international banknote trading business." The New York Fed terminated its contract with UBS last October.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 05/10/2004 3:38:09 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Remember, the Swiss never "take sides"

i.e. they are not moral, or immoral, they are amoral.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#2  I lived with the Swiss for 5 years. I remember a few nights after 911 and some of the "sympathy" they had for us. There were quite a bit of celebration from our "friends" in western Europe.
I heard this more than once "It is a tragedy, but you kind of deserve it....." They are cowards!
Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 05/10/2004 16:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't you love the way they not only profited from the Jews who were killed in the Holocaust by getting their art, jewelry and cash (they pretended to German Jews that their money would be safe there and that they would "probably" take in refugees from Germany, which they certainly did not!), but got the rest of Europe to lie about how they bankrolled Hitler and kept the war going for as long as it did, all the while pretending that they were "neutral."
Even today, they're harboring God knows how many terrorists and making interest on their money.
They are thieves and accessories to mass murder with megabuckets of blood on their hands.
A thing like this huge fine is TERRIFIC and will get them where it hurts--in their Jew-hating wallets!
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 16:41 Comments || Top||

#4  It's not the first time they've overtly assisted murderous thugs. Even this offense pales by comparison to their concealment and subterfuge regarding looted Jewish Holocaust holdings. The Swiss banking system has little to brag about.

Nazi Gold and Loot

During the war, the Nazis stole gold, jewelry, and other valuables from the millions of Jews they murdered. The Germans needed a way to place these commodities in the international market so that they could use the money they received in exchange for their war effort. The Swiss helped facilitate the exchange in addition to holding Nazi accounts. Many speculate that some of the gold that the Swiss accepted were the dental gold and wedding rings taken from Jews at the camps.

Bank Accounts

Many Jews never physically attempted to reach Switzerland, but attempted to protect their money by opening Swiss bank accounts. Many Jews who opened these accounts perished in the Holcocaust.

There are many survivors who remember that their parents opened accounts, but they don't know the account numbers nor have any paperwork concerning the accounts, so they were turned away from the banks after the war. Some banks requested death certificates of the account holder before they would allow the survivors to access the money. This was a completely unreasonable request since millions were murdered in the Holocaust with no official record of their deaths.

For several decades after the war, individual survivors petitioned and requested information about these accounts with little to no success. In 1974, the Swiss announced that they found 4.68 million Swiss francs in dormant accounts. This money was divided between two Swiss relief agencies and to the Polish and Hungarian governments.

In 1996, U.S. Senator Alfonse D'Amato (R-NY) brought the subject of the dormant accounts to the U.S. government's attention, and hearings were started to unearth the truth about the survivors' claims. Pressure from the United States has angered the Swiss, who feel that this is an attack upon their reputation for the benefit of U.S. banking agencies.

The questions concerning the morality of the Swiss during the war came into the public limelight when a security guard at a Swiss bank noticed on January 14, 1997 a pile of documents pertaining to Nazi and wartime accounts waiting to be shredded. The Swiss claim that these were of no interest to the hearings.

On January 29, 1997, the city of New York considered boycotting Swiss banks. Eight days later, three Swiss banks announced that they would create a humanitarian fund of 100 million Swiss francs (U.S. $70 million).

Since most of the Jews who opened these accounts were killed, there are no accurate figures about how much money Jews really placed within the Swiss banks. Jewish organizations believe there could be billions, while the Swiss have only uncovered several million.


[For a country whose fame is reliant upon their meticulous record-keeping, it is extremely conspicuous how these particular accounts fell through the cracks.]

Most recently, in June, the Swiss government announced that it would establish a $5 billion humanitarian foundation.

But what about the survivors of the Holocaust whose families' entire fortunes were stored in Swiss accounts? As of July 23, 1997, the Swiss have produced a list of dormant accounts that will be accessible to the public. Any person with a valid claim on these accounts will go through an accounting firm and then an international panel will decide whether or not there is reasonable evidence to award the claims.

- EMPHASIS ADDED -
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 16:41 Comments || Top||

#5  Worse still, Zman, when Holocaust victims' family have gone to Switzerland to make a claim on their dead relatives' money, the Swiss have demanded they produce a death certificate, knowing full well the Nazis didn't make out any death certificates.
Switzerland was the first and foremost money laundry in the world during WWII and owe a good portion, if not most, of their country's wealth to Hitler's efforts to make Europe Judenrein.
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||


Turkey to build Bosporus tunnel
Sunday, May 9, 2004 Posted: 11:53 PM EDT (0353 GMT)

ISTANBUL, Turkey (AP) -- Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan launched the construction of a tunnel and rail system under the Bosporus straight to connect Europe and Asia in this heavily congested metropolis. At a groundbreaking ceremony on Sunday, Erdogan stood in a line with other officials and shoveled dirt, giving the go-ahead for the 13.7 kilometer, (8.5 mile) tunnel. Some 1,400 meters of the tunnel will be underwater.

The Bosporus Strait, a 32-kilometer waterway connecting the Black Sea and the Sea of Marmara, separates European Turkey from Asian Turkey. It bisects Istanbul as it flows by historic Ottoman castles, mosques and parkland. The tunnel would become the third link between the city’s European and Asian sides. A first bridge -- at 1,074 meters, one of the world’s longest suspension bridges -- linked the two continents in 1973. The second, 60 meters shorter, opened five kilometers north of the first in 1988.

"This project is important not only for Turkey, it is at the same time the project of the century," Erdogan said. The tunnel, which officials insist would be earthquake-proof, will run under the sea at a depth of around 55 meters. The tunnel would be linked to an expanding subway system. The entire project, which also involves refurbishing Istanbul’s existing rail system, will cost $2.5 billion. The tunnel is being built with loans from the Japan Bank of International Cooperation. A Japanese-Turkish consortium, Taisei-Kumagaigumi-Gama-Nurol, won the contract for the project that is expected to be completed by 2008.

Erdogan, a former mayor of Istanbul, had long advocated the construction of an undersea Bosporus tunnel, opposing plans for a third bridge over the Bosporus, which critics have said could destroy precious green space and promote car traffic to the detriment of public transportation. But just last week, Transport Minister Binali Yildirim did not rule out the possible construction of a third bridge. "Istanbul is in need of a bridge and in time, will need another tunnel. They are not alternatives to each other," Yildirim said.
"Earthquake-proof," maybe, but does anyone else think this is going to be a prime terror target, or what? I can only suppose they’re hoping the war on terror will be over by the time they finally finish the project in 2008. Otherwise, they’re gonna need hella security.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 3:36:19 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nothing built by man is "earthquake-proof", folks. Sorry. That's one of the more active faults, too.

Good luck with the underwriters...
Posted by: mojo || 05/10/2004 15:53 Comments || Top||

#2  mojo's right on the money....it's merely a factor of what level (magnitude) of quake you're willing to fund a design/construction for....

anything above an 8, or on a major fault, is a crapshoot
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 15:58 Comments || Top||

#3  If a Channel Tunnel is a Chunnel, is a Black Sea Tunnel a Blunnel?
Posted by: RWV || 05/10/2004 16:10 Comments || Top||

#4  If tin whistles are made of tin, what're fog horns made of?
Posted by: Fred || 05/10/2004 20:41 Comments || Top||

#5  if olive oil is made from olives, what is baby oil....
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 21:00 Comments || Top||


Thousands of Flemish in anti-French protest
Thousands of Flemish people took to the streets on Sunday to demand that French speaking political parties be banned from presenting candidates in a large Brussels electoral district. The protest took place in the Brussels-Hal-Vilvoorde (BHV) electoral district. BNV is a 'mixed' area, which means both French and Dutch speaking parties can campaign there during next month's regional and European elections. But the protestors want it to be re-designated part of Flanders so that only Flemish parties can stand.
Defend the Flemish Homeland!
A group of mayors from 28 Flemish towns have already threatened to boycott next month's polls if French speaking parties are allowed to canvass in BHV. While there are more Flemish than French speaking Belgians living in BHV, the Flemish are nonetheless in a minority in the district. This is because BHV has a large population of voters from European Union countries.
Gotta watch them EU types, sneaking in and trying to take over.
Flemish inhabitants account for 48 percent of local residents, French speakers 32 percent and the EU expats, who have the right to vote in the June poll and tend to back French speaking parties, make up 20 percent.
What's next, the Flemish Liberation Army?
Posted by: Steve || 05/10/2004 10:58:23 AM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Flemish-French divide is roughly equivalent to our Red - Blue state divide, with the Flemish being more conservative and entrepreneurial than the French-speaking folks.
Posted by: virginian || 05/10/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#2  . . .Flemish being more conservative and entrepreneurial than the French-speaking folks

Does that surprise anyone?
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 11:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Come on, as much as I don't like the French, what can you say about one set of parties trying to kick the other set out of elections? These Flemish protestors sound like a bunch of fascist toads. You could argue against letting Eurocrats vote locally in Brussels, I guess, but to argue for banning Francophone *parties*? I don't bloody well think so!

Kind of makes me wonder how many bureaucrats, White House workers, and congressional aides are registered in the District, though. I can't imagine it's anything like thirty percent. Just how many Eurocrats are there, anyways?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 05/10/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Uhm, Mitch? Vlaams Blok?
Posted by: Adriane || 05/10/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#5  The Flemish demands are rational and simple: we want the boundaries for the electoral "district" to coincide with the boundary of Flanders.

If you could imagine for a moment Texan electoral districts extending into southern Oklahama, you get a better feel for the current situation here in Belgium.
Posted by: Dog of Flanders || 05/13/2004 7:30 Comments || Top||


Polish Cops Accidentally Use Live Bullets
Police mistakenly opened fire with live ammunition to stop a street fight in a central Polish city, killing a 19-year-old man and wounding three others, officials said Sunday. A 23-year-old woman was in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the head and two others were seriously wounded in the violence late Saturday in Lodz. The shootings prompted Lodz police chief Jan Feja and his deputy, Sylwester Stepien, to resign. Lodz Mayor Jerzy Kropiwnicki called for three days of mourning. The fighting began when a group of soccer fans, apparently angered when their team lost a match, attacked some students. The attackers threw stones and bottles at police as they arrived. Police responded by firing rubber bullets to disperse the fighters. But some officers accidently reloaded with live ammunition and fired six rounds before realizing their mistake, deputy national police chief Henryk Tokarski told Poland's PAP news agency. Four people were hit.
Now there's a language soccer hooligans will understand.
Krzysztof Piatkowski, an emergency official in the city, said as many as 70 people were injured and 19 people detained in Saturday's disturbances. Polish media reported that the soccer fans were returning from a match in which local team Widzew Lodz lost 2-1 to rival Gornik Zabrze when they started attacking the students.
Oh, please! Stop! My heartstrings...
Posted by: Steve White || 05/10/2004 12:52:27 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Who wants to bet the post-game frenzies assume a much calmer tone for a while?
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 1:31 Comments || Top||

#2  What actually happened was the soccer thugs made their way to a university campus, which isn't even close to the stadium, and started attacking students. University security couldn't handle them, and the police stepped in. The police somehow bungled this, because soccer thugs are under constant watch.

I've seen these thugs in action. They take over city buses and consider themselves invincible. Most of them are young teens, believe or not, easily pushed over on a single basis but in a group they are fearless.
Posted by: Rafael || 05/10/2004 1:49 Comments || Top||

#3  I've seen these thugs (Hooligans not the polish police) in action many times and strongly advocate the use of snipers to "thin the herd" a little. These people are complete and utta bastards, look at what happened when Arkan put kalashnikovs in the hands of "Belgrade red Star" supporters........
Posted by: Eminem. || 05/10/2004 4:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Hmmmm "accidently" works for me.... Think the thugs will be sure there's rubber bullets next time? Play it like the Lotto - you never know when it's your turn!
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 9:46 Comments || Top||

#5  Not unlike the San Diego police. One of the reasons San Diego is such a livable city is the low survival rate of thugs, hooligans, and assorted miscreants who challenge the local authorities. They only shoot the guns out of their hands in the movies.
Posted by: RWV || 05/10/2004 10:13 Comments || Top||

#6  I like this Polish variant of Russian Roulette. Even if they assumed they were using rubber bullets, the police wouldn't fire randomly into the crowd but target the worst rabble rousers. So whether you got plugged by a rubber bullet or a full metal jacket you were likely doing something you shouldn't have.
Posted by: Dar || 05/10/2004 10:49 Comments || Top||

#7 


Manchester United Stadium


"We'd better mind our manners, mates, I heard they hired off-duty Polish policemen for security today."

Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 11:38 Comments || Top||

#8  Think the thugs will be sure there's rubber bullets next time? Play it like the Lotto - you never know when it's your turn!

[DH]

"But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya--punk?"
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#9  Six shots fired, 4 people hit.....hmmm, may be time to forget all those Polish jokes.....
Posted by: Mercutio || 05/10/2004 14:40 Comments || Top||

#10  Q. What's black and blue and floats down the river on its back?

A. The next person to tell a Polish joke.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 05/10/2004 16:32 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Canada MPs argue over sex symbol
Canada’s parliament, scene of many worthy debates, was plunged into uproar after the alleged mispronunciation of a sexy Italian film actress’ name. Tempers flared when an MP accused an ex-minister of "rubbing shoulders with Gina Lollobreegeeda", reports said. The apparent mispronunciation prompted Human Resources Minister Joe Volpe to yell: "It’s Gina Lollobrigida, idiot!" Opposition MP Jason Kenney hit back, saying he was sorry for "offending the ageing sex-kitten community". Mr Volpe later told reporters he too had some regrets over the row. "I’m sorry I called him an idiot. I should have referred to him as an imbecile," he said.
They used to settle these things with pistols at dawn. Since Canada has mostly banned pistols, they have to bitch slap each other instead.
Gina Lollobrigida achieved fame for her portrayal of alluring, buxom heroines in the Italian cinema of the 1950s and 1960s. Now 76 years old, she is known in Italy by her nickname, "La Lollo".
Gina has not aged as well as Sophia, pity.
Canada’s governing party argued that Mr Kenney’s bad pronunciation constituted an insult to the honour of the country’s sizeable Italian community. Mr Kenney had accused former public works minister Alfonso Gagliano of misusing public funds when he travelled to Italy to launch a commemorative coin with Ms Lollobrigida.
These people really have too much time on their hands...
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 05/10/2004 1:08:59 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You know, I almost wish our guys in Congress were this amusing . . . except that the basis of their argument seems to have been political correctness. Drat; it seemed so promising, too . . .
Posted by: The Doctor || 05/10/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Bush Losing It; CNN Frothing at the Mouth
President Bush holds a single-point lead over Democratic challenger John Kerry in the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of likely voters, but voters’ approval of Bush’s performance and support for the war in Iraq dropped to new lows in the survey.... The survey, conducted Friday through Sunday, found that among all adults -- not just likely voters -- only 46 percent approved of Bush’s performance in office -- the lowest rating of his presidency in this poll. After April’s heavy casualties in Iraq and the emerging scandal of the treatment of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops, only 44 percent said they believed the war was worthwhile -- another low. Fifty-four percent said last year’s invasion of Iraq was a mistake, and only 41 percent of adults said they believed Bush was doing a good job handling the war....
But here come the key points:
Bush’s handling of terrorism issues remained his strongest point among American adults. Fifty-four percent of those surveyed said they approved of his performance. Those poll also said he would do a better job than Kerry by 17 percentage points -- 55-38. Only 41 percent of voters said they thought Bush was doing a good job handling the economy, with 56 percent disapproving; and 58 percent said they disapproved of how he was handling the war in Iraq....
So the lesson here is: I don’t like the way Bush is going about doing things in Iraq either, but on the overall WoT he’s doing fine. And Kerry...he’s in outer space.
Posted by: Rafael || 05/10/2004 9:22:42 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This, after the media has been hyping the 'abuses in Iraqi prisoners' practically non-stop for over a week -- and before that the 9/11 circle-jerk comission.

Not bad.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 05/10/2004 21:31 Comments || Top||

#2  I know, instead of a war run by politicians -- like Vietnam, let’s run the war in Iraq by polls. What a cool idea, why hasn’t any nation ever thought of waging war like that before?
Posted by: cingold || 05/10/2004 21:42 Comments || Top||

#3  CNN - All Abu Ghraib, all the time.
Posted by: Matt || 05/10/2004 21:46 Comments || Top||

#4  I tend not to give these polls much weight for several reasons.

1. many of us have caller ID. I don't answer the phone unless I know the caller

2. Many of us also have cell phones. And pollsters cannot call cell numbers.

So I'm very leery of who they are actually polling. And it tends to get my blood pressure up when Kerry is doing too good.

Zogby is now saying that Kerry will win the election. I think I'll wait till November to see.
Posted by: AF Lady || 05/10/2004 21:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Given the odds the Dems will take a Bush victory to court, we'll probably have to wait until next February to find out who won.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 05/10/2004 22:27 Comments || Top||

#6  I feel that these polls are not frequent enough to really keep me in the loop. Can we get one every fixe minutes or so?
Posted by: Super Hose || 05/10/2004 22:34 Comments || Top||

#7  In other news:

(Insert Polling Company name here) reports that if the election were held at 1200 PST in (insert any 14 square block area of any large city on the left coast), (popular leftist candidate) would win in a landslide. However, disturrbing results show that were the election held at 1700 PST in (especially leftleaning district in any large city on the left coast) (even more leftist candidate) would win.

(Insert Polling Company name here) could not comment on the polling results, except to explain there was a margin of error of plus or minus 20 percent.
Posted by: badanov || 05/10/2004 23:05 Comments || Top||

#8  I love for the fact that over the last 3 months the President has taken whatever the left has thrown at him and GWB is still right there and the best part is GWB has not even gone on an all out attack against these elitist idiots.
I believe at some point most Americans will get sick of the media beating the hell out of our President and they will do what will be the right thing to do, and that is vote GWB back for another 4 years.

Then I hope he has been keeping score, and the gloves hit the floor and GWB bloodies lot's of noses in the next 5 years!!
Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 05/10/2004 23:10 Comments || Top||


John Kerry's car trouble
Dig that horse up...
The Republicans have done it again when it comes to Sen. John Kerry's flip-flopping statements on owning an SUV. In the latest installment, the GOP has found video of Kerry telling environmentally conscious New Hampshire voters that he sold his gas guzzlers to buy fuel-efficient autos and just one month later, in Michigan car country, giving a long list of big-engine vehicles he owns–including two SUVs, one imported.
...and beat him again.
Ed Gillespie, the Republican Party chairman, is to unveil them tonight during a speech in Sheldon, Iowa. His point: Kerry says whatever he thinks voters want to hear. It's the latest twist in the SUV saga. First Kerry denied having one; then he said it was his wife's. Now he's saying he sold his gas hogs only to brag a month later about owning a "big Suburban." In the new video, he's asked at a New Hampshire rally what he's done to reduce the dependency on oil. Says Kerry, "I sold my gas guzzler and got a van and downgraded, that's what I did personally, in my own life. Also got an economical car in Washington and so forth so that I was trying to live up to that standard." But in the second video, shot a month later in Michigan, he lists his autos: "I own a Dodge 600 that I've had for about 20 years; I own a Chrysler 300M; we have a Chrysler van, a minivan; a Chrysler PT Cruiser (I guess Chrysler is making out here); a Suburban Chevy–big Suburban–and she has a Land Rover Defender."
Ain't video a bitch?
Posted by: Steve || 05/10/2004 4:28:11 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You mean Kerry was unable to work in a reference to his service in Vietnam? He's slipping...
Posted by: Raj || 05/10/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#2  For a dead horse, it certainly has some pretty good legs...

Posted by: Carl in N.H || 05/10/2004 16:52 Comments || Top||

#3  It will be an interesting convention. W wonder if Kerry will even speak.
Posted by: eLarson || 05/10/2004 16:54 Comments || Top||


Paranoia, Self Destroyer
Maybe Madame Hillary needs her own website...
Morris: Hillary Paranoid about Secret Service
New York Sen. Hillary Clinton distrusts the Secret Service so much that she once accused her bodyguards of "hating" her and her husband, longtime Clinton advisor Dick Morris reveals in his new book "Rewriting History." "They hate us," she railed according to Morris, after the Secret Service warned that a 1996 trip to Pittsburgh would require shutting down the railroad there for security reasons.
Well, why would they hate such fine, upstanding members of sociery?
The way I got it, the Secret Service guys were kind of indulgent of Bill, who is a gregarious fellow who jes' natcherly likes people, and really did dislike Hillary, who regarded them as the help. The equation was reversed with Mr. & Mrs. Gore. Apparently Tipper is a pretty nice lady.
"[They] will shut down the entire Eastern Seaboard just to embarrass us if we give them the excuse," the then first lady complained.
As opposed to, say, shutting down LAX for an hour for a haircut?
"They’re mainly Republicans," she raged.
Well, that explains it, then...
"They always take the most extreme option just to cause us embarrassment. We enter a city and they close down all the traffic. We can’t go to Pittsburgh."
Or Los Angeles.
In her own book, "Living History," Hillary remembers her relationship with the Secret Service somewhat differently.
Of course she does!
As Morris notes, Mrs. Clinton praises "the tone of cooperation and flexibility that came to characterize our relationships with the help agents sworn to protect us."
I couldn’t find a good link to it but Madame Hillary held up a commercial flight sometime earlier this year so she could sign copies of the above-mentioned rewriting of Living History.
Posted by: Raj || 05/10/2004 2:21:57 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, Your Imperious Highness, how many broken vases thrown at Bubba does take to cause an arrest, anyway?
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 14:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Must be a 'Vast Right Wing Conspircy' thing.

They are also known for cutting you off when you ski....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 05/10/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||


Teresa Heinz-Kerry: Itemize that $500 Million Tax Return
Always interested in stimulating private investment, John Kerry proposed early in his Senate career that stock dividends be exempt from income taxes. In 1998, he voted to reduce the holding period necessary for claiming a lower tax rate on capital gains.
"Friend of the common man..."
Imagine if Mr. Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee, became president and supported such measures. He would immediately be accused by his political opponents of padding his own pockets - or at least those of his bankroll wife, one of the richest people in America, worth more than $500 million. How much, they would ask, would his wife save? Five million dollars a year? 10 million dollars? No one would know for sure if Teresa Heinz Kerry continues to refuse to release her income tax returns.
Put the returns out or suffer the death from a thousand cuts...She already filed for the extension so she doesn’t have to show her returns til August...
"There will be innuendo around much of what he does,’’ said Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, a Washington research institute. "There will be a good deal of misunderstanding. His motives will be impugned, and unnecessary controversies will hinder faux-presidential decision-making."
Either that, or the correct interpretation will be put on it...
In the last 30 years, all other major party candidates for president and vice president and their spouses have made their personal tax filings public. Except for Geraldine A. Ferraro, the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 1984, all filed joint returns with their spouses. Ms. Ferraro resisted at first but eventually released the separate return filed by her husband, John A. Zaccaro. None were even remotely as well off as the Kerrys, said Kevin Phillips, who has written books about wealth and politics. Ms. Heinz Kerry’s inherited wealth would make her and her husband by far the richest people ever to live in the White House. President Bush, for instance, is worth about $20 million, according to Forbes magazine. John F. Kennedy’s parents were alive when he was killed, so he never came into his inheritance. Franklin D. Roosevelt left an estate that would be worth about $10 million in today’s dollars. Mr. Kerry has released his tax returns. But Ms. Heinz Kerry, 65, told reporters last month and repeated on the ABC program "20/20" Friday night that her finances were so linked with those of her adult children that she could not release her separate tax forms without invading her children’s privacy.
hiding behind the kids...pathetic liar
She inherited her wealth when her previous husband, Senator John Heinz, the heir to the Heinz food fortune, was killed in a plane crash in 1991. Financial information filed with the Senate shows that she shares about 10 trust funds with her three sons from that marriage. "What I have and what I receive is not just mine, it is also my children’s, and I don’t have the right to make public what is theirs,’’ she told reporters. "If I could separate it, I would have no problem."
rrrrriiigghhht
But a half-dozen prominent tax and estate lawyers interviewed last week said Ms. Heinz-Kerry’s returns would almost certainly reveal nothing about the children except a hint at how wealthy they are. Her returns, for example, would show nothing about her prior marriage or where the children live or how they spend their money or the nature of their families - matters most people would say were outside the bounds of political disclosures. More likely, some of these lawyers guessed, Ms. Heinz Kerry does not want to reveal the immensity of her income - possibly $30 million or more each year. Or, they suggested, she may pay relatively little in taxes because she has taken advantage of the many ways available to very wealthy people to plan their estates and minimize their taxes legally.
also, it would reveal her contribution to far-left anti-american groups a la Soros and the Tides Foundation
Last year, the dingbat author Arianna Huffington, running for governor of California during the Gray Davis recall, released her tax returns. They showed that because of legal write-offs, she paid no state income taxes and only $771 in federal income taxes in the previous two years. Ms. Huffington is divorced from the multimillionaire Michael Huffington and lives in a mansion valued at $7 million.

One of Ms. Heinz Kerry’s friends speculated that she was afraid the tax returns would raise more questions than they answered, leading to demands that she reveal still other documents, like the terms of the trust agreements, that could violate her children’s privacy. Many people outside politics say that Ms. Heinz Kerry’s finances are separate from her husband’s and no business of the public. "The spouse is not the candidate and is free to do with his or her money whatever he or she chooses," said Ellen K. Harrison, a tax lawyer here.
"many people" huh? Like Democrats?
But in political circles, the consensus is that the details of her wealth cannot be kept under wraps, especially since Mr. Kerry has used her money for his political benefit. "The rule of thumb is, the more authority a person asks for in a democracy, the less privacy they’re entitled to," said Stephen Hess, an expert on politics and the presidency at the Brookings Institution. Last year, for example, Mr. Kerry borrowed $6.4 million against his share of the house on Beacon Hill in Boston that was bought with her money but owned jointly by the couple. The money enabled Mr. Kerry to decline public financing in the Democratic primaries, giving him a leg up on his opponents who accepted public money and were bound to spending limits.
JFK’s a kept man...
Under the law, Ms. Heinz Kerry can only donate $4,000 directly to her husband’s campaign. But she is free to spend whatever she wants independently to help her husband’s cause, and she has left open the possibility she might dip into her personal fortune. One politician who does not release his own tax returns and does not think Ms. Heinz Kerry should is Ralph Nader, who revealed in the 2000 campaign that he had a net worth of about $4 million.
How did "Friend of the poor and downtrodden" Ralphie get so rich? Shakedowns like Jesse does?
"Anything she does for his campaign, she should disclose voluntarily," Mr. Nader said. "If she has tax shelters, she should disclose them. But there’s lots of information in tax returns that’s nobody’s business."
Posted it all since NYT requires reg...
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 12:07:44 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's not my money, it's the family's money.
Posted by: AzCat || 05/10/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#2 


She probably has the "big money" Stashed in a buch of cans hidden in the basements of her palacial mansions.

Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Frank G - She can also file a 2688 for an additional two month extension, giving Bush a potential October Surprise. If she makes it public, it's better for her to do so now than to wait.
Posted by: Raj || 05/10/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#4  the stonewall won't last...forgot about the other extension, thx Raj. The longer she holds out, the more incentive to see the returns ....she should've filed in early Feb, and made them public...methinks there's gold in them thar hills
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||

#5  You can always tell when you've lost all rational thought. Let's see. The writer questions how Ralph Nader made his money. Here is a much better question - let's see the paper trail as to how George Bush became worth $20 million. It should make Hillary look like a piker when it comes to lucky investing.
Posted by: JimR || 05/13/2004 22:32 Comments || Top||


Nancy Pelosi’s Dilemma
Having loudly raised her own criticism of the Iraq invasion before it began and ever since, the California liberal leader finds herself stymied by the Democrats’ minority status, which prevents the calling of congressional investigations into Mr. Bush’s rationales for the invasion and the chaos in its wake. ...The Republican majority in Congress, she laments, has made Democratic efforts to force any real congressional review of the war and its aftermath impossible. Ms. Pelosi cites a recent House Republican insistence that National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, in briefing Republican and Democratic House members, do so separately. That, she says, was an indication of the partisanship that dominates discussion of the war in the House.
Sounds like an efficient way to have at least one briefing where information can be dispensed without grandstanding. Also reduces leaks.
Ms. Pelosi’s own words fairly drip with dismay that public opinion polls, while indicating increasing voter concern that the country is heading in the wrong direction in Iraq and in foreign policy generally, also show that Mr. Bush’s personal appeal remains strong.
Posted by: RWV || 05/10/2004 9:17:20 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  She should ask herself, "Why do they hate us donkeys."
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 05/10/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Cicadas awaken from their 17 year cycle, and bug-eyed hysterical loon Pelosi is elected minority leader

Coincidence? I think not
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#3  What I don't like the most about these liberals is they think just because they were elected by the people in their respective states they have a mandate to export their extreme liberal views on the rest of wheather we want it or not. All congresspersons are elected to represent their respective states interests, not to try to change the rest of the U.S. to be more like them. I would love the opportunity to tell all of them to mund their own states business and stay out of mine. I don't get to vote for them so why should they have such a large role in deciding what happens to me? This includes Ted Kennedy et al.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 05/10/2004 11:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Deacon, excellent observation!
Why indeed?
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Deacon, you wrong on a subtle point (which would make your arguement stronger). Congresspersons are not elected to represent their respective states intrests. They are elected to represent their district. The Senators represent the states interests.
Posted by: ruprecht || 05/10/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||

#6  By congresspersons I meant anyone who is elected to congress. This includes both Senators and Representatives.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 05/10/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#7  ruprecht, The senators used to represent the states. Since the XVII amendment they represent the people. The states no longer have a voice in the federal government.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 05/10/2004 13:29 Comments || Top||

#8  Wish we could do something about that, Mr. D!

(and to add to Deacon's thought, why should America have to listen to these headaches from the so-called Minority party?)
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 13:30 Comments || Top||

#9  and why the hell would anyone want to listen to pelosi...just hope she is booted but we are a little off here in california..
Posted by: Dan || 05/10/2004 13:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Mr. Davis, that's a relatively loose interpretation of the 17th amaendment.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.


The states are the people. Changing the selection of senators to direct election by the people of a state instead appointment by the elected state governor or the elelcted state legislature in no way diminishes the role of states in government. You have only to look at Robert Byrd to see that senators represent the interests of their states rather than those of the people of the nation.
Posted by: RWV || 05/10/2004 15:08 Comments || Top||

#11  Preach it, RWV.
Having the Senators appointed by the state legislature is infinitely more akin to representative government than these state-wide popularity contests we have now.
I would support a repeal of the XVII Amendment and a return to the way our Founding Fathers originally had it.
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 15:12 Comments || Top||

#12  Told ya! Told ya!
Ack!

Legislature knows better! Legislature knows better!
Ack!

Polit Bureau! Polit Bureau!
Ack!

Central Committee! Central Committee!
Ack!
Posted by: Churchills Parrott || 05/10/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#13  'Scuse me, CP, but you're supposed to say "F*ck the Nazis!" and that's it.
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||

#14  The only way the state legislatures should be given back ANYTHING like that is if reapportionment is taken away from them for their own districts. The Jerrymandering is so bad out here that if California were an independent coiuntry, Freedom House would only call us "Partly Free"
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 16:23 Comments || Top||

#15  I agree would also like to see the XVII Amendment repealed. In one move it would help to restore some of the balance between the Feds and the States as few Senators would survive long by pushing for bills and policy that take power from the states.

I'm still a bit bewildered how it was passed in the first place.
Posted by: ruprecht || 05/10/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#16  Jen & Ruprecht,

It's because people like George Hearst (William Randolph's dad) literally BOUGHT their Senate seats via bribing the state legislators. Imagine Bill Gates buying a Washington Senate seat and you'll have a good idea why the Progressives had a bug up their bum about it.

Ironically, now the only ones who can afford to run are, you guessed it, the super-rich.
Posted by: Ernest Brown || 05/10/2004 19:14 Comments || Top||

#17  Ruprecht: The XVII Amendment was passed on the basis that the state legislatures were corrupt and therefore the Senators elected from them were corrupt also. Ernest Brown points out a agood example.

It was another important step in the atomization of American society and removal of power from the people and states.

It is fashionable to talk about how the American people are apathetic about local politics. Local politics can be boring, but they become positively narcotic when states and towns can no longer make even the most routine decisions about roads, sewers, and schools due to overweening Federal regulations. Why get involved when your involvement has no effect on anything anyway.

I'm not saying that the Federal government doesn't act as a check on state power in a positive fashion at times. Nor do I mean to imply that all Federal legislation is bad. I just think that the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of Federal Power over States Rights. We need to start moving it in the opposite direction.
Posted by: 11A5S || 05/10/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Senator A. Filibuster Bagogas (Kennedy) Puts Soldiers At Risk
From Hugh Hewitt:
Senator Ted Kennedy, on the floor of the United States Senate today:
"Protection of the Iraqi people from the cruelty of Saddam had become one the adminsitration’s last remaining rationalizations for going to war....So it is human rights that the adminsitration turned to in order to justify its decision to go to war. On December 24, 2003, the day Saddam was captured President Bush said that ’for the vast of Iraqi coitizens who wish to live as free men and women this event brings further asssurance that the torture chambers and secret police are gone forever.’ On March 19, 2004 President Bush asked ’Who would prefer that Saddam’s torture chambers still be open?’ Shamefully we now learn that Saddam’s torture chambers reopened under new management, U.S. management."
Bush = Saddam? Who is this drunken b*****d kidding?

These were about 12+/- soldiers who shouldn’t have been where they were and will be crakin’ rocks at Leavenworth for all the danger they put their fellows under.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 7:20:05 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is sickening.

Comparing a few over-hyped photoes to the deliberate murder and real torture of millions for his own (or Kerry's) gain is over the top -- even for a piece of offal like Ted Kennedy.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 05/10/2004 19:32 Comments || Top||

#2  No, CrazyFool, it's become his stock & trade. The 'Iraq is Bush's Vietnam' tirade was just the warmup act. I wish the real JFK was around to give Teddy a monster bitch slap, though.
Posted by: Raj || 05/10/2004 20:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Per the LLL model, the guilt-ridden gin-soaked sod Kennedy projects his apropos self-loathing onto others. It is accurate to say that more people suffered far greater injury and insult, ending in death, in an Oldsmobile in Chappaquiddick under the direction of a drunken and criminally derelict Teddy Kennedy than has been proven against US Military personnel in Iraqi Prisons. Perhaps he should be cracking rocks alongside those convicted of abuse. Perhaps he should've met Reddy Kilowatt long long ago.
Posted by: .com || 05/10/2004 20:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Surely this is the moment when the hype of the scandal has burst itself from overinflation.
Posted by: someone || 05/10/2004 20:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Unfortunately Teddy gets press and his comments will be broadcast by the leftist media and many Americans out there will believe him. This entire political season has gotten out of hand. In the quest for the white house the dims will resort to anything including denigrating the military and the US. They are showing by their words they do not care about our nation. Their power is first and foremost. But, again, unfortunately, many out there will believe them and vote with them.
Posted by: AF Lady || 05/10/2004 20:43 Comments || Top||

#6  I for one would like to order Ted a bourbon with a chaser of STFU.

Will anyone stand up to the Drunken Master? Ted Stevens (or is it Stephens?) from Alaska has been known to get into it with the Kennatee on the floor of the Senate. I'd like to see it, and soon.
Posted by: eLarson || 05/10/2004 21:10 Comments || Top||

#7  Is there something that members of the general public can do in the form of harassment to try to get him to have a stroke? Can we send him X-mas cheese samplers all year round or send him an aquarium with Barbie and one of her pink autos submerged in it? Adding several of the liquor sampler bottles from the airline stewardess' cart might be a nice touch.
Posted by: Super Hose || 05/10/2004 22:41 Comments || Top||

#8  Ted Kennedy is trying hard to replace Robert Byrd as the most blatant self-parody in the Senate. Too bad for these bloviators that vaudeville is dead.
Posted by: RWV || 05/10/2004 22:49 Comments || Top||


Bush Says U.S. Owes Rumsfeld ’Debt of Gratitude’
President Bush strongly backed Donald Rumsfeld on Monday and said the nation owed him a debt of gratitude, countering calls by some Democrats for the defense secretary to resign over his handling of the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal. After a meeting with Rumsfeld, military leaders and other top administration officials at the Pentagon, Bush told Rumsfeld, "Thank you for your leadership. You are courageously leading our nation in the war against terror." "You’re doing a superb job. You’re a strong secretary of defense and our nation owes you a debt of gratitude," Bush said.
That’s settled. Let’s get back to the war.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 05/10/2004 1:19:10 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  thoughts

1. Dubya knows more than we do, and is on secure ground on this - he knows nothing much worse will come out, and he knows where in the chain it stops, and he knows Rummy is not negligent. If so, then good
2.Gnawing worry A. Dubya, doesnt know the above, and is digging the hole deeper. Perhaps he knows how politically damaging tossing Rummy would be, and is putting keeping the base over strategic concerns
3. Gnawing worry B. Dubya is commited to Rummy, but will toss Wolfie and Feith, who arent as personally popular with the base, but are disliked by the left, by the Euros,by Powell and by the army. This goes along with giving up on democratization in Iraq, and going with a pro-US authoritarian regime as the best fallback
4. Hopeful thought - Dubya may not know the details of Rummys negligence, but hes got intell that this isnt hurting on the ground in Iraq and the Arab street as much as some think.
5.More realistic thought - Nothing in the above article reads as an absolute commitment to Rummy. Dubya has left himself plenty of wiggle room. If more comes out, he can evaluate that and act then. Conclusion - Dubya far smarter than left makes out.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 05/10/2004 14:34 Comments || Top||

#2  My reading is that GWB will not dump any senior officials in the Pentagon. They are responsible for setting broad policy, not handling petty abuses. The media and the left may be up in arms about it, but I doubt GWB really thinks that these incidents are anything more than a footnote to the Iraqi campaign. He is putting out all these mea culpas to retain the votes of liberals who are hawkish but too squeamish to accept the idea of using torture to extract information.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 05/10/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||


New York, Washington Declared Muslim Holy Cities
Scrappleface
In a move designed to prevent future enemy attacks, the city councils of Washington D.C. and New York City today unanimously approved resolutions declaring both metropolitan areas "Muslim holy cities like Najaf, Kufa and Karbala in Iraq."

The idea for the designation came after weeks of media reports indicating that U.S.-led Coalition forces are reluctant to arrest or retaliate against alleged-murderer and militant Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr because he hides in Najaf, a Muslim holy city.

"If we had realized that being a Muslim holy city puts you off limits for attack, 9/11 would never have happened," said the city councils in a rare joint-resolution. "We encourage other major American cities to follow our example and change their official designations from ’soft target’ to ’Muslim holy city’."
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 05/10/2004 10:11:50 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's outrageous. Now they are going to want us to wear one of those burpas.
Posted by: Jennifer || 05/10/2004 11:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Jennifer. This is satire. It's Scrappleface.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 05/10/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah. And you may even have to wear one of those burkas too...
Posted by: steved || 05/10/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Would this apply to all Four Bouroughs of New York and the area inside the Beltway of Washington DC?
Posted by: TomAnon || 05/10/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#5  Only Muslims are allowed to blow up stuff in Islamic Holy Cities, so such a move would be submission.
Posted by: ruprecht || 05/10/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#6  "...so such a move would be submission."

Not to mention a violation of the Equal Opportunity laws.
Posted by: Old Grouch || 05/10/2004 20:05 Comments || Top||

#7  The fact that so many people take Scrappleface initially seriously shows that there is nothing that is unbelievable in regards to the people we are fighting.
Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||

#8  Or it could be that Jennifer was being exquisitely sarcastic and adding a deft satirical touch of her own...
Posted by: .com || 05/10/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#9  I just had a burpa - does that make me a convert?
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 21:00 Comments || Top||

#10  TomAnon,

Did you really mean to leave out Staten Island?

On second thought, you did.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 05/10/2004 21:34 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
In Payatas (Philippines) they voted in toilets
You can’t make this up. EFL.
Four toilets in an elementary school in Payatas were used as polling precincts Monday for lack of classrooms. Marivic Panganiban, the principal of Payatas A. Elementary School, said it was the third time the toilets, each having an area of 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 meters, were used as polling areas. Each accommodates six voters. “We have no choice, because we don’t have enough space,” Panganiban said. The school also has no open spaces for the construction of temporary precincts. Payatas voters would not have used the four toilets at the Mathay Building had the Quezon City government finished the construction of the four-story Belmonte Building on time. “It should have been completed after six to eight months, but over a year now since it started, construction is still going on,” she said.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 05/10/2004 7:26:49 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Pull funds from US, Mahathir urges Arabs
Malaysia’s just-retired prime minister has not lost his taste for cooking up controversial views. Now Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad is calling on Arabs and Muslims to withdraw their US-dollar deposits from the United States, and to use oil as a weapon against the world’s only superpower. He said Palestinians and other groups should cease suicide bombings as this method of attack has only brought about world anger and stronger retaliation from Israel in the disputed territories. In an interview with Mingguan Malaysia, the Sunday edition of the biggest-selling newspaper Utusan Malaysia, Tun Mahathir also charged that President George W. Bush of the US and his challenger John Kerry would not dare to stand up against Israel for fear of losing political ground.

Asked how the Muslim world could gain a more sympathetic ear from the US government, he said: ’We have other means to fight them rather than attacking them blindly, but we didn’t want to use them. I have spoken about using oil as a weapon. Apart from that, the Arabs keep a lot of money in the US. If we pull out the money, the US can immediately become bankrupt.’ This is believed to be the first time he has suggested Muslims withdraw their funds from the US as a tactic. ’If we use this strategy, I believe it will be more effective than tying a bomb to your body and blowing up people,’ said Tun Mahathir, who retired last October after 22 years in office.

His previous suggestion that Islamic oil-producing countries use oil as a bargaining chip had fallen on deaf ears in a divided Arab world. With Muslims angered by the United States’ strong support of Israel and its attack and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, Tun Mahathir had angered many by saying suicide bombers had not helped the Palestinian cause as they did not discriminate between killing soldiers and civilians. In the interview, Tun Mahathir also asked why Muslims should keep billions of their oil money in US dollars, and why global trade should be done only in that currency. Despite debts amounting to US$4 trillion (S$6.8 trillion), the US remains the richest country in the world due to these deposits, he said. ’Aren’t we stupid? The amount is not small as the oil-producing countries keep their petroleum money there,’ he said. He also said he did not think ’Bush or Kerry are brave enough to oppose Israel’ in the US presidential election campaign. Then, repeating what he said during one of his last speeches as premier to the Organisation of Islamic Countries, he said: ’This is why I say that Israel rules the world by proxy.’
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 05/10/2004 1:19:45 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Moonbat: "We have other means to fight them rather than attacking them blindly, but we didn’t want to use them. I have spoken about using oil as a weapon"

Fine, we'll use weapons as weapons....take the oil from our enemies, then you'll be a bunch of backwards 7th century numbskulls, seething and crying at your stupid plight. Drama queens, indeed
Posted by: Frank G || 05/10/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Muslims don't park their funds in the US because they like Americans, any more than Americans buy oil from Arab countries because we like them. Muslims buy real estate in the US because it is, unlike Europe, gaining population, which tends to boost real estate prices. They buy Treasury bonds because the US is a model of fiscal prudence compared to Europe, and has competitive yields. And they buy American stocks because American companies are a font of innovation - always at the forefront of their industries. If the US loses its edge, funds will flow out of the country. But even if that happens, the worst that will happen is that the US economy will end up looking a lot like Canada's economy, not the Muslim worlds' economies.

Mahathir (and all of Malaysia's rulers) have had a longstanding problem with economic illiteracy. When Malaysia and Singapore were formed out of what was formerly Malaya in 1965, both countries were at parity, economically. In 2001, Singapore's nominal GDP per capita was USD$20,847. And Malaysia's was - wait for it - USD$3,696.

I think Muslims should follow Mahathir's advice. It may do for Muslim investors what it did for Malaysia.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 05/10/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Article: Despite debts amounting to US$4 trillion (S$6.8 trillion), the US remains the richest country in the world due to these deposits, he said.

Much of this debt is held by domestic pension and mutual funds. Foreign central banks that hold US debt typically do so as a means of parking their US currency holdings in some liquid asset that generates income. Why are they keeping US dollar holdings? Because the alternative is to sell these US dollar holdings, which would decrease the international competitiveness of their goods with respect to the US. Foreigners don't buy US dollars because they like Americans - they buy them to keep their economies competitive.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 05/10/2004 12:01 Comments || Top||

#4  I say let them take their money out of our country. While they're at it...take their fellow countrymen as well.
Posted by: Val || 05/10/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#5  The best that can be said for Malaysia is that it's not Indonesia. A plague upon their houses (although they're so disease ridden, I'm not sure they would recognize it.)
Posted by: Random thoughts || 05/10/2004 13:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Someone clarify for me, please.

If all Muslims removed their holdings from America, wouldn't this make it infinitely easier to trace contributions and donations to the terrorist charities like Hamas?
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 20:28 Comments || Top||

#7  Zenster, you have some really gung ho, “pro-military” solutions, but I don’t recall you ever answering a central question that you have been repeatedly asked: How do you square your “kill them all, let God sort them out” rhetoric with your “Bush is a crook” rhetoric? Generally, when I ask you this question you just stop posting for awhile, but I really think inquiring minds would like to hear your answer to the question. I don't mean to be nosey, I was just born that way.
Posted by: Anonymous4788 || 05/10/2004 20:34 Comments || Top||

#8  Anonymous4788 was me.
Posted by: cingold || 05/10/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iraq & Red Cross
...The agency said arrests allegedly tended to follow a pattern. "Arresting authorities entered houses usually after dark, breaking down doors, waking up residents roughly, yelling orders, forcing family members into one room under military guard while searching the rest of the house and further breaking doors, cabinets and other property," the report said.
Sounds to me like a typical home bust, by a typically well trained police force here in the USA. My question is... SO WHAT?
Posted by: Lou || 05/10/2004 10:38:47 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hell - I bet this kind of stuff takes place weekly in Detroit, Watts, Washington DC and Houston everday too. Move along people, theres nothing to see here.

Notice how there hasn't been any public anger over this - only the media is getting its panties in a knot over this.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 05/10/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#2  The delegates saw in October how detainees at Abu Ghraib were kept "completely naked in totally empty concrete cells and in total darkness," the report said.

Isn't this ypical Solitary Confinement in just about any prison in the US?

"These methods of physical and psychological coercion were used by the military intelligence in a systematic way to gain confessions and extract information and other forms of cooperation from person who had been arrested in connection with suspected security offenses or deemed to have an 'intelligence value."'

Well what do you expect us to do swear at them? Ask nicely? Say Pretty Please with Sugar on it?

"Treatment often included pushing people around, insulting, taking aim with rifles, punching and kicking and striking with rifles."

Typical procedure for when the suspect resists. Has anyone not seen treatment this on a police shows like 'Cops'?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 05/10/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#3  oh brother.

Pretty quickly we will get to this point:

"He...he used sarcasm."

Posted by: Carl in N.H || 05/10/2004 16:55 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Another Bulgarian Doctor Indicted in Libya
Bulgarian doctor Anton Botev has been indicted for malpractice in Libya, the Foreign Ministry in Sofia said. The trial was instituted by relatives of one of Botev’s patients. The woman was clinically dead upon admission, April 26. She had twelve broken ribs and suffered pericardial and pulmonary haemorrhages. She died despite doctor’s efforts to revive her. At first, he had to appear in court as a witness. Botev hasn’t yet contacted Bulgarian envoys in Libya, according to information from the Bulgarian Embassy. However, the consul Sergey Yankov is planning to visit him, and receive more information about the incident.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 05/10/2004 1:59:31 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Culture Wars
Attendance Down for Anti-Gun Million Thousand Several Mom March
It was business as usual in the nation's capital on Sunday despite the presence of the anti-gun Million Mom March, which drew only 2,000 people, a fraction of the number expected to attend.
Snicker
Sponsors estimated 2,000, so it was prolly about 500, 490 of whom were bored stiff. The organizers called it a "success."
The rally was billed as the kickoff to the "Halt the Assault" tour, a nationwide campaign to renew the so-called "assault weapons" ban, which expires in September.
They are going to tour the US in a, surprise, surprise, pink bus.
The Million Mom March, which merged with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence in 2001, had expected as many as 5,000 people at its Capitol Hill gathering. About 2,000 attended, according to the Associated Press. As the event got under way Sunday, the crowd was more likely in the hundreds rather than the thousands. It was nowhere near the 500,000-750,000 people who reportedly attended the first anti-gun rally on Mother's Day in 2000. Several blocks away, several hundred supporters of the Second Amendment Sisters gathered for their own rally. Speakers stressed the need to guard their Second Amendment rights, especially during an election year. The race between President Bush and presumptive Democrat nominee John Kerry was a topic at both events. Volunteers from the Kerry campaign canvassed the Million Mom March looking for supporters. Many attendees donned "Women for Kerry" stickers.
Please do
While organizers of the Million Mom March said the crowd numbers alone shouldn't be used to judge the importance of their campaign, critics thought otherwise. John Michael Snyder, public affairs director of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, said voters sent politicians a strong message after Congress enacted the 1994 ban on semi-automatic firearms. He said that has played a role in the debate.
"When the Democratic party in congressional elections later that year lost control of the U.S. House of Representatives for the first times in 60 years, President Clinton, the most anti-gun chief executive in the history of the United States, admitted publicly that enactment of the ban was one of the major reasons for the astounding political defeat."
And why it'll never make it to President Bush's desk.
Posted by: Steve || 05/10/2004 11:08:08 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Would love to see the organizers' claims on how many attended the march. A common characteristic of the "activist" marches and rallies is to claim numbers two to ten times greater than the actual attendance and then have those inflated numbers show up in the mainstream press.
Posted by: Highlander || 05/10/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Interesting chronology:

1. 500,000-750,000 attendees in 2000
2. 9/11
3. 2,000 attendees this year

Amazing what a terrorist attack and a war will do for the sanity of the public, no?
Posted by: AzCat || 05/10/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#3  I told my wife that I could probably scrounge up 2,000 people in the US that thought a "Mother ship" is hiding behind the moon and telepathically controlling our leaders.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 05/10/2004 11:52 Comments || Top||

#4  You mean it's not? Darn...
Posted by: mojo || 05/10/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#5  It is mojo, YS is just kidding.

There's also a large hedgehog hiding out at Heathrow, and he's out to get me. ;)
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 05/10/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||

#6  I told my wife that I could probably scrounge up 2,000 people in the US that thought a "Mother ship" is hiding behind the moon and telepathically controlling our leaders.

That total would be minus the former Heaven's Gate cult members, right? :)
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/10/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Sounds like they were 998,000 moms short.
Maybe they had to wash their hair.
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#8  No Jen, they were all US moms. IF they had held the march in Europe, several million mothers would have showed up. A majority in burkas.
Posted by: Charles || 05/10/2004 13:01 Comments || Top||

#9  LOL Spiny Lawrence!
Posted by: Churchills Parrott || 05/10/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||

#10  There were only several hundred of the Second Amendment Sisters on hand at the counter protest. On its face this would seem to show that there are still a greater number of anti-gun women than there are those in favor. However the fact that the events were held on Mother's Day is a confounding factor. Now I'm not saying that the anti-gun crowd is less interested in celebrating the day at home with the family than the pro-gun group would be.

I'm just saying...
Posted by: eLarson || 05/10/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||

#11  I just wonder when they're going to rename the "march." I'm not holding my breath, though, on next year's "2,000 commie, anti-Constitutional March".
Posted by: BA || 05/10/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||


VDH: It’s Jimmy’s Fault
EFL. Hanson on a rant, but he makes some good points.
Imagine a different Nov. 4, 1979, in Tehran. Shortly after Iranian terrorists storm the American Embassy and take some 90 American hostages, President Carter announces that Islamic fundamentalism is not a legitimate response to the excess of the shah but a new and dangerous fascism that threatens all that liberal society holds dear. And then he issues an ultimatum to Tehran’s leaders: Release the captives or face a devastating military response.

What went wrong with the West--and with the United States in particular--when not just the classical but especially the recent antecedents to Sept. 11, from the Iranian hostage-taking to the attack on the USS Cole, were so clear? Though Americans in an election year, legitimately concerned about our war dead, may now be divided over the Iraqi occupation, polls nevertheless show a surprising consensus that the many precursors to the World Trade Center and Pentagon bombings were acts of war, not police matters. Roll the tape backward from the USS Cole in 2000, through the bombing of the U.S. embassies in East Africa in 1998 and the Khobar Towers in 1996, the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the destruction of the American Embassy and annex in Beirut in 1983, the mass murder of 241 U.S. Marine peacekeepers asleep in their Lebanese barracks that same year, and assorted kidnappings and gruesome murders of American citizens and diplomats (including TWA Flight 800, Pan Am 103, William R. Higgins, Leon Klinghoffer, Robert Dean Stethem and CIA operative William Francis Buckley), until we arrive at the Iranian hostage-taking of November 1979: That debacle is where we first saw the strange brew of Islamic fascism, autocracy and Middle East state terrorism--and failed to grasp its menace, condemn it and go to war against it.

But if we know how we failed to respond in the last three decades, do we yet grasp why we were so afraid to act decisively at these earlier junctures, which might have stopped the chain of events that would lead to the al Qaeda terrorist acts of Sept/ 11? Our failure was never due to a lack of the necessary wealth or military resources, but rather to a deeply ingrained assumption that we should not retaliate--a hesitancy al Qaeda perceives and plays upon.

Throughout this tragic quarter-century of appeasement, our response usually consisted of a stern lecture by a Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, or Bill Clinton about "never giving in to terrorist blackmail" and "not negotiating with terrorists." Even Mr. Reagan’s saber-rattling "You can run but not hide" did not preclude trading arms to the Iranian terrorists or abruptly abandoning Lebanon after the horrific Hezbollah attack.

In contrast, George W. Bush, impervious to such self-deception, has, in a mere 2 1/2 years, reversed the perilous course of a quarter-century. Since Sept. 11, he has removed the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, begun to challenge the Middle East through support for consensual government, isolated Yasser Arafat, pressured the Europeans on everything from anti-Semitism to their largesse to Hamas, removed American troops from Saudi Arabia, shut down fascistic Islamic "charities," scattered al Qaeda, turned Pakistan from a de facto foe to a scrutinized neutral, rounded up terrorists in the United States, pressured Libya, Iran and Pakistan to come clean on clandestine nuclear cheating, so far avoided another Sept. 11--and promises that he is not nearly done yet. If the Spanish example presages further terrorist attacks on European democracies at election time, at least Mr. Bush has made it clear that America--alone if need be--will neither appease nor ignore such killers but in fact finish the terrible war that they started.

As Jimmy Carter also proved in November 1979, one man really can make a difference.
Heavily EFL. Read the whole thing...
Posted by: RWV & Frank G || 05/10/2004 9:52:05 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lord above, I am so down with this it's pathetic!
And I've felt this way since 1979, also.
And yet Jimmuh Peanutbrain grandstands in public and even trash talks President Bush and the WOT with no shame whatsoever and there are Americans who will listen and agree with him...
What a world.
Not only did Carter not do anything about the Ayatollah, but he brokered that awful Camp David thing, too!
(Locking us into giving Egypt $2 billion no matter what, it seems.)
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#2  A tale of two sweaters.
Posted by: Lucky || 05/10/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||


Fools for Communism
EFL
In 1983 the Indiana University historian Robert F. Byrnes collected essays from 35 experts on the Soviet Union -- the cream of American academia -- in a book titled After Brezhnev. Their conclusion: Any U.S. thought of winning the Cold War was a pipe dream. "The Soviet Union is going to remain a stable state, with a very stable, conservative, immobile government," Byrnes said in an interview, summing up the book. "We don’t see any collapse or weakening of the Soviet system."

Barely six years later, the Soviet empire began falling apart. By 1991 it had vanished from the face of the earth. Did Professor Byrnes call a press conference to offer an apology for the collective stupidity of his colleagues, or for his part in recording it? Did he edit a new work titled Gosh, We Didn’t Know Our Ass From Our Elbow? Hardly. Being part of the American chattering class means never having to say you’re sorry.

Journalism, academia, policy wonkery: They all maintain well-oiled Orwellian memory holes, into which errors vanish without a trace. Stern pronouncements are hurled down like thunderbolts from Zeus, and, like Zeus, their authors are totally unaccountable to mere human beings. Time’s Strobe Talbott decreed in 1982 that it was "wishful thinking to predict that international Communism some day will either self-destruct or so exhaust itself in internecine conflict that other nations will no longer be threatened." A Wall Street analyst who misjudged a stock so badly would find himself living under a bridge, if not sharing a cell with Martha Stewart. But Talbott instead became Bill Clinton’s deputy secretary of state, where he could apply his perspicacious geopolitical perceptual powers to Osama bin Laden.
...............

Posted by: tipper || 05/10/2004 1:08:01 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pardon my irreverence:

replace Journalism, academia, policy wonkery:

with:

Journalism, academia, policy wankery:
Posted by: badanov || 05/10/2004 1:17 Comments || Top||

#2  It is tragic in the extreme that America's captains of industry did not step forward during the Vietnam era and make clear for once and all the right and proper reasons why free market capitalism is the only functional economic system this world has ever seen.

That the United States then went on to prove how Yankee wage slaves were the only ones who could safely return an astronaut from a lunar landing was a critical high water mark for our nation's economic and political ascendancy. It is difficult to imagine another single program that has spun off so many vital commercial and military technology applications.

The mind-death philosophical masturbation that has spewn from our academic institutions is not just an enduring embarassment, it has directly contributed to the stunning degree of prevailing ignorance that continues to cripple America's technological might.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/10/2004 1:43 Comments || Top||

#3  "It is tragic in the extreme that America's captains of industry did not step forward during the Vietnam era and make clear for once and all the right and proper reasons why free market capitalism is the only functional economic system this world has ever seen."
What are you talking about, ZucchiniStick?
If anyone came forward to stand up for free market capitalism and democracy it was the United States of America, backed by her "captains of industry," by fighting the good fight for a democratic Vietnam during the "Vietnam era."
We lost almost 60,000 men over 12 years trying to keep Vietnam free from Communism.
And while we may have "lost" the war, we stopped Communism from spreading to most of South East Asia and the Pacific, places like India and Thailand.

Where do you get these scrambled ideas, Zabaglione for brains?
Betcha you're a keeper at cocktail parties with your patter!
Posted by: Jen || 05/10/2004 2:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Sometimes you can stare them down Zenster.
Posted by: Fury one || 05/10/2004 7:23 Comments || Top||

#5 

"The Soviet Union is going to remain a stable state, with a very stable, conservative, immobile government" Robert F Byrnes and his associates proclaimed in 1983"

Posted by: BigEd || 05/10/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||



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